From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 05:37:27 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:37:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id FAA09894; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA00303; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:37:24 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id FAA16948; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:36:01 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA217696 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:34:36 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA07795 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:34:35 -0800 Received: from fuchur.x-networks.de (jb@www.x-networks.de [193.159.189.171]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA06848 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:34:30 -0800 Received: (from jb@localhost) by fuchur.x-networks.de (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) id eB1DafC13866; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:36:41 +0100 Message-Id: <200012011336.eB1DafC13866@fuchur.x-networks.de> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:36:41 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joern Bredereck To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: (fwd) Accessing existing remote folder collection X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I want to access my IMAP-Folder-Collection on my IMAP-Server with Pine4.30. In fact I can access my IMAP-Inbox, and I can create new remote folder collections on the IMAP server, but I want to access subfolders of my INBOX, which I created using Netscape Messenger or Outlook Express. How do I have to setup this? Whenn Adding a Folder-Collection, Pine tells me, that the Folder already exists and that it can't be created. Thats true, but in fact I don't want to create the Folder... I just want to access it. Any Ideas? Thanks! jb -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 09:01:25 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:01:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA28987; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA05180; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:01:23 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA44058; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:59:25 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA32744 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:57:58 -0800 Received: from wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.0.15]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA29930 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:57:54 -0800 Received: from shep.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.8.11] ident=exim) by wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.092 #1) id 141tVP-0006wR-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:57:51 +0000 Received: from rrt1001 by shep.cl.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.01 #1) id 141tVO-0000SY-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:57:50 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:57:46 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Reuben Thomas To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Problem saving to non-existent folders in 4.30 from INBOX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: Reuben Thomas X-To: X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I've just compiled and installed Pine 4.30 on my RedHat 6.2 Linux system. After I'd applied the patch to make it find my .pinerc file, it seemed to work fine. I've noticed one small problem, though: if I try to save a message from my inbox to a non-existent folder, nothing happens. Saving from another folder (e.g. sent-mail) works fine, creating the non-existent folder, and I can then save messages there from my INBOX as well. I'm pretty certain this used to work on 4.21. Just in case the above is not sufficiently clear: I use save by-fcc-of-from. When I get a message from Joe Bloggs (nickname bloggs), and press S for save, then I get offered [bloggs] as the default folder to save to. If this folder doesn't exist, and I press Return, nothing happens. If I save a message I've sent to Joe (from sent-mail to bloggs) it works correctly. I can then save messages from my INBOX as normal. -- http://sc3d.org/rrt/ | impatience, n. the urge to do nothing -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 16:30:30 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:30:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA25861; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA21815; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:30:26 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA08144; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:28:26 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA33644 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:26:51 -0800 Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA01008 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:26:50 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.201]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA06526 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:26:49 -0800 Received: from localhost (postmast@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA08819 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:26:49 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:26:49 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: subject on command line??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is there a way to specify a subject from the command line? Using the standard 'mail' command I can do: mail -s "This is a test" fred@foo.com < a_file what I'd *like* to do is something like: pine -subject "This is a test" fred@foo.com < a_file Is there any way I can do this? --Jeff ********************************************************************** * Jeffrey B. Holton jeff [at] jeffholton [dot] dyndns [dot] org * * http://www.slip.net/~holtonj * ********************************************************************** * "Voulez vous cliche avec moi?" * * --D. Holton * ********************************************************************** -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 23:01:08 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:01:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id XAA12861; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA03811; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:01:06 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id WAA38020; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:59:32 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA193084 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:58:35 -0800 Received: from home.daviel.org (IDENT:root@cr1001800-a.rchmd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.41.140]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA14111 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:58:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:andrew@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.daviel.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eB26wX721289 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:58:33 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:58:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Andrew Daviel To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: x.509 support ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is it possible somehow to view/generate x.509 certs in Pine ? I have filters to check/generate "classic" PGP certs as used by e.g. CERT but have recently got myself a Thawte personal certificate that works with Netscape. I wonderered if I could use it with Pine, which is my regular mail client. -- Andrew Daviel PGP id 0xC7624B49 http://huzizit.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 00:32:12 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:32:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id AAA10170; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA31612; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:32:10 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id AAA16970; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:27:09 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA285386 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:25:24 -0800 Received: from george.he.net (george.he.net [216.218.157.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA19631 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:25:24 -0800 Received: from corten5.wiliweld.com (adsl-63-193-247-201.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.247.201]) by george.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with ESMTP id AAA27558; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:25:23 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:23:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bill Schoolcraft To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Message-ID: editing ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: X-To: Pine Mailing List X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, is anyone aware of how I would enable PINE to add my operating systems ID to the Message-ID: ? Netscape shows "SunOS 5.8 i86pc" Pine shows the same OS as "Pine.GSO.4.30." Can I add another field to the headers from within Pine ? Thanks in advance. -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 "UNIX, A Way of Life !!!" -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 01:14:07 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:14:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id BAA31314; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA05972; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:14:05 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id BAA41978; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:10:17 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA25286 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:08:43 -0800 Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA22056 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:08:42 -0800 Received: from gnu.uvm.edu (gnu.uvm.edu [132.198.101.64]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA118990; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:08:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (ashawley@localhost) by gnu.uvm.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA179348; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:08:41 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:08:40 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Aaron S. Hawley" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message-ID: editing ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bill Schoolcraft X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: gnu.uvm.edu: ashawley owned process doing -bs X-Sender: ashawley@gnu.uvm.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN there's no chance of changing your message-id if you really want to let people know what OS your using in your header, customize it. related info: http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/config.html#cust-hdr On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Bill Schoolcraft wrote: > Hello, is anyone aware of how I would enable PINE to add my > operating systems ID to the Message-ID: ? > > Netscape shows "SunOS 5.8 i86pc" > > Pine shows the same OS as "Pine.GSO.4.30." > > Can I add another field to the headers from within Pine ? Thanks in > advance. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 03:55:31 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:55:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id DAA09515; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA08840; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:55:28 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id DAA44804; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:54:06 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA216150 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:53:20 -0800 Received: from porgy.srv.nld.sonera.net (porgy.srv.nld.sonera.net [195.66.15.137]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA26070 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:53:19 -0800 Received: from qn-212-127-150-141.quicknet.nl ([212.127.150.141]:1254 "EHLO rotterdam.quicknet.nl") by soneramail.nl with ESMTP id ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:53:05 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:47:03 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ralph Slooten To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Archiving option & editing question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I am just wondering if Pine has an option to automatically delete or archive messages in a certain folder? I have looked, but may have overlooked something. What I am meaning is a filter or something that can be configured to let's say: "Move all messages older than 14 days from folder Linux/Pine to folder Linux/Archive/Pine". Another question is, when editing a message, Pine neatly goes to the next line after let's say 75 characters, however If I add something afterwards in between, and the line overshoots it's boundaries, it tends to really mess up the layout. An example would be like this: ----------------------------------------------- (missing the word "wondering) I am just if pine has an option to automatically delete or archive messages in a certain folder? Corrected, this would then look like: I am just wondering if pine has an option to automatically delete or archive messages in a certain folder? ------------------------------------------------ Is there a way to overcome this without having to edit each line in the same paragraph, other than not make such stupid mistakes :-) ? Any suggestions would be appreciated :-) Ralph -- ---------------------------------------- | ICQ: 25543458 | | Email: ralph.slooten@quicknet.nl | | Homepage: http://www.axllent.cjb.net | ---------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 04:33:28 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:33:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id EAA24900; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA03542; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:33:26 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id EAA08520; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:32:07 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA75432 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:31:26 -0800 Received: from fuchur.x-networks.de (root@www.x-networks.de [193.159.189.171]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA00639 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:31:24 -0800 Received: from [212.185.170.140] (goofy [212.185.170.140]) by fuchur.x-networks.de (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id eB2CXYH02079; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:33:34 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:31:14 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joern Bredereck To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Archiving option & editing question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ralph Slooten X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: jb@goofy.comport.de X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi Ralph, On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote: > Another question is, when editing a message, Pine neatly goes to the next > line after let's say 75 characters, however If I add something afterwards > in between, and the line overshoots it's boundaries, it tends to really mess > up the layout. An example would be like this: > ----------------------------------------------- > (missing the word "wondering) > I am just if pine has an option to automatically delete or archive messages > in a certain folder? > > Corrected, this would then look like: > > I am just wondering if pine has an option to automatically delete or > archive messages > in a certain folder? > ------------------------------------------------ > Is there a way to overcome this without having to edit each line in the > same paragraph, other than not make such stupid mistakes :-) ? just move the cursor to any line of the paragraph and press CTRL+J. Pico will automaticly relayout the whole paragraph. Ciao, jb From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 04:46:54 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:46:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id EAA26684; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA03750; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:46:51 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id EAA36514; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:45:31 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA216286 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:44:47 -0800 Received: from porgy.srv.nld.sonera.net (porgy.srv.nld.sonera.net [195.66.15.137]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA01145 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:44:45 -0800 Received: from qn-212-127-150-141.quicknet.nl ([212.127.150.141]:1334 "EHLO rotterdam.quicknet.nl") by soneramail.nl with ESMTP id ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:44:38 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:38:38 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ralph Slooten To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Archiving option & editing question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Joern Bredereck X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Many thanks, works like a charm :-) That is the editing part of the question :-) Ralph -- ---------------------------------------- | ICQ: 25543458 | | Email: ralph.slooten@quicknet.nl | | Homepage: http://www.axllent.cjb.net | ---------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 07:37:16 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:37:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id HAA10113; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA12444; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:37:13 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA10578; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:35:31 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA339244 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:34:17 -0800 Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.9.7]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA10185 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:34:16 -0800 Received: from salomon.mario.net (sppp210.Stud-PPP.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.79.210]) by Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA59158 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:34:13 +0100 Received: from localhost (mario@localhost) by salomon.mario.net (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id eB2FXww24351 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:33:58 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:33:58 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: Mario Kratzer Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mario Kratzer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Archiving option In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Authentication-Warning: salomon.mario.net: mario owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello everyone, take a look at the "incoming-archive-folders" and the "auto-move-read-msgs" features under the setup/configure screen - these might do what You're looking for. You can specify pairs of folders where the second one is the "archive" for the first one. Look at the context-dependent help of these features. Just feel free to ask any more q.s. regards, Mario From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 16:08:25 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:08:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA32078; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA20435; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:08:23 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA16094; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:06:21 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA285292 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:05:09 -0800 Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.9.7]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA11584 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:05:08 -0800 Received: from salomon.mario.net (sppp223.Stud-PPP.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.79.223]) by Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA47792 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:05:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (mario@localhost) by salomon.mario.net (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id eB304ck03120 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:04:38 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:04:38 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: Mario Kratzer Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mario Kratzer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: URL viewer not configurable? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine-Info X-Authentication-Warning: salomon.mario.net: mario owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello everyone, I'm not a fan of lynx so I decided to usw another browser for the direct URL viewing with Pine. But I couldn't tell Pin to permanently use w3m (temporary setting it from the menu with "editApp" works very well with the string w3m __URL__ ). Is this a bug? regards, Mario -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 03:36:03 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:36:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id DAA00739; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA31574; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:36:01 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id DAA36212; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:34:36 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA81194 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:32:53 -0800 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (host156.207-175-42.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA13594 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:32:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB3BWpo03275 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:32:51 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:32:51 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PINE and mbox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN When a user runs pine with an mbox, pine moves all mail in /var/spool/mail to the inbox. This behavior is not desireable, especially for users tat use PINE locally, as well as using another MUA remotely via POP/IMAP. Is there an easy way to disable this misfeature? Would disabling it in the source have any negative effects for users? Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox based merely on mbox's existance? -- Mike A. Harris Mailing address: OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave. Red Hat Inc. Sault Ste. Marie, (705)949-2136 Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 03:36:44 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:36:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id DAA17755; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA31586; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:36:42 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id DAA40066; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:35:45 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA93148 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:34:36 -0800 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (host156.207-175-42.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA26586 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:34:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB3BYXQ03295; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:34:33 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:34:33 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: URL viewer not configurable? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mario Kratzer X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mario Kratzer wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I'm not a fan of lynx so I decided to usw another browser for the direct URL >viewing with Pine. But I couldn't tell Pin to permanently use w3m (temporary >setting it from the menu with "editApp" works very well with the string >w3m __URL__ ). > >Is this a bug? Put the _full_ path to the executable in there. I use "links instead of lynx, and it works fine. -- Mike A. Harris Mailing address: OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave. Red Hat Inc. Sault Ste. Marie, (705)949-2136 Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 07:31:55 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id HAA20951; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA03332; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:31:53 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA25650; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:29:38 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA338524 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:28:41 -0800 Received: from usceast.cs.sc.edu (usceast.cs.sc.edu [129.252.11.9]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA04983 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:28:41 -0800 Received: from pollux.cs.sc.edu (pollux.cs.sc.edu [129.252.130.113]) by usceast.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA69929 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (gopalan@localhost) by pollux.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24644 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:28:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:28:35 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: pollux.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote: > When a user runs pine with an mbox, pine moves all mail in > /var/spool/mail to the inbox. This behavior is not desireable, > especially for users tat use PINE locally, as well as using > another MUA remotely via POP/IMAP. > > Is there an easy way to disable this misfeature? Please read the following thread, especially Msg 5 by Eduardo Chappa: http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/viewthread.xp?AN=661001917%26group=comp.mail.pine -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cse.sc.edu http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 09:26:42 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:26:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA16781; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA31618; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:26:39 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA08686; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:24:33 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA208240; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:23:27 -0800 Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA30181; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:23:26 -0800 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.worldonline.nl [194.151.128.14]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 5726A36B04; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:23:05 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:23:24 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: HTML? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum , pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu, PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu, pine@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN If you view an HTML message in pine it will not convert it to ASCII. This applies both to READ and to FORWARD. However, if you you REPLY to the msg, the quoting of the HTML will convert. Why is this? Bruce Cohen -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 16:35:32 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA16115; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA06528; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:35:30 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA19254; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:33:30 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA25108 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:31:25 -0800 Received: from ns1.syntegra.com (ns1.syntegra.com [150.143.16.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA26069 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:31:24 -0800 Received: from [129.179.17.10] by ns1.cdc.com with ESMTP; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:31:15 -0600 Received: from misty.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:31:11 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:30:23 +0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Ed Greshko" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Mike A. Harris" X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Mike, To answer one of your questions.... > Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox > based merely on mbox's existance? Because some systems have a quotas set in the directory were users' inboxes are located. Ed From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 16:44:19 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:44:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA27664; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA06664; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:44:17 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA13124; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:42:32 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA278288 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:41:37 -0800 Received: from vger.timpanogas.org (IDENT:root@vger.timpanogas.org [207.109.151.240]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA26960 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:41:37 -0800 Received: from asdf.capslock.lan (SSMarie-ppp129022.sympatico.ca [209.226.190.141]) by vger.timpanogas.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24930; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:37:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by asdf.capslock.lan (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB40fld21700; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:41:48 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:41:46 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ed Greshko X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: asdf.capslock.lan: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Ed Greshko wrote: >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:30:23 +0800 >From: Ed Greshko >To: Pine Discussion Forum >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Subject: RE: PINE and mbox > >Mike, > >To answer one of your questions.... > >> Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox >> based merely on mbox's existance? > >Because some systems have a quotas set in the directory were >users' inboxes are located. Fair enough. Why would someone without a quota want this? In other words, how does one enable disable it selectively? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Open source advocate This message is copyright 2000, all rights reserved. Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Favorite quotes of Linus Torvalds - Sept 6, 2000] I'm a bastard. I have absolutely no clue why people can ever think otherwise. Yet they do. People think I'm a nice guy, and the fact is that I'm a scheming, conniving bastard who doesn't care for any hurt feelings or lost hours of work if it just results in what I consider to be a better system. And I'm not just saying that. I'm really not a very nice person. I can say "I don't care" with a straight face, and really mean it. -- Linus Torvalds on linux-kernel mailing list From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 16:48:52 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:48:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA19941; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA12182; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:48:50 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA20476; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:46:34 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA141106 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:45:43 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA26844 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:45:43 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA104335; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:45:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:45:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Ed Greshko X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Ed Greshko (edward.m.greshko@syntegra.com) wrote in the pine-info list.= =2E.: :) > Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox :) > based merely on mbox's existance? :) :) Because some systems have a quotas set in the directory were users' :) inboxes are located. That's understandable, however it strikes me that in some aspects Pine does not change its defaults because it does not want to confuse the user, even if it were in the convenience of him/her, but in some others it does and it confuses everyone. In my personal opinion if there was consistency in policy the mbox driver should be disabled by default, now it's too late.=98 --=20 Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 16:49:43 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:49:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA31325; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA06787; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:49:38 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA21922; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:48:47 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA73300 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:48:00 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA27348 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:48:00 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA80098; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:47:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:47:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Mike A. Harris" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Mike A. Harris (mharris@opensourceadvocate.org) wrote in the pine-info...: :) Fair enough. Why would someone without a quota want this? :) In other words, how does one enable disable it selectively? Gopi pointed out a link which answers your question. Read the whole thread. If after following those directions you still have problems, please let us know what failed. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 17:38:01 2000 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:38:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA05672; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:38:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA07606; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:37:59 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA10714; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:32:36 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA44194 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:31:55 -0800 Received: from ns1.syntegra.com (ns1.syntegra.com [150.143.16.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA05560 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:31:54 -0800 Received: from [129.179.17.10] by ns1.cdc.com with ESMTP; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:31:12 -0600 Received: from misty.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:31:00 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:30:11 +0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Ed Greshko" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-To: "Eduardo Chappa" X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Eduardo, > :) > Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox > :) > based merely on mbox's existance? > :) > :) Because some systems have a quotas set in the directory were users' > :) inboxes are located. > > That's understandable, however it strikes me that in some aspects Pine > does not change its defaults because it does not want to confuse the user, > even if it were in the convenience of him/her, but in some others it does > and it confuses everyone. In my personal opinion if there was consistency > in policy the mbox driver should be disabled by default, now it's too > late.