From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 1 02:42:40 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id CAA13656; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA24308; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:42:27 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id CAA19663; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:42:00 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA99538 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:39:43 -0700 Received: from johanna5.ux.his.no (johanna5.ux.his.no [152.94.1.25]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA00921 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:39:41 -0700 Received: from gorina13.ux.his.no (gorina13.ux.his.no [152.94.1.53]) by johanna5.ux.his.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07991; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:39:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by gorina13.ux.his.no id FAA09067; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 05:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:39:36 +0200 (METDST) Reply-To: atle@weibell.no Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Atle Weibell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: atlwe@ux.his.no X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I just installed PC-Pine 4.21 on my laptop, and it worked fine for two days... When I start, I get "INBOX opened with x messages" and everything seems fine. I can compose or go to other folders and read messages, but when I access INBOX and press I for index, the program hangs, and all I get is the hourglass... :( The header changes to "MESSAGE INDEX" but nothing else happens. The Windows Task Manager reports "Not responding". The debug files all ends with the config-line "no-show-cursor". Anyone experienced something similar? Regards, -- Atle Weibell | atle@weibell.no | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431 | -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 1 09:19:33 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA15965; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA22607; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:19:30 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA15467; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:18:57 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA40258 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:17:27 -0700 Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA04928 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:17:25 -0700 Received: from elk.uvm.edu (elk.uvm.edu [132.198.101.63]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA66382; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:17:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (ashawley@localhost) by elk.uvm.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA82666; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:17:22 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Aaron S. Hawley" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Atle Weibell , atle@weibell.no X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: elk.uvm.edu: ashawley owned process doing -bs X-Sender: ashawley@elk.uvm.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote: > When I start, I get "INBOX opened with x messages" and everything seems > fine. I can compose or go to other folders and read messages, but when I > access INBOX and press I for index, the program hangs, and all I get is > the hourglass... :( The header changes to "MESSAGE INDEX" but nothing else > happens. The Windows Task Manager reports "Not responding". The debug > files all ends with the config-line "no-show-cursor". > > Anyone experienced something similar? yeah, when my Inbox is huge. i.e. when x==(a freakin' huge number) is yours freakin' huge? -- Aaron.Hawley@uvm.edu -> http://www.uvm.edu/~ashawley =========================================================================== Pine 4.21 E-Mail-> www.washington.edu/pine small,fast,simple,complex,open,Free! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 1 09:29:51 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA10548; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA00368; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:29:49 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA12622; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:29:25 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA35906 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:28:30 -0700 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA13989 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:28:30 -0700 Received: from airborne.cisco.com (airborne.cisco.com [171.71.154.32]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04310 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vitalstatistix.cisco.com (pals-nt.cisco.com [171.71.148.17]) by airborne.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AAY08549; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (pals@localhost) by vitalstatistix.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03468 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:28:11 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Palani Chinnakannan To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: How do I setup the LDAP server. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: vitalstatistix.cisco.com: pals owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN How do I setup the LDAP server. I seached in the initial setup screen, I am not able to get to the LDAP directory entry form. I saw in the help index that pine supports ldap. pals -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 1 09:32:10 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA13436; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA00455; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:32:08 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA29299; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:31:42 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA80406 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:31:10 -0700 Received: from johanna5.ux.his.no (johanna5.ux.his.no [152.94.1.25]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA26179 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:31:09 -0700 Received: from gorina13.ux.his.no (gorina13.ux.his.no [152.94.1.53]) by johanna5.ux.his.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09376; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:31:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by gorina13.ux.his.no id MAA02056; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:31:07 +0200 (METDST) Reply-To: atle@weibell.no Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Atle Weibell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Aaron S. Hawley" X-Cc: atle@weibell.no, Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > Anyone experienced something similar? > > yeah, when my Inbox is huge. i.e. when x==(a freakin' huge number) > is yours freakin' huge? No, it only contains 8 messages... Two of them were large, aprox. 2MB each, so I tried to delete 4 of them through the web-based interface, and then it actually worked well! I wouldn't say that it was huge anyway, though.... I'll let you know if it happens again... What should be the normal limit of the inbox? I don't usually keep messages there, but sometimes it could easy get over 4MB if you get some large attachments... Regards, Atle Weibell From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 1 10:02:09 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA08793; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA01505; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:02:03 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA00956; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:01:37 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA69922 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:01:05 -0700 Received: from law.usc.edu (law.usc.edu [128.125.42.6]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA20910 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:01:03 -0700 Received: from l2122.usc.edu (l2122 [128.125.42.67]) by law.usc.edu (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12663 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:01:03 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Robert Larmon To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine, PC-Pine, and quotas... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: rlarmon@faculty-law.usc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi all, I'm running Pine and PC-Pine 4.21, and I've noticed behavior that is different than before with the quotas (definitely with PC-Pine, not sure yet for regular Pine). When deleting messages, it appears that Pine and/or PC-Pine needs more space on the users's quota space before it can delete a message. Here's an example... user1 ------ soft quota - 5MB (/var) hard quota - 10MB (/var) user's inbox is 9MB If user1 has a 2MB email that he tries to delete, it won't let him unless I raise the quota, I think to 18 MB before it allows him to delete the message. It seems like it has to create a temp file on /var before removing the old one. Is this standard Pine behavior? Shouldn't a temp file be created first on /tmp or something? Or does IMAP play with this (I'm running UW IMAP release IMAP4rev1 v12.250) ? I can't really change the settings too much since it's a production system, so any advice or insight is appreciated. Thanks, Robert ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ` Robert Larmon ` ` PC Systems Analyst ` ` USC Law School Computing Services ` ` rlarmon@law.usc.edu ` ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 1 21:58:04 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id VAA24696; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA11472; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:58:02 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id VAA10043; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:57:25 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA158010 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:56:20 -0700 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA01314 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:56:20 -0700 Received: from 239.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.145.239]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000802045619.SCZP17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@239.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:56:19 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: atle@weibell.no X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jamesqf@postoffice.att.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote: > > > Anyone experienced something similar? > > > > yeah, when my Inbox is huge. i.e. when x==(a freakin' huge number) > > is yours freakin' huge? > > No, it only contains 8 messages... Two of them were large, aprox. 2MB > each, so I tried to delete 4 of them through the web-based interface, and > then it actually worked well! I wouldn't say that it was huge anyway, > though.... I'll let you know if it happens again... > > What should be the normal limit of the inbox? I don't usually keep > messages there, but sometimes it could easy get over 4MB if you get some > large attachments... I think I have the same thing. Are you accessing your inbox on a remote machine over a dial-up connection? Apparently what happens is that PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index, then download each message again to save it to your local machine. I use the tricks on Nancy's web page to set it up for offline reading, then just go do something else while it transfers the contents of inbox to my machine. James From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 2 00:29:16 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id AAA04220; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA14111; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:29:12 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id AAA24553; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:28:52 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA47208 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:28:05 -0700 Received: from johanna5.ux.his.no (johanna5.ux.his.no [152.94.1.25]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA01992 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:28:04 -0700 Received: from gorina13.ux.his.no (gorina13.ux.his.no [152.94.1.53]) by johanna5.ux.his.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12155; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:28:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by gorina13.ux.his.no id DAA03090; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:28:01 +0200 (METDST) Reply-To: atle@weibell.no Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Atle Weibell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: James X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, James wrote: > I think I have the same thing. Are you accessing your inbox on a remote > machine over a dial-up connection? Apparently what happens is that Yes, and for a while just by a 28.8-modem... > PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index, > then download each message again to save it to your local machine. It probably doesn't actually hang, then - even though Windows think so.... (Why am I not surprised..?) Maybe PC-PINE should be programmed to contact the OS every now and then while transferring the messages, so that Windows would understand that it is working...? > I use the tricks on Nancy's web page to set it up for offline reading, > then just go do something else while it transfers the contents of inbox > to my machine. This solution is only temporary for me, so I'll manage with it until I get up a linux box with ISDN, I think... Thanks for your help, anyway! Regards, Atle Weibell From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 2 07:55:00 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id HAA11393; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA00719; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:54:58 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA00731; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:54:22 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA54912 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:53:04 -0700 Received: from srh0902.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@srh0902.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.76.224]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA23263 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:53:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 23485 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Aug 2000 14:53:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Aug 2000 14:53:02 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:52:46 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: surpression of differing charsets warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ftobin@srh0902.urh.uiuc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Given the number of iso-8859-1-generating MUA's out there (Outlook, Eudora), there is often a large amount of wasted screen space when Pine warns about having a differing charset than what the viewed message is (e.g., about 5 lines, including whitespace): [ The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] I recommend that Pine have an option to either surpress or minimize the warning. A one-liner like this might suffice given an option change: [ Charsets ] [ message: "iso-8859-1" ] [ display: "US-ASCII" ] - -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (FreeBSD) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.9.0 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAjmINc4ACgkQVv/RCiYMT6OD4wCglxiAfvGKCCjgGWSy1Kg1PJ3P dkEAnjR7vkw03V63uGDYSc1Z9cIHAg8A =KEcY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 2 09:41:16 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA19243; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA26769; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:41:14 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA23538; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:40:41 -0700 Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (root@jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA47226 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:39:54 -0700 Received: from dante50.u.washington.edu (root@dante50.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA52058; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:39:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante50.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA63536; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:39:52 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: surpression of differing charsets warning In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Frank Tobin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante50.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Frank Tobin wrote: > Given the number of iso-8859-1-generating MUA's out there (Outlook, > Eudora), there is often a large amount of wasted screen space when Pine > warns about having a differing charset than what the viewed message is > (e.g., about 5 lines, including whitespace): > > I recommend that Pine have an option to either surpress or minimize the > warning. A one-liner like this might suffice given an option change: I think a better solution in your case is to change your charset to ISO-8859-1. Pine will still send text-only messages in US-ASCII, but it will also be able to send and receive ISO-8859-1 messages without errors. An option to supress the charset warning would still be nice, though. I don't need to be told whether I can read something. :) -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 2 10:36:36 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA21594; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA05835; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:36:34 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA25789; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:36:02 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA40346 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:34:25 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA28735 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:34:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23647 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:32:30 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Has anyone done any work on making Pine (for Unix) convert received messages to Unicode UTF-8 for display? Then, when running Pine through a UTF-8 capable terminal session, users could receive messages in a wide variety of charsets and have them displayed properly (without warning messages). For comparison, I just found out the Lynx (Unix text-based web browser) has this ability. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 2 11:48:05 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA24284; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA08271; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:48:04 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA00246; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:47:23 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA35984 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:42:23 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA26459 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:42:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA25406; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:39:55 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Lynn Zhang X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Lynn Zhang wrote: > Do you have more information on this? Lynx? UTF-8? Do you have a web site? Info on Lynx is at http://lynx.browser.org/ By the way, our Anzio (Windows telnet client) can handle UTF-8 to/from the host. See below. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 2 21:21:17 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id VAA32240; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA23347; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:21:15 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id VAA27343; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:20:45 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA44090 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:19:58 -0700 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA12616 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:19:57 -0700 Received: from 205.reno-01-02rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.144.205]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000803041953.MMOQ6710.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@205.reno-01-02rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:19:53 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: atle@weibell.no X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jamesqf@postoffice.att.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, James wrote: > > > I think I have the same thing. Are you accessing your inbox on a remote > > machine over a dial-up connection? Apparently what happens is that > Yes, and for a while just by a 28.8-modem... > > > PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index, > > then download each message again to save it to your local machine. > It probably doesn't actually hang, then - even though Windows think so.... > (Why am I not surprised..?) No, it doesn't hang for me, though at first I certainly thought it had. If you're actually getting it hanging, or disconnecting the line, you might look for timeouts on your dialup connection settings or something like that. > Maybe PC-PINE should be programmed to contact the OS every now and then > while transferring the messages, so that Windows would understand that it > is working...? Yes, something like this really needs to be done. It also won't redraw while it's downloading, accept input to kill mistaken commands, or similar things. James From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 3 00:57:23 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id AAA21555; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA26895; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:57:21 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id AAA00761; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:57:00 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA40238 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:56:04 -0700 Received: from web616.mail.yahoo.com (web616.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.85]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id AAA02598 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:56:04 -0700 Received: from [206.170.121.19] by web616.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:56:00 PDT Message-Id: <20000803075600.23692.qmail@web616.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "R. Terrell Holmes" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Okay, apparently I've been trying to email the wrong adress. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > Glad to see that Pine is still alive and kicking. > > I'm > > curious to know if there is a version supported by > > Mac > > OS9? > > > > Another question I had is, in a nutshell, how does > > Pine work: does it function separatly from the > web, > > or what? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 3 01:13:19 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id BAA00208; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA17477; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:13:14 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id BAA18484; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:12:53 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA40198 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:12:10 -0700 Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA25168 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:12:07 -0700 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13KG6p-0003Kd-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:12:07 +0000 Received: from [165.254.101.87] (helo=muon.ii.com) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13KG6o-0007c9-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:12:06 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:16:07 +0100 (BST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 00-08-01 James wrote: > Apparently what happens is that > PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index, > then download each message again to save it to your local machine. I thought that one of the beauties of IMAP and of Pine, which is=20 the queen of IMAP clients IMHO, is that only the headers are downloaded. So my question is: Is the server with these speed problems serving the folders using IMAP or POP? If it's POP, maybe that is the root of the problem. If it's IMAP, then the question is what folder format is the problem folder in?=20 According to Mark Crispin and others in comp.mail.imap, the most efficient folder format to use is mbx format and one of the least efficient is good ol' Berkeley mbox format. So another way to fix this problem would be to switch to mbx folder format on your server (but maybe you aren't the admin). Finally, you=20 can try using the speed tips I give here: http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#speed Good luck, Nancy --=20 Pine info & links @ http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/ =20 =A9Nancy McGough http://www.ii.com/ Infinite Ink -----=3D=3D Sent via Pine 4.21L running on Debian GNU/Linux =3D=3D---- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 3 01:25:27 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id BAA26762; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA27365; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:25:25 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id BAA15082; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:25:05 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA95776 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:24:21 -0700 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (root@chinet.com [209.219.112.20]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA04104 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:24:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10112 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:24:19 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:24:19 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 08/02/00, at 10:32am -0700, Bob Rasmussen wrote: >Has anyone done any work on making Pine (for Unix) convert received messages >to Unicode UTF-8 for display? Why does pine need a built-in feature for this utility? I suppose you could use display-filter to pipe messages to a utility for conversion to another character set, though it would probably be easier to do this with a procmail recipie. >For comparison, I just found out the Lynx (Unix text-based web browser) has >this ability. It's debateable whether it's a good idea to add so many features to Lynx, which isn't as quick as it once was. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 3 04:55:51 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id EAA31397; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA31022; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:55:48 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id EAA20783; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:55:28 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA79010 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:54:28 -0700 Received: from johanna5.ux.his.no (johanna5.ux.his.no [152.94.1.25]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id EAA23191 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:54:27 -0700 Received: from gorina13.ux.his.no (gorina13.ux.his.no [152.94.1.53]) by johanna5.ux.his.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18884 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:54:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by gorina13.ux.his.no id HAA05145; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:54:19 +0200 (METDST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Atle Weibell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Nancy McGough wrote: > > Apparently what happens is that > > PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index, > > then download each message again to save it to your local machine. > > I thought that one of the beauties of IMAP and of Pine, which is > the queen of IMAP clients IMHO, is that only the headers are > downloaded. So my question is: Is the server with these speed > problems serving the folders using IMAP or POP? If it's POP, > maybe that is the root of the problem. If it's IMAP, then the I just realized that I was using POP3, which was what I found in the example-text that I read somewhere. I haven't got a lot of messages since changing to IMAP, but it seems like it's downloading only the headers first, as you say. Great! > way to fix this problem would be to switch to mbx folder format > on your server (but maybe you aren't the admin). Finally, you I'm not the admin, but I've asked my ISP what format they use (is there any other way to find it out?) > can try using the speed tips I give here: > http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#speed Already found them, but haven't had the time to try everything yet... - Great pages! When I disconnect my dialup-line while I'm still in the open INBOX, I get 'INBOX closed' at the next check for new mail, I suppose. Is this a wrong way to do it, or are there any way to open the inbox again, next time I get connected, without having to quit Pine? Regards, Atle Weibell From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 3 09:10:30 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA15877; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA04554; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:10:27 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA26015; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:09:55 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA158254 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:05:09 -0700 Received: from nemesis.risc.fr ([193.106.194.175]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA18120 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:05:07 -0700 Received: from nemesis.risc.fr ([192.168.1.79]) by nemesis.risc.fr with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13KNdL-0002wm-00 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:14:11 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:14:11 +0200 (MEST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Xavier Renaut To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Application/OCTET-STREAM launche "file" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi ! when a guy sends you an attached document, without the mime type included, pine set it to Application/OCTET-STREAM. which is not directly readable. you have to save it, and launch the proper viewer. I would like to know if it is possible to add the feature to pine: when receving an attachement "Application/OCTET-STREAM", try to find what it is with the file cmd and with the extension, refering to mime-types... bye xavier ______________ xavier@risc.fr -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 3 09:45:10 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA15966; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA05848; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:45:07 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA14597; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:44:06 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA119524 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:43:12 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA05049 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:43:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23352; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:41:06 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > On 08/02/00, at 10:32am -0700, Bob Rasmussen wrote: > > >Has anyone done any work on making Pine (for Unix) convert received messages > >to Unicode UTF-8 for display? > > Why does pine need a built-in feature for this utility? I suppose you could use > display-filter to pipe messages to a utility for conversion to another > character set, though it would probably be easier to do this with a procmail > recipie. 1. I am unaware of a general purpose character translation utility that supports UTF-8. 2. Display of message header information, such as sender's name, need to be integrated into Pine. 3. Not everyone speaks English. 4. Setting up procmail is not an option for vast numbers of Pine users, either for reasons of technical ability or for lack of shell access. 5. Display of all-ASCII messages would not be slowed at all. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 3 10:15:42 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA27924; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA06882; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:15:40 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA03525; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:15:09 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA138172 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:13:47 -0700 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (root@chinet.com [209.219.112.20]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA22945 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:13:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31518 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:13:45 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:13:45 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 08/03/00, at 9:41am -0700, Bob Rasmussen wrote: >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>On 08/02/00, at 10:32am -0700, Bob Rasmussen wrote: >>>Has anyone done any work on making Pine (for Unix) convert received >>>messages to Unicode UTF-8 for display? >>Why does pine need a built-in feature for this utility? I suppose you could >>use display-filter to pipe messages to a utility for conversion to another >>character set, though it would probably be easier to do this with a procmail >>recipie. >1. I am unaware of a general purpose character translation utility that >supports UTF-8. >2. Display of message header information, such as sender's name, need to be >integrated into Pine. >3. Not everyone speaks English. >4. Setting up procmail is not an option for vast numbers of Pine users, either >for reasons of technical ability or for lack of shell access. >5. Display of all-ASCII messages would not be slowed at all. Do not Cc list members when replying; it's annoying. 1. If there's a need for the utility, perhaps you should volunteer and contribute it to the community. 2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, remember? They wouldn't be translated. 3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display of a character set is the duty of the terminal. Conversion of messages to another character set is not the duty of a Mail client. As I pointed out, Pine has "display filters" feature that could work with a utility to do this. 4. Lack of ability is their problem. If the system administrator feels that character set conversion is in the best interest of a lot of his users, than, yes, he should set this up for them. That would be his job. 5. So what? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 3 11:01:16 2000 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA10521; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA32074; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:01:14 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA05789; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:00:50 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA158456 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:59:50 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA07027 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:59:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25309 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:57:50 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Thank you for your charming response. See below. On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > On 08/03/00, at 9:41am -0700, Bob Rasmussen wrote: > ... > >1. I am unaware of a general purpose character translation utility that > >supports UTF-8. > >2. Display of message header information, such as sender's name, need to be > >integrated into Pine. > >3. Not everyone speaks English. > >4. Setting up procmail is not an option for vast numbers of Pine users, either > >for reasons of technical ability or for lack of shell access. > >5. Display of all-ASCII messages would not be slowed at all. > > Do not Cc list members when replying; it's annoying. I've always wished Pine had an easy way to respond to the list and not the sender. Perhaps you should volunteer and contribute that feature to the community. > > 1. If there's a need for the utility, perhaps you should volunteer and > contribute it to the community. I'd rather not reinvent the proverbial wheel, if it's out ther already. > > 2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, remember? They wouldn't be > translated. But the header MAY contain a charset identifier, which may not match the user's charset, so currently Pine will display it incorrectly. > > 3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display of a character set is the > duty of the terminal. Absurd. > Conversion of messages to another character set is not > the duty of a Mail client. As I pointed out, Pine has "display filters" feature > that could work with a utility to do this. Actually, that is helpful. I'll look into it. > > 4. Lack of ability is their problem. If the system administrator feels that > character set conversion is in the best interest of a lot of his users, than, > yes, he should set this up for them. That would be his job. Let me guess, you're in customer support, right? Consider the case of a Chinese-speaking student at an American university. The student wants to read mail from home. The university has provided a Pine email account. The sysadmin speaks only English, and knows nothing of foreign character sets. Now which is the best solution: 1. The student tries to convince the sysadmin there is a problem. 2. The student (an English major) writes a character-set translation program in Unix, and attaches it to the display-filter. 3. The student is shown how to change the display charset from US-ASCII to UTF-8 (as in Lynx), and can now read Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian, Hebrew, ... -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA16278; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA00970; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:38:04 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA07267; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:37:31 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA138128 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:36:35 -0700 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (root@chinet.com [209.219.112.20]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA06600 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:36:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01473 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:36:31 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:36:31 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 08/03/00, at 10:57am -0700, Bob Rasmussen wrote: >Thank you for your charming response. See below. Why, the numbered response, which didn't address what I said, sure indicated what your attitude was. You're welcome. >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>On 08/03/00, at 9:41am -0700, Bob Rasmussen wrote: >>>1. I am unaware of a general purpose character translation utility that >>>supports UTF-8. >>>2. Display of message header information, such as sender's name, need to be >>>integrated into Pine. >>>3. Not everyone speaks English. >>>4. Setting up procmail is not an option for vast numbers of Pine users, >>>either for reasons of technical ability or for lack of shell access. >>>5. Display of all-ASCII messages would not be slowed at all. >>Do not Cc list members when replying; it's annoying. >I've always wished Pine had an easy way to respond to the list and not the >sender. Perhaps you should volunteer and contribute that feature to the >community. That's right, it's the Mail client's fault for making you do something wrong. It's not your responsibility to observe what is happening. >>1. If there's a need for the utility, perhaps you should volunteer and >>contribute it to the community. >I'd rather not reinvent the proverbial wheel, if it's out ther already. You're complaining that it's not a Pine feature, but you haven't looked for it yourself to use with Pine. >>2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, remember? They wouldn't be >>translated. >But the header MAY contain a charset identifier, which may not match the >user's charset, so currently Pine will display it incorrectly. False; Pine passes the characters along just fine. It's up to the TERMINAL settings to present the characters as intended. >>3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display of a character set is the >>duty of the terminal. >Absurd. Nothing anyone says will shake you of that, right? You know best. >>4. Lack of ability is their problem. If the system administrator feels that >>character set conversion is in the best interest of a lot of his users, than, >>yes, he should set this up for them. That would be his job. >Let me guess, you're in customer support, right? >Consider the case of a Chinese-speaking student at an American university. The >student wants to read mail from home. The university has provided a Pine email >account. The sysadmin speaks only English, and knows nothing of foreign >character sets. Now which is the best solution: >1. The student tries to convince the sysadmin there is a problem. >2. The student (an English major) writes a character-set translation program >in Unix, and attaches it to the display-filter. >3. The student is shown how to change the display charset from US-ASCII to >UTF-8 (as in Lynx), and can now read Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian, >Hebrew, ... None. The student looks for, and finds, a terminal emulation that meets his needs. It's his computer, right? If he's using a public terminal, then, yes, he requests the feature from the system adminstrator, helpfully providing the name of the correct application if it's not currently part of the Unix distribution in use. This very same student could be at a school that doesn't use Pine as a default Mail client on public terminals. With respect to Lynx, the terminal still has to be capable of displaying those characters! If I'm using a text terminal emulation on a DOS comm program with an amber text monitor, I'm going to see garbage. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA10101; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA02403; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:22:50 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA08856; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:21:56 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA163702 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:20:39 -0700 Received: from bom2.vsnl.net.in (bom2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.1.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA01752 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:20:37 -0700 Received: from hal9k.myip.org (unknown [203.197.54.45]) by bom2.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2597B20C40 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:50:32 +0530 (GMT+5:30) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hal9k.myip.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA03368 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:39:15 +0530 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:39:15 +0530 (IST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Satya To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: satyap@hal9k.myip.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Aug 3, 2000 at 10:57, Bob Rasmussen wrote: >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >> Do not Cc list members when replying; it's annoying. > >I've always wished Pine had an easy way to respond to the list and not the >sender. Perhaps you should volunteer and contribute that feature to the >community. Suggestion: use the List-Post header. [ Note: This message contains email list management information ] >> 2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, remember? They wouldn't be >> translated. >But the header MAY contain a charset identifier, which may not match the >user's charset, so currently Pine will display it incorrectly. Based on the charset header, an attempt can be made to use a proper filter, or tell the terminal. >> 3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display of a character set is the >> duty of the terminal. >Absurd. On *nix, that is not absurd in the least. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see All generalizations are false, including this one. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA11003; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA03344; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:54:30 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA23037; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:53:52 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA138208 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:53:05 -0700 Received: from srh0902.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@srh0902.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.76.224]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA06994 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:53:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 38800 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Aug 2000 19:53:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 19:53:03 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@srh0902.urh.uiuc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Satya, at 00:39 +0530 on Fri, 4 Aug 2000, wrote: > Suggestion: use the List-Post header. > > [ Note: This message contains email list management information ] Problem: this only applies to composing new messages, and it is out of the way for users to use well. The proper way to handle this is for the user to list someplace the addresses of mailing lists he is on, and if a messages comes in with one of those addresses in the To: or CC: fields, the user has the option of replying solely to the list after hitting "Reply". This is how mutt handles the situation. - -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (FreeBSD) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.9.0 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAjmJzZ4ACgkQVv/RCiYMT6NqvgCfbVJwVTlAXU3IVXDN/OpERtY2 HXMAoKsSLmRJsr5iFHJZqT0bj9sHPWRv =PP9a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id NAA01829; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA03848; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:11:46 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA23902; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:11:20 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA176802 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:10:14 -0700 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA09767 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:10:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 3816 invoked by uid 1828); 3 Aug 2000 20:08:01 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: mattack@area.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE-INFO digest 845 In-Reply-To: <200008030712.AAA13491@lists5.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 pine-info@u.washington.edu wrote: >On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Frank Tobin wrote: > >> Given the number of iso-8859-1-generating MUA's out there (Outlook, >> Eudora), there is often a large amount of wasted screen space when Pine >> warns about having a differing charset than what the viewed message is >> (e.g., about 5 lines, including whitespace): >> >> I recommend that Pine have an option to either surpress or minimize the >> warning. A one-liner like this might suffice given an option change: > >I think a better solution in your case is to change your charset to >ISO-8859-1. Pine will still send text-only messages in US-ASCII, but it >will also be able to send and receive ISO-8859-1 messages without errors. Umm.. but this won't work when viewing on an actual text-based terminal that can 'only' display ASCII.. right? you're talking about telling it to actually display high-bit-set characters and such? >An option to supress the charset warning would still be nice, though. I >don't need to be told whether I can read something. :) I like the idea too. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id PAA09390; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA07864; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:09:38 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA13735; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:09:14 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA21552 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:08:07 -0700 Received: from web616.mail.yahoo.com (web616.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.85]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA19942 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:08:06 -0700 Received: from [206.170.122.15] by web616.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:07:57 PDT Message-Id: <20000803220757.6582.qmail@web616.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "R. Terrell Holmes" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine hangs while entering index mode in INBOX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN IMAP? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id PAA27661; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA08435; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:28:30 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA00627; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:28:11 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA163744 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:27:19 -0700 Received: from web618.mail.yahoo.com (web618.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.87]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA23462 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:27:18 -0700 Received: from [206.170.122.15] by web618.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:27:15 PDT Message-Id: <20000803222715.8574.qmail@web618.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "R. Terrell Holmes" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: Pine Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is this a personal spat? Because I assume the whole list is being subjected to it. > >> Do not Cc list members when replying; it's > annoying. > > > >I've always wished Pine had an easy way to respond > to the list and not the > >sender. Perhaps you should volunteer and contribute > that feature to the > >community. > > Suggestion: use the List-Post header. > > [ Note: This message contains email list > management information ] > > >> 2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, > remember? They wouldn't be > >> translated. > >But the header MAY contain a charset identifier, > which may not match the > >user's charset, so currently Pine will display it > incorrectly. > > Based on the charset header, an attempt can be made > to use a proper > filter, or tell the terminal. > > >> 3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display > of a character set is the > >> duty of the terminal. > >Absurd. > > On *nix, that is not absurd in the least. > > -- > Satya. > US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see > > All generalizations are false, including this one. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id BAA00069; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA21433; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:59:49 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id BAA11008; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:59:29 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA100178 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:57:17 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.6]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA01362 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:57:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:57:13 -0700 Received: from 202.21.8.207 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:57:13 GMT Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Florence Lee" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: URGENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [202.21.8.207] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 08:57:13.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB58A6E0:01BFFDF1] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Anybody knows if pine 3.96 works OK on AIX 4.2.1 Maintenance Level 6 ??? It works OK on Maintenance Level 3... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id CAA18351; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA29608; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:00:40 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id CAA28483; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:00:22 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA158030 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:59:15 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f145.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.145]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id BAA12253 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:59:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 52777 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2000 08:59:11 -0000 Received: from 202.21.8.207 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:59:11 PDT Message-Id: <20000804085911.52776.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:59:11 GMT Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Florence Lee" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Halifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [202.21.8.207] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Anybody knows anything on above FAX s/w that runs on AIX 4.2.1 and also anybody knows where to get documentation of above on web site (what address) ands anybody knows how to use it ??? or is using it ??? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id IAA00945; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA30123; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:57:16 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA04869; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:56:18 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA171200 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:54:38 -0700 Received: from morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu (IDENT:B/i6YDZFrJJE7Sj5vB7AkNUO52zR0g43@morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.61.21]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA14338 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:54:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (lyzhang@localhost) by morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e74FsMB19080; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Lynn Zhang To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Imapmove Tool In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: pine@cac.washington.edu X-Authentication-Warning: morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu: lyzhang owned process doing -bs X-Sender: lyzhang@morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, Do you have any information about University of Washington imap-utils package? Where is the web site address? Where can I get it? The essential utility in this package is called (I believe) imapmove and will be used to move users' email from one server to another. It would be "nice" to have imapmove authenticate via Kerberos. Any help is appreciated! *=======================================* * Lynn Zhang * * LS&A System Services Team * * lyzhang@umich.edu * *=======================================* -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA09936; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA06749; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:42:58 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA20520; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:42:14 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA54932 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:40:53 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA28280 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:40:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA24404 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:38:49 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Charsets, Pine for Unix, and Unicode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Antonopoulos Panagiotis wrote: > Actually, I too, use several languages and would like to be able to see > Greek properly displayed in pine, just as French, German and Italian. As > I am not a technical person, I do not know much of the program > difficulties, but I would certainly appreciate having this ability and > convenience within pine. At this point, it would seem that you have two options, assuming that your terminal emulator is able to display the necessary character sets: 1) For each message that you view, manually change your terminal program to match its character set to the character set of the message. For the languages you mention, this should not be too difficult. 2) Set up "display filters" -- for each charset, have a program that either a) sends an escape sequence to set the terminal program to the right charset, or b) translates the data from its incoming charset to one the the terminal program can handle. The appeal of a Unicode UTF-8 solution would be that it could be done once and would then handle everything from Syriac to Inuktitut. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA23604; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA07475; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:06:29 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA21341; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:03:35 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA56166 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:02:46 -0700 Received: from inhealthrecords.com (208.185.35.gate.above.net [208.185.35.1] (may be forged)) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA32039 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:02:44 -0700 Received: by inhealthrecords.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:04:28 -0400 Received: from Robert [25.0.0.54] by inhealthrecords.com [208.185.35.1] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id DCD07075AD7E4C55A96CD5FE886CAA23 for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:04:28 -0400 Message-Id: <000701bffe35$41dbaa20$36000019@flashcom.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:58:47 -0400 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Robert Dwyer - Inhealth Record Systems" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Write protected character display References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-SLUIDL: 0A226CA6-ED334886-8997D0D8-4D5DA905 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I know this is more of a terminal issue than a PINE one, but I am curious to know whether anyone else has experienced it. I am using Wyse 50 & 60 terminals using a Wyse 50+ personality on our DG/UX system. When I quit PINE, it sends control characters to the terminal that changes the write protected character attributes to Normal (instead of Dim) and turns the Reverse display on. Is there any way to prevent this from happening? Or is there any easy way (other than going into setup) to reverse this?? Robert Dwyer Inhealth Record Systems Atlanta, GA -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA07580; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA32589; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:23:25 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA09815; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:22:56 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA30854 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:22:18 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA30013 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:22:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25428 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:20:09 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Write protected character display In-Reply-To: <000701bffe35$41dbaa20$36000019@flashcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Robert Dwyer - Inhealth Record Systems wrote: > I know this is more of a terminal issue than a PINE one, but I am curious to > know whether anyone else has experienced it. I am using Wyse 50 & 60 > terminals using a Wyse 50+ personality on our DG/UX system. > > When I quit PINE, it sends control characters to the terminal that changes > the write protected character attributes to Normal (instead of Dim) and > turns the Reverse display on. Is there any way to prevent this from > happening? Or is there any easy way (other than going into setup) to > reverse this?? This is most likely a problem in how your termcap or terminfo entry for Wyse50 is set up. Pine can be compiled to use either termcap or terminfo; determining which one is being used can be tricky. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA09681; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA08465; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:41:33 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA23053; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:41:04 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA35926 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:40:27 -0700 Received: from web611.mail.yahoo.com (web611.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.95]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA05488 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:40:27 -0700 Received: from [206.170.120.10] by web611.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:40:23 PDT Message-Id: <20000804174023.21339.qmail@web611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "R. Terrell Holmes" To: Pine Discussion Forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: Pine Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Anybody out there know anything about a version of Pine supported by Mac? Is anyone currently using Pine on a Mac platform? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA09415; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA09513; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:13:25 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA09920; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:11:30 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA40440 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:10:34 -0700 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (root@chinet.com [209.219.112.20]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA05903 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:10:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28017 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:10:24 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:10:24 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: display of character sets and UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN See "UTF-8's usability" section of "Unicode Transformation Formats" http://czyborra.com/utf/ for information on an editor for X11 called Yudit that you may find useful. There's even a note about changing TERMCAP and using display-filters in the .pinerc to see UTF-8. But Bob Rasmussen's won't use it as it's absurd to modify the terminal to correctly display characters, right? Unicode is an attempt to embody all of the world's codes and symbols (and musical notes!) and alphabets in one universal character set. Unicode Transformation Format (UTF) is a coded character set, in other words, a mapping of the symbol to a number. UTF-8 represents characters as 7,8, 16, and 20 bits, a major improvement over an earlier attempt to represent everything as 16 bits. One hopes that if UTF-8 actually is "the way to go" that they are correct about the new 20-bit limit being large enough to encode absolutely everything! In the meantime, the Europeans are still causing trouble by introducing extensions to ASCII for more incompatible representations of "Latin", failing to include Turkish characters in newer, so-called universal extensions, for the usual political reasons. Apparently, WWI has not yet ended... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA27415; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA09656; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:17:52 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA24865; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:17:15 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA168898 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:34 -0700 Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA06059 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:34 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA11688 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (hubert@localhost) by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (8.10.1+UW00.04/8.10.1+UW00.04) with ESMTP id e74IGXs01696 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:34 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Write protected character display In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN The DG/UX port uses terminfo. When a terminfo pine quits it sends the terminfo "rmcup" string to the display. -- Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Bob Rasmussen wrote: > On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Robert Dwyer - Inhealth Record Systems wrote: > > > I know this is more of a terminal issue than a PINE one, but I am curious to > > know whether anyone else has experienced it. I am using Wyse 50 & 60 > > terminals using a Wyse 50+ personality on our DG/UX system. > > > > When I quit PINE, it sends control characters to the terminal that changes > > the write protected character attributes to Normal (instead of Dim) and > > turns the Reverse display on. Is there any way to prevent this from > > happening? Or is there any easy way (other than going into setup) to > > reverse this?? > > This is most likely a problem in how your termcap or terminfo entry for Wyse50 > is set up. Pine can be compiled to use either termcap or terminfo; determining > which one is being used can be tricky. > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA14131; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA07041; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:19:48 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA01120; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:19:22 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA89096 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:18:16 -0700 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA07190 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:18:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 24373 invoked by uid 1828); 4 Aug 2000 21:16:00 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: mattack@area.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: [Unverified Newsgroup header -- Message MAY or MAY NOT have been posted] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN So is there ever a _Verified_ newsgroup header? What exactly is this checking for? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id PAA07973; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA24607; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:29:22 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA18641; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:29:01 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA30822 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:27:21 -0700 Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA00653 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:27:20 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00764 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:25:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAbfaizb; Sun Aug 6 15:25:23 2000 Received: from localhost (fairall@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29532 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:27:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Leslie Fairall To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: return receipt question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: usr01.primenet.com: fairall owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello: I turned on the return receipt feature in my custom headers, and I get receipts from other people most of the time. However, I can't seem to send a return receipt to others when I receive their messages. I thought that you had to set up the return receipt option in sendmail. Can people with linux boxes set the feature up? Please cc all responses. ***** ************************************************** "Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It's just very particular about who it makes friends with." mailto:fairall@primenet.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id QAA23262; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA32654; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:00:30 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA19107; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:00:13 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA30886 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:59:40 -0700 Received: from moshpit.cygnus.com (moshpit.cygnus.com [203.24.38.233]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA02275 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:59:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (bje@localhost) by moshpit.cygnus.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e76MxHx14939; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:59:17 +1000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:59:17 +1000 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ben Elliston To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: return receipt question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Leslie Fairall X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: moshpit.cygnus.com: bje owned process doing -bs X-Sender: bje@moshpit.cygnus.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi Leslie, I turned on the return receipt feature in my custom headers, and I get receipts from other people most of the time. However, I can't seem to send a return receipt to others when I receive their messages. I thought that you had to set up the return receipt option in sendmail. Can people with linux boxes set the feature up? Please cc all responses. There are two things at work here: mail user agents (MUAs) like pine, and mail transport agents (MTAs) like sendmail. Pine can request another MUA to notify it of certain events like a remote user reading a message. This is handled by adding magic headers to the mail message that are not examined by MTAs. There is an emerging standard for this: the "Disposition-Notification-To:" header. Delivery service notifications (DSNs) are requested by the MUA of the MTA, that negotiates them with other MTAs it talks to. ESMTP has extensions to negotiate this as the message is passed between MTAs. This is how you can get receipts that indicate that the message was written to the remote user's mailbox, but nothing more. I have some procmail tricks to tell me when users request read receipts with their MUA and I have another little script to send one (by hand). I pipe their message through this script using Pine's "|" command to autogenerate the receipt: #! /bin/sh (formail -rA"Precedence: junk" -A"X-Loop: bje@redhat.com" \ -I"Subject: Read receipt" \ -A"From: bje@redhat.com (Ben Elliston)" ;\ echo "Your message to Ben Elliston has just been read.") | /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -t It would be nice to know what the plans are for Pine's support for receipts. At the very least, it'd be great if Pine could flag messages which users have requested receipts for. I understand the general reluctance, though, which is that these are often a problem in the presence of mailing lists, etc. Ben From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA32210; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA25151; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:15:09 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA11553; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:14:32 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA89166 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:12:03 -0700 Received: from bastion2.mail.sprint.com (bastion2.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.130]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA08924 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:12:02 -0700 Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion2.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:11:58 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:11:34 -0500 Received: from kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (kcopmp02m [10.74.2.73]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01449 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:11:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from openmail.mail.sprint.com (hpdemo [144.223.179.50]) by kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13031 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:11:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <398F09E4.BBD83E1D@openmail.mail.sprint.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:11:32 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Brian E. Hayward" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: LDAP Configuration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: ats2418@kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com X-Accept-Language: en X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, I currently work for a very large corporation that has a huge LDAP directory, I'm wondering if this is causing me problems with using pine's LDAP service. LDAP Works fine under communicator with the following parameters: Description: ldapserver LDAP Server: ldapserver Server root Port 389 Max Hits 100 Neither Secure nor Login with Password are selected. My pine configuration for ldap is as follows: ldap-servers=ldapserver "/base=/impl=1/rhs=0/ref=0/nosub=0/type=sur-or-given-or-na me-or-email/srch=contains/time=/size=/cust=/nick=/matr=/catr=/satr=/gatr=" Thanks for your help, -- Brian Hayward -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id NAA13634; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA28559; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:54:29 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA26918; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:53:46 -0700 Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA89088 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:29 -0700 Received: from dante03.u.washington.edu (leibrand@dante03.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.5]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA18180; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA33010; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:26 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE-INFO digest 845 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: mattack@area.com X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante03.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 mattack@area.com wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu wrote: > > >I think a better solution in your case is to change your charset to > >ISO-8859-1. Pine will still send text-only messages in US-ASCII, but it > >will also be able to send and receive ISO-8859-1 messages without errors= =2E > > Umm.. but this won't work when viewing on an actual text-based terminal > that can 'only' display ASCII.. right? you're talking about telling it > to actually display high-bit-set characters and such? Have you actually encountered such a terminal? I haven't. So I don't know what it would do when you tell it to display something like an =F1 (n-tilde) or an accented vowel like =E1, =E9, =ED, =F3, or =FA. But I don'= t imagine it would misbehave any worse than if Pine's charset is US-ASCII. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id NAA17768; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA20991; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:55:40 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA27054; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:55:03 -0700 Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (root@jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA27760 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:39:33 -0700 Received: from dante03.u.washington.edu (leibrand@dante03.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.5]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA29284; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:39:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA138302; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:39:31 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Imapmove Tool In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Lynn Zhang X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante03.