From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 1 08:17:49 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:17:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA26064 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA15191; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:17:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA00355; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:15:34 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA20582 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:14:03 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA25792 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:14:03 -0800 Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA03413 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:14:00 -0800 Received: from default ([12.69.67.163]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA9135 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:13:28 +0000 Message-Id: <34ABC17F.2530@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:17:03 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: SANDY SIMPLER To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Please Help ME! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/95.01/msg00257.html X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I am VERY computer illertiate! I have AT&T Worldnet Service. I can't open my attachments because I don't know how! I am hoping you will be able to help me! Thank- You Beth From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 1 16:11:00 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:11:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA30073 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA20443; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:10:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA01631; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:08:30 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA26046 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:07:38 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA27688 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:07:38 -0800 Received: from imo01.mx.aol.com (imo01.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.113]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA20414 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:07:35 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:06:51 EST Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ben Jen 01 To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: binhex 4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I recieved mail stating it must be converted using binhex 4.0. I am not fimular with conversions. Found your address using yahoo!. Can you help me. We have a Japanees student staying with us. This letter is from her father. Would like to convert before she leaves for home Sunday. Thanx. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 1 17:31:53 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:31:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA30956 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA09603; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:31:47 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA15763; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:29:22 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA15086 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:28:51 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id RAA07806 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:28:50 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 02 Jan 98 02:28:26 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23691; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 01:53:05 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 02 Jan 1998 01:53:05 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: binhex 4.0 In-Reply-To: Ben Jen 01's message of "Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:06:51 EST" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ben Jen 01 X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > "BJ0" == Ben Jen 01 writes: BJ0> I recieved mail stating it must be converted using binhex 4.0. BJ0> I am not fimular with conversions. Found your address using BJ0> yahoo!. Check this instead: And while being at yahoo!, you should have browsed the software corner, because that's where the converters are. BJ0> Can you help me. No. You didn't state what operating system you're using and if you've ever installed a program from the net. BJ0> We have a Japanees student staying with us. This letter is from BJ0> her father. Would like to convert before she leaves for home BJ0> Sunday. Send more details, then we might be able to help. Note also that this is the wrong forum for your question. Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University There comes a time when you put your lives Into the hands of the gods From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 1 21:09:22 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:09:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA32563 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA23771; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:09:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA21824; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:07:05 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA14486 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:06:03 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA07173 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:05:45 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:04:13 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:04:13 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Please Help ME! In-Reply-To: <34ABC17F.2530@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: SANDY SIMPLER X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, SANDY SIMPLER wrote: > I am VERY computer illertiate! I have AT&T Worldnet Service. I can't > open my attachments because I don't know how! I am hoping you will be > able to help me! Thank- You Are you using "pine" as your email program? From what I can see....it seems "not". Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 1 21:48:58 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:48:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA00046 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA24152; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:48:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA10562; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:46:54 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA17638 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:46:24 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA14748 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:46:24 -0800 Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.10.175]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA24112 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:46:22 -0800 Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01IRVNUSR7Z28Y59L8@asu.edu> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:46:12 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [129.219.129.221]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22242 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18814; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:46:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <9801020546.AA18814@aztec.asu.edu> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:46:19 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: klabis@aztec.asu.edu Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: klabis@aztec.asu.edu (SCOTT KLABIS) To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: this is a recording (last changed May 23 1996)//cqcqcq! X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Friends: I am curious to know if Pine or Pico editing software will work in a Lynx page, or maybe in a Unix server. I am using a Macintosh LC at 6.0.8 with a Supra* 144LC modem at home with generally perfect emulation, at least off prime time, in AzTeC's "Chet's Editor" right now. I also have an account <125790.ef.smc.maricopa.edu> which is functional access to IRC, but currently disabled for unknown reason to send e-mail in. System administrators at SMC are re- luctant to say anything about their WWW connection, and AzTeC Computing apparently assumes most of the local load. My home screen comes from straight Kermit "Q" turnaround with 512 bit packages, and the Supra with no Netscape. The school (SMC) LAN consists of an assortment of Wyse terminals and CompacQ Pentium 386s. Any advise and/or software you could give on upgrades for text applications to this system would be most appreciated; SMC SysAdmin are and AT . yt, Scott A. Klabis, student SMC/SMCC / FCC:PG-GB-021435, , , <125790@ef.smc.maricopa.edu>. US West (602) 252-1951 / AzCom 306-0531. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 2 10:30:05 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:30:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA08944 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA21443; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:29:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA29877; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:25:10 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA21224 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:23:10 -0800 Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (mailhost2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA01717 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:23:09 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id KAA18278; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:23:05 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:23:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: David L Miller To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Mac version of pine?? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Justin Dews X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN How about MachTen? It's a commercial Unix clone for the Mac, but there is a Pine port available for it... -- David L. Miller | If toast always lands butter-side Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | down, and cats always land on Box 354841, University of Washington | their feet, what happen if you 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA | strap toast on the back of a cat Phone: (206)685-6240 FAX: (206)685-4045 | and drop it? -- Steven Wright On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Justin Dews wrote: > Good point, and I've thought of that, but this is an older mac and none of > the versions of NetBSD will run on it. And MkLinux and Linux for PMac > won't run because this machine isn't a pmac. ;-) > Oh well... > > Thanks, > > Justin > > On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote: > > > > > Well, you could put linux on your mac :) > > > > > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Justin Dews wrote: > > > > > First, I'd like to say that I am a new member of this list.OK, ok, I know > > > that on the pine webpages and stuff, they say that there is > > > no mac version of pine yet, but I'd really like to know if anyone is > > > working on a port of it to the Mac. I'm tired of using Eudora and then > > > getting on my shell and using pine. I want to use something simple yet > > > powerful on my mac also. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 2 17:03:57 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:03:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA15151 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA28562; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:03:23 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA22936; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:00:15 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA22076 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:58:29 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA26478 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:58:28 -0800 Received: from yarra.vicnet.net.au (yarra.vicnet.net.au [203.10.72.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA10050 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:58:25 -0800 Received: from rvib2.rvib.org.au (rvib2.rvib.org.au [203.3.138.1]) by yarra.vicnet.net.au (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA09822 for <@yarra.vicnet.net.au:pine-info@cac.washington.edu>; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:56:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from rvib2.rvib.org.au by rvib2.rvib.org.au id aa14860; 3 Jan 98 11:59 AEST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:59:13 +1000 (AEST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Kalman DEE To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: can anyone help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I hope I'm sending this email to the right place as I would not want to send any junkmail. I'm having (or rather a blind client of ours as I work for the local Blind Institute ) a strange trouble. She is using Bitcom (DOS platform) to connect and access PINE.Everithing works swimmingly,except for in "Compose" all the lines of the header behave in a peculiar way. Let's say I want to type "blob" in the "To" headerline.When I type "b",nothing happens.Then I type "l",four characters appear,left arrow, left square bracket,the "at"character then the letter b.When Typing the next letter (o),similarly four characters appear,the three special ones then "l".that is,the letter I previosly typed. When I manipulate the line,for example with the Ctrl-Ll (refresh line), or with the Ctrl-K then Ctrl-U commands (cut then uncut text) everything reverts to normal,"blob" appears in the "To" line. Same with the other header entries. The body of the email itself causes no problems itself,it works perfectly normally. I repeat :THE HEADER AND THE BODY WORK DIFFERENTLY. Now,I've tried every reasonable configuration modifications in both PINE and Bitcom with no avail.The fault itself(even if peculiar) is not a great one for a sighted person,but she being blind and using screen vocalizing program (by the way the screen program is not the cause) the garbled text really confuses her. If anyone has a suggestion,please drop me an email. Cheers from Melbourne, Kal deeka@rvib2.rvib.org.a From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 2 17:13:07 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:13:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA15409 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA28776; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:13:00 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA28523; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:11:00 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA17368 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:09:49 -0800 Received: from gw.neads.com (gw.neads.com [207.60.76.18]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA22869 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:09:47 -0800 Received: from tlgm.neads.com ([207.60.76.62]) by gw.neads.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07739; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:13:40 -0500 Message-Id: <34AD8F87.6B31@green.mv.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 20:08:23 -0500 Reply-To: tlgm@green.mv.com Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "C. Wible" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Lock files in /var/spool/mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I recently upgraded to pine 3.95. Shortly after I realized that pine was complaining about creating lock files. I read some web listings of questions about this problem and found that the only suggestion was to change the permissions on the /var/spool/mail directory. That is all good, but, I dont like the idea of users being able to write files to that directory. I was wondering if sometime in the furure pine might include an option to specify a seperate lock directory. Cullin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 2 18:57:58 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:57:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA16303 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA29989; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:57:53 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id SAA20421; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:55:37 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id SAA21106 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:53:55 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA14839 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:53:54 -0800 Received: from mallard.duc.auburn.edu (mallard2.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.2.23]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id SAA11524 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:53:52 -0800 Received: from localhost by mallard.duc.auburn.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA19904; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:53:57 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:53:57 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Claude W Gossett To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: How to answer Planet All? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: gossecw@mallard X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Sirss: I have signed on to Planet All and have received messages which I am unable to answer as requested. One of the requests is to place an x in a box which identifies specific requests regarding services offered. What might I do to enable me to perform the operation? Your assistance will be appreciated. Thank you for your assistance: Claude Gossett From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 2 19:36:34 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:36:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA16646 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA00554; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:36:29 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id TAA03260; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:34:17 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA28806 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:33:54 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id TAA19156 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:33:53 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 03 Jan 98 04:33:31 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14261; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:34:47 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 03 Jan 1998 04:34:44 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: How to answer Planet All? In-Reply-To: Claude W Gossett's message of "Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:53:57 -0600 (CST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Claude W Gossett X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> "CWG" == Claude W Gossett writes: CWG> I have signed on to Planet All and have received messages which CWG> I am unable to answer as requested. One of the requests is to CWG> place an x in a box which identifies specific requests regarding CWG> services offered. What might I do to enable me to perform the CWG> operation? Write to Planet All? Thy certainly have a customer support. Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Microsoft isn't the answer. Microsoft is the question, and the answer is NO. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 2 20:48:19 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:48:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA17280 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:48:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA01410; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:48:10 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id UAA23575; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:46:19 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id UAA15320 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:45:53 -0800 Received: from sundial.alumni.ust.hk (sundial.alumni.ust.hk [143.89.127.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA21433 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:45:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (koebi@localhost) by sundial.alumni.ust.hk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA20390; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:46:15 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:46:15 +0800 (HKT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Y M Kung Charles To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Lock files in /var/spool/mail In-Reply-To: <34AD8F87.6B31@green.mv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "C. Wible" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi Cullin, I think you can set the sticky bit of your spool, my spool have the bit set. Charles On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, C. Wible wrote: > I recently upgraded to pine 3.95. Shortly after I realized that pine > was complaining about creating lock files. I read some web listings of > questions about this problem and found that the only suggestion was to > change the permissions on the /var/spool/mail directory. That is all > good, but, I dont like the idea of users being able to write files to > that directory. I was wondering if sometime in the furure pine might > include an option to specify a seperate lock directory. > > Cullin > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 03:52:22 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:52:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA21340 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA06179; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:52:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA13259; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:50:08 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA15302 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:49:39 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA12379 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:49:38 -0800 Received: from sangam.ncst.ernet.in (sangam.ncst.ernet.in [202.41.110.33]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA06130 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:49:19 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by sangam.ncst.ernet.in (8.7.5) id RAA20328 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:31:13 +0530 (GMT+05:30) Message-Id: <199801031201.RAA20328@sangam.ncst.ernet.in> >Received: by krcl.ernet.in; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/25Sep96-0432PM) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: vi1@krcl.ernet.in To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: assistance Content-Type: text X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN assitance From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 13:19:15 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:19:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id NAA26394 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id NAA26243; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:19:10 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id NAA17436; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:15:58 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id NAA15758 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:14:40 -0800 Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (mailhost2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.2]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id NAA15267 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:14:38 -0800 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (weiner@tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id NAA18279; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:14:34 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:14:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mark Crispin To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Lock files in /var/spool/mail In-Reply-To: <34AD8F87.6B31@green.mv.com> References: <34AD8F87.6B31@green.mv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "C. Wible" X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, C. Wible wrote: > I recently upgraded to pine 3.95. Shortly after I realized that pine > was complaining about creating lock files. I read some web listings of > questions about this problem and found that the only suggestion was to > change the permissions on the /var/spool/mail directory. That is all > good, but, I dont like the idea of users being able to write files to > that directory. I was wondering if sometime in the furure pine might > include an option to specify a seperate lock directory. That wouldn't be very useful. The whole purpose of the /var/spool/mail lock file is to lock against mail delivery. The mail delivery program looks for a /var/spool/mail lock file. If Pine used a different lock directory, then it wouldn't lock against mail delivery. Then wouldn't be any point for the locking code at all. You might as well just delete the useless locking code, and accept that every so often, your mail file will be smashed because Pine and mail delivery wrote the mail file at the same time. If you've hacked your mail delivery program source code to lock someplace else, then you can hack Pine source code to do the same thing. It should not be any easier (e.g. an option for a lock directory in Pine), otherwise people will be misled (as you were misled) to set that option without recognition of the consequences. You're really being protected from making a bad decision. It's a complicated issue; I wrote a document which goes into it in much more detail. I'll forward you a copy if you're interested. -- Mark -- * Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address. * Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 15:12:02 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:12:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27218 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27513; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:11:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA01850; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:09:23 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA19974 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:08:10 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA19125 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:08:06 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:07:32 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:07:32 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: assistance In-Reply-To: <199801031201.RAA20328@sangam.ncst.ernet.in> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: vi1@krcl.ernet.in X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 3 Jan 1998 vi1@krcl.ernet.in wrote: > assitance What type? In Taipei you dial 119 for emergency assistance or 104 for directory assistance. -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 15:18:57 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:18:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27175 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA16194; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:18:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA02101; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:16:52 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA22784 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:15:54 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA21775 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:15:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03078 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:14:42 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:14:42 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: assistance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Edward M Greshko >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:07:32 +0800 (GMT) >On Sat, 3 Jan 1998 vi1@krcl.ernet.in wrote: >>assitance >What type? >In Taipei you dial 119 for emergency assistance or 104 for directory >assistance. Spelling, which is ^t, by the way. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 15:24:17 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:24:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27300 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA16258; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:24:11 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA02393; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:21:58 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA26280 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:21:39 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA19660 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:21:37 -0800 Received: from tornado.ocis.temple.edu (tornado.ocis.temple.edu [155.247.166.103]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27621; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:21:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (tjdean@localhost) by tornado.ocis.temple.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10187; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:21:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:21:30 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Thomas J Dean Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Thomas J Dean To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Thanks, but no thanks, for the "improved" Pine 3.96 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine@cac.washington.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear People-at-Pine (assuming this gets through to you), I am getting more and more confused, and indeed upset, with the new "improved" system of Pine 3.96 which my university has installed to replace Pine 3.91. I wonder if my problems are unique. Here are just some of the reasons for my new confusions and irritations: 1. It would seem that someone has decided that it would be a vast improvement, in my previous "sent mail" folders, to erase all the names of the persons to whom I sent e-mail and replace each and every one of them with my own name. I don't suppose there is anyway to retrieve all that information. Absent that, assuming there is some way to erase own name and restore the names of the persons to who all that mail was sent, how would I do that? (Probable answer: don't ask, it can't be done.) Even if it could be done, it is a pain to think I have to go through each of them individually, find out to whom it was sent, and then somehow change it on the screen. But probably I should not worry. I'll wake up tomorrow and find out that in the meantime someone has simply erased all the sent mail folders (see 2. below). End of problem! 2. But wait, it gets worse. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st (i.e., after the new system of Pine was up and running, I guess) is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even under my own name, let alone the names of recipients. Guess I didn't know I had it so good in 1. above, huh? I trust the messages are getting through, but it's anybody's guess. (Hence my question in the opening above whether you will even receive this one.) So where (if anywhere) is there a record of my sent mail NOW? (Probable answer: don't ask, it doesn't exist.) 3. Probably related to 2., I note that here is a new line now after "cc" on messages sent out, namely, "fcc". Now when I send out a letter an abbreviated name pops up automatically on "fcc". Not knowing or having been told what it is, I eliminate it each time. Why? Once I tried sending something without doing that, and when it found there was "no such file (with that person's name)", it simply refused to send the message. So I went back to eliminating the entry after "fcc", so at least the message could go out (though, since there is now no record, who knows if it REALLY went out). So what on earth is this "fcc" all about? Does it mean (related back to 2. above), that if I want to have a record of mail sent, I now have to create individual folders for each addressee to store my sent mail in, otherwise there will be no record of having sent it out? And if so, to check my sent mail, I have to go through each and every individual person's folder? I hope this is not so, because otherwise this vaunted improvement, Pine 3.96, has become an nightmare. Conclusion: Assuming not a whole lot can be done about this "improved system", perhaps I should switch, as my friends have been encouraging me to do, to EUDORA, since it would appear that my refusal to switch earlier from Pine to Eudora was based on misplaced loyalty to Pine. I guess Eudora must be the way to go from now on. That way I can simply circumvent this new "improved" version of Pine altogether. Idea: Perhaps, if my colleagues using Pine are suffering similar indignities, I should recommend that they switch to Eudora too. Perhaps we can persuade the university to just forget about Pine. Yep, that's what we should do. So, thanks for hearing me out. You've been a big help, really! Yours for even further "improvements" to Pine! Tom Dean P.S. I shall try to send a copy of this, as the "robot" advised, to the web discussion group at "comp.mail.pine". Perhaps THAT will get through, and perhaps THEY will be interested to know. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 15:32:17 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:32:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27348 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27714; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:32:11 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA02669; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:30:09 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA29182 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:29:53 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA22247 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:29:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (cjraven@localhost) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21206 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:29:06 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:29:05 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: "Colin J. Raven" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Multiple .pinerc's spawned MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Group X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hey Ed? Robin? I found something odd that might attract your interest; Running Pine under AIX4.0, for no (known) reason, each time I invoke Pine, it spawns four pinerc's (not dot pinerc's) and with a letter following, then a five digit number. I stopped the problem (though I wish I really knew how) but wodered if you had ever seen/heard of Pine doing this. Like I said, it's gone away and I didn't follow any methodical troubleshooting method, just "thrashed around" in the users' home directory until Pine worked, and the spawning of pinerc's quit. Not the most scientific solution I know...any suggestions? -Colin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 15:32:33 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:32:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27355 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA16321; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:32:28 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA02707; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:30:29 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA28988 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:30:14 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA16449 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:30:13 -0800 Received: from tornado.ocis.temple.edu (tornado.ocis.temple.edu [155.247.166.103]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27694 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:30:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (tjdean@localhost) by tornado.ocis.temple.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA07744 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:30:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:30:09 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Thomas J Dean To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: getting a messsage to the world-wide "comp.mail.pine" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear Pine-info: How does one get a message to the "comp.mail.pine" group? Via an e-mail address, or via a web address? I tried "http://www.comp.mail.pine" and that did not work. I tried "http://comp.mail.pine" and that did not work. Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated! T. D. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 15:36:39 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:36:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27375 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27761; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:36:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA02952; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:34:42 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA17308 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:34:22 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA22407 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:34:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (cjraven@localhost) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21500 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:33:35 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:33:35 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Multiple .pinerc's spawned In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Oh yes, it's Pine 3.96 (like that makes any difference)... Oh and to all that say 3.96 has anything "wrong" with it...it doesn't! :) But...that's just my .02 cents' worth! -Colin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 3 15:46:39 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:46:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27442 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA27890; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:46:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA03311; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:44:27 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA24228 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:43:29 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA02958 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:43:27 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03313 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:42:19 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:42:19 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: "Adam H. Kerman" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: getting a messsage to the world-wide "comp.mail.pine" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Thomas J Dean >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:30:09 -0500 (EST) >How does one get a message to the "comp.mail.pine" group? Via an e-mail >address, No! >or via a web address? No! >I tried "http://www.comp.mail.pine" and >that did not work. I tried "http://comp.mail.pine" and that did not work. Of course not. "http" is the URL for "hypertext transport protocol", a method for viewing Web pages in your browser. comp.mail.pine is a newsgroup in Usenet, and Usenet has its own URL. >Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated! I take it you have the ability to post news articles through your Web browser. You clearly don't have a question about pine. My suggestion is, Don't ask an inappropriate question on the comp.mail.pine newsgroup! btw, this is the pine-info mailing list. People here are willing to answer questions about pine, hence the name of the list. If you ask a question that is asked repeatedly, the answer will be, "Read the context-sensitive help." From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:08:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA27642 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA28131; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:08:45 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA04166; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:06:13 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA12624 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:05:58 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA03830 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:05:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA03513 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:04:46 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:04:46 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: "Adam H. Kerman" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Thanks, but no thanks, for the "improved" Pine 3.96 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Thomas J Dean >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:21:30 -0500 (EST) > I am getting more and more confused, and indeed upset, with the >new "improved" system of Pine 3.96 which my university has installed to >replace Pine 3.91. I wonder if my problems are unique. Here are just some >of the reasons for my new confusions and irritations: STOP PANICKING. Relax, take a deep breath, control your own situation. > 1. It would seem that someone has decided that it would be a vast >improvement, in my previous "sent mail" folders, to erase all the names of >the persons to whom I sent e-mail and replace each and every one of them >with my own name. I don't suppose there is anyway to retrieve all that >information. All the information is still there. What probably happened was your system administrator got sick of all the complaints of the nature, "How come when I send mail (or news), the recipient's (or newsgroup's) name appears in the index, instead of my name?" and changed the setting in the system-wide configuration file. So, override it in your own configuration file! As an experienced pine user, you are familiar with the configuration file, right? You are familiar with reading the context-sensitive help, right? 