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To who it may concern,
        I reviewed your letter on MS-TNEF in hopes of resolving a like
problem. 
Where do i find a plug in for Netscape that can handle such a 
translation? Thanks.

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we can't decode mime files. please help if you can

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Have e-mails with attachments that says must be converted with BinHex 4.0.

I have downloaded e-mails and stuffit expander.  I have been unable to
convert files.  I need help because I am apparently not doing it correctly.
 Please send step by step instructions.  I am new at this computer game.  My
computer is a Mac Performa.

Thank you very much in advance.


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  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
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	I sent the following message to Pine  Developers and their form
response suggested I post this request to their news group.  Can anyone
help?  Thanks,
			rindone@ems.psu.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:13:56 -0500 (EST)
From: guyrin <rindone@ems.psu.edu>
To: Pine Developers <pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu>
Subject: Bug (ID Y777J): 


My internet access server is at Penn State in State College ,  PA where I 
live.  I spend most of the winter in North Miami Beach, Florida.  While
in Florida I use Prodigy Internet to telnet to my server in PA. I use
pine to access my e-mail.  However, I find that I am not able to print
my e-mail messages from pine.  I am using print to ainsi as I do in
PA.

	Is there a way I can print from Pine when in Florida?  I 
appreciate your suggestions.

			Guy E. Rindone
			rindone@ems.psu.edu
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========== struct pine * ==========
ui:	login = rindone, full = Guy Rindone
	home = /home/faculty/rindone
home_dir=	/home/faculty/rindone
hostname=	pangaea
localdom=	pangaea
userdom=	ems.psu.edu
maildom=	ems.psu.edu
cur_cntxt=	mail/[]
cur_fldr=	INBOX
actual mbox=	inbox
msgmap: tot=0, cur=0, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival
inbox is mail_stream
term type=vt100, ttyname=/dev/pts/2, size=24x80, speed=normal
======= Current_val options set =======
        personal-name : guyrin
              user-id : rindone
          user-domain : ems.psu.edu
          nntp-server : news.ems.psu.edu
           inbox-path : inbox
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          default-fcc : sent-mail
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       mail-directory : mail
       signature-file : .signature
         address-book : .addressbook
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             sort-key : arrival
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              printer : attached-to-ansi
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     standard-printer : lp
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    last-version-used : 3.91
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (/home/faculty/rindone/.pinerc) =======
        personal-name : guyrin
          user-domain : ems.psu.edu
          nntp-server : news.ems.psu.edu
   folder-collections : mail/[]
              printer : attached-to-ansi
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    last-version-used : 3.91
======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) =======
           inbox-path : inbox
          default-fcc : sent-mail
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
       mail-directory : mail
       signature-file : .signature
         address-book : .addressbook
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              printer : attached-to-ansi
     standard-printer : lp
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
  no-assume-slow-link
  no-auto-move-read-msgs
  no-auto-open-next-unread
  no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
  no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
  no-delete-skips-deleted
  no-disable-config-cmd
  no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
  no-disable-password-cmd
  no-disable-update-cmd
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  no-enable-incoming-folders
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  no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
  no-preserve-start-stop-characters
  no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
  no-quit-without-confirm
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  no-save-will-not-delete
  no-save-will-advance
  no-select-without-confirm
  no-show-selected-in-boldface
  no-signature-at-bottom
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First, you need to View and the Save the BinHex attachment as files
on your Unix box using Pine...

Then you need to FTP the files from that Unix box to your Macintosh
and then run StuffIt Expander on the file you just got over....

Any questions? just ask...

Andrew



On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 Footraser1@aol.com wrote:

> Have e-mails with attachments that says must be converted with BinHex 4.0.
> 
> I have downloaded e-mails and stuffit expander.  I have been unable to
> convert files.  I need help because I am apparently not doing it correctly.
>  Please send step by step instructions.  I am new at this computer game.  My
> computer is a Mac Performa.
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.
> 
> 

Andrew Le           (425) 271-9410 phone
Casabyte LLC        http://www.casabyte.com
Managing networks under one roof. 
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I've noticed since I started using Lcc that it works fine as long as I
don't delete any addresses from the list after I've typed the nickname of
the list in the Lcc line and then hit <enter>.  In other words, once I've
done that and leave it alone, no problems.  However, if I go back to that
list in the Lcc field and take out at least one address, once I move the
cursor to either the To line or into the Body, the To line changes from
displaying *only* the list name followed by the :; to the list name
followed by -- followed by ;:  An example is below to clarify this:

If I enter 'All' in the Lcc field and hit <enter>, I get this for the To
line (I've also included the first line of the Lcc field):

To      : All: ;
Lcc     : All -- Beavis and Butthead <hehe@mtv.com>


If I delete one or more lines from the Lcc field, then move out of that
field, I get this:


To      : All -- Beavis and Butthead: ;
Lcc     : All -- Beavis and Butthead <hehe@mtv.com>,

Note how the To line shows the name of the first person in the list.

Does anyone else have this, or is there some problem with my setup?  I'll
include the configuration if you need more details.

Greg
batchman@slip.net


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please mail bomb me, I am conducting a study; don't worry, I have
another separate account.  This account is for you to bomb:
jeff27@wharton.upenn.edu
thank you very much
jeff

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>Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971201182210.2141G-100000@slip-3>
                       ^^^^
>From: Shoeless in San Jose <batchman@slip.net>

>If I enter 'All' in the Lcc field and hit <enter>, I get this for the To
>line (I've also included the first line of the Lcc field):

>To      : All: ;
>Lcc     : All -- Beavis and Butthead <hehe@mtv.com>

>If I delete one or more lines from the Lcc field, then move out of that
>field, I get this:

>To      : All -- Beavis and Butthead: ;
>Lcc     : All -- Beavis and Butthead <hehe@mtv.com>,

>Note how the To line shows the name of the first person in the list.

This was a problem with the original version 3.95. If the full name of a
distribution list was blank, the full name of the first person on the list
would appear in the To header. There was a patch to 3.95 to correct this.

But, your message ID indicates you are using 3.96.

Sure, report the bug. Make sure you describe your hardware and version of Unix
that you are running.


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On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> This was a problem with the original version 3.95. If the full name of a
> distribution list was blank, the full name of the first person on the list
> would appear in the To header. There was a patch to 3.95 to correct this.
> 
> But, your message ID indicates you are using 3.96.

Oops, forgot that very important bit of info, but fortunately you knew how
to extract it.

> Sure, report the bug. Make sure you describe your hardware and version
> of Unix that you are running. 

Yep, I checked just now...the full name isn't blank on the list, but I
still get that problem, so I'll send it off to the bug-zappers and see if
they have a clue.  More annoying than anything; nothing I can't live with
for now, but at least I'd like to know that it gets cleared up by 4.00.

Greg
batchman@slip.net


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I sent in a bug report on this a little while ago, but I haven't heard
anything about it. Not even sure if it's a pine problem, but it's sure
looking that way...

I'm running 3.96 on Solaris 2.5.1 (SunOS 5.5.1 Generic_103640-08 sun4u sparc
SUNW,Ultra-2), with the home directory either mounted via NFS or on local
disk (I tried both with the same result), and ever so often, saved mail
files (fcc files) vanish.

It doesn't appear to be related to an overfull disk, as this happened
recently when the disk was at 45% (plenty of space).  Also, it doesn't seem
to be related to file-size, as the files that have vanished ranged from
quite small to several megabytes. I've got files that I use quite frequently,
which are HUGE, which haven't vanished yet. Memory should also not be an
issue, as the machines I use have several gigabytes of memory (some 2 gig,
others 128Meg, others 3 Gig).

Usually I'll notice that the file is gone, when I try to send a message to
someone for whom I KNOW I've created a file, and I'm asked if I want to
create the file for the fcc. Usually I've sent this person email a few hours
previously, although I can't be sure if the file vanished 5 seconds
previously, or five hours.

Has anyone else seen this? I suppose it COULD be OS related (i.e. Solaris'
fault), but somehow that doesn't sound right.

I've turned on debugging for pine, but didn't see anything obvious in a log
file, which was created when it asked me if I wanted to create an fcc file,
which I know existed previously.

I've lost several mail files already, and it's quite annoying, as I rely on
saved mail quite a bit..

Ideas?

jan
 --
Jan Vilhuber                                            vilhuber@cisco.com
Cisco Systems, San Jose                                     (408) 527-0847


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[Another installment of "how do I view html attachments with pine"]

Here is my version of viewing HTML attachments and included HTML from pine.
This is a hack. It is ugly bad code. Use however you want. Other people have
other solutions that work better or worse for them. You may want to try
theirs.

I have this script as a file called ~/bin/view_html.perl

I have a .pinemailcap file which is in my pine mailcap search path.
I have this in my .pinemailcap file:

text/html; ~/bin/view_html.perl %s; needsterminal

That allows me to view attachments. If I get an email which contains HTML
which is not an attachment, I use the "|" command to pipe the message to this
script.

Have fun,

Issac

#!/path/to/perl5 -w

# --------------
# view_html.perl
# takes html in stdin or in a file and raises a currently running netscape
#  to the front with that bit of html in it
# netscape uses X resources to communicate with running instantiations of 
#  itself, so you can run this from a different machine (mail server) than
#  your copy of netscape is running on (workstation)
# very unpolished, use at your own risk
# Weird things can happen if your DISPLAY variable is not set correctly. 
# Beware!
#
# Issac Roth (iroth@remove-to-email-me.cisco.com) 1-Dec-1997
# ----------------------------------------------

# ------ things to change for individual situations

$NETSCAPE = 'netscape4';
$LYNX = '/usr/local/bin/lynx';
  ## TMPDIR should be available via NFS with the same path from all systems
  ## you might run this or a browser from. This dir should already exist.
$TMPDIR = "/users/$ENV{'USER'}/tmp";      # leave off trailing slash

# ------- you probably don't need to change things below here

$htmlfile = "$TMPDIR/htmljunk.$$.html";

# copy the html to a file that is available over NFS
open(TMPHTMLFILE,">$htmlfile") || die "Couldn't open tmp file\n";
while (<>) {
    print TMPHTMLFILE;
}
close(TMPHTMLFILE) || die "couldn't write tmp file\n";


# launch browser
# first try netscape, if we're running X
unless (defined($ENV{'DISPLAY'})) {
    # no X11, run lynx
    system("$LYNX -force_html $htmlfile");
} else {
    
    # we have X11
    # fork to try to tell a currently running netscape to open our html file
    # if we're running from a mailreader, this is good, because it returns
    # control to the mailreader immediately
  FORK: {
      if ($pid = fork) {
	   # parent
	  exit(0);
      } elsif (defined $pid) {
	  # child
	  if (`$NETSCAPE -remote \"openURL(file:$htmlfile)\" 2>&1` =~ /not running on display/) {
	      # launch a new one if one didn't exist already
	      system("$NETSCAPE $htmlfile");
	  }
      }

# ---- the rest of this is all forking error condition nonsense
      elsif ($! =~ /No more process/) {
	# EAGAIN, supposedly recoverable fork error
	# try forking again
	sleep 2;
	redo FORK;
    } else {
	# something strange happened with forking, so die
	die "Can't fork: $! - Try again\n";
    }
  }
}


# clean up after ourselves
unlink($htmlfile);


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II use unix pine with Imap. When I look at messages from my imap server
they have trash at the end. It does not seem to be part of the messages
that was sent.
 Here is a sample.
Any ideas on how to fix this.

