From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 01:31:53 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 01:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26193; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:31:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19965; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:28:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.germany.eu.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19959; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:27:51 -0700 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (5.59:24/EUnetD-2.5.4.c) via EUnet id KAA12754; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:27:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199608010825.KAA15869@mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net> Received: by mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (8.6.5:29/EUnetPoP-1.1.9) via EUnet id KAA15869; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:25:18 +0200 From: Rudolf Kompf Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:26:13 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: kompf@m_post.ife-le.de To: Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Check of Incoming Message Folders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After a have executed the following steps in Pine 3.92: - open an Incoming Message Folder other than INBOX and read a mail but leave others intact at status NEW; - open INBOX and read mail; - check the Incoming Message Folders with TAB; then Pine is saying "No more incoming folders". I think Pine should go to the Incoming Message Folder with the new mail messages. Is this a bug? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rudolf Kompf | E-mail: kompf@ife-le.de From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 01:34:48 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26250; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:34:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02515; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:30:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02509; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:30:36 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:26:41 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA26900; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:28:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:28:32 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: chetanvr@msuvx2.memphis.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine for MAC In-Reply-To: <1996Jul31.150454@msuvx1.memphis.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 Jul 1996 chetanvr@msuvx2.memphis.edu wrote: > is there a PC-Pine program for Macintosh operating system? No. > is there a similar mail program for Macintosh operating system? Yes. Mail Drop is free; Mulberry is commercial (about 30 pounds). > please let me know of the ftp site where the program is available. Mail Drop can be obtained from ftp://ackmo.baylor.edu/pub/bell/Mail_Drop/ For information about Mulberry e-mail its author at: Cyrus Daboo See also The IMAP Connection for more information about IMAP clients: http://www.imap.org/ Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 01:39:02 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 01:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26316; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:39:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02555; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:34:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02549; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:34:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0ultCY-00038UC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:33 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Hans Schleichert Subject: Save newgroups list Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:19:02 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to save the newsgroups list to a local file? I'd like to browse it offline in a text processor. - Hans From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 01:46:16 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 01:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26350; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:46:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20288; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:44:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20282; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:44:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0ultIJ-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:39 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thu@satellite.oulu.fi (Thomas Ulich) Subject: Re: routers, gateway Date: 31 Jul 1996 13:29:54 GMT Message-Id: <4tnn4i$50a@ousrvr3.oulu.fi> References: <31FD07E8.CD4@opal.tufts.edu> <4tnmvs$50a@ousrvr3.oulu.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thomas Ulich (thu@satellite.oulu.fi) wrote: : Replace machine.name with the correct one. Example: My mails come from : "thu@aurora.sgo.fi", so the first machine receiving my e-mail is : "aurora.sgo.fi" and there's a line in the header saying: : : Received at (time, date) from (somewhere) by aurora.sgo.fi ... : : Then you type: : : traceroute aurora.sgo.fi : OOOOPS! I recently changed my account, and got messed up. It should not be "aurora.sgo.fi", but instead "satellite.oulu.fi". Sorry for the mistake, I hope you did not start to find the aurora in this header desperately... :-) -- Thomas Ulich NEW e-mail: thomas.ulich@sgo.fi www: http://cc.oulu.fi/~thu/ Inuit say: He who looks long upon the aurora soon goes mad. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 02:02:07 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 02:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26531; Thu, 1 Aug 96 02:02:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02953; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:59:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02947; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:59:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0ultXw-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 01:55 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: marc@hwsys.com Subject: dos based email prog Date: 1 Aug 1996 08:53:08 GMT Message-Id: <4tpr9k$apg@news.genuity.net> References: 199607291922.PAA10708@rmc1.crocker.com On 1996-07-29 toby said: >Any idea where I can get a DOS based email programme? I use Eudora >on one computer with Windows, but I have a secretary using a 286 >(yes, really) without Windows and I want her to be able to access >email >Thanks for your help >Toby A.O. Holmes [The following message I originally posted on my local ISP/BBS. You might] [find it useful. The mail programs support POP3 also. ] Howdy all, It's been a couple of months and I never thought about posting an update. I've been doing a lot of slip/ppp stuff on this here XT. No need for Windows here. Once I get a VGA adapter then things get better as I have no graphic web capabilities yet. Packet Drivers: Quakeppp works fine. Uses Klos Technologies PPP drivers/software. Dialer/terminal program can connect via scripts or manually. Etherppp works fine too but it's a memory hog. Causes some programs to error out like PC-Pine and Minuet. Slipper/Cslipper work flawlessly. Need dialer program or terminal software to connect first. Clients: Minuet. Integrated tools. Telnet, mail, gopher, ping, finger, news, web, ftp. Web does not support forms. Can't use News as it doesn't work on Stacker drive. Minuet is my main program for mail, gopher and ftp. Requires dial-up program. Companion UMSlip/phone package works fine. I use phone to load cslipper. Net-Tamer. Integrated tools. Telnet, mail, ping, web, news, ftp. Built-in PPP using scripts or dumb terminal mode. I'm using XT/286 version which does not support graphics/sound. Web leaves a lot to be desired. Reader module allows for offline newsgroup reading. My main program for usenet. You can download only subject headers so you can then pick which full messages to download for reading. Pretty cool. Three versions available: 386 (graphics, sound, fonts), XT/286, and Palmtop (no graphics/sound on last two). Latest versions at http://people.delphi.com/davidcolston/ NCSA Telnet w/FTP. Very good package. Also includes whois, finger, rsh/rexec, etc. CUTCP Telnet w/FTP. Based on NCSA work. Includes printing utilities like lpr/lpq/etc. TN3270 also. Trumpet. Cool nntp news reader. Not offline but windowing/menuing. DOSLynx. World Wide Web browser. Not a port of Unix Lynx. Too bad. Uses Borland Turbovision interface (like Minuet/Trumpet). Slow, buggy, crash prone. In alpha and