3.96 has many additional features. Look at the configuration file, and if there is a feature you don't understand or don't recognize, read the context-sensitive help. It's that simple. The feature that was changed is "index-format", and the FROMORTO token was replaced with FROM. Read the context-sensitive help with this feature, and choose the tokens that best suit your needs. > 2. But wait, it gets worse. It now seems that mail I have sent >out after January 1st (i.e., after the new system of Pine was up and >running, I guess) is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not >even under my own name, let alone the names of recipients. You did this yourself, as you explain in 3. > 3. Probably related to 2., I note that here is a new line now >after "cc" on messages sent out, namely, "fcc". Now when I send out a >letter an abbreviated name pops up automatically on "fcc". Not knowing or >having been told what it is, I eliminate it each time. Why? Once I tried >sending something without doing that, and when it found there was "no such >file (with that person's name)", it simply refused to send the message. >So I went back to eliminating the entry after "fcc", so at least the >message could go out (though, since there is now no record, who knows if >it REALLY went out). > So what on earth is this "fcc" all about? Does it mean (related >back to 2. above), that if I want to have a record of mail sent, I now >have to create individual folders for each addressee to store my sent mail >in, otherwise there will be no record of having sent it out? And if so, >to check my sent mail, I have to go through each and every individual >person's folder? "fcc" means "file carbon copy", which has been a feature of pine since the beginning. You may not have noticed it before, as it may have been a rich header, not revealed until you press ^r. If you want to know about it, READ THE CONTEXT-SENSITIVE HELP. It is simply a way of saving a copy of an outgoing message on your own system. Even if you are able to save a sent message, it hasn't necessarily left your system due to other problems. You don't know unless your recipient tells you he actually received it. If you continuously delete the "fcc" line, your message won't be saved anywhere. In the context-sensitive help, read about "customized-hdrs" and "fcc-name-rule" from the configuration file. Also, read the context-sensitive help in the address book for naming customized sent-mail folders for specific correspondents. And, read about "folder-collections" from the configuration file and the List folders screen. > I hope this is not so, because otherwise this vaunted improvement, >Pine 3.96, has become an nightmare. > Conclusion: > Assuming not a whole lot can be done about this "improved system", >perhaps I should switch, as my friends have been encouraging me to do, to >EUDORA, since it would appear that my refusal to switch earlier from Pine >to Eudora was based on misplaced loyalty to Pine. Well, if you refuse to read the help text or learn the program, you won't have any greater satisfaction with Eudora. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:14:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA27675 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA28192; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:14:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA04604; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:12:49 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA26192 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:12:19 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA08151 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:12:18 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13798; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:11:28 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:11:28 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: getting a messsage to the world-wide "comp.mail.pine" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN If I may interject a small suggestion here, Since Pine is also a mail reader, perhaps the esteemed list member could access "L" (Folder List) then travel down to "New Collection" and follow menu prompts from there onwards. entering comp.mail when prompted for groups to search for will immediately access comp.mail.pine, along with other interesting newsgroups that relate to mail programs out there. Just a suggestion, which would get the reader to the resource he wants, while *still using* the resources of this list. Regards to all, and best wishes for a "Great '98"! -Colin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:55:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA27898 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA17189; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:55:33 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA25963; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:52:50 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA15900 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:52:30 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id QAA05310 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:52:27 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 04 Jan 98 01:52:04 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09553; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:51:11 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 04 Jan 1998 01:51:10 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Thanks, but no thanks, for the "improved" Pine 3.96 In-Reply-To: Thomas J Dean's message of "Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:21:30 -0500 (EST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Thomas J Dean X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> "TJD" == Thomas J Dean whined: [Thomas J. Dean has new confusions and irritations] TJD> 1. It would seem that someone has decided that it would be a vast TJD> improvement, in my previous "sent mail" folders, to erase all the TJD> names of the persons to whom I sent e-mail and replace each and TJD> every one of them with my own name. That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> 2. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st TJD> (i.e., after the new system of Pine was up and running, I guess) TJD> is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even TJD> under my own name, let alone the names of recipients. That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> 3. Probably related to 2., I note that here is a new line now TJD> after "cc" on messages sent out, namely, "fcc". So what on TJD> earth is this "fcc" all about? That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> Conclusion: Assuming not a whole lot can be done about this TJD> "improved system", perhaps I should switch, as my friends have TJD> been encouraging me to do, to EUDORA, since it would appear that TJD> my refusal to switch earlier from Pine to Eudora was based on TJD> misplaced loyalty to Pine. I guess Eudora must be the way to go TJD> from now on. Absolutely correct, Thomas. Eudora is much simpler to use, the knowledge base of the people supporting it on the net is much higher, and commercial software is always better than free software. TJD> Idea: Perhaps, if my colleagues using Pine are suffering similar TJD> indignities, I should recommend that they switch to Eudora too. Yes, please do that, Thomas. TJD> Perhaps we can persuade the university to just forget about TJD> Pine. Yep, that's what we should do. Correct, Thomas. "Heute die Uni und morgen die ganze Welt." TJD> You've been a big help, really! Yours for even further TJD> "improvements" to Pine! Thomas? Are you there? Have you talked to some professional about your problems yet? You know, it's not that we don't like you... It's just that you have this attitude problem that makes reading your larmoyant drivel really, really revolting. TJD> I shall try to send a copy of this, as the "robot" advised, to TJD> the web discussion group at "comp.mail.pine". Perhaps THAT will TJD> get through, and perhaps THEY will be interested to know. Great idea, Thomas. Please do that. I will gladly provide you with some more in-depth information about your attitude problem there. However, since this is a mailing list that is read by kind and helpful people, I'll spare you for now. See you on the usenet, Thomas. Don't forget to wear an asbestos suit. Robin -- Robin S. Socha This message brought to you by Microsoft. Inventors of multitasking, windowing, graphical user interfaces, the 32 bit OS, the Internet, the wheel, fire, air, and God. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:24:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA28233 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA17507; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:23:58 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA12418; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:21:38 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA21278 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:19:56 -0800 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA23671 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:19:52 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA27667 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:19:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from lap-ca10-05.ix.netcom.com(206.214.145.197) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027075; Sat Jan 3 19:16:44 1998 Message-Id: <34AEE2CA.76A3298F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:15:55 -0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: chuck bravo To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Minors name change. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN What would it take to have a mother change her daughters last name? Would she have to consult the father with the name that she wants to change? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:25:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA28208 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA17522; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:24:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA27014; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:22:39 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA26156 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:22:25 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id RAA25536 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:22:24 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 04 Jan 98 02:22:02 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09874; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 02:00:15 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 04 Jan 1998 02:00:12 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Multiple .pinerc's spawned In-Reply-To: "Colin J. Raven"'s message of "Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:29:05 -0800 (PST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Colin J. Raven" X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> "CJR" == Colin J Raven writes: CJR> Hey Ed? Robin? Here, here! CJR> I found something odd that might attract your interest; Running Pine CJR> under AIX4.0, for no (known) reason, each time I invoke Pine CJR> [...] Well, you gave the answer yourself. I don't know of any reason why one should run Pine und AIX. Install Linux. Problem solved. KeWL, huh? Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University main(){printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);} From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:38:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA28687 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA29860; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:38:37 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id SAA10474; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:36:08 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id SAA22054 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:34:26 -0800 Received: from tornado.ocis.temple.edu (tornado.ocis.temple.edu [155.247.166.103]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA22249 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:34:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (tjdean@localhost) by tornado.ocis.temple.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA13148; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:34:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:34:16 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Thomas J Dean To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: your reply In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Robin S. Socha" X-Cc: Thomas J Dean , Pine Discussion Forum , X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Robin, Many thanks for matching my sarcastic attitude! At least it was a response from a real person, not the "robot" However, you might also be interested in the following reply from Steve Lowe which managed to overlook or see past my attitude problem and offer some real help (though I will have to get help to figure out how to look at something called the ".pinerc file"). Meantime, as to your response, I did look at the FAQ and did find an answer to one of my questions. But I was not successful in finding answers to the others, or if they were there, I was unable to recognize them (you're probably not surprised by that). So, what you could do to also be of real help, if you're so inclined, in addition to simply "agreeing" with each of my ill-tempered remarks, would be to tell me WHICH of the FAQ's (which I note were numbered) answer each of my problems. If you're not so inclined, I can't say as I blame you. Hoping (beyond hope?), Tom ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:36:09 -0600 From: Steve Lowe To: Thomas J Dean Subject: Re: Thanks, but no thanks, for the "improved" Pine 3.96 Thomas -- As a data center manager, we have made the transition several times over the past three years to different versions of Pine. We have not noticed the problems that you outlined in your message. I can only one of them--the 'fcc' line. 'fcc' indicates the default mail folder where your sent mail is stored -- might be related to the disappearing copies of your sent mail. Pine 3.96 allows the user to store his outgoing mail messages in any folder that he/she desires. If the folder does not exist, Pine 3.96 will prompt you for folder creation. I would check your .pinerc file and ensure that extra characters have not been added to the default sent mail folder entry. This might clear up your problem. HTH. -- Steve Lowe Director, Computing and Information Services Aurora University --------------------------------------------------- On 4 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > >> "TJD" == Thomas J Dean whined: [He sure did! :=) ] > [Thomas J. Dean has new confusions and irritations] > TJD> 1. It would seem that someone has decided that it would be a vast > TJD> improvement, in my previous "sent mail" folders, to erase all the > TJD> names of the persons to whom I sent e-mail and replace each and > TJD> every one of them with my own name. > > That's a FAQ, Thomas. [Which one, Robin; and, how do I get all the original names of the addressees back?] > > TJD> 2. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st > TJD> (i.e., after the new system of Pine was up and running, I guess) > TJD> is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even > TJD> under my own name, let alone the names of recipients. > > That's a FAQ, Thomas. [Which one, bitte?] > > TJD> 3. Probably related to 2., I note that here is a new line now > TJD> after "cc" on messages sent out, namely, "fcc". So what on > TJD> earth is this "fcc" all about? > > That's a FAQ, Thomas. [I think Steve has helped with this one.] > Thomas? Are you there? Have you talked to some professional about your > problems yet? [Well, that's sort of what I was hoping for from YOU professionals ...sigh] > You know, it's not that we don't like you... It's just > that you have this attitude problem that makes reading your larmoyant > drivel really, really revolting. [Assuming you do in fact speak for "we", I am properly chastised.] > Great idea, Thomas. Please do that. I will gladly provide you with some > more in-depth information about your attitude problem there. However, > since this is a mailing list that is read by kind and helpful people, > I'll spare you for now. See you on the usenet, Thomas. Don't forget to > wear an asbestos suit. [If this singeing is any example, ouch!] > Robin S. Socha > This message brought to you by Microsoft. Inventors of multitasking, > windowing, graphical user interfaces, the 32 bit OS, the Internet, the > wheel, fire, air, and God. [Well, I don't know about all of the above, but I sure felt that hot breath of fire! Here's hoping for more Steve's and fewer Robin's--and then fewer me's. Dare I hope?] From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:41:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA28733 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA18445; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:41:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id SAA00520; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:39:47 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id SAA26340 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:38:49 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA26394 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:38:44 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:38:04 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:38:04 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: assistance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Spelling, which is ^t, by the way. It is *very* bad form to comment on anyone's spelling errors. This is especially true when the message is from a person's whose native language is not "English". Regards -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:49:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA28783 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA29979; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:49:00 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id SAA00807; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:47:13 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id SAA26162 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:46:07 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA09140 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:46:04 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:45:54 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:45:54 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Minors name change. In-Reply-To: <34AEE2CA.76A3298F@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: chuck bravo X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, chuck bravo wrote: > What would it take to have a mother change her daughters last name? > Would she have to consult the father with the name that she wants to > change? Talk to a lawyer. BTW, please tell us how you came upon the pine-info mailing list and what prompted you to ask your question here. We keep getting these questions about changing names....and pine is an email program. Go figure. -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:54:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA29207 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA00843; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:54:27 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id TAA12795; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:51:57 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA25004 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:50:53 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id TAA24535 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:50:52 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 04 Jan 98 04:50:29 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10833; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:35:24 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 04 Jan 1998 04:35:24 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: assistance In-Reply-To: Edward M Greshko's message of "Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:38:04 +0800 (GMT)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Edward M Greshko X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> "EMG" == Edward M Greshko writes: EMG> On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >> Spelling, which is ^t, by the way. EMG> It is *very* bad form to comment on anyone's spelling errors. Ed, your vary rite! spelling flame [USENET] n. A posting ostentatiously correcting a previous article's spelling as a way of casting scorn on the point the article was trying to make, instead of actually responding to that point (compare dictionary flame). Of course, people who are more than usually slovenly spellers are prone to think *any* correction is a spelling flame. It's an amusing comment on humAn nature that spelling flames themselves often contain spelling errors. EMG> This is especially true when the message is from a person's whose EMG> native language is not "English". Zis iz vary tru! Robin P.S. Needless to say that Adam is right and Ed is wrong. Why? Dunno... -- Robin S. Socha The spaceship shuddered. Captain Wilson saw his navigator cringing from a suddenly blue screen. Damn it. If they survived this, a certain Redmond, USA, earth would find itself in hot plasma... From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:55:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA29214 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA19372; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:55:12 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id TAA12870; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:52:59 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA16076 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:50:56 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id TAA15347 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:50:54 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 04 Jan 98 04:50:31 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10761; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:24:38 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 04 Jan 1998 04:24:38 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: your reply In-Reply-To: Thomas J Dean's message of "Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:34:16 -0500 (EST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Thomas J Dean X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> "TJD" == Thomas J Dean writes: TJD> Robin, Many thanks for matching my sarcastic attitude! Good to see you have a sense of humour. ]:-> TJD> I will have to get help to figure out how to look at something called TJD> the ".pinerc file"). You know pico, the editor you write your emails with. Yes, it's a stand-alone app, too. So say: pico ~/.pinerc to edit your personal pine configuration file. But say cp ~/.pinerc ~/pinerc.sic first. [...] TJD> 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: >> "TJD" == Thomas J Dean wrote: >> [Thomas J. Dean has new confusions and irritations] TJD> "sent mail" >> That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> [Which one, Robin; and, how do I get all the original names of TJD> the addressees back?] "Why does my message index show From: instead of To:?" No, wait. I suck. You're right - that's abnormal. I just checked. Ummm... HELP! Are you sure you didn't change anything with your mail folders? From a short glance at pine, I cannot even begin to understand how this could happen. You could say "less" on one of the folders to check if they're ok. TJD> 2. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st TJD> is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even under TJD> my own name, let alone the names of recipients. >> That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> [Which one, bitte?] I don't know. It should be one. Whatever... You need to set default-saved-msg-folder = in M(ain) S(etup) C(onfig). From the online help: OPTION: Default-Saved-Msg-Folder This option determines the default folder name for Saves... If this is not a path name, it will be in the default collection for saves. Any valid folder specification, local or IMAP, is allowed. This default folder only applies when the saved-msg-name-rule (see later in this configuration screen) doesn't override it. Unix Pine default is normally "saved-messages" in the default folder collection. PC-Pine default is "SAVEMAIL" (normally stored as SAVEMAIL.MTX) FOR MORE INFORMATION: From the Main Menu, select "L FOLDER LIST" and press "?" for Help... Look for the section "Valid Folder Names". Make sure that one is properly set and that your admin didn't set them to something weird. >> Thomas? Are you there? Have you talked to some professional about >> your problems yet? TJD> [Well, that's sort of what I was hoping for from YOU professionals TJD> ....sigh] I'm not a professional. I'm just... errr... I was... Shoot. I've been a professional for three days now. Oh dear... TJD> [Well, I don't know about all of the above, but I sure felt that TJD> hot breath of fire! Here's hoping for more Steve's and fewer TJD> Robin's--and then fewer me's. Dare I hope?] No. Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University One question: How come the .44 magnum is the worlds only usable point and click interface ? Alan Cox From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:07:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA29949 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA01814; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:07:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA05627; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:05:29 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA15836 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:04:20 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA17775 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:04:17 -0800 Received: from edspc17.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:04:11 +0800 Message-Id: <34af184b48c3004@calvin.twntpe.cdc.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:04:12 +0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: assistance Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Robin, > P.S. Needless to say that Adam is right and Ed is wrong. Why? Dunno... I think this is similar to the laws of physics, which are extremely hard to violate. Rule #45104 - Ed is always wrong. :-) Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:13:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA29985 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA20494; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:13:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA05836; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:11:47 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA16990 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:10:52 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA27060 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:10:50 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:10:46 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:10:45 +0800 (GMT) Reply-To: Edward M Greshko Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: TO: "assistance" needing person MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear vi1@krcl.ernet.in.... Everytime I send an email to you I get back a "blank" message. If you want folks to correspond with you you should try getting that fixed. Regards, -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:04:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA00867 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA07516; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:04:06 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA23823; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:02:00 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA17166 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:00:08 -0800 Received: from shivax.cac.washington.edu (shivax.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.4]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA02307 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:00:07 -0800 Received: (from skramer@localhost) by shivax.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) id DAA29344 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:00:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199801041100.DAA29344@shivax.cac.washington.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:00:06 -0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: WHERE TO FIND INFORMATION ABOUT PINE X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to aid readers in finding information about Pine. Before sending questions to the mailing list, please consult these resources: The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive help. Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/ - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form. - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[] The messages from this mailing list are archived. 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If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ or ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other organizations.) Sun Jan 4 03:00:06 PST 1998 ----------------------------------- Pine development and support team University of Washington Computing & Communications ----------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:55:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA03764 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA00920; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:55:25 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id GAA17237; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:53:35 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id GAA12302 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:52:29 -0800 Received: from tornado.ocis.temple.edu (tornado.ocis.temple.edu [155.247.166.103]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA01029 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:52:27 -0800 Received: from localhost (tjdean@localhost) by tornado.ocis.temple.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA32387; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:52:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:52:16 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Thomas J Dean To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: your reply In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Robin S. Socha" X-Cc: Thomas J Dean , Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Robin, Many thanks for bearing with me and helping out with the below. I am beginning to suspect that, as you say, the problem may lie with how the local admin installed things when they did the conversion from 3.91 to 3.96 over the holidays. And since I don't understand all the technical aspects you refer to below, I think my best course of action is to take all these problems back to the local folks and see what they make of it all. They should be back from New Year's break tomorrow. Fingers crossed! (Final word at end of following...) On 4 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > > TJD> I will have to get help to figure out how to look at something called > TJD> the ".pinerc file"). > > You know pico, the editor you write your emails with. Yes, it's a > stand-alone app, too. So say: > pico ~/.pinerc > to edit your personal pine configuration file. But say > cp ~/.pinerc ~/pinerc.sic > first. > > TJD> "sent mail" > >> That's a FAQ, Thomas. > TJD> [Which one, Robin; and, how do I get all the original names of > TJD> the addressees back?] > > > "Why does my message index show From: instead of To:?" > > No, wait. I suck. You're right - that's abnormal. I just > checked. Ummm... HELP! Are you sure you didn't change anything with > your mail folders? From a short glance at pine, I cannot even begin to > understand how this could happen. You could say "less" on one of the > folders to check if they're ok. > > TJD> 2. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st > TJD> is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even under > TJD> my own name, let alone the names of recipients. > >> That's a FAQ, Thomas. > TJD> [Which one, bitte?] > > I don't know. It should be one. Whatever... You need to set > default-saved-msg-folder = > in M(ain) S(etup) C(onfig). From the online help: > > OPTION: Default-Saved-Msg-Folder > This option determines the default folder name for Saves... If > this is not a path name, it will be in the default collection for > saves. Any valid folder specification, local or IMAP, is allowed. > This default folder only applies when the saved-msg-name-rule (see > later in this configuration screen) doesn't override it. Unix > Pine default is normally "saved-messages" in the default folder > collection. PC-Pine default is "SAVEMAIL" (normally stored as > SAVEMAIL.MTX) > FOR MORE INFORMATION: From the Main Menu, select "L FOLDER LIST" and > press "?" for Help... Look for the section "Valid Folder Names". > > Make sure that one is properly set and that your admin didn't set them > to something weird. > > >> Thomas? Are you there? Have you talked to some professional about > >> your problems yet? > TJD> [Well, that's sort of what I was hoping for from YOU professionals > TJD> ....sigh] > > I'm not a professional. I'm just... errr... I was... Shoot. I've been > a professional for three days now. Oh dear... > > TJD> [Well, I don't know about all of the above, but I sure felt that > TJD> hot breath of fire! Here's hoping for more Steve's and fewer > TJD> Robin's--and then fewer me's. Dare I hope?] > No. [Robin, Good! I take it back. Let's have lots more Steve's AND Robin's--and perhaps you'll let me hang around a bit longer too!] Cheers and Happy New Year to Robin and ALL the Pine gang! Tom From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:20:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA07846 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA09248; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:20:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA02230; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:18:25 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA23180 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:17:08 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA15745 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:17:07 -0800 Received: from molbio.usc.edu (molbio.usc.edu [128.125.56.4]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA09186 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:17:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (leeflang@localhost) by molbio.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id OAA04387 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:16:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:16:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Esther P. Leeflang" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear Pine Person, I've been using Pine for some time now. Recently my messages have become "Read Only", and are not deletable. Is this something you can help me with, or do I need to contact my system's administrator? Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Esther P. Leeflang leeflang@molbio.usc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:52:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA12517 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA26726; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:52:35 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id UAA16950; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:50:08 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id UAA28820 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:46:18 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA05481 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:46:17 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA35668; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:45:16 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:45:16 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Multiple .pinerc's spawned In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Robin S. Socha" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi All! Y'Know, we never did address Pine's odd behavior in suddenly spawning multiple pinerc's. As I mentioned before, any suggestions as to how thos peculiar behavior began would be welcome. -Colin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:59:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA13203 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA27665; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:59:09 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA21305; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:57:13 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA13786 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:56:00 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA01489 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:55:57 -0800 Received: from giascl01.vsnl.net.in (giascl01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.9.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id VAA17730 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:55:51 -0800 Received: by giascl01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27May97-1036AM) id AA23984; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:29:45 GMT Message-Id: <9801051129.AA23984@giascl01.vsnl.net.in> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:29:45 GMT Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: INDICA RESEARCH PVT LTD To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: binary files X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Cc: asquare@giascla.vsnl.net.in X-Url: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/96.01/msg00021.html X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Sir, i have downloaded Internet Explorer from the Net. There is one 4MB file having extension '.bin'. I do not know how to extract the original file. Please help me out. S.Huq From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:23:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA16645 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA22758; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:23:14 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA27819; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:13:22 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA15404 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:12:01 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA10917 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:11:59 -0800 Received: from proxy.jet.es (proxy.jet.es [194.179.100.4]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA22581 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:11:55 -0800 Received: from business.co-de.com (business.co-de.com [194.224.183.9]) by proxy.jet.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22055 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:13:39 -0100 (GMT) Received: (from sochoa@localhost) by business.co-de.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA22134; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:12:03 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:12:03 +0100 (GMT+0100) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sergio Ochoa To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: tcp/ip on windows 3.