Thanks Marty meverett@ikon.com

This is a test

Marty
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I have a problem with setting outgouing mail filter
in Pine. 

I try some simple filter that reads from standard input.
I have read in help that Pine should send text of message
to standard input of the filter program (if _TMPFILE_ is
not used). The filter starts, but doesn't receive any input.
I try even very simple filter such as program cat.
In Pine config there is:  sending-filters=/bin/cat
When I select to send message with this filter, it writes:
Success - Pres Return and then (after pressing Enter):
Problem filtering: Success.

Can anyone help me ?

Thanks Pavel.

P.S. I use linux 2.0.32 and tried Pine 3.95 and 3.96
installed from RPM package.

--
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On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Issac Roth wrote:

> [Another installment of "how do I view html attachments with pine"]

I have something similar but it doesn't require PERL:

1)	copy the /etc/mailcap to your own directory under the file
	name .mailcap

2)	search for the phrase or line "Texts and Fonts"

3)	add the following lines:

	text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-1 %s; copiousoutput
	text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-8 %s; copiousoutput
	text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-7 %s; copiousoutput

4)	Modify your .pinerc file to read:

# Sets the search path for the mailcap cofiguration file.
# NOTE: colon delimited under UNIX, semi-colon delimited under DOS/Windows/OS2.
mailcap-search-path=[home directory paty]/.mailcap:/etc/mailcap

After that... start pine and you should be able to view HTML codes via
PINE.

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	My question is: how do I change my password?
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program works perfectly... 100% OF THE TIME!

Thousands of people have used this program to:
 
     -  Raise capital to start their own business
     -  Pay off debts
     -  Buy homes, cars, etc.,
     -  Even retire!
 
This is your chance, so read on and get started today!
 
 
 



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY
ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING PROGRAM

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 
Basically, this is what we do:
 
We send thousands of people a product for $5.00 that costs next to
nothing to produce and e-mail. As with all multi-level businesses, we
build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our
products, allows you to recruit new multi- level business online (via
your computer).
 
The products in this program are a series of four business and
financial reports costing $5.00 each.  Each order you receive via
"snail mail" will include:
 
   * $5.00 cash
   * The name and number of the report they are ordering
   * The e-mail address where you will e-mail them the report they
      ordered.
 
To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the buyer.
THAT'S IT!  The $5.00 is yours!  This is the EASIEST electronic
multi-level marketing business anywhere!
 
FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER AND BE PREPARED TO REAP THE
STAGGERING BENEFITS!

******* I  N  S  T  R  U  C  T  I  O  N  S *******
 
  
This is what you MUST do:
 
1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them
if you don't order them).

      *  For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME &amp; NUMBER OF THE
         REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR
         NAME &amp; RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person
         whose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE
         YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY
         MAIL PROBLEMS!
 
      *  When you place your order, make sure you order each of the
         four reports.  You will need all four reports so that you can
save
         them on your computer and resell them.
 
      *  Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four
         reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible
         for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them
         from you.
 
2.  IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed
     next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other
     than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose
     out on the majority of your profits.  Once you  understand the way
this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it.
     Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will
     not work. ( I talked to a friend last month who has also done this
     program.  He said he had tried "playing" with it to change the
     results.  Bad idea.... he never got as much money as he did with
     the un-altered version.  Remember, it's a proven method!

     a.  Look below for the listing of available reports.
 
     b.  After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement
and remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This
          person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting
their 50
          grand!
 
     c.  Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to  REPORT #4.
 
     d.  Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.
 
     e.  Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.
 
     f.  Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.
 
 
 
Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY!
 
 
 
3.  Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and
      save it to your computer.  Make NO changes to the instruction
      portion of this letter.
 
4.  Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the
     INTERNET!  Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive,
     and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Another
     avenue which you could use for advertising is e-mail lists.
     You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or you
     can pay someone a minimal charge to take care of it for you.
     BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY!
 
5.  For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the
     report they ordered.  THAT'S IT!  ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY
     SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!  This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY
     send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt
     because they can't advertise until they receive the report!



------------------------------------------
AVAILABLE REPORTS
------------------------------------------
 
*** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME ***

 
Notes:
 
-  ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT
   CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED -  ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS  MAIL
-  Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets
of paper
-  On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number &amp;
    name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and
   (c) your name &amp; postal address.
 
 
 
PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:
 
 
_______________________________________________________________

REPORT #1 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS"
 
      ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:

            D.C.T.
            P.O.Box 01-01-311
            Cuenca - Ecuador
            South America
_______________________________________________________________
  
REPORT #2 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES"

      ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:
 
 
            TML
            P.O Box 383
            Pacifica, Ca 94044


______________________________________________________________

REPORT #3 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES"

      ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:
 
            NDZ &amp; Co.
            P.O Box 7277
            Atlanta, Ga 30357-0277
_______________________________________________________________

REPORT #4 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS"

      ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:

            FML
            P.O. Box 927603
           San Diego, CA  92192-0603
_______________________________________________________________
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
 
Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works.
Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first
level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a
larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION
gets ONLY 10 downline members.
Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below.
 
1st level--your 10 members with
$5............................................$50
2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100).....................$500
3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)............$5,000
4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)...$50,000
THIS TOTALS        -----------$55,550

Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only
recruit 10 people each.  Think for a moment what would happen if they
got 20 people to participate!  Most people get 100's of participants!
THINK ABOUT IT!

Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you
can afford $20). You obviously already have an Internet connection
and e-mail is FREE!
 
REPORT#3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and
purchasing e-mail lists.  Some list &amp; bulk e-mail vendors even
work on trade!

 
 
About 50,000 new people get online every month!
 
******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******

 
*  TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS!  Be prompt, professional, and
     follow the directions accurately.

*  Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them
    when the orders start coming in because:
 
       When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested
       product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal &amp; Lottery
       Laws, Title
      18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18,  Section 3005 in the
      U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and
436, which
      state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money
received."

 *  ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.
 
 *  Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the
    instructions exactly, your results WILL be SUCCESSFUL!

 *  ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL
    SUCCEED!
  
******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******

 
 
Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:
 
If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks,
continue advertising until you do.  Then, a couple of weeks later you
should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2.  If you don't,
continue advertising until you do.
 
Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN
RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash
will continue to roll in!

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:
 
Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in
front of a DIFFERENT report.  You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by
watching which report people are ordering from you.  If you want to
generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the
whole process again!  There is no limit to the income you will
generate from this business!

 
 
******* T  E  S  T  I  M  O  N  I  A  L  S *******

 
   This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY!  Especially
the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it
won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income.  I'm living
proof that it works.  It really is a great opportunity to make
relatively easy money, with little cost to you.  If you do choose to
participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to
financial security.
          Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS
 
    My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am
a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty
good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about
receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my
knowledge of the population and percentages involved.  I "knew" it
wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and
jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready
to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work...
well, the laugh was on me!  Within two weeks she had received over 50
responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills!
I was shocked!  I was sure that I had it all figured and that it
wouldn't work.  I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her
"hobby."   I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think
of the "rat race" an it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM.
           Frank T., Bel-Air, MD

   I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you.
 Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I
even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was
legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!!!
          Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC
 
    The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this
system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a
large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times
before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect
in return for the minimal effort and money required.  To my
astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money
still coming in.
           Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq.
 
    Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up
my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I
decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just
no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money
back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office
box crammed with orders!  For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had
to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this
year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this
deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There
simply isn't a better investment with a faster return.
         Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI
 
    I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I
wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea
who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was
e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't
delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!!
          D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN
 
     This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit
our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the
interest on our money.  The only way on earth that this plan will
work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's
sake don't pass up this golden opportunity.  Good luck and happy
spending!
           Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA
 
 
ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO  FINANCIAL
FREEDOM!
NOW  IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS

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We are doing a study on group support systems and cultural barriers. We
would really appreciate it if you could fill out our questionnaire,
posted on the web.

http://members.tripod.com/~Group_Systems/index.html

Thank you in advance.

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I have an free email account in usa.net.  The username there is different
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I checked the configuration settings in pine and didn't find a way to
change my username appeared on my email sending through usa.net.  Could
somebody enlighten me how I may solve this problem? 

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>>>>> "ML" == Ming Luo <m_luo@usa.net> writes:

 ML> I have an free email account in usa.net.  The username there is
 ML> different from the one on my ISP unix system.  I can set the
 ML> "smtp" of my pine to mail.netaddress.com, which is the mail
 ML> server of usa.net, but the other party can't reply my mail
 ML> because of the difference of the usernames.

 ML> I checked the configuration settings in pine and didn't find a
 ML> way to change my username appeared on my email sending through
 ML> usa.net.  Could somebody enlighten me how I may solve this
 ML> problem?

Hi,

is this a FAQ by now? Must be for sure. You can set the 'Reply-To:'
address in the pine config:

s c Ctrl-w "customize" a "Reply-To: <your-address>" Return

All right, you can't change the From: Line unless you recompile pine
allowing this change ...

hth, norbert

PS to Robin: I know, there are hundred *better* ways of dealing with
it :-)

-- 
Norbert Koch
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Dear Sir,
	I've been trying to send a text document from my pc's directory but 
don't know how to do it. If you could e-mail the process then I would be
very grateful.
						Thanking You,
							Jeffrey Yep



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>>>>> "JY" == Jeffrey Yep <jeffrey@giasdla.vsnl.net.in> writes:

 JY> Dear Sir, I've been trying to send a text document from my pc's
 JY> directory but don't know how to do it. If you could e-mail the
 JY> process then I would be very grateful.  Thanking You, Jeffrey Yep

You must be kidding ...

Ok, first answer: rtfm, Rtfm, RTFM, *RTFM*!

Now, I suppose, you've already succeeded in getting into the compose
buffer (that's eg, c from the main menu). And I surmise, you've been
able to insert a correct address, perhaps even a subject.

Go below the 'Message Text' mark, then type ctrl-r and insert the file
name directly or type ctrl-t to get a listing (via pilot, afaik).

btw, I'd advise you to (a) correspond with your local help desk and
(b) with your doctor to have your eyes checked - maybe, you should
just try and have a look at the bottom line of your pine term.



l8er, norbert

-- 
Norbert Koch
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On 3 Dec 1997, Norbert Koch wrote:

> >>>>> "JY" == Jeffrey Yep <jeffrey@giasdla.vsnl.net.in> writes:
> 
>  JY> Dear Sir, I've been trying to send a text document from my pc's
>  JY> directory but don't know how to do it. If you could e-mail the
>  JY> process then I would be very grateful.  Thanking You, Jeffrey Yep
> 
[snip]

> Go below the 'Message Text' mark, then type ctrl-r and insert the file
> name directly or type ctrl-t to get a listing (via pilot, afaik).

If you looked into the headers of the original mail you'd note that the
individual is running pine for SVR4.  So, he is running from a shell
account.  He probably needs help uploading the file to the Unix box
*before* he gets to the proceedure you've outlined.

So, let's ask him if he know how to do that first.....

-- 
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                                   Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
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 Listen I want to send a file from my home directory e.g. c:\my
 documents\rmpi.doc then what do I do???? DOn't use acronyms or
 abbreviations.
 
						 Jeffrey/Crash/Ash/Blur
 
 


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>> "JY" == Jeffrey Yep <jeffrey@giasdla.vsnl.net.in> writes:

JY> Listen I want to send a file from my home directory e.g. c:\my
JY> documents\rmpi.doc then what do I do???? DOn't use acronyms or
JY> abbreviations.