˜ For as long as I can remember it has been the behavior of pine that the existance of a mbox file in the home directory resulted in moving mails from the inbox to mbox. I believe this behavior has been documented. One "can" argue that the mbox driver is disabled by default since it is unlikely that a user will have an mbox file in their home directory unless they intend to use the feature. I believe that you are right in stating that new releases of pine do not, in general, change default settings so as not to confuse the end-user. However, sometimes things do change which may or may not cause confusion depending on the end-user. Pine, of course, has hundreds of thousands end-users. I believe it strives to satisfy the needs of the "majority" with an occasional slant towards "best practice" and "wage payers". However, as long as the development team puts up a "README.first" or "CHANGES" to highlight the differences they have done their job. If I don't read these documents, and I often don't, I need not look further than the mirror to find the problem. Ed From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:59:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA17648; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA13347; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:58:57 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA18620; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:57:02 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA130230 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:56:27 -0800 Received: from vger.timpanogas.org (IDENT:root@vger.timpanogas.org [207.109.151.240]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA14557 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:56:27 -0800 Received: from asdf.capslock.lan (SSMarie-ppp111116.sympatico.ca [216.209.120.15]) by vger.timpanogas.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25224; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:52:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by asdf.capslock.lan (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB40p3V21734; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:52:24 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:51:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bruce Cohen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: asdf.capslock.lan: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote: >Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:23:24 +0100 (MET) >From: Bruce Cohen >To: Pine Discussion Forum >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: HTML? > >If you view an HTML message in pine it will not convert it to ASCII. >This applies both to READ and to FORWARD. PINE converts messages in HTML to ASCII just fine. >However, if you you REPLY to the msg, the quoting of the HTML will >convert. > >Why is this? You must be using an old version of PINE, or missed something in the Setup screen.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Open source advocate This message is copyright 2000, all rights reserved. Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Press every key to continue. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:27:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id SAA05279; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA13878; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:27:00 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id SAA17248; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:24:03 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA361138 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:23:28 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA02272 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:23:27 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA63016; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:23:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:23:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ed Greshko X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Ed Greshko (edward.m.greshko@syntegra.com) wrote on Dec 4, 2000: :) For as long as I can remember it has been the behavior of pine that :) the existance of a mbox file in the home directory resulted in :) moving mails from the inbox to mbox. I believe this behavior has :) been documented. One "can" argue that the mbox driver is disabled :) by default since it is unlikely that a user will have an mbox file :) in their home directory unless they intend to use the feature. Actually, as long as I can remember, I remember the opposite. I admit I may be wrong though. My advisor before he moved from "mail" to "pine" had a huge "mbox" file. I have serious reasons to believe that in the beginning mail was not moved from the server to the mbox file, because otherwise he would have noticed that, so I believe that actually moving mail from the server to the mbox file is not something that old. Of course the driver may be old, but the default behavior of using it instead of your server I believe is not that old. :) However, as long as the development team puts up a "README.first" or :) "CHANGES" to highlight the differences they have done their job. :) If I don't read these documents, and I often don't, I need not look :) further than the mirror to find the problem. I found this information in: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/old/pine4.01.RelNotes Regarding mail disappearing from the system spool directory: Beginning with Pine 4.00 (but also with earlier versions of the University of Washington's imapd server), a new INBOX access method is available as part of the standard configuration. It is called the "mbox" driver and it works like this: If the file "mbox" exists in the user's home directory, and is in Unix mailbox format, then when INBOX is opened this file will be selected as INBOX instead of the mail spool file. Messages will be automatically transferred from the mail spool file into the mbox file. Beginning with Pine 4.01, a message is displayed whenever Pine copies messages from the system mail spool directory to the mbox file. [...] To disable this behavior, either remove/rename the "mbox" file or find the "disable-these-drivers=" variable in your Pine configuration file and add "mbox" to it. You must manually edit the config file so that you see the following: disable-these-drivers=mbox (I apologize for the long quote) This makes me believe that Pine has not always behaved in the same way about this driver. What seems to be the case, as I understand here is that the use of the mbox driver as an INBOX access method is new. Not the driver itself. My point was that Pine never changes without a configuration option that you can set after having compiled it, so it's surprising to see this new behavior, and make it the default (in another words, I would have expected to see a new variable enable-these-extra-drivers or something of that sort) Finally, I believe there is a bug in Pine with respect to this feature, which I tested in a clean version of pine4.30.99, with the imapd server of the same version. I followed the following steps: - create an empty "mbox" file (touch mbox). - edit .pinerc and add the value "mbox" to your disable-these-drivers variable, it should look like this: disable-these-drivers=mbox - start pine with some message in your inbox - cat mbox (in another screen) The result is that "mbox" contains the message that I had in my inbox, whose path points out to the server. In another words, the message was moved. This is a bug, because mbox should have been empty at the end of the test. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:00:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id TAA00866; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA09896; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:59:58 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id TAA33344; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:56:45 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA347076 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:55:58 -0800 Received: from ns1.syntegra.com (ns1.syntegra.com [150.143.16.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA17776 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:55:57 -0800 Received: from [129.179.17.10] by ns1.cdc.com with ESMTP; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:55:52 -0600 Received: from misty.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:55:45 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:54:58 +0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Ed Greshko" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Eduardo Chappa" X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Eduardo, > (I apologize for the long quote) No problem..... > This makes me believe that Pine has not always behaved in the same way > about this driver. I've been using Pine since the 3.9X days (or was it really 3.8X???) and I feel it has always acted this way. I've long since removed 3.9X stuff from my systems so I can't go back and check...and it really doesn't matter in any case. I think what you would like to see is YAP (Yet Another Parameter) in pine. Since there isn't any existing parameter and since the behavior of the feature is documented it would seem that a YAP doesn't seem warranted when you consider that it may confuse even more people. Sounds like another good debate for the developers. > Finally, I believe there is a bug in Pine with respect to this feature, > which I tested in a clean version of pine4.30.99, with the imapd server of > the same version. I followed the following steps: If pine4.30.99 is a beta for pine4.31 then there is a good chance you can report and get the bug fixed before it goes into production. Ed From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:34:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id UAA32441; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA10496; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:34:24 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id UAA36168; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:32:46 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA194666 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:31:52 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA27576 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:31:51 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA88394; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:31:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:31:35 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Ed Greshko , Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Mark Crispin (MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote today: :) > The result is that "mbox" contains the message that I had in my inbox, :) > whose path points out to the server. In another words, the message was :) > moved. This is a bug, because mbox should have been empty at the end of :) > the test. :) :) disable-these-drivers only affects Pine behavior on local files. It has no :) effect upon IMAP sessions. Why is that? I personally think this should also be able to be done through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't know them. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:10:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id DAA14535; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA17523; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:10:40 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id DAA38740; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:09:13 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA338586 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:07:55 -0800 Received: from legolas.mdh.se (cel95eig@legolas.mdh.se [130.243.77.20]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA19845 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:07:54 -0800 Received: by legolas.mdh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03319; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:07:49 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:07:48 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Emil Isberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: cel95eig@mds.mdh.se X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote: >*** Mark Crispin (MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote today: >:) > The result is that "mbox" contains the message that I had in my inbox, >:) > whose path points out to the server. In another words, the message was >:) > moved. This is a bug, because mbox should have been empty at the end of >:) > the test. >:) >:) disable-these-drivers only affects Pine behavior on local files. It has no >:) effect upon IMAP sessions. >Why is that? I personally think this should also be able to be done >through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't >know them. Since wu-imapd/ipop3d doesn't have a configuration file it's very hard to specify it... Perhaps add another commandline argument. Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it... (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.) -- Beauty and harmony are as necessary to you as the very breath of life. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:51:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id FAA00573; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA20454; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:51:30 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id FAA22584; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:49:35 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA107214 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:48:13 -0800 Received: from gamma.dou.dk (gamma.dou.dk [130.225.130.7]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA29026 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:48:11 -0800 Received: from lars.dou.dk (lars.dou.dk [130.225.156.249]) by gamma.dou.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13235 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:48:08 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:48:08 +0100 (DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Lars Scheffmann To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: LDAP Version 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: scheffma@mail.dou.dk X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN In the documentation for "Building and Installing" Pine, it says "Pine uses LDAPv2 protocol. When using LDAPv3 protocol, the results are returned in the utf8 character set. Pine is not yet ready to deal with that, so it tells the server to use the LDAPv2 protocol." When will Pine and PC-Pine be ready for LDAPv3, so we can use Netscape SDK and use our national characters, which are very widespread and common here in Europe? Regards Lars Scheffmann, Network Adm. E-Mail: scheffmann@dou.sdu.dk Dept. of Academic Inf. Technology Phone: +45 6550 1000 ext.2867 DOU, Odense University Direct: +45 6550 2867 Campusvej 55, 5230 Odense M Fax: +45 6550 2860 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:41:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA03025; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA21475; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:41:42 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id GAA41222; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:40:04 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA216108 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:38:55 -0800 Received: from localhost.edlund.org (m96.ryd.student.liu.se [130.236.214.96]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA21313 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:38:54 -0800 Received: by localhost.edlund.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 0F86B4113A; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:38:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.edlund.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D68F41139; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:38:50 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:38:50 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Henrik Edlund To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: LDAP Version 3 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Lars Scheffmann X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Lars Scheffmann wrote: > > In the documentation for "Building and Installing" Pine, it says > > "Pine uses LDAPv2 protocol. When using LDAPv3 protocol, the results are > returned in the utf8 character set. Pine is not yet ready to deal with > that, so it tells the server to use the LDAPv2 protocol." > > When will Pine and PC-Pine be ready for LDAPv3, so we can use Netscape > SDK and use our national characters, which are very widespread and > common here in Europe? It works very well to use national characters (those part of Latin 1) with v2. I can use the three national Swedish characters, and as you are from Denmark it should wotk for you as well. -- Henrik Edlund (HE2914-RIPE) http://www.edlund.org/ "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes." Leia Organa of Alderaan, Senator From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:41:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id HAA31856; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA28112; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:41:05 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA16848; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:38:57 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA304036 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:37:54 -0800 Received: from gort.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA28855 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:37:53 -0800 Received: from DBPETE ([10.2.107.81]) by gort.office.aol.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA02976; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:37:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:38:02 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Dan Peterson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Cc: "Mike A. Harris" X-X-Sender: pete@gort.office.aol.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote: > > >If you view an HTML message in pine it will not convert it to ASCII. > >This applies both to READ and to FORWARD. > > PINE converts messages in HTML to ASCII just fine. PINE only converts HTML messages that are marked as HTML... in other words, messages with a Content-Type of "text/html". This is probably the "correct" approach, but not necessarily the most "user-friendly" approach. Other mail programs (IE, Netscape) are able to view HTML messages even if there's no Content-Type header. It used to be I would only see poorly formed messages (eg HTML message, but no Content-Type header), with SPAM mail. Now, I'm seeing it more and more with official company mail... mail I'm supposed to read. I hate to admit it, but I've contemplated moving to Netscape to read my mail, just to get around this problem. I haven't got there yet, but it has crossed my mind. :-( I don't think I completely disagree with the strictness of PINE's (apparent) approach, but I for one would like to see a setup flag that says it should be a bit more lenient in it's interpretation of what constitutes a message in HTML format. Alternatively, some kind of key sequence in the viewer that switches between interpreting HTML and viewing raw text... something similar to the way the headers are turned on/off with the "H" command. I actually did a little code hacking and made "^H" flip between forcing HTML interpretation and no interpretation. But, since I use PC-PINE, and don't have the source, I don't really get to use it. > >However, if you you REPLY to the msg, the quoting of the HTML will > >convert. > > > >Why is this? > > You must be using an old version of PINE, or missed something in > the Setup screen.. I haven't seen any problems with reply... well, I take that back, I've seen weird occasional problems where a message that originally had a Content-Type of "text/html", is converted to plain text when replying, but, the Content-Type remains as "text/html". This forces the message to be interpreted as HTML, but since all the HTML tags were removed, the messages is just one big un-formated block. Very annoying. This is basically the reverse of the problem above... something that's not really an HTML message is being interpreted as an HTML message. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:04:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA30431; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA28688; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:04:51 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA30428; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:03:19 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA148670 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:02:34 -0800 Received: from mailgate.hsc.unt.edu (mailgate.hsc.unt.edu [192.124.35.3]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA13348 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:02:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (fzhang@localhost) by mailgate.hsc.unt.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB4G2BD10613; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:02:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:02:11 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Zhang To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: subject on command line??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: jeff@jeffholton.dyndns.org X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: fzhang@mailgate X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Why don't you use "mailx" instead of "mail". Frank Zhang UNIX Systems Administrator University of North Texas Health Science Center Telephone: (817)735-2431 Email: fzhang@hsc.unt.edu On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 jeff@jeffholton.dyndns.org wrote: > Is there a way to specify a subject from the command line? Using the > standard 'mail' command I can do: > > mail -s "This is a test" fred@foo.com < a_file > > what I'd *like* to do is something like: > > pine -subject "This is a test" fred@foo.com < a_file > > > Is there any way I can do this? > > > --Jeff > > ********************************************************************** > * Jeffrey B. Holton jeff [at] jeffholton [dot] dyndns [dot] org * > * http://www.slip.net/~holtonj * > ********************************************************************** > * "Voulez vous cliche avec moi?" * > * --D. Holton * > ********************************************************************** > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:16:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA23935; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA29069; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:15:57 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA17022; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:13:40 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA93088 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:12:46 -0800 Received: from igor.local.net (adsl-63-202-21-191.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.21.191]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA17274 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:12:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by igor.local.net (8.10.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id eB4GOTn09415; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:24:30 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:24:28 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jeffrey Holton To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: subject on command line??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Frank Zhang X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Frank Zhang wrote: > Why don't you use "mailx" instead of "mail". How dare you encourage me to cheat on my beloved PINE. I'm a faithful man! ;) In any case, there's a lovely patch that allowed me to do just what I wanted to do. You can find all sorts of cool patches at http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ --J. > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 jeff@jeffholton.dyndns.org wrote: > > > Is there a way to specify a subject from the command line? Using the > > standard 'mail' command I can do: > > > > mail -s "This is a test" fred@foo.com < a_file > > > > what I'd *like* to do is something like: > > > > pine -subject "This is a test" fred@foo.com < a_file > > > > > > Is there any way I can do this? > > > > > > --Jeff > > > > ********************************************************************** > > * Jeffrey B. Holton jeff [at] jeffholton [dot] dyndns [dot] org * > > * http://www.slip.net/~holtonj * > > ********************************************************************** > > * "Voulez vous cliche avec moi?" * > > * --D. Holton * > > ********************************************************************** > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ********************************************************************** * Jeffrey B. Holton jeff [at] jeffholton [dot] dyndns [dot] org * * http://www.slip.net/~holtonj * ********************************************************************** * "Voulez vous cliche avec moi?" * * --D. Holton * ********************************************************************** From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:45:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA27372; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA30211; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:45:44 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA09364; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:44:10 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA270330 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:43:11 -0800 Received: from isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.211.213]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA21297 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:43:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 75563 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Dec 2000 16:43:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2000 16:43:10 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:43:10 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Dan Peterson X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@palanthas.neverending.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dan Peterson, at 10:38 -0500 on Mon, 4 Dec 2000, wrote: It used to be I would only see poorly formed messages (eg HTML message, but no Content-Type header), with SPAM mail. Now, I'm seeing it more and more with official company mail... mail I'm supposed to read. I hate to admit it, but I've contemplated moving to Netscape to read my mail, just to get around this problem. I haven't got there yet, but it has crossed my mind. :-( You shouldn't be so depressed; HTML allowed author's to put structure their documents well, and meaning into them, _without_ enforcing how the end results look (that is, of course, if Pine follows strict XHTML and allowed a user-end stylesheet). Flat text is awful; it mandates how the end user must read it, and is incredibly whitespace dependent. Flat text forces the author the decide presentation, which is a big no-no in communication. -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:13:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA29599; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:13:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA31226; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:13:54 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA19598; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:10:28 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA155112 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:09:39 -0800 Received: from kilo.clearoption.com (kilo.clearoption.com [205.200.121.30]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA13484 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:09:38 -0800 Received: from ctech404 (unknown [205.200.121.81]) by kilo.clearoption.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ABDCD10686; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:09:29 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:09:13 -0600 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "John Lange" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Frank Tobin" , "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN While the goal of allowing authors to put structure and meaning into documents without forcing how the end results look is an admirable goal, it's implementation has failed miserably IMO. Most HTML I see these days "forces" how the end results are viewed by either abusing or ignoring HTML specs. The largest offender of this are the products from Microsoft, which, I'm fairly certain are responsible for the majority of email sent in the HTML format. Keeping your messages as close to plain text as possible ensures maximum compatibility between mail clients, something that Microsoft (and its users) have never cared much about. John Lange -----Original Message----- From: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu [mailto:PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Frank Tobin Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 10:43 AM To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? Dan Peterson, at 10:38 -0500 on Mon, 4 Dec 2000, wrote: It used to be I would only see poorly formed messages (eg HTML message, but no Content-Type header), with SPAM mail. Now, I'm seeing it more and more with official company mail... mail I'm supposed to read. I hate to admit it, but I've contemplated moving to Netscape to read my mail, just to get around this problem. I haven't got there yet, but it has crossed my mind. :-( You shouldn't be so depressed; HTML allowed author's to put structure their documents well, and meaning into them, _without_ enforcing how the end results look (that is, of course, if Pine follows strict XHTML and allowed a user-end stylesheet). Flat text is awful; it mandates how the end user must read it, and is incredibly whitespace dependent. Flat text forces the author the decide presentation, which is a big no-no in communication. -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:06:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id MAA15908; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA05449; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:06:10 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA36864; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:04:15 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA285350 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:00:10 -0800 Received: from isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.211.213]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA06933 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:00:09 -0800 Received: (qmail 76021 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Dec 2000 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2000 20:00:09 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:00:09 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: John Lange X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@palanthas.neverending.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN John Lange, at 11:09 -0600 on Mon, 4 Dec 2000, wrote: Most HTML I see these days "forces" how the end results are viewed by either abusing or ignoring HTML specs. The largest offender of this are the products from Microsoft, which, I'm fairly certain are responsible for the majority of email sent in the HTML format. Surprisingly, from what little I've seen, MS products do seem to generate (huge) inline stylesheets and use them appropriately. The answer to this is simple; have your user agent simply ignore any presentational-based elements, such as and , etc. These elements do not exist in XHTML, anyways. Keeping your messages as close to plain text as possible ensures maximum compatibility between mail clients, something that Microsoft (and its users) have never cared much about. Granted, this is the strongest argument for not using a markup system. Compatibility is important, indeed. However, it can be achieved by having MIME attachments, one that has the plain text, and one with the marked-up text. Of course, there is duplication, but it does provide transitional means. If a mail client cannot handle XHTML, it is simple to run incoming messages through a filter such as html-to-text converter before it reaches the client. Or, it fairly trivial for even the most basic mail clients to handle the most basic markup items that would be used, such as

and

, and simply ignore all the rest. In order to facilitate more terminal-based clients being able to render XHTML, perhaps what is needed is a CSS engine for terminal screens. It would hopefully help more than just MUA's render XML. Of course, perhaps, another way get clients to behave better would be to come up with a new DTD that is much simpler than XHTML, designed for mail only. Something like XHTML-Basic, perhaps. It would only has basic markup items that are applicable to mail messages. This would possibly only include XHTML-inline elements,

,