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I have installed the tcp/ip stack on a win 3.11. The problem is that I want to compart the HD of a Linux (server of the ethernet). What kind of Lan's support do I have to put in the configuration of the tcp/ip (on win 3.11) to recognize my ethernet? Do I have to use SAMBA? Do I need a SAMBA client for win 3.11? Where can I find it? Can You help me? Thanks Sergio Ochoa From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:31:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA18186 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA23926; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:31:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id EAA08264; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:26:51 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id EAA26146 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:25:28 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA15989 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:25:26 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:24:54 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:24:54 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: binary files In-Reply-To: <9801051129.AA23984@giascl01.vsnl.net.in> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: INDICA RESEARCH PVT LTD X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, INDICA RESEARCH PVT LTD wrote: > i have downloaded Internet Explorer from the Net. There is one > 4MB file having extension '.bin'. I do not know how to extract the > original file. Please help me out. Wrong group.... Contact Bill Gates. -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:33:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA18181 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA03908; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:32:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id EAA08316; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:29:27 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id EAA28514 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:28:25 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA18380 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:28:23 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:27:19 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:27:18 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: tcp/ip on windows 3.11 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Sergio Ochoa X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Sergio Ochoa wrote: > What kind of Lan's support do I have to put in the configuration of the > tcp/ip (on win 3.11) to recognize my ethernet? Depends on whose TCP/IP implementation you are using. Contact the vendor. > Do I have to use SAMBA? Do I need a SAMBA client for win 3.11? Where can > I find it? Depends on what you want do to... > Can You help me? Probably not....you've stumbled onto the wrong group for your questions. Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA23466 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA01240; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:00:39 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id JAA23825; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:55:51 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA18934 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:54:11 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id JAA23621 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:54:05 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 05 Jan 98 18:53:41 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25982; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:54:42 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 05 Jan 1998 18:54:38 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: pine In-Reply-To: "Esther P. Leeflang"'s message of "Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:16:59 -0800 (PST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Esther P. Leeflang" X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> "EPL" == Esther P Leeflang writes: EPL> I've been using Pine for some time now. Recently my messages have EPL> become "Read Only", and are not deletable. Is this something you EPL> can help me with, or do I need to contact my system's administrator? Say this: ps -ax | grep pine If more than one instance of pine is running, kill it by saying kill where pid is the number ps gives you. You can only run one session at a time, otherwise will will create read-only sessions. HTH, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Vidi, vici, veni From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:02:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA23487 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA10984; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:02:33 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id JAA24044; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:57:39 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA21058 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:55:33 -0800 Received: from casabyte.com (smtp.seattlesoft.com [38.226.62.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id JAA03984 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:55:32 -0800 Received: from smtp by casabyte.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03629; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:51:13 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:51:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Le To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: binhex 4.0 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ben Jen 01 X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: andrew@smtp X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Find someone w/ a Mac and use BinHex program on that to convert it... On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, Ben Jen 01 wrote: > I recieved mail stating it must be converted using binhex 4.0. I am not > fimular with conversions. Found your address using yahoo!. Can you help me. > > We have a Japanees student staying with us. This letter is from her father. > Would like to convert before she leaves for home Sunday. > > Thanx. > Andrew Le (425) 271-9410 phone Casabyte LLC http://www.casabyte.com Managing networks under one roof. ------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:52:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA27581 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA06163; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:52:42 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA29418; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:49:49 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA16152 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:48:28 -0800 Received: from fw.loho.com (fw.loho.com [205.142.31.50]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id MAA19603 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:48:23 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fw.loho.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA26059 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:48:18 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.0.0.149) by fw.loho.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026055; Mon Jan 5 15:48:01 1998 Received: by loho.com with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <34B1497B@loho.com>; Mon, 05 Jan 98 15:58:35 E Message-Id: <34B1497B@loho.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 98 15:43:00 E Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Randi Bagley To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Name Change form X-To: "'pine-info@u.washington.edu'" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN If there is a form available for use by a self-representing citizen to change his/her name on their own, could you please point me in the right direction. Lawyers quote very expensive rates for something that seems as if it should be "fill-in-the-blanks" easy. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:20:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA29778 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA18728; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:19:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA14494; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:16:50 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA26586 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:15:25 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA19109 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:15:19 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip20.irvine.quik.com [207.38.102.20]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA23422 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:14:26 GMT Message-Id: <009b01bd19e3$dfac3f00$1f6626cf@ops_svr> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:10:55 -0000 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Name Change form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I now have to begin seriously wondering where all this name change stuff stems from. Is there a Search Engine weird link thing that causes a simple query "Name+Change" to somehow return a value of Pine Discussion Group?? When this happened the first (six? eight?) times I thought it might have been word of mouth...but now??? Anyone got any ideas how this crap winds up here? Better still, how do we change this? -Colin -----Original Message----- From: Randi Bagley To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 8:57 PM Subject: Name Change form > >If there is a form available for use by a self-representing citizen to >change his/her name on their own, could you please point me in the right >direction. Lawyers quote very expensive rates for something that seems >as if it should be "fill-in-the-blanks" easy. > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:37:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA31438 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA10992; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:37:28 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA20149; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:33:40 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA16596 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:32:28 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA26771 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:32:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA32029 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:31:19 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:31:19 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Name Change form In-Reply-To: <009b01bd19e3$dfac3f00$1f6626cf@ops_svr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: "Colin J. Raven" >Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:10:55 -0000 >I now have to begin seriously wondering where all this name change stuff >stems from. I sent Randi a message asking her, and she sent back a nasty reply, saying I wasn't "friendly". Perhaps Robin could be friendlier than I. She said she used yahoo, but didn't tell me what her search criterion was. This list is archived, and the archives aren't hidden from search engines. My guess is that the more inappropriate questions we get on this topic, the higher this mailing list will score, in a geometric progression. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:49:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA31738 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA11325; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:49:45 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA21006; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:46:31 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA28380 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:45:24 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA11449 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:45:20 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:44:42 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:44:41 +0800 (GMT) Reply-To: Edward M Greshko Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Name Change form In-Reply-To: <34B1497B@loho.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Randi Bagley X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Randi Bagley wrote: > If there is a form available for use by a self-representing citizen to > change his/her name on their own, could you please point me in the right > direction. Lawyers quote very expensive rates for something that seems > as if it should be "fill-in-the-blanks" easy. Please tell us why you send to this list? We are trying to track down how people come to the conclusion that your type of question should be directed here. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time. -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:47:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA00338 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA12820; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:47:19 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA24592; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:44:27 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA24380 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:43:11 -0800 Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (mailhost1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.2]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA11940 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:43:09 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id QAA15044; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:43:04 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:43:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: David L Miller To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Multiple .pinerc's spawned In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Colin J. Raven" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > I found something odd that might attract your interest; > Running Pine under AIX4.0, for no (known) reason, each time I invoke Pine, > it spawns four pinerc's (not dot pinerc's) and with a letter following, > then a five digit number. Those are the temp files that Pine writes when updating your .pinerc file. If an error occurs during the write (e.g. out of disk space) the temp file is abandoned, otherwise it is renamed to .pinerc... -- David L. Miller | Everything has been figured out, Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | except how to live. -- Jean-Paul Box 354841, University of Washington | Sartre 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA | Phone: (206)685-6240 FAX: (206)685-4045 | From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:56:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA03749 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA17046; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:56:28 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id UAA12250; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:53:39 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id UAA22884 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:52:15 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA23577 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:52:14 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip110.anaheim.quik.com [207.38.102.110]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA16022; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 04:51:11 GMT Message-Id: <004201bd1a1b$4cedbd50$6e6626cf@ops_svr> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:48:14 -0000 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Name Change form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" , "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Ouch! that's richly bizarre isn't it? I'll have to do a search and see what happens. I can hardly wait for Robin's take on this subject Adam, it should be somewhat enlightening. Robin??? Would you care to step up to the podium for a moment and share your thoughts with us? -----Original Message----- From: Adam H. Kerman To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Name Change form >>From: "Colin J. Raven" >>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:10:55 -0000 > >>I now have to begin seriously wondering where all this name change stuff >>stems from. > >I sent Randi a message asking her, and she sent back a nasty reply, saying I >wasn't "friendly". Perhaps Robin could be friendlier than I. > >She said she used yahoo, but didn't tell me what her search criterion was. > >This list is archived, and the archives aren't hidden from search engines. My >guess is that the more inappropriate questions we get on this topic, the higher >this mailing list will score, in a geometric progression. > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:20:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA09860 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA02881; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:20:47 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id FAA25761; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:16:35 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id FAA18928 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:15:26 -0800 Received: from jeeves.egr.msu.edu (jeeves.egr.msu.edu [35.9.37.127]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id FAA10292 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:15:25 -0800 Received: from mulder by jeeves.egr.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA14688; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:15:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by mulder (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA01973; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:15:06 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:15:05 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Chris Schafer To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Name Change form In-Reply-To: <004201bd1a1b$4cedbd50$6e6626cf@ops_svr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Colin J. Raven" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: cjs@mulder X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Just for kicks I tried it my self and found that the following search will hit the pine-info archive right off the bat even though the first document found is about a user wanting to "legally" change his name in pine. It might help if the disclaimer at the top included a little extra information (ie. What is "Pine-info"). Anyhow. If anyone wants to reproduce the search: http://av.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=legal+name+change+help&hc=0&hs=11 Chris. On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > Ouch! that's richly bizarre isn't it? > I'll have to do a search and see what happens. > I can hardly wait for Robin's take on this subject Adam, it should be > somewhat enlightening. > > Robin??? Would you care to step up to the podium for a moment and share your > thoughts with us? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam H. Kerman > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: Name Change form > > > >>From: "Colin J. Raven" > >>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:10:55 -0000 > > > >>I now have to begin seriously wondering where all this name change stuff > >>stems from. > > > >I sent Randi a message asking her, and she sent back a nasty reply, saying > I > >wasn't "friendly". Perhaps Robin could be friendlier than I. > > > >She said she used yahoo, but didn't tell me what her search criterion was. > > > >This list is archived, and the archives aren't hidden from search engines. > My > >guess is that the more inappropriate questions we get on this topic, the > higher > >this mailing list will score, in a geometric progression. > > > > > Christopher James Schafer cjs@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/~cjs VOX:353.9769 FAX:355.7516 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:31:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA10359 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA03683; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:31:33 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id GAA20391; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:26:26 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id GAA26914 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:25:06 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA13828 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:25:04 -0800 Received: from voland.freenet.bishkek.su (voland.freenet.bishkek.su [193.125.230.4]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA03598 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:23:28 -0800 Received: from freenet.bishkek.su (fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su [193.125.230.1]) by voland.freenet.bishkek.su (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA10901 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:06:55 +0500 Received: from localhost (fygrave@localhost) by freenet.bishkek.su (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA04600 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:28:04 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:28:04 -0500 (GMT+5) Reply-To: fygrave@usa.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Fyodor To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Pine locking. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-lummer: Bill Gates X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello people I am using pine 3.96. and i don't want this pine to be able writing to /var/spool/mail/.. dir (OS. Linux. R.H. 4.1). However, when pine reads M.B it attempts to lock mailbox by creating similar lock file in the same dir. i tried to set quell-waring-lock-... but it doesn't help. Any ideas how to force pine to complain about locking or get it using another path for lock? --- Fyodor Yarochkin email:fygrave@usa.net http://www.tigerteam.net/linuxgroup/ tel:(3312) 474465 "Optima philosophia et sapientia est meditatio mortis." From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:48:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA10377 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA03880; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:48:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id GAA28931; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:45:04 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id GAA31484 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:43:51 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA10930 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:43:50 -0800 Received: from naveen.ncst.ernet.in (naveen.ncst.ernet.in [202.41.110.35]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id GAA03818 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:43:21 -0800 Received: from iucaa (iucaa.ernet.in [144.16.31.4]) by naveen.ncst.ernet.in (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA29713 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:21:47 +0530 Received: from unipune.ernet.in by iucaa (5.65v3.2/SMI-4.1) id AA08586; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:10:57 +0500 Received: from chem.unipune.ernet.in by unipune.ernet.in (8.8.5/UNIPUNE-MAILHUB(02.04.97)) id UAA01513; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:07:19 -0500 (GMT) Received: from localhost by chem.unipune.ernet.in (8.7.5/SMI-SVR4) id UAA01757; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:19:54 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:19:54 -0500 (GMT+5) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Dr. Subhash B. Padhye" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: regarding address book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have been trying to enter addresses in address book but this message is displayed"adress book is read only" so how can I enter address in address book please help me. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Professor Subhash Padhye Department of Chemistry University of Pune Pune 411 007. INDIA Tele. : (0212) 356061(Ext. 2076) Fax : 91-212-353899/351728 e-mail: sbpadhye@chem.unipune.ernet.in From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA11025 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA24852; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:03 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id HAA01016; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:38:30 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id HAA27210 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:38:09 -0800 Received: from sundial.alumni.ust.hk (sundial.alumni.ust.hk [143.89.127.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA14249 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:38:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (koebi@localhost) by sundial.alumni.ust.hk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA09445; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:38:06 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:38:05 +0800 (HKT) Reply-To: Y M Kung Charles Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Y M Kung Charles To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: regarding address book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Dr. Subhash B. Padhye" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear sir/madam, You can enter the Config session of Setup to find your address book's filename and then check the write permissions of that file. Charles On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Dr. Subhash B. Padhye wrote: > I have been trying to enter addresses in address book > but this message is displayed"adress book is read only" > so how can I enter address in address book > please help me. > > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Professor Subhash Padhye > Department of Chemistry > University of Pune > Pune 411 007. > INDIA > Tele. : (0212) 356061(Ext. 2076) > Fax : 91-212-353899/351728 > e-mail: sbpadhye@chem.unipune.ernet.in > > > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:31:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA20447 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA05812; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:30:57 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA43070; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:24:07 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA42240 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:20:29 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA02346 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:20:28 -0800 Received: from pop.netgate.net (root@pop.netgate.net [204.145.147.7]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA15268 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:20:24 -0800 Received: from piercent.netgate.net (pm3-60.netgate.net [205.214.163.60]) by pop.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03106 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:11:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <34B2AEF5.5688@d2m.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:23:49 -0800 Reply-To: piercent@d2m.com Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Don Pierce To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: The Around Town Mall ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Draw more people to your website! > > http://www.aroundtown.com > > The Internet has become one of the most popular mediums for businesses > to advertise their products and/or services. Companies can reach > customers both locally and worldwide. But with thousands of businesses > jumping on the Internet each month, it is difficult for potential local > customers to find your business without weeding through dozens of > national websites. That ís where the AROUNDTOWN MALL can help. The > mall covers the Greater Bay Area, from Napa to Monterey. You can > advertise your business on the Around Town Mall and gain Internet > exposure, and draw more people to your website. > > An AROUNDTOWN advertising space will cost your company just $50.00 per > quarter (three months) or $150 per year with a one time set-up fee of > $39. > > Call me, Don Pierce at 408 735-1698 or email me at piercent@d2m.com and > I will arrange to come out and discuss the AROUNDTOWN MALL. > > To set up your mall advertisement, all we need is: > > Your logo, picture, camera ready art or digital image or business card > for our graphic artist. > > Up to a 200 word description of your business, it's products and/or > services. We advertise and market your website advertisement and the > mall monthly to maximize visitors to your ad. > > Since you already have a website, all people would have to do is click > on your logo and be linked directly to your website. > > To find out more about AROUNDTOWN or arrange a meeting call Don Pierce > at 408 735-1698 or email me at piercent@d2m.com. > > Thank You, > > Donald E. Pierce > AROUNDTOWN > New Accounts Manager > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:00:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA20891 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA16444; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:00:24 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA35216; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:56:04 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA23212 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:46:59 -0800 Received: from edmonds.wednet.edu (gatesj@nova.edmonds.wednet.edu [168.99.160.78]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA29932 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:46:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (gatesj@localhost) by edmonds.wednet.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA08341 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:48:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:48:03 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: John Gates Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Gates To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: INBOX specification problem in PC-Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I am trying to run pine OFFLINE on a PC (c:\pine and c:\pine\mail). I use Trumpet Winsock under Win311. I hope to use Pine in this fashion only to access archive folders I have in the mail dir. I don't want/need to do a dialup to an ISP. Problem: the delay of 20 seconds or so while pine tries to find an INBOX is frustrating. The search finally times out and allows me to hit ENTER to choose a default path and then the folder screen will show an inbox with no files in it - all is ok after that - can access the other folders just fine. Would like to have it find INBOX and open it quicker than 20 seconds. In the PINERC file I have set user-id=gatesj, personal-name=John Gates, and inbox-path=c:\pine\$user. I have copied a valid folder/file from the pine\mail dir into the \pine dir and renamed it "gatesj". Haven't made any progress - any ideas? Thanks all! John Gates ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John/Nicki Gates 425-774-3777 750 Northstream Ln, Edmonds WA 98020-2637 gatesj@edmonds.wednet.edu Ham Radio:N7BTI ICBM:47.8241768N x 122.3693085W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:03:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA21303 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA16523; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:02:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA29714; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:58:31 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA21424 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:57:45 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id OAA01061 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:57:40 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 06 Jan 98 23:57:15 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21050; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:58:47 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 06 Jan 1998 23:58:43 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Name Change form In-Reply-To: Randi Bagley's message of "Mon, 05 Jan 98 15:43:00 E" References: <34B1497B@loho.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Randi Bagley X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> "RB" == Randi Bagley writes: RB> If there is a form available for use by a self-representing citizen RB> to change his/her name on their own, could you please point me in the RB> right direction. Lawyers quote very expensive rates for something RB> that seems as if it should be "fill-in-the-blanks" easy. Dear Randi, there are quite a few ways to get one's name changed. There is a hard one, which would turn you into St. Bagley. It would involve stuff that majorly sucks like cutting coats in two and stuff. Not cool. Secondly, there is a way that would turn you into Mrs. Randi Cummins, which would require marrying one of the lamest morons the world has ever seen. If you're into this kind of guy, you should consider it an option. Right now, the most attractive solution for you in my mind would be to keep posting to this list. It would certainly lead to a couple of people helping you to change your name to "the late Ms Bagley". This would not require any additional input on your behalf, but instead the kind and generous application of fire-arms, baseball bats, chainsaws and heavy artillery on ours. If you don't like any of these choices: [x] get a life [x] get lost [x] get professional help [x] drop dead Robin "you're posting to an email list dealing with an email program" Socha -- Robin S. Socha M.A. Political Science Dept., Bonn University *S*A*T*A*N* ROOLEZ (D. Moehwald) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:42:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA22167 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA17484; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:41:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA25580; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:35:08 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA19092 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:30:01 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA04018 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:30:00 -0800 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (jfalbe@expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA07461 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:29:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (jfalbe@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08014 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:30:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:30:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jamie Falbe To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: new update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN My email was updated automatically in the last 24 hours. My folders were supposedly put into a new directory, but i can not find any of them. Furthermore, i lost all my adresses saved in my address. One more thing, am I suppose to receive and send files, if so how do I retrieve them? Thanks so much for your time! :) Jamie From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:50:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA22281 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA17731; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:49:56 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA26917; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:43:43 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA22862 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:41:51 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA13829 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:41:47 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:40:55 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:40:55 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: N ame C hange f orm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Robin S. Socha" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Robin, Sorry, I zapped your entire message. However, you always complain that irrelevant stuff shouldn't be quoted. :-) I have an email contact with several individuals who have posted to pine-info asking about "C hanging N ames". It seems all of the ones I've communicated with have performed searches at yahoo or other places with phrases shown to produce results point to pine-info a previously holding conversations about that subject. The folks performing the search just assume that their seach request will return "valid" pointers and proceed to contact one of the indicated sources. The people doing the search tend to be "regular" people with little or no knowledge of the technology they are using, let alone its limitations. They've never heard of "pine" and wouldn't have a reason to stop and think about how "pine" can or cannot be connected with their request. Like it or not, these people make up a growing percentage of the Internet comunity. So, you will be seeing more and more of this type of "error". Yelling at them and making rude comments is not going to improve the situation. The only purpose it serves is to foster the image of the Internet as and unfriendly place. The situation is bound to get worse before it gets better. But, by their numbers, these folks make the Internet a cheaper place for all. So, we (and that *surely* includes me) should learn a bit of tolerance and try to help rather than attack. Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:12:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA22886 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA08623; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:12:10 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA29128; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:09:33 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA46274 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:09:06 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA26153 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:09:06 -0800 Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id QAA08562 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:09:03 -0800 Received: from [166.70.7.175] [166.70.7.175] by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xpj3J-0005fk-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:08:58 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 17:08:51 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Evans To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Wyse 50 / Wyse 150 and UNAME X-To: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN -- [ From: Steve Evans * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Running Solaris 2.5 on a Sun Ultra Sparc with Wyse 50's, 150's and 150es'.. Problem #1 TERM=wyse50 for an environment variable. The Wyse 150 and 150es terminals run Pine beautifully as long as the terminal is set up to emulate a Wyse 150 or 150+. If I set them up to emulate a Wyse 50 or 50+, the screen displays are misaligned. The Wyse 50 terminals that we have only have one Wyse emulation available (WY50). So with these terminals the screen displays are misaligned. I have tried messing with the environment variable in unix, but can find nothing that will work. I also attempted going with vt100 for everything, but our ancient database program will not fully support vt100 mode. Does anyone know of a pine config setting that I can change, or have any other solution to this problem? Problem #2 We do not currently have an Internet connection, so our nodename (uname) does not have an internet extension (i.e. .COM, .EDU, .GOV). Because of this , we get warnings from pine that our mail domain is incomplete. Does anyone know of a way to shut these warnings off without changing out nodename? Please e-mail replies to steve@xmission.com Thanks for your time. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:39:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA23519 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA09281; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:39:05 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA01266; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:36:07 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA42658 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:34:40 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA28136 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:34:39 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip34.irvine.quik.com [207.38.102.34]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA48556; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:33:22 GMT Message-Id: <004e01bd1ac0$71c5bfb0$226626cf@ops_svr> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:30:25 -0000 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: new update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Jamie Falbe" , "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN There's too much that's unknown to constructively help you. First thing...verry first thing, contact your local systems administrator and ask that person precisely what you posted here. We could send you off on an "ls -laF" this and "grep" that and chances are you'd wind up really frustrated, and neither learn what the problem was, or learn much about Pine in the process either. All of the questions you posed can be succinctly answered by your local sysadmin...too many variables for anyone to have the slightest hope of constructively helping you. Try that first, then if you have further Pine questions, well then come on back and we'll help you. -Colin ------------------------------------------------------ Colin J. Raven Network & Systems Administration HDS Lab, Inc. Costa Mesa CA | Harrison NY. -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Falbe To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:43 PM Subject: new update > My email was updated automatically in the last 24 hours. My >folders were supposedly put into a new directory, but i can not find any >of them. Furthermore, i lost all my adresses saved in my address. One more >thing, am I suppose to receive and send files, if so how do I retrieve >them? > Thanks so much for your time! > :) Jamie > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:40:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA23537 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA09337; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:40:53 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA47926; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:37:48 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA35758 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:34:41 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA00138 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:34:39 -0800 Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA18954 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:34:36 -0800 Received: from unixs2.cis.pitt.edu (jmast40@unixs2.