Listen, sweety, we're *not* the Salvation Army here exactly, and we
don't appreciate being "????"ed at, ok? If you want to learn to use
pine properly, read the documentation that comes with it first. That's
the minimal requirement.

Check this out:
<http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/wissen/robin/user.guide/node43.html#SECTION004123000000000000000>

If there's anything you don't understand, come back. Make sure to grab 
a copy of the netiquette, too, because your question is a FAQ.

Robin - Windog Luser Exorcist

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Microsoft is the question and the answer is no.

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Has anyone run pine under digital unix 4.0.  I am running it now on Digital
Unix 3.2, but want to make sure that it will be okay on 4 before I change 
over.
Thanks,
Paul Yahnig



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Hello,
I'm using pine from a DEC VT382 terminal which connect to network
using DEC 900TM terminal server. When I type Ctrl-X to send mail,
there is no function. Please help me. 

ZHOU, Rong-jie
Department of Physics   	Tel: +86-931-8912018 
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>> "NK" == Norbert Koch <norbert.koch@delta-ii.de> writes:

NK> is this a FAQ by now?

It's always been one...

NK> Must be for sure. You can set the 'Reply-To:' address in the pine
NK> config:[...]  PS to Robin: I know, there are hundred *better* ways
NK> of dealing with it :-)

Ummm... no smiley here - I cannot find the right docs now, but there
are *many* things that are better than setting a reply-to. There's
nothing wrong with changing the from-line for legitimate reasons (I do
it, too, because my login-account runs VMS->no procmail). AFAIK, Pine4 
will provide an easier solution - right?

Robin

-- 
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I have just joined this list, and I clearly get the impression that this 
is a very nasty and conceeded list.  Just because beginners may not know 
the answer does not mean that answers need to be given with such a mean
know it all attitude.  I guess I won't be asking any Pine questions
since I am a beginner
On 3 Dec 1997, Norbert Koch wrote:

> >>>>> "JY" == Jeffrey Yep <jeffrey@giasdla.vsnl.net.in> writes:
> 
>  JY> Dear Sir, I've been trying to send a text document from my pc's
>  JY> directory but don't know how to do it. If you could e-mail the
>  JY> process then I would be very grateful.  Thanking You, Jeffrey Yep
> 
> You must be kidding ...
> 
> Ok, first answer: rtfm, Rtfm, RTFM, *RTFM*!
> 
> Now, I suppose, you've already succeeded in getting into the compose
> buffer (that's eg, c from the main menu). And I surmise, you've been
> able to insert a correct address, perhaps even a subject.
> 
> Go below the 'Message Text' mark, then type ctrl-r and insert the file
> name directly or type ctrl-t to get a listing (via pilot, afaik).
> 
> btw, I'd advise you to (a) correspond with your local help desk and
> (b) with your doctor to have your eyes checked - maybe, you should
> just try and have a look at the bottom line of your pine term.
> 
> 
> 
> l8er, norbert
> 
> -- 
> Norbert Koch
> a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!
> 





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>> "KAG" == Kathleen A Goetsch <kagey@csd.uwm.edu> writes:

KAG> I have just joined this list, and I clearly get the impression
KAG> that this is a very nasty and conceeded list.

Easy now, Kathleen... Before you mail to a mailing list, you might
want to read the netiquette, preferably the version by Arlene
Rinaldi. You are *not* supposed to bump into a list, but rather read
the docs first, then lurk for some weeks, then ask questions. If you
need a quick answer, use the newsgroup comp.mail.pine.

KAG> Just because beginners may not know the answer does not mean that
KAG> answers need to be given with such a mean know it all attitude.

It's an "I've read this 1001 times before in the last 2 weeks"
attitude. Jeffrey's stance might be questionable, but I find his
answer perfectly acceptable, because it was right. 

KAG> I guess I won't be asking any Pine questions since I am a beginner

If you can't stand the heat, don't go on the net... If you browse the
pine archive, you'll likely not find a rude answer to an acceptable,
sensible question.

And yes, you don't need to quote an entire message, either. RTFM ->
netiquette. 

Cheers,
Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
       On the package it said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"  
	       			      ...  so I got myself Linux. 

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Still no reply on this. Second attempt.

Thanks!
jan


On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Jan Vilhuber wrote:

> I sent in a bug report on this a little while ago, but I haven't heard
> anything about it. Not even sure if it's a pine problem, but it's sure
> looking that way...
> 
> I'm running 3.96 on Solaris 2.5.1 (SunOS 5.5.1 Generic_103640-08 sun4u sparc
> SUNW,Ultra-2), with the home directory either mounted via NFS or on local
> disk (I tried both with the same result), and ever so often, saved mail
> files (fcc files) vanish.
> 
> It doesn't appear to be related to an overfull disk, as this happened
> recently when the disk was at 45% (plenty of space).  Also, it doesn't seem
> to be related to file-size, as the files that have vanished ranged from
> quite small to several megabytes. I've got files that I use quite frequently,
> which are HUGE, which haven't vanished yet. Memory should also not be an
> issue, as the machines I use have several gigabytes of memory (some 2 gig,
> others 128Meg, others 3 Gig).
> 
> Usually I'll notice that the file is gone, when I try to send a message to
> someone for whom I KNOW I've created a file, and I'm asked if I want to
> create the file for the fcc. Usually I've sent this person email a few hours
> previously, although I can't be sure if the file vanished 5 seconds
> previously, or five hours.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this? I suppose it COULD be OS related (i.e. Solaris'
> fault), but somehow that doesn't sound right.
> 
> I've turned on debugging for pine, but didn't see anything obvious in a log
> file, which was created when it asked me if I wanted to create an fcc file,
> which I know existed previously.
> 
> I've lost several mail files already, and it's quite annoying, as I rely on
> saved mail quite a bit..
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> jan
>  --
> Jan Vilhuber                                            vilhuber@cisco.com
> Cisco Systems, San Jose                                     (408) 527-0847
> 
> 

 --
Jan Vilhuber                                            vilhuber@cisco.com
Cisco Systems, San Jose                                     (408) 527-0847


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>From: Kathleen A Goetsch <kagey@csd.uwm.edu>
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:50:39 -0600 (CST)

>I have just joined this list, and I clearly get the impression that this 
>is a very nasty and conceeded list.

Conceeded? Never conceed nothin', and use the spell checker (^T).


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>> "JV" == Jan Vilhuber <vilhuber@cisco.com> writes:

JV> Still no reply on this. Second attempt.

If you don't receive an answer, the answer is:

[ ] we don't know
[ ] it's a secret and we'd have to shoot you if we told you
[ ] all of the above

JV> Thanks!

You're welcome. Stop forwarding lenghthy messages.

Robin

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and click interface ?					     Alan Cox

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Gosh, I'm SOOO glad people on this list are so helpful.

If you prefer shorter messages, how about:

"Pine doesn't work."

You prefer those, I take it. So much more information in that...

Bite me.

jan


On 4 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> >> "JV" == Jan Vilhuber <vilhuber@cisco.com> writes:
> 
> JV> Still no reply on this. Second attempt.
> 
> If you don't receive an answer, the answer is:
> 
> [ ] we don't know
> [ ] it's a secret and we'd have to shoot you if we told you
> [ ] all of the above
> 
> JV> Thanks!
> 
> You're welcome. Stop forwarding lenghthy messages.
> 
> Robin
> 
> -- 
> Robin S. Socha M.A.
> Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
> One question: How come the .44 magnum is the worlds only usable point
> and click interface ?					     Alan Cox
> 

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Jan Vilhuber                                            vilhuber@cisco.com
Cisco Systems, San Jose                                     (408) 527-0847


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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Jan Vilhuber wrote:

> Gosh, I'm SOOO glad people on this list are so helpful.

Sigh.....

> "Pine doesn't work."
> 
> You prefer those, I take it. So much more information in that...

Of course not.  I believe the suggestion is that when you send a "second
request" there is no need to quote the entire "first request".

Now to answer your question....

> > [X] we don't know  ..... or we would have said something by now.

I run pine on an SS1000E and SS20 running Solaris 2.5.1 at the same kernel
patch you indicated.

I've never seen your problem.

Regards,
Ed

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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Jan Vilhuber wrote:

> Still no reply on this. Second attempt.

Oh, I forgot to mention one thing.  The folks on this list are quite
similar to you and me.  We all have "day jobs" and we don't answer
questions on this list for a living.  We just do it in our spare time.

Sometimes, the folks with most of the answers are not around.  Maybe they
are off doing Christmas shopping or other "real life" stuff.

So, it really isn't a good idea to post messages which can be taken to
say, "Why haven't *you* answered me yet!".  (Note: I'm not saying that was
your intent....only that it could be taken by some as that.)

Anyway, good luck with your problem.  If you don't have control over the
system....you may want to check with the sysadmin.  Maybe they have some
type of archive program which has gone crazy?

Regards,
Ed

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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Kathleen A Goetsch wrote:

> I guess I won't be asking any Pine questions since I am a beginner

If you have a question and have made a reasonable effort to solve the
problem yourself then by all means ask.  

Do not be so hasty to judge the entire list based upon a few messages
which you deem inappropriate.  Also, remember some very sound advice,
"Judge not, lest ye be judged".  (Or words to that effect.)

We are all human and we all crawl out of the wrong side of the bed once in
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Dear Pine-info,

My question has nothing to do with Pine, nevertheless
I hope you will accept to read it.
Now, I am trying to get back in touch with my Israeli
friend, whose only trace in internet led me straight to you.
Using his address which was valid 2 yrs ago as query, I had 
Hotbot return the following:

How to autoget news articles by mail
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To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu 
Subject: How to autoget news articles by mail 
From: xdxnn@datasrv.co.il ( ) 
Date: 30 Oct 1995 00:51:34 GMT 
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I was told there's some configuration option that allows you to get all
articles posted to a certain newsgroup directly to your mail box?
how do i do that?

Thanx
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Re: How to autoget news articles by mail 
From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) 

So his address was:
From: xdxnn@datasrv.co.il 
or:
From: xdxnn@zeus.datasrv.co.il

Do you have any idea on how I can find this person now?
Thank you for any hints on the subject.
<raph@kki.net.pl>


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Hi all,

I want to prepare the code of FTP in which i set the parameters:
FOR Ascii files
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	MODE S
FOR Binary files
	PASV
	TYPE L8
	STRU F
	MODE S

all these parameters are set on the ctl sockets unfortunately
i am not able to get all file completely, This code get just 
2 MB file from server and not more than 2 MB file from server.

Please help me.

Uzma Siddiqui



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On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Uzma Siddiqui wrote:

> I want to prepare the code of FTP in which i set the parameters:

We're sorry.  The address you have reached is the "pine" discussion
group.  It is not in any way connected with FTP protocols.  Please
check the address and send again (elsewhere) or ask your sysadmin for
assistance.


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  That was just one person at one time, Kathleen. I think you shouldn't
give up so easily. Nonetheless, Norbert Koch's 'suggestion' to first refer
to the documentation, is a good suggestion. Because so much software has,
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Thanks,


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merhaba!
ben halil.
bana turkce mail atabilirmisiniz?
almanca da yazabilirsiniz.
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Has anyone ever seen this error message before?  I'm confused as it only
appears when I try and post a message to a newsgroup, and not when I'm
sending a normal email to anyone.

virtually,

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Hi, can you send me whatever it is I need to convert a binhex file back into
a Normal picture file? 
  I'm most grateful
     Thanks
         Nick

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Yes, I could... Do you have an Apple Power Macintosh?