, and the newly-created elements , and . Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or whatever it is. :) -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:27:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id MAA10382; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA00999; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:27:39 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA07106; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:26:03 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA278310 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:24:31 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA12574 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:24:30 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA112365; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:24:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:24:23 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Emil Isberg X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Emil Isberg (emil.isberg@mds.mdh.se) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) >Why is that? I personally think this should also be able to be done :) >through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't :) >know them. :) :) Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it... :) (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have :) disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.) This is not a bug, if you disabled it in compilation then you should set "disable-these-drivers=" and empty value. The complaint from Pine (actually the server) will disappear. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:15:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id OAA04334; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA04776; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:15:51 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA16878; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:10:51 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA285324 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:09:50 -0800 Received: from ego.mind.net (IDENT:mail@ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA05088 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:09:49 -0800 Received: from id.mind.net (id.mind.net [206.99.66.10]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03866 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:09:48 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jesse Williamson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: unsubscribe pine-info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id OAA00630; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA10661; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:35:30 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA23190; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:31:47 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA132142 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:30:26 -0800 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA26263 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:30:25 -0800 Received: (qmail 520 invoked by uid 1828); 4 Dec 2000 22:30:24 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:30:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: can't ^C view selected URL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN just noticed, on pine 4.3, I can't ^c out of: 1) view selected url 2) set up url viewer 3) compose mail prompts.. No biggie since I can just type 'n', but I guess in pine only I'm used to ^C being "get me out of this question entirely". -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:37:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA08425; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA15145; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:37:28 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA33606; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:35:45 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA45926 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:34:47 -0800 Received: from legolas.mdh.se (cel95eig@legolas.mdh.se [130.243.77.20]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA07645 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:34:46 -0800 Received: by legolas.mdh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25986; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:34:37 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:34:36 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Emil Isberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: cel95eig@mds.mdh.se X-To: Eduardo Chappa X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote: >*** Emil Isberg (emil.isberg@mds.mdh.se) wrote in the pine-info list today: >:) Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it... >:) (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have >:) disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.) >This is not a bug, if you disabled it in compilation then you should set >"disable-these-drivers=" and empty value. The complaint from Pine >(actually the server) will disappear. That is a bug... It shouldn't complain (that loudly) about not finding a driver that the user want to disable... Perhaps log a line, but not complain. (The reason why one would want to have disabled-these-drivers=mbox is to forsee a future upgrade where a sysadm forgets about it... It has happen before and will happen again.) -- The United States Army; 194 years of proud service, unhampered by progress. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:03:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA18507; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA16039; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:03:23 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA07994; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:01:32 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA285212 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:00:23 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA24045 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:00:22 -0800 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.10]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA127984; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:00:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:00:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Emil Isberg X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Emil Isberg (emil.isberg@mds.mdh.se) wrote on Dec 5, 2000: :) On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote: :) >*** Emil Isberg (emil.isberg@mds.mdh.se) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) >:) Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it... :) >:) (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have :) >:) disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.) :) >This is not a bug, if you disabled it in compilation then you should set :) >"disable-these-drivers=" and empty value. The complaint from Pine :) >(actually the server) will disappear. :) :) That is a bug... It shouldn't complain (that loudly) about not finding a :) driver that the user want to disable... Perhaps log a line, but not :) complain. I don't understand this as a bug. You may suggest that pine don't complain very loud about it, but complaining about something that is correct is not a bug. If Pine were complaining about something incorrect, it would be a bug. :) (The reason why one would want to have disabled-these-drivers=mbox is to :) forsee a future upgrade where a sysadm forgets about it... It has happen :) before and will happen again.) I understand your point, but actions taken or not taken by a system administrator are not Pine's fault. I certainly disagree with the fact that they added a new *default* INBOX access method, in my opinion they would have been more consistent if they had added this and not make it the default, or just to make this work for local acces and not IMAP acces. Until today I have not received any answer as to why you can not tell the server that you don't want to receive messages in your mbox file by default when you do this by IMAP. This problem has been raised several times and there's no real solution as there is with local acces. Given that the Pine team decided to make this behavior the default, you should be either lobbying for either make them not to make this the default anymore or lobby for an IMAP command that allow you to tell a server "do not transfer any messages to me by default". For consistency this could be done through a configuration like "disable-these-drivers=mbox", and/or other means. I believe the method that Pine is using today is wrong in this sense and that's why you receive this loud message from the server, but I would not qualify it as a bug since it is behaving as designed. I am not saying that I am right, I am just stating what my points are. I would appreciate if someone proved me wrong. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:25:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA29407; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA11610; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:25:29 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA21300; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:23:53 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA153768 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:23:16 -0800 Received: from bom8.vsnl.net.in (bom8.vsnl.net.in [202.54.4.125]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA32448 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:23:15 -0800 Received: from hal9k.myip.org (unknown [203.197.58.44]) by bom8.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200BB7CA2 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:48:09 +0500 (GMT+0500) Received: from localhost (IDENT:satyap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hal9k.myip.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA02591 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:29:11 +0530 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:29:10 +0530 (IST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Satya To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: satyap@hal9k.myip.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 4, 2000 at 10:43, Frank Tobin wrote: >end results look (that is, of course, if Pine follows strict XHTML and >allowed a user-end stylesheet). Flat text is awful; it mandates how the >end user must read it, and is incredibly whitespace dependent. Flat text >forces the author the decide presentation, which is a big no-no in >communication. Then shall we switch to TeX? -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Reduce carbon dioxide emmissions - stop breathing From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:41:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA31737; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA12003; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:41:55 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA08486; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:40:35 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA183246 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:39:56 -0800 Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA20319 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:39:56 -0800 Received: from c1164653-a.salem1.or.home.com ([65.0.43.125]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001205013831.FINM18624.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1164653-a.salem1.or.home.com>; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:38:31 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:38:44 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Keith Wyatt - N6JPA To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: can't ^C view selected URL In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Matt Ackeret wrote: > just noticed, on pine 4.3, I can't ^c out of: > 1) view selected url > 2) set up url viewer > 3) compose mail > > prompts.. No biggie since I can just type 'n', but I guess in pine only > I'm used to ^C being "get me out of this question entirely". > > Did you just upgrade to 4.30 and did you use the proper build for your OS? I can compile Pine for several linux versions, but the wrong one will cause Pine not to function properly. -- Best Regards, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- Find freeware for Windows at http://strongsignals.com http://NWOregonaRadio.netfirms.com/ A site covering radio topics. ------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:51:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA15761; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA12239; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:51:35 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA32708; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:49:48 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA194714 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:48:47 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA22725 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:48:47 -0800 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.10]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA186028; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:48:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:48:45 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: can't ^C view selected URL In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Matt Ackeret (mattack@area.com) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) just noticed, on pine 4.3, I can't ^c out of: :) 1) view selected url :) 2) set up url viewer I suggested that whenever appropiate "^C" and "N" should both allow you to cancel an operation, this one was an example. My suggestion was ignored at that time. I am glad to see it back. Let me hope that they will listen this time. :) 3) compose mail Really? I do not have this problem at all. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:13:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id TAA00439; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA14066; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:13:30 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id TAA20964; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:12:08 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA107028 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:11:26 -0800 Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA00626 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:11:26 -0800 Received: from c1164653-a.salem1.or.home.com ([65.0.43.125]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001205030943.FYPE29141.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1164653-a.salem1.or.home.com> for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:09:43 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:10:14 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Keith Wyatt - N6JPA To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: A way to indicate new messages? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, Is there any way to have Pine indicate what folders have new mail? -- Best Regards, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- Find freeware for Windows at http://strongsignals.com http://NWOregonaRadio.netfirms.com/ A site covering radio topics. ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:25:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id TAA20362; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA19273; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:25:51 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id TAA34378; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:24:35 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA76394 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:23:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA165012; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:23:52 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:23:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: A way to indicate new messages? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Keith Wyatt - N6JPA X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Keith Wyatt - N6JPA wrote: > Is there any way to have Pine indicate what folders have new mail? FAQ. Set up Incoming Folders, or use the select command (; key) in the folder list to select folders by whether or not they've got new messages. You may need to enable aggregate operations in Main, Setup, Config to use the select key. http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/custom.html#xtocid561545 http://www.washington.edu/computing/faqs/html/pine.incoming-folders http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.6 http://www.washington.edu/computing/faqs/html/pine.agg-ops -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:33:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id TAA02708; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA14438; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:33:14 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id TAA32582; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:31:48 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA183050 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:31:17 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA04406; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:31:16 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA58458; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:31:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:31:16 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: A way to indicate new messages? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Scott Leibrand (leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu) wrote in the pine-info...: :) On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Keith Wyatt - N6JPA wrote: :) :) > Is there any way to have Pine indicate what folders have new mail? :) :) FAQ. Set up Incoming Folders, or use the select command (; key) in the :) folder list to select folders by whether or not they've got new messages. :) You may need to enable aggregate operations in Main, Setup, Config to use :) the select key. This does not work for incoming folders, you get an immediate error message. If however your folders are local (say they are in the mail/ collection), then the above described method does work. There is no way to indicate which incoming folders have new messages without applying a patch which can be downloaded from my web page. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:10:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA25763; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA26507; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:10:32 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id GAA17064; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:08:22 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA368408 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:07:11 -0800 Received: from elmo.nms.uwp.edu (root@elmo.nms.uwp.edu [131.210.201.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA29813 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:07:10 -0800 Received: (from premeau@localhost) by elmo.nms.uwp.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id eB5E7H401989 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:07:17 -0600 Message-Id: <200012051407.eB5E7H401989@elmo.nms.uwp.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:07:17 -0600 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: premeau@uwp.edu (Steven Premeau) To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: Eduardo Chappa "RE: PINE and mbox" (Dec 4, 5:00pm) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Until today I have not received any answer as to why you can not tell the > server that you don't want to receive messages in your mbox file by > default when you do this by IMAP. This problem has been raised several > times and there's no real solution as there is with local acces. > > Given that the Pine team decided to make this behavior the default, you > should be either lobbying for either make them not to make this the > default anymore or lobby for an IMAP command that allow you to tell a > server "do not transfer any messages to me by default". I know that I as a SysAdmin, I do not want the users disabling this (type of) behavior. (I happen to use the tenex folders -- mail.txt.) The spool directory is not quota'ed at this point, but the user's home directory is. Forcing this move keeps the user cleaning out his mail box(es). Steve. -- Steven Premeau, Network Manager premeau@uwp.edu (414) 595-2005 Networking and Microcomputing Services University of Wisconsin - Parkside ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A car is more costly, complex, and dangerous than any word processor. Yet you don't find a thousand page operating manual, nor must you check with a friend to learn how to close the window ..." - Cliff Stoll in "Silicon Snake Oil" From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:13:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id HAA26804; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA32558; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:13:20 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA37666; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:11:35 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA93914 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:10:10 -0800 Received: from orcinus.mote.org (orcinus.mote.org [216.142.140.56]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA03992 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:10:10 -0800 Received: from loligo.mote.org ([216.142.140.234] helo=mote.org ident=don) by orcinus.mote.org with esmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.20 #2) id 143JjL-0000Zj-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:10:07 -0500 Message-Id: <3A2D054E.728C732D@mote.org> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:10:06 -0500 Reply-To: don@pomobuli.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Don Hayward To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: pine and tls exim (smtp) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: don@u.washington.edu X-Accept-Language: en X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have recently put up the new release of exim (3.20) with ssl/tls support. It sits on port 25 and advertises STARTTLS to initiate encrypted communication with the MUA. I can't get Pine to work with it. Pine seems to want to go to port 465 for ssl smtp (using the smtp.path/ssl convention), and if I put exim at that port in inetd, the connection is refused. Having the tls inside the MTA seems good to me as it gives me the opportunity to use encrypted AUTH SMTP on an IP basis, and I'd like to get Pine talking that way for my people who travel. Is there something I've missed, or is Pine not able to do this? Netscape works (only mentioned as evidence the installation is probably ok). Thanks. -- Don Hayward don@mote.org Mote Marine Laboratory Voice: 941.388.4441 1600 Ken Thompson Parkway Fax: 941.388.4312 Sarasota, FL 34236 See: http://www.mote.org Independent, non-profit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. For PGP public key do: http://www.mote.org/~don/donpgp.asc use "DISCLAIMER"; # We run Linux,Apache/mod_perl/mod_ssl/eperl,Mysql,DBI/DBD Taxes feed the starving and clothe the naked. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:22:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA09253; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA29417; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:22:31 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA27136; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:20:49 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA153752 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:19:38 -0800 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA15297 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:19:38 -0800 Received: from 220.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.145.220]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001205161934.SINK5130.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@220.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net>; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:19:34 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:24:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Frank Tobin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jamesqf@postoffice.att.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Frank Tobin wrote: > If a mail client cannot handle XHTML, it is simple to run incoming > messages through a filter such as html-to-text converter before it reaches > the client. Or, it fairly trivial for even the most basic mail clients to > handle the most basic markup items that would be used, such as

and >

, and simply ignore all the rest. Along those lines, do you suppose it would be possible to set up a Pine filter/autoresponder that would, when it receives a HTML email (or MS Word, etc.) automatically generate a response like "This user is unable and/or unwilling to use your application to read his mail, so your message was automatically deleted. If you really want to communicate with him, send plain text." That would save me a bit of aggravation from time to time. James From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:24:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA12451; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA01825; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:24:02 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA17050; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:22:01 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA141268 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:19:51 -0800 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA16175 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:19:50 -0800 Received: from 220.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.145.220]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001205161946.SIOV5130.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@220.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net>; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:19:46 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:24:37 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Frank Tobin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jamesqf@postoffice.att.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Frank Tobin wrote: > Flat text is awful; it mandates how the > end user must read it, and is incredibly whitespace dependent. Flat text > forces the author the decide presentation, which is a big no-no in > communication. This is simply untrue. Ordinary email does not require any sort of presentation information other than the most basic punctuation and paragraphing, which (one would hope) would be present in HTML messages as well. In practice, people who send HTML email are almost invariably doing just the opposite: they are putting a good deal of effort into enforcing a certain presention on the recipient, even going to the lengths of (as best I can tell from looking at the HTML) specifying fonts and images to be used as background so as to present the appearance of rather tacky notepaper. James From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:05:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA00665; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA03293; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:05:32 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA44406; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:03:08 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA79394 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:02:03 -0800 Received: from kilo.clearoption.com (kilo.clearoption.com [205.200.121.30]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA20140 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:02:02 -0800 Received: from ctech404 (unknown [205.200.121.81]) by kilo.clearoption.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5956D10686 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:01:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:01:41 -0600 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "John Lange" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent > system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of > my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or > whatever it is. :) Discussions of HTML aside, I agree with this point. The decision (way back at the dawn of email) to let the author decide on which column to wrap text instead of the recipient was a huge mistake. I don't know if that was in an RFC or where it came from but its is only going to get worse as time goes on. Just on the horizon is the mass proliferation of hand held devices that have displays somewhat less than 80 characters. I can now send email from my cell phone, should I wrap the text at its display width of 10 characters? I think not.... And that brings me back to the point about HTML & eMail. No mater what the author sends, the client should be able to translate it into plain text if they so desire. I'm hardly going to be able to read your HTML email on my text only Hand-Held device so your message should make sense without the HTML. For the sake of portability, I favor an extreamly reduced flavor of some mark-up language. Something that (I believe) already exists? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there very scaled back version of HTML that allows Hand-Held devices to view web pages? Perhaps this should become a standard for email? Or maybe we should just let Microsoft decide (since they will ignore the standard anyhow). John Lange -----Original Message----- From: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu [mailto:PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Frank Tobin Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:00 PM To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? John Lange, at 11:09 -0600 on Mon, 4 Dec 2000, wrote: Most HTML I see these days "forces" how the end results are viewed by either abusing or ignoring HTML specs. The largest offender of this are the products from Microsoft, which, I'm fairly certain are responsible for the majority of email sent in the HTML format. Surprisingly, from what little I've seen, MS products do seem to generate (huge) inline stylesheets and use them appropriately. The answer to this is simple; have your user agent simply ignore any presentational-based elements, such as and , etc. These elements do not exist in XHTML, anyways. Keeping your messages as close to plain text as possible ensures maximum compatibility between mail clients, something that Microsoft (and its users) have never cared much about. Granted, this is the strongest argument for not using a markup system. Compatibility is important, indeed. However, it can be achieved by having MIME attachments, one that has the plain text, and one with the marked-up text. Of course, there is duplication, but it does provide transitional means. If a mail client cannot handle XHTML, it is simple to run incoming messages through a filter such as html-to-text converter before it reaches the client. Or, it fairly trivial for even the most basic mail clients to handle the most basic markup items that would be used, such as

and

, and simply ignore all the rest. In order to facilitate more terminal-based clients being able to render XHTML, perhaps what is needed is a CSS engine for terminal screens. It would hopefully help more than just MUA's render XML. Of course, perhaps, another way get clients to behave better would be to come up with a new DTD that is much simpler than XHTML, designed for mail only. Something like XHTML-Basic, perhaps. It would only has basic markup items that are applicable to mail messages. This would possibly only include XHTML-inline elements,

,

, and the newly-created elements , and . Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or whatever it is. :) -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:31:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA26717; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA04211; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:31:49 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA37106; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:29:52 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA41332 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:28:40 -0800 Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.128]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA30969 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:28:39 -0800 Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21908; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:28:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:28:31 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: zachariah cameron To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: John Lange X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I don't think there is anything about a hand held device that necessarily precludes using HTML if it is properly coded. The folks at Qualcomm seem to be doing well with there phone/email units. ----- Life is too short to be small. zachariah cameron HelpDesk Analyst (Access Tech.) York University (o) Ph. (416)736-5800 TTY (416)667-2031 ----- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:01:41 -0600 From: John Lange To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? > Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent > system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of > my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or > whatever it is. :) Discussions of HTML aside, I agree with this point. The decision (way back at the dawn of email) to let the author decide on which column to wrap text instead of the recipient was a huge mistake. I don't know if that was in an RFC or where it came from but its is only going to get worse as time goes on. Just on the horizon is the mass proliferation of hand held devices that have displays somewhat less than 80 characters. I can now send email from my cell phone, should I wrap the text at its display width of 10 characters? I think not.... And that brings me back to the point about HTML & eMail. No mater what the author sends, the client should be able to translate it into plain text if they so desire. I'm hardly going to be able to read your HTML email on my text only Hand-Held device so your message should make sense without the HTML. For the sake of portability, I favor an extreamly reduced flavor of some mark-up language. Something that (I believe) already exists? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there very scaled back version of HTML that allows Hand-Held devices to view web pages? Perhaps this should become a standard for email? Or maybe we should just let Microsoft decide (since they will ignore the standard anyhow). John Lange From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:22:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id LAA28148; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA03351; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:22:16 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA53660; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:19:30 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA44090 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:18:26 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA26334 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:18:26 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA141910; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:18:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:18:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: PINE and mbox In-Reply-To: <200012051407.eB5E7H401989@elmo.nms.uwp.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Steven Premeau X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Steven Premeau (premeau@uwp.edu) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) I know that I as a SysAdmin, I do not want the users disabling this (type :) of) behavior. (I happen to use the tenex folders -- mail.txt.) The spool :) directory is not quota'ed at this point, but the user's home directory is. :) Forcing this move keeps the user cleaning out his mail box(es). All that's fine, but your whole idea breaks down when the user deletes his/her mbox file and the server does not transfer messages anymore. There's nothing you can do to force the user download his/her messages, unless you force them to use POP3, and even then it may be possible to leave them in the server. A measure like forcing people to use a mbox file only has an effect if you keep your users uninformed about their options. I am sure you'll have your reasons for doing that. For example in our system we are misinformed saying that "this is the way technology is moving, and we have to go with it", completely a mistatement. I see more danger in giving a quota to their home directory than to their spool. I would recommend that you give them a soft quota in their spool, when they reach that quota new messages won't be delivered but saved somewhere else, and they will only be delivered when the user has made enough space for them. For me to use the mbox file as an inbox is not a good idea, I still do not know what the real advantage in using it is. I admit that there may be cases where it is preferable, but I can not believe that it is an excellent idea as the Pine team intends to convince you without any reason to support it (press M R and take a look at the information about folder locking). If this was an excellent idea there should be a way to force users to use it, but there isn't, why? -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA02974; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA11834; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:00:31 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA44922; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:56:54 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA41446 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:50:25 -0800 Received: from isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.211.213]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA14708 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:50:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 81066 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Dec 2000 20:50:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2000 20:50:24 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:50:24 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: John Lange X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@palanthas.neverending.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN John Lange, at 11:01 -0600 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote: And that brings me back to the point about HTML & eMail. No mater what the author sends, the client should be able to translate it into plain text if they so desire. I'm hardly going to be able to read your HTML email on my text only Hand-Held device so your message should make sense without the HTML. This is trivial if you use a XML-based system like XHTML. Technically speaking, there is no way to render plain XHTML; the presentation comes from using the stylesheets. User agents are free to support whatever stylesheet commands they want. For example, on a hand-held device, it would be silly to support any of the CSS font selectors, but something like "blockquote { padding-left: 2em }" might still be viable. For the sake of portability, I favor an extreamly reduced flavor of some mark-up language. Something that (I believe) already exists? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there very scaled back version of HTML that allows Hand-Held devices to view web pages? Perhaps this should become a standard for email? Or maybe we should just let Microsoft decide (since they will ignore the standard anyhow). You're thinking of XHTML-Basic, which is a subset of XHTML, described at http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/ Some of the changes from XHTML is that it does not support inline stylesheets (externals are recommended), script and noscript are not supported, font elements and other text extension elements are not supported. Tables are still the standard but not recommended. Nesting of tables is not supported. -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:02:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA09744; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA11892; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:02:35 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA07380; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:59:08 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA105598 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:52:49 -0800 Received: from isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.211.213]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA16264 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:52:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 81086 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Dec 2000 20:52:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2000 20:52:48 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:52:48 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: zachariah cameron X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@palanthas.neverending.