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.53]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.7/cispo-2.0.1.7) ID for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:33:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:33:25 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jen Allen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: jmast40@unixs2.cis.pitt.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear Sir or Miss, I received a attachment along with one of the letters that I received and I can't figure out how to get it. The attachment is my Uncle, Aunt and cousin singing we wish you a merry christmas. The system said to save it so I did and now I can't find it. Please tell me how to get to it if you can. Thanks, Jenn From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:54:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA25120 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA20683; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:54:37 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA06841; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:51:30 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA22274 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:49:21 -0800 Received: from piva.ucs.mun.ca (piva.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.63]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA24518 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:49:16 -0800 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (avardy@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by piva.ucs.mun.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19942; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:19:14 -0330 (NST) Received: (from avardy@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.8.8/8.8.3) id WAA12679; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:19:14 -0330 (NST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:19:13 -0330 (NST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Vardy To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Jen Allen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: avardy@plato.ucs.mun.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Jen Allen wrote: > Dear Sir or Miss, > > I received a attachment along with one of the letters that I > received and I can't figure out how to get it. The attachment is my > Uncle, Aunt and cousin singing we wish you a merry christmas. The system > said to save it so I did and now I can't find it. Please tell me how to > get to it if you can. > Perhaps you should save it again from the message. It does tell you the filename when you hit S. You can pick another filename if you want. I am not sure what you mean there "The system said to save it". Pine allows you to save attachments, but I'm not sure about *instructing* you to save it. Once saved, you can download the file. And do with it as you wish. > > Thanks, > Jenn > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:34:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA25560 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA21320; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:34:48 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id SAA30852; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:31:31 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id SAA23190 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:30:26 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA18827 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:30:24 -0800 Received: from gw.cba.com.au (firewall-user@gw.cba.com.au [203.17.185.171]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA21275 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:30:18 -0800 Received: by gw.cba.com.au; id NAA23097; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:28:35 +1100 (EST) Received: from mailgate.cba.com.au(172.29.101.179) by gw.cba.com.au via smap (3.2) id xmaz22268; Wed, 7 Jan 98 13:28:10 +1100 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:25:50 +1100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Costing & Provisioning" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re - Application/MS-TNEF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-To: <'pine-info@cac.washington.edu'> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you have or know of any drivers that will help us open an attachment sent to us in MIME format in Word 6 or Notepad. At the moment when we try to open them they change to .BIN format and when opened in Word or Notepad they appear in hieroglyphics. Please help or let me know if there is anyone else who can help????? Georgette Ertas EDS Sydney - Australia From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:22:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA26012 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA12039; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:22:29 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id TAA11535; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:17:54 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA35880 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:16:47 -0800 Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA21706 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:16:45 -0800 Received: from gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca (gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.98.19]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA30882; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:16:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (maldridg@localhost) by gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA123404; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:16:25 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:16:25 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lea To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Information List X-Cc: jmast40+@pitt.edu X-Sender: maldridg@gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Andrew Vardy wrote: > I am not sure what you mean there "The system said to save it". Pine allows > you to save attachments, but I'm not sure about *instructing* you to save it. When Pine isn't sure of the format of the attachment, it does tell you to use View/Attach to save it to a file... Jenn, you need to find out from your local computing support people what you have available to you as a file transfer program, and how to use it. Use View/Attach in the e-mail message to save the attachment to a file in your account's home directory (Pine will automatically save to the home directory by default). Then use your system's FTP client to download the file to the hard drive of your computer. Later... Lea From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:56:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA26275 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA12454; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:56:05 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id TAA19218; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:52:04 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA36832 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:50:10 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA13224 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:50:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17548 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:48:56 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:48:56 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: N ame C hange f orm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Edward M Greshko >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:40:55 +0800 (GMT) >Robin, >I have an email contact with several individuals who have posted to >pine-info asking about "C hanging N ames". It seems all of the ones >I've communicated with have performed searches at yahoo or other places >with phrases shown to produce results point to pine-info a previously >holding conversations about that subject. I think they are submitting questions to this list through their browser using the mailto: URL in the archives. Unless Robin were to write to them directly, her pithy observations are for our entertainment only. The pine-info list is open to postings from non-subscribers. There is a solution to this problem: Moderate questions posted by non- subscribers. Move long-time contributors to a hidden, unmoderated list. The first time a subscriber asks a question having to do with pine, move him to the unmoderated list. Irrelevant questions get relevant "best of Robin" responses. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:28:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA30884 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA26268; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:28:42 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id XAA24554; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:25:55 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id XAA35636 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:23:54 -0800 Received: from connect1.reach.net (root@connect1.reach.net [204.50.58.9]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA05662 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:23:53 -0800 Received: from nell.reach.net (A28.reach.net [204.50.58.59]) by connect1.reach.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA27297 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:21:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199801070721.CAA27297@connect1.reach.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:26:34 -0500 Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Helen Bates" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Bug in Pine? (CTRL-^ to mark text inconsistent) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'm not subscribed to this list, but am reading an archived post. I have had a similar problem to that of Felix Karpfen when trying to mark text so I can delete several lines at once. I run Pine by proxy by telnetting to the WORLD.STD.COM system and using the login and password (by permission) of a user of that system. I configured the version of Pine he is using to allow the marking of text, and it did work at first, and has worked occasionally since, but mostly, it just causes characters to be typed to the composed post and I usually have to quit Pine and re-enter it to fix this, or I cannot even use the regular commands. Anyone have any ideas about why this should happen? Helen Bates nell@connect.reach.net nell@connect.reach.net Type 2, Diet & Exercise From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:49:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA31106 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA16421; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:49:22 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id XAA01344; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:46:37 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id XAA15584 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:44:38 -0800 Received: from felix.unife.it (cova@felix.unife.it [192.167.208.125]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA06471 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:44:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (cova@localhost) by felix.unife.it (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA32465 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:44:28 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:44:28 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Fabio Coatti To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: problem with display filter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I've a problem with display filters in pine 3.96. I'm trying to use this option with a perl script, but if the script returns any "\n" character the only thing I get is a "Success Hit return to continue" from pine, and when I hit return, the viewer shows only a [Error: Formatting Error: Success] I've tried several scripts,always with the same result. If the output contains no "\n", pine shows no errors but also no text. Can someone give me a hint to track down the problem? I'm using pine under linux 2.1.75 and perl 5. Thanks in advance. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Fabio Coatti 2:332/409.414 Fidonet cova@felix.unife.it Internet http://felix.unife.it/~cova Home page Old SysOps never die... they simply forget their password. ----------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:48:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA01127 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA28816; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:48:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id CAA05250; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:45:10 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id CAA34120 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:43:16 -0800 Received: from bonk.akap.com (steve@[208.218.21.7]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA12354 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:43:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by bonk.akap.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA12810 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 05:43:43 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 05:43:43 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "s.blood" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "s.blood" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: is there a way to quell the 'delete old SENT mail folder' message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN "To save disk space, delete old SENT mail folder sent-mail-dec-1997?" I've looked through .pinerc a couple of times and tried some searches through the archives of this mailing list but haven't been able to find how to turn this option off. Is there a switch somewhere? Any help would be appreciated, thanks, steve blood ps-please cc a copy to me. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:46:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA01991 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA29519; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:46:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA00380; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:44:07 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA29642 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:42:22 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA26015 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:42:21 -0800 Received: from del2.vsnl.net.in (del2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.15.30]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id DAA29483 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:42:16 -0800 Received: from localhost by del2.vsnl.net.in (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/29Nov96-0812PM) id AA22570; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500 (GMT+0500) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rukn Luthra To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: PROBLEM!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Cc: HELPDESK NEW DELHI X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear Sir, When I log into my e-mail, I get the following message "ERROR IN SAVING CONFIGURATON......." and when ever I send a message i get "write to sent mail failed" as a result messages do not get reflected in the sent mail box....While also composing a message i get "No room...Disc quota exceeded..." Please advise urgently on problem and its solution. Thanks Rukn Luthra From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:20:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA03094 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA00284; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:20:13 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id EAA06829; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:17:26 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id EAA36048 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:16:14 -0800 Received: from isc.lf.net (isc.LF.net [194.64.4.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA26898 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:16:13 -0800 Received: by isc.lf.net (Smail3.2.0.95/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remotehost sparclx with uucp for mxu2.u.washington.edu id m0xpuOv-000oZ3C; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:16:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from lamia.delta-ii.de(really [192.9.200.142]) by mail.delta-ii.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:15:56 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jul-11) Received: (from norbert@localhost) by lamia.delta-ii.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00933; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:15:56 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 07 Jan 1998 13:15:56 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Norbert Koch To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: PROBLEM!! In-Reply-To: Rukn Luthra's message of "Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500 (GMT+0500)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Rukn Luthra X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: viteno X-Organisation: Delta Industrie Informatik GmbH X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >>>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500 (GMT+0500), Rukn Luthra said: Hi, RL> Dear Sir, When I log into my e-mail, I get the following message RL> "ERROR IN SAVING CONFIGURATON......." and when ever I send a RL> message i get "write to sent mail failed" as a result messages do RL> not get reflected in the sent mail box....While also composing a RL> message i get "No room...Disc quota exceeded..." Please advise RL> urgently on problem and its solution. Thanks Rukn Luthra this problem is (still) not a pine issue. The message tells you that you should tidy up your place because the part of disk space which has been given to you is all used up. There exist some possible solutions, to be used in the mentioned order (a) remove old, now unwanted since no more needed files (some old mails, eg) (b) bribe your sys admin / help desk clerk to rise your disk quota (c) ... I know, I've been missing some ways to solve the problem (shoot other users and get their disk quota for example) ... but this I consider unprofessional. After you've cleaned some files your configuration file can be saved again (perhaps you should take a glance at it, it might be broken) and sent-mail should work again. l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:37:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA03344 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA00484; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:37:25 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id EAA01129; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:35:09 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id EAA35876 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:34:08 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA00149 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:34:06 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:33:55 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:33:55 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: is there a way to quell the 'delete old SENT mail folder' message In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "s.blood" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, s.blood wrote: > "To save disk space, delete old SENT mail folder sent-mail-dec-1997?" > > > I've looked through .pinerc a couple of times and tried some searches > through the archives of this mailing list but haven't been able to find > how to turn this option off. Is there a switch somewhere? > > Any help would be appreciated, In your .pinerc file find the entry: # Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning. last-time-prune-questioned=98.1 Set it to 110.1 and the next time it will ask you is 2010. Ed From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:39:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA03298 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA00524; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:39:51 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id EAA07077; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:37:46 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id EAA45280 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:36:40 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA27364 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:36:38 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:36:33 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:36:33 +0800 (GMT) Reply-To: Edward M Greshko Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: PROBLEM!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Rukn Luthra X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Along with the good advice of Norbert, you should also be made aware that these types of problems should be first worked thru you ISP's helpdesk. VSNL has a helpdesk in Deli, yes? -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:53:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA03592 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA20487; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:53:48 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id EAA07336; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:51:28 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id EAA34252 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:50:19 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA15729 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:50:16 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:49:31 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:49:31 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: N ame C hange f orm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > I think they are submitting questions to this list through their browser using > the mailto: URL in the archives. Unless Robin were to write to them directly, > her pithy observations are for our entertainment only. You seem to be saying that being rude to someone is OK as long as they can't hear you. Or, maybe being rude to strangers is somehow humorous? > The pine-info list is open to postings from non-subscribers. > > There is a solution to this problem: Moderate questions posted by non- > subscribers. Move long-time contributors to a hidden, unmoderated list. The > first time a subscriber asks a question having to do with pine, move him to the > unmoderated list. Offering to fill this role? > Irrelevant questions get relevant "best of Robin" responses. Some people are ignorant of the fact their questions are irrelevant. That means you have a license to snap at them? Sorry for this off topic comment....now back to "pine" issues. Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:14:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA06175 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA03838; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:14:28 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA15950; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:06:07 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA19366 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:04:00 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA04750 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:03:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24746 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:02:46 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:02:46 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: N ame C hange f orm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Edward M Greshko >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:49:31 +0800 (GMT) >On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>I think they are submitting questions to this list through their browser using >>the mailto: URL in the archives. Unless Robin were to write to them directly, >>her pithy observations are for our entertainment only. >You seem to be saying that being rude to someone is OK as long as they >can't hear you. No, Ed. Rudeness requires that the target be aware of what was said. >Or, maybe being rude to strangers is somehow humorous? Unless Robin sent them private e-mail, she's can't be rude to someone who isn't on the list. Whether or not YOU found it funny is another matter. >>The pine-info list is open to postings from non-subscribers. >>There is a solution to this problem: Moderate questions posted by non- >>subscribers. Move long-time contributors to a hidden, unmoderated list. The >>first time a subscriber asks a question having to do with pine, move him to >>the unmoderated list. >Offering to fill this role? It's up to the list owner. But, I'd be willing to help. >>Irrelevant questions get relevant "best of Robin" responses. >Some people are ignorant of the fact their questions are irrelevant. That >means you have a license to snap at them? You volunteering to write the responses? >Sorry for this off topic comment....now back to "pine" issues. Actually, we get a significant amount of off-topic posting, and we should attempt to solve the problem. I suggest that we continue this thread. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:23:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA06310 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:23:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA04050; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:22:56 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA17156; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:20:01 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA15576 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:18:23 -0800 Received: from intraactive.com (huka.intraactive.com [208.212.192.12]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA04382 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:18:21 -0800 Received: from huka.intraactive.com (mail.intraactive.com [208.212.192.140]) by intraactive.com (8.7.5/1996042601) id LAA14629; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Julianne Kurtz To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: N ame C hange f orm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Why don't we send mail to yahoo explaining the situation and asking if they could possibly remove that particular listing for us? Does anyone know anyone over there? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Julianne Kurtz julianne@intraactive.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:01:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA07262 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA24832; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:01:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA19522; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:55:28 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA13518 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:53:36 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA07156 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:53:34 -0800 Received: from sheerx.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12998; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:54:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:54:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: N ame C hange f orm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN A solution a little less drastic than full moderation would simply be to not allow posts from people who haven't subscribed--it's a common enough mailing list convention. Yes, it means that to ask a question, one must figure out how to subscribe, but it's not that hard, and it would probably filter out most of the accidental off topics. Vinnie On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Actually, we get a significant amount of off-topic posting, and we should > attempt to solve the problem. I suggest that we continue this thread. > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA07562 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA05122; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:04:10 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA29932; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:58:06 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA29584 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:57:07 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA03293 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:57:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25299 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:55:59 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:55:59 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: N ame C hange f orm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Julianne Kurtz >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) >Why don't we send mail to yahoo explaining the situation and asking if >they could possibly remove that particular listing for us? It should be fixed in the pine archives themselves. yahoo, and the other search engines, wouldn't customize anything unless the university paid a fee. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:33:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA08032 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA25806; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:32:56 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id JAA35716; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:27:36 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA20772 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:25:31 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA10818 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:25:31 -0800 Received: from hjalmar.kalmar.se (ns.kalmar.se [193.45.96.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA05719 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:25:27 -0800 Received: from hjalmar (kk100-25.kalmar.se [193.45.100.25]) by hjalmar.kalmar.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28722 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:16:44 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980107172217.0067d3a0@mailgate.kalmar.se> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:22:17 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Anne-Li Fredriksson To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: I understand nothing.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: ofafn@mailgate.kalmar.se (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Can someone please tell me about ISO-8859-1. Does the following message mean something? =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_ _=E4r _ _??= From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:17:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA08957 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA06989; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:17:36 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA19529; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:12:50 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA39136 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:11:19 -0800 Received: from ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk (ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk [163.1.244.27]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA09699 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:11:17 -0800 Received: by ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:11:18 -0000 Message-Id: <21A996716DF4D011BDCA006097AD19450DB287@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:11:16 -0000 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian McArthur To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Pine with Exchange 5.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-To: "'pine-info@u.washington.edu'" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear All, I notice that a couple of people have reported on this list that they are unable to get Pine 3.96 to see all folders on an exchange server running 5.5 with IMAP enabled. I too have encountered this and was told that this is due to the absence of some optional IMAP2 backwards compatibility in the MS product. Can anyone confirm this and if so anyone put a timescale on the release of a full IMAP4 version of Pine ? I'm certainly keen to see it. Cheers, Ian From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:26:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA09387 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA27216; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:26:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA20034; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:20:32 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA27434 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:19:25 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id KAA22324 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:19:24 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 07 Jan 98 19:18:52 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11740; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:20:27 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 07 Jan 1998 19:20:26 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: N ame C hange f orm In-Reply-To: Edward M Greshko's message of "Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:40:55 +0800 (GMT)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Edward M Greshko X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> "EMG" == Edward "Saint" Greshko writes: ESG> I have an email contact with several individuals who have posted ESG> to pine-info asking about "C hanging N ames". Nice try, but a regexp search will catch those, too, Ed... ESG> It seems all of the ones I've communicated with have performed ESG> searches at yahoo or other places with phrases shown to produce ESG> results point to pine-info a previously holding conversations ESG> about that subject. Oh... emmm... like "how to change the name in the from line"? Ray, Annelise, are you there? You suck. You hear me? [...] ESG> The people doing the search tend to be "regular" people with ESG> little or no knowledge of the technology they are using, let ESG> alone its limitations. They've never heard of "pine" and ESG> wouldn't have a reason to stop and think about how "pine" can ESG> or cannot be connected with their request. Sure. We all know that, Ed. The problem is: would you like me to run you over with a ten-ton truck, saying "sorry, but I didn't know the technology"? ESG> Like it or not, these people make up a growing percentage of the ESG> Internet comunity. So, you will be seeing more and more of this ESG> type of "error". The dawning of doom. But... *we* don't surrender. *We* don't take any prisoners either. If *they* don't listen to reason, *we*'ll bring our superior firepower to bear. while true ; echo "RTFM" | mail loser@i.suck.com ; done ESG> Yelling at them and making rude comments is not going to improve ESG> the situation. Noone's done that IIRC. We've all been very helpful and understanding. Face it, Ed, she could be a saint now, if she only had listened... ESG> The only purpose it serves is to foster the image of the Internet ESG> as and unfriendly place. Oh yeah? If somehow Microsoft decided to give away guns for free, so that everyone could have even more information at their fingertips, would you just sit there and say "thanks guys, great job"? The internet is not an unfriendly place at all if you stick to the rules that guys much cleverer than you and I made up years ago. If for whatever reason *they* should decide that pouring their crap into *our* information network would be a pretty KeWL idea... well, you know... ESG> The situation is bound to get worse before it gets better. It's certainly not going to get any better if the people who know what the internet can do just sit there silently waiting for the next glorious toilet appliance from Redmond. ESG> But, by their numbers, these folks make the Internet a cheaper ESG> place for all. May I politely interject here: this is about the dumbest thing I've heard for years? The internet is not cheap, and if it is to work at all, it will have to be made a *lot* more expensive. Just look at what AOL, compusmurf and MSN have done to the net already. Hell, I got about the fastest machine I ever had - but my download ratios plainly suck. IRC is being taken over by child pornographers and KeWL WaREz GuYZ. Even a.s.s. is full of commercial crap. And you want to tell *me* that the net is getting cheaper? I mean, yeah, it's being cheapened and nastied, but it's not getting any cheaper... This sucks. I hate those lusers. ESG> So, we (and that *surely* includes me) should learn a bit of ESG> tolerance and try to help rather than attack. Appeasement? No, Sir, thank you, we've had that before, and it didn't work then, either. I say, let's stand and fight. Ummm... and help, where we can, too. }:-> Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Free Software: Contribute nothing, expect nothing From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:52:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA11497 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:52:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA29395; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:52:49 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA26329; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:42:55 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA14638 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:41:04 -0800 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.us.ikom.net (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA30102 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:41:03 -0800 Received: by BKB01-IMS-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:40:33 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:40:40 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Everett, Marty" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-To: Pine Discussion Forum , "'Ian McArthur'" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have pine working with the default inbox and exchange 5.5 jut fine. I have not at this time tried any other folders. ( not user how ?). If you need some setup detail let me know. ---------- From: Ian McArthur[SMTP:Ian.McArthur@physics.ox.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:11 PM To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine with Exchange 5.5 Dear All, I notice that a couple of people have reported on this list that they are unable to get Pine 3.96 to see all folders on an exchange server running 5.5 with IMAP enabled. I too have encountered this and was told that this is due to the absence of some optional IMAP2 backwards compatibility in the MS product. Can anyone confirm this and if so anyone put a timescale on the release of a full IMAP4 version of Pine ? I'm certainly keen to see it. Cheers, Ian From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:22:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA12207 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA00181; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:22:51 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA00200; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:18:12 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA29512 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:16:31 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA20576 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:16:29 -0800 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA10033 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:16:26 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA24268; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:15:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from dsl52.phnx.uswest.net(207.225.190.52) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024220; Wed Jan 7 14:15:16 1998 Message-Id: <199801073862CAA23210@post.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:15:53 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: billy@bingo.edu (TVC, TImeshare, Travel Club) To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: See where your Competion is advertising X-To: billy@bingo.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Are your clients: Travelers, Vacationers or Timeshare Owners? 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NOW! http://www.fsbo-home.com/tvc/timeshare.htm Or send for more information: < mailto:profit@fsbo-home.com > To be removed from this mailing list please reply to: < remove@fsbo-home.com > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:45:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA15634 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA05050; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:45:40 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA24300; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:42:34 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA21574 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:41:59 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA10182 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:41:57 -0800 Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA15280 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:41:55 -0800 Received: from unixs4.cis.pitt.edu (jmast40@unixs4.