On Thu, 4 Dec 1997
NickFab4@aol.com wrote:

> Hi, can you send me whatever it is I need to convert a binhex file back into
> a Normal picture file? 
>   I'm most grateful
>      Thanks
>          Nick
> 

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Hello there,

I write since SouthAmerica and would like if somebody help me with a 
question. Just yesterday some joker sent me a lot of MB to my e-mail and 
the pine was so slow and took a lot of time to open the INBOX....After of 
this, it was down. In the third trying i had success and got deleted the 
messages from this stupid joker. But i don't like "jokes" like this.

My question is : HOW COULD I AVOID TO GET BIG MESSAGES IN THE PINE?
Does there is a way to configurate the system so only get the messages 
with the size what i want?

And HOW could i configurate the Pine to avoid some e-mails from some people?
Does there is a way?

I really would love to hear advices!

Thanks.


Ana Paola.


















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>> "A" == ANAPAOLA  <ACOSTA> writes:

A> My question is : HOW COULD I AVOID TO GET BIG MESSAGES IN THE PINE?
A> Does there is a way to configurate the system so only get the
A> messages with the size what i want?

Via your mail transport agent. Ask your local help desk.

A> And HOW could i configurate the Pine to avoid some e-mails from
A> some people?  Does there is a way?

A mail filtering system. Check the pine docs and your local help desk.

Cheers,
Robin


-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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I had attachment that I can not read, because it says " This file must 
be converted with BinHex 4.0". But I have not idea about the BinHex4.0. 
Please help. Thank you very much.

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is there any mean (on the net) to know if a pine address is correctly? 

thank you !!

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Hello,
 my name is Guy Malfait, and I have a small problem.
Is it possible to leave a copy of read messages on the server, so 
I can read them again whem I'm at another computer, using a dial-in?
I'd be grateful if you could give an answer.

Friendly greetings,
 
Guy


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>> "GM" == GUY MALFAIT <GUY.MALFAIT@student.kuleuven.ac.be> writes:

GM> Is it possible to leave a copy of read messages on the server, so I
GM> can read them again whem I'm at another computer, using a dial-in?
GM> I'd be grateful if you could give an answer.

That's not a pine problem, but rather a problem of the mail transport
agent you're using. Talk to your local helpdesk to customize it for
you in a way that does not kill the messages on the server.

Cheers,
Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
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>>>>> "GM" == GUY MALFAIT <GUY.MALFAIT@student.kuleuven.ac.be> writes:

Hi,

 GM> Hello, my name is Guy Malfait, and I have a small problem.  Is it
 GM> possible to leave a copy of read messages on the server, so I can
 GM> read them again whem I'm at another computer, using a dial-in?
 GM> I'd be grateful if you could give an answer.

I don't know whether it is possible to leave a 'copy' of new messages
in the INBOX but, afaik, you can flag the message as new before
leaving pine and keep them in your INBOX.

If you have more than one message, ie a lot :-), which you want to
leave use the aggregate command (;) to select all interesting
files. If it's not already set -> m(ain) -> s(etup) -> c(onfig)

hth, norbert.


-- 
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I recieved a BinHex 4.0 file as an e-mail attaachment.
The sender is using a Mac, I am on MS-Dos, Win95.
Is there a version of BinHex 4.0 available somewhere that would enable
me to read these files?

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BinHex 4.0 is a Macintosh standard for sending binary data (ie, Mac
programs) over different file systems by encoding the binary data
into text data, such that email for example can send a program
over to a PC or Unix or another Macintosh.

Andrew


On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, GABRIEL CHOI wrote:

> I had attachment that I can not read, because it says " This file must 
> be converted with BinHex 4.0". But I have not idea about the BinHex4.0. 
> Please help. Thank you very much.
> 

Andrew Le           (425) 271-9410 phone
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Check to see if WinZip has a  "de-binhex" option...

Good luck,
ANdrew

On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 gld_fsq@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> I recieved a BinHex 4.0 file as an e-mail attaachment.
> The sender is using a Mac, I am on MS-Dos, Win95.
> Is there a version of BinHex 4.0 available somewhere that would enable
> me to read these files?
> 

Andrew Le           (425) 271-9410 phone
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>> "GC" == GABRIEL CHOI <gabriel8899@sprintmail.com> writes:

GC> I had attachment that I can not read, because it says " This file
GC> must be converted with BinHex 4.0". But I have not idea about the
GC> BinHex4.0.  

Difficult question, that one, and it's not in the faq... In fact, it
hasn't been discussed for quite some time. The answer is a simple one,
though: you need a dos tool called fdisk (as in File to Disk). Then
say "fdisk C:".

Robin

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On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 GUY.MALFAIT@student.kuleuven.ac.be wrote:

GM> Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.96.971205151436.-433547F-100000@IPV26072.cc.kuleuven
.ac.be>
GM> From: GUY.MALFAIT@student.kuleuven.ac.be
GM> To: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
GM> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:18:19 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time)
GM> Subject: small question
GM> 
GM> Hello,
GM>  my name is Guy Malfait, and I have a small problem.
GM> Is it possible to leave a copy of read messages on the server, so 
GM> I can read them again whem I'm at another computer, using a dial-in?
GM> I'd be grateful if you could give an answer.
GM> 
GM> Friendly greetings,
GM>  
GM> Guy

If you are also using PC-Pine (or another IMAP email client) on the
computer you are using with a dial-in connection, and your messages are
stored on an IMAP server, the answer is "yes."  (IMAP = Internet Message
Access Protocol.) 

The IMAP folder and folder collection definition syntax for (PC-)Pine is
explained in the context-sensitive help for the "folder-collections"
option in (PC-)Pine's (3.9x) SETUP CONFIGURATION screen, and at
http://www.washington.edu/pine/user-guide/info/imap.syntax.html

When using (PC-)Pine, you can even store your postponed messages on the
IMAP server and thus resume their composition from any computer on which
you are using (PC-)Pine -- with a definition in the SETUP CONFIGURATION
screen of each copy of (PC-)Pine you are using that looks something like:

	postponed-folder = {yourimaphost.yourdomain}mail/postponed-msgs

(By default, the postponed-folder definitions in Pine and PC-Pine are not
the same; and in PC-Pine, the default location of that folder is on the
same computer on which you are running PC-Pine.) 

If you need help with finding out what the name of the IMAP server on
which your mail is stored is, or how to manage your folders on it, contact
the computing support folks of the organization (such as K.U. Leuven) that
provides you with Internet email.

 ------------------------------------------------------------
  Stefan Kramer                   skramer@cac.washington.edu
  The IMAP Connection WWW site:         http://www.imap.org/
  Computing & Communications        University of Washington    
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Hello,

My name is Pamela Kopsas.  I am the manager for a newly reforming band called
RIZEN OSIRIS.  We are an originals band and do cover tunes as well.  Our music
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We want people who love making music and want to make a living at it, but who
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needed).  Candidates must understand that we are absolutely serious and plan
to release a high quality CD within 6 months to a year.  

We have quality music, practice/recording studio, professional management,
contacts, and more gigs as soon as the band is tight enough to play out again.

Candidates must be willing to relocate, take management instruction/direction
from a female manager (non-negotiable) and be respectful of bandmates and band
policies.  We plan to play out locally, regionally and then go national as
opportunities allow.
  
 If you can deal with these boundaries and are interested in auditioning or
know of  someone who might be interested, please email me or send demo tape,
photo, bio etc, to:

   191 Rock Lane
   Highlandville, MO  65669

   Call 417-443-7625

   or email: osirismgr@aol.com 

   You may also check out the band web site at:

http://www.music-monster-network.com/rizen/index.htm



Thanks for your time and keep the music LIVE!
Pamela Kopsas
Manager/Songwriter - Rizen Osiris - your next favorite band to listen to!

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I would like to send files to a friend at University of Birmingham, England.
However, my friend is unable to receive the files using Pegasus mail. I have
tried zipping them but this doesn't seem to work either. Can you help in
any way. Sorry to have bothered you if you can't.

Thanks

Regards
Paul Campbell
SIGMA II Process Engineer, Bridgend Engine Plant
25/115  01656 672511  Fax:01656 672201  usfmern7@ibmmail.com

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On 6 Dec 1997, Paul Campbell wrote:

> I would like to send files to a friend at University of Birmingham, England.
> However, my friend is unable to receive the files using Pegasus mail. I have
> tried zipping them but this doesn't seem to work either. Can you help in
> any way. Sorry to have bothered you if you can't.

Hummm....you have not really supplied enough information for us to help.

However, looking at the headers from your message we see:

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We also notice that no headers indicate what mail UA you use.  As you
may know...this mailing list is about "pine".

I'm guessing that "maybe" your "InterLock" gateway does not support MIME.

You will need to supply more failure indicators.  Can you describe what
the other end is receiving?

Regards,
Ed

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>> "PC" == Paul Campbell <pcampbe8@ford.com> writes:

PC> I would like to send files to a friend at University of Birmingham,
PC> England.  However, my friend is unable to receive the files using
PC> Pegasus mail. I have tried zipping them but this doesn't seem to
PC> work either. Can you help in any way.

If you've followed the instructions pine's online help gives, the
problem is with Pegasus, not pine.

On second thought... Is your friend *unable* to receive them, or to read
them? If he doesn't get them at all, they're probably too big. Many MTAs
are set to a maximum filesize (1MB here e.g.). If he doesn't get them at
all, try splitting the file. I don't have a Dos box here, thank God, but
zip /? should give you the instructions. You might also try arj with the
"-v1000" option (which would create a multi-volume archive with 1MB
chunks).

When all else fails, try ftp. In fact, you should have used ftp in the
first place... The UoB should have an anon FTP server.

Cheers,
Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
Vidi, vici, veni

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Hello,
	I had a question about creating a password to enter my pine
session.. I've looked everywhere in the pine configuration and it does not
seem to appear.. when I go to setup it has Newpassword as an option but
when i  go to that option it states  sh: /bin/passwd not found also I don
not now where to compose commands for passwd do i compose them in my
.pinerc file or do i put an x next to something in the pine configure file
or do i have to create a new file specifically for my password within my
home directory.  I am very confused and would wish detailed explanation on
how to do this.. 



					Thank You..
					Hernando Marceles


P.S. if this is not possible is it then possible to create a lock mail
file so only a certain person can read the messages within that file when
pine is opened up.. I would really appreciate the help.. thanx again


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i want winbiff
my computer cannot find the program...
i think something wrong...
but i don'know what.
so if you send me the winbiff program..
thank you very much..


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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, soyoung,choi wrote:

> i want winbiff
> my computer cannot find the program...
> i think something wrong...
> but i don'know what.
> so if you send me the winbiff program..
> thank you very much..
> 

Is that a song?

What's the tune?!

What is the style?

Is it country, or rap?


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>> "HM" == Hernando Marceles <marceles@rohan.sdsu.edu> writes:

[setting password]

Pine uses your system password. At the command line prompt, try saying
"passwd". If that doesn't work, you'll have to talk to your sysadmin.

HM> P.S. if this is not possible is it then possible to create a lock
HM> mail file so only a certain person can read the messages within
HM> that file when pine is opened up.. I would really appreciate the
HM> help.. thanx again

You can set umask. Check the pine archives, because this subject has
been addressed before, and in quite a heated manner.

Cheers,
Robin

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HI, pine experts,

I'm running pine on SUN-UNIX. However, this week I have some problem to 
use it. When I open the PINE, it shows the information "Opening 
Inbox..." then just stop there. I cann't even quit the pine. Can you 
please give me a help to solve this.