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Lynn Zhang wrote: > Do you have any information about University of Washington imap-utils > package? Where is the web site address? Where can I get it? > The essential utility in this package is called (I > believe) imapmove and will be used to move users' email from one server to > another. It would be "nice" to have imapmove authenticate via Kerberos. The UW's IMAP site is at http://www.washington.edu/imap/ That's about all I know about it, though. :) -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id PAA15326; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA31563; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:25:35 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA00541; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:25:09 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA21504 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:24:26 -0700 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA19113 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:24:25 -0700 Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA24024 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:24:24 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA28203 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:24:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (postmast@localhost) by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (8.10.1+UW00.04/8.10.1+UW00.04) with ESMTP id e77MOLB12556 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:24:22 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Seth McFarland Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Seth McFarland To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: New Messages on Remote IMAP Server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Info Mailing List X-Sender: postmast@shiva2.cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I've got an incoming folder, TEST, mapped to a remote IMAP server. But, when using TAB to go to the "next new" message, new messages on the IMAP server (and thus in the TEST folder) are not displayed. If I manually select the TEST folder, the messages are there and are flagged as "new" but, as I said, they don't show up when I use tab. Am I doing something wrong or is this just the way PINE is supposed to work? Relevant information: I'm using Pine 3.96 I have rsh-open-timeout set to 0 so I have to log into the TEST folder once per PINE session. __________________________________________ Seth McFarland http://www.rps.net/ptackbar/ "If I go insane, please don't put your wires in my brain." -- Pink Floyd -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id PAA19669; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA24750; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:46:03 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA20337; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:45:38 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA31950 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:44:38 -0700 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA11805 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:44:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 15050 invoked by uid 1828); 7 Aug 2000 22:42:16 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: mattack@area.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE-INFO digest 845 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 mattack@area.com wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu wrote: >> >I think a better solution in your case is to change your charset to >> >ISO-8859-1. Pine will still send text-only messages in US-ASCII, but i= t >> >will also be able to send and receive ISO-8859-1 messages without error= s. >> >> Umm.. but this won't work when viewing on an actual text-based terminal >> that can 'only' display ASCII.. right? you're talking about telling it >> to actually display high-bit-set characters and such? > >Have you actually encountered such a terminal? I haven't. So I don't Yes I have. It's what I use to read Usenet and email at home.. ProTERM (a terminal program, using a vt100 emulator) running on an Apple IIGS. >know what it would do when you tell it to display something like an =F1 >(n-tilde) or an accented vowel like =E1, =E9, =ED, =F3, or =FA. But I don= 't imagine >it would misbehave any worse than if Pine's charset is US-ASCII. They'll turn into wacky 'wrong' characters at the very least. I know that= =20 "smart quotes" turn into Rs and Ss. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id RAA01005; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA02505; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:14:47 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA03374; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:14:26 -0700 Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA158332 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:13:43 -0700 Received: from dante50.u.washington.edu (root@dante50.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id RAA13290; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:13:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante50.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA74894; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:13:41 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE-INFO digest 845 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: mattack@area.com X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante50.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 mattack@area.com wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: > >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 mattack@area.com wrote: > >> Umm.. but this won't work when viewing on an actual text-based termin= al > >> that can 'only' display ASCII.. right? you're talking about telling = it > >> to actually display high-bit-set characters and such? > > > >Have you actually encountered such a terminal? I haven't. So I don't > > Yes I have. It's what I use to read Usenet and email at home.. ProTERM = (a > terminal program, using a vt100 emulator) running on an Apple IIGS. > > >know what it would do when you tell it to display something like an =F1 > >(n-tilde) or an accented vowel like =E1, =E9, =ED, =F3, or =FA. But I d= on't imagine > >it would misbehave any worse than if Pine's charset is US-ASCII. > > They'll turn into wacky 'wrong' characters at the very least. I know tha= t > "smart quotes" turn into Rs and Ss. Yeah. I've seen plenty of that. But I think you'll find (if you view the same message with both charsets) that Pine doesn't display things any differently if you have it on ISO-8859-1 or US-ASCII. The only difference I've seen (between using ISO-8859-1 and US-ASCII) is in whether or not it displays the charset warning. And BTW, because your charset is US-ASCII and you included my accented characters in your reply, I got this warning: [ The following text is in the "X-UNKNOWN" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "ISO-8859-1" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] So I'd advise setting your charset to ISO-8859-1 and see if there are any drawbacks for you. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id SAA20000; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA03722; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:05:06 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id SAA21449; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:04:46 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA56234 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:04:13 -0700 Received: from shackman.divisionbyzero.com (IDENT:postfix@shackman.divisionbyzero.com [205.179.125.71]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA10102 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:04:13 -0700 Received: by shackman.divisionbyzero.com (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 29448B9F46; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shackman.divisionbyzero.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B169CB069 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jon Schatz To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: HTML attachment causes core dump MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN i'm using pine 4.21 on an openBSD machine. I frequently get spams with large html attachments. Like a good boy I forward these off to the abuse contact at the spambag's isp. Lately though I've recieved spam that caused pine to core dump when i try to forward it off. Here's a link to such offending spam (i've recieved several others but have since deleted them): http://www.divisionbyzero.com/spam and here's the accompanying core dump: http://www.divisionbyzero.com/pine.core any ideas what is causing this? -jon Bad men live that they may eat and drink, whereas good men eat and drink that they may live. -- Socrates -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id TAA11822; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA05700; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:47:46 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id TAA06063; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:47:21 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA150316 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:46:42 -0700 Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA30647 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:46:42 -0700 Received: from panix6.panix.com (panix6.panix.com [166.84.0.231]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9F78EBF; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by panix6.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) with ESMTP id WAA16936; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Catherine Thomas To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: enabling fcc in pine 4.21 unix In-Reply-To: <398F09E4.BBD83E1D@openmail.mail.sprint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Brian E. Hayward" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: braille owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Can anyone tell me how to enable the file carbon copy in unix pine 4.21? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Catherine Thomas braille@panix.com / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id TAA20651; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA31011; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:55:07 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id TAA25073; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:54:48 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA42844 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:54:26 -0700 Received: from moshpit.cygnus.com (moshpit.cygnus.com [203.24.38.233]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA31283 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:54:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (bje@localhost) by moshpit.cygnus.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e782ruj20957; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:53:56 +1000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:53:56 +1000 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ben Elliston To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling fcc in pine 4.21 unix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Catherine Thomas X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: moshpit.cygnus.com: bje owned process doing -bs X-Sender: bje@moshpit.cygnus.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Can anyone tell me how to enable the file carbon copy in unix pine 4.21? Thanks. It's there -- hit ^R in the headers when composing to see the Fcc: field. Ben From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id UAA27215; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA31164; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:03:25 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id UAA25217; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:03:04 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA150518 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:02:27 -0700 Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA09777 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:02:27 -0700 Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.0.228]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBAD30FFE; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by panix3.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) with ESMTP id XAA03826; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Catherine Thomas To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling fcc in pine 4.21 unix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ben Elliston X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: braille owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN With my last provider, messages I sent, whether through Compose or Reply, automatically were copied to the sent-mail folder. This is not happening with my new provider. How do I make it happen? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Catherine Thomas braille@panix.com / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id UAA24870; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA06037; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:05:03 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id UAA06463; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:04:37 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA158230 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:03:59 -0700 Received: from moshpit.cygnus.com (moshpit.cygnus.com [203.24.38.233]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA09913 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:03:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (bje@localhost) by moshpit.cygnus.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7833ZT20991; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:03:35 +1000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:03:35 +1000 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ben Elliston To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling fcc in pine 4.21 unix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Catherine Thomas X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: moshpit.cygnus.com: bje owned process doing -bs X-Sender: bje@moshpit.cygnus.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN With my last provider, messages I sent, whether through Compose or Reply, automatically were copied to the sent-mail folder. This is not happening with my new provider. How do I make it happen? Take a look at the "default-fcc" item in the Setup screen. Ben From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id VAA02559; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA32699; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:28:10 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id VAA07876; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:27:51 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA157454 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:27:09 -0700 Received: from dana.randomc.com (IDENT:root@pm-atl-1-74.nbank.net [209.195.11.74]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA16604 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:27:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (dana@localhost) by dana.randomc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01011; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:26:58 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: dana To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling fcc in pine 4.21 unix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Catherine Thomas X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: dana owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN you'all better to get ready for the crash, primenet is getting ready to get rid of there shells. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA20805; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA19427; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:50:37 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA13191; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:50:07 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA59512 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:48:58 -0700 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA20130 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:48:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 9820 invoked by uid 1828); 8 Aug 2000 17:46:32 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: mattack@area.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: re: pine crash In-Reply-To: <200008080711.AAA27257@lists5.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Aug 2000: >i'm using pine 4.21 on an openBSD machine. I frequently get spams with >large html attachments. Like a good boy I forward these off to the abuse >contact at the spambag's isp. Lately though I've recieved spam that caused >pine to core dump when i try to forward it off. Here's a link to such >offending spam (i've recieved several others but have since deleted them): >http://www.divisionbyzero.com/spam > >and here's the accompanying core dump: >http://www.divisionbyzero.com/pine.core > >any ideas what is causing this? I'm on the digest of this list so don't know if anyone else has already answered yet. Plus my answer is going to be vague. This sounds exactly like the problem I was having (not related to html attachments, just crashes when forwarding or replying to various email). There is a patch available. If there are archives for this list (I forget) search for my name and you'll hopefully find the thread. At least it's a *little* bit of a pointer in the right direction. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA15068; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA27370; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:23:21 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA27247; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:22:53 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA169498 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:22:14 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (IDENT:ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA01696 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:22:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28185 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:19:59 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine's treatment of HTML character entities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I just received an email that contained both a text portion and an HTML portion. My Pine (4.21) is configured to display the HTML portion by default, with its built-in HTML viewer. The message contained a character entity for en "en dash", which is Unicode hex 2013. Pine displayed this as hex 13, which is X-off, which promptly locked my keyboard. So the question: what rules govern Pine's HTML viewer's display of characters not contained in my charset? It appears that this behavior is affected by the configuration setting "pass-control-characters-as-is", but turning that off results in the display of the actual character entity sequence. Could this be handled better? -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA28962; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA21054; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:35:22 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA15244; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:34:46 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA48798 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:33:53 -0700 Received: from morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu (IDENT:VOSxkNMg+fvYU4zWWGCD/Jmj06Rqkyzq@morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.61.21]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA19262 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:33:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (lyzhang@localhost) by morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e78IXW522451 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Lynn Zhang To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Mime.types In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu: lyzhang owned process doing -bs X-Sender: lyzhang@morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, Do you know is there an compile time option for the location of "mime.types" ? I know we could define pine.conf in os.h, how about mime.types? Lots of thanks! Lynn Zhang -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA07192; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA22489; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:56 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA29637; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:27 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA32544 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:19:24 -0700 Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA21349 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:19:24 -0700 Received: from mailhost1.u.washington.edu (mailhost1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.2]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA15248; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:19:23 -0700 Received: from jfranklin_ndc.nebula.washington.edu (D-128-95-135-224.dhcp.washington.edu [128.95.135.224]) by mailhost1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id MAA03471; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:19:23 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:19:23 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jeff Franklin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HTML attachment causes core dump In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8869861-30704-965762363=:508" X-To: Jon Schatz X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jpf@shivams.cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --8869861-30704-965762363=:508 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Jon Schatz wrote: > i'm using pine 4.21 on an openBSD machine. I frequently get spams with > large html attachments. Like a good boy I forward these off to the abuse > contact at the spambag's isp. Lately though I've recieved spam that caused > pine to core dump when i try to forward it off. Here's a link to such > offending spam (i've recieved several others but have since deleted them): > http://www.divisionbyzero.com/spam > > and here's the accompanying core dump: > http://www.divisionbyzero.com/pine.core > > any ideas what is causing this? This is a bug that occurs when trying to forward a message that contains particular types of MIME attachments. I don't know what particularly caused the crash in this case. However, the bug will be fixed in the next version of pine, and I've attached a patch that should fix it. 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Martin" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine default MAPI client on WinXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: cmartin@m2.med.unc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I want PC-Pine 4.21 to be my default MAPI client on a Win95 system. U.W's Pine instructions as well as Nancy Gough's advice (http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/) both say this is simply a matter of putting the MAPI32.DLL file that ships with Pine into the SYSTEM folder, replacing the existing file. I have done this but when a Windows program attempts to invoke the MAPI client (i.e., "SendTo" in MS Word), I get this error message: "MAPI32.dll is an invalid Extended MAPI library" Any suggestions on how to implement this? Chris Martin School of Medicine University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill cmartin@unc.edu -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA03090; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA30612; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:01:11 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA16638; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:00:43 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA150490 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:58:46 -0700 Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA04008 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:58:46 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA24657; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:58:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (hubert@localhost) by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (8.10.1+UW00.04/8.10.1+UW00.04) with ESMTP id e79Gwg321379; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:58:44 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Mime.types In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Lynn Zhang X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN If you want you can change the default in the source code by setting MT_STDPATH (see .../pine/mailcap.c). But an easier way to do it is to configure the default in pine.conf with the variable mimetype-search-path -- Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Lynn Zhang wrote: > > Hello, > > Do you know is there an compile time option for the location of > "mime.types" ? > I know we could define pine.conf in os.h, how about mime.types? > > Lots of thanks! > > > > > Lynn Zhang From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA30161; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA25022; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:14:53 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA18055; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:14:11 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA122788 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:09:42 -0700 Received: from morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu (IDENT:VN5D+z2bfaYsGPCEK3jI2criSD3DoncH@morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.61.21]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA17196 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:09:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (lyzhang@localhost) by morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e79H9Ns22880; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Lynn Zhang To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Mime.types In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Steve Hubert X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu: lyzhang owned process doing -bs X-Sender: lyzhang@morse.lsait.lsa.umich.