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN zachariah cameron, at 12:28 -0500 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote: I don't think there is anything about a hand held device that necessarily precludes using HTML if it is properly coded. The folks at Qualcomm seem to be doing well with there phone/email units. Disclaimer: I am not familiar with Qualcomm's phone/mail system. While this may be true, it is probably not because the phone is not actually capable of rendering the HTML; markup is probably modified on the server-end, so that it can be presented to the client properly, instead of the client being able to handle the markup in full. -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:03:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA13123; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA11925; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:03:43 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA26018; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:01:03 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA368480 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:58:29 -0800 Received: from isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.211.213]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA25718 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:58:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 81109 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Dec 2000 20:58:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2000 20:58:28 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:58:28 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: James X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@palanthas.neverending.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN James, at 08:24 -0800 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote: This is simply untrue. Ordinary email does not require any sort of presentation information other than the most basic punctuation and paragraphing, which (one would hope) would be present in HTML messages as well. I'm sure at one time people thought that ordinary email wouldn't need to contain files either, but nowadays, MIME is popular for things such as cryptographic signatures, etc. Times change. Flat text decides whitespaceing, doesn't allow for semantic meaning such as with the use of , doesn't allow for linking, etc, etc. When I write email, I would like to put in any sort of semantics as I would in a normal conversation, such as if I'm blockquoting. In particular, wouldn't it be nice if _I_ decided how blockquotes were line-prefixed, instead of having to deal with everyone's "> ", ":) ", etc, etc. Wouldn't it also be nice if I could render signatures in a smaller font, or even hide them? With flat text, there is no good way to structure the mail so parts of it can be handled differently from others. In practice, people who send HTML email are almost invariably doing just the opposite: they are putting a good deal of effort into enforcing a certain presention on the recipient, even going to the lengths of (as best I can tell from looking at the HTML) specifying fonts and images to be used as background so as to present the appearance of rather tacky notepaper. Please don't attack semantic markup languages because of what people do with them; you are free to modify clients so that they ignore parts of the language that do not contain semantics. The whole point is that the presentation is decided by the client. -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:04:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA11833; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA06950; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:04:46 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA37656; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:03:37 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA285128 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:00:00 -0800 Received: from isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.211.213]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA17885 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:59:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 81121 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Dec 2000 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2000 20:59:59 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:59:59 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: James X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@palanthas.neverending.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN James, at 08:24 -0800 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote: Along those lines, do you suppose it would be possible to set up a Pine filter/autoresponder that would, when it receives a HTML email (or MS Word, etc.) automatically generate a response like "This user is unable and/or unwilling to use your application to read his mail, so your message was automatically deleted. If you really want to communicate with him, send plain text." This could be easily done using procmail, looking for MIME attachments of the specified types, and then sending canned messages back to the sender. -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:29:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id UAA22183; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA20596; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:29:08 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id UAA15820; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:26:47 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA386646 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:25:44 -0800 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA06897 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:25:43 -0800 Received: from 124.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.145.124]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001206042538.EWQA2287.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@124.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:25:38 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:30:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Frank Tobin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jamesqf@postoffice.att.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Frank Tobin wrote: > Flat text decides whitespaceing, doesn't allow for semantic meaning such > as with the use of , doesn't allow for linking, etc, etc. When I > write email, I would like to put in any sort of semantics as I would in a > normal conversation, such as if I'm blockquoting. How so? I manage to do most of these with plain text, and like as not could easily manage the rest if I wanted them. For instance, if I dislike the width of a message, I simply hit a key (F2 on my system), and hey, the paragraph is reformatted to my preferred width. > Please don't attack semantic markup languages because of what people do > with them; you are free to modify clients so that they ignore parts of the > language that do not contain semantics. That's true in theory. In practice, there are a finite number of hours in my day, and a large number of more interesting and/or remunerative things to do with them. Yes, I COULD write my own HTML viewer, but in real life I merely spend a few hours trying to get Netscape to produce marginally-acceptable output - amazing how difficult it is to get it to do simple things like display text as white on black - then give up in disgust and accept the fact that there are documents and web sites that I will never see. James From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:26:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id WAA04395; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA28004; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:26:19 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id WAA25826; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:24:15 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA105590 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:23:23 -0800 Received: from isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu (isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.211.213]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id WAA24427 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:23:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 82803 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Dec 2000 06:23:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 06:23:19 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:23:19 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: James X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@palanthas.neverending.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN James, at 20:30 -0800 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote: > Flat text decides whitespaceing, doesn't allow for semantic meaning such > as with the use of , doesn't allow for linking, etc, etc. When I > write email, I would like to put in any sort of semantics as I would in a > normal conversation, such as if I'm blockquoting. How so? I manage to do most of these with plain text, and like as not could easily manage the rest if I wanted them. For instance, if I dislike the width of a message, I simply hit a key (F2 on my system), and hey, the paragraph is reformatted to my preferred width. >From what you write I'm assuming you're arguing that you can compensate on the receiving end. However, as the recipient, there are definitely some things you can't do, and some things that would prove very difficult. Sure, you can resize paragraphs and such. But how can you distinguish/render emphasized text if no markup exists? You are also subject to the author's whims on what line-prefix to use when replying to blocks. Also, if your mailer renders mail in a variable-width font, and the author embeds code, you probably want to render the code in a fixed-width font; however, getting your mailer to automatically "recognize" code and render it fixed-width without the help of markup could prove very difficult. -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:17:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id FAA32503; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA04052; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:17:01 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id FAA33770; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:15:30 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA407882 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:14:40 -0800 Received: from skippy.hhnt.org.uk (skippy.hhnt.org.uk [193.32.22.91]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA32721 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:14:37 -0800 Received: from agent-cxh (unverified) by skippy.hhnt.org.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:31:57 +0000 Received: from HHT-Message_Server by agent-cxh with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:14:18 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:13:51 +0000 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Bridget Nichols" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: -attachlist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, what is the correct format for the -attachlist flag? I am currently using: pine -I^X,y -subject "hello" bnichols@hhnt.org -attachlist "filename1,filen= ame2" which sends the mail to filename1 and filename2, but does not include them = as attachments. many thanks ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and=20 intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they =20 are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify=20 your email system administrator. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been checked for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:14:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA25122; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA04784; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:14:14 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA17926; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:11:57 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA69394 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:09:18 -0800 Received: from niwot.scd.ucar.edu (niwot.scd.ucar.edu [128.117.8.223]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA30086 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:09:18 -0800 Received: from sedona.scd.ucar.edu (sedona.scd.ucar.edu [128.117.8.183]) by niwot.scd.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03248; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:09:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (era@localhost) by sedona.scd.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24111; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:09:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:09:13 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: era@ucar.edu Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ed Arnold To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Frank Tobin X-Cc: James , Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: sedona.scd.ucar.edu: era owned process doing -bs X-Sender: era@sedona.scd.ucar.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Frank Tobin wrote: > Flat text decides whitespaceing, doesn't allow for semantic meaning such > as with the use of , doesn't allow for linking, etc, etc. When I > write email, I would like to put in any sort of semantics as I would in a > normal conversation, such as if I'm blockquoting. Somehow I get the feeling you're getting bound up in 5% of the cases. What's more important is the 95% of cases in which plain ascii is perfectly adequate. I find that is the case with my email. It's simply a waste of bandwidth to receive a one-paragraph email that has the same information appended in HTML. In practice, I find that 95% of the people who do this, not only don't need the HTML attachment, but aren't even aware their mailer added it (usually because they're running quiche-eater tools like Outlook). When I really need to transmit a large amount of information, nicely formatted, then I attach a .html or .doc or whatever. But, this is a rare event. In any event, I like Pine because Pine doesn't insist on turning my plain ascii into HTML. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:34:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA12195; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA08063; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:34:11 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA14334; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:32:27 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA77580 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:31:15 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA17313 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:31:14 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA13444; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:31:13 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA28282; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:29:00 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA411190 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:29 -0800 Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA13656 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:28 -0800 Received: from shiva0.cac.washington.edu (shiva0.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.200]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA05569; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (hubert@localhost) by shiva0.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA29218; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:28 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:28 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine 4.31 now available MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: PINE-ANNOUNCE-owner@u.washington.edu X-To: Pine Announcement List X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System version 4.31. This release introduces no new major functionality, but is intended to address bugs found in earlier versions. Specific information can be found in the built-in release notes ("R" off the Main Menu), and via: http://www.washington.edu/pine/ and ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/ Source for the latest Pine release is available in: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z and ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to are available in: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin and ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm431w32.zip As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and determine for yourself that it performs suitably in your environment before placing Pine into production use. The Pine Development Team -- ------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/pine-announce.html ------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/pine-announce.html ------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:01:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id LAA01237; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA14577; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:01:25 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA26044; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:00:24 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA278382 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:59:30 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA26782 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:59:30 -0800 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.10]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA58710; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:59:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:59:23 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: -attachlist In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bridget Nichols X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Bridget Nichols (BNichols@hhnt.org) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) what is the correct format for the -attachlist flag? :) :) I am currently using: :) :) pine -I^X,y -subject "hello" bnichols@hhnt.org -attachlist "filename1,filename2" Use "-attachlist filename1 filename2", without the quotes. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:08:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id MAA19843; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA11976; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:08:39 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA33092; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:06:15 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA93104 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:04:42 -0800 Received: from isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@isr5981.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.211.213]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA07499 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:04:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 84880 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Dec 2000 20:04:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 20:04:41 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:04:41 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ed Arnold X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-Sender: ftobin@palanthas.neverending.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Ed Arnold, at 10:09 -0700 on Wed, 6 Dec 2000, wrote: What's more important is the 95% of cases in which plain ascii is perfectly adequate. I find that is the case with my email. It's simply a waste of bandwidth to receive a one-paragraph email that has the same information appended in HTML. In practice, I find that 95% of the people who do this, not only don't need the HTML attachment, but aren't even aware their mailer added it (usually because they're running quiche-eater tools like Outlook). I have to disagree; at the very minimum, everyone uses their reply-block demarcations, while this could be much better handled using a clean semantic element. Also, everyone has their own demarcation for their signature. These are possibly the two most prominent points that could be handled with ease by non-flat text. When I really need to transmit a large amount of information, nicely formatted, then I attach a .html or .doc or whatever. But, this is a rare event. In any event, I like Pine because Pine doesn't insist on turning my plain ascii into HTML. I certainly hope you don't use HTML so you can "nicely format" documents, because that is not the point of HTML; the point is to introduce semantics into a document; CSS provides presentation. And I certainly hope you don't send .doc's, which are entirely presentational, and incredibly inaccessible (in the W3C sense). If these arguments for a markup language do not convince you, look towards the accessibility issue. If we are ever going to get above the idea that email needs to be presented visually (and instead possibly using speech), we most definitely need to move to a markup system. Text-to-speech programs simply cannot handle flat text mail well, as they will simply cannot distinguish replies or signatures well, which often contain character data that should not be rendered as-is. -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:11:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id MAA24392; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA12129; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:11:45 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA24080; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:09:33 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA367876 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:08:26 -0800 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA01622 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:08:26 -0800 Received: (qmail 28428 invoked by uid 1828); 6 Dec 2000 20:08:25 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:08:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: typo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN typo in pine's attachment index help: The "ATTACHMENT INDEX" displays a list of the current message's attachments, and allows various operations on them. The first attachment is usually the message text, but does not include the header portion of the message. ... Delete Mark the currently selected attachment for Deletion. The delete flag only has effect when saving the message to a folder. Attachments marked for deletion are exluded from the messsage when it is saved. In addition, the delete mark only applies to this Pine session. Note the "exluded". Even if corrected to "excluded", I don't think that's very good wording, but at least correcting the typo is better than nothing. I think something like: Attachments marked for deletion are not copied to the destination folder along with the rest of the message when it is saved. (Or something like that in a less-wordy way... they're not excluded _from the message_, they're excluded _from the copy operation_.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:03:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA06575; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA13925; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:03:11 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA38482; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:01:43 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA82972 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:55:15 -0800 Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA11770 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:55:15 -0800 Received: from c1164653-a.salem1.or.home.com ([65.0.43.125]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001206205332.TOQJ29141.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1164653-a.salem1.or.home.com>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:53:32 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:54:04 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Keith Wyatt - N6JPA To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: -attachlist In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bridget Nichols X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Bridget Nichols wrote: > Hello, > > what is the correct format for the -attachlist flag? > > I am currently using: > > pine -I^X,y -subject "hello" bnichols@hhnt.org -attachlist "filename1,filename2" > > which sends the mail to filename1 and filename2, but does not include them as attachments. > > many thanks > > pine -attachlist file1 file2 then enter the To: address For wildcards to send multiple files use *.html or index.* or all files in one directory pine -attachlist * -- Best Regards, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- Find freeware for Windows at http://strongsignals.com http://NWOregonaRadio.netfirms.com/ A site covering radio topics. ------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:40:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA10092; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA15212; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:40:35 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA40690; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:38:37 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA45924 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:35:04 -0800 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA32634 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:35:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 3062 invoked by uid 1828); 6 Dec 2000 21:35:03 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:35:03 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE-INFO digest 944 In-Reply-To: <200012060806.AAA13138@list3.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 pine-info@u.washington.edu wrote: >Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:01:41 -0600 >From: "John Lange" >To: "Pine Discussion Forum" >Subject: RE: HTML? >Message-ID: > >> Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent >> system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of >> my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or >> whatever it is. :) > >Discussions of HTML aside, I agree with this point. The decision (way back >at the dawn of email) to let the author decide on which column to wrap text >instead of the recipient was a huge mistake. > >I don't know if that was in an RFC or where it came from but its is only >going to get worse as time goes on. Just on the horizon is the mass >proliferation of hand held devices that have displays somewhat less than 80 >characters. I can now send email from my cell phone, should I wrap the text >at its display width of 10 characters? I think not.... There is an RFC for flowed email.. and it's somehow downwardly compatible with 80 column email. (I've read parts of it, it seems ok, but I'm not a fan of flowed email in the first place..) >And that brings me back to the point about HTML & eMail. No mater what the >author sends, the client should be able to translate it into plain text if >they so desire. I'm hardly going to be able to read your HTML email on my >text only Hand-Held device so your message should make sense without the >HTML. That's not really true. lynx, links, and w3m all do varying good jobs of showing me html as plain text. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:01:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id AAA21173; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA31263; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:01:34 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id XAA37548; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:59:45 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA232264 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:56:23 -0800 Received: from vger.timpanogas.org (IDENT:root@vger.timpanogas.org [207.109.151.240]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA00372 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:56:19 -0800 Received: from asdf.capslock.lan (SSMarie-ppp129069.sympatico.ca [209.226.190.188]) by vger.timpanogas.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16987; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 01:52:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by asdf.capslock.lan (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB6KG4S16502; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:16:04 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:16:04 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: typo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: asdf.capslock.lan: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Ackeret wrote: >Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:08:25 -0800 (PST) >From: Matt Ackeret >To: Pine Discussion Forum >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: typo > >typo in pine's attachment index help: > >The "ATTACHMENT INDEX" displays a list of the current message's >attachments, and allows various operations on them. The first attachment >is usually the message text, but does not include the header portion of >the message. >... > Delete > Mark the currently selected attachment for Deletion. The delete ^ > flag only has effect when saving the message to a folder. > Attachments marked for deletion are exluded from the messsage when ^^ ^^^ > it is saved. In addition, the delete mark only applies to this Pine > session. > > >Note the "exluded". And numerous other typos. ;o) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Open source advocate This message is copyright 2000, all rights reserved. Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Mike A. Harris Linux tip #1 - 50 line mode] Is the 80x25 line screen too small for you? If you want more screen real estate, you can set 50 column mode by editing your /etc/lilo.conf file, and adding a new line with "vga=ext" to the global section near the top. Save and exit, then run "lilo". Next time you boot, you'll have a nice big 80x50 screen. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:20:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id FAA00570; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA04660; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:20:47 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id FAA40466; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:19:41 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA156600 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:17:55 -0800 Received: from owned.lab6.com (IDENT:root@[212.158.123.230]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA06766 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:17:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (gossi@localhost) by owned.lab6.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13133 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:14:16 GMT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:14:16 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gossi The Dog To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine 4.31 now available In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Steve Hubert wrote: > This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System > version 4.31. This release introduces no new major functionality, but > is intended to address bugs found in earlier versions. Compiled and briefly tested on Cobalt Linux 5.0 without problems. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:54:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id FAA17547; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA05220; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:54:27 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id FAA32954; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:53:21 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA22234 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:52:31 -0800 Received: from legolas.mdh.se (cel95eig@legolas.mdh.se [130.243.77.20]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA09729 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:52:30 -0800 Received: by legolas.mdh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10826; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:52:20 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:52:20 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Emil Isberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine 4.31 now available In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: X-To: Steve Hubert X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Steve Hubert wrote: >This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System >version 4.31. This release introduces no new major functionality, but >is intended to address bugs found in earlier versions. Solaris 2.5.1 compiled and somewhat tested... Sort by threads and rules work like a charm. :-) -- I think my career is ruined! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:07:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA25191; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA05600; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:07:21 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id GAA42914; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:06:11 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA70000 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:03:38 -0800 Received: from ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de [194.95.66.3]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA10762 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:03:32 -0800 Received: from ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (rr-2s01.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de [194.95.66.2]) by ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12212 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:03:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from [10.110.1.10] (helo=pc-2m10.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de) by ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1441dZ-0007dC-00 for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:03:05 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:01:43 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steffen Kaiser To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PC-Pine v4.31 and URL with special characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: skaise2a@rr-2s01a.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, I'm using PC-Pine v4.31 and when I try to open an URL with special characters, like: http://..../pub/english.cgi?op=rmail Pine surrounds the string with single quotes. Netscape Communicator (as nearly any other Windows program) won't interprete these characters as quotes and passes them on to the WWW proxy, of course the connection will fail then. SQUID output: While trying to retrieve the URL: http://'http//..../pub/english.cgi?op=rmail' ^ without colon The following error was encountered: Invalid URL And the Communicator is displaying the URL as: http://'http://..../pub/english.cgi?op=rmail' ^ with colon Is there a patch or a trick to prevent PC Pine to add these quotes to the URL? Bye, -- Steffen Kaiser -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:08:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA07303; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA10698; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:07:59 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id GAA29356; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:07:00 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA90952 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:06:18 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA26594 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:06:16 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (cactus.sonytel.be [193.74.243.97]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15129 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:06:13 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:06:13 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Piotr Martyniuk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PINE and Windows. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: piotr@cactus.sonytel.