Best Regards

WeiZOu





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Good day,

	Since upgrading from pine 3.91 to pine 3.95 a couple of months ago
I've been getting a core dump by a number of users occasionally.  I
haven't heard any complaint from the users but I've been having to clear
out core files ever since.  Today I ran 'gdb' on one of the core files and
got the following output.
___
Core was generated by `pine3.95'.
Program terminated with signal 8, Arithmetic exception.
#0  0x5598a in ?? ()
(gdb) 
___

Any suggestions?

___________________________                     ____________________
Chris Nolan      SCO A.C.E.                        cnolan@katydid.ca
Katydid Information SystemS                     Tel: +1 613 257-1061
Keeping it Simple for You                       Fax: +1 613 257-8211


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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Zou Wei wrote:

> HI, pine experts,
> 
> I'm running pine on SUN-UNIX. However, this week I have some problem to 
> use it. When I open the PINE, it shows the information "Opening 
> Inbox..." then just stop there. I cann't even quit the pine. Can you 
> please give me a help to solve this.

I've had problems with that, too.  I just call tech support and bug them.
Problem is, they've never figured it out.  Sometimes I'll have it several
times off and on for days, and then nothing for weeks.  Go figure.  I've
even tried using EWAN to log in, let Pine lock up, then log in a second
time and go snooping around for .lock files, but have never found any.

If you do find out anything, send me the results. 

Greg
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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Chris Nolan wrote:

> Good day,
> 
> 	Since upgrading from pine 3.91 to pine 3.95 a couple of months ago
> I've been getting a core dump by a number of users occasionally.  I

That's alright.  Pine 3.91 is better.  Doesn't have annoying behaviour of
cursor up/down past Index screens, which 3.95 has.  n p are no fun.

3.91 is a tad slower, is all.

> haven't heard any complaint from the users but I've been having to clear
> out core files ever since.  Today I ran 'gdb' on one of the core files and
> got the following output.
> ___
> Core was generated by `pine3.95'.
> Program terminated with signal 8, Arithmetic exception.
> #0  0x5598a in ?? ()
> (gdb) 
> ___
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> ___________________________                     ____________________
> Chris Nolan      SCO A.C.E.                        cnolan@katydid.ca
> Katydid Information SystemS                     Tel: +1 613 257-1061
> Keeping it Simple for You                       Fax: +1 613 257-8211
> 



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And what about pine 3.96 ?

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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Andrew Vardy wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Chris Nolan wrote:
> 
> > Good day,
> > 
> > 	Since upgrading from pine 3.91 to pine 3.95 a couple of months ago
> > I've been getting a core dump by a number of users occasionally.  I
> 
> That's alright.  Pine 3.91 is better.  Doesn't have annoying behaviour of
> cursor up/down past Index screens, which 3.95 has.  n p are no fun.
> 
> 3.91 is a tad slower, is all.
> 
> > haven't heard any complaint from the users but I've been having to clear
> > out core files ever since.  Today I ran 'gdb' on one of the core files and
> > got the following output.
> > ___
> > Core was generated by `pine3.95'.
> > Program terminated with signal 8, Arithmetic exception.
> > #0  0x5598a in ?? ()
> > (gdb) 
> > ___
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> > ___________________________                     ____________________
> > Chris Nolan      SCO A.C.E.                        cnolan@katydid.ca
> > Katydid Information SystemS                     Tel: +1 613 257-1061
> > Keeping it Simple for You                       Fax: +1 613 257-8211
> > 
> 
> 
> 

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When i open the e mail file I get the message saying Error saving
configeration in the user/users /pinerc let me know the reasons for the
same and whether it will efect my receiving mail





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>> "Cipl" == Color inks pvt ltd <usnayak@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> writes:

Cipl> When i open the e mail file I get the message saying Error
Cipl> saving configeration in the user/users /pinerc let me know the
Cipl> reasons for the same 

Badly configured site. Talk to your sysadmin.

Cipl> and whether it will efect my receiving mail

No. But you cannot save changes you make to your configuration.

Robin

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Hi !
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Hi again,
>Hi !
>I`m a german student and want to change from the US-ASCII-standard in the
>ISO-8859-1 german standard. Do you have any hints?

This procedure should do:

Choice		type

main menu	m
setup		s
config		c
where is	w
search		character-set<enter>
			(strange enough, this field really menas
			that you can choose the character-set her.
			you might equally be surprised at the
			context-sensitive help-text by typing '?')

change value	c		(if empty: addvalue a)
type		ISO-8859-1<enter>
exit setup	e
commit changes	y

'adele' and regards,


hal *<:-)
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P.S. Have you ever tried the Pine-homepages and FAQ ?
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	I am a student at University of Maryland and we have the pine
system.  However I check my mail through Netscape.  When I try to check my
mail there I get the following message: "Pop server responded, Unable 
to process From lines (envelopes), cjange recgonition codes."  Then I 
tried to check my mail in pine and all the messages are getting sent
into one read only inbo - there is no separation of messages.  When I
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read only.  HELP!  What can I do?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!

-GAIL
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>> "GAK" == Gail A Kornberger <gak@wam.umd.edu> writes:

GAK> I am a student at University of Maryland and we have the pine
GAK> system.  However I check my mail through Netscape.  When I try to
GAK> check my mail there I get the following message: "Pop server
GAK> responded, Unable to process From lines (envelopes), cjange
GAK> recgonition codes."  Then I tried to check my mail in pine and
GAK> all the messages are getting sent into one read only inbo - there
GAK> is no separation of messages.

Bad. Something messed up your inbox file.

GAK> When I tried to delete the whole file, it told me I couldn't
GAK> because it was read only.

Have your admin solve this problem. 

GAK> HELP!  What can I do?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
GAK> Thanks!!


-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Microsoft isn't the answer.
Microsoft is the question and the answer is no.

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By accident, I encrypted my sent-mail and received folders using "vi -x".
Is there any way I can still use these folders with pine?  

_______________________________________________________________________________                        
                              Vaddiraju S. Anand
               Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
                     Tolentine Hall, Villanova University       
                            800  Lancaster Avenue
                            Villanova, PA  19085
                         United States of America
 
Office:                                                              Home: 
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Telephone:  (610) 519 6177                        United States of America 
Telefax  :  (610) 519 6118                       Telephone: (610) 688 3760
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This past summer we changed our server and updated to SCO UNIX 5.1.1.
Before the change, our bounce command worked fine.  The
enable-bounce-command is turned on for the system.  Now when we bounce a
message, it comes back to whomever bounced it, and does not go to the
intended recipient.  When it comes back to the bounce sender it appears
with:
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	Resent-From: bounce originator's e-mail address
	Resent-To: intended bounce recipient's e-mail address

Bounced message appears here.  
Can you give me any helpful hints?

Sincerely,

Lorie L. Land
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>> "VSA" == Vaddiraju S Anand <anand@ece.vill.edu> writes:

VSA> By accident, I encrypted my sent-mail and received folders using
VSA> "vi -x".  Is there any way I can still use these folders with
VSA> pine?

Are we talking about the same "vi" here?

-x (Amiga only) Vim is not restarted to open a new window.  This
   option should be used when Vim is executed by a program that will
   wait for the edit session to finish (e.g. mail).  The ":sh" and
   ":!" commands will not work.

What's vi -x supposed to do?

Robin

-- 
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On 9 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> >> "VSA" == Vaddiraju S Anand <anand@ece.vill.edu> writes:
> 
> VSA> By accident, I encrypted my sent-mail and received folders using
> VSA> "vi -x".  Is there any way I can still use these folders with
> VSA> pine?
> 
> Are we talking about the same "vi" here?
> 
> -x (Amiga only) Vim is not restarted to open a new window.  This
>    option should be used when Vim is executed by a program that will
>    wait for the edit session to finish (e.g. mail).  The ":sh" and
>    ":!" commands will not work.
> 
> What's vi -x supposed to do?

"vi -x" is used to encrypt a file.  It asks for a 'key' when you try to
open a file in that mode.  Once the 'key' is set, that particular file has
to be opened with the key, whenever it is used.  And I did that by
accident, with the "sent-mail"  and "received" folders.  Now when I try to
open "sent-mail" or "received" while using pine, it says "Cannot display
this part........"  I want to know if there is some way of opening
encrypted folders/files while using pine.

Thanks.

Anand 



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Also could just be simply that you have exceeded your disk quota on your
system, although you would possibly get an error saying this.

Ed


On 9 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> >> "Cipl" == Color inks pvt ltd <usnayak@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> writes:
> 
> Cipl> When i open the e mail file I get the message saying Error
> Cipl> saving configeration in the user/users /pinerc let me know the
> Cipl> reasons for the same 
> 
> Badly configured site. Talk to your sysadmin.
> 
> Cipl> and whether it will efect my receiving mail
> 
> No. But you cannot save changes you make to your configuration.
> 
> Robin
> 
> -- 
> Robin S. Socha M.A.
> "On a normal ascii line, the only safe condition to detect is a 'BREAK'
> - everything else having been assigned functions by Gnu EMACS."
> (By Tarl Neustaedter)
> 


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On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Lorie Land wrote:

> This past summer we changed our server and updated to SCO UNIX 5.1.1.
> Before the change, our bounce command worked fine.  The
> enable-bounce-command is turned on for the system.  Now when we bounce a
> message, it comes back to whomever bounced it, and does not go to the
> intended recipient.  When it comes back to the bounce sender it appears
> with:
> 	Resent-Date: (filled in correctly)
> 	Resent-From: bounce originator's e-mail address
> 	Resent-To: intended bounce recipient's e-mail address
> 
> Bounced message appears here.  
> Can you give me any helpful hints?

It depends on what mail transport agent (MTA) was configured when the new
OpenServer 5 system was installed (sure the release wasn't 5.0.0, 5.0.2 or
5.0.4?)  Although you can select "sendmail" during the installation setup,
the MTA being installed by default continues to be "MMDF".

In Pine's default configuration, it tries to send the mail by executing a
binary called /usr/lib/sendmail. Even though MMDF installs such a program,
that merely is a front-end to MMDF. This front-end works reasonably well
but it seems to have problems with the less used options like Bcc:, Lcc: 
and, you guessed it, the bounce option. 

Because the SMTP server implementation _is_ capable of correctly handling
these options, the solution can be as simple as setting the "smtp-server"
field in Pine's configuration to "localhost" (providing that this field is
currently blank).

Give it a try and see if it works!

> Lorie L. Land

Regards,

- Richard Gering.

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The following is supposedly a quote from a Pat Conroy novel.  Can anyone
tell me which one?  "Each divorce is the death of a small civilization.
Two people declare war on each other, and their screams and tears infect
their entire world with the bacilli of their pain:...."


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SOS

I got an email from a UK University. I tried to read the attachment
which type is application/ms-tnef, but I failed to. It is my application
form, which is very important and imminent to me.

Please teach me the way.

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>From: jindae lim <ljd2639@assembly.go.kr>
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:47:49 +0900

>I got an email from a UK University. I tried to read the attachment
>which type is application/ms-tnef, but I failed to. It is my application
>form, which is very important and imminent to me.

>Please teach me the way.

It means that someone produced a document in Rich Text Format using a Microsoft
product. RTF is a proprietary standard.

You must contact them again and ask that they send it to you as plain text.

Others on this list might be tempted to comment on the kind of education you
could get from a university that sends documents via the Internet using
formatting that a receipient is unable to use, but I won't.