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi Steve and Pine Form users, Thanks very much for the info. Do you know where can I find information on how to compile and install imap-utils? I downloaded the tar file, it contains man pages, but I could not find information on how to compile and install. Thanks! Lynn From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA23187; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA29010; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:10:46 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA24365; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:09:54 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA39660 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:07:40 -0700 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (root@euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA18132 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:07:39 -0700 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (chappa@goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05521; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Eduardo Chappa L." To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Mime.types In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Lynn Zhang X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Lynn Zhang wrote in the pine-info list today: :) Do you know where can I find information on how to compile and install :) imap-utils? :) :) I downloaded the tar file, it contains man pages, but I could not find :) information on how to compile and install. Make sure you have the last version of the imap server compiled, your directory structure should look like % ls imap-2000/ imap-utils.tar.Z uncompress imap-utils, this will create a lot of directories, each one containing a different product. Enter manually to each directory and "make" the product you want. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id NAA28032; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA05718; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:45:28 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA28572; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:44:56 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA138046 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:37:24 -0700 Received: from johanna5.ux.his.no (johanna5.ux.his.no [152.94.1.25]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA12966 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:37:23 -0700 Received: from gorina13.ux.his.no (gorina13.ux.his.no [152.94.1.53]) by johanna5.ux.his.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17165 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:37:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by gorina13.ux.his.no id QAA18640; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:37:21 +0200 (METDST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Atle Weibell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Message to save shrank MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Honored Pine users, I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a local folder: [Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838) ...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message with attachment, and 838 the size without attachment. I also sometimes get another message: [Message size does not match expected size, continuing...] This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments... Anyone knows why this happens? Regards, -- Atle Weibell | atlwe@ux.his.no | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431 | -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id PAA07079; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA02770; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:10:34 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA02122; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:09:50 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA53712 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:08:00 -0700 Received: from ruby.co.clark.nv.us (ruby.co.clark.nv.us [198.200.132.17]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id PAA29839 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:07:59 -0700 Received: by ruby.co.clark.nv.us; (5.65v4.0/1.3/10May95) id AA20888; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:07:59 -0700 Received: from conversion.co.clark.nv.us by mailhub.co.clark.nv.us (PMDF V5.1-12 #29712) id <01JSRQYUJRQ8008FV1@mailhub.co.clark.nv.us>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:07:29 PST Received: from pyrite.co.clark.nv.us by mailhub.co.clark.nv.us (PMDF V5.1-12 #29712) with SMTP id <01JSRQYNGFPS008OCW@mailhub.co.clark.nv.us>; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by pyrite.co.clark.nv.us (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/08May97-0205PM) id AA24250; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:06:46 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joseph Scanlan To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-To: Atle Weibell X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote: > Anyone knows why this happens? No but for me the error is predictable. I always get this message when I try to save a netflix.com message from my inbox to saved-messages. My inbox is on mailandnews.com IMAP server and saved-messages is on one of our own IMAP servers. I can use Netscape to transfer the message. After that, Pine has no problems saveing the same message to other folders on our server. Any ideas? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Scanlan Clark County CEIT Systems Programmer fax 702 455-4932 n7xsd@qsl.net (not work) PO Box 551761 jps@co.clark.nv.us (work) Las Vegas, NV, 89155-1761, USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -- Bertrand Russel From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id QAA13750; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA06045; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:43:31 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA06264; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:42:58 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA54920 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:12 -0700 Received: from mm02snlnto.sandia.gov (mm02snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.21]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id QAA13648 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:11 -0700 Received: from 132.175.109.1 by mm02snlnto.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:41:09 -0600 Received: from es08snlnt.sandia.gov (es08snlnt.sandia.gov [134.253.130.11]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e79Nf9327522; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sasg829.sandia.gov ([134.253.45.38]) by es08snlnt.sandia.gov with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id PQH39J7Y; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:41:09 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:41:01 -0600 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Daniel Sands" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Atle Weibell" X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Server-Uuid: 7edb479a-fd89-11d2-9a77-0090273cd58c X-WSS-ID: 158F339F425200-01-01 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Yeah, your IMAP server is M$ Exchange, and it is configured to give message size estimates instead of actual message sizes. The only thing you can do to change this is to request that your IMAP admin make the appropriate change. On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote: > Honored Pine users, > > I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a > local folder: > > [Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838) > > ...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message with > attachment, and 838 the size without attachment. > > I also sometimes get another message: > [Message size does not match expected size, continuing...] > > This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments... > > Anyone knows why this happens? > > Regards, > -- > Atle Weibell | atlwe@ux.his.no | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431 | > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id RAA23899; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA07534; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:45:10 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA08354; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:44:48 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA99396 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:43:10 -0700 Received: from ruby.co.clark.nv.us (ruby.co.clark.nv.us [198.200.132.17]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA08226 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:43:09 -0700 Received: by ruby.co.clark.nv.us; (5.65v4.0/1.3/10May95) id AA03881; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:43:08 -0700 Received: from conversion.co.clark.nv.us by mailhub.co.clark.nv.us (PMDF V5.1-12 #29712) id <01JSRW9A405C0092YQ@mailhub.co.clark.nv.us>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:42:31 PST Received: from pyrite.co.clark.nv.us by mailhub.co.clark.nv.us (PMDF V5.1-12 #29712) with SMTP id <01JSRVVYO274002L8S@mailhub.co.clark.nv.us>; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:28:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by pyrite.co.clark.nv.us (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/08May97-0205PM) id AA08055; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:28:01 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joseph Scanlan To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-To: Daniel Sands X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Daniel Sands wrote: > Yeah, your IMAP server is M$ Exchange, and it is configured to give > message size estimates instead of actual message sizes. The only > thing you can do to change this is to request that your IMAP admin > make the appropriate change. Interesting. mailandnews.com anounces itself as * OK InterChange IMAP4 Server v3.61.06 Ready Also. I see this if (and only if) the mail comes from netflix.com. Could there be some other explanations? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Scanlan Clark County CEIT Systems Programmer fax 702 455-4932 n7xsd@qsl.net (not work) PO Box 551761 jps@co.clark.nv.us (work) Las Vegas, NV, 89155-1761, USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -- Bertrand Russel From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id SAA25539; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA08273; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:14:41 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id SAA09224; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:14:18 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA145820 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:12:50 -0700 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id SAA13340 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:12:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 24163 invoked by uid 1828); 10 Aug 2000 01:09:37 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: mattack@area.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: expunge everywhere except when quitting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Here's an example of what pine says when I quit: Pine finished -- Closed "INBOX". Kept 1,642 messages and deleted 1. But that is wrong. It really *expunged* one. When I manually hit 'x', it properly says it expunged messages, not deleted them. Maybe I sent email about this before, I don't remember... But it's just an inconsistency with the proper use of expunge everywhere else. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA09206; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA29036; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:17:38 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA24217; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:16:11 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA61714 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:13:14 -0700 Received: from mercury.wntck1.sfba.home.com (c62023-a.wntck1.sfba.home.com [24.5.214.41]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA05425 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:13:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by mercury.wntck1.sfba.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16273 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:13:14 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: chris@c62023-a.wntck1.sfba.home.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: reply-leadin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: chris@mercury.wntck1.sfba.home.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'm using pine-4.21-8 on RedHat 6.2. When I reply to a message, the reply-leadin is on the first line of the reply message. Is there a way to add a line feed in the reply-leadin option to get it down 2 lines like it used to be with the older versions? thanks for the help! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA05531; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA00839; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:21:03 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA29337; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:18:51 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA61716 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:14:29 -0700 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (root@euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA28846 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:14:29 -0700 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (chappa@goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.2]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25534; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Eduardo Chappa L." To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: reply-leadin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: chris@c62023-a.wntck1.sfba.home.com X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** chris@c62023-a.wntck1.sfba.home.com wrote in the pine-info list today: :) I'm using pine-4.21-8 on RedHat 6.2. When I reply to a message, the :) reply-leadin is on the first line of the reply message. Is there a way to :) add a line feed in the reply-leadin option to get it down 2 lines like it :) used to be with the older versions? Chris, It looks like you don't use a signature file, if that's the case then press M S C and make sure that "signature-at-bottom" is not checked in your configuration. If this is not the case, then you can also use roles (press M S R R) and set a template file that contains the definition of the reply-leadin in the position where you want it. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA28584; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA04326; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:14:29 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA03537; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:13:58 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA55094 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:12:14 -0700 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA10750 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:12:14 -0700 Received: from express-res.com (eloise.express-res.com [204.144.242.129]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA09349 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:12:13 -0700 Received: (from carmien@localhost) by express-res.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20006; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:08:38 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:08:37 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Stefan Carmien To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: a question about multiple users in pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Cc: Stefan Carmien , Steve Cornwell X-Sender: carmien@eloise X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Pine guys- I have looked into the searchable archives and I think that this can't be done, but what I want to do is have multiple people login as the same user and simultaneously use pine, further I would like to have mail messages become readonly when anyone opens one up, not much to ask for, eh? I am trying to use e-mail as part of my hotel reservations system to make reservations, but if they can only be accessed one at a time (by one user) I can't keep up with the demand. I am at present desiging a new system I will put together to solve this problem, but in the meanwhile I would like to do this. If pine can't do this, do you have suggestions for a UNIX based solution that could? Thanks, Stefan -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA31920; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA04619; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:24:42 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA18155; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:24:16 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA141302 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:20:48 -0700 Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA15254 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:20:48 -0700 Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26724; Thu, 10 Aug 00 17:20:30 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA07778; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from biohazard-cafe.mit.edu (BIOHAZARD-CAFE.MIT.EDU [18.184.0.31]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA15515; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jmorzins@localhost) by biohazard-cafe.mit.edu (8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19722; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Pine Discussion Forum Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jacob Morzinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: a question about multiple users in pine In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Stefan Carmien X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Stefan Carmien wrote: [...Hard to understand statements about "read-only email messages"...] You haven't refined your ideas enough for us to know what you're trying to do or give an answer directing you toward that goal. However: > If pine can't do this, do you have suggestions for a UNIX > based solution that could? You could look into storing information in usenet news articles instead of in email. Pine can read usenet news. Sincerely, Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA09640; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA09806; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:28:41 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA06370; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:28:07 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA55246 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:26:20 -0700 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (root@euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA19546 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:26:20 -0700 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (chappa@goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.2]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07173; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Eduardo Chappa L." To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: a question about multiple users in pine In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Stefan Carmien X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Stefan Carmien (carmien@express-res.com) wrote today: :) I have looked into the searchable archives and I think :) that this can't be done, but what I want to do is have multiple :) people login as the same user and simultaneously use pine, further :) I would like to have mail messages become readonly when anyone :) opens one up, not much to ask for, eh? I am trying to use e-mail Stefan, I would recommend to convert your folders to "mbx" format (if you want your inbox converted to mbx format you'll be forced to use a delivery tool like procmail to get the delivery done). "mbx" format allows multiple access to the same folder (so one person accessing the folder won't lock the whole folder for the rest). "mbx" format will not make a folder become "read only" when someone else opens a message up, but it will have automatic update of flags, so if you have a person open up a message with a "N" flag (which therefore should get a "R" flag), this wil be noticed by other people accessing the same folder as soon as they update their status in the folder (which is done by just moving the cursor between messages in the index). This is the closest that I can think of that you are asking for. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id NAA19660; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA04119; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:37 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA05321; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:20:55 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA147070 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:18:25 -0700 Received: from johanna5.ux.his.no (johanna5.ux.his.no [152.94.1.25]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA12165 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:18:24 -0700 Received: from gorina13.ux.his.no (gorina13.ux.his.no [152.94.1.53]) by johanna5.ux.his.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25238 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:18:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by gorina13.ux.his.no id QAA22562; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:18:17 +0200 (METDST) Reply-To: Atle Weibell Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Atle Weibell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN My ISP is running IMAIL as mailserver...but it's possible that they both do the same thing... Anyway, that is only concerned with the last issue - that message size doesn't match expected size, and not with the 'message to save shrank'-case, I suppose. -- Atle Weibell | atle@weibell.no | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431 | Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T after you. On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Daniel Sands wrote: > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:41:01 -0600 > From: Daniel Sands > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: Re: Message to save shrank > > Yeah, your IMAP server is M$ Exchange, and it is configured to give message > size estimates instead of actual message sizes. The only thing you can do to > change this is to request that your IMAP admin make the appropriate change. > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote: > > > Honored Pine users, > > > > I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a > > local folder: > > > > [Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838) > > > > ...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message with > > attachment, and 838 the size without attachment. > > > > I also sometimes get another message: > > [Message size does not match expected size, continuing...] > > > > This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments... > > > > Anyone knows why this happens? > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Atle Weibell | atlwe@ux.his.no | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431 | > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id XAA31441; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA21904; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:14:29 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id XAA20384; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:13:18 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA118282 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:12:32 -0700 Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA03516 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:12:31 -0700 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.worldonline.nl [194.151.128.14]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id BFCC736B35; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:12:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:12:26 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: Atle Weibell X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I, too, have been having problems with message to save shrank for some months. The problem started when my provider installed a different io handler. If I look at the headers, I see that this new io handler adds a line to the first "Received:" header: for example, (envelope-from PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu) If I log on to pine and do not open the INBOX and then quit the automatic move to mbox works fine, however neither the automatic move or the manual save to mbox will work if the INBOX has actually been opened. The message will shrink by a certain number of bytes, depending upon who sent the message. In the above example (PINE-INFO as sender) the message to save shrinks by 64 bytes - the above line is however only about 48 bytes. If I look at the headers in the pine INBOX I see that the previous line appears to be too long (DST is in the wrong place): Received: from put.worldonline.nl (relay-2.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.138]) by pop3-1.worldonline.nl (8.9.3 (WOL 1.2)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22295 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:54 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu) If I then count immediately after MET and count all spaces it's 64 bytes. If I look at the saved header from the mbox (assuming I can somehow convince the message to move there), I see that the previous line seems to be OK, if indeed a trifle long for comfort (76 bytes plus $0A $09). Can it be that pine expands the TAB to spaces and then recompresses? It it getting confused because the expanded line is now over 80 bytes? Will this problem disappear magically if I have the provider upgrade to 4.21 Unix (presently 3.96)? If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to add the rest manually! There are other problems with the INBOX as well, that may or may not be related to the message shrank problem, but certainly are related to the change in io handler: 1) some messages appear twice in the Index - if you read one and quit, the "duplicate" is gone on the next login. 2) sometimes messages that aren't marked for deletion are expunged with those that are marked. However, on the next login they're (usually) back again where they belong. 3) sometimes (rarely) messages that are marked for deletion won't expunge. Once a message has made it to the mbox, there are no further problems with it - it can't be moved at will to another folder or whatever. Can anyone shed any light on the subject? Bruce Cohen On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote: > Honored Pine users, >I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a >local folder: >[Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838) >...