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi! How to using PINE in Windows systems if I have modem and no pernament connection to the internet? Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed previously and disconnect? If there no direct way to achieve this directly from PINE maybe is another program for windows which do this work? I want to know is it possible working with PINE like with "Netscape Mailer" or "Outlock" (sorry about this last swearwords) Regards Murphy --------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ e-mail: GaduGadu: #297149 ^ ^ | ^ piotr@sonycom.com ^ | ^ | | | murph@free.polbox.pl | | | |/|\| murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl |/|\| | http://www.mxp.w3.pl/klub/murphy.html | | Everything is possible - this is only a question of time | --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:26:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA28395; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA11049; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:26:24 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id GAA22008; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:25:20 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA285758 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:24:22 -0800 Received: from sungod.ccs.yorku.ca (sungod.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.104]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA09857 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:24:22 -0800 Received: from sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca (sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.110]) by sungod.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04359; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:20:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:20:31 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: zachariah cameron To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE and Windows. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Piotr Martyniuk X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Are you familiar with the difference between Pine and PC-Pine. It sounds as if what you need is PC-Pine. ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm431w32.zip ----- Life is too short to be small. zachariah cameron HelpDesk Analyst (Access Tech.) York University (o) Ph. (416)736-5800 TTY (416)667-2031 ----- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:06:13 +0100 (MET) From: Piotr Martyniuk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PINE and Windows. Hi! How to using PINE in Windows systems if I have modem and no pernament connection to the internet? Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed previously and disconnect? If there no direct way to achieve this directly from PINE maybe is another program for windows which do this work? I want to know is it possible working with PINE like with "Netscape Mailer" or "Outlock" (sorry about this last swearwords) Regards Murphy --------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ e-mail: GaduGadu: #297149 ^ ^ | ^ piotr@sonycom.com ^ | ^ | | | murph@free.polbox.pl | | | |/|\| murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl |/|\| | http://www.mxp.w3.pl/klub/murphy.html | | Everything is possible - this is only a question of time | --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:33:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA24705; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA06100; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:33:33 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id GAA21916; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:30:54 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA405748 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:30:03 -0800 Received: from legolas.mdh.se (cel95eig@legolas.mdh.se [130.243.77.20]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA28631 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:30:02 -0800 Received: by legolas.mdh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14272; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:30:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:29:59 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Emil Isberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine 4.31 now available In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Emil Isberg wrote: >On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Steve Hubert wrote: >>This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System >>version 4.31. This release introduces no new major functionality, but >>is intended to address bugs found in earlier versions. > >Solaris 2.5.1 compiled and somewhat tested... Sort by threads and rules >work like a charm. :-) The only problem I can see is not a new one, but some sort of problem decoding long base64 coded strings like the following subject: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmFkaW9VRlMgdjQ5OiBGb3Jza2FyZGFnZW4gLyBEZWNlbWJlcnMgdOR2bGluZyAvIFNsdXQgcOUg ZvZyZWzkc25pbmdzc2VyaWVuPw==?= The headers describe the mail being: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.147 (B2.11; Q2.03) My own perldecoder handled the decoding corrently (when removed the newline and space ofcourse), but I haven't parsed through rfc822_base64() well enough yet to understand why it fails. :-) Someone that can enlighten me? The text is in Swedish if anyone was wondering. -- The Martian landed his saucer in Manhattan, and immediately upon emerging was approached by a panhandler. "Mister," said the man, "can I have a quarter?" The Martian asked, "What's a quarter?" The panhandler thought a minute, brightened, then said, "You're right! Can I have a dollar?" -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:58:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA06961; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA06667; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:58:00 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id GAA32986; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:51:10 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA133024 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:50:38 -0800 Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.128]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA06706 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:50:37 -0800 Received: from sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca (sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.110]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26505 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:50:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:50:36 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: zachariah cameron To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine 4.30 fails to create Fcc folder In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Info X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This is working better now but if you create a filter which wants to move messages to a previously non-existant email folder it now comes up and asks if you want to create the folder, you say yes, and it craps out (that is Pine aborts). You will find that there is now a folder in your /Mail directory of the name requested but the filter does not work. ----- Life is too short to be small. zachariah cameron HelpDesk Analyst (Access Tech.) York University (o) Ph. (416)736-5800 TTY (416)667-2031 ----- Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:22:49 -0500 (EST) From: zachariah To: Pine Info Subject: Pine 4.30 fails to create Fcc folder If you create a new address book entry in Pine 4.30 with an Fcc entry for a file which does not already exist and then go back to your messages index, hit 's' for save and view the file name at the bottom nothing happens after you hit . The file is not created and the message not saved. (Normally, of course, you will be prompted to create the file.) If you happen to overlook this and, thinking that you have already saved that message, you manually delete it you are out of luck and have lost that message. ----- Life is too short to be small. zachariah cameron HelpDesk Analyst (Access Tech.) York University (o) Ph. (416)736-5800 TTY (416)667-2031 ----- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:26:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id HAA02679; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA07259; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:26:29 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA09906; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:21:02 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA188604 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:20:18 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA19087 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:20:11 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (cactus.sonytel.be [193.74.243.97]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18860; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:19:45 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:19:45 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Piotr Martyniuk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE and Windows. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: zachariah cameron X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: piotr@cactus.sonytel.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Are you familiar with the difference between Pine and PC-Pine. Not so much because now I use PINE inder UNIX and I consider situation how to use it under Windows in future, when I start using PINE in home via modem. > It sounds as if what you need is PC-Pine. > > ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm431w32.zip Thanks for link, but I already have this version of pine, but I havent to much time to read documentation about difference between PINE and PcPine. Maybe You explain me shortly how its work under Windows. Thanks in advice. Best Regards Murphy > ----- > Life is too short to be small. > > zachariah cameron > HelpDesk Analyst (Access Tech.) > York University (o) > > Ph. (416)736-5800 > TTY (416)667-2031 > > ----- > > Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:06:13 +0100 (MET) > From: Piotr Martyniuk > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: PINE and Windows. > > Hi! > > How to using PINE in Windows systems if I have modem and no pernament connection > to the internet? > > Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed > previously and disconnect? > > If there no direct way to achieve this directly from PINE maybe is another > program for windows which do this work? > > I want to know is it possible working with PINE like with "Netscape Mailer" or > "Outlock" (sorry about this last swearwords) > > Regards > > Murphy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ^ e-mail: GaduGadu: #297149 ^ > ^ | ^ piotr@sonycom.com ^ | ^ > | | | murph@free.polbox.pl | | | > |/|\| murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl |/|\| > | http://www.mxp.w3.pl/klub/murphy.html | > | Everything is possible - this is only a question of time | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ e-mail: GaduGadu: #297149 ^ ^ | ^ piotr@sonycom.com ^ | ^ | | | murph@free.polbox.pl | | | |/|\| murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl |/|\| | http://www.mxp.w3.pl/klub/murphy.html | | Everything is possible - this is only a question of time | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:14:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA29282; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA13686; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:14:25 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA21820; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:13:01 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA214758 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:12:05 -0800 Received: from equake.geol.vt.edu (equake.geol.vt.edu [128.173.184.42]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA26653 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:12:03 -0800 Received: from localhost (snoke@localhost) by equake.geol.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04916 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:12:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:12:00 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Arthur Snoke To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: not getting announcements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I never got an announcement about 4.30 or about 4.31. I see 4.31 is now out because it was mentioned in a note to this list, which is the only pine list I subscribe to. Am I asleep at the wheel or is there another list? Seems like it should go to the discussion list. I think it did in the past. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:17:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA13876; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA13803; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:17:45 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA18274; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:15:46 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA32716 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:14:56 -0800 Received: from lapd.cj.edu.ro (lapd.cj.edu.ro [193.231.142.101]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA09894 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:14:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 6507 invoked by uid 559); 7 Dec 2000 16:16:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:16:38 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:16:37 +0200 (EET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Seby To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Compile error... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hy, ./build slx ..... Making Pine. make CC=cc -f makefile.lnx cc -g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE -c send.c -o send.o send.c: In function `pine_send': send.c:2852: `pbuf' undeclared (first use in this function) send.c:2852: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once send.c:2852: for each function it appears in.) make: *** [send.o] Error 1 Links to executables are in bin directory: size: bin/pine: No such file or directory text data bss dec hex filename 1072942 35092 15232 1123266 1123c2 bin/mtest 1106249 35212 22516 1163977 11c2c9 bin/imapd 199041 5140 2588 206769 327b1 bin/pico 196981 5012 2588 204581 31f25 bin/pilot Done It says that the pbuf variable is undeclared ... Seby... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:17:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA24654; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA08678; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:17:45 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA37682; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:14:53 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA156662 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:14:14 -0800 Received: from falcon.dickinson.edu ([205.146.146.154]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA24965 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:14:12 -0800 Received: from localhost by falcon.dickinson.edu (8.8.8/1.1.22.3/25Feb99-0911AM) id LAA0000014774; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:14:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:14:06 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Don Newcomer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine's IMAPD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Info mailing list X-Authentication-Warning: falcon.dickinson.edu: newcomer owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN We're running Pine on under Tru64 UNIX version 4.0D using enhanced security. I just installed the IMAP daemon from version 4.30 (build sos) and found that it finally handles locked accounts and expired password properly. We're also using a web-based interface to mail that uses IMAP. This interface has a utility that will allow for web-based password changes. The caveat is that our "POP3 or IMAP4 server supports Eudora's 'poppass' protocol (port 106)." My question is just that; does the IMAPD in version 4.30 (or 4.31) support "poppass" protocol and make my life easier? Thanks. ================================================================================ Don Newcomer Dickinson College Associate Director, System and Network Services P.O. Box 1773 newcomer@dickinson.edu Carlisle, PA 17013 Phone: (717) 245-1699 FAX: (717) 245-1690 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:51:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA01844; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA09871; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:51:33 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA15922; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:50:04 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA112982 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:49:14 -0800 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA24829 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:49:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA30467; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:46:24 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:46:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE and Windows. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Piotr Martyniuk X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Piotr Martyniuk wrote: > Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed > previously and disconnect? You can configure Windows itself to dial into your ISP whenever you attempt network access. Try Control panel:Internet options:Connection; the wording beyond there varies with different sub-versions of Windows. If this is set properly, I would think that launching Pine would cause Windows to dial your ISP. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA25262; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA15756; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:13:11 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA42898; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:11:37 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA339426 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:10:51 -0800 Received: from lapd.cj.edu.ro (lapd.cj.edu.ro [193.231.142.101]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA20893 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:09:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 7092 invoked by uid 559); 7 Dec 2000 17:11:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 17:11:30 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:11:30 +0200 (EET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Seby To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Compile error... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Seby wrote: > Hy, > ./build slx > ..... > > Making Pine. > make CC=cc -f makefile.lnx > cc -g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE -c send.c -o send.o > send.c: In function `pine_send': > send.c:2852: `pbuf' undeclared (first use in this function) > send.c:2852: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > send.c:2852: for each function it appears in.) > make: *** [send.o] Error 1 > > Links to executables are in bin directory: > size: bin/pine: No such file or directory > text data bss dec hex filename > 1072942 35092 15232 1123266 1123c2 bin/mtest > 1106249 35212 22516 1163977 11c2c9 bin/imapd > 199041 5140 2588 206769 327b1 bin/pico > 196981 5012 2588 204581 31f25 bin/pilot > Done > > It says that the pbuf variable is undeclared ... I forgot to say that I aplayed the accents patch for pine 4.31 and the patch that lets you send mails with pine from prompt... Seby... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:22:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA18742; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA16048; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:22:28 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA25940; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:21:00 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA188486 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:20:13 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA07870 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:20:12 -0800 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.10]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA231992; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:19:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:19:51 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Compile error... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Seby X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Seby (seby@lapd.cj.edu.ro) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) I forgot to say that I aplayed the accents patch for pine 4.31 :) and the patch that lets you send mails with pine from prompt... There was a change from 4.30 to 4.31 that causes this error. The easy solution is to change "pbuf->something" into "pbf->something" in the offending line or get the patch again. Thanks. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:51:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA31896; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA18918; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:51:14 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA16054; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:49:02 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA170892 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:47:50 -0800 Received: from peas.welch.jhu.edu (peas.welch.jhu.edu [162.129.68.12]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA27190 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:47:50 -0800 Received: from localhost by peas.welch.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27788 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:45:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:45:41 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: John Johnston To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Folder format woes ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN In moving from 3.94, to 4.21 ... we ran into a bad thing... saving a message to a folder has changed. for example, In the "old days" a saved message into one of my folders would look like the following: ---- >From aloysen@leland.Stanford.EDU Thu Jan 6 14:58 EST 2000 Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (smtp.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by peas.welch.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27746 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from brown-hhmi (brown-hhmi.Stanford.EDU [171.65.26.160]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with SMTP id MAA04447 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:08:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000106120622.00d931e0@aloysen.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: aloysen@aloysen.pobox.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 12:08:19 -0800 To: mckusick@peas.welch.jhu.edu From: Adrienne Loysen Subject: Speaking on July 19th Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 742 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 Now ... ---- >From joanna@peas.welch.jhu.edu Thu Nov 30 18:15:00 2000 -0500 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Received: from llb.llbean.com (llb.llbean.com [63.75.206.52]) by peas.welch.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20183 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:15:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.llbean.com (mail.llbean.com [172.21.9.41]) by llb.llbean.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-61607U1000L100S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:17:21 -0500 Received: by mail2.llbean.com; id SAA02231; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:13:53 -0500 Received: from unknown(172.21.9.53) by mail2.llbean.com via smap (V5.5) id xmaduj624; Thu, 30 Nov 00 17:27:37 -0500 From: orders@llbean.com Message-Id: <200011302313.SAA02231@mail2.llbean.com> To: Reply-To: Date: Thu, Nov 30, 2000 20:29:29 +0000 Subject: Your L.L.Bean order has shipped Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 3080 My "From " line is re-written so my mesages is not from the sender, but from me!? What is that? -johnj From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:46:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id OAA32742; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA26820; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:46:51 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA41270; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:45:23 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA271172 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:38:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA184900; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:37:56 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:37:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: not getting announcements In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Arthur Snoke X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Arthur Snoke wrote: > I never got an announcement about 4.30 or about 4.31. I see 4.31 is now > out because it was mentioned in a note to this list, which is the only > pine list I subscribe to. > > Am I asleep at the wheel or is there another list? Seems like it should > go to the discussion list. I think it did in the past. I'm not sure why you didn't receive the message, but it was indeed sent to this list (pine-info@u.washington.edu). Here's an excerpt of the announcement's headers: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:28 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine 4.31 now available MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: PINE-ANNOUNCE-owner@u.washington.edu X-To: Pine Announcement List X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:52:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id OAA31451; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA22513; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:52:00 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA31070; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:50:07 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA79580 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:40:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA25882; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:39:50 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:39:50 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE and Windows. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Piotr Martyniuk X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Piotr Martyniuk wrote: > How to using PINE in Windows systems if I have modem and no pernament connection > to the internet? > > Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed > previously and disconnect? > > If there no direct way to achieve this directly from PINE maybe is another > program for windows which do this work? Check out Nancy's page on using Pine offline: http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#offline It's not something Pine was designed to do (although it may become a feature at some point), but there are ways to make it work (as Nancy's page describes quite well). -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:53:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id OAA28496; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA22551; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:53:07 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA42642; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:51:22 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA32538 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:43:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA133848; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:43:34 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:43:34 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Folder format woes ... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: John Johnston X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, John Johnston wrote: > saving a message to a folder has changed. for example, In the > "old days" a saved message into one of my folders would look > like the following: > > >From aloysen@leland.Stanford.EDU Thu Jan 6 14:58 EST 2000 > Now ... > > >From joanna@peas.welch.jhu.edu Thu Nov 30 18:15:00 2000 -0500 > My "From " line is re-written so my mesages is not from the > sender, but from me!? What is that? Don't worry about that line. It's just used as a seperator, and has no other use. The real From: line is farther down, and starts with "From:", not ">From". -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:20:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id PAA26542; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA27975; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:20:18 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA09966; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:18:52 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA137434 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:18:03 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA05633; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:18:03 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA477287; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:18:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:18:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: not getting announcements In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Scott Leibrand (leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu) wrote in the pine-info...: :) On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Arthur Snoke wrote: :) :) > I never got an announcement about 4.30 or about 4.31. I see 4.31 is now :) > out because it was mentioned in a note to this list, which is the only :) > pine list I subscribe to. :) > :) > Am I asleep at the wheel or is there another list? Seems like it should :) > go to the discussion list. I think it did in the past. :) :) I'm not sure why you didn't receive the message, but it was indeed sent to :) this list (pine-info@u.washington.edu). Here's an excerpt of the :) announcement's headers: Now that this has become an issue, I have sometimes missed mail from this list. I had a reply sent by Mark Crispin to me and the list, which only made it to me in my personal e-mail, not to the list. I filter my incoming mail with procmail, and I have reasons to believe that the filtering is done correctly, so I do not understand why I actually do not have any messages from him in my pine-info folder (unless he hasn't posted to the list lately) which I believe is very strange. Is anyone else having problems out there besides Arthur and I? -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:51:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id PAA07787; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA24593; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:51:48 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA18358; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:50:20 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA92996 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:48:51 -0800 Received: from beldaren.yaron.org (IDENT:qmailr@beldaren.yaron.org [206.147.104.200]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA21722 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:48:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 28359 invoked by uid 15); 7 Dec 2000 23:48:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 23:48:47 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:48:47 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Yaron To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine 4.3x and simap In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, Yey! Pine finally has built-in SSL so I don't need to use stunnel anymore! Except it doesn't work. When I try to connect to {tiger/imap/ssl}INBOX (which is running IMAP2000) Pine regocnises the self-signed cert, and they says "Can't establish SSL session to tiger/imaps,993" No other info is given, even with pine -d imap=4. On the mail server it says: Dec 6 21:54:51 Tiger imapd[11991]: imaps alternative service init from UNKNOWN Dec 6 21:54:51 Tiger imapd[11991]: Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? host=UNKNOWN Can anyone help? TIA, -Yaron -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:32:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA13065; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA09675; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:32:36 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id GAA33038; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:29:42 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA105662 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:27:36 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA23579 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:27:22 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (cactus.sonytel.be [193.74.243.97]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00725 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:27:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:27:09 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Piotr Martyniuk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PINE 4.31 or 4.21? Whats the different? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi! I change my pine from 4.21 to 4.31 and I still have this same problem. PINE won't search my all folders in collection using TAB key. Previously, when I useded pine under Linux machine (v4.21), after first run and without any additional settings this kay work fine - I can folowed from one new message to another, even if this messages (mails) been in other directores. Now, when I started using recompiled version of Pine on Sun machine, this key only work in one directory in colection. If I go to the last "new" message in this directory PINE says " [No more new messages in folder]" and they don't want jump to next directory in this collection. This option still work under Linux on PC, but not work under Solaris on Sun. What's wrong with this "Solaris" version of PINE? Regards Murphy --------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ e-mail: GaduGadu: #297149 ^ ^ | ^ piotr@sonycom.com ^ | ^ | | | murph@free.polbox.pl | | | |/|\| murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl |/|\| | http://www.mxp.w3.pl/klub/murphy.html | | Everything is possible - this is only a question of time | --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:14:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id HAA26898; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA10519; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:14:28 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA30032; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:13:16 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA232114 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:12:35 -0800 Received: from skippy.hhnt.org.uk (skippy.hhnt.org.uk [193.32.22.91]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA28265 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:12:33 -0800 Received: from agent-cxh (unverified) by skippy.hhnt.org.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:30:08 +0000 Received: from HHT-Message_Server by agent-cxh with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:12:24 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:12:17 +0000 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Bridget Nichols" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: -attachlist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, some questions regarding the -attachlist flag :- Is there a maximum number of files that can be sent with -attachlist? Is there any restriction on the format of files sent with -attachlist, eg. = file-name, filename2, file_name? many thanks, Bridget ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and=20 intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they =20 are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify=20 your email system administrator. 