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From: "Fernando Segovia - Fac. Human. y Artes" <fsegovia@agatha.unr.edu.ar>
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Necesito operar el Pine en mi PC (win95), pero sin conexion. ya que mi 
Universidad me provee solo una conexion telefonica de terminal.
La idea es escribir el correo off-line, luego pedir "Postpone" y 
finalmente transferir el "ppnd-msgs", sobreescribiendo el folder del 
mismo nombre correspondiente a mi cuenta en la Universidad.
El problema es que no pude ni intentarlo, porque al pedir "Compose"(en el 
Pine 3.96 que instale en mi PC) me dice que no puede hacerlo porque no 
tiene folder de mail "Inbox" para abrir. Y no se como crearlo.
Deseo evitar tener que escribir conectado (como en este momento).
Desde ya muchisimas gracias por la ayuda que me puedan brindar.

Nota: Si es necesario escribanme en su idioma. Creo que lo dificil es 
expresarse en una lengua ajena, no tanto entenderla.
Nuevamente gracias.

Fernando Segovia

                   fsegovia@agatha.unr.edu.ar
                      ROSARIO - ARGENTINA



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Red Hat 5.0 is the first production Linux distribution to use
the glibc library with true multithreading.

The version of Pine 3.96 distributed with Red Hat 5.0 has the
problem that when you are in Pico and ispell and exit ispell
it crashes and you have to kill Pine leaving ispell as a zombie
process.

An analogous problem happens when using vi as alternate editor.
Upon exit from vi, Pine crashes leaving vi as a zombie.

The Red Hat distribution of Pine include patches which enable
Pine to compile under glibc. I presume these patches were developed
by Red Hat. I have brought the problem to Red Hat's attention,
but they have not resolved it to date.

Can any of the Pine developers shed light on this problem?

Pine with vi is my main mailreader and I use it exclusively
on Linux.

Dwight Johnson




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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Dwight Johnson wrote:

> Red Hat 5.0 is the first production Linux distribution to use
> the glibc library with true multithreading.
> 
> The version of Pine 3.96 distributed with Red Hat 5.0 has the
> problem that when you are in Pico and ispell and exit ispell
> it crashes and you have to kill Pine leaving ispell as a zombie
> process.
> 
> An analogous problem happens when using vi as alternate editor.
> Upon exit from vi, Pine crashes leaving vi as a zombie.

Sam Trenholme has just posted a fix for this at:

 http://samiam.org/BlackDragon

Dwight


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>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

HL> unsubscribe

No, I won't }:->

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As I can name without even taking a breathing pause at least 10 guys that
had the same bad luck at least once, I think it's worth asking. 

TIA for any answer.

I have a _normal_ Unix mail account I use quite happily.

Mostly through a PC (with Windows, of course...) and through a Term
App+Unix Pine.

I need the mail staying on the server, as I occasionally have to see it
from other locations, wherefrom I cannot acces my 'standard' PC.

Trying to see the whatabouts with Outlook Express, at setup time I just
forgot for a second that for such purposes I usually use another (test) 
account. 

The moment I finished the setup, I knew the catastrophy is perfect: all my
mail from the server came down to my PC - and I see no way to put it
back... Some of the messages can of course be deleted without regrets; but
some of them should find their way in the folders they belong into, on the
Unix server. 

Forwarding each message to the standard address to have it back is not a
solution: I'd loose the original "From: " part of the message in what
pine shows when displaying all messages, so it would become even more
painful to decide on each message after that. 

Does anyone know a solution to this? Just putting back into Pine's folder
what Outlook has stolen from it...?

Iosif Fettich
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Iosif Fettich wrote:

> The moment I finished the setup, I knew the catastrophy is perfect: all my
> mail from the server came down to my PC - and I see no way to put it
> back... Some of the messages can of course be deleted without regrets; but
> some of them should find their way in the folders they belong into, on the
> Unix server. 
> 
> Forwarding each message to the standard address to have it back is not a
> solution: I'd loose the original "From: " part of the message in what
> pine shows when displaying all messages, so it would become even more
> painful to decide on each message after that. 
> 
> Does anyone know a solution to this? Just putting back into Pine's folder
> what Outlook has stolen from it...?

You are in trouble since Outlook does not have a "bounce" feature.  It
also does not have the ability to "export" the mailbox in plaintext nor
does it store it in the "standard" way as you would find it on a Unix
platform.

So, you *may* be luck to have a system admin doing "backups" nightly.
You could ask them to restore.

Ed

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Environment: SunOS Release 5.5 Version Generic (Solaris 2.4)
C compiler:  gcc version 2.7.2

At the tail end of the build (started with a "./build
CC=/usr/local/bin/gcc sol" ; I also tried substituting gso for sol, but
with no better results).  The error messages I received at the end of
the compile said: 
-=-=-=
signals.c: In function `posix_signal':
signals.c:1066: storage size of `new_action' isn't known
signals.c:1066: storage size of `old_action' isn't known
signals.c: In function `posix_sigunblock':
signals.c:1083: `sigset_t' undeclared (first use this function)
signals.c:1083: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
signals.c:1083: for each function it appears in.)
signals.c:1083: parse error before `sig_mask'
signals.c:1085: `sig_mask' undeclared (first use this function)
gmake: *** [signals.o] Error 1

Links to executables are in bin directory:
./build: size: not found
Done
# 
-=-=-=
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should try and change/do
next?  Only pico and pilot were successfully compiled during this run.

virtually,

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i would you to send me some information about pine.


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>> "sh" == sandy howe <j56n295i@J56N295I.COM> writes:

sh> i would you to send me some information about pine.

man pine | grep www

    <http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine.html>

    <www.dejanews.com>

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Hi, 

I'm using pine 3.95 an DG/UX.
Whenever I receive an image.gif attatchment, 
It shows under the catch-all "application/octet-stream"

What do I need to do to get .gif attachments to
show up as "image/gif" ?

Note: .jpg attachments work fine...

Please resopnd directly, as I am not on the list.
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How do I print with pine??  Ive configured it and use ansi, yet it
doesnt print.  What do I need to do to print? Thank you very much!!

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Well I would recommend rechecking that it attached to ansi and then ask
your tech support people.  It might be a number of things. (Decides not to
rant about generalized problems)

Brian Nisonger
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Daniel Walker wrote:

> How do I print with pine??  Ive configured it and use ansi, yet it
> doesnt print.  What do I need to do to print? Thank you very much!!
> 


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>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

    HL> unsubscribe
    RS> No, I won't }:->

Please? =)

Matt

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>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:
>>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
>>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

HL> unsubscribe
RS> No, I won't }:->
MS> Please? =)[1]

Any other opinions?

Robin

Footnotes: 
[1]  bbdb still doesn't elide properly. You should be hacking instead
     of mailing.

-- 
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Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
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>>>>> "Robin" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:

 >>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:
 >>>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
 >>>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

 HL> unsubscribe
 RS> No, I won't }:->
 MS> Please? =)[1]

 Robin> Any other opinions?

Well yes, leave'm in the dark and use the spare time to add some lisp
code to, eg bbdb :-)

 Robin> Footnotes: [1] bbdb still doesn't elide properly. You should
 Robin> be hacking instead of mailing.

norbert.

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Not bad... anyone got the address right - I can't figure it out...

Robin - puzzled

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>> Regarding Re: complaint; Norbert Koch <norbert.koch@delta-ii.de> adds:
>>>>>> "Robin" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
>>>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:
>>>>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
>>>>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

HL> unsubscribe
RS> No, I won't }:->
MS> Please? =)
Robin> Any other opinions?
nobbi> Well yes, leave'm in the dark and use the spare time to add
nobbi> some lisp code to, eg bbdb :-)

He's too far away. Matt, come over here!

Robin

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> You are in trouble since Outlook does not have a "bounce" feature.  It
> also does not have the ability to "export" the mailbox in plaintext nor
> does it store it in the "standard" way as you would find it on a Unix
> platform.
Outlook (from Office 97)does have a feature to export the file to a
comma-separated file.
Assuming all the appropriate fields were included in a logical format, you
could conceivably write a program to rebuild a mail spool from that export
file.  I have been unable to confirm this, as the export option on my
Outlook is broken.  If you manage to get the spool file exported, but
can't tell if it is in a viable format, or can't write the program to
convert, or whatever, you can mail it to me (if you want) and I will see
what I can do :)

> So, you *may* be luck to have a system admin doing "backups" nightly.
> You could ask them to restore.
Ya, there's always that option :)

Pat


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please unsubscribe

-----Original Message-----
From:	Robin S. Socha [SMTP:robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de]
Sent:	Thursday, December 11, 1997 2:47 AM
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Subject:	Re: complaint

>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:
>>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
>>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

HL> unsubscribe
RS> No, I won't }:->
MS> Please? =)[1]

Any other opinions?

Robin

Footnotes: 
[1]  bbdb still doesn't elide properly. You should be hacking instead
     of mailing.

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
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>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:
>>>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
>>>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:
>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:
HL> unsubscribe
RS> No, I won't }:->
MS> Please? =)[1]
HL> Any other opinions?
HL> please unsubscribe

Ok. It's been nice here with you...

Robin

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outside"                                               (Linus Torvalds)

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> > You are in trouble since Outlook does not have a "bounce" feature.  It
> > also does not have the ability to "export" the mailbox in plaintext nor
> > does it store it in the "standard" way as you would find it on a Unix
> > platform.
> Outlook (from Office 97)does have a feature to export the file to a
> comma-separated file.
> Assuming all the appropriate fields were included in a logical format, you
> could conceivably write a program to rebuild a mail spool from that export
> file.  I have been unable to confirm this, as the export option on my
> Outlook is broken.  If you manage to get the spool file exported, but
> can't tell if it is in a viable format, or can't write the program to
> convert, or whatever, you can mail it to me (if you want) and I will see
> what I can do :)

Oh, be careful....  You are offering progarmming services for free.... ;-)

Sounds like a lot of trouble....of course I'm not the one with the problem
so it is easy for me to say.  :-)
 
> > So, you *may* be luck to have a system admin doing "backups" nightly.
> > You could ask them to restore.
> Ya, there's always that option :)

Then there is S.O.L. or start using Outlook.  (Humm, isn't that the same 
thing?)  I'll not dwell on the subject but my opinion of that UA is that it 
should be renamed...  "LookOut!"  or "OutHouse".  :-) :-)

Regards,
Ed

BTW, the opinions expressed here are certainly my own without benifit of a cup 
of coffee.



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I'm REALLY new at this so please excuse if it's simple and
I should already know, etc... BUT everybody's yelling at me
and I don't know what to do !!

After a reboot and some system configuration changes
(And an fsck on /var)  EVERYBODY is getting "READONLY"
on their INBOXES... I'm checking the permissions in
/var/mail but I don't know what else to do

Does anybody have a clue.

Thanks so much.....
__________________________________________________________________
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>> "LS" == Lynne Seamans <LSEAMANS@MU3.MILLERSV.EDU> writes:

Ok, I tried to unsubscribe, but it wouldn't work...

LS> I'm REALLY new at this so please excuse if it's simple and I
LS> should already know, etc... BUT everybody's yelling at me and I
LS> don't know what to do !!

Hit them over the head with a MS-handbook.

LS> After a reboot and some system configuration changes (And an fsck
LS> on /var) EVERYBODY is getting "READONLY" on their INBOXES... I'm
LS> checking the permissions in /var/mail but I don't know what else
LS> to do

say 

	strace -o dumpfile pine

then do:

	man find
	man chmod
	man xargs
	man sh

or are you having stale lockfiles by the dozen? XEmacs makes a
beatiful man-browser: M-x manual-entry. You might also try KDE's
KDE-help for this. KDE kicks butt big time.

Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody. It doesn't generate revenue.
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On 10 Dec 1997, Matt Simmons wrote:

>     HL> unsubscribe
>     RS> No, I won't }:->
> 
> Please? =)

Isn't this a No Begging Zone?  

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Accessing a mailbox on MS Exchange Server 5.5 works without a problem, 
however, folders (other than INBOX) do not appear in the folder list. 
 Folders can be created in Pines' folder list, but dissapear when 
re-entering the list.  These folders do appear in another IMAP client 
(windows client) and the exchange client.  I can use "G"oto Folder command 
and manual enter the folder, and all messages appear, etc.  The main 
problem is that folders do not appear in the list!!

Help!!

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I am having a problem accessing users folders from pine.  I can create 
folders in pine that actually show up in other imap clients, but will not 
show in the pine folder list.   I can also use Pines' goto folder command 
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and all, but just cannot see a list of folders besides inbox.

in pine config i have the proper {host:143}[] setting for 
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I have lost all my mail in the INBOX.  Could you please fix it?
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Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on the
telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....


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>> "MH" == Michael Holzberg <Michael@executive-pi.com> writes:

MH> Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on
MH> the telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

No, it's octo. As in octopus. 

Ummm... is this really the pine list? I've got more requests for
mailbombs, name changes and squid than anything else.

Robin - puzzled

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>>>>> "RSS" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:

 >>> "MH" == Michael Holzberg <Michael@executive-pi.com> writes:
 MH> Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on
 MH> the telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

 RSS> No, it's octo. As in octopus.

 RSS> Ummm... is this really the pine list? I've got more requests for
 RSS> mailbombs, name changes and squid than anything else.

Oh Robin, 

you misunderstand the purpose of this list - it's an *info* list in
the first place ;-) After we've waded through all these, quite
interesting and thought provoking topics, we'll might be enlighted by
a reosnable (technical) pine question ... "how do I change the default
From: header line?" }8-)

 RSS> Robin - puzzled

just my 2p, norbert

Btw, where's your X-Attribution entry for f*'s sake? I don't want to
set it up by hand :-)

-- 
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a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!

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>> "NK" == Norbert Koch <norbert.koch@delta-ii.de> writes:
>>>>>> "RSS" == Robin S Socha <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
>>>> "MH" == Michael Holzberg <Michael@executive-pi.com> writes:

RSS> Ummm... is this really the pine list? I've got more requests for
RSS> mailbombs, name changes and squid than anything else.
NK> you misunderstand the purpose of this list - it's an *info* qlist
NK> in the first place ;-) After we've waded through all these, quite
NK> interesting and thought provoking topics, we'll might be enlighted
NK> by a reasonable (technical) pine question ... "how do I change the
NK> default From: header line?" }8-)

Yo Norbert! 

Lo and behold, I just solved the magic from-line mystery. Too bad Ray
Cu**ings isn't on this list anymore. The answer is qmail as a sendmail
replacement.

NK> Btw, where's your X-Attribution entry for f*'s sake? I don't want
NK> to set it up by hand :-)

It's a super-cite thing. You can tell it to disobey the X-attribution.
Mine is right here, though:

(setq  message-news-headers ;;* or message-mail-headers...
       "X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/
       X-PGP-Fingerprint: F1 9F 15 68 23 52 BC 9A  E8 B6 9C C2 BC 6C 67 6C
       X-Attribution: Robin
")

Neato-clean solution courtesy of Hrvoje Niksic. Check my .emacs right
here -> <http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/xemacs.html> Too bad
pine doesn't have clickable urls. Heheheee... 

Have a nice weekend all,
Robin

-- 
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It _is_ user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly.

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--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 8:48 am -0500 "Michael Holzberg"
<Michael@executive-pi.com> wrote: 

> Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on the
> telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

Sigh.  I wish people would stop confusing these two quite distinct
characters.

I am pretty certain the difficulty originates (probably!) with the =
Americans
when the invented the basic ASCII character set (character codes 0..127). 
Whilst they carefully included their own dollar sign no provision was made
for currency symbols of other countries.

Consequently most printer manufacturers built different character sets =
into
their printers that would usurp one or more of the basic character set and
replace them with country-specific alternatives.  This was originally =
under
the control of DIP switches, and later could be switched under software.

In particular the character which looks something like this:

        |  |
      --+--+--
        |  |            <-- The "number sign", usually called "hash" here
      --+--+--              in England or, for those of a musical turn,
"sharp".
        |  |

usually could be switched to instead be printed as something which looks
(vaguely) like this (bigger only because it is more difficult to draw with
ASCII graphics:

        ,---.
       |    /
     --+----
       |
     --+--              <-- The "pound sign", representing the currency =
used
     --+--                  here in England (Scotland, Wales, etc)
       |
   ,---+.
  |    | \
   \__/   \___ 

It is unfortunate that the result seems to be that the "hash" symbol seems
to have become permanently engrained into foreign minds that it "is" the
"pound sign".  It really isn't: it was just what we had to use before the
_true_ pound sign became available.

Even now the problem remains because whilst my Macintosh keyboard provides
both hash (#) and pound sign (=A3) characters whether they actually =
_appear_
different depends very much on whether my message has got through to your
system with 8-bit ASCII characters intact (the second, real, pound sign in
the second line of this paragraph will probably have an ASCII code greater
than 127).  Even if it _has_ got through you may not see it (at all, or as
the "curly-L" pound sign as this depends on your terminal's chosen =
character
set and mapping!

Sigh.

-- 
Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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>From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:26:13 +0000

>--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 8:48 am -0500 "Michael Holzberg"
><Michael@executive-pi.com> wrote: 

>>Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on the
>>telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

So your DTMF dial pad lacks one of

>        |  |
>      --+--+--
>        |  |
>      --+--+--
>        |  |

using this instead?

>        ,---.
>       |    /
>     --+----
>       |
>     --+--
>     --+--
>       |
>   ,---+.
>  |    | \
>   \__/   \___
>
>It is unfortunate that the result seems to be that the "hash" symbol seems
>to have become permanently engrained into foreign minds that it "is" the
>"pound sign".  It really isn't: it was just what we had to use before the
>_true_ pound sign became available.


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On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:

MB> It is unfortunate that the result seems to be that the "hash" symbol seems
MB> to have become permanently engrained into foreign minds that it "is" the
MB> "pound sign".  It really isn't: it was just what we had to use before the
MB> _true_ pound sign became available.

Sorry to continue this off-topic discussion, but I just though I would
add a little more confusion to the mix.  In the US, the "hash" symbol
is also used to refer to "pound" as the measure of weight.  Thus we
really do use the right word, but with a different definition! 



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work...  Well, the laugh was on me!  Within two weeks she had received over 50
responses.  Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills!  I was
shocked!  I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work.  I
AM a believer now.  I have joined Doris in her "hobby."   I did have seven
more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for
me.  We owe it all to MLM.
           Frank T., Bel-Air, MD

    I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you.  Any
doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in.  I even checked
with the U.S.  Post Office to verify that the plan was legal.  It definitely
is!  IT WORKS!!!
           Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC

    The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is
honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of
money in a short time.  I was approached several times before I checked this
out.  I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal
effort and money required.  To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the
first 14 weeks, with money still coming in.
           Sincerely yours, Phillip A.  Brown, Esq.

    Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind
to participate in this plan.  But conservative that I am, I decided that the
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get enough orders to at least get my money back.  Boy, was I surprised when I
found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders!  For awhile, it got
so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window.  I'll make
more money this year than any 10 years of my life before.  The nice thing
about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S.  The people live.
There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return.
         Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI

    I had received this program before.  I deleted it, but later I wondered if
I shouldn't have given it a try.  Of course, I had no idea who to contact to
get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program.  11
months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than
$41,000 on the first try!!
           Wilburn, Muncie, IN

     This is my third time to participate in this plan.  We have quit our
jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our
money.  The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do
it.  For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden
opportunity.  Good luck and happy spending!
           Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA

                             ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET 
                                       STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO
                                            FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!!



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I have never used an email forwarding client but would like to.  Can you
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PICO - WHENVER WE READ A FILE IN, IT GOES TO THE END FILE FIRST.

TO GET TO THE TOP, WE HAVE TO PAGE UP WHICH IS CUMBERSOME...WHEN
YOUR DOCUMENT IS LONG...

CAN GET TO THE TOP OF FILE (DOCUMENT) WITH JUST 1 OR 2 COMMANDS

PLS ADVISE
THANKS




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>From: aeh0001@ibm.net
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:06:51 +1000 (EET)

>PICO - WHENVER WE READ A FILE IN, IT GOES TO THE END FILE FIRST.

>TO GET TO THE TOP, WE HAVE TO PAGE UP WHICH IS CUMBERSOME...WHEN
>YOUR DOCUMENT IS LONG...

>CAN GET TO THE TOP OF FILE (DOCUMENT) WITH JUST 1 OR 2 COMMANDS

>PLS ADVISE

PLEASE TAKE YOUR FINGER OFF THE SHIFT KEY.

Ah, that's better.

The top-of-document command is ^w,^y. The end-of-document command is ^w,^v.


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>>>>> "MH" == Michael Holzberg <Michael@executive-pi.com> writes:

    MH> Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol
    MH> on the telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

You were thinking perhaps of octothorpe?

Matt

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>> "a" == aeh0001  <aeh0001@ibm.net> writes:

a> PICO 

NO, MY NAME IS ROBIN.

a> WHENVER WE READ A FILE IN, IT GOES TO THE END FILE FIRST.  TO GET
a> TO THE TOP, WE HAVE TO PAGE UP WHICH IS CUMBERSOME...WHEN YOUR
a> DOCUMENT IS LONG...  CAN GET TO THE TOP OF FILE (DOCUMENT) WITH
a> JUST 1 OR 2 COMMANDS

YES, YOU CAN. FIX YOU FSCKED UP KEYBOARD AND SAY "man pico".

[20 s later]

THEN START CURSING BECAUSE PICO IS NOT DOCUMENTED. SAY C-w C-v OR C-w
C-y TO GO TO THE TOP OR BOTTOM OF DOCUMENT.

Robin - now deaf

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>> "RMH" == Rebecca M Hart <rhart@runet.edu> writes:

RMH> I have never used an email forwarding client but would like to.
RMH> Can you help me get started?

ALIASES(5)            UNIX Programmer's Manual                 ALIASES(5)

NAME
     aliases - aliases file for sendmail

SYNOPSIS
     aliases

DESCRIPTION

     This file describes user ID aliases used by /usr/sbin/sendmail. The
     file resides in /etc and is formatted as a series of lines of the
     form

           name: name_1, name2, name_3, . . .

     The name is the name to alias, and the name_n are the aliases for
     that name.  Lines beginning with white space are continuation
     lines.  Lines beginning with `#' are comments.

     Aliasing occurs only on local names.  Loops can not occur, since
     no mes- sage will be sent to any person more than once.

     After aliasing has been done, local and valid recipients who
     have a ``.forward'' file in their home directory have messages
     forwarded to the list of users defined in that file.

     This is only the raw data file; the actual aliasing information is
     placed into a binary format in the file /etc/aliases.db using the
     program newaliases(1).  A newaliases command should be executed each
     time the aliases file is changed for the change to take effect.