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message >with >attachment, and 838 the size without attachment. >I also sometimes get another message: >[Message size does not match expected size, continuing...] >This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments... >Anyone knows why this happens? >Regards, >-- >Atle Weibell | atlwe@ux.his.no | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id XAA31481; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA22033; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:22:05 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id XAA20482; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:21:16 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA46048 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:20:53 -0700 Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA07642 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:20:52 -0700 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.worldonline.nl [194.151.128.14]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id C531D36B35; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:20:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:20:50 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: Atle Weibell X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Forgot one: Sorting by date in the INBOX no longer works correctly, as well - it's ALMOST right, but a few messages will appear out of order... Bruce On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote: > I, too, have been having problems with message to save shrank for some months. > The problem started when my provider installed a different io handler. > If I look at the headers, I see that this new io handler adds a line to > the first "Received:" header: for example, > > (envelope-from PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu) > > If I log on to pine and do not open the INBOX and then > quit the automatic move to mbox works fine, however neither the automatic move > or the manual save to mbox will work if the INBOX has actually been opened. > > The message will shrink by a certain number of bytes, depending upon who sent > the message. In the above example (PINE-INFO as sender) the message to save > shrinks by 64 bytes - the above line is however only about 48 bytes. > > If I look at the headers in the pine INBOX I see that the previous line appears to be > too long (DST is in the wrong place): > > Received: from put.worldonline.nl (relay-2.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.138]) > by pop3-1.worldonline.nl (8.9.3 (WOL 1.2)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22295 > for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:54 +0200 (MET > DST) > (envelope-from PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu) > > If I then count immediately after MET and count all spaces it's 64 bytes. > > If I look at the saved header from the mbox (assuming I can somehow convince > the message to move there), I see that the previous line seems to be OK, if > indeed a trifle long for comfort (76 bytes plus $0A $09). Can it be that > pine expands the TAB to spaces and then recompresses? It it getting confused > because the expanded line is now over 80 bytes? Will this problem disappear > magically if I have the provider upgrade to 4.21 Unix (presently 3.96)? > > If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way > it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to > add the rest manually! > > There are other problems with the INBOX as well, that may or may not be > related to the message shrank problem, but certainly are related to the > change in io handler: > > 1) some messages appear twice in the Index - if you read one and quit, the > "duplicate" is gone on the next login. > > 2) sometimes messages that aren't marked for deletion are expunged with > those that are marked. However, on the next login they're (usually) back again > where they belong. > > 3) sometimes (rarely) messages that are marked for deletion won't expunge. > > Once a message has made it to the mbox, there are no further problems with > it - it can't be moved at will to another folder or whatever. > > Can anyone shed any light on the subject? > > Bruce Cohen > > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote: > > > Honored Pine users, > > >I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a > >local folder: > > >[Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838) > > >...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message > >with > >attachment, and 838 the size without attachment. > > >I also sometimes get another message: > >[Message size does not match expected size, continuing...] > > >This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments... > > >Anyone knows why this happens? > > >Regards, > >-- > >Atle Weibell | atlwe@ux.his.no | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431 > > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id IAA07318; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA31466; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:36:53 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA24708; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:36:29 -0700 Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (root@jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA150428 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:35:25 -0700 Received: from dante50.u.washington.edu (dante50.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id IAA32558; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:35:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante50.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA51604; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:35:24 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bruce Cohen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante50.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote: > If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way > it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to > add the rest manually! Have you tried using ^J to justify it? I get this behavior when quoting text produced by certain GUI mail clients that don't do any wrapping on outgoing mail. ^J takes care of the entire paragraph. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA01326; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA25256; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:46:48 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA18778; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:46:00 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA118452 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:43:39 -0700 Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA00975; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:43:38 -0700 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.worldonline.nl [194.151.128.14]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id A147936C0F; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:43:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:43:37 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: Bruce Cohen Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Tried it but it doesn't fix the problem. Anyhow it is definitely related to the header problem - quoting was fine until message to save shrank happened. Do the pine developers follow the forum? Bruce On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote: > If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way > it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to > add the rest manually! Have you tried using ^J to justify it? I get this behavior when quoting text produced by certain GUI mail clients that don't do any wrapping on outgoing mail. ^J takes care of the entire paragraph. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id VAA09626; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA01813; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:00:27 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id UAA15335; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:59:19 -0700 Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (root@jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA150278 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:57:32 -0700 Received: from dante50.u.washington.edu (dante50.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id UAA24216 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:57:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante50.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA50232 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:57:31 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante50.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote: > Do the pine developers follow the forum? Yes, they do. If you want, you can also send a message to pine@cac.washington.edu (or pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu if you're sure you've found a bug that hasn't been previously identified). There's no guarantee you'll get a response, though. Their job is to produce new and improved versions of Pine, not necessarily to answer everyone's Pine questions. :) -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id WAA11618; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA31888; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:16 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id WAA26506; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:54:52 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA21848 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:53:20 -0700 Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h021.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.235]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id WAA14618 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:53:19 -0700 Received: (cpmta 890 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2000 22:53:18 -0700 Received: from dns.packetdesign.net (HELO mailman.packetdesign.com) (216.15.46.10) by smtp.packetdesign.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2000 22:53:18 -0700 Received: from packetdesign.com ([192.168.0.254]) by mailman.packetdesign.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA37590; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from casner@acm.org) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Stephen Casner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Index coloring based on status? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: casner@oak X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 05:53:18 GMT X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I know that it is possible to change the color of the message status symbols, but I would like to change the color of the whole index line based on the status. I have set up some index line coloring based on To and Cc patterns, but I don't see any way to affect the color based on the status. The patterns appear to test only the header fields, whereas the status of the message may be indicated in different ways (and not always in a header line) for different mailbox formats. Am I missing something? The help text didn't give any hint. -- Steve -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id AAA22278; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA05215; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:14:54 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id AAA27724; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:13:31 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA16186 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:11:50 -0700 Received: from pandora.worldonline.nl (pandora.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.140]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA28701; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:11:49 -0700 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.worldonline.nl [194.151.128.14]) by pandora.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id EC9FD36B2E; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:12:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:11:48 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: Bruce Cohen Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'm beginning to think that it's a bug - I can't view the msgs in hex on whatever remote machine INBOX connects to, but as I look at them in the mbox I think that pine should be able to handle the headers...the only thing I can come up with is that pine has to be expanding the tabs into spaces causing some lines to overflow, which then confuses pine itself. (for the record, the below has been ^J'd) On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: > On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote: > Do the pine developers follow the forum? Yes, they do. If you want, you can also send a message to pine@cac.washington.edu (or pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu if you're sure you've found a bug that hasn't been previously identified). There's no guarantee you'll get a response, though. Their job is to produce new and improved versions of Pine, not necessarily to answer everyone's Pine questions. :) -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id AAA12896; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA05323; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:19:25 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id AAA13094; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:19:02 -0700 Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA116676 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:17:07 -0700 Received: from dante50.u.washington.edu (dante50.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id AAA39612 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:17:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante50.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA47920 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante50.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Please wait a second while I hit myself over the head with a 2x4... Ok. Done with that. Now what I should have told you the first time is that you need to upgrade to Pine 4.21. You're still using 3.96, so it's no wonder things don't work the way I expect. :) -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA08130; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA26587; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:17:56 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA06188; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:17:30 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA36052 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:15:18 -0700 Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA27996; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:15:16 -0700 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.worldonline.nl [194.151.128.14]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 3874736B9D; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:15:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:15:15 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Leibrand X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Will 4.21 deal properly with the header as described? I don't really wan't to ask the provider to upgrade if it won't fix the problem. Bruce On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: > Please wait a second while I hit myself over the head with a 2x4... Ok. Done with that. Now what I should have told you the first time is that you need to upgrade to Pine 4.21. You're still using 3.96, so it's no wonder things don't work the way I expect. :) -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id HAA21038; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA16247; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:02:47 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA22223; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:01:16 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA38562 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:00:26 -0700 Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.32.12]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA21358 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:00:25 -0700 Received: from mother.stands.alone (root@max2-019.dialin.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.45.19]) by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23616 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:00:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (till@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mother.stands.alone (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id PAA02828 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:58:01 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:58:00 +0200 (MEST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Till_Sch=F6nefeld?= To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Overriding default From:-Entry in "Default Role"? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Sender: till@mother.stands.alone X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello pine-team and users, I'm using pine 4.10 on a stand-alone linux machine with dial-up connection. When sending mail from pine using "Default Role" (i.e. no _role_ selected), the mail is spooled using my local systems e-mail address (e.g. foo@machine.stands-alone, bar@localhost) instead of my _real_ internet e-mail address. Those messages won't be delivered to my provider's mail host for further sending but returned to me with complaints about non-existing sender domains. Is there a possibility (by user configuration) to make pine fill-in the From:-field even in "Default Role"? Thanks in advance Till Schönefeld -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id HAA22991; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA17303; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:49:05 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id HAA07104; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:47:52 -0700 Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (root@jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA73044 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:47:15 -0700 Received: from dante09.u.washington.edu (leibrand@dante09.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.19]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id HAA17176 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:47:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante09.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id HAA118608 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:47:14 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Overriding default From:-Entry in "Default Role"? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante09.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Till Sch=F6nefeld wrote: > Is there a possibility (by user configuration) to make pine fill-in the > From:-field even in "Default Role"? Yes, you can. Check out Nancy's Changing From page at http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/ for instructions. --=20 Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA30680; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA30478; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:21:02 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA14937; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:18:05 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA107122 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:16:20 -0700 Received: from bard.edu (bard.edu [192.246.229.10]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA00673 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:16:19 -0700 Received: from bard.edu (goober.bard.edu [192.246.229.240]) by bard.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19826 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:05:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3999B3A4.56D1B@bard.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:18:28 -0400 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Stewart Dean To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Problems with the Pine personal-name datum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Background:=================================== We use an old level (3.95) of Pine on our UNIX/AIX IMAP mail server. We have had it around a long time. At this point about a fifth of our users use as a legacy app after telenting in, while most new users use Netscape Messenger. There are some situations where Pine is preferable. The Problem:=================================== We are looking to be able to serve various application requirements through web-based apps. We need to be able to uniquely identify the user and be able to associate him or her to the college's Banner administrative system/database. Recently we made a change to the gecos field in the Unix passwd file to add the Banner key. Checking the various documentation for mail, sendmail and Netscape Messenger, I found that they will treat a forward slash a percent sign as a delimiter and ignore the delimiter and anything after it when determining the the user name to put in the From: (sender) field. I chose to use a percent sign because a forward slash had some unwanted side effects (follwing text ended up as the Plan) Thus a passwd file line that might have looked like this: geoburnssdean:George Burns:/home/igeoburns:/bin/ksh was changed to: geoburnssdean:George Burns%00661685:/home/geoburns:/bin/ksh This worked fine in almost all respects....except that the personal name datum in our Pine 3.95 ends up as: personal-name = Apparently, Pine doesn't observe the delimiter convention and thus the key and the percent sign delimter ends up in the Sender field. Is there anything to be done about this? My thanks in advance for your assistance......... -- Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 sdean@bard.edu voice: 914-758-7475, fax: 914-758-7035 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id CAA13269; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA12876; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:53:51 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id CAA01645; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:53:31 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA22476 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:52:12 -0700 Received: from ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de [194.95.66.3]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id CAA08082 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:52:12 -0700 Received: from rr-2s01.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (rr-2s01.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de [194.95.66.2]) by ux-2s02.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19040 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:48:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [10.110.1.150] (helo=PC-2M10) by rr-2s01.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 13OzoH-00019l-00 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:48:33 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:53:47 +0200 (CET) Reply-To: Steffen.Kaiser@fh-rhein-sieg.de Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steffen Kaiser To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PC-Pine crash when filtering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: skaise2a@rr-2s01.inf.fh-rhein-sieg.de X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, my PC-Pine v4.21 keeps crashing now and then when it filters mails. It then says: Problem detected "Bad msgno 0 in mail_eltm nmsgs = 665" Pine exiting. The "nmsgs" specifies the number of message _before_ filtering. When I login into an Unix machine and run pine there, all the filtered messages are tagged "D"; when I remove them, I can start PC-Pine. Is there some work-around for this crash? Bye, -- Steffen Kaiser FH Bonn-Rhein-Sieg | e-mail: Steffen.Kaiser@FH-Rhein-Sieg.DE FB Angewandte Informatik | Grantham Allee 20 | phone : +49 2241/865-203 53757 Sankt Augustin | Germany - Deutschland | fax : +49 2241/865-761 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA29411; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA22518; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:39:56 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA10510; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:39:15 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA44276 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:38:17 -0700 Received: from titanic.ucdavis.edu (titanic.ucdavis.edu [169.237.235.172]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA14118 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:38:17 -0700 Received: from rete (rete.ucdavis.edu [169.237.235.182]) by titanic.ucdavis.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 087991A70A for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: rivkah isseroff To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: bcc/ undisclosed list recipients MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: rivkah@rete X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi- I once knew how to do this, but have forgotten. Can someone remind me? How to list only the name of an address book list in the "to" line of the header, without disclosing the entire list membership.I vauggely recall something about ending the list name with a semicolon or a colon. thanks, rivkah isseroff -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA30616; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA22586; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:42:30 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA10728; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:42:07 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA137468 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:41:33 -0700 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (root@euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA27935 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:41:32 -0700 Received: from goedel1.math.washington.edu (chappa@goedel1.