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You should never send more than 3 Mb in one email. -- Best Regards, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- Find freeware for Windows at http://strongsignals.com http://NWOregonaRadio.netfirms.com/ A site covering radio topics. ------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:23:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA31038; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA18453; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:23:06 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA17946; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:21:31 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA105590 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:17:17 -0800 Received: from usceast.cs.sc.edu (usceast.cs.sc.edu [129.252.11.9]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA31450 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:17:16 -0800 Received: from regulus.cs.sc.edu (regulus.cs.sc.edu [129.252.130.114]) by usceast.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA52010 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (gopalan@localhost) by regulus.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03055 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:17:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:17:15 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: -attachlist In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: regulus.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Bridget Nichols wrote: > Is there a maximum number of files that can be sent with -attachlist? Your shell may impose restrictions on the length of the command-line, even if you use wildcards (which are expanded before being passed to the program). I think tcsh doesn't have any restrictions. -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cse.sc.edu http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:09:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA01060; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:09:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA08287; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:09:06 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA18700; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:07:33 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA107210 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:47 -0800 Received: from nak.blaze.ca (root@021pm3-38.blaze.ca [204.239.157.92]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA11692 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (thok@localhost) by nak.blaze.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBAD37i00296 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:08 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:07 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ron Poulton To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: HMMM. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: nak.blaze.ca: thok owned process doing -bs X-Sender: thok@nak.blaze.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN HI. I have the domain "thok.net", and unless I specify EMail addresses to be forwarded to other accounts, all EMail to thok.net gets sent to me. What I'd like to be able to have is the Reply-To set to whatever the To field was set to. Example: "thok at technologist.com" is my primary forwarding address to a POP3 box. If someone sends a piece of EMail to "comment at thok.net", I want that EMail forwarded to "thok at technologist.com", but if I reply to it, it'll set the From: and Reply-To: headers to "comment at thok.net". Confused? Me too! -- Ron Poulton Caffeinate. EMail: thok at technologist.com Code. Web: http://www.thok.net Compute. Hackers do it with obfuscation! -- The [Ford Foundation] is a large body of money completely surrounded by people who want some. -- Dwight MacDonald -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.12 GCS dpu s+:++ a- C++++ UL++ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N+ o-- K- w-- O M-- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t 5++ X- R- tv+ b+++ DI+ D---- G e* h r* y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:34:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA01003; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA08681; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:34:57 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA42622; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:33:42 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA90972 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:30:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA202118; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:29:57 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:29:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HMMM. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ron Poulton X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:07 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) First of all, I'd fix that... > What I'd like to be able to have is the Reply-To set to whatever the > To field was set to. Example: This can't be done automatically for every possible To: field, but you can use Roles to do it for specific addresses such as "comment at thok.net". To do so, you'll need a relatively recent version of Pine. I'd recommend 4.31, but 4.21 would work as well. Create a role whose pattern is the To: field, and set the role's From: field to be that same address. You'll have to create one role for each address you want to do that for. And BTW, the Reply-to: header is not necessary if it'd be the same as the From: header. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:41:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id PAA12810; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA13672; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:41:17 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA09826; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:39:39 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA105642 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:35:38 -0800 Received: from localhost.edlund.org (m96.ryd.student.liu.se [130.236.214.96]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA20321 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:35:36 -0800 Received: by localhost.edlund.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 700C14113A; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:35:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.edlund.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE93141139 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:35:31 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:35:31 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Henrik Edlund To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: INBOX check bug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I am experiencing this when I have an empty INBOX. When I new message arrives Pine does not notice it. Even if I press Ctrl-L to force a check nothing happends. I have to quit Pine and start it again in order to get it to see the message. It works great when there are already other messages in the INBOX. I have experienced this in at least Pine 4.20, 4.30, and 4.31. I am running on a Linux system with glibc 2.1 (Mandrake 6.1). -- Henrik Edlund (HE2914-RIPE) http://www.edlund.org/ "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes." Leia Organa of Alderaan, Senator -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:33:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id SAA15749; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA13594; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:33:16 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id SAA20550; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:31:57 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA149662 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:28:35 -0800 Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA26641 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:28:34 -0800 Received: from gnu.uvm.edu (gnu.uvm.edu [132.198.101.64]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA124162 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:28:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (ashawley@localhost) by gnu.uvm.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA184562 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:28:32 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:28:32 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Aaron S. Hawley" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: INBOX check bug In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: gnu.uvm.edu: ashawley owned process doing -bs X-Sender: ashawley@gnu.uvm.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN are you accessing your inbox using the pop3 protocol? then you might be asking an faq: http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.5 On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Henrik Edlund wrote: > I am experiencing this when I have an empty INBOX. > > When I new message arrives Pine does not notice it. Even if I press Ctrl-L > to force a check nothing happends. I have to quit Pine and start it again > in order to get it to see the message. > > It works great when there are already other messages in the INBOX. > > I have experienced this in at least Pine 4.20, 4.30, and 4.31. I am > running on a Linux system with glibc 2.1 (Mandrake 6.1). From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:35:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id CAA04086; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA24279; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:35:47 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id CAA31176; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:34:33 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA368390 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:30:48 -0800 Received: from localhost.edlund.org (m96.ryd.student.liu.se [130.236.214.96]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA26358 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:30:46 -0800 Received: by localhost.edlund.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4AD0D4113A; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:30:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.edlund.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AC141139; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:30:42 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:30:42 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Henrik Edlund To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: INBOX check bug In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Aaron S. Hawley" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN No, I am accessing a local inbox. Config: inbox-path=~/mail/incoming/INBOX On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Aaron S. Hawley wrote: > are you accessing your inbox using the pop3 protocol? then you might be > asking an faq: > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.5 > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Henrik Edlund wrote: > > > I am experiencing this when I have an empty INBOX. > > > > When I new message arrives Pine does not notice it. Even if I press Ctrl-L > > to force a check nothing happends. I have to quit Pine and start it again > > in order to get it to see the message. > > > > It works great when there are already other messages in the INBOX. > > > > I have experienced this in at least Pine 4.20, 4.30, and 4.31. I am > > running on a Linux system with glibc 2.1 (Mandrake 6.1). > > -- Henrik Edlund (HE2914-RIPE) http://www.edlund.org/ "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes." Leia Organa of Alderaan, Senator From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:29:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id BAA16251; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA23014; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:29:21 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id BAA34636; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:28:16 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA91102 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:24:51 -0800 Received: from vger.timpanogas.org (IDENT:root@vger.timpanogas.org [207.109.151.240]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA09889 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:24:51 -0800 Received: from asdf.capslock.lan (SSMarie-ppp129065.sympatico.ca [209.226.190.184]) by vger.timpanogas.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08090 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by asdf.capslock.lan (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBC9PcP21076 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:25:38 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:25:37 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Overriding Makefile vars from the commandline. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: asdf.capslock.lan: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'd like to override some of the Makefile vars from the commandline.. Looking in the build script it appears possible, but I'd like to know if my args will _override_ vars in the Makefiles... Also, being new to the code, what is the easiest way of adding an extra include line to the compiler flags? PINE 4.31 won't build with ssl support on Red Hat 7.0 because it doesn't seem to look in /usr/include/openssl for headers... I was going to add -I/usr/include/openssl, but I'm not sure the best place to put it. TIA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Open source advocate This message is copyright 2000, all rights reserved. Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Windows 95(n) - 32-bit extensions and graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:26:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id CAA29243; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA26869; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:26:40 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id CAA10002; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:25:40 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA167826 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:23:41 -0800 Received: from nak.blaze.ca (043pm3-38.blaze.ca [204.239.157.114]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA27913; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:23:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (thok@localhost) by nak.blaze.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBC2JqL13294; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:19:58 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ron Poulton To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HMMM. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-Authentication-Warning: nak.blaze.ca: thok owned process doing -bs X-Sender: thok@nak.blaze.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: > > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:07 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) > > First of all, I'd fix that... Already done. Just had to copy (or link) /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT to /etc/localtime. Still learnin'! (See http://nak.ourstudents.md for some info on what that above time zone problem led to. Too funny. ;) > > What I'd like to be able to have is the Reply-To set to whatever the > > To field was set to. Example: > > This can't be done automatically for every possible To: field, but you can > use Roles to do it for specific addresses such as "comment at thok.net". > To do so, you'll need a relatively recent version of Pine. I'd recommend > 4.31, but 4.21 would work as well. Create a role whose pattern is the To: > field, and set the role's From: field to be that same address. You'll > have to create one role for each address you want to do that for. And > BTW, the Reply-to: header is not necessary if it'd be the same as the > From: header. Every EMail to 'thok.net' gets forwarded to this EMail account unless I specify otherwise (i.e. I could have "sunman at thok.net" forwarded to my brother's POP3 account). I need are some select pieces of forwarded EMail stored in a specific folder. That's easy enough with filtering. I accomplished what you set forth in your response, however a response to it results in the From: AND the To: field containing "comment at thok.net", instead of "From: comment at thok.net" and "To: thok at technologist.com". Sounds like this is a tad more complex than I realized. > > -- > Scott Leibrand > leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand > * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * > -- Ron Poulton Caffeinate. EMail: thok at technologist.com Code. Web: http://www.thok.net Compute. Insane in the brain! -- The Killer Ducks are coming!!! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:28:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id CAA23048; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA26894; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:28:35 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id CAA16220; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:27:36 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA335302 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:26:05 -0800 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (host156.207-175-42.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA13874 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:26:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBCAQ3L29556; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:26:03 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:26:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Bug in pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Cc: X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN The file pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c contains an MSDOS CRLF character (^L) or 0x0c embedded in it just immediately after the opening comment. Most likely someone edited this file with an MSDOS/Windows editor and committed the change. ;o( I wonder how many more files may be affected.. Using the Linux "joe" editor, the CTRL-L character stands out clearly. -- Mike A. Harris Mailing address: OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave. Red Hat Inc. Sault Ste. Marie, (705)949-2136 Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:33:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id CAA08968; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA24198; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:33:35 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id CAA34778; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:33:09 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA386180 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:31:45 -0800 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (host156.207-175-42.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA14300 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:31:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBCAVhc29888; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:31:43 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:31:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Bug in pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Cc: X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote: >The file pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c contains an >MSDOS CRLF character (^L) or 0x0c embedded in it just immediately >after the opening comment. Most likely someone edited this file >with an MSDOS/Windows editor and committed the change. ;o( > >I wonder how many more files may be affected.. > >Using the Linux "joe" editor, the CTRL-L character stands out >clearly. I hate to reply to myself, but... I just examined numerous files and many files in the PINE sources contain a single CRLF after the initial comment in the file. Not all files, but a lot of them. Looks like someone used Windows "mass search and replace" type of software of some sort. -- Mike A. Harris Mailing address: OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave. Red Hat Inc. Sault Ste. Marie, (705)949-2136 Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:15:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id EAA22415; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA26347; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:15:02 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id EAA08844; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:13:55 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA335212 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:12:10 -0800 Received: from ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de [194.95.66.3]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA20470 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:12:03 -0800 Received: from ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (rr-2s01.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de [194.95.66.2]) by ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04220 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:12:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from [10.110.1.10] (helo=pc-2m10.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de) by ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 145oHt-0007Kv-00 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:12:05 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:10:09 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steffen Kaiser To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Bug in pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: skaise2a@rr-2s01a.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >The file pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c contains an > >MSDOS CRLF character (^L) or 0x0c embedded in it just immediately > >after the opening comment. Most likely someone edited this file > >with an MSDOS/Windows editor and committed the change. ;o( > > > >I wonder how many more files may be affected.. > > > >Using the Linux "joe" editor, the CTRL-L character stands out > >clearly. > > I hate to reply to myself, but... I just examined numerous files > and many files in the PINE sources contain a single CRLF after > the initial comment in the file. Not all files, but a lot of > them. Looks like someone used Windows "mass search and replace" > type of software of some sort. Hmm, ^L is not a CRLF, as you can see in an ASCII spec: CR == 0xd '\r' ^M "Carrage Return" LF == 0xa '\n' ^J "Line Feed" FF == 0xc '\f' ^L "Form Feed" It's common practice for people, who print C files by, say, "cat source.c >/dev/lp" or "copy source.c LPT", to include such characters to format the output. The fact that it appears "just immediately after the opening comment" supports this idea, because a FF at this position will cause that: 1) the initial comment stands on the very first page alone, and 2) the real code starts on its own page. Some source code formatters add a FF behind each function therefore. The C spec defines that any control character except \n is interpreted as whitespace/blank except in string constants. Bye, -- Steffen Kaiser From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:12:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA24266; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA01302; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:12:53 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA15952; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:11:25 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA335172 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:10:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA148556; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:09:22 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:09:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HMMM. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ron Poulton X-Cc: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote: > I accomplished what you set forth in your response, however a response > to it results in the From: AND the To: field containing "comment at thok.net", > instead of "From: comment at thok.net" and "To: thok at technologist.com". > > Sounds like this is a tad more complex than I realized. Perhaps you need to add one or more of your other addresses to alt-addresses in Main, Setup, Config. If that doesn't fix it, please explain again who sends what where and how it gets forwarded to your different accounts. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:26:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA30960; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA31349; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:26:23 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA13240; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:24:42 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA170768 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:23:51 -0800 Received: from peas.welch.jhu.edu (peas.welch.jhu.edu [162.129.68.12]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA14796; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:23:50 -0800 Received: from localhost by peas.welch.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02135; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:21:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:21:35 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: John Johnston To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Folder format woes ... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Don't worry about that line. It's just used as a seperator, and has no > other use. The real From: line is farther down, and starts with "From:", > not ">From". But it does matter or I would not have queried :-) The issue with this "feature" is that interaction with the folder with mailx program is now hosed. Using mailx for example, with this "feature" present, it appears that all the messages in the folder are from the user, versus the recipient. Bad bad bad, I need help correcting this before the users start exploding! Is there additional technical help that might know what the feature or variable is called? Many thanks, -johnj From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:58:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA20298; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA18412; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:58:52 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA19586; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:57:32 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA367364 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:56:19 -0800 Received: from vger.timpanogas.org (IDENT:root@vger.timpanogas.org [207.109.151.240]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA27934 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:56:19 -0800 Received: from asdf.capslock.lan (SSMarie-ppp129065.sympatico.ca [209.226.190.184]) by vger.timpanogas.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12214; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:52:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by asdf.capslock.lan (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBCEqk127994; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:52:46 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:52:46 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Bug in pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: asdf.capslock.lan: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Steffen Kaiser wrote: >> I hate to reply to myself, but... I just examined numerous files >> and many files in the PINE sources contain a single CRLF after >> the initial comment in the file. Not all files, but a lot of >> them. Looks like someone used Windows "mass search and replace" >> type of software of some sort. > >Hmm, ^L is not a CRLF, as you can see in an ASCII spec: >CR == 0xd '\r' ^M "Carrage Return" >LF == 0xa '\n' ^J "Line Feed" >FF == 0xc '\f' ^L "Form Feed" duh.. brain fart on my part there. ;o) I don't know how I mixed up FF and CR. I guess I jumped to conclusion without thinking too clearly there. >It's common practice for people, who print C files by, say, "cat source.c >>/dev/lp" or "copy source.c LPT", to include such characters to format the >output. Hmmm.. I never encountered that before. >The fact that it appears "just immediately after the opening comment" >supports this idea, because a FF at this position will cause that: >1) the initial comment stands on the very first page alone, and >2) the real code starts on its own page. >Some source code formatters add a FF behind each function therefore. Yes, it appears that way. >The C spec defines that any control character except \n is interpreted as >whitespace/blank except in string constants. Having never in 7 years encountered FF's in C source you must understand my willingness to blame my failed build on them. ;o) Funny enough, the build succeeded after removing the initial one I found... I'll have to look at it more closely in case I did a double whammy on myself... Thanks for the info. TTYL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Open source advocate This message is copyright 2000, all rights reserved. Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Mike A. Harris Linux tip #1 - 50 line mode] Is the 80x25 line screen too small for you? If you want more screen real estate, you can set 50 column mode by editing your /etc/lilo.conf file, and adding a new line with "vga=ext" to the global section near the top. Save and exit, then run "lilo". Next time you boot, you'll have a nice big 80x50 screen. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:01:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA09664; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA18585; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:01:56 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA18724; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:00:13 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA75286 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:56:22 -0800 Received: from vger.timpanogas.org (IDENT:root@vger.timpanogas.org [207.109.151.240]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA05491 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:56:21 -0800 Received: from asdf.capslock.lan (SSMarie-ppp129065.sympatico.ca [209.226.190.184]) by vger.timpanogas.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12211; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:52:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by asdf.capslock.lan (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBCEie427965; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:44:41 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:44:40 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Overriding Makefile vars from the commandline. In-Reply-To: <20001212151110.A13965@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Stefan Vacek X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: asdf.capslock.lan: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Stefan Vacek wrote: >On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 04:25:37AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: >> I'd like to override some of the Makefile vars from the >> commandline.. >> >> Looking in the build script it appears possible, but I'd like to >> know if my args will _override_ vars in the Makefiles... >> >> Also, being new to the code, what is the easiest way of adding an >> extra include line to the compiler flags? PINE 4.31 won't build >> with ssl support on Red Hat 7.0 because it doesn't seem to look >> in /usr/include/openssl for headers... >I changed imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile.ssl to set things right. I'm not sure what you mean by that. I've got the PINE 4.31 source, and it doesn't build without the my Red Hat openssl patch being applied. It hits imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile.ssl and auth_ssl.c. If I'm missing something, please clue me in. ;o) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Open source advocate This message is copyright 2000, all rights reserved. Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fun thing to do as root, in the root directory: chmod -R 666 * Just as bad as rm -rf *, but more fun. "The files are all there, but I can't do anything with them!" And you can't change permissions, since chmod isn't executable either. :-) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:06:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id DAA07986; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA30872; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:06:05 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id DAA28944; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:05:02 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA77814 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:01:35 -0800 Received: from nak.blaze.ca (root@009pm3-38.blaze.ca [204.239.157.80]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA26200; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:01:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (thok@localhost) by nak.blaze.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBD2wEF21637; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:58:15 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ron Poulton To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HMMM. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: nak.blaze.ca: thok owned process doing -bs X-Sender: thok@nak.blaze.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote: > > > I accomplished what you set forth in your response, however a response > > to it results in the From: AND the To: field containing "comment at thok.net", > > instead of "From: comment at thok.net" and "To: thok at technologist.com". > > > > Sounds like this is a tad more complex than I realized. > > Perhaps you need to add one or more of your other addresses to > alt-addresses in Main, Setup, Config. If that doesn't fix it, please > explain again who sends what where and how it gets forwarded to your > different accounts. I'll explain anyway. The forwarding at thok.net and iname.com together tends to be pretty slow. 1) user sends EMail to "comments at thok.net" 2) I receive the EMail in my personal pop3 INBOX 3) I respond to the EMail 4) The From: address shows up as "comments at thok.net" in their EMail I understand that I will have to apply this to each EMail address I wish to set up as such. There are two primary uses I have for this: A) Software and Website support (each program will have its own EMail response address, such as "bobsg at thok.net" B) EMail address tracking, where I can see if any companies are selling my EMail address (or just plain giving it) to other companies not authorized to have it Filtering is simple enough, if need be. Generally I just accept each EMail in my INBOX anyway and store it in the appropriate folder. I'd also like to know if there's a way to 'categorize' folders - that is, separate the folder listing. I don't want to deal with subfolders, but to have, for example: [Personal] personal sent-mail humour [Website] hosting support software And so forth. Or am I expecting too much all at once? . -- Ron Poulton Caffeinate. EMail: thok at technologist.com Code. Web: http://www.thok.net Compute. May the source be with you! -- One seldom sees a monument to a committee. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:17:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id EAA20413; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA32656; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:17:10 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id EAA43538; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:15:45 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA384020 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:13:34 -0800 Received: from mail1.arnet.com.ar (host000004.arnet.net.ar [200.45.0.4]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA07331 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:13:33 -0800 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([200.45.57.164]) by mail1.arnet.com.ar with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:13:22 -0300 Received: from localhost (gpirujo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00388 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:03:01 -0300 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:03:01 -0300 (ART) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Guillermo Pereyra Irujo To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: maildir and bugs detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Trying to know if pine supports qmail's maildir, I searched pine's site and I found nothing, even though some pages around the web say that it does from version 4.10 on. =BFCould you confirm this or at least tell me where could I find that info? Apart from that, some days ago my pine had a weird behavior in some situations, which I though it was a bug. Some days after I realized that the buggy one was me, but I spent some time looking for the list of bugs detected to know if they knew of it or not, and I couldn't find it, if there is one. Again, =BFcould you tell me where to find this or where to look for it? Thank you a lot. -- Guillermo Pereyra Irujo mailto:gpirujo@bigfoot.com _________________________________________________________________ Durante m=E1s de 10 a=F1os, las empresas de telefon=EDa que tuvieron el monopolio del mercado argentino cobraron tarifas abusivas a sus usuarios. Ahora que puede elegir, no lo olvide. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:29:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id EAA17538; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA00450; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:29:20 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id EAA28174; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:28:08 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA111002 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:26:20 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA31751 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:26:18 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (cactus.sonytel.be [193.74.243.97]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13453 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:26:15 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:26:15 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Piotr Martyniuk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: "incoming-archive-folders" - wow it work? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi! I try to set this feature to automaticly move all my read messages from first specified directory to second, for example: incoming-archive-folders = /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test-arch and also select option: [ Advanced User Preferences ] [ ] allow-talk [ ] assume-slow-link [X] auto-move-read-msgs and this doesn't work. If some new message arrive to "test" folder and when I read this message then they don't want to move from "test" to "test-arch". What I should set more for force this option to work? Regards Murphy --------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ e-mail: ^ ^ | ^ piotr@sonycom.com ^ | ^ | | | murph@free.polbox.pl | | | |/|\| murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl |/|\| | http://www.mxp.scena.pl/klub/murphy.html | | Everything is possible - this is only a question of time | --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:27:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id FAA22995; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA31637; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:27:57 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id FAA42358; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:26:48 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA219560 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:25:02 -0800 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (host156.207-175-42.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA27407 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:25:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBDDOtZ17264; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:24:55 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:24:55 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Bug in pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c #001212@02:26:16.4270 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: , X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Mark Crispin wrote: >> The file pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c contains an >> MSDOS CRLF character (^L) or 0x0c embedded in it just immediately >> after the opening comment. Most likely someone edited this file >> with an MSDOS/Windows editor and committed the change. ;o( > >For your information, a CTRL/L character is a Form Feed, not a CRLF. >It causes the printer to eject the page and start a new one. Yes, as I said already.. I fell asleep at the wheel there.. ;o) >The c-client files have many CTRL/Ls in them. If you notice, these >characters tend to be at obvious places where you would break page in a >listing. > >Also, when using EMACS narrow-to-page, they also constitute fairly obvious >pages. Again, I've never seen FF's in source code before so I had jumped to conclusion as I thought it was a single glitch rather than a multiple intended "feature" if you will.. I wasn't aware FF's were legal. Thanks for the clarification. -- Mike A. Harris Mailing address: OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave. Red Hat Inc. Sault Ste. Marie, (705)949-2136 Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:44:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id HAA03184; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA02026; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:44:51 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA17318; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:43:50 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id HAA220122 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:43:01 -0800 Received: from m12.boston.juno.com (m12.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.75]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA15302 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:43:00 -0800 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"8acBbvM7uHVHcGTugSU3tekGacJe56W4Q/aFJRhUECC2yUa48iDZew=="> Received: (from awesome-dave1@juno.com) by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FQ69VGY2; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:42:16 EST Message-Id: <20001213.104226.-146921.1.awesome-dave1@juno.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:41:54 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: awesome-dave1@juno.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: changing from line? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, Does anyone know the cintax for the extra pine feature to change the from address? I thought it was change-from-address, but I got some weird behavior from pine when I put that in. Thanks. Dave. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:30:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA23543; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA03243; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:30:49 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA35822; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:29:21 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id IAA194684 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:27:30 -0800 Received: from postfix.wirehub.nl (postfix.wirehub.nl [195.86.128.23]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA18237 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:27:29 -0800 Received: from ben.wirehub.nl (ben.wirehub.nl [195.86.25.13]) by postfix.wirehub.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FF9AC1C9B for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:27:28 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <9q8f3t0napa7h4i1g2b6ob943m01smfehn@postfix.wirehub.nl> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:27:28 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Ben C.O.Grimm" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: changing from line? In-Reply-To: <9185lr$119m$1@thor.wirehub.nl> References: <9185lr$119m$1@thor.wirehub.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 13 Dec 2000 16:47:07 +0100, awesome-dave1@juno.com wrote: > Does anyone know the cintax for the extra pine feature to change the > from address? I thought it was change-from-address, but I got some weird > behavior from pine when I put that in. It's allow-changing-from, under your feature-list in pinerc. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:08:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA03922; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA12756; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:08:47 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id NAA20442; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:07:23 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id NAA82366 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:05:15 -0800 Received: from ns.shellworld.net (ns.shellworld.net [64.29.16.176]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA14945 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:05:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (ka3agm@localhost) by ns.shellworld.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15194 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:05:10 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:05:10 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Walt Smith To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: What to put into my .pinerc file In-Reply-To: <9q8f3t0napa7h4i1g2b6ob943m01smfehn@postfix.wirehub.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN What's the correct syntax for a line to place into my .pinerc file on my Unix shell to keep those &%!^# .pine-debug files from appearing? I know the command line syntax is pine -d 0 but I currently have Debug=0 in my .pinerc file and this doesn't work. -- Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC ka3agm@ns.shellworld.net -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA00071; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA13205; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:21:55 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id NAA03800; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:20:42 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id NAA90952 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:18:52 -0800 Received: from usceast.cs.sc.edu (usceast.cs.sc.edu [129.252.11.9]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA29277 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:18:51 -0800 Received: from pearl.cs.sc.edu (pearl.cs.sc.edu [129.252.130.40]) by usceast.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03618 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (gopalan@localhost) by pearl.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00961 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:18:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:18:38 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: What to put into my .pinerc file In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: pearl.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Walt Smith wrote: > What's the correct syntax for a line to place into my .pinerc file > on my Unix shell to keep those &%!^# .pine-debug files from > appearing? I believe it is a compile-time directive. You may be out of luck. > I know the command line syntax Then why don't you set up an alias in your .login file to do it? -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cse.sc.edu http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:25:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA02297; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA15710; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:25:42 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id NAA18802; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:24:15 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id NAA82260 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:13 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA30058 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:12 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA235781; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:11 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: What to put into my .pinerc file In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Walt Smith X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Walt Smith (ka3agm@ns.shellworld.net) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) What's the correct syntax for a line to place into my .pinerc file on my :) Unix shell to keep those &%!^# .pine-debug files from appearing? As you point out, there is no way to do it from the .pinerc file, the only recommendation I can give you is to alias the command "pine" to be "pine -d 0" and delete all .pine-debug files. They won't be recreated after that. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:28:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id PAA04934; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA17329; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:28:33 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id PAA03676; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:27:11 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id PAA148494 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:25:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id PAA135088; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:25:00 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:25:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: maildir and bugs detected In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Guillermo Pereyra Irujo X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Guillermo Pereyra Irujo wrote: > Trying to know if pine supports qmail's maildir, I searched pine's site > and I found nothing, even though some pages around the web say that it > does from version 4.10 on. =BFCould you confirm this or at least tell me > where could I find that info? Pine does not support maildir without a patch. Doing a Google search for "pine maildir patch" brought up http://www.flounder.net/qmail/, which has such a patch. > Apart from that, some days ago my pine had a weird behavior in some > situations, which I though it was a bug. Some days after I realized that > the buggy one was me, but I spent some time looking for the list of bugs > detected to know if they knew of it or not, and I couldn't find it, if > there is one. Again, =BFcould you tell me where to find this or where to > look for it? No one maintains a public list of Pine bugs, because if it's acknowledged as a bug by the Pine team, then they fix it in the next release. In the meantime, they often post patches for known bugs on comp.mail.pine or this forum. This usually only occurs for the first release after adding new features, i.e. 4.20 or 4.30. Pine 4.21 and 4.31, by contrast, were released relatively quickly with fixes for the bugs found in 4.20 and 4.30. --=20 Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:07:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id SAA08868; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA21802; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:07:17 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id SAA15996; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:05:42 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id SAA166676 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:04:38 -0800 Received: from nak.blaze.ca (root@012pm3-38.blaze.ca [204.239.157.83]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA28615; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:04:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (thok@localhost) by nak.blaze.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBDI1VQ30303; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:01:31 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:01:30 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ron Poulton To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HMMM. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-Authentication-Warning: nak.blaze.ca: thok owned process doing -bs X-Sender: thok@nak.blaze.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Okay, here's what's set up right now (yes, I used the AT symbol for EMail addresses ;): Role "comments at thok.net" (named it that for sake of reference): - To pattern is set to "comments at thok.net" - Current folder type is "Email" - Initialize settings using rule: - Set From: "THoK.Net Comments " - Set Signature: ".thoknetsig" - Reply Use: With Confirmation - Forward Use: With Confirmation - Compose Use: Never That's it. Now, what happens: - I get the EMail - "From:" is set to "Ron Poulton " - "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net" - I reply to it and - "From:" is set to "THoK.Net Comments " - "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net" instead of the originator of the EMail So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton ". -- Ron Poulton Caffeinate. EMail: thok at technologist.com Code. Web: http://www.thok.net Compute. "Are you special, too, daddy?" "YEAH, and I'm DOPE." -- Who needs friends when you can sit alone in your room and drink? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:34:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id SAA14133; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA22346; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:34:05 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id SAA08632; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:32:44 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id SAA227084 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:31:27 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA16776 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:31:27 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA265079; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:31:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:31:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HMMM. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ron Poulton X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Ron Poulton (thok@technologist.com) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton ". The Problem is that Pine is always thinking that is is "Ron Poulton" who is answering the e-mail, not "comments at thok.net" who is answering, after all you have your role in the Ron Poulton account, not in the comments account. Because of this Pine will NOT add you to your list of addresses to reply and will use the comments account to reply to (very few people reply to e-mails that they write to themselves). In order to force Pine to write the "Ron Poulton" account in the To: field, when replying to this e-mail you will need to add the address "comments @ thok.net" to your alt-addresses list in your configuration, and then Pine will realize that when replying to that e-mail you won't be "Ron Poulton" but "comments @ thok.net". Does that make sense? -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:38:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id SAA21038; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA22423; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:38:52 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id SAA28074; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:37:16 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id SAA91100 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:36:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id SAA129368; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:36:33 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:36:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HMMM. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ron Poulton X-Cc: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote: > That's it. Now, what happens: > > - I get the EMail > - "From:" is set to "Ron Poulton " > - "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net" > > - I reply to it and > - "From:" is set to "THoK.Net Comments " > - "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net" instead of the originator > of the EMail > > So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton at technologist.com>". That is strange. I've never seen this behavior from Pine before, so I'm inclined to think there's some sort of a problem with the headers of the forwarded message. Here are a couple things I'd do, if Eduardo's suggestion doesn't work: - Try sending a message From: Ron Poulton , To: comments at thok.net, and Bcc: your "real" address (where it'd get forwarded). Try replying to both the forwarded copy and the Bcc'd copy and see if there's any difference between them. - View the full headers of a forwarded message and see what kind of extra junk the forwarding system added. A properly forwarded message should only contain a couple extra Received: lines - nothing else should be changed or added. If you want, you could also send me/us a copy of the full headers so we can see if there's anything unusual. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:35:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id TAA10814; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA23511; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:35:26 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id TAA20214; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:34:02 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id TAA194746 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:33:11 -0800 Received: from nak.blaze.ca (root@012pm3-38.blaze.ca [204.239.157.83]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA03900; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:33:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (thok@localhost) by nak.blaze.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBDJU1t31345; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:30:02 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:30:01 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ron Poulton To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HMMM. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-Authentication-Warning: nak.blaze.ca: thok owned process doing -bs X-Sender: thok@nak.blaze.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: > That is strange. I've never seen this behavior from Pine before, so I'm > inclined to think there's some sort of a problem with the headers of the > forwarded message. Here are a couple things I'd do, if Eduardo's > suggestion doesn't work: Already had the alt-addresses set up, including "comments @ thok.net". > - Try sending a message From: Ron Poulton , > To: comments at thok.net, and Bcc: your "real" address (where it'd get > forwarded). Try replying to both the forwarded copy and the Bcc'd copy > and see if there's any difference between them. Would this be my POP3 account that I'd toss in BCC? > - View the full headers of a forwarded message and see what kind of extra > junk the forwarding system added. A properly forwarded message should > only contain a couple extra Received: lines - nothing else should be > changed or added. If you want, you could also send me/us a copy of the > full headers so we can see if there's anything unusual. Sent you the full header. I have no idea what I'm looking for, being a newbie to this part of the process. ;) > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * What's that "$500 per message" thing all about? -- Ron Poulton Caffeinate. EMail: thok at technologist.com Code. Web: http://www.thok.net Compute. "Are you special, too, daddy?" "YEAH, and I'm DOPE." -- Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. -- Alvy Ray Smith From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:13:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id DAA25377; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA31764; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:13:42 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id DAA16960; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:12:42 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id DAA25336 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:10:54 -0800 Received: from castor.uni-trier.de (castor.uni-trier.de [136.199.53.240]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA14300 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:10:52 -0800 Received: from infcip16.uni-trier.de (port 28928 of root@infcip16.uni-trier.de [136.199.53.16]) by castor.uni-trier.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA02134 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:10:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (port 0 of kremer@localhost) by infcip16.uni-trier.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Client.1.0) with ESMTP id MAA22687 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:10:49 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:10:49 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Markus Kremer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: german umlaute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, every time i press a german umlaute key pine prompts [ Unknown Command ]. Can i configure pine to use german umlaute correctely? When i use vi as editor i can write with the german special keys, but then the character set it set to X-UNKNOWN and many mail clients complain about that. What do i do wrong? bye Markus /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ / Markus Kremer - Student - Universitaet Trier - FB4 - Informatik > / email: kremer@stud.informatik.uni-trier.de / < Get LINUX Now !!! http://www.linux.org !!! http://www.suse.de / \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:34:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id FAA03236; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA04803; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:34:47 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id FAA27022; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:33:45 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id FAA391812 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:32:29 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA06924 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:32:20 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (cactus.sonytel.be [193.74.243.97]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27992 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:32:08 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:32:08 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Piotr Martyniuk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: "incoming-archive-folders" - how it work? (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Nobody help me with this? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:26:15 +0100 (MET) From: Piotr Martyniuk To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum Subject: "incoming-archive-folders" - wow it work? Hi! I try to set this feature to automaticly move all my read messages from first specified directory to second, for example: incoming-archive-folders = /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test-arch and also select option: [ Advanced User Preferences ] [ ] allow-talk [ ] assume-slow-link [X] auto-move-read-msgs and this doesn't work. If some new message arrive to "test" folder and when I read this message then they don't want to move from "test" to "test-arch". What I should set more for force this option to work? Regards Murphy --------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ e-mail: ^ ^ | ^ piotr@sonycom.com ^ | ^ | | | murph@free.polbox.pl | | | |/|\| murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl |/|\| | http://www.mxp.scena.pl/klub/murphy.html | | Everything is possible - this is only a question of time | --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:04:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA08719; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA05250; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:04:46 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id IAA09726; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:03:32 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id IAA22882 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:01:54 -0800 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA08195 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:01:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA02114; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:55:53 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:55:53 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: german umlaute In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Markus Kremer X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Markus Kremer wrote: > Hello, > every time i press a german umlaute key pine prompts [ Unknown Command ]. > Can i configure pine to use german umlaute correctely? > > When i use vi as editor i can write with the german special keys, but then > the character set it set to X-UNKNOWN and many mail clients complain > about that. Is this Pine on Unix, or PC-Pine? What are you using for a terminal or emulator? What is Pine's charset set to? -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:06:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA16231; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA07193; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:06:14 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id IAA09504; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:59:57 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id IAA105622 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:58:36 -0800 Received: from blue.smsu.edu (blue.smsu.edu [146.7.7.107]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA18205 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:58:36 -0800 Received: from aspirin.smsu.edu (Clark-pri20.smsu.edu [146.7.13.20]) by blue.smsu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YALYRVL7; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:58:33 -0600 Received: (from minton@localhost) by aspirin.smsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id KAA30742 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:58:24 -0600 Message-Id: <20001214105819.A30606@aspirin.smsu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:58:22 -0600 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Brian Minton To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: list manager Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Linux aspirin 2.2.14 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What list manager software does this list use? Do you think the list admins would mind to put a footer on each message telling the list name, subscriber email, and subscribe/unsubscribe instructions? thanks, Brian - -- Brian Minton minton@csc.smsu.edu Caution: in case of rapture, this computer will be unoccupied! PGP 0xE177AFF0 fingerprint AB94 E395 78CE 0967 2542 A7B3 178C 3E66 E177 AFF0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6OPvKp0PPDCS0QgIRAjhqAJ9rvzbeGgfd4i9Vyfq7V2G+Y2FevgCfffsZ S2ESP+ljPWtqxBpz4s5q8h4= =oIrC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:14:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA20479; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA07431; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:14:01 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id JAA29186; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:12:39 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id JAA347502 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:11:24 -0800 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.72.0.53]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA20919 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:11:24 -0800 Received: from grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.34]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA00141; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA21126; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from multics.mit.edu (MULTICS.MIT.EDU [18.187.1.73]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA06674; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jmorzins@localhost) by multics.mit.edu (8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11361; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:11:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:11:18 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jacob Morzinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: list manager In-Reply-To: <20001214105819.A30606@aspirin.smsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Brian Minton X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Brian Minton wrote: > What list manager software does this list use? Do you think the list admins > would mind to put a footer on each message telling the list name, subscriber > email, and subscribe/unsubscribe instructions? The headers of each message I get from the list claim that the list is run a ListProcessor(tm), and the headers also contain subscribe/unsubscribe information. Pine has built-in commands for interacting with the list-information headers, or you can read the raw headers yourself and act on them manually. The relevant headers are: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:30:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA15981; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA07998; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:30:08 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id JAA31342; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:28:56 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id JAA347456 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:26:14 -0800 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:bezell@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA25180 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:26:13 -0800 Received: from localhost (bezell@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04063 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:23:25 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:23:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bobby Ezell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: list manager In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN You should also notice a message similar to the one below if you are using a more recent version of pine. This message appears at the end of the list message and allows you to select it and see subscribe/unsubscribe and list help info - again a product of Pines list interaction. [ Note: This message contains email list management information ] Bobby Ezell Rasmussen Software Support -- On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Jacob Morzinski wrote: > On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Brian Minton wrote: > > What list manager software does this list use? Do you think the list admins > > would mind to put a footer on each message telling the list name, subscriber > > email, and subscribe/unsubscribe instructions? > > > The headers of each message I get from the list claim that the > list is run a ListProcessor(tm), and the headers also contain > subscribe/unsubscribe information. Pine has built-in commands > for interacting with the list-information headers, or you can > read the raw headers yourself and act on them manually. > > The relevant headers are: > > List-Help: > List-Unsubscribe: > List-Subscribe: > List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) > List-Post: > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > > Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:52:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA04905; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA11719; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:52:34 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id JAA29332; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:51:21 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id JAA336646 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:50:32 -0800 Received: from blue.smsu.edu (blue.smsu.edu [146.7.7.107]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA14699 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:50:28 -0800 Received: from aspirin.smsu.edu (Marie-pri16.smsu.edu [146.7.12.16]) by blue.smsu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YALYRV6Y; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:50:26 -0600 Received: (from minton@localhost) by aspirin.smsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id LAA30973 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:50:19 -0600 Message-Id: <20001214115015.B30936@aspirin.smsu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:50:19 -0600 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Brian Minton To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: list headers In-Reply-To: ; from jmorzins@MIT.EDU on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 12:11:18PM -0500 References: <20001214105819.A30606@aspirin.smsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Linux aspirin 2.2.14 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 12:11:18PM -0500, Jacob Morzinski wrote: > List-Help: > List-Unsubscribe: > List-Subscribe: > List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) > List-Post: > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > > Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu > I notice that these headers don't have X- in front of them, I guess that means that those are 'official' headers. I never even knew of their existence. What RFC are they in? That is cool! - -- Brian Minton minton@csc.smsu.edu Caution: in case of rapture, this computer will be unoccupied! PGP 0xE177AFF0 fingerprint AB94 E395 78CE 0967 2542 A7B3 178C 3E66 E177 AFF0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6OQhVp0PPDCS0QgIRAk0bAJ4zZ/j1b78wR2XIPNycv+TXfOrKkQCgh1cE 1d3MXGAKAGp2bngU1uaCQDA= =J7YH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:41:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA07119; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA10736; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:41:03 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id KAA09730; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:39:38 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id KAA398886 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:38:49 -0800 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA22653 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:38:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 9318 invoked by uid 1828); 14 Dec 2000 18:38:47 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:38:47 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE-INFO digest 951 In-Reply-To: <200012140805.AAA22510@list4.