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.55]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/cispo-2.0.1.7) ID for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:43:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:43:29 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jen Allen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: jmast40@unixs4.cis.pitt.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear Sir or Miss, I figured out my problem. So nobody has to email me anymore. Thanks anyway. Jenn From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:57:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA17277 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA05359; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:57:51 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA21176; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:54:07 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA22398 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:52:54 -0800 Received: from sindbad.rz.uni-augsburg.de (root@sindbad.RZ.Uni-Augsburg.DE [137.250.111.37]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA11403 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:52:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (binder@localhost) by sindbad.rz.uni-augsburg.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA09852 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:36:58 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:36:58 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: Thomas Binder Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Thomas Binder To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: how to use pine with different email-accounts? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi. i have several folders in my pine which are filled by my procmail with e-mail from differnet servers. now i want to write an email from the folder "xy" with my email-address binder@xy; when i am in folder "xz", i want to write an email with the adresse binder@xz. I had a possible solution with different .pinerc, but this does not solve it proper for my needs, i just want to go from one folder and reply with one of the email-adresses... I don't know much about filtering with pine, but could this be done with an outgoing filter, which does some sendmail? (don't know much about sendmail either!). thanx for your help... Thomas. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |oooO / ) ( \ Oooo. | |( ( ) / ( ) \ ( ) ) imehl: binder@sindbad..uni-augsburg.de | | \ ( ( ) ) ( ) ) ) / | | \_) .oooO Oooo. 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Fields) | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:33:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA22923 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA11917; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:33:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA20181; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:30:33 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA16766 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:30:12 -0800 Received: from fsmat.htu.tuwien.ac.at (fsmat.htu.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.43.74]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA13118 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:30:03 -0800 Received: from localhost (kellner@localhost) by fsmat.htu.tuwien.ac.at (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03551 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:29:54 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:29:54 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: kellner@fsmat.htu.tuwien.ac.at Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jakob Kellner To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: folder index - sender or recipient MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: kellner@fsmat X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi! In the FOLDER INDEX pine displays the SENDER of a message. "If you are the sender, the first recipient's name is shown here." Can you tell pine somehow that you have more than one email-address? My email-address has changed a few times (partly becouse I traveld to other countries), and so I often see my name instead of the recipient's when I brouwse through old mailfolders. (The alternative of changing the From: Name lines "manually" in old mailfolders doesn't seem too attractive to me.) If there is no such feature, maybe this could be a suggestion for further versions? Please answer directly, since I am not a subscriber of the mailing-list. thanks (__) Jakob Kellner vv vv (oo) School of Mathematics F07 ||----|| * /-------\/ University of Sydney, NSW 2006 || | / / | || eMail: kellner@pap.univie.ac.at /\-------/ * ||----|| (oo) ~~ ~~ Australian Cow Austrian Cow (~~) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:16:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA23288 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA12413; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:16:12 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id XAA16182; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:12:54 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id XAA43666 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:11:44 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id XAA10452 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:11:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA01417; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:10:16 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:10:16 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: folder index - sender or recipient In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Jakob Kellner X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Jakob Kellner >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:29:54 +0100 (MET) >Can you tell pine somehow that you have more than one email-address? In the configuration file, add your old addresses to the option "alt-addresses". For more information, read the context-sensitive help. You may have as many as you like. In your folders, you will see the recipient's name or newsgroup listed if you are the author, and you will also see the "+" if you are the recipient for any of the addresses you list. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:50:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA28896 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA00601; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:50:02 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id GAA02604; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:44:55 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id GAA35498 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:43:41 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA26445 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:43:39 -0800 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.176]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA00481 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:43:36 -0800 Message-Id: <2cfad49f.34b4e525@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:31 EST Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: CMandracch To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: importing jewelry Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN To whom it may concern: I am interested in getting started in the importing business; the product that I will se selling is filigree jewelry from India. I am a teacher by profession and I need some info. in getting started in this business. If you have any info. available, I would deeply appreciate it. Thank you for your time; I am looking forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Cindi Email address: CMandracch From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:07:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA29781 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA02385; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:07:00 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA05866; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:01:52 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA14850 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:00:36 -0800 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.us.ikom.net (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA02156 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:00:35 -0800 Received: by BKB01-IMS-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:00:28 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:00:19 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Everett, Marty" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-To: "'Feinholz, Steven'" X-Cc: "'pine-info@u.washington.edu'" , "Riley, David" , "Wyant, Rich" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Port 143 is the imap tcp port. This tells me that IMAP is NOT turned running on the NT exchange server. Need to make sure you have IMAP running on that box!. A simple test will let you know when it is running. from a command prompt run: $ telnet imap01 143 - imap01 is the hostname of exchange server. this is what you should get back Trying... Connected to imap01. Escape character is '^T'. OK Microsoft Exchange IMAP4rev1 server version 5.5.1960.6 (imap01) ready If you do not get the message from exchange then it is not running. Thanks Marty ---------- From: Feinholz, Steven[SMTP:sf3@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 5:47 PM To: Everett, Marty Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 I keep getting: Can't connect to <...> server, 143: refused or: Can't connect to <...> server, 143: timed out __________________________________________________ Steven Feinholz NCR Parallel Systems Client Software Phone: (310) 524-5945 Fax: (310) 524-5515 VoicePlus: 427-5945 email: Steven.Feinholz@ElSegundoCa.NCR.COM > ---------- > From: Everett, Marty[SMTP:MEverett@IKON.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:45 PM > To: Everett, Marty; 'Feinholz, Steven' > Cc: Wyant, Rich; Riley, David; Wessells, Jim; Yang, Jennifer > Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 > > What I did. > > 1) find out what system my mail box was on. > 2) Make sure Imap is turned on that system. Has be on that system > 3) Note your NT account login. > 4) Then set these two lines in you .pinerc > inbox-path={fred01/user=imap}inbox > rsh-open-timeout=0 > > fred01 is the hostname of the Exchange server i.e. > should resolve to the ip address of your NT exchange server that has > your mail box on it. > imap is the your nt account name on the nt server > rsh-open-timeout will set it so that it will prompt you > for a password right away and not try to see if r-commands will work > first. > > Other option of note : > > To make it so it looks like the mail you send came from your > exchange account set these options in your .pinerc. > > 1) personal-name="Imap User" > This should match what your full name is in exchange > 2) customized-hdrs=From: Imap User > this should match your full name in exchange and what > your smtp address is in exchange ( not your local host but on the > exchange server !!) > Also note the for the hdrs change to work you must > compile pine with the proper support turned on. > > To use exchange as your sendmail server and not your local > sendmail daemon then. > > 1) smtp-server=jane01 > This should be what ever exchange server has the > "Internet Mail connector turned on" this does not have to be the same > server that has your mail box but can be. This can be nice because you > will not have to setup or play with local sendmail daemon to make pine > sendmail. > > To get a global address from exchange. This is more difficult > because pine does not have ldap support at this time. What you can get > around this with and external ldap query program that runs the creates > the pine address book on a timely basis. If you need to know how to do > this let me know but you will some none pine programs. > > Thanks Marty > > > > > > > ---------- > From: Feinholz, Steven[SMTP:sf3@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:17 PM > To: Everett, Marty > Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 > > Actually, I could use some help. We have Exchange 5.x > running with an MSMail 7.0 server. I think we are switching > to the Exchange server in the next few months. > > But I have been unable to get Pine to even recognize my > INBOX on the server. Maybe I am setting it up incorrectly. > I was pointing the INBOX to my PST file on the server. > > __________________________________________________ > Steven Feinholz > NCR Parallel Systems > Client Software > Phone: (310) 524-5945 > Fax: (310) 524-5515 > VoicePlus: 427-5945 > email: Steven.Feinholz@ElSegundoCa.NCR.COM > > > ---------- > > From: Everett, Marty[SMTP:MEverett@IKON.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:40 AM > > To: Pine Discussion Forum > > Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 > > > > I have pine working with the default inbox and exchange 5.5 > jut fine. > > I > > have not at this time tried any other folders. ( not user how > ?). If > > you > > need some setup detail let me know. > > > > ---------- > > From: Ian McArthur[SMTP:Ian.McArthur@physics.ox.ac.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:11 PM > > To: Pine Discussion Forum > > Subject: Pine with Exchange 5.5 > > > > Dear All, > > I notice that a couple of people have reported on this > list that > > they > > are unable to get Pine 3.96 to see all folders on an > exchange > > server > > running 5.5 with IMAP enabled. I too have encountered > this and > > was told > > that this is due to the absence of some optional IMAP2 > backwards > > compatibility in the MS product. Can anyone confirm this > and if > > so > > anyone put a timescale on the release of a full IMAP4 > version of > > Pine ? > > I'm certainly keen to see it. > > Cheers, Ian > > > > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:08:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA31292 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA04256; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:08:06 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id JAA07962; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:03:58 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA24590 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:01:45 -0800 Received: from del2.vsnl.net.in (del2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.15.30]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id JAA10959 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:01:40 -0800 Received: from localhost by del2.vsnl.net.in (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/29Nov96-0812PM) id AA03654; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:33:11 +0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:33:11 +0500 (GMT+0500) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rukn Luthra To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: PROBLEM!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Norbert Koch X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi Norbert! Thanks..I figured all this ...but deleting almost all my messages in the inbox and sent mail box did not help...so...anyways I have solved the problem...Thanks. Rukn On 7 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500 (GMT+0500), Rukn Luthra said: > > Hi, > > RL> Dear Sir, When I log into my e-mail, I get the following message > RL> "ERROR IN SAVING CONFIGURATON......." and when ever I send a > RL> message i get "write to sent mail failed" as a result messages do > RL> not get reflected in the sent mail box....While also composing a > RL> message i get "No room...Disc quota exceeded..." Please advise > RL> urgently on problem and its solution. Thanks Rukn Luthra > > this problem is (still) not a pine issue. The message tells you that > you should tidy up your place because the part of disk space which has > been given to you is all used up. There exist some possible solutions, > to be used in the mentioned order > > (a) remove old, now unwanted since no more needed files (some old > mails, eg) > (b) bribe your sys admin / help desk clerk to rise your disk quota > (c) ... > > I know, I've been missing some ways to solve the problem (shoot other > users and get their disk quota for example) ... but this I consider > unprofessional. > > After you've cleaned some files your configuration file can be saved > again (perhaps you should take a glance at it, it might be broken) and > sent-mail should work again. > > l8er, norbert. > > -- > Norbert Koch > a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:37:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA00640 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA26962; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:37:49 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA46168; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:32:38 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA39174 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:30:12 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA19660 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:30:09 -0800 Received: from cocoon.ucr.edu (trana06@cocoon.ucr.edu [138.23.226.104]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA26703 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:30:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (trana06@localhost) by cocoon.ucr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA12237 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:26:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:26:42 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ann Huynh Tran To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Sug (ID Y777J): (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: trana06@cocoon X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Huynh Tran To: Pine Developers Subject: Sug (ID Y777J): Hi, please help me retrieve my old messages. I was asked if I wanted to empty out my folder and start from January to save space. I did so without thinking that it would delete all my old messages. How do I get them all back??? Please Help!!! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:40:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA00710 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA07176; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:40:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA15766; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:36:39 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA27190 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:36:17 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA13873 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:36:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07602 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: irrelevant posts (was: importing jewelry) In-Reply-To: <2cfad49f.34b4e525@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: CMandracch >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:31 EST >I am interested in getting started in the importing business; the product that >I will se selling is filigree jewelry from India. Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was the highest scoring hit for "filigree jewelry"? I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an argument for modera- ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:24:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA10342 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA17632; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:23:57 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA14777; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:19:53 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA44478 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:17:49 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA26216 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:17:45 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip39.irvine.quik.com [207.38.102.39]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA47044; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:16:34 GMT Message-Id: <000201bd1c58$cdde4e40$276626cf@ops_svr> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:00:52 -0000 Reply-To: "Colin J. Raven" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts (was: importing jewelry) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" , "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Adam; I recently wrote to Ed on this subject. Having read the thread that seems to have developed, I concur with the apparent concensus that a moderated list and an unmoderated private one alongside seems to have the structure necessary to solve the problem. I would be willing to moderate a new subscriber's list, and since I prefer to avoid flaming or retorting to silly-assed queries, maybe that might be of some help when acting as a moderator. For that matter, perhaps those core members could rotate moderation on (say) a three month basis. If we had four willing members, then each would run the list once per year. If not, then what the hell, I'll moderate it. What would be necessary from U/Wash point of view to make this happen, and would they necessarily agree with the need to do this? Does this become a policy issue? I have no clue what the possible answers are to any of the above. Maybe it doesn't matter...I don't know. I accede to the wishes of the majority here, but I have the patience to do it which may help. -Colin > >>I am interested in getting started in the importing business; the product that >>I will se selling is filigree jewelry from India. > >Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was the highest >scoring hit for "filigree jewelry"? > >I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an argument for modera- >ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:46:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA10840 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA18096; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:46:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA17655; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:43:24 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA29524 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:41:08 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA05289 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:41:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12489 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:40:07 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:40:07 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: <000201bd1c58$cdde4e40$276626cf@ops_svr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: "Colin J. Raven" >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:00:52 -0000 >What would be necessary from U/Wash point of view to make this happen, and >would they necessarily agree with the need to do this? Does this become a >policy issue? I don't know who the Webmaster is, and who the list-owner is. The Webmaster would need to change the archives to clearly give a description of pine on any Web page that has a mailto: URL. I got a letter today on "lxgal nxme chxnge". Fixing the Web pages would likely eliminate 90% of the irrelevant posts from nonsubscribers. Any post from a nonsubscriber would be sent to the moderation pool. Any new subscriber could be moderated till he asks a relevant question. The list server used is ListProc, and I assume it could filter mail along these lines. This is my suggestion. I wish the list-owner would post a message offering the University's opinion. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:02:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA11791 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA09637; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:02:36 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id SAA40216; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:58:58 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id SAA49272 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:57:23 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA02906 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:57:21 -0800 Received: from seovca.seovec.ohio.gov (seovca.seovec.ohio.gov [156.63.161.8]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id SAA09557 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:57:19 -0800 Received: from SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV by SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV (PMDF V5.1-9 #6787) id <01IS5E8A9Y7A8WXIQP@SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:57:53 EST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:57:53 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: wl_csmith@SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Messages not delivered MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Cc: Carolyn Smith X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN For the past four days, I have not been receiving all my e-mail. Only part of the messages are getting through. I've sent myself test messages as well as messages to a group. These are not getting through. Messages to certain individuals are being delivered. Any suggestions? Carolyn Smith From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:21:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA12061 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA19807; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:21:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id TAA25155; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:17:54 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA51618 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:16:39 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA26232 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:16:37 -0800 Received: from seovca.seovec.ohio.gov (seovca.seovec.ohio.gov [156.63.161.8]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA19722 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:16:35 -0800 Received: from SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV by SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV (PMDF V5.1-9 #6787) id <01IS5ERVN8BK8WXIQP@SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:17:15 EST Message-Id: <01IS5ESLYQJO8WXIQP@SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:14:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: WL_CSMITH@SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Problems with delivery MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Much of my mail sent through Pine is not getting out. I am not using Pine to send this message. I have been unable to send messages to myself or to a dist- tribution group that I head up. This problem has only happened for the last four days. Any suggestins????? Carolyn SMith From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:32:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA06378 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA22584; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:32:00 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA01749; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:28:07 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA20288 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:26:59 -0800 Received: from isc.lf.net (isc.LF.net [194.64.4.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA20602 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:26:57 -0800 Received: by isc.lf.net (Smail3.2.0.95/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remotehost sparclx with uucp for mxu2.u.washington.edu id m0xqXu6-0000DlC; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:26:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from lamia.delta-ii.de(really [192.9.200.142]) by mail.delta-ii.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:24:39 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jul-11) Received: (from norbert@localhost) by lamia.delta-ii.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA05731; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:24:27 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 09 Jan 1998 07:24:27 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Norbert Koch To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Sug (ID Y777J): (fwd) In-Reply-To: Ann Huynh Tran's message of "Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:26:42 -0800 (PST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ann Huynh Tran X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: viteno X-Organization: Delta Industrie Informatik GmbH X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >>>On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:26:42 -0800 (PST), Ann Huynh Tran said: AHT> Hi, please help me retrieve my old messages. I was asked if I AHT> wanted to empty out my folder and start from January to save AHT> space. I did so without thinking that it would delete all my old AHT> messages. How do I get them all back??? Hi, your message-id is something like 'Pine.SOL.3.95...'. Therefore, I guess that you are on a unix machine. If this holds true, you must ask your local sys admin whether she's got any backup tapes of your folder collection directory ($HOME/mail or whatever you've put into your .pinerc), because delete in the unix world doesn't provide any means to retrieve old files by guessing strange leading characters. On Windows systems it should be possible to get them back using undelete, but I'm absolutely the wrong person to answer this :-) Hmm ... Ed, is this statement correct? To all the others ... is this statement *not* offending? l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:35:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA14139 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA22627; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:35:35 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA01977; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:32:13 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA15050 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:31:04 -0800 Received: from isc.lf.net (isc.LF.net [194.64.4.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA13669 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:31:02 -0800 Received: by isc.lf.net (Smail3.2.0.95/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remotehost sparclx with uucp for mx5.u.washington.edu id m0xqXy4-0000DlC; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:30:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from lamia.delta-ii.de(really [192.9.200.142]) by mail.delta-ii.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:30:52 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jul-11) Received: (from norbert@localhost) by lamia.delta-ii.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA05795; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:30:41 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 09 Jan 1998 07:30:41 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Norbert Koch To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts (was: importing jewelry) In-Reply-To: "Adam H. Kerman"'s message of "Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 (CST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: viteno X-Organization: Delta Industrie Informatik GmbH X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >>>On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 (CST), "Adam H. Kerman" said: [...crap...] AHK> Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was AHK> the highest scoring hit for "filigree jewelry"? AHK> I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an AHK> argument for modera- ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone AHK> else think this is a good idea? Hi, you are absolutely right ... this is not a primary pine problem :-) The problem with moderation is: who's got the spare time and is willing/able to read/stand all the crap that is coming along the strange and twisted channels knocking at the pine mailing-list's door. It is certainly not possible for me, my chef is going to kill me on the spot :-/ just my 2p, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:28:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA15927 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA25377; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:27:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id CAA12123; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:23:20 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id CAA37096 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:22:04 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA14799 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:22:03 -0800 Received: from mallard.duc.auburn.edu (mallard2.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.2.23]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id CAA25336 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:22:00 -0800 Received: from localhost by mallard.duc.auburn.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA28159; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:21:58 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:21:58 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Chi-Hao Hu To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: huchirh@mallard X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN what does it mean when it says "read-only" next to the word "inbox"? thank you ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chi-Hao Hu e-mail - huchirh@mail.auburn.edu 111 Thomas St. Apt#7 -or- Auburn, Al 36832 Batman429@aol.com 334-826-7717 homepage - http://www.auburn.edu~huchirh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A UUUUU A A UUUUU U A A U U AAAAAAA U U A A U UA AU AAAAAA AAAAAA U U UUUUUUUUUUU From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:46:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA16857 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA15521; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:46:42 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id CAA08547; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:42:58 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id CAA36908 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:41:51 -0800 Received: from pump2.york.ac.uk (pump2.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.12]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA15479 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:41:49 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk (pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.6]) by pump2.york.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05798; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mike Brudenell To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: Norbert Koch X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Just a thought... Rather than going the whole hog and turning the list into a moderated one (ie, have every article vetted by a human before passing on to the list at large) how about converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only subscribers can post to it? Then people who haven't subscribed but try to post would get an error message back telling them that the list is a closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) what the list is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. This would avoid the burden on, and delays in postings caused by having to filter articles through, a humanoid whilst hopefully significantly cut down the junk from spammers, web-searchers, and other random odds-n-sods. Any comments anyone? -- Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ * Unsolicited commercial e-mail is NOT welcome at this e-mail address. * On 9 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 (CST), "Adam H. Kerman" said: > > [...crap...] > > AHK> Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was > AHK> the highest scoring hit for "filigree jewelry"? > > AHK> I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an > AHK> argument for modera- ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone > AHK> else think this is a good idea? > > Hi, > > you are absolutely right ... this is not a primary pine problem :-) > > The problem with moderation is: who's got the spare time and is > willing/able to read/stand all the crap that is coming along the > strange and twisted channels knocking at the pine mailing-list's > door. It is certainly not possible for me, my chef is going to kill me > on the spot :-/ > > just my 2p, norbert. > > -- > Norbert Koch From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:52:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA16929 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id CAA25651; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:52:20 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id CAA12584; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:48:25 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id CAA44248 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:47:21 -0800 Received: from mailserv.tem.nhl.nl (mailserv.tem.nhl.nl [141.252.150.3]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id CAA15645 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:47:19 -0800 Received: from hio.tem.nhl.nl by mailserv.tem.nhl.nl id aa11807; 9 Jan 98 11:47 CET Received: from localhost by hio (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0) id AA04605; Fri, 9 Jan 98 11:41:54 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:41:53 +0100 (GMT+0100) Reply-To: Andreas Sikkema Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andreas Sikkema To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mike Brudenell X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: sikke600@skutsje X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Mike Brudenell wrote: > Rather than going the whole hog and turning the list into a moderated one > (ie, have every article vetted by a human before passing on to the list at > large) how about converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only > subscribers can post to it? Then people who haven't subscribed but try to > post would get an error message back telling them that the list is a > closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) what the list > is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. This is the best suggestion I heard sofar. (PS I'm just a lurker, but I'm getting more and more annoyed with all this ch*ng*ng *f n*m*s) ___ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ Andreas Sikkema ___/ _/ _/ _/ sikke600@hio.tem.nhl.nl __ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/ Gato blanco, gato negro, lo _ _/ _/ _/ _/ importante es que cace ratones ___/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ www.engineering.tem.nhl.nl/~sikke600 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:26:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA17242 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA26035; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:25:57 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA13494; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:21:37 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA44008 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:20:36 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA24358 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:20:35 -0800 Received: from narpes.fi (www.narpes.fi [194.251.133.9]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA25993 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:20:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (jsjoberg@localhost) by narpes.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11649 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:22 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:15 +0200 (EET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: =?1?Q?Johan_Sj=F6berg?= To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: what MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN How can you send a letter to another person secret From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:42:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA16641 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA26241; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:42:45 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA13816; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:38:06 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA34690 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:36:54 -0800 Received: from isc.lf.net (isc.LF.net [194.64.4.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA29549 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:36:53 -0800 Received: by isc.lf.net (Smail3.2.0.95/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remotehost sparclx with uucp for mxu2.u.washington.edu id m0xqcjh-000qQKC; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:36:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from lamia.delta-ii.de(really [192.9.200.142]) by mail.delta-ii.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:36:18 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jul-11) Received: (from norbert@localhost) by lamia.delta-ii.