SEE ALSO
     newaliases(1),  dbopen(3),  dbm(3),  sendmail(8)

     SENDMAIL Installation and Operation Guide.

     SENDMAIL An Internetwork Mail Router.

BUGS
     If you have compiled sendmail with DBM support instead of NEWDB,
     you may have encountered problems in dbm(3) restricting a single
     alias to about 1000 bytes of information.  You can get longer
     aliases by ``chaining''; that is, make the last name in the alias
     be a dummy name which is a con- tinuation alias.

HISTORY
     The aliases file format appeared in 4.0BSD.
4th Berkeley Distribution      December 11, 1993                             1


Now - start!

Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
One question: How come the .44 magnum is the worlds only usable point
and click interface ?					     Alan Cox

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On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 aeh0001@ibm.net wrote:

> PICO - WHENVER WE READ A FILE IN, IT GOES TO THE END FILE FIRST.
> 
> TO GET TO THE TOP, WE HAVE TO PAGE UP WHICH IS CUMBERSOME...WHEN
> YOUR DOCUMENT IS LONG...
> 
> CAN GET TO THE TOP OF FILE (DOCUMENT) WITH JUST 1 OR 2 COMMANDS
> 

Yes.

And you can also read help when you type ^G.

That can answer all these questions.

Also, suppose Pico did not provide a way to go to the beginning.  You
could still use a term macro to help.  Entering one like:  ^Y^Y^Y^Y^Y^Y

[Forget 'man pico'.  That won't answer any questions.]

> PLS ADVISE
> THANKS
> 
> 
> 



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How can I check my email from a different location?
rob@pclink.com

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can you tell me how to download this application?
            Thank!

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     - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
       http://www.washington.edu/pine/

     - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
       documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

     - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
       also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
       (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
       folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
            *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]
    

The messages from this mailing list are archived.  These archives can be 
accessed:

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        on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

     - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

     - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
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       choose Add Value) as:
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Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine 
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http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ 
  or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service
Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine.  Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you.  (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Dec 14 03:00:06 PST 1997

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>> "DCM" == Donald Chance Mark <dcmjr@pclink.com> writes:

DCM> How can I check my email from a different location?

With a modem and and a popclient, unless you have IMAP.

Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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>> "GD" == Geronimo D'Amico <gerodami@netverk.com.ar> writes:

GD> can you tell me how to download this application?  Thank!

Hold the left mouse button pressed while clicking on the url. But you
probably mean "save", not "download", right? Follow the instructions
that pine gives you: View, then Save. All this is explained in detail
in the pine docs.

Robin

-- 
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The spaceship shuddered.  Captain Wilson saw his navigator cringing
from a suddenly blue screen.  Damn it.  If they survived this, a
certain Redmond, USA, earth would find itself in hot plasma...

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Hi,

I would like to know how I can have a talk session with someone either on
the same server or another one as myself.

For example
My email : rahlhnda@giasdla.vsnl.net.in
My sis   : psahi@giasdla.vsnl.net.in
My friend: slsr7@cc.usu.edu

1) How do I initiate a talk session with my sis?
   Is there any way in which I can know whether she is logged on or not?
   How do I know whether (if she has issued the command) someone wants to
   talk to me?

2) How do I initiate a talk session with my friend?
   Is there any way in which I can know whether he is logged on or not?
   How do I know whether (if he has issued the command) someone wants to
   talk to me?
 
Thanks a lot

Rahul Handa
B-28 West Nizamuddin
New Delhi - 110 013

Phone : 91-11-4601918
Telefax : 91-11-4619580

E-Mail : handa/delhi@dartmail.dartnet.com
         rahlhnda@giasdla.vsnl.net.in


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I've got to UNSUBSCRIBE in the Next 24 hours!!!


This email  doesn't tell me how to unsubscribe.  plse advise. thank you.

No browser on my computer.

thank you.
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Sun, 14 Dec 1997
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> 
> This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
> aid readers in finding information about Pine.  Before sending questions 
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> 
> The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
> help.  Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, 
> Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are 
> available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be 
> accessed:
> 
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>        http://www.washington.edu/pine/
> 
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>        documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.
> 
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> If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
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> Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
> provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
> using, Pine.  Because system functions and configuration can vary from
> site to site, they are best qualified to assist you.  (Due to the large
> number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
> cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
> organizations.)
> 
> Sun Dec 14 03:00:06 PST 1997
> 
>  -----------------------------------
>   Pine development and support team
>   University of Washington        
>   Computing & Communications        
>  -----------------------------------
> 
> 


Regards 


John de Boer
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Hi, 

 I just wondered if there was a place to post to for what you would like to
see in future releases of PINE? If there is please let me know.

Thanks



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On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Eric Beyer wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
>  I just wondered if there was a place to post to for what you would like to
> see in future releases of PINE? If there is please let me know.

You can send suggestions to the Pine Development Team at this address:

Pine Developers <pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu>


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dear info center,
	hi. i am having trouble with my account.  it seems that i am
unable to receive new mail becaue i've exceeded my disk file.  what should
i do?  i am not very familiar with this system.  if you could please help.
please respond to tlee@mary.fordham.edu. i can get the message from there.
thank you very much.

tammy


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--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 12:04 pm -0600 "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.chinet.com> wrote: 

>>From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
>>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:26:13 +0000
> 
>>--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 8:48 am -0500 "Michael Holzberg"
>><Michael@executive-pi.com> wrote: 
> 
>>>Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on the
>>>telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....
> 
> So your DTMF dial pad lacks one of
> 
>>        |  |
>>      --+--+--
>>        |  |
>>      --+--+--
>>        |  |

The standard UK dial pad includes both the above ("hash") and asterisk
("star" in British Telecom-speak).


--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 11:59 am -0800 "David L Miller"
<dlm@cac.washington.edu> wrote: 

> Sorry to continue this off-topic discussion, but I just though I would
> add a little more confusion to the mix.  In the US, the "hash" symbol
> is also used to refer to "pound" as the measure of weight.  Thus we
> really do use the right word, but with a different definition!

Gentle groan of understanding!  (So what do they use in the US to indicate
"a number"?)

Here in the UK "#" (hash) is usually used to indicate a number, whereas "lb"
indicates the unit of weight known as a pound, and the "curly-L" I tried to
draw before is the "pound" unit of currency.  Perhaps this is yet another
explanation for the continued confusion (I and, I suspect, a lot of Brits
have never heard of Americans using "#" to indicate a unit of weight! 
Incidentally the confusion deepends as my American colleague has never heard
of the convention of using "#" (hash) to represent a weight!)

[For those of an entymological nature I am informed that "lb" comes from the
Latin "libre": something to do with weight apparently.]

Cheers,

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>> "TL" == Tammy Lee <tl182@columbia.edu> writes:

TL> i am having trouble with my account.  it seems that i am unable to
TL> receive new mail becaue i've exceeded my disk file.  what should i
TL> do?

Delete files you don't need.

TL> i am not very familiar with this system.

Have someone delete files you don't need.

TL> if you could please help.

No. Too dangerous. You *could* do the following, but remember that
Unix is a Real Operating System unlike Windos - rm will remove those
files for good, ok?

Read the following man pages (by saying "man <command>" at the prompt:
     
     quota
     rm
     du
     sort

Then say this:

     du ~/ | sort -n | less

This will tell you the disk usage in your home dir, sort it by size
and pipe the result into a command that will let you scroll up and
down. Find out which stuff you don't need and say:

      rm stuff		   # for files or
      rm -rf ~/stuffdir	   # for entire directories including subdirs

BTW, this is the *w-r-o-n-g  p-l-a-c-e* for your question.

Cheers,
Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
Maybe his humor DLL file got corrupted...  
Or maybe... general humor fault? hmmmm		   (Kenneth R. Kinder)

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>> "MB" == Mike Brudenell <pmb1@york.ac.uk> writes:

MB> [For those of an entymological nature I am informed that "lb" comes
MB> from the Latin "libre": something to do with weight apparently.]

Oh dear... that's "libra" (i.e. "scales" or Roman "pound") you
barbarian. "Barbarian" (for those of an etymological nature) comes
from Greek ... <rant>

Could the list maintainer please change the subject for this forum?

TIA,
Robin

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how i can get base64

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answer to <hgw@huawei.com.cn>

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> > Sorry to continue this off-topic discussion, but I just though I would
> > add a little more confusion to the mix.  In the US, the "hash" symbol
> > is also used to refer to "pound" as the measure of weight.  Thus we
> > really do use the right word, but with a different definition!
> 
> Gentle groan of understanding!  (So what do they use in the US to indicate
> "a number"?)
Same symbol you do :)

> Here in the UK "#" (hash) is usually used to indicate a number, whereas "lb"
> indicates the unit of weight known as a pound, and the "curly-L" I tried to
> draw before is the "pound" unit of currency.  Perhaps this is yet another
That is the same convention used in the US, only most computer systems
don't make it easy to get the English pound symbol (as discussed earlier)

> have never heard of Americans using "#" to indicate a unit of weight! 
> Incidentally the confusion deepends as my American colleague has never heard
> of the convention of using "#" (hash) to represent a weight!)
I have heard of this from time to time.  The only explanation I can deduce
is that when the convention of converting the hash (#) to the English
pound symbol came about, it simply confused a lot of Americans (which is
easy to do.. quite a bit of our language has been bastardized by people
who have simply misheard a word being spoken ;)  who then began using the
symbol for American pounds as well, which then caught on.  So we can be
blamed for statements like:
1,500# #1 race horse, 50,000#

Americans are never confused enough.. just look at our television
programming :)

(BTW, I just responded so Robin would have more to rant at ;)

Pat


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>> "HG" == Huang Guowan <hgw@huawei.com.cn> writes:
HG> how i can get base64

Well, multiply base32 by 2 of course...

<http://www.metacrawler.com/crawler?general=base64&target=&region=&rpp=20&timeout=10&hpe=10> 

<-- That's *one* line...

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Good morning, everyone.

Recently, we have noticed on our two systems using Pine 3.96 that mail
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Should I investigate the pine3.96 configuration file or should I focus on
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>From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:52 +0000

>On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 David L Miller <dlm@cac.washington.edu> wrote:

>>Sorry to continue this off-topic discussion, but I just though I would add a
>>little more confusion to the mix. In the US, the "hash" symbol is also used
>>to refer to "pound" as the measure of weight. Thus we really do use the right
>>word, but with a different definition!

>Gentle groan of understanding! (So what do they use in the US to indicate "a
>number"?)

Same symbol. Two pounds (weight) is 2# or 2 lbs. Number two is #2, which should
be the same as your practice.

>Incidentally the confusion deepends as my American colleague has never heard
>of the convention of using "#" (hash) to represent a weight!)

It isn't nearly as common as "lb."


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Dear sir, i write to you in order to know if you can answer me how to link
my pine e-mail to my hotmail.
I want to receive all the documents that i receive in my pine mail in my
hotmail account. Thank you very much.


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From: "Robin S. Socha" <robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: english name of the pound symbol on the telephone
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>> "NS" == Noone Special <pfarabee@indy.net> writes:

NS> (BTW, I just responded so Robin would have more to rant at ;)

<rant>
What's a pound, anyway? Why can't you sickos not use metrics like
civilised peoples do?
</rant>

What's this got to do with pine? Who's Pat? Why's everyone faking
their from-line all of a sudden? Is anyone writing on this list using
pine? What is the meaning of life?

Robin - confused without American television

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Robin S. Socha M.A.
Deadeye watches, still the killing carries on,
to the rhythm of the gunfire and the voices of concern.

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