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.2]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08857; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: bcc/ undisclosed list recipients In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: rivkah isseroff X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** rivkah isseroff wrote in the pine-info list today: :) Hi- :) I once knew how to do this, but have forgotten. Can someone remind me? When you have the cursor in the headers, press CTRL-R, and enter all the addresses you don't want displayed in the Bcc: field. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA07136; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA22627; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:44:23 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA03048; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:43:58 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA153150 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:43:00 -0700 Received: from usceast.cs.sc.edu (usceast.cs.sc.edu [129.252.11.9]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA14962 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:42:59 -0700 Received: from pearl.cs.sc.edu (pearl.cs.sc.edu [129.252.130.40]) by usceast.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22437 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (gopalan@localhost) by pearl.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05346 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine crash when filtering In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: pearl.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Steffen Kaiser wrote: > my PC-Pine v4.21 keeps crashing now and then when it filters > mails. It then says: Problem detected "Bad msgno 0 in mail_eltm > nmsgs = 665" Pine exiting. This is a known bug. When there are no new messages in your INBOX but the ones that were filtered out, your highlight bar will be on message n+1 where n is the number of messages in your Inbox. After you read the filtered messages in their respective folders, when you come back, Pine will be at message 0. The work-around is to move the highlight bar to some visible location by moving it UP, BEFORE you go to your other folders to read filtered messages. You can also move it down after you come back to the Inbox. Make sure you don't try to view any message or move the highlight bar further out of bounds when it is in such an invalid state. A fix was posted on comp.mail.pine by, Jeff Franklin, some time ago. Here's the link on Deja.com for his patch: http://x68.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=625482349&CONTEXT=966444090.1183055898&hitnum=7 Hope this helps, Gopi. -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cs.sc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA17916; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA22728; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:47:10 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA11088; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:46:31 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA158248 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:45:07 -0700 Received: from usceast.cs.sc.edu (usceast.cs.sc.edu [129.252.11.9]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA13059 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:45:07 -0700 Received: from pearl.cs.sc.edu (pearl.cs.sc.edu [129.252.130.40]) by usceast.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22465; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (gopalan@localhost) by pearl.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05347; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC-Pine crash when filtering In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Steffen.Kaiser@fh-rhein-sieg.de X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: pearl.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Steffen Kaiser wrote: > my PC-Pine v4.21 My mistake. I didn't remember you were talking about PC-Pine. My previous reply may not be valid. Well, it's still a known bug. I'm not sure how you'd fix it :-( The work-around is still valid though. Gopi. -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cs.sc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA24927; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA25410; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:49:28 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA03418; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:48:50 -0700 Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (root@jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA158234 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:47:53 -0700 Received: from dante50.u.washington.edu (dante50.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA30536 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:47:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante50.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA47628 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:47:51 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: bcc/ undisclosed list recipients In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: All you wonderful people: ; X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante50.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Pine will do this automatically if you press ^R and put a distribution list in the Lcc: field. If you want to do it manually, just put some text followed by a colon in the To: field. Pine will then add a space and a semicolon. That's what I did on this message, so it has a To: field that reads "All you wonderful people: ;". I left pine-info in the Cc: field, though, so as not to mess up anyone's filtering. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, rivkah isseroff wrote: > Hi- > I once knew how to do this, but have forgotten. Can someone remind me? How > to list only the name of an address book list in the "to" line of the > header, without disclosing the entire list membership.I vauggely recall > something about ending the list name with a semicolon or a colon. > > thanks, rivkah isseroff > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA15561; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA22881; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:52:31 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA11572; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:51:49 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA176694 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:50:47 -0700 Received: from usceast.cs.sc.edu (usceast.cs.sc.edu [129.252.11.9]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA16386 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:50:46 -0700 Received: from pearl.cs.sc.edu (pearl.cs.sc.edu [129.252.130.40]) by usceast.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22525 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (gopalan@localhost) by pearl.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05339 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: bcc/ undisclosed list recipients In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: pearl.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, rivkah isseroff wrote: > How to list only the name of an address book list in the "to" line > of the header, without disclosing the entire list membership. Put them in the Bcc or Lcc header. > I vauggely recall something about ending the list name with a > semicolon or a colon. After you do the above, the To: header may still need a sane value like the Name of the list. This is typically some string followed by ": ;" So a valid List name would be "Pine Discussion List: ;" You can add this manually, or have Pine do it for you by setting your string in the empty-header-message option in your Pine configuration. Hope this helps, Gopi. -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cs.sc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA32524; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA22916; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:53:15 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA18246; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:52:47 -0700 Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (root@jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA34632 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:51:26 -0700 Received: from dante50.u.washington.edu (dante50.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id JAA38592 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:51:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante50.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA60370 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:51:24 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: bcc/ undisclosed list recipients In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante50.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I guess that doesn't work for sending mail to listprocs. The list processor removed my fancy To: field and put pine-info in the To: field. Oh well. :) -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote: > Pine will do this automatically if you press ^R and put a distribution > list in the Lcc: field. If you want to do it manually, just put some text > followed by a colon in the To: field. Pine will then add a space and a > semicolon. That's what I did on this message, so it has a To: field that > reads "All you wonderful people: ;". I left pine-info in the Cc: field, > though, so as not to mess up anyone's filtering. > > -- > Scott Leibrand > leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, rivkah isseroff wrote: > > > Hi- > > I once knew how to do this, but have forgotten. Can someone remind me? How > > to list only the name of an address book list in the "to" line of the > > header, without disclosing the entire list membership.I vauggely recall > > something about ending the list name with a semicolon or a colon. > > > > thanks, rivkah isseroff > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA26957; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA01928; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:02 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA19157; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:02:31 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA30806 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:56:31 -0700 Received: from cfdlab.aero.iisc.ernet.in (IDENT:root@cfdlab.aero.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.73.78]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA19378 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:56:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (mohit@localhost) by cfdlab.aero.iisc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02465 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:23:34 +0530 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:23:34 +0530 (IST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mohit Agarwal To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: new mail? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, I use Pine 4.10 on Linux, and use procmail to filter mails to different folders. For this purpose, I've also enabled incoming folders. But there's a strange problem. For simplicity consider that I have 5 incoming folders named 1, 2 and so on, besides the inbox (i.e. /var/spool/mail/mohit). So the mails that get filtered to these folders never appear when I type nfrm on logging in, I can however press TAB while in the inbox to see if there are new mails in these. However, this is not the problem. I can also write a small script that would tell me where the new mails are. But the more annoying thing is that if there is no new mail in the inbox, and there are new mails in any of the folders 1 to 5, then I don't get a message at the login time telling me that I have new mail. Similarly, finger information also doesn't reveal any new mails in those folders. Still more annoying! I realize that these are related things, but couldn't figure out a solution. Any suggestions? Regards, Mohit -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA16450; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA03647; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:49:04 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA21252; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:48:26 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA53868 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:47:10 -0700 Received: from usceast.cs.sc.edu (usceast.cs.sc.edu [129.252.11.9]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA08336 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:47:10 -0700 Received: from pearl.cs.sc.edu (pearl.cs.sc.edu [129.252.130.40]) by usceast.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA35515 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (gopalan@localhost) by pearl.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08314 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: new mail? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine-info Mailing List X-Authentication-Warning: pearl.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Long and a bit off-topic. Apologies. On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Mohit Agarwal wrote: > the more annoying thing is that if there is no new mail in the > inbox, and there are new mails in any of the folders 1 to 5, then > I don't get a message at the login time telling me that I have new > mail. nfrm checks your spool file. If procmail has moved them away, it won't see anything. > Similarly, finger information also doesn't reveal any new mails in > those folders. Still more annoying! Same problem. > I realize that these are related things, but couldn't figure out a > solution. The first thing that pops into my head is that you upgrade to Pine 4.21 and use its filtering. The tradeoff is that you may not have some of the more advanced features that procmail has, available to you for filtering. Also, being on a University campus, it may be difficult to justify the upgrade to your SysAdmin. The advantage of upgrading and using Pine's internal filter is that all delivered messages stay in your INBOX until you open it (Inbox). This means that nfrm, login and fingerd will see your messages correctly(?). Hope this helps. Gopi. -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cs.sc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id WAA06850; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA15715; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:17:05 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id WAA00747; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:12:21 -0700 Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (root@jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA22988 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:10:36 -0700 Received: from dante35.u.washington.edu (leibrand@dante35.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.195]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id WAA44872 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:10:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (leibrand@localhost) by dante35.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA14082 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:10:34 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Leibrand To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: new mail? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: leibrand@dante35.u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I don't use procmail, but I have a similar mail-filtering program that filters things to Incoming folders. What I've found most useful it to run a script that runs tail -f on the filter log file. That way I see what's been delivered last, and get instant notification when new mail comes in. -- Scott Leibrand leibrand+pine@u.washington.edu (Yes, that is a valid address.) http://students.washington.edu/leibrand * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Mohit Agarwal wrote: > Hello, > > I use Pine 4.10 on Linux, and use procmail to filter mails to different > folders. For this purpose, I've also enabled incoming folders. But there's a > strange problem. For simplicity consider that I have 5 incoming folders named > 1, 2 and so on, besides the inbox (i.e. /var/spool/mail/mohit). So the mails > that get filtered to these folders never appear when I type nfrm on logging > in, I can however press TAB while in the inbox to see if there are new mails > in these. However, this is not the problem. I can also write a small script > that would tell me where the new mails are. But the more annoying thing is > that if there is no new mail in the inbox, and there are new mails in any of > the folders 1 to 5, then I don't get a message at the login time telling me > that I have new mail. Similarly, finger information also doesn't reveal any > new mails in those folders. Still more annoying! I realize that these are > related things, but couldn't figure out a solution. > > Any suggestions? > > Regards, > Mohit > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id IAA04301; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA27350; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:22:23 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id IAA22462; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:20:47 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA61848 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:19:33 -0700 Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA30952 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:19:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (karlmac@localhost) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24889 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:20:13 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Karl MacMillan To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Locking problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I am having some problems with the locking in /tmp. Some background - I just upgraded from a solaris 7 box with pine 3.94 to a redhat 6.2 box with pine 4.21 (from the redhat package). The problem is that a lot of users (but not all) are getting the error 'Trying to get mailbox lock from process xxxx' - which eventually fails and the inbox is opened read-only. Further investigation shows that these users are all trying to grab the mailbox lock /tmp/.902.0 - which they can't because it is owned by another user which makes the default lock overriding fail. As these locks are supposed to be based on inode numbers I am not certain how this problem could come about (/var/spool/mail is a software raid5 partition in case this matters). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Karl -- _____________________________________________________ | Karl W. MacMillan | | Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University | | Network and Telecommunications Services | | karlmac@peabody.jhu.edu | | 410/659-8297 | ----------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA29811; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA31387; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:23:36 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA15363; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:22:38 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA99430 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:21:51 -0700 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (root@euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA30296 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:21:51 -0700 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (chappa@goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22934 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine authentication for Relayd (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I received the following question, does any one know the answer? -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: firo@redspark.com To: Eduardo Chappa Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Pine authentication for Relayd I have a question though: my ISP has relayd (a relay checker program that allows only authenticated users to relay through their SMTP servers) installed on a Linux box. I am using Pine 4.21 on that box, but I can't send email from pine! It says "relay denied, check mail first" (meaning that it needs me to authenticate to POP3 before being able to relay to SMTP. Is there a way for pine to do that? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA08029; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA01662; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:54:11 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA25640; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:53:37 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA34672 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:52:53 -0700 Received: from isr5019.urh.uiuc.edu (qmailr@isr5019.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.208.13]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id MAA16277 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:52:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 8629 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Aug 2000 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Aug 2000 19:52:51 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Frank Tobin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine authentication for Relayd (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ftobin@isr5019.urh.uiuc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Eduardo Chappa, at 11:21 -0700 on Fri, 18 Aug 2000, wrote: > I have a question though: my ISP has relayd (a relay checker program > that allows only authenticated users to relay through their SMTP > servers) installed on a Linux box. I am using Pine 4.21 on that box, > but I can't send email from pine! It says "relay denied, check mail > first" (meaning that it needs me to authenticate to POP3 before being > able to relay to SMTP. Is there a way for pine to do that? This seems like a strange scenario, catered to the Windows/Mac world. I'm curious if Pine on that box is configured to do the SMTP'ing itself to the localhost, or does it call the mailer (e.g., sendmail) on the box? -- Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id NAA16933; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA02303; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:13:55 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA19353; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:13:25 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA48838 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:12:45 -0700 Received: from usceast.cs.sc.edu (usceast.cs.sc.edu [129.252.11.9]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA23828 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:12:45 -0700 Received: from pearl.cs.sc.edu (pearl.cs.sc.edu [129.252.130.40]) by usceast.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA44371 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (gopalan@localhost) by pearl.cs.sc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09611 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine authentication for Relayd (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: pearl.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, firo@redspark.com wrote: > my ISP has relayd (a relay checker program that allows only > authenticated users to relay through their SMTP servers) installed > on a Linux box. I am using Pine 4.21 on that box, but I can't send > email from pine! Random guess: Try adding a /user=xyzzy at the end of the SMTP server specification. Question: If on a Linux box, why bother with SMTP servers anyway ? Why not just let Pine pass the message off to sendmail and let it directly send the message ? Gopi. -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cs.sc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id NAA02576; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA02352; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:15:15 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id NAA03505; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:14:40 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA42944 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:14:00 -0700 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.72.0.53]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA09677 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:14:00 -0700 Received: from grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.34]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA04256; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA26867; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu (SCRUBBING-BUBBLES.MIT.EDU [18.184.0.32]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA16127; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jmorzins@localhost) by scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu (8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25189; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jacob Morzinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine authentication for Relayd (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: firo@redspark.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN It's hard to answer the question without knowing the details of how your ISP's relay checker works. I've heard of them, but I'm not familiar with the procedure they follow to authenticate a potential user. Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > I received the following question, does any one know the answer? [...] > From: firo@redspark.com > > I have a question though: my ISP has relayd (a relay checker program > that allows only authenticated users to relay through their SMTP > servers) installed on a Linux box. I am using Pine 4.21 on that box, > but I can't send email from pine! It says "relay denied, check mail > first" (meaning that it needs me to authenticate to POP3 before > being able to relay to SMTP. Is there a way for pine to do that? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA19415; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA13741; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:17:38 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA16836; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:17:05 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA151546 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:15:12 -0700 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (root@euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA14800 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:15:12 -0700 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (chappa@goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09591 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: Pine authentication for Relayd (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear all, Just for your info, the problem was solved by not defining the SMTP server. The message confirming this follows, -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: firo@redspark.com To: chappa@math.washington.edu Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:08:54 -0700 Subject: RE: Pine authentication for Relayd (fwd) Aha! That was it! That solved the whole problem! I didn't have an SMTP server set, so it was by default trying to send through the default SMTP server. I guess the order is: 1- Use SMTP server (if set) 2- Check if sendmail path is defined, if so, use sendmail 3- If both are not available, send through default SMTP from the pine.conf file When I set the sendmail path, everything works fine! Thank you so much for your help.. You're a life-saver! :) Firo [- Firo Sleiman - Senior Web Developer -] [- firo@redspark.com | 415-547-2062 -] From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA11967; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA23088; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:07:50 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA12684; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:07:12 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA22880 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:04:20 -0700 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA32652 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:04:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 27595 invoked by uid 1828); 22 Aug 2000 21:01:33 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: mattack@area.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: can't send when imap mailbox is unavailable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is it as designed that you can't send mail with pine while your imap mailbox is unavailable? This is with pine 4.20. I have mail copies saved in sent-mail on my IMAP server. Shouldn't it ask me if I want to send it without saving a copy? (Sort of like how ATMs let you still get money when they've run out of receipt paper.) I DO have an smtp server set up, that is still reachable. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id OAA22247; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA22344; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:14:25 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id OAA07057; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:13:04 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA30018 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:12:29 -0700 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (root@euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id OAA18270 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:12:29 -0700 Received: from goedel3.math.washington.edu (chappa@goedel3.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.12]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02268; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: can't send when imap mailbox is unavailable In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: mattack@area.com X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** mattack@area.com wrote in the pine-info list about "can't send when imap mailbox is unavailable" today: :) Is it as designed that you can't send mail with pine while your imap :) mailbox is unavailable? :) :) This is with pine 4.20. I have mail copies saved in sent-mail on my :) IMAP server. :) :) Shouldn't it ask me if I want to send it without saving a copy? :) (Sort of like how ATMs let you still get money when they've run out :) of receipt paper.) You can always change your fcc folder momentarily, press Ctrl-R in the headers of the message and define another "Fcc" field, not in your imap server. You can save them later to your sent-mail folder when the IMAP server is up again. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA30106; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA21463; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:59:37 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA14715; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:58:55 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA30100 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:56:33 -0700 Received: from mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (mail1.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.13]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA31630; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:56:32 -0700 Received: from aragorn.sequoiaeast.com (adsl-61-134-45.rdu.bellsouth.net [208.61.134.45]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id OAA15089; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: gmccon@mindspring.com Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: George McConnell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine/SSL/linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463811583-1718545612-967056901=:2474" Content-ID: X-Cc: leibrand@u.washington.edu X-Sender: gmccon@aragorn.sequoiaeast.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This message is in MIME format. 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Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1463811583-1718545612-967056901=:2474 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: i'm trying to build a pine binary in linux that can connect to an imap server via SSL. i downloaded and used the SSL Patchkit for Pine 4.21. followed the instructions and used the updated imap-4.7c toolkit. when i run ./build slx, it cranks away and then exits out with the error: '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lRSAglue' my pine source dir looks like: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 Aug 23 14:31 .bld.args -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2600 Aug 23 14:31 .bld.hlp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2866 Aug 23 14:19 CPYRIGHT -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1390 Aug 23 14:19 README drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:34 bin/ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11690 Aug 23 14:19 build* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6039 Aug 23 14:19 build.cmd* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 23 14:24 c-client -> imap/c-client/ drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:19 contrib/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:19 doc/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 23 14:24 imap -> simap-4.7/ drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:19 imap-4.7c/ drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:19 imap.old/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 23 14:24 imapd -> imap/imapd/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1551 Aug 23 14:19 makefile lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 23 14:24 mtest -> imap/mtest/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:33 pico/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:34 pine/ dr-xr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:31 simap-4.7/ A i have included the log from the compile. tia. ---- Unix *IS* user friendly...It's just selective about who it's friends are. 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List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Gopi Sundaram To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine/SSL/linux In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: George McConnell X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: jade.cs.sc.edu: gopalan owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, George McConnell wrote: > '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lRSAglue' Look for the RSA library in /usr/lib or wherever your compiler looks for them. In this case, it is looking for a file called "libRSAglue.a". You may have to download and build that first. Gopi. -- Gopi Sundaram gopi@cs.sc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id XAA11792; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA11795; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:02:09 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id XAA04981; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:01:36 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA39494 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:59:17 -0700 Received: from dns1.jimsoffice.org (mail.jimsoffice.org [206.170.184.30]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id WAA10314 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:59:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (nessenj@localhost) by dns1.jimsoffice.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00964 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:59:15 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: James Nessen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Customized Header Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello Everyone, I was poking around the archives, but couldn't find the answer I was looking for. I recently re-joined the Pine community from the mutt community. I would like to add a customized header called X-Uptime and have it call uptime from the shell. I tried adding this: X-Uptime: `/bin/uptime` But when I look at the headers, it just prints /bin/uptime instead of executing it. Any ideas? Jim -- ,,, (o o) =============================================ooO==(_)==Ooo=== James Nessen AIM: JNessen328 nessenj@jimsoffice.org Phone: (916) 806-0971 http://www.jimsoffice.org Fax: (877) 410-3802 ============================================================= -- "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.." -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA31560; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA23892; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:16:28 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA07580; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:15:51 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA132822 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:14:33 -0700 Received: from mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (mail1.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.13]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA12622 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:14:33 -0700 Received: from aragorn.sequoiaeast.com (adsl-61-134-45.rdu.bellsouth.net [208.61.134.45]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id MAA06990; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: gmccon@mindspring.com Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: George McConnell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine/SSL/linux In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Gopi Sundaram X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: gmccon@aragorn.sequoiaeast.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lRSAglue' > > Look for the RSA library in /usr/lib or wherever your compiler looks > for them. In this case, it is looking for a file called > "libRSAglue.a". You may have to download and build that first. libRSA? hmmm. the README says openSSL needs to be installed, which it is (in the default location of /usr/local/ssl). i've searched my filesystem and don't have anything on my system even close to this library. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id JAA00293; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA25167; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:55:42 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id JAA21394; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:55:06 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA64226 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:50:50 -0700 Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id JAA01507 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:50:49 -0700 Received: from aragorn.sequoiaeast.com (adsl-61-134-45.rdu.bellsouth.net [208.61.134.45]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id MAA11789; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: gmccon@mindspring.com Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: George McConnell To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine/SSL/linux In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Gopi Sundaram X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: gmccon@aragorn.sequoiaeast.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Look for the RSA library in /usr/lib or wherever your compiler looks > for them. In this case, it is looking for a file called > "libRSAglue.a". You may have to download and build that first. my apologies. the libRSAglue.a library was in the openSSL-devel. i just installed openSSL. i installed the dev package and everything worked fine. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id KAA32281; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA26364; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:30:44 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id KAA23305; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:30:21 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA39832 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:29:21 -0700 Received: from ns.shellworld.net (IDENT:root@ns.shellworld.net [64.29.16.176]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA26075 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:29:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (ka3agm@localhost) by ns.shellworld.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13704; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:29:10 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Walt Smith To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: return receipt question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Leslie Fairall X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I think that sending of return receipts is strictly controlled by system administration, not by Pine; that is, you can turn it on, but whether or not you actually receive any is entirely up to the administrators of the systems to which your mail is being sent. BTW, please consider the total waste of bandwidth that results from the sending of receipts ... don't request a return receipt unless it's _truly_ critical. Simply wanting to know that Joe Blow got your mail isn't critical. -- Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC ka3agm@ns.shellworld.net From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id RAA09003; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA07479; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:21:46 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA06988; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:20:54 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id RAA41772 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:19:53 -0700 Received: from vax.area.com (vax.area.com [216.218.218.27]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id RAA24652 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:19:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 6084 invoked by uid 1828); 26 Aug 2000 00:17:03 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: mattack@area.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Lock when already locked MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN What does this mean: Problem detected: "Lock when already locked". Pine Exiting. Abort I'm seeing it today while running pine (4.20) along with the OSX mail program. They say they haven't changed their locking strategy. What else could've changed to cause this to start happening? I haven't figured out if I can get it to happen at will. They're both using IMAP, and I do have reason to use multiple mail programs at once! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id SAA09655; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA08904; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:33:17 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id SAA08717; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:32:20 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA69894 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:30:50 -0700 Received: from m12.boston.juno.com (m12.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.75]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA30998 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:30:49 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"8acBbvM7uHVHcGTugSU3tekGacJe56W4stzc+VNahNwIaOjCMFbT6w=="> Received: (from awesome-dave1@juno.com) by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FGC3SLKS; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:30:00 EDT Message-Id: <20000826.213423.-235865.0.awesome-dave1@juno.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:34:22 -0400 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: awesome-dave1@juno.com To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: return receipt requests and pine 4.21? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-6 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, I'm trying to get pine v4.21 to initiate requests for return receipts for my mail. I've added the return-receipt-to header to the customize-hdrs field in .pinerc, but my mail clients are not returning any mail. Any suggestions appreciated. Thank you. Dave. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id TAA21027; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA09541; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:26:57 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id TAA00262; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:26:07 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA124276 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:25:35 -0700 Received: from maranatha.worldfront.com (root@wa-1-kit-33.worldfront.net [206.165.199.83]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id TAA18813 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:25:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (chomiak@localhost) by maranatha.worldfront.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7Q2Sgq01794; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:28:43 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Cheryl Homiak To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: 4.20 to 4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Blinux-newbie , Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: maranatha.worldfront.com: chomiak owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I just realized that I am using pine 4.20 while my account at shellworld has 4.21. I think I installed the version that was available at Slackware. Is there enough difference that I should change; if so, do I have to delete and reinstall the package or is there a simpler way? Cheryl From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id UAA16123; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA11547; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:58:26 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id UAA13266; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:57:38 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA34588 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:56:56 -0700 Received: from maranatha.worldfront.com (root@wa-1-kit-33.worldfront.net [206.165.199.83]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id UAA24808 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:56:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (chomiak@localhost) by maranatha.worldfront.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7Q405f02021; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:00:07 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Cheryl Homiak To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: 4.20 to 4.21 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Blinux-newbie X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: maranatha.worldfront.com: chomiak owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Duh! I know about that website! Momentary amnesia. Sorry. Cheryl From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id FAA18228; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA12100; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:26:17 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id FAA22027; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:25:55 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA119580 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:24:19 -0700 Received: from moshpit.cygnus.com (moshpit.cygnus.com [203.24.38.233]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA18820 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:24:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (bje@localhost) by moshpit.cygnus.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7RCO0i04742; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:24:00 +1000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:24:00 +1000 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ben Elliston To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: return receipt requests and pine 4.21? In-Reply-To: <20000826.213423.-235865.0.awesome-dave1@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: awesome-dave1@juno.com X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: moshpit.cygnus.com: bje owned process doing -bs X-Sender: bje@moshpit.cygnus.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'm trying to get pine v4.21 to initiate requests for return receipts for my mail. I've added the return-receipt-to header to the customize-hdrs field in .pinerc, but my mail clients are not returning any mail. Any suggestions appreciated. Thank you. Dave. The protocol isn't well defined yet. There are two headers that *may* trigger remote mailers to do what you're asking: Return-Receipt-To: and Disposition-Notification-To: In many cases, remote mailers are not receipt aware and you'll get nothing. Ben From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA25426; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA15068; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:34:07 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA03951; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:33:35 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA20020 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:57 -0700 Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA06394 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:57 -0700 Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.2]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA16655; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:56 -0700 Received: from jfranklin_ndc.nebula.washington.edu (D-128-95-135-224.dhcp.washington.edu [128.95.135.224]) by mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id LAA00508; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:56 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:56 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jeff Franklin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Lock when already locked In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: mattack@area.com X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jpf@shivams.cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 mattack@area.com wrote: > > What does this mean: > Problem detected: "Lock when already locked". > Pine Exiting. > Abort > > > I'm seeing it today while running pine (4.20) along with the OSX mail program. > They say they haven't changed their locking strategy. What else could've > changed to cause this to start happening? > > I haven't figured out if I can get it to happen at will. They're both > using IMAP, and I do have reason to use multiple mail programs at once! Hi, This probably has nothing to do with running multiple mail programs on the same mailbox simultaneously, but is likely a bug in pine. I'll try not to go into too much detail, but it can happen when pine calls some sort of c-client routine, and that routine calls a callback that pine has passed into c-client, and that callback calls another c-client routine. Any other information that you can send on your observations would probably be helpful, especially if you can get this to happen on 4.21. Perhaps the most helpful information would be a stack trace of the crash. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Franklin Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id LAA03584; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA15666; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:46:19 -0700 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with SMTP id LAA04718; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:45:43 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA70152 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:44:34 -0700 Received: from pandora.worldonline.nl (pandora.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.140]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA21605 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:44:33 -0700 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.worldonline.nl [194.151.128.14]) by pandora.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 2652B36C61 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:45:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:44:32 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: Bruce Cohen Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message to save shrank MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Yes, if I had that much room at my disposal. The question I really have is: will the upgrade fix all of the problems that I referred to in the original message? On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Ben Elliston wrote: > I don't really wan't to ask the provider to upgrade if it won't fix the problem. If you use a shell account with your provider, you could install your own copy of 4.21 and run it yourself. Ben