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10970; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:36:09 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:36:09 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Norbert Koch To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Chi-Hao Hu's message of "Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:21:58 -0600 (CST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Chi-Hao Hu X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: viteno X-Organization: Delta Industrie Informatik GmbH X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >>>On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:21:58 -0600 (CST), Chi-Hao Hu said: chh> what does it mean when it says "read-only" next to the word chh> "inbox"? thank you hmmm, maybe that the inbox is read only and you can't work with the mails in it apart from reading them? But well, let's see ... either you started pine with a '-o' switch (that's read only for the first folder) or another pine process is allocating your inbox. In the second case, which is announced by pine at start up time, kill the other process (you know ... ps -ef | grep pine ; kill -9 ). l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:53:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA17553 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA16244; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:52:58 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA44290; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:47:15 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA41090 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:45:50 -0800 Received: from isc.lf.net (isc.LF.net [194.64.4.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA24195 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:45:48 -0800 Received: by isc.lf.net (Smail3.2.0.95/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remotehost sparclx with uucp for mx5.u.washington.edu id m0xqcsh-000qS0C; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:45:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from lamia.delta-ii.de(really [192.9.200.142]) by mail.delta-ii.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:45:39 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jul-11) Received: (from norbert@localhost) by lamia.delta-ii.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA11082; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:45:38 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:45:37 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Norbert Koch To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: Mike Brudenell's message of "Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000 (GMT)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mike Brudenell X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Attribution: viteno X-Organization: Delta Industrie Informatik GmbH X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >>>On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000 (GMT), Mike Brudenell said: MB> Just a thought... Rather than going the whole hog and turning MB> the list into a moderated one (ie, have every article vetted by a MB> human before passing on to the list at large) how about MB> converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only subscribers MB> can post to it? Then people who haven't subscribed but try to MB> post would get an error message back telling them that the list MB> is a closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) MB> what the list is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. [...] MB> Any comments anyone? Of course :-) The suggestion sounds quite good to me ... the only problem might be, imo, that point (b) only delays the emergence of off-topic mails, but it's worth a try. Point (a) is *very* interesting, since this mailing-list has been set up in order to separate more technically based questions on pine from FAQs that are to be posted to comp.mail.whine (oops :-). In fact, FAQs shouldn't be posted at all, but that's a different cup of tea. Ed, Robin what do you think? l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:00:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA17596 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA16323; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:59:57 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA09748; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:53:56 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA41792 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:52:54 -0800 Received: from bramber.windsor.com (bramber.windsor.com [199.181.96.54]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id DAA29902 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:52:53 -0800 Received: (from erics@localhost) by bramber.windsor.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA01777 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:52:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199801091152.GAA01777@bramber.windsor.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:52:52 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: EricSmith@windsor.com Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Eric V. Smith" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5 Content-Type: text X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'm using Pine 3.96 on FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE talking to a Microsoft Exchange 5.5 machine. My problem is that when I attach to my Exchange inbox using IMAP, the mail bodies are displayed as garbage characters that contain random characters. Sometimes part of the message is displayed and the end is truncaged and/or garbage, and sometimes just garbage is displayed. The headers always look fine. This is not just a display problem, because if I forward the mail to another machine (not running Pine), it sees this garbage also. This leads me to believe that the problem is in the mail itself, and is not just a display issue. I've put a sniffer on the line to see what is being transferred back and forth from Exchange. Everything looks okay. The entire message is transmitted from Exchange with no garbage and no truncation. Still the mail doesn't show correctly in Pine. I do not have similar problem when looking at a local mailbox. Has anyone heard of this problem? Any hints as to what to try? I've looked through the archives but I could not find any information. Thanks in advance. Eric. -- Eric V. Smith | For opinion in good men is but knowledge EricSmith@windsor.com | in the making. Windsor Software Corp +----------------------------------+ John Milton http://www.windsor.com/ Windows NT, Unix, SQL Server | 1608-74 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:06:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA18219 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA16618; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:06:35 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id EAA10053; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:02:38 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id EAA41784 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:01:20 -0800 Received: from isc.lf.net (isc.LF.net [194.64.4.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA17442 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:01:13 -0800 Received: by isc.lf.net (Smail3.2.0.95/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remotehost sparclx with uucp for mx4.u.washington.edu id m0xqd7Y-000oXXC; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:01:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from lamia.delta-ii.de(really [192.9.200.142]) by mail.delta-ii.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:00:58 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jul-11) Received: (from norbert@localhost) by lamia.delta-ii.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11405; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:00:53 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 09 Jan 1998 13:00:52 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Norbert Koch To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: what In-Reply-To: =?1?Q?Johan_Sj=F6berg?='s message of "Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:15 +0200 (EET)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: =?1?Q?Johan_Sj=F6berg?= X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: viteno X-Organization: Delta Industrie Informatik GmbH X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >>>On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:15 +0200 (EET), =?1?Q?Johan_Sj=F6berg?= said: Hi, first of all ... please have a look at your slightly mal formatted name :-) it's not very easy to pronounce, is it? j> How can you send a letter to another person secret Hmm, we had a discussion about this not long ago. Why in all world would you need to send a letter to someone secret. Btw, what do you mean, when you write secret? l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:44:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA19565 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA27862; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:43:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id FAA12816; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:39:21 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id FAA11154 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:38:10 -0800 Received: from green.indy.net (green.indy.net [199.3.65.18]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA00158 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:38:09 -0800 Received: from indy4.indy.net (root@indy4.indy.net [199.3.65.4]) by green.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA09158 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (pfarabee@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by indy4.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA08312 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:38:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:38:33 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Noone Special To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Sug (ID Y777J): (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: pfarabee@indy4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > On Windows systems it should be possible to get them back using > undelete, but I'm absolutely the wrong person to answer this :-) Well.. unless she's running WinBlows 95 (no undelete unless you can find one on the net somewhere.. if you do, lemme know ;) 95 has the recycle bin, but that is Windows specific. If you delete a file any other way than "moving it to the recycle bin".. it's GONE Pat From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:55:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA19993 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA28702; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:55:49 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id GAA50330; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:51:29 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id GAA44256 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:48:54 -0800 Received: from beacon.eastern.edu (BEACON.EASTERN.EDU [204.78.0.198]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id GAA03280 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:48:49 -0800 Received: from jcarpent ([204.78.2.206]) by beacon.eastern.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09930; Fri, 9 Jan 98 09:43:14 EST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980109145306.009953bc@beacon.eastern.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:53:06 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Carpenter To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: jcarpent@beacon.eastern.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN At 10:41 AM 1/9/98 +0000, Mike Brudenell wrote: >Rather than going the whole hog and turning the list into a moderated one >(ie, have every article vetted by a human before passing on to the list at >large) how about converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only >subscribers can post to it? Then people who haven't subscribed but try to >post would get an error message back telling them that the list is a >closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) what the list >is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. IMHO: bravo, ditto, etc! Jim Carpenter Manager of Student Information Systems Eastern College Saint Davids, PA From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:34:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA20443 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA19261; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:34:48 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id HAA17769; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:29:32 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id HAA21454 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:27:21 -0800 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.us.ikom.net (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA04095 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:27:20 -0800 Received: by BKB01-IMS-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:27:19 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:27:08 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Everett, Marty" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: RE: Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-To: Pine Discussion Forum , "'Eric V. Smith'" X-Cc: "Wyant, Rich" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have seen this problem here also. What I found is the it is a problem word mail on exchange client side. If I create a message from exchange client using the default editor ( NOT WORD or what is called WORD MAIL ) then the message and send it then check the message with pine looks fine. If I use WORD MAIL on the exchange client then send it and check it with pine I have trash at the end of the message. I think this is because WORD MAIL is not ending the document correctly. But I am still working on it. Can you run a test like this a see if you find the same thing. Also can anyone tell me what to look for in the format of the mail message to find out what WORD MAIL might be doing wrong in the email message format. If I can find that then I think I can get Microsloth to look at it. Thanks Marty ---------- From: Eric V. Smith[SMTP:EricSmith@windsor.com] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:53 AM To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5 I'm using Pine 3.96 on FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE talking to a Microsoft Exchange 5.5 machine. My problem is that when I attach to my Exchange inbox using IMAP, the mail bodies are displayed as garbage characters that contain random characters. Sometimes part of the message is displayed and the end is truncaged and/or garbage, and sometimes just garbage is displayed. The headers always look fine. This is not just a display problem, because if I forward the mail to another machine (not running Pine), it sees this garbage also. This leads me to believe that the problem is in the mail itself, and is not just a display issue. I've put a sniffer on the line to see what is being transferred back and forth from Exchange. Everything looks okay. The entire message is transmitted from Exchange with no garbage and no truncation. Still the mail doesn't show correctly in Pine. I do not have similar problem when looking at a local mailbox. Has anyone heard of this problem? Any hints as to what to try? I've looked through the archives but I could not find any information. Thanks in advance. Eric. -- Eric V. Smith | For opinion in good men is but knowledge EricSmith@windsor.com | in the making. Windsor Software Corp +----------------------------------+ John Milton http://www.windsor.com/ Windows NT, Unix, SQL Server | 1608-74 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:34:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA21305 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA20398; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:34:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA21394; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:30:20 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA29218 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:28:58 -0800 Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA00919 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:28:56 -0800 Received: from gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca (gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.98.13]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA31562 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:28:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (maldridg@localhost) by gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA54284 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:28:53 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:28:53 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lea To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: what In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Pine Information List X-Sender: maldridg@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, [1] Johan Sj=F6berg wrote: > How can you send a letter to another person secret Do it very quietly. Re closing the list to subscribers only: I'm probably wrong and too tired to think straight anyhow, but just a sec - I thought that one of the main reasons we have such a problem with off-topic posts on the mailing list is that the pine newsgroup gateways posts to list. Is that right? I probably explained it wrong, but basically I thought there was some sort of transfer between the two entities. If we stopped the newsgroup-to-mailing-list flow, wouldn't that fix the problem? Lea From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA21548 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA00994; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:23 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA26396; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:44 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA29078 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:41:14 -0800 Received: from bramber.windsor.com (bramber.windsor.com [199.181.96.54]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id IAA01869 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:41:01 -0800 Received: (from erics@localhost) by bramber.windsor.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA04674; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:40:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199801091640.LAA04674@bramber.windsor.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:40:49 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: EricSmith@windsor.com Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Eric V. Smith" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5 In-Reply-To: from "Everett, Marty" at Jan 9, 98 10:27:08 am Content-Type: text X-To: MEverett@IKON.com (Everett, Marty) X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I get the problem even when I create the mail by telnetting into the smtp port on the mail server and typing in a straight ASCII message. My particular problem doesn't depend on the type of client being used. Eric. Everett, Marty wrote: > > I have seen this problem here also. What I found is the it is a problem > word mail on exchange client side. If I create a message from exchange > client using the default editor ( NOT WORD or what is called WORD MAIL ) > then the message and send it then check the message with pine looks > fine. If I use WORD MAIL on the exchange client then send it and check > it with pine I have trash at the end of the message. I think this is > because WORD MAIL is not ending the document correctly. But I am still > working on it. Can you run a test like this a see if you find the same > thing. > > Also can anyone tell me what to look for in the format of the mail > message to find out what WORD MAIL might be doing wrong in the email > message format. If I can find that then I think I can get Microsloth to > look at it. > > Thanks Marty > > ---------- > From: Eric V. Smith[SMTP:EricSmith@windsor.com] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:53 AM > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5 > > I'm using Pine 3.96 on FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE talking to a > Microsoft > Exchange 5.5 machine. > > My problem is that when I attach to my Exchange inbox using > IMAP, > the mail bodies are displayed as garbage characters that contain > random characters. Sometimes part of the message is displayed > and the end is truncaged and/or garbage, and sometimes just > garbage > is displayed. The headers always look fine. > > This is not just a display problem, because if I forward the > mail > to another machine (not running Pine), it sees this garbage > also. > This leads me to believe that the problem is in the mail itself, > and is not just a display issue. > > I've put a sniffer on the line to see what is being transferred > back and forth from Exchange. Everything looks okay. The > entire > message is transmitted from Exchange with no garbage and no > truncation. Still the mail doesn't show correctly in Pine. > > I do not have similar problem when looking at a local mailbox. > > Has anyone heard of this problem? Any hints as to what to try? > I've looked through the archives but I could not find any > information. > > Thanks in advance. > > Eric. > > -- > Eric V. Smith | For opinion in good men is but > knowledge > EricSmith@windsor.com | in the making. > Windsor Software Corp +----------------------------------+ > John Milton > http://www.windsor.com/ Windows NT, Unix, SQL Server | > 1608-74 > > -- Eric V. Smith | For opinion in good men is but knowledge EricSmith@windsor.com | in the making. Windsor Software Corp +----------------------------------+ John Milton http://www.windsor.com/ Windows NT, Unix, SQL Server | 1608-74 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:53:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA21584 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA01120; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:53:41 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA41858; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:31 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA39328 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:46 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA11350 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21408 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:43:39 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:43:39 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Norbert Koch >Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:45:37 +0100 >On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000 (GMT), Mike Brudenell >said: >>Then people who haven't subscribed but try to post would get an error message >>back telling them that the list is a closed one, and presumably this could go >>on to explain (a) what the list is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. >The suggestion sounds quite good to me ... the only problem might be, imo, >that point (b) only delays the emergence of off-topic mails, but it's worth a >try. Point (a) is *very* interesting, since this mailing-list has been set up >in order to separate more technically based questions on pine from FAQs that >are to be posted to comp.mail.whine (oops :-). First, however, the explanation must be given on every Web page in the archives that has a mailto: URL. This is where the irrelevant questions originate from. Does anyone want to admit to being the listowner or the Webmaster? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:54:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA21630 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA20802; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:54:30 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA23168; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:49:49 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA37134 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:47:38 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA02448 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:47:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21439 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:46:36 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:46:36 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: mail to news gateway (was: what) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Lea >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:28:53 -0700 (MST) >I thought that one of the main reasons we have such a problem with off-topic >posts on the mailing list is that the pine newsgroup gateways posts to list. The gateway was eliminated several months ago. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA22168 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA01506; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:09 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA27341; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:51:45 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA41216 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:50:15 -0800 Received: from pump2.york.ac.uk (pump2.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.12]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA10613 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:50:11 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk (pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.6]) by pump2.york.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA16509; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:49:59 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:49:58 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mike Brudenell To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: what In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Lea X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN It was indeed bi-directionally gatewayed to comp.mail.pine for quite a long time. However the gatewaying broke and nobody noticed for 2-3 months. They then sought opinion on the List whether the gateway should be re-established and the result was, if memory serves, that it shouldn't be. The idea was, I think, that comp.mail.pine would be more newbie-question-ish whilst pine-info focussed more on discussing ways of improving and devloping Pine. Mark Crispin/David Miller/Another Pine Team Entity... care to comment? -- Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ * Unsolicited commercial e-mail is NOT welcome at this e-mail address. * On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lea wrote: > Re closing the list to subscribers only: I'm probably wrong and > too tired to think straight anyhow, but just a sec - I thought > that one of the main reasons we have such a problem with > off-topic posts on the mailing list is that the pine newsgroup > gateways posts to list. Is that right? I probably explained it > wrong, but basically I thought there was some sort of transfer > between the two entities. If we stopped the > newsgroup-to-mailing-list flow, wouldn't that fix the problem? > > Lea From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:44:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA22966 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA22147; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:44:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id JAA01146; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:36:09 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA37734 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:34:31 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA06849 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:34:27 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (skramer@localhost) by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id JAA19156 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:34:25 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:34:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stefan Kramer To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN In order to hopefully cut down somewhat on that phenomenon of people performing searches in WWW indexes, retrieving pages from the pine-info (converted-to-HTML) archives as a result, and then writing to the list on non-Pine topics, I have added a blurb to the HTML files for individual messages and listings of messages. Also, the individual-message HTML files now contain the element: which should eventually reduce the presence of pine-info postings in WWW indexes. All this is in effect only for the current month's (Jan. '98) messages now, and will be for the entire archives starting early next month. With luck, that will help a bit with reducing irrelevant posts. ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/ Computing & Communications University of Washington ------------------------------------------------------------ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:54:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA23204 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA02657; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:54:21 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id JAA37650; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:45:04 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA24504 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:43:31 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA07693 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:43:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22101 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:42:31 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:42:31 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Stefan Kramer >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:34:25 -0800 (PST) >In order to hopefully cut down somewhat on that phenomenon of people >performing searches in WWW indexes, retrieving pages from the pine-info >(converted-to-HTML) archives as a result, and then writing to the list on >non-Pine topics, I have added a blurb to the HTML files for individual >messages and listings of messages. What will the blurb say? Legxl nxme chxnge has now been asked so many times, it should be a FAQ. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:08:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA23529 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA22756; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:08:29 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA03445; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:03:11 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA27960 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:01:45 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA18191 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:01:44 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (skramer@localhost) by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id KAA19815; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:01:33 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Stefan Kramer Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stefan Kramer To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > .... > What will the blurb say? > .... Take a look at any page under http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1998.01/ -- if it's not noticeable enough, I could make it ?! ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/ Computing & Communications University of Washington ------------------------------------------------------------ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:27:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA23890 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA23187; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA24470; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:21:07 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA42582 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:20:00 -0800 Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (mailhost2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA05122 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:19:58 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.11) with SMTP id KAA11849; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:19:50 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:19:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: David L Miller To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: what In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mike Brudenell X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Mike Brudenell wrote: > It was indeed bi-directionally gatewayed to comp.mail.pine for quite a > long time. However the gatewaying broke and nobody noticed for 2-3 > months. > > They then sought opinion on the List whether the gateway should be > re-established and the result was, if memory serves, that it shouldn't be. > Yup. Another factor was that no-one stepped forward as a volunteer to re-establish and maintain the gateway. > The idea was, I think, that comp.mail.pine would be more > newbie-question-ish whilst pine-info focussed more on discussing ways of > improving and devloping Pine. That was the hope, though I haven't really seen much shift in that direction :-( We would love to restrict pine-info postings to subscribers, but there are just too many pointers to it floating around. When/if Listproc can generate a satisfactory "bounce" message for non-subscribers, we may consider the restriction. BTW, we're also considering a way to allow posting to comp.mail.pine through the (re-designed) Bug Report screen. -- David L. Miller | The opposite of a correct Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | statement is a false statement. Box 354841, University of Washington | The opposite of a profound truth 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA | may well be another profound Phone: (206)685-6240 FAX: (206)685-4045 | truth. -- Niels Bohr From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:02:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA24814 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA24118; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:02:37 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA04048; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:57:21 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA41820 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:55:45 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA14949 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0800 Received: from ashawna.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15120; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:55:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:54:22 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: what In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Lea X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lea wrote: > Re closing the list to subscribers only: I'm probably wrong and > too tired to think straight anyhow, but just a sec - I thought > that one of the main reasons we have such a problem with > off-topic posts on the mailing list is that the pine newsgroup > gateways posts to list. Is that right? I probably explained it > wrong, but basically I thought there was some sort of transfer > between the two entities. If we stopped the > newsgroup-to-mailing-list flow, wouldn't that fix the problem? more like the webtraffic-to-mailing-list flow--make them either type in the email address of the list, or else make the only place one can get to it on a page which says in big letters "Pine is an email program. This is a list for questions about pine. Not anything else." it might help From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:09:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA24977 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA24283; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:09:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA04855; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:03:50 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA44074 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:59:15 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA15288 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:59:12 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip32.irvine.quik.com [207.38.102.32]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA47014; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:57:45 GMT Message-Id: <004101bd1ced$0e5face0$206626cf@ops_svr> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:33:15 -0000 Reply-To: "Colin J. Raven" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" , "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN OK, let's get hold of the list owner, and take this to the next step. Otherwise we'll continue to endure the same blistering "asbestos gloves" nonsense concerning irrelevant posts and I for one would rather help fix it, than complain about it, and have to read Robin's "insult du jour" which bless his heart...gets real old after a while. I don't mind moderating a new list, I just want the problem to go away by proactive means. I welcome any suggestions you can come up with. I asked two people who mis-posted (after *politely* telling them where they had posted to, and why it/we couldn't help 'em) to send me URL's of any *actual" resource on the name change thig. If I can get hold of those URL(s) I'll do up a recipe in procmail to send out an autoresponse that will take care of those posts. In the meantime, I wish I knew that anyone from the University actually read anything from the lists! >I don't know who the Webmaster is, and who the list-owner is. The Webmaster >would need to change the archives to clearly give a description of pine on any >Web page that has a mailto: URL. I got a letter today on "lxgal nxme chxnge". From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:10:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA24940 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:10:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA04430; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:09:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA04561; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:01:05 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA39224 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:58:54 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA23246 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:58:49 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip32.irvine.quik.com [207.38.102.32]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA53140; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:57:43 GMT Message-Id: <004001bd1ced$0d4fc380$206626cf@ops_svr> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:54 -0000 Reply-To: "Colin J. Raven" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Messages not delivered MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: , "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Carolyn; You should immediately contact your *local* systems administrator about this. Members of this list could not render any assistance whatsoever, it's a problem which must be resolved within your network locally, there are a dozen possible reasons that this could be happening, and none of us could troubleshoot your local network. Sorry we couldn't be of more help to you and Good Luck! -Colin -----Original Message----- From: wl_csmith@SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 3:01 AM Subject: Messages not delivered > > >For the past four days, I have not been receiving all my e-mail. Only >part of the messages are getting through. I've sent myself test messages >as well as messages to a group. These are not getting through. Messages >to certain individuals are being delivered. Any suggestions? > >Carolyn Smith > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:15:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA25930 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA05844; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:15:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA14041; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:10:34 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA33804 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:08:38 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA00831 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:08:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23826 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:07:36 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:07:36 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Stefan Kramer >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) >Take a look at any page under >http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1998.01/ That should be fine. >if it's not noticeable enough, I could make it ?! No, make it activate the mallet-attached-to-ANSI. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA26538 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA26337; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:13 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA41826; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:43:23 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA39290 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:42:10 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.201]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA03206 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:42:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (skramer@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id MAA28026 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:42:06 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:42:04 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Stefan Kramer Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stefan Kramer To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Since at least some irrelevant posts seem to come to the list via people clicking on the links on the individual messages' WWW pages in the archives, those will also no longer be generated -- for the current month starting tomorrow, for the other months starting early next month. ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/ Computing & Communications University of Washington ------------------------------------------------------------ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:23:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id NAA27542 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id NAA07311; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:23:51 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id NAA42788; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:45 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id NAA36850 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:36 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.82.251.43]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id NAA21923 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 9116 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 1998 21:15:30 -0000 Received: from 199.238.226.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:15:30 PST Message-Id: <19980109211530.9115.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:15:30 PST Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Roberto Jauregui" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: help /// Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [199.238.226.1] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN okay i'm new using pine ..... :) and i need some help, i try to make some filtering file ! So i did this ?..... ~/mail/ ~/mail/filtering/ how can i make this work ...( ~/mail/filtering/ ) i need to put something inside the file ( filtering ) like ( e-mails ) that i not wanna can someone tell me what's next ..... thanks in advance .... Life is Short @ just be you self ... bi974r@hotmail.com www.scn.org/news/ Java is not JavaScript @ (t) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:14:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA28974 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA08678; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:14:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA21774; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:09:01 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA03420 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:07:53 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA10785 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:07:49 -0800 Received: from ashawna.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19713; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:08:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:06:54 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Drachen Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: help /// In-Reply-To: <19980109211530.9115.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Roberto Jauregui X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN there's some nice info about it at http://www.ii.com/internet/faqs/launchers/mail/filtering-faq/ This doesn't work if you're using IMAP..and that's a solution that I'm working on in my (never copious) free time. Vinnie On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Roberto Jauregui wrote: > okay i'm new using pine ..... :) > and i need some help, i try to make some filtering file ! So i did this > ?..... > ~/mail/ > ~/mail/filtering/ > how can i make this work ...( ~/mail/filtering/ ) > i need to put something inside the file ( filtering ) like ( e-mails ) > that i not wanna > can someone tell me what's next ..... > thanks in advance .... > Life is Short @ just be you self ... > bi974r@hotmail.com > www.scn.org/news/ > Java is not JavaScript > @ (t) > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:51:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA00856 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA13224; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:51:26 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA07949; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:48:29 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA41196 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:47:12 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA11729 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:47:11 -0800 Received: from ds11.acs.ucalgary.ca (root@ds11.acs.ucalgary.ca [136.159.244.11]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id RAA03307 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:47:08 -0800 Received: by acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29862; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:46:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9801100146.AA29862@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 18:46:17 MST Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Connie Yuen" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN To Pine... I would like to have more than 1 plan (or project) for my account... I currently have 1... but... I would like to have more than one so that whenever I log in... I can retrieve the saved plans (projects)... I would like to know how I can save more than 1 plan (or project) in a file... and how to retrieve it??/ Thank you for your time... From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:56:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA02449 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA15421; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:56:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id UAA14897; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:54:11 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id UAA33692 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:51:06 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com (ip129179-17-10.a.cdc.com [129.179.17.10]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id UAA20050 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:51:04 -0800 Received: from calvin.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:49:40 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:49:40 +0800 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Edward M Greshko To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: what In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: =?1?Q?Johan_Sj=F6berg?= X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, [1] Johan Sj=F6berg wrote: > How can you send a letter to another person secret By "secret" do you mean that only the intended receipient can read it? There are various methods for doing this. However, both ends need to=20 support the method being used. I use PGP for this purpose. http://www.pgp.com --=20 Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:42:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA11131 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA25252; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:42:08 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA07209; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:37:23 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA43364 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:34:57 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA03548 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:34:56 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA48748 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:33:59 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:33:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Moderating Newbie List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Group X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Ok,U/Wash has kindly modified their web page(s) to avoid getting hits on "legal name change" to this list, does anyone still feel that a separate moderated list should exist in order to prune new posings? Is there a concensus on this? -Colin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:04:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA20082 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA05504; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:04:25 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA02671; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:01:19 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA38260 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:00:10 -0800 Received: from shivax.cac.washington.edu (3031@shivax.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.4]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA11631 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:00:08 -0800 Received: (from skramer@localhost) by shivax.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) id DAA23557 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:00:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199801111100.DAA23557@shivax.cac.washington.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:00:06 -0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: WHERE TO FIND INFORMATION ABOUT PINE X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to aid readers in finding information about Pine. Before sending questions to the mailing list, please consult these resources: The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive help. Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/ - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form. - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[] The messages from this mailing list are archived. These archives can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ (includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information on how to subscribe to this mailing list) - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/pine-info/. - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[] Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine newsgroup. If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ or ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other organizations.) Sun Jan 11 03:00:06 PST 1998 ----------------------------------- Pine development and support team University of Washington Computing & Communications ----------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:29:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA20086 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA05781; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:29:30 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA00531; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:27:17 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA36726 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:26:46 -0800 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA18545 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:26:45 -0800 Received: from alpha.computers.org (ssdipola@slip139-92-33-100.lju.si.ibm.net [139.92.33.100]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA55914 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:26:35 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:28:50 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Iztok Polanic To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: News! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ssdipola@alpha.computers.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello !!! I use newsfetch to access my news. It works perfectly with Pine. But when i want to replay to some news, then pine tries to lookup all news on server. Can be this somehow dissabled and be still able sending news??? Bye. xxxxxx ////// xx xx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\ xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | xx xx \-----------------------------------------/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:12:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA00807 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA10662; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:00:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA09047; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:57:33 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA34310 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:56:12 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA16908 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:56:10 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13558 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:55:12 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:55:11 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: News! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Group X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Go to the main menu screen of Pine, select "S" (setup) "C" (Configure) and tab down to "nntp server" It should be set to which will cause Pine to ignore the existence of a news server. BTW, before doing that, you might also check out Pine's newsgroup feature set. It's nicely integrated with the mail client, and is usually a fast and easy newsreader to use. That however, is just IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) others may have religous fervor concerning the newsreader you should use. At the end of the day, it's what suits *you* best that decides the issue. You can't beat the simplicity of Pine's newsreader though. Good Luck! -Colin > I use newsfetch to access my news. It works perfectly with Pine. But when > i want to replay to some news, then pine tries to lookup all news on > server. Can be this somehow dissabled and be still able sending news??? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:29:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA01374 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA11880; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:29:46 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA13141; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:27:08 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA50162 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:25:30 -0800 Received: from pcug.org.au (supreme.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.34]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA13123 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:25:28 -0800 Received: from supreme (supreme [203.10.76.34]) by pcug.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7/TIP-1.12) with SMTP id HAA16783; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:25:21 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:25:18 +1100 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Felix Karpfen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: File transfer problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: felkarp@supreme X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This request for help relates not to a problem experienced with the Pine program, but with an associated program which also needs to work in order to use all the features available by the Pine program. I take the liberty to send it to this newsgroup, because the local Service Provider has not been able to help and I do not know where else to send it. The relevant associated program is concerned with transferring files between my `home' directory use by the Pine program and the hard drive of my PC. This program has two available routines - one (sz) for moving files from the Pine `home' directory to my PC and the second (rz) for moving files from my PC to my Pine `home' directory. When either routine is invoked, the routine requests an argument and a file name but from that point the behaviour is different. With the `sz' routine, the name of the file to be transferred to the PC is sufficient for the transfer to occur. However, when the `rz' routine without an argument is invoked and an attempt is made to use the Communication Program's `send routine' (which works smoothly with the local Bulletin Board), the appropriate `send screen' is displayed but no file transfer occurs. From this, I presume that the argument requested by the rz routine is not an optional extra. The attached help screen lists 10 different arguments that can be used with the `rz' routine. However, the screen gives no information about the circumstances in which such use would be appropriate. I am reluctant to take a `trial-and-error' approach in case I louse up my `home' directory. I am therefore trying my luck by sending a request for help to this newsgroup in the hope that someone will either recognise and have an answer to the problem or will be able to tell me where this inquiry should be sent to in order to get an answer. I might add that I have no problems in preparing a text offline, copying the text to the Windows' clipboard and then pasting it into the appropriate area when in Pine's Message Composer. However, if I wanted to send two different Email messages in the same session, then I would be history. Thank you in advance to anyone who responds to this request for help. Felix Karpfen From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA01691 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA12262; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:12 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA16775; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:55:13 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA35840 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:54:08 -0800 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA29609 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:54:06 -0800 Received: from alpha.computers.org (ssdipola@slip139-92-33-73.lju.si.ibm.net [139.92.33.73]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA33882; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:54:00 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:56:14 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Iztok Polanic To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: News! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Colin J. Raven" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ssdipola@alpha.computers.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello !!! If I do that then i can't post new to usenet!!! What about that :] Bye. On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > Go to the main menu screen of Pine, select "S" (setup) "C" (Configure) and > tab down to "nntp server" > It should be set to which will cause Pine to ignore the > existence of a news server. > BTW, before doing that, you might also check out Pine's newsgroup feature > set. It's nicely integrated with the mail client, and is usually a fast > and easy newsreader to use. That however, is just IMHO (In My Humble > Opinion) others may have religous fervor concerning the newsreader you > should use. At the end of the day, it's what suits *you* best that decides > the issue. You can't beat the simplicity of Pine's newsreader though. > Good Luck! > -Colin > > > I use newsfetch to access my news. It works perfectly with Pine. But when > > i want to replay to some news, then pine tries to lookup all news on > > server. Can be this somehow dissabled and be still able sending news??? > > > xxxxxx ////// xx xx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\ xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | xx xx \-----------------------------------------/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:37:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA02626 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA04030; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:37:01 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA21731; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:33:52 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA36002 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:32:45 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA04280 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:32:45 -0800 Received: from mis.USIU.AC.KE (AfOL-Gateway.africaonline.com [199.103.213.124]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA13333 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:32:39 -0800 Received: from usiu.ac.ke (rvalli@usiu.ac.ke [10.176.100.249]) by mis.USIU.AC.KE (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id BAA00445 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:35:22 +0300 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:51:36 +0300 (EAT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mujtaba H.R. Valli" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:05:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA02878 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA13769; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:05:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA23091; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:02:58 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA13480 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:01:45 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id PAA05364 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:01:42 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 12 Jan 98 00:01:18 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00651; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:17:13 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 12 Jan 1998 00:17:13 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: News! In-Reply-To: Iztok Polanic's message of "Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:56:14 +0100 (MET)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Iztok Polanic X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> Iztok Polanic writes: > Hello !!! If I do that then i can't post new to usenet!!! What > about that :] That's pretty cool until you've learnt to crop your quotes. Maybe you'd like to rm /usr/bin/sendmail, too? Robin "SCNR" Socha -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University If Windows 95 were your car, you'd never get anywhere. You'd be too busy breaking down. (Brian Knox) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:33:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA04175 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA15541; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:33:22 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA25315; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:31:04 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA45810 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:29:05 -0800 Received: from results.resultsp.com.mx (rodolfo@[140.148.120.1]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id RAA12643 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:29:03 -0800 Received: from localhost (rodolfo@localhost) by results.resultsp.com.mx (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA30654 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:29:27 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:29:26 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Pico's secure mode (?) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask it, but any help will be appreciated: how can I activate the "secure mode" of Pico?. I've been looking the source code, and I found some #define's about this, but I don't know what to do with them... Thanks. Rodolfo. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:40:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA04226 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA15651; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:40:23 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id RAA28416; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:38:12 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id RAA43288 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:36:17 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA26949 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:36:16 -0800 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (mrin39.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.149]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id RAA15584 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:36:14 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA27293 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:35:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <980111203541_2017101650@mrin39.mx> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:35:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: DRudi9140@aol.com To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Research X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? rudi@nevada.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:31:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA06032 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA08894; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:31:51 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA04602; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:27:47 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA23450 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:24:38 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA24166 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:24:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23476 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:23:42 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:23:42 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Moderating Newbie List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: "Colin J. Raven" >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:33:58 -0800 (PST) >Ok,U/Wash has kindly modified their web page(s) to avoid getting >hits on "legal name change" to this list, does anyone still feel that a >separate moderated list should exist in order to prune new posings? >Is there a concensus on this? I'm still in favor of moderating nonsubscribers and new subscribers, but just till they ask a question related to pine. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA06040 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA08909; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:44 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA06877; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:30:41 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA34392 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:28:11 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA08420 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:28:08 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23504 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:27:12 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:27:12 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Research In-Reply-To: <980111203541_2017101650@mrin39.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: DRudi9140@aol.com >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:35:43 -0500 (EST) >Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? We can help. Please post your credit card number, and we'll send you somewhere. But first, we'll just need to check it out to see if it'll meet your needs. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:41:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA06119 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id VAA09025; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:41:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA04994; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:39:33 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA44264 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:37:40 -0800 Received: from mole (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id VAA22467 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:37:40 -0800 Received: from slip-3.slip.net [207.171.193.17] (batchman) by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xrcZ3-0000qe-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:37:33 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:37:34 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Shoeless in San Jose To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Research In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: batchman@slip-3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > >From: DRudi9140@aol.com > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:35:43 -0500 (EST) > > >Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? > > We can help. Please post your credit card number, and we'll send you > somewhere. But first, we'll just need to check it out to see if it'll > meet your needs. Good one...let me know a day in advance so I can get packed! ;) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:27:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA06502 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA18985; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:27:20 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA09409; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:25:09 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA40140 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:23:18 -0800 Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (root@schilling.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA17834 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:23:18 -0800 Received: from catbert.ucdavis.edu (root@catbert.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.190]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.11.23) with ESMTP id WAA25160 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.23) with SMTP id WAA01301 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:23:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:22:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Shafinah Rosauro Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Shafinah Rosauro To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: how do you convert pine addressess to eudora? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ez072620@catbert.ucdavis.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear all, I was wondering how I can convert my pine addies to eudora format, as I am cancelling this shell account on the 14th. I saw the message from Svein skjaeveland (Convert Pine Addressbook to Eudora Nicknames (addresses) 1/17/96) but his site at http://www.interguru.com/pineudo.html seems to be down. If any of you could help me out with this asap, it would be much appreciated. Thank you! Shafinah Rosauro please mail to: shafinah@sprynet.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:40:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA06614 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA09795; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:40:06 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA09706; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:37:34 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA48834 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:35:38 -0800 Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (root@schilling.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA18468 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:35:35 -0800 Received: from catbert.ucdavis.edu (catbert.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.190]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.11.23) with ESMTP id WAA27483 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.23) with SMTP id WAA02824 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:34:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:34:09 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Shafinah Rosauro To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: correction on how do you convert pine addressess to eudora? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ez072620@catbert.ucdavis.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear all: well I found the site; ".../pineeudo.html" was misspelled in mr. skjaeveland's message. If you have a easier way to convert addresses, please tell me!!! hehe thanks again Shafinah@sprynet.com --------------------------addendum to:--------------------------------- Dear all, I was wondering how I can convert my pine addies to eudora format, as I am cancelling this shell account on the 14th. I saw the message from Svein skjaeveland (Convert Pine Addressbook to Eudora Nicknames (addresses) 1/17/96) but his site at http://www.interguru.com/pineudo.html seems to be down. If any of you could help me out with this asap, it would be much appreciated. Thank you! Shafinah Rosauro please mail to: shafinah@sprynet.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:51:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA06695 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA09918; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:51:46 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA10260; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:49:14 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA29738 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:46:40 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA28284 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:46:37 -0800 Received: from ashawna.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21450; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:45:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:43:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: News! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Iztok Polanic X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN simply don't use newsfetch. pine can grab news on its own. use the D key to "delete" things you read that you don't want to read again (it marks it as read, and does not delete it from the server. it could be clearer about that for newbies, but :) ) just keep it set up as it is, just don't use newsfetch simple as that :) Vinnie On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Iztok Polanic wrote: > Hello !!! > > If I do that then i can't post new to usenet!!! What about that :] > > Bye. > > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > > > Go to the main menu screen of Pine, select "S" (setup) "C" (Configure) and > > tab down to "nntp server" > > It should be set to which will cause Pine to ignore the > > existence of a news server. > > BTW, before doing that, you might also check out Pine's newsgroup feature > > set. It's nicely integrated with the mail client, and is usually a fast > > and easy newsreader to use. That however, is just IMHO (In My Humble > > Opinion) others may have religous fervor concerning the newsreader you > > should use. At the end of the day, it's what suits *you* best that decides > > the issue. You can't beat the simplicity of Pine's newsreader though. > > Good Luck! > > -Colin > > > > > I use newsfetch to access my news. It works perfectly with Pine. But when > > > i want to replay to some news, then pine tries to lookup all news on > > > server. Can be this somehow dissabled and be still able sending news??? > > > > > > > > xxxxxx ////// > xx xx ( o o ) > xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\ > xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | > xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | > xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | > xx xx \-----------------------------------------/ > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:54:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA06717 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA19314; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:53:57 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA08044; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:51:57 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA40132 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:47:29 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA28325 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:47:28 -0800 Received: from ashawna.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21741; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:48:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:46:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Research In-Reply-To: <980111203541_2017101650@mrin39.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: DRudi9140@aol.com X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN you don't. use lynx newbies! :) On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 DRudi9140@aol.com wrote: > Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? > rudi@nevada.edu > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:04:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA11634 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA23851; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:04:49 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id EAA16302; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:58:59 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id EAA10462 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:56:28 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA03781 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:56:28 -0800 Received: from mozcom.com (mozcom.com [202.47.132.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id EAA23737 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:56:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (fscbrd@localhost) by mozcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA17825 for <"pine-info@cac.washington.edu"@mozcom.com>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:56:22 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:56:22 +0800 (HKT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Brother Rafe S Donato FSC To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: unclear message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu"@mozcom.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I keep getting message that my file is full. I am sure it is not and just to make sure, I deleted a lot of message in my IN box. BROTHER RAFE S DONATO, FSC "fscbrd@lasalipa@edu.ph" to seek peace persistenly and courageously" DE LA SALLE LIPA BATANGAS PHILIPPINES PHONE: 63)43)756-3118(office hours); 63)43)756-1849 Connecting all departments; FAX: (63 43)756-3117;Cellular 0917-5040-531 http://www.lasalipa.edu.ph From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:34:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA11849 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA24189; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:34:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id FAA19683; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:29:55 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id FAA49294 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:27:41 -0800 Received: from green.indy.net (green.indy.net [199.3.65.18]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA31187 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:27:40 -0800 Received: from indy4.indy.net (root@indy4.indy.net [199.3.65.4]) by green.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA29639; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (pfarabee@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by indy4.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA02324; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:28:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:28:02 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Noone Special To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Research In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Drachen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: pfarabee@indy4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN It has been my experience that only newbies tend to use the word "newbies" alot :P~ Pat On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > > you don't. use lynx > newbies! :) > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 DRudi9140@aol.com wrote: > > > Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? > > rudi@nevada.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:45:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA12317 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA15642; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:44:59 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id GAA21460; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:39:18 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id GAA30248 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:36:20 -0800 Received: from mail.wittenberg.edu (mail.Wittenberg.EDU [136.227.1.15]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA28576 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:36:18 -0800 Received: from reci52a (Reci52a.Wittenberg.EDU [136.227.128.6]) by mail.wittenberg.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13633 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:36:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <34BA2A8D.38D81D12@wittenberg.