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:25:00 -0800 (PST) >From: Scott Leibrand >On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Guillermo Pereyra Irujo wrote: > >> Trying to know if pine supports qmail's maildir, I searched pine's site >> and I found nothing, even though some pages around the web say that it >> does from version 4.10 on. =BFCould you confirm this or at least tell me >> where could I find that info? > >Pine does not support maildir without a patch. Doing a Google search for >"pine maildir patch" brought up http://www.flounder.net/qmail/, which has >such a patch. Will this ever be supported without a patch? I remember that the sysadmins here have to modify pine when they install a new one.. I think they're using qmail (it is a "mail location/format issue", I'm sure of that). >No one maintains a public list of Pine bugs, because if it's acknowledged >as a bug by the Pine team, then they fix it in the next release. In the >meantime, they often post patches for known bugs on comp.mail.pine or this >forum. This usually only occurs for the first release after adding new Then is not supporting qmail not considered a bug? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:45:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA08231; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA10899; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:45:03 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id KAA48418; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:43:40 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id KAA167804 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:43:09 -0800 Received: from durian.team.xtra.co.nz (xtra185136.xtra.co.nz [202.27.185.136]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA23586 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:43:08 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (richard authenticated using CRAM-MD5 (0 bits)) by durian.team.xtra.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEIh3614001 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:43:03 +1300 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:42:53 +1300 (NZDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Richard Stevenson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: list headers In-Reply-To: <20001214115015.B30936@aspirin.smsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Brian Minton wrote: > > List-Subscribe: [snip] > I notice that these headers don't have X- in front of them, I guess that means > that those are 'official' headers. I never even knew of their existence. > What RFC are they in? That is cool! They're in RFC2369, which is dated July 1998, so they're just starting to come into widespread use now. One of the best ideas I've seen - wish I'd thought of it. Cheers Richard -- Richard Stevenson, Systems Support Specialist, Telecom Xtra Phone: +64 9 355 5231 Mobile: +64 25 290 3101 Pager: +64 26 100 155 Windows 2000 - proudly brought to you by the people behind EDLIN From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:49:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA12056; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA11156; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:49:44 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id KAA32984; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:48:20 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id KAA398914 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:47:36 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA24500 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:47:36 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA350432; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:46:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:46:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: german umlaute In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Markus Kremer X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Markus Kremer (kremer@castor.uni-trier.de) wrote in the pine-info list...: :) Hello, :) every time i press a german umlaute key pine prompts [ Unknown Command ]. :) Can i configure pine to use german umlaute correctely? Yes, press M S C and define "character-set = iso-8859-1". That will solve your problem. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:04:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA00030; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA15951; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:04:27 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id NAA26338; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:34 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id NAA166792 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:02:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id NAA182362; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:02:52 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:02:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE-INFO digest 951 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Ackeret wrote: > >No one maintains a public list of Pine bugs, because if it's acknowledged > >as a bug by the Pine team, then they fix it in the next release. In the > >meantime, they often post patches for known bugs on comp.mail.pine or this > >forum. This usually only occurs for the first release after adding new > > Then is not supporting qmail not considered a bug? Well, according to http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=bug, a computer bug is defined as "[a]n unwanted and unintended property of a program or piece of hardware, especially one that causes it to malfunction." As far as I can tell, the Pine team's intent was NOT to include qmail support, and I wouldn't consider the lack of a feature to be a bug. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:45:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA11877; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA25723; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:45:57 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id QAA44378; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:44:45 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id QAA166802 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:44:02 -0800 Received: from turing.cs.qc.edu (turing.cs.qc.edu [149.4.211.164]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA03683 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:44:01 -0800 Received: from babbage.cs.qc.edu (babbage [149.4.211.122]) by turing.cs.qc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06403 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vickery@localhost) by babbage.cs.qc.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11406 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:42:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:42:36 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Vickery To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: IMAP Config Question. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'm using pc-pine 4.31 to process mail that comes into a Solaris system that acts as the imap server. I have been able to get pc-pine to access my inbox fine, and it saves fcc copies of sent mail in my Solaris mail directory just fine. But I can't figure out how to configure pc-pine so that when I save an incoming message, it will go into a folder under my Solaris account instead of on the PC without typing the collection name explicitly for each message. Does anyone know how to set this up? Chris Vickery -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:04:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA24581; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA23402; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:04:25 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id RAA32772; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:03:00 -0800 Received: from bp15.u.washington.edu (leibrand@bp15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.205]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id RAA75504 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:02:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by bp15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id QAA228476; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:55:11 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:55:11 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: "incoming-archive-folders" - how it work? (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Piotr Martyniuk X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Piotr Martyniuk wrote: > I try to set this feature to automaticly move all my read messages from first > specified directory to second, for example: > > incoming-archive-folders = /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test-arch > > and also select option: > > [X] auto-move-read-msgs > > and this doesn't work. If some new message arrive to "test" folder and when I > read this message then they don't want to move from "test" to "test-arch". > > What I should set more for force this option to work? It looks like you have things configured correctly. The next thing I'd do is take a look at your .pine-debug1 file after Pine fails to move the messages properly. If there's no indication in there as to why it didn't do so, you could try running Pine with a "-d 9" flag (i.e. "pine -d 9") to get more debugging info. If you think the information my be present in the debug file, but can't figure it out, you may send it to me (along with your .pinerc) and I'll take a look. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * Opinions expressed are mine. Everyone else can get their own. :) * * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:18:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA13894; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA23697; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:18:34 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id RAA06954; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:17:05 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id RAA278480 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:20 -0800 Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA07417 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:19 -0800 Received: from elk.uvm.edu (elk.uvm.edu [132.198.101.63]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA104806 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:16:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (ashawley@localhost) by elk.uvm.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA93732 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:16:18 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:16:18 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Aaron S. Hawley" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: IMAP Config Question. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: elk.uvm.edu: ashawley owned process doing -bs X-Sender: ashawley@elk.uvm.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN if you don't need the folder collection that is on your pc, then delete the configuration for it. that should allow you to save to your solaris collection by default. aaron On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Christopher Vickery wrote: > I'm using pc-pine 4.31 to process mail that comes into a > Solaris system that acts as the imap server. > I have been able to get pc-pine to access my inbox fine, and > it saves fcc copies of sent mail in my Solaris mail > directory just fine. > > But I can't figure out how to configure pc-pine so that when > I save an incoming message, it will go into a folder under > my Solaris account instead of on the PC without typing the > collection name explicitly for each message. > > Does anyone know how to set this up? > > Chris Vickery From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:21:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA01136; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA26524; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:21:20 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id RAA32632; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:19:53 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id RAA141242 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:19:20 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA07819 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:19:20 -0800 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.10]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15935; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:17:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:17:12 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: "incoming-archive-folders" - how it work? (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Piotr Martyniuk X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Piotr Martyniuk (piotr@sonycom.com) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) I try to set this feature to automaticly move all my read messages from first :) specified directory to second, for example: :) :) incoming-archive-folders = /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test-arch :) :) What I should set more for force this option to work? This will only work if /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test is listed as an incoming folder. Do you have an incoming-folders collection? is this specific folder listed as a folder in that collection? If the answer to the first question is NO, then you should press M S C and [X] enable-incoming-folders. If the answer to the second question is NO, then you should add this folder to the collection of incoming folders. Only then this configuration option should work. If the answer to the second question is YES, then there must be a bug. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:32:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA01875; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA26751; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:32:40 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id RAA17188; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:31:41 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id RAA75502 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:31:04 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA11069 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:31:04 -0800 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.10]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA378374; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:31:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:31:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: IMAP Config Question. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Christopher Vickery X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Christopher Vickery (vickery@babbage.cs.qc.edu) wrote in the pine-info...: :) But I can't figure out how to configure pc-pine so that when :) I save an incoming message, it will go into a folder under :) my Solaris account instead of on the PC without typing the :) collection name explicitly for each message. Redefine your Mail collection list. Make it point to the solaris machine. Press M S L and edit your configuration of the "Mail" collection list (that's the name in unix pine, is it the same in pc-pine?) You'll have to define it something like: Nickname : Mail Server : {solaris.machine/user=my_name} Path : mail/ View : The disadvantage of this, is that there may be some delay when you press "L" to read your folders list. I hope that won;t be noticeable in your case. On the other hand, if you are just worried of saving to folders like "saved-messages", you can define those folders with their complete IMAP path, that is to say, define default-saved-msg-folder = {solaris.machine/user=your_name}mail/saved-messages and so on for some other folders (like postponed-messages, etc). I hope this helps. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:30:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id TAA20155; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA26372; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:30:23 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id TAA33678; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:29:18 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id TAA166746 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:27:39 -0800 Received: from turing.cs.qc.edu (turing.cs.qc.edu [149.4.211.164]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA24529 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:27:38 -0800 Received: from babbage.cs.qc.edu (babbage [149.4.211.122]) by turing.cs.qc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06505; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vickery@localhost) by babbage.cs.qc.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11508; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:26:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:26:14 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Vickery To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: IMAP Config Question. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Eduardo Chappa X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Ta-da! Thanks!! I had set up "sent-messages" okay, but did not know that I should redefine the collection itself, as you indicated. For anyone who is interested, my pinerc on the pc ended up with this line: folder-collections=Mail {babbage.cs.qc.edu/user=vickery}Mail/[] The first "Mail" is the label for this collection, and the second one is the name of the subdirectory in my Solaris home directory where I file incoming messages. Thanks again, Chris Vickery On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > *** Christopher Vickery (vickery@babbage.cs.qc.edu) wrote in the pine-info...: > > :) But I can't figure out how to configure pc-pine so that when > :) I save an incoming message, it will go into a folder under > :) my Solaris account instead of on the PC without typing the > :) collection name explicitly for each message. > > Redefine your Mail collection list. Make it point to the solaris machine. > Press M S L and edit your configuration of the "Mail" collection list > (that's the name in unix pine, is it the same in pc-pine?) > > You'll have to define it something like: > > Nickname : Mail > Server : {solaris.machine/user=my_name} > Path : mail/ > View : > > The disadvantage of this, is that there may be some delay when you press > "L" to read your folders list. I hope that won;t be noticeable in your > case. > > On the other hand, if you are just worried of saving to folders like > "saved-messages", you can define those folders with their complete IMAP > path, that is to say, define > > default-saved-msg-folder = {solaris.machine/user=your_name}mail/saved-messages > > and so on for some other folders (like postponed-messages, etc). > > I hope this helps. > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:07:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id BAA15543; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA32556; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:07:56 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id BAA43006; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:06:45 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id BAA170828 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:05:33 -0800 Received: from imag.imag.fr (imag.imag.fr [129.88.30.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA21440 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:05:32 -0800 Received: from olan.imag.fr (olan.imag.fr [129.88.43.51]) by imag.imag.fr (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13852 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:05:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from carlit.imag.fr (kowalski@carlit [129.88.43.110]) by olan.imag.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id KAA18958 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:05:31 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:41 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nicolas Kowalski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: [POP] password storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: olan.imag.fr: Host kowalski@carlit [129.88.43.110] claimed to be carlit.imag.fr X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello. I am currently using PINE with a the incoming folders feature. Working well with procmail :-). Great job. However, I am trying to setup another folder which is an INBOX stored on a remote POP server. No problem with the syntax : {myisp.network.far/pop3/user=mylogin}INBOX So there is no password ; PINE will ask me each time I consult this folder. This is not what I desire. When I am using Incoming Folders, hitting once TAB makes PINE check for new mail in all the folders ; when it comes to this pop folder, each time, it will ask me a password...It's very boring. Is there a way to make PINE remember POP passwords during a session ? Thanks a lot. Niko. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:04:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id DAA04729; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA02319; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:04:37 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id DAA44080; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:03:33 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id DAA250682 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:01:17 -0800 Received: from server3.safepages.com (server3.safepages.com [216.127.146.5]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA21156 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:01:17 -0800 Received: from 01-057.037.popsite.net (01-057.037.popsite.net [64.24.12.57]) by server3.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA4A22F45 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:00:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:01:45 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jessica Arnold To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: problem detected received abort signal from news server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello there. I don't know if this is pine related or newsserver related. The two servers that I have a user name and password for. It seems to connect okay. But then it gives me the message problem detected received abort signal. I tend to think something with pine isn't working. Because I can usse tin and it will log in just fine. With no errors like that. Could someone help here? Thanks. Jessica -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:42:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA12766; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA09490; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:42:44 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id GAA19776; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:42:07 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id GAA227258 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:40:40 -0800 Received: from femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.86]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA01121 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:40:40 -0800 Received: from c1164653-a.salem1.or.home.com ([65.0.43.125]) by femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001215144040.EGPU15927.femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1164653-a.salem1.or.home.com>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:40:40 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:39:22 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Keith Wyatt - N6JPA To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: [POP] password storage In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Nicolas Kowalski X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Nicolas Kowalski wrote: > > Hello. > > I am currently using PINE with a the incoming folders feature. Working > well with procmail :-). Great job. > > However, I am trying to setup another folder which is an INBOX stored on > a remote POP server. No problem with the syntax : > > {myisp.network.far/pop3/user=mylogin}INBOX > > So there is no password ; PINE will ask me each time I consult this > folder. This is not what I desire. When I am using Incoming Folders, > hitting once TAB makes PINE check for new mail in all the folders ; when > it comes to this pop folder, each time, it will ask me a password...It's > very boring. Use Fetchmail to retrieve messages from all pop servers and if you want you can use procmail to file all of your messages in folders. > > Is there a way to make PINE remember POP passwords during a session ? > Thanks a lot. No > > Niko. > > -- Best Regards, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- Find freeware for Windows at http://strongsignals.com http://NWOregonRadio.netfirms.com/ A site covering radio topics. ------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:53:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id GAA25134; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA09716; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:53:34 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id GAA19356; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:53:02 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id GAA206898 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:52:18 -0800 Received: from turing.cs.qc.edu (turing.cs.qc.edu [149.4.211.164]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id GAA15050 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:52:14 -0800 Received: from babbage.cs.qc.edu (babbage [149.4.211.122]) by turing.cs.qc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06837 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cv-home-d.cs.qc.edu (24-168-78-26.nyc.rr.com [24.168.78.26]) by babbage.cs.qc.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11939 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:50:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:52:11 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Vickery To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: One addressbook? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: vickery@babbage.cs.qc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I found that Pine will not let an addressbook be used as the local addressbook for one system and as an IMAP-accessible addressbook from another system. (I'm not sure why.) What is the preferred way, then, to have a "master" address book that is used and mangaged from 2-3 different systems? Chris Vickery -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:02:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA02552; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (root@list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA15079; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:02:44 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id KAA35688; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:01:55 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id KAA170954 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:00:26 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA12239 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:00:25 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA441796; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:00:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:00:23 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: [POP] password storage In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Nicolas Kowalski X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Nicolas Kowalski (Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr) wrote in the pine-info list...: :) Is there a way to make PINE remember POP passwords during a session ? :) Thanks a lot. Yes you can, but you'll have to recompile pine again. Take a look at http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/installation.html#compile and see the "PASSFILE" option. If you still need help to set this up, don't hesitate to ask again. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:11:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA04809; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (root@list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA15470; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:11:25 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id KAA44842; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:10:33 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id KAA141296 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:08:29 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA14245 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:08:28 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA268814; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:08:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:08:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: One addressbook? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Christopher Vickery X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Christopher Vickery (vickery@babbage.cs.qc.edu) wrote in the pine-info...: :) I found that Pine will not let an addressbook be used as the :) local addressbook for one system and as an IMAP-accessible :) addressbook from another system. (I'm not sure why.) What :) is the preferred way, then, to have a "master" address book :) that is used and mangaged from 2-3 different systems? You are right, you can not use the same addressbook for both systems. The problem is that they have different formats. An addressbook in a remote system looks pretty much like a folder, whose messages are the state of the addressbook at different times. What I would recommend is to copy your local addressbook to be the remote addressbook and use only your remote addressbook. Directions on how to copy your local addressbook to a remote one can be found in Gopi's web page: http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/ -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:10:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id PAA28489; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (root@list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA24938; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:10:19 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id PAA26010; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:09:51 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id PAA148508 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:09:04 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA15462 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:09:03 -0800 Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA22043 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:09:03 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id PAA00920 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:09:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (postmast@localhost) by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (8.10.1+UW00.04/8.10.1+UW00.04) with ESMTP id eBFN90w14840 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:09:01 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:08:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Noah Abraham Levitt To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: problems calling alternate editor with cmd-line args MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Info Mailing List X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have problems using an alternate editor with command line arguments. I'd like to be able to use: vim -c "set tw=72" as my alternate editor. How can I do this without doing anything external to pine (like making an alias)? If it's not possible, could you point me to the place in the source code where the alternate editor is called? Thanks, Noah -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:52:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id PAA13776; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA23350; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:51:59 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id PAA33660; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:51:27 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id PAA368090 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:50:04 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA22755 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:50:04 -0800 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA478111; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:50:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:50:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: problems calling alternate editor with cmd-line args In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Noah Abraham Levitt X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Noah Abraham Levitt (nlevitt@umich.edu) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) I have problems using an alternate editor with command line :) arguments. I'd like to be able to use: :) :) vim -c "set tw=72" :) :) as my alternate editor. How can I do this without doing anything :) external to pine (like making an alias)? what problem are you having?, I do not use vim, but that command seemed to have worked fine for me. :) If it's not possible, could you point me to the place in the source code :) where the alternate editor is called? Take a look at pico/pico_os.c, there's a function called "alt_editor" that you may want to check. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:59:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id QAA20602; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (root@list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA25293; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:59:57 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with SMTP id QAA36880; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:59:30 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id QAA79590 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:58:56 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA22215 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:58:55 -0800 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (host156.207-175-42.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA28158 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:58:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBG0ws600519 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:58:54 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:58:54 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: problems calling alternate editor with cmd-line args (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: mharris owned process doing -bs X-Sender: X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN For some reason, the reply-to on the list is set to owner-pine-info so my initial reply went there... -- Mike A. Harris Mailing address: OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave. Red Hat Inc. Sault Ste. Marie, (705)949-2136 Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:57:32 -0500 (EST) From: Mike A. Harris To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: problems calling alternate editor with cmd-line args On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Noah Abraham Levitt wrote: >I have problems using an alternate editor with command line >arguments. I'd like to be able to use: > > vim -c "set tw=72" > >as my alternate editor. How can I do this without doing anything >external to pine (like making an alias)? > >If it's not possible, could you point me to the place in the source code >where the alternate editor is called? PINE requires that you give the full path of executables for most external applications. -- Mike A. Harris Mailing address: OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave. Red Hat Inc. Sault Ste. Marie, (705)949-2136 Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:04:16 -0800 (PST) Re