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:37:01 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Gene Harvey To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Rerouting Incoming mail to other folders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello: I have an alias e-mail address and would like to automate the moving of incoming e-mail to that alias from the INBOX directly and into a folder with that alias name. Has anyone done something like this? How? Thanks Gene Harvey gharvey@wittenberg.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:54:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA12440 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA15787; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:54:12 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id GAA19757; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:48:25 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id GAA25680 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:45:46 -0800 Received: from turing.mathworks.com (turing.mathworks.com [144.212.100.12]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA01924 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:45:45 -0800 Received: from gamara.mathworks.com (gamara [144.212.12.22]) by turing.mathworks.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16466; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cby@localhost) by gamara.mathworks.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA07618; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:45:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:45:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Caroline Brossi Yates To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: what In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mike Brudenell X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: gamara.mathworks.com: cby owned process doing -bs X-Sender: cby@gamara X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Mike Brudenell wrote: > The idea was, I think, that comp.mail.pine would be more > newbie-question-ish whilst pine-info focussed more on discussing ways of > improving and devloping Pine. If you want to remove newbie questions from this list, try removing the suggestion on the Pine Web page that people should email their questions to this list. Or at least state your above description on the Pine web page. my ta'pence... -Caroline From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:58:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA12494 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA25284; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:58:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id GAA19981; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:53:49 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id GAA43082 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:51:44 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA06743 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:51:42 -0800 Received: from studserv.uni-leipzig.de (studserv.uni-leipzig.de [139.18.1.15]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id GAA25190 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:51:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (soz89abk@localhost) by studserv.uni-leipzig.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA36508 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:27 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:27 +0100 (MEZ) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: soz89abk@studserv.uni-leipzig.de To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Bugs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Since I began using pine I have had a number of problems which I was unable to overcome eventhough I did read your mannual.I have a text in wordperfect 5.1 format more than 700,000 million byte.Question 1)how can I send this text using pine; 2)if this is not possible into what form of data should I convert to send it per pine.I shall be very much glad if you were to promptly respond to my queries. Yours Sinceryl Professor Dr.samuel Tadesse From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:49:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA13004 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA16623; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:49:09 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id HAA24354; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:41:43 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id HAA26688 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:39:25 -0800 Received: from isc.lf.net (isc.LF.net [194.64.4.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA05111 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:39:22 -0800 Received: by isc.lf.net (Smail3.2.0.95/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remotehost sparclx with uucp for mxu1.u.washington.edu id m0xrlxI-000qpqC; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:39:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from lamia.delta-ii.de(really [192.9.200.142]) by mail.delta-ii.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:39:04 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jul-11) Received: (from norbert@localhost) by lamia.delta-ii.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06901; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:39:03 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:39:03 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Norbert Koch To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Bugs In-Reply-To: soz89abk@studserv.uni-leipzig.de's message of "Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:27 +0100 (MEZ)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: soz89abk@studserv.uni-leipzig.de X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: viteno X-Organization: Delta Industrie Informatik GmbH X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >>>On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:27 +0100 (MEZ), soz89abk@studserv.uni-leipzig.de said: Hi, s> Since I began using pine I have had a number of problems which I s> was unable to overcome eventhough I did read your mannual.I have a s> text in wordperfect 5.1 format more than 700,000 million s> byte.Question 1)how can I send this text using pine; 2)if this is s> not possible into what form of data should I convert to send it s> per pine.I shall be very much glad if you were to promptly respond s> to my queries. (1) is it possible that you mixed up some numbers? You are talking about sending a file of 700 GB ... quite a story. (2) if you've tried send a mail with your document inserted into it, the sendmail agent fails (I hope, I haven't mixed up things here). So, here we go ... provided, the file is less than, let's say, 2 MB which I regard of as a reasonable size to send via email (use ftp in other cases or split the file), try to attach the file, that is Ctrl-J while you are in the header region. This converts the binary data into ASCII and sendmail (or whatever) won't complain about it. hth, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:49:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA13020 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA26153; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:49:20 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id HAA24520; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:43:55 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id HAA26834 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:40:57 -0800 Received: from turing.mathworks.com (turing.mathworks.com [144.212.100.12]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA19113 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:40:54 -0800 Received: from gamara.mathworks.com (gamara [144.212.12.22]) by turing.mathworks.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27932 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cby@localhost) by gamara.mathworks.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA07645 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:40:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:40:49 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Caroline Brossi Yates Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Caroline Brossi Yates To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: weirdness MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: gamara.mathworks.com: cby owned process doing -bs X-Sender: cby@gamara X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This is a followup to a pine weirdness I experienced recently in case anyone else runs into something similar. Pine was behaving truly sluggish at times when the user tried to save a file (it took about 30 seconds and there was no network/nfs server/imap server bogging), and I believe it was due to a large time skew between the imap server and the nfs server. (The nfs server being a Netapp Toaster whose clock battery is evidently suffering). I'm always amazed how simple some solutions turn out to be. Perhaps there is a correlation between effort and simplicity... Cheers, -Caroline unix weeny From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:57:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA13117 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA26255; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:57:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id HAA25049; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:51:34 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id HAA41970 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:48:52 -0800 Received: from mail.arch.wsu.edu (mail.arch.wsu.edu [134.121.78.80]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA03344 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:48:51 -0800 Received: from m518 (carp078026.arch.wsu.edu) by mail.arch.wsu.edu with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA021690337; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:52:17 -0800 Message-Id: <34BA3B02.2E6F@arch.wsu.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:47:14 -0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mike Mahaffy To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts & consider this... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello all, Here's a thought. How about just sending a message that reflects the following sentiment. "Wrong type of question for this forum." When the individual gets so 'MANY' responses back from the entire (lots anyway) pine group they will have figured out that 'hey, maybe this is the wrong group to ask'. This might be preferred instead of other options (no names) that have been used in the past to try to turn people away. All that does is - well - nothing. OK it might be frustrating at first but you are reading your mail anyway, aren't you??? Like this one for example... ...and as mentioned before, who has the time or really wants to moderate a list for a large group like this? Mike........... From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:19:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA13379 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:19:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA26694; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:19:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA26523; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:11:12 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA44998 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:08:40 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA07048 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:08:39 -0800 Received: from ashawna.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA25674; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:09:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:07:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Research In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Noone Special X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Or people who worked ISP tech support wa-a-a-a-a-a-ay too long :P On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Noone Special wrote: > It has been my experience that only newbies tend to use the word "newbies" > alot :P~ > > Pat > > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > > > > you don't. use lynx > > newbies! :) > > > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 DRudi9140@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? > > > rudi@nevada.edu > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:39:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA15174 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA19190; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:39:05 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id JAA48672; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:32:44 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA30274 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:29:42 -0800 Received: from studserv.uni-leipzig.de (studserv.uni-leipzig.de [139.18.1.15]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA19013 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:29:40 -0800 Received: from localhost (soz89abk@localhost) by studserv.uni-leipzig.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA100952 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:29:38 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:29:38 +0100 (MEZ) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: soz89abk@studserv.uni-leipzig.de To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Further Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Suppose the datas are in the directory path user\diss and I had liked to upload the datas so that it can be e-mailed using the pine command,what are the instructions that I should follow? Yours Sincerly Professor Dr.Samuel Tadesse From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA16809 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA21087; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:41:51 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA04160; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:36:52 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA51010 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:34:47 -0800 Received: from sakaki.communique.net (sakaki.communique.net [204.27.65.7]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA25636 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:34:36 -0800 Received: from nodon.communique.net (ppp-204-27-123-208.co.communique.net [204.27.123.208]) by sakaki.communique.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03663 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:34:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <002201bd1f88$50d6a720$c8a3070a@nodon.communique.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:31:35 -0600 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Don Allaire" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Hiding Main Menu Options from Pine users... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello: I admin a site which runs version 3.96. Is there a command line option or compile time option that would allow me to hide some of the main menu options, such as Setup and folder index? I have checked through the man pages, and checked through the configuration files without success. Thanks in advance. don. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA17722 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA01558; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:12:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA06717; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:07:54 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA18960 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:06:45 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA23950 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:06:44 -0800 Received: from ashawna.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26736; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:07:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:05:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Rerouting Incoming mail to other folders In-Reply-To: <34BA2A8D.38D81D12@wittenberg.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Gene Harvey X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN sounds like a job for procmail :) try http://www.ii.com/internet/faqs/launchers/mail/filtering-faq/ On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Gene Harvey wrote: > Hello: > > I have an alias e-mail address and would like to automate the moving of > incoming e-mail to that alias from the INBOX directly and into a folder > with that alias name. Has anyone done something like this? How? > > Thanks > Gene Harvey > gharvey@wittenberg.edu > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:22:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA17943 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA01801; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:22:14 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA09866; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:18:14 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA34536 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:16:18 -0800 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA22519 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:16:14 -0800 Received: from alpha.computers.org (ssdipola@slip139-92-33-125.lju.si.ibm.net [139.92.33.125]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA73202 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:16:10 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:18:27 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Iztok Polanic To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Problem! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ssdipola@alpha.computers.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello !!! I recenty got this in my PINE window! init: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot access parent directories What's wrong? Bye. xxxxxx ////// xx xx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\ xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | xx xx \-----------------------------------------/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:52:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA18924 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA23142; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:52:25 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA12478; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:47:48 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA49346 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:46:24 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA03008 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:46:20 -0800 Received: from dns.oklahoma.net (dns.oklahoma.net [208.2.112.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA22953 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:46:16 -0800 Received: from 208.2.116.173 (r116-173.okc.oklahoma.net [208.2.116.173]) by dns.oklahoma.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22663 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:44:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34BA73BD.163FC57C@oklahoma.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:49:20 -0600 Reply-To: buttons@oklahoma.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Cooprider To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: x-uuencode help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I recieved e-mail with attachment and needs to be decoded by x-uuencode. I have a macintosh and am on netscape 4.0 . Can you help me out. Jim Cooprider - Oklahoma City e-mail: buttons@oklahoma.net From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:15:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA19483 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA03294; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:15:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA12118; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:08:31 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA31082 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:06:38 -0800 Received: from chinet.chinet.com (ahk@chinet.chinet.com [206.158.147.18]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA14271 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:06:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA32680 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:05:34 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:05:34 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Hiding Main Menu Options from Pine users... In-Reply-To: <002201bd1f88$50d6a720$c8a3070a@nodon.communique.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Don Allaire >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:31:35 -0600 >I admin a site which runs version 3.96. Is there a command line option or >compile time option that would allow me to hide some of the main menu >options, such as Setup and folder index? I have checked through the man >pages, and checked through the configuration files without success. Check through the file called tech-notes.txt. You can fix configuration options that users cannot override. There's no need to hide Setup from users; numerous user-configurable options have no security implications. Why prevent users from changing those? What possible reason could you have for hiding the message index? How do you expect users to get conveniently from one to the next? You had better explain in greater detail about what you want to do. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:50:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA20148 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA24553; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:50:30 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA16913; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:46:16 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA45712 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:41:41 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA00930 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:41:39 -0800 Received: from onyx.southwind.net (vlu@onyx.southwind.net [206.53.103.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA04017 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:41:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (vlu@localhost) by onyx.southwind.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA11188 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:41:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:41:35 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Verney Unruh To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: printer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have been using Pine 3.95 for sometime but have never been able to get it to print for me from the Y command. I have an Epson LQ 850 printer and am able to print from the "print scrn" key. I have read and re-read your "help" message and have tried different settings but to no avail. What suggestions to do you have? Verney Unruh From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:52:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA20191 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA24599; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:52:31 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA14922; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:48:41 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA43252 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:41:51 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA00945 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:41:49 -0800 Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.177]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA24356 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:41:44 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:36:46 EST Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: UGPUG1 To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: require more info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Cc: sforker@u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have and e-mail account through pine, but I would like to access campus info at home, but I don't know how From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:46:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id NAA21581 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id NAA05645; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:46:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id NAA20711; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:42:03 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id NAA31170 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:39:01 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id NAA06480 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:39:00 -0800 Received: from tesla.esimez.ipn.mx (tesla.esimez.ipn.mx [148.204.219.60]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id NAA05488 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:38:54 -0800 Received: (from lsalinas@localhost) by tesla.esimez.ipn.mx (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA02946 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:03 -0800 Message-Id: <9801121551.ZM2944@tesla.esimez.ipn.mx> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:03 -0800 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Luis Miguel Salinas" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Pine for SGI 6.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN PLEASE I WANT TO BUILD THE LASTEST RELEASE OF PINE FOR AN SGI, RUNNING IRIX 6.2. PLEASE. Advice & suggestions appreciated AND THE OPTIONS IN THE BUILD SCRIPT. THANK YOU LUIS MIGUEL. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:42:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA22974 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA27650; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:42:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA24320; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:37:20 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA34578 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:35:30 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA19695 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:35:22 -0800 Received: from ashawna.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05980; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:34:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: require more info In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: UGPUG1 X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN most likely you would want to find out the name of your campus mail server and set up pine on your home PC with the proper information. On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, UGPUG1 wrote: > I have and e-mail account through pine, but I would like to access campus info > at home, but I don't know how > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA23134 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA07285; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:50:36 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA24889; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:47:02 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA46112 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:44:45 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id OAA20656 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:44:42 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 12 Jan 98 23:44:18 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00848; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:27:55 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:27:46 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Research In-Reply-To: Drachen's message of "Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:07:33 -0800 (PST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Drachen X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >>>> On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 DRudi9140@aol.com wrote: >>> Drachen writes: >> On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Noone Special wrote: >>>> Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through >>>> pine???? >>> you don't. use lynx newbies! :) >> It has been my experience that only newbies tend to use the word >> "newbies" alot :P~ > Or people who worked ISP tech support wa-a-a-a-a-a-ay too long :P Sure, but those know how to quote properly. LaMEr ]:-> Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University main(){printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);} From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA23214 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (root@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA07418; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:55:20 -0800 Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA14064; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:50:37 -0800 Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA26196 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:44:52 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id OAA13000 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:44:48 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 12 Jan 98 23:44:19 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00849; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:31:06 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:31:05 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: unclear message In-Reply-To: Brother Rafe S Donato FSC's message of "Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:56:22 +0800 (HKT)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Brother Rafe S Donato FSC X-Cc: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Attribution: Robin X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/ X-plonked-by: Jost Boekemeier X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Brother Rafe S Donato FSC writes: > I keep getting message that my file is full. I am sure it is not > and just to make sure, I deleted a lot of message in my IN box. Yo, brother, chant a couple of "man quota"s - that'll help. What's happening is that that you local system administrator has assigned you a limited amount of diskspace which you've exceeded. That need not necessarily be mail, it can be all sorts of files. Do the following: du ~/ | sort -n | less and see where the big files are. You quit less by saying "q". Delete those files at random. Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Vidi, vici, veni From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:58:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA23262 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA07499; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:58:02 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA23625; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:54:02 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA29020 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:48:13 -0800 Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA21004 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:48:11 -0800 Received: from ashawna.eni.net (firewall-user@chastity.eni.net [206.135.49.2]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA09628; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:48:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:47:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Drachen To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Research In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Robin S. Socha" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 12 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > Sure, but those know how to quote properly. LaMEr ]:-> or are simply too lazy too unless goaded into it :) it's been one of those where are the netscape /facks/ (no they don't mean faqs) days :) Vinnie From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA23647 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA07849; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:20 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA24908; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:09:37 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA41832 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:06:03 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id PAA18451 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:06:02 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 13 Jan 98 00:05:39 MEZ Received: from localhost (uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00518; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:50:26 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:50:24 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Problem! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Iztok Polanic X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Iztok Polanic wrote: > Hello !!! > I recenty got this in my PINE window! > init: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot access > parent directories > What's wrong? You deleted the dir you were in. Your signature is too long. Robin BTW, you know that you're fscked when you get this: tail: /var/log/messages: I/O error Guys, I think you won't be seeing me for a couple of days... F***! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:17:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA23747 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA08006; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:17:28 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA27312; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:40 -0800 Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA45660 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:06:02 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id PAA22807 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:05:58 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 13 Jan 98 00:05:33 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00525; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:52:42 +0100 Message-Id: <19980113005242.64261@sushi.uni-bonn.de> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:52:42 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: require more info In-Reply-To: ; from UGPUG1 on Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 03:36:46PM -0400 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 03:36:46PM -0400, UGPUG1 wrote: > I have and e-mail account through pine, but I would like to access campus info > at home, but I don't know how Talk to your local help desk. You need a connection. *They* have the necessary hard- and software. Robin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:18:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA23752 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA08012; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:17:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id PAA25404; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:14:37 -0800 Received: from mx5.u.washington.edu (mx5.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.6]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA13684 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:06:04 -0800 Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by mx5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id PAA02906 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:06:01 -0800 Received: from sushi.uni-bonn.de by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 13 Jan 98 00:05:36 MEZ Received: (from uzs8kb@localhost) by sushi.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00530; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:53:51 +0100 Message-Id: <19980113005351.54319@sushi.uni-bonn.de> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:53:51 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: x-uuencode help! In-Reply-To: <34BA73BD.163FC57C@oklahoma.net>; from Jim Cooprider on Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 01:49:20PM -0600 References: <34BA73BD.163FC57C@oklahoma.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 01:49:20PM -0600, Jim Cooprider wrote: > I recieved e-mail with attachment and needs to be decoded by x-uuencode. I > have a macintosh and am on netscape 4.0 . Can you help me out. No. This is a list for the discussion of problems related to the pine MUA. Go to and pick up the necessary software there. Robin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:34:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA28121 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA13011; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:34:07 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id TAA12420; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:29:28 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA27422 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:27:35 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA04074 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:27:34 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip25.irvine.quik.com [207.38.102.25]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA12370; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:26:21 GMT Message-Id: <006301bd1f8f$9b6e3f80$196626cf@ops_svr> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:23:30 -0000 Reply-To: "Colin J. Raven" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: irrelevant posts & consider this... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Mike Mahaffy" , "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN OK that solves one matter alone Mike....it deluges *that* individual with mail which says that they've posted to the wrong list. Agreed without reservation. Yessir...that tells 'em...noooooo question about it! However, the larger issue is not what you do to Joe Schmo, the one poor schlemiel who gets 99,000 emails (98,999 of 'em from Robin!) telling him he's in the wrong place, but what you do to *avoid* getting irrelevent posts to begin with. IMHO *that* is the issue, and where we're heading by trying to figure out if there should be two lists, one for newcomers (er inexperienced NEWcomers) and one for the folks who realize fully what the heck the list is for, and who post on (or close to) topic. A Regarding moderating the list...well for starters, a few boilerplate email text files would certainly reduce the workload considerably. Time to accomplish this? I dunno...anyone have any estimates on this?? Oh well...back to the iron foundry -Colin >Hello all, > >Here's a thought. How about just sending a message that reflects the >following sentiment. > >"Wrong type of question for this forum." > >When the individual gets so 'MANY' responses back from the entire (lots >anyway) pine group they will have figured out that 'hey, maybe this is >the wrong group to ask'. This might be preferred instead of other >options (no names) that have been used in the past to try to turn people >away. All that does is - well - nothing. > >OK it might be frustrating at first but you are reading your mail >anyway, aren't you??? Like this one for example... > >...and as mentioned before, who has the time or really wants to moderate >a list for a large group like this? > >Mike........... > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:43:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA28191 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA13124; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:42:59 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id TAA12943; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:39:20 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA23370 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:37:31 -0800 Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id TAA03087 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:37:31 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip25.irvine.quik.com [207.38.102.25]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA10942; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:30:36 GMT Message-Id: <008801bd1f90$32ee4670$196626cf@ops_svr> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:27:56 -0000 Reply-To: "Colin J. Raven" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: "Pine Discussion Forum" Subject: Re: Moderating Newbie List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" , "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Yup...'xactly, that's what I had in mind...just that. > >I'm still in favor of moderating nonsubscribers and new subscribers, but just >till they ask a question related to pine. > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:31:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA29747 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA05991; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:31:46 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA22697; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:28:28 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA21250 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:25:40 -0800 Received: from isc.lf.net (isc.LF.net [194.64.4.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id WAA12903 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:25:38 -0800 Received: by isc.lf.net (Smail3.2.0.95/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remotehost sparclx with uucp for mxu1.u.washington.edu id m0xrzn5-000qp7C; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:25:35 +0100 (MET) Received