doesn't seem to be supported. POPMail. Pre-Minuet. No longer supported. Incorporated into Minuet. Includes Webster module (not in Minuet). Includes telnet, finger, ping. PC-Gopher III. Pre-Minuet. No longer supported. Incorporated into Minuet. The version I use(d) is pretty fast with windows opening all over the place with no memory problems. Later version (1.1.x?) had major memory problems. NuPOP. POP mail. Based on Minnesota code (POPMail/PC-Gopher/Minuet). Telnet, ping, finger, and quite a few more. Will call external programs like Trumpet, html viewers, graphics viewers, etc. Those are some of the cool programs that work (except DOSLynx). Minuet, NuPOP, POPMail, PC-Gopher III, Trumpet, and DOSLynx use the Borland Turbovision interface so they're full windowing/mouseable programs. Tried PC-Pine but couldn't get it to work. Probably since Annex doesn't use the unix box/pine to receive mail anymore. Experimenting with Yarn (usenet SOUP) offline reader but haven't got it to work yet. Need the correct programs to import the packets. The big wish list is for someone to actually port Lynx to dos, usable on 8088/8086/80286. Anyhind, I'm having fun. Marc [ New note: the U of Minnesota programs (Minuet, POPMail, etc.) can use ] [ the MYIP variable if you have dynamic IP addressing. If you use a ] [ terminal program to log on first and then log off, and assuming you ] [ wrote down your IP address, you can type "set MYIP=123.456.789.000" ] [ and the programs will work without you going into the setup menus ] [ each time. UMSlip's phone package will also automatically create the ] [ necessary batch file automatically. There are other utilities for getting ] [ around dynamic IP problems. Even a bootp emulator. ] ] [ These programs were tested on my lowly Tandy 1000 HX and the following ] [ ftp site owner's 286 Tandy. ] [ ftp://ftp.agate.net/users/01935/(internet & incoming directories) ] >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw@bbs.annex.com > Annex! Online (if email replying, use this) marc@hwsys.com > Interludes marcwilliams@bbs.phantasy.com > Phantasy marcwilliams@bbs.story.com > Westwood Storyboard marc.williams@idibbs.com > Idaho Interactive BBS himmler@dkeep.com > Dragon Keep 926 Judith Street Baldwin Park, CA 91706-5836 (818) 338-2708 .. Ten years and my Tandy 1000 HX is still going strong! -!- þ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] þ `[1;37;42mNet-Tamer V 1.05.1 - Test Drive From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 04:59:19 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 04:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27481; Thu, 1 Aug 96 04:59:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22534; Thu, 1 Aug 96 04:54:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22528; Thu, 1 Aug 96 04:54:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0ulwKH-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 04:54 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:45:53 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4tosnv$1bu@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4tosnv$1bu@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> On 31 Jul 1996, Tim Mooney wrote: :> :>Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work, :>but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to :>move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors :>while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on :>various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save :>your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go :>to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way. :>Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico." :> Surely the control-W command to scan for text gives them what they want? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 1223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 1223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 06:23:08 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 06:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20315; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:23:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06001; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:19:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05995; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:19:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0ulxbp-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:16 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yuan@nka1.med.uc.edu (Jie Yuan) Subject: Re: PC-Pine for MAC Date: 1 Aug 1996 12:32:35 GMT Message-Id: <4tq853$ikd@babbage.ece.uc.edu> References: <1996Jul31.150454@msuvx1.memphis.edu> In-Reply-To: <1996Jul31.150454@msuvx1.memphis.edu> In article <1996Jul31.150454@msuvx1.memphis.edu>, chetanvr@cc.memphis.edu writes: > >is there a PC-Pine program for Macintosh operating system? > >is there a similar mail program for Macintosh operating system? > >please let me know of the ftp site where the program is available. Although there is no Mac-Pine, there are some freeware POP3/IMAP clients on the Internet. Eudora-Lite is very popular. POPMail from U. of MN is also very good (my favorite). You can find them in the info-mac archive, or the U. MI archive. Cheers! Jie -- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. -- == POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575 = 513-558-2352 == == Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = www.uc.edu/~yuanj = using Knews == == finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu for my PGP pub. key= From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 06:47:43 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 06:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28149; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:47:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23877; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:45:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from frank.mtsu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23871; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:45:18 -0700 Received: from localhost by frank.mtsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA055537174; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:46:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:46:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Hiram Lester Jr." To: Barry Landy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Barry Landy wrote: > Surely the control-W command to scan for text gives them what they want? Provided you know what you are looking for. An extra option on the Control-W command to enter a line number would be a nice addition though. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 06:52:13 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28183; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:52:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23917; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:47:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from frank.mtsu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23911; Thu, 1 Aug 96 06:47:47 -0700 Received: from localhost by frank.mtsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA057847347; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:49:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:49:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Hiram Lester Jr." To: Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Re: Check of Incoming Message Folders In-Reply-To: <199608010825.KAA15869@mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Rudolf Kompf wrote: > After a have executed the following steps in Pine 3.92: > > - open an Incoming Message Folder other than INBOX and read a mail but > leave others intact at status NEW; > - open INBOX and read mail; > - check the Incoming Message Folders with TAB; > > then Pine is saying "No more incoming folders". I think Pine should go to > the Incoming Message Folder with the new mail messages. > Is this a bug? I've noticed this behaviour in 3.93, 3.94, and 3.95 as well. If you check a folder with new messages, it seems to be taken out of the new mail queue until additional new messages appear in it. Pine is probably using the last accessed time on the file and not the newmail flags to make that determination. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 07:38:55 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 07:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28757; Thu, 1 Aug 96 07:38:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24608; Thu, 1 Aug 96 07:35:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24602; Thu, 1 Aug 96 07:35:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0ulynG-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 07:32 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Al Byers Subject: Command line pine Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 09:31:02 -0400 Message-Id: <3200B196.629A@cfw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if I missed the answer to this from an earlier posting, but I followed it till it left my server. I need to attach a large file to a mail message so that it can be detached via ccMail. Pine works fine, but metasend does not (puts it in the body of the message). The trouble is that I want to automate the process and I don't know how to do it in pine. I thought that I could kludge it using the -i or -I (which one?) option, but I don't know how to encode new lines, so it puts everything into the "To:" field. Can anyone help with this? How do I embedded CR (CR doesn't work) in the keystroke list? -- Al Byers Automation Group of Virginia, Inc. byersa@cfw.com P.O. Box 1091 540.949.8777 Waynesboro, VA 22980 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 11:35:50 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02182; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:09:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29826; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:05:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29814; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:05:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um27g-00038TC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:05 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: Short Replies Not Allowed by Pine3.95 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:34:39 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, jim eagle wrote: > OK ... when I attempt to give a short reply to a newsgroup message using > Pine3.95, I am sometimes not allowed to post because I am re-using more > lines from the previous email than I am adding of my own. I suspect that this is not a feature of pine, but of the newserver you are posting through. So you should raise the question to your local news admin. The "rule" is also generally considered a good one. We don't want lots of messages which quote entire articles and then say "I agree" or something like that. > This is > moderately annoying, and encourages me to pad my reply with blank lines. I should encourage you to rethink whether your posting is necessary or in the best form. If you decide it is, you can always pad as you do. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 11:36:27 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00077; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:09:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28416; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:06:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Stormbringer.InterL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28410; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:06:55 -0700 Received: from necro (root@pm2-adr25.interl.net [205.244.161.25]) by Stormbringer.InterL.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA07195; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:05:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:06:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Englander X-Sender: root@necro To: "Hiram Lester Jr." Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Overriding From In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Hiram Lester Jr. wrote: > If you are building your own copy of Pine, you can compile it with the > option of changing the From: line in the customized headers section of the > setup. The switch allowing that is in one of the os_xx.h files. This is > what I do. I have a customized header defined as > > From: "Hiram Lester Jr." > > The original sender will still appear in the X-Sender or X-X-Sender line. Thanks! I copied the 3.95 pre-compiled binaries over what came with Slackware 3.0 (v3.91 I think), but I got the source and as you can see it works fine. The problem was that according to my ISP's startup instructions, they say to just use interl.net as the domain name. Problem is that the head of my ISP is root@inter.net, so he wasn't too happy to get several replies intended for me. Hopefully now, even with X-Sender/X-X-Sender being there, there will be a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of it happening again. I changed my domainname to fakename.inter.net too, just out of paranoia :) Oh, and BTW, do you think that the quotes around your 'real name' actually matter? I've seen MANY posts with quotes, and just as many without. Thanks, Jason =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jason Englander -=- Burlington, IA - USA E-mail: jasoneng@interl.net WWW: http://www.interl.net/~jasoneng =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 11:36:37 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA32558; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:04:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10883; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:00:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Stormbringer.InterL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10877; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:00:27 -0700 Received: from necro (root@pm2-adr25.interl.net [205.244.161.25]) by Stormbringer.InterL.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA07049 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:58:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:00:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Englander X-Sender: root@necro To: pine-info Subject: Sig w/ fortune? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm running Pine 3.95 under Linux and I was wondering if anyone had ideas for including a random fortune into messages that I compose. I'd like something similar to adding 'taglines' (a FidoNet thing...). Maybe a script to add a fortune to the .signature file or something with Pine's filtering? Jason =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jason Englander -=- Burlington, IA - USA E-mail: jasoneng@interl.net WWW: http://www.interl.net/~jasoneng =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 11:50:36 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02807; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:23:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13140; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:20:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13132; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:20:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um2Hk-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:15 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brian Bell Subject: Upload subcommand problem Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:42:48 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In the PINE 3.95 (UX) configuration screen there is an option to allow uploads via protocol (such as Zmodem) directly into the editor. I've configured the upload to call "rz" which seems to be running, (the command "rz: ready to receive usr/pub/"tempfilename" appears) but the upload never commences when I go to send via zmodem. Is there anything that needs to be added to the "rz" command to get it to commence? Thank you, -=BB Brian Bell bbell19@nwlink.com http://www.nwlink.com/~bbell19/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 11:55:00 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04098; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:54:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01163; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:50:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01153; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:50:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um2nX-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:48 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Martin Struwe Subject: Re: Sig w/ fortune? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:12:56 +0200 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 1 Aug 1996, Jason Englander wrote: > I'm running Pine 3.95 under Linux and I was wondering if anyone had ideas > for including a random fortune into messages that I compose. I'm using an external Editor: vim -c "$ | r! fortune -s" doesn't work, because I can't use Quotes. So I use "vim -s fort" and wrote the vim-script fort: :$^Mo--^[:r! fortune -s^M > Maybe a script to add a fortune to the .signature file or something with > Pine's filtering? I think, the sending filter is too late, because I want to see what I'm sending. Greetings, Maletin. -- Strategy: A long-range plan whose merit cannot be evaluated until sometime after those creating it have left the organization. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 12:08:56 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04107; Thu, 1 Aug 96 12:08:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14502; Thu, 1 Aug 96 12:05:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14496; Thu, 1 Aug 96 12:05:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um33a-00038TC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 12:05 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: how to disable "User known" message Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:45:02 +0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, A.T. Phillips wrote: > I tried the "quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file" but that seemed > to make no difference. I still get the error. So .... > what does "quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file" do? And is there > another answer to my original posting? Well, I suppose I should have read the help instead of guessing. You could go to the config and put your cursor on the quell...and hit "?" to get a full description...but an excerpt shows: FEATURE: quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file This feature controls an aspect of Pine's Composer, and if needed, will usually be set by your system manager in Pine's system-wide configuration file. Specifically, if this feature is set, Pine will not attempt to look in the system password file to find a Full Name for the entered address. Which is not what you wanted.... I'm not sure why you'd want to send an email only to have it rejected. So, having it rejected before actually sending it seems like a nice feature.... But, why now try setting the SMTP host to the value of that of the local system. That may get you the funtion you desire. Ed ----- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 12:48:47 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26415; Thu, 1 Aug 96 12:48:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02668; Thu, 1 Aug 96 12:45:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02662; Thu, 1 Aug 96 12:45:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um3dl-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 12:42 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sf7pdgnp@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us (Steve Baetzner) Subject: import Date: 1 Aug 1996 11:05:26 GMT Message-Id: <4tq31n$3l6@ns1.thpl.lib.fl.us> I have two questions: one, how does one delete extra folders in the folder directory? Two: how does one import text into PINE e-mail message so that it is viewable by recipient? Thanks. -- STEVE BAETZNER From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 13:43:08 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06072; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:43:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16885; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:40:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16879; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:40:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um4VB-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:37 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rob Funk) Subject: Re: Pine and Netscape Date: 1 Aug 1996 15:22:50 GMT Message-Id: <4tqi4a$gq5@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <199607311125.NAA28012@mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net> <4tqcl2$ou4@shlnews.grtadv.shl.com> In article <4tqcl2$ou4@shlnews.grtadv.shl.com>, Jeffrey Veiss wrote: >Keep in mind, however, that by default, POP3 will copy all your mail to your >local machine and remove it from the server. Not POP3 itself, only Pine's handling of it. POP3 requires that each message be retrieved individually, and to remove a message from a POP3 server, a client needs to explicitly issue the DELE command. -- ============= R o b F u n k =============|=========> funk+@osu.edu <========= "A microscope locked in on one point |rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Never sees what kind of room that it's in"|rfunk@freenet.columbus.oh.us -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind" |http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~funkr From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 13:58:48 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06347; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:58:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04392; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:56:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04386; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:55:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um4kU-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:53 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Problem w/ PINE addressbook Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:21:04 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The .addressbook.lu file is used to speed up access to large addressbooks. The format has changed a few times, so Pine needs to rebuild it when you change Pine versions. Also, if Pine is unable to write the .addressbook.lu file in the same directory as the .addressbook file, it will write a temporary copy that is only kept for the current session. Check to see if there is some reason that Pine cannot write your .addressbook.lu file... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, Box 354841 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 23 Jul 1996, partner wrote: > From: partner > Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Problem w/ PINE addressbook > Date: 23 Jul 1996 11:10:58 -0700 > Organization: PSGnet mail to news gate > Sender: nobody@psg.com > Message-ID: > NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.psg.com > X-M2n: psg.com > > Don't know when it happened, but now when I go into addressbook the FIRST > time during a PINE session, a message flashes across the status line(?) > (down near the bottom), which says (approx) addressbook.lu is > invalid, rebuilding. It does that. Nothing else happens, and my > addressbook seems to work OK. What does that mean? How can I fix it? > > I've asked "vnet.net" provider, but they have not been able to help. > > Any suggestions? > > -- > Lou Weber > Computer Assist > 918 Nottingham Drive > Charlotte, NC 28211 > Voice/Fax 704/364-8090 > > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 1 14:58:43 1996 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07725; Thu, 1 Aug 96 14:58:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18817; Thu, 1 Aug 96 14:56:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18811; Thu, 1 Aug 96 14:56:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um5ee-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 14:51 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: evelyn@cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico Date: 1 Aug 1996 11:32:24 -0700 Message-Id: <4tqt7o$d6a@henson.cc.wwu.edu> References: <4tosnv$1bu@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) writes: >Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work, >but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to >move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors >while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on >various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save >your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go >to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way. >Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico." But the search command (^W), can be used in many cases, particularly when you're correcting typos, which tend to be unique. Evelyn -- |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 | |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. | |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08793; Thu, 1 Aug 96 16:03:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07804; Thu, 1 Aug 96 16:01:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07796; Thu, 1 Aug 96 16:01:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um6ig-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 15:59 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) Date: 30 Jul 1996 09:15:58 GMT Message-Id: Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel MMF spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Original Subject: An Opportunity to make Money!!! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10100; Thu, 1 Aug 96 17:18:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22401; Thu, 1 Aug 96 17:16:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22395; Thu, 1 Aug 96 17:16:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um7qc-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 17:12 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sf7pdgnp@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us (Steve Baetzner) Subject: dl to flop Date: 1 Aug 1996 23:34:37 GMT Message-Id: <4treud$5vt@ns1.thpl.lib.fl.us> HI. What's the technique for dlownloading a file to my b: drive? Thanks. -- STEVE BAETZNER From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10338; Thu, 1 Aug 96 17:20:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09763; Thu, 1 Aug 96 17:16:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09757; Thu, 1 Aug 96 17:16:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0um7sw-00038TC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 17:14 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edpaolo@intac.com (Ed Paolo) Subject: Pine won't do spell function ? Date: 1 Aug 1996 23:55:38 GMT Message-Id: <4trg5q$nvi@uucp.intac.com> I just switched IP's and this Pine 3.91 won't do 'Spell check' - ctl-T. I get a 'user/bin/spell: file not found'. I went to the 'user/bin' directory and I do not see spell or even Ispell. But if I type spell + file it kicks back bad words. My question would be how can I check all the dirs for spell or ispell to see where it is located ? -- EdDataFix edpaolo@nile.intac.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10765; Thu, 1 Aug 96 18:16:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23393; Thu, 1 Aug 96 18:13:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from www.gnofn.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23387; Thu, 1 Aug 96 18:13:42 -0700 Received: from [206.27.175.33] ([206.27.175.33]) by www.gnofn.org (8.7.Beta.10/8.7.Beta.10) with SMTP id UAA22106 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:17:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.gnofn.org: Host [206.27.175.33] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <320173FC.1034@www.gnofn.org> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 20:20:28 -0700 From: Kelly Mc Donald X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Errors in sending mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have PCPine version 3.91 and when I try to send mail there is a message saying that something has failed. I'm not sure what has failed, but I think something is wring in my configuration. The mail is sent, but not copied into my sentmail folder. I also cannot get into my inbox through pine mail. When I try to enter that folder it tells me that my sentmail folder is being reopened. I think the root of my problem is that someone tampered with my configuration....Is there any way to reset my configuration to its default settings?? Kelly kmcdonal@www.gnofn.org From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11577; Thu, 1 Aug 96 19:58:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24969; Thu, 1 Aug 96 19:56:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24963; Thu, 1 Aug 96 19:56:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umAOC-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 19:55 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bent@snm.com (Ben Taylor) Subject: Re: 3.95 FREEZES Solaris 2.4 x86 box? Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:35:17 GMT Message-Id: <4tal35$as@galleon.netjammer.com> References: <4sn597$1s3@spieg.interealm.com> Roby Sherman (roby@spieg.interealm.com) wrote: : I never thought I would see the day that PINE would take down my solaris : server but 3.95 has done it twice. I don't know what causes it just yet, : but the process just starts eating up CPU time until the system : grinds to a halt. Has anyone else experienced this or heard about this problem : and hopefully a workaround? I have been having this problem with the most recent version since 3.93. I have a call into Sun on this issue, and they are working through the core dumps I generate using kadb. How I found this was to access an IMAP mailbox without using rsh ( {host:143}/var/mail/bent ) and the system completely hangs. Mouse is dead, doesn't respond to pings, Control-C does not break. It's completely dead. I don't have this problem using the Sparc version, so I'm wondering what's up with this. Unfortunately, the core files show very little information, and we're trying to figure out other ways to make sure enough info is in the core dump. This is a big pain. : : --Roby : -- : --roby@nexus.interealm.com--------------------------------------Aurora, CO-- : | "The journey of 1000 miles begins with a cash advance..." | : ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben Taylor Smoke N' Mirrors, Inc. bent@snm.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12138; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:14:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12595; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:11:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12589; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:11:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umAcz-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:10 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: Pine and Netscape Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:14:01 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4tng5i$6l5@rain.psg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4tng5i$6l5@rain.psg.com> On 31 Jul 1996, Rudolf Kompf wrote: > My local Pine accesses remote inbox on our central mailhost via imap; it > works fine. Is there a possibility to read incoming mail from my local Netscape > viewer? Only when netscape's browser supports IMAP. Netscape have announced plans to support IMAP. -jeff -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12193; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:17:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25322; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:15:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from frank.mtsu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25316; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:15:57 -0700 Received: from localhost by frank.mtsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA037705839; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:17:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:17:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "Hiram Lester Jr." To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: import In-Reply-To: <4tq31n$3l6@ns1.thpl.lib.fl.us> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Aug 1996, Steve Baetzner wrote: > I have two questions: one, how does one delete extra folders in the folder > directory? Go into the L)ist folders screen, and highlight the folder you wish to delete, and press D)elete. > Two: how does one import text into PINE e-mail message so > that it is viewable by recipient? Thanks. In the composer, use the Control-R (Read File) command and enter the filename or use the file browser with Control-T. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12198; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:22:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12705; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:20:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from frank.mtsu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12699; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:20:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by frank.mtsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA042056095; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:21:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:21:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Hiram Lester Jr." To: Ed Paolo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine won't do spell function ? In-Reply-To: <4trg5q$nvi@uucp.intac.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Aug 1996, Ed Paolo wrote: > I just switched IP's and this Pine 3.91 won't do 'Spell check' - > ctl-T. I get a 'user/bin/spell: file not found'. I went to the 'user/bin' > directory and I do not see spell or even Ispell. But if I type spell + file > it kicks back bad words. My question would be how can I check all the dirs > for spell or ispell to see where it is located ? Well, there are several ways to do this. If you happen to be using tcsh as your shell, you can type spell and press ESC followed by the ? key to get tcsh to show you what the path to the command is. This only works if the command is in your path (which it obviously is). Another way is to type 'where spell'. I'm not sure under what conditions this works, but it will probably show the executable and the man page both. If worse comes to worse, you can use the find command as such: find / -name spell -print The disadvantage is that it will search the entire file system and will return errors for directories you don't have access to. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12241; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:23:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25423; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:21:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25411; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:21:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umAkc-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 20:18 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markm@voicenet.com (Mark M.) Subject: Re: What is Bounce? Date: 01 Aug 1996 22:48:41 -0400 Message-Id: References: <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> In-Reply-To: abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca's message of 31 Jul 1996 18:35:09 In article <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) writes: > Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does? Bounce redirects a message to a specified address. All the headers are kept, and "Resent-From:" and "Resent-Date:" are added. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01510; Thu, 1 Aug 96 22:10:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14023; Thu, 1 Aug 96 22:08:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vigrid.cfar.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14017; Thu, 1 Aug 96 22:08:27 -0700 Received: from localhost by vigrid.cfar.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12320; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:08:17 -0400 (EDT) From: ADAM Sulmicki To: Evelyn Albrecht Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico In-Reply-To: <4tqt7o$d6a@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ->mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) writes: -> ->>Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work, ->>but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to ->>move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors ->>while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on ->>various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save ->>your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go ->>to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way. ->>Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico." -> -> But the search command (^W), can be used in many cases, particularly when -> you're correcting typos, which tend to be unique. yes, but not when compiler flames at you that there is err in your source code at line 243.. yeah u can get to desired line using ^V ^C but go to nevertheess would be better. -Adam From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01785; Thu, 1 Aug 96 22:26:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26340; Thu, 1 Aug 96 21:33:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26334; Thu, 1 Aug 96 21:33:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umBph-00038BC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 21:27 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill Jenuwine Subject: Re: Local spelling file for pine 3.91? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:35:18 -0400 Message-Id: References: <31FFA194.3CB5@tigger.jvnc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <31FFA194.3CB5@tigger.jvnc.net> On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Michael Marmor wrote: > Hi, > I am using pine 3.91 and would like to specify a local spelling file. [snip] > Is there a way to tell pine to check a local spell file? > While I don't remember why, I got it to work by setting the environment variable SPELL='spell +mywords', where mywords is a file with my own special words. I have the alternate speller field in pine config unset. I am using pine 3.94. =========================+============================ Bill Jenuwine | Internet: wjenuwin@ford.com Ford Motor Company | =========================+============================ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01593; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:31:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15990; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:04:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15984; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:04:18 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:01:59 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA04243; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:03:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:03:56 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Evelyn Albrecht Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico In-Reply-To: <4tqt7o$d6a@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII But not if you are using Pico to edit your C program, which the C compiler has just spat back at you saying there was a syntax error on line 306. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 1 Aug 1996, Evelyn Albrecht wrote: > mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) writes: > > >Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work, > >but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to > >move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors > >while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on > >various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save > >your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go > >to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way. > >Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico." > > But the search command (^W), can be used in many cases, particularly when > you're correcting typos, which tend to be unique. > > > Evelyn > -- > |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 | > |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | > |Western Washington Univ. | > |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01599; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:31:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16241; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:24:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16235; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:24:17 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:21:44 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA06707; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:23:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:23:20 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Adam Vardy , "Mark M." Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: What is Bounce? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is are some more important distinctions between Forward and Bounce... 1. Alf sends a message to Bert. Bert thinks "I can't answer this, but Charles can". Bert bounces the message to Charles. Charles receives the messsage, which is marked as being from Alf (although the additional "Resent-From:" header lets him know that it cam by way of Bert). Charles hits "R" to reply, and the reply is directed straight back to Alf. If Bert had used Forward instead of Bounce then Charles' reply would have been directed to Bert instead of Alf. Bounce is useful for "passing the buck"-type messages (where you are relaying the received message on to someone else to deal with and respond direct to the original enquirer). For example, staff on a Help Desk can find this useful when redirecting received queries on to the people destined to answer the problem. Forward is useful when you want to pass a message on "for information" or prefaced with your own comments. 2. Bounce sends the message on "as is": no ">" quote characters are introduced, and you are not given a chance to modify the text. Forward quotes the included text and also lets you your own comments. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 1 Aug 1996, Mark M. wrote: > In article <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) writes: > > > Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does? > > Bounce redirects a message to a specified address. All the headers are kept, > and "Resent-From:" and "Resent-Date:" are added. > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01605; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:31:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16131; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:14:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16125; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:14:54 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:09:08 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA05244; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:11:02 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:11:01 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: chetanvr@msuvx2.memphis.edu, Jie Yuan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine for MAC In-Reply-To: <4tq853$ikd@babbage.ece.uc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [I admit I haven't looked at these programs recently and this response is from memory of (possibly now obsolete) versions, but...] Eudora and Eudora Lite are indeed very well spoken of. However they use the POP protocol and, certainly when I last looked at Eudora, not the IMAP protocol. I seem to recall Steve Dorner once being quoted as saying that it never would. This is fine if you have access to a POP server as well as an IMAP server, but not all sites offer both. POPmail III, when I looked at it a year or so back, supported POP2, POP3 and IMAP. However it used IMAP in what I tend to call "the brain-damaged way", using it to _trasnfer_ your messages off the IMAP server and down to your local hard disk. This then can make life difficult if the machine is shared. Also if you are away from your machine and want to refer back to a message now no longer on the mail server. Your best bet is to look for an IMAP client that manipulates the mail in-place on the mail server (using IMAP as it was designed for) like Pine and PC-Pine do. Both of my suggestions (Mail Drop and Mulberry) do this. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 1 Aug 1996, Jie Yuan wrote: > In article <1996Jul31.150454@msuvx1.memphis.edu>, > chetanvr@cc.memphis.edu writes: > > > >is there a PC-Pine program for Macintosh operating system? > > > >is there a similar mail program for Macintosh operating system? > > > >please let me know of the ftp site where the program is available. > > Although there is no Mac-Pine, there are some freeware POP3/IMAP > clients on the Internet. Eudora-Lite is very popular. POPMail > from U. of MN is also very good (my favorite). You can find them > in the info-mac archive, or the U. MI archive. > > Cheers! > > Jie From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01611; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:31:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29183; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:21:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hermes.cti.gr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29177; Fri, 2 Aug 96 01:21:00 -0700 From: Pan.Dimakopoulos@cti.gr Received: (from dimakop@localhost) by hermes.cti.gr (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA25521; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:02:06 +0300 (EET DST) Organization: Computer Technology Institute - (CTI) Kolokotroni 3, 262 21 Patras, P.O.Box 1122, 261 10 Patras, Greece Tel: +30(61)992061, 994317-18 Fax: +30(61)993973, 222086 TELEX: 312515 CTI GR Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:02:05 +0300 (EET DST) To: "Mark M." Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: What is Bounce? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Aug 1996, Mark M. wrote: > In article <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) writes: > > > Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does? > > Bounce redirects a message to a specified address. All the headers are kept, > and "Resent-From:" and "Resent-Date:" are added. > And what is the difference from forward? The Resent-From and Resent-Date do not exist in a forwarded message? Thank you, ------------------------------------------------------ | Panos Dimakopoulos dimakop@cti.gr | | COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY INSTITUTE | | P.O. Box 1122 | | 261 10 Patras, Greece | | Tel (+30) 61 994317 Fax (+30) 61 993973 | ------------------------------------------------------ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 03:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02406; Fri, 2 Aug 96 03:53:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17641; Fri, 2 Aug 96 03:35:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from risc01.bim.ktu.edu.tr by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17635; Fri, 2 Aug 96 03:35:08 -0700 Received: by risc01.bim.ktu.edu.tr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21969; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:28:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:28:12 -0400 From: cavsak@risc01.bim.ktu.edu.tr (Hasan Cavsak) Message-Id: <9608021728.AA21969@risc01.bim.ktu.edu.tr> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Hallo liebe Freunde. Gibt es bei Euch die Freunde, die deutsch koennen ? Koennt Ihr Euch bitte mit mir in Verbindung setzen ? Ich danke Euch alle und herzliche Gruesse aus der Turkei. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 04:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02774; Fri, 2 Aug 96 04:57:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01772; Fri, 2 Aug 96 04:53:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01766; Fri, 2 Aug 96 04:53:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umIie-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 04:48 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Super-User) Subject: cmsg cancel <4tsj7e$40i@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Control: cancel <4tsj7e$40i@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Date: 2 Aug 1996 10:49:53 GMT Message-Id: <4tsmgh$790@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> <4tsj7e$40i@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> was cancelled from within trn. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04061; Fri, 2 Aug 96 07:39:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03825; Fri, 2 Aug 96 07:33:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from kodakr.kodak.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03819; Fri, 2 Aug 96 07:33:46 -0700 Received: from felix.kodak.com by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA23838 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:31:11 -0400 Received: from turring.pdkiews by felix.Kodak.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29939; Fri, 2 Aug 96 10:32:45 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 10:32:45 EDT From: lana@kodak.com (Austin Lan 497361 x35223) Message-Id: <9608021432.AA29939@felix.Kodak.COM> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine difficulties How does one set up the environment variables (TERM, TERMCAP) for running Pine? I can view the demo that you have set up for test driving Pine, but when I try to view use my local version, I cannot see the menu at the bottom, page scrolling does not work, etc. I have the same problem with using Pico. My system is a SPARC running Sun4 (need Solaris support too). I telnet into the system and view mail from a Macintosh sometimes. Thanks! Austin (lana@kodak.com, or lana@taipei.ee.washington.edu) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05956; Fri, 2 Aug 96 09:08:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05670; Fri, 2 Aug 96 09:01:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.voicenet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05664; Fri, 2 Aug 96 09:01:23 -0700 Received: from gak (cherryhill102.voicenet.com [207.103.11.181]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA24652 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:01:53 -0400 Received: (from markm@localhost) by gak (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00193; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:59:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark M." To: Pan.Dimakopoulos@cti.gr Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: What is Bounce? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 Pan.Dimakopoulos@cti.gr wrote: > And what is the difference from forward? > The Resent-From and Resent-Date do not exist in a forwarded message? Correct. None of the original message headers are used in the forwarded message. - -- Mark PGP encrypted mail prefered Key fingerprint = d61734f2800486ae6f79bfeb70f95348 http://www.voicenet.com/~markm/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMgIl97Zc+sv5siulAQG8+QP+Jiohff+oLExEMRDHPktXPP9ejkb2z535 IsY/JPGWsryAO54hK3Nwz0IFXpZRMY2F5oBJBhxeFcUzFDJA8bKFwgdYZEPpAAm1 YoKvRkyuyYameeTKik1wQvzrspx1+b6gkHGsGuwl/YmqTO3JdZNLQKRJdTD2HDrj 1aFotHZUYmY= =Rkg1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06132; Fri, 2 Aug 96 09:16:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05853; Fri, 2 Aug 96 09:04:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05834; Fri, 2 Aug 96 09:04:41 -0700 Received: from ciint by ns.NL.net via EUnet id AA00807 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:40:55 +0200 Received: from pulsar.ciint.nl by ciint.ciint.nl id aa18245; 2 Aug 96 17:36 WET Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:37:16 +0100 (WET) From: Richard Gering Reply-To: Richard Gering To: "Hiram Lester Jr." Cc: Pine Info , Tim Mooney , pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-23010-838998673=:5305" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-23010-838998673=:5305 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Hiram Lester Jr. wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Barry Landy wrote: > > > Surely the control-W command to scan for text gives them what they want? > > Provided you know what you are looking for. An extra option on the > Control-W command to enter a line number would be a nice addition though. Yes, this would be a nice addition indeed. The great thing about Pine is that it comes with the sources, so I've tried to implement the "goto line" feature as an option to the search command. This is how it turned out: Once you have pressed Ctrl-W, you can enter the number of the line you want to go to at the "Search:" prompt. Then, instead of pressing Return you can press Ctrl-N (as in Number) and Pico will use the text at the prompt as the number of the line to go to. When text or a line number smaller than 1 is entered, the goto action will be (silently) canceled. The interface might be a little funny, but it kept the amount of code changes to a minimum and it saved the user from having to press an extra key. I've found that you can quickly get used to it. The number entered does not affect the text used in a previous search action. This text continues to be stored for future searches. The result is attached to this message for you to take a look at. Both a patch file and the entire changed pico/search.c (Unix compressed) were included to make it easy (it was small enough). Two final notes: - Please be aware that the source files are from Pico 2.9 (the one that is also shipped with Pine 3.95). - This patch only affects Pico and the composer part of Pine. It has NO effect on the search facilities in the mail viewer or in the on-line help (other code, but could be changed as well :-) ) I hope that you find this addition useful. Feedback is welcomed. Kind regards, - Richard Gering. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) | Let me make one thing perfectly clear: | | CI International B.V. Netherlands | I never explain anything! 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Date: 1 Aug 1996 12:39:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4tqmks$f97@apache.dtcc.edu> References: <31FD41CE.4B92@bbs.voy-ager.com> pine3.95 gets a wee bit closer to being compilable out-of-the-box on DG/UX systems, at least on dg/ux m88k running 4.11. The last patches appeared in the c-client distribution, but they added a comment which blocked out the utime.h include! To apply this patch, unzip and untar the pine distribution from ftp.cac.washington.edu, then cd into pine3.95, and finally pipe this file into patch (make sure to use the -p option.) For example: zcat pine3.95.tar.gz | tar xvof - cd pine3.95 cat thispatchfile | patch -p ./build d-g *OR* if you lack the patch program, you can grab the edited files and park them manually in place from ftp://hopi.dtcc.edu/pub/dgux/pine/ and place them in imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c pine/makefile.d-g pine/osdep/os-sv4.h *OR* you can grab a compiled (for m88k) version of patch from ftp://hopi.dtcc.edu/pub/dgux/pine/patch and apply the patches below if you lack patch When you are all done, simply "./build d-g" to hopefully get a successful pine compile. Note that this is tested with DG/UX 4.11 under 88k platform. The utime() controversy still exists "unconditionally" for 88k boxes and can be set to work the same weird way with intel boxes iff you #define _USEC_UTIME_FLAVOR, which I did in this patch. The symptom of this not working right will be weird messages when quitting pine that the folder time was changed but no changes were found (paraphrased greatly) and folder times of Dec 31, 1969 *** pine/makefile.d-g.orig Fri Mar 15 02:14:55 1996 --- pine/makefile.d-g Tue Jul 23 07:58:09 1996 *************** *** 59,63 **** LIBES= $(EXTRALIBES) $(LOCLIBES) $(STDLIBES) ! STDCFLAGS= -Dconst= -DSV4 -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -DMOUSE CFLAGS= $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) $(EXTRACFLAGS) $(STDCFLAGS) --- 59,63 ---- LIBES= $(EXTRALIBES) $(LOCLIBES) $(STDLIBES) ! STDCFLAGS= -DSV4 -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -DMOUSE CFLAGS= $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) $(EXTRACFLAGS) $(STDCFLAGS) *** imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c.dist Mon Jul 22 12:10:38 1996 --- imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c Mon Jul 22 12:38:04 1996 *************** *** 36,41 **** #include "tcp_unix.h" /* must be before osdep includes tcp.h */ #include "mail.h" ! #define _USEC_UTIME_FLAVOR /* break it for compatibility with ! #include the incompatible past */ #include "osdep.h" #include --- 36,41 ---- #include "tcp_unix.h" /* must be before osdep includes tcp.h */ #include "mail.h" ! #define _USEC_UTIME_FLAVOR /* break it for compatibility with */ ! #include /* the incompatible past */ #include "osdep.h" #include *** pine/osdep/os-sv4.h.orig Tue Jul 23 07:37:44 1996 --- pine/osdep/os-sv4.h Tue Jul 23 07:40:32 1996 *************** *** 232,236 **** --- 232,241 ---- + /*-------- For DG/UX systems, define setpgrp to be setpgrp2 -------------*/ + #ifdef DGUX + #define setpgrp setpgrp2 + #endif + /*----------------- locale.h -------------------------------------------*/ /* #include /* To make matching and sorting work right */ -- Ken Weaverling, Delaware Tech (WHOIS: KJW) * weave@hopi.dtcc.edu finger weave@dtcc.edu@publickey.com for PGP key. * http://www.dtcc.edu/~weave/ ****************************************************************************** Visit Delaware on the web - beats in person! http://www.dtcc.edu/delaware/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10090; Fri, 2 Aug 96 12:44:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28115; Fri, 2 Aug 96 12:41:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28109; Fri, 2 Aug 96 12:41:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umQ3E-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 12:38 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Shawn McMahon Subject: Re: What is Bounce? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:47:43 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> On 31 Jul 1996, Adam Vardy wrote: > Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does? Yes; Pine can. Hit B to start the bounce process, then hit ^G to Get Help. Shawn McMahon | Smokesignals Computer Company Senior System Operator | Southern Oklahoma's Internet Service Provider Chickasaw Nation Net | 405 332-0033 http://www.chickasaw.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10244; Fri, 2 Aug 96 12:51:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28282; Fri, 2 Aug 96 12:48:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Tut.MsState.Edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28276; Fri, 2 Aug 96 12:48:28 -0700 Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (ckw1@Ra.MsState.Edu [130.18.80.10]); by Tut.MsState.Edu using SMTP (8.6.12/6.5m-FWP); id OAA03143; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:48:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (ckw1@localhost); by Ra.MsState.Edu using SMTP (8.6.12/6.0c-FWP); id OAA22740; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:48:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:48:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Winns To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Mailcap Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Can you please let me know how to configure my mailcap files if I have one and how to access mime-type files? And how to change my name for the local sys without sending a mail to the local sys. admin to change my name? My name can't be changed even though I've changed the config setup. Thanks. ___ / \ | | | | \\_// S M I L E ! ____ ________________________________________ \ \ __ / ___________________________________/ \ \ / \/ / __ ____ ____ ___ \ / | | | \ | \ / _| \ __ / | | | | | | _\ \ \__/ \__/ |__| |__|\ _| |__|\ _| |___/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10475; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:08:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12301; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:06:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12294; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:06:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umQQ8-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:02 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Help required in imapd+Solaris 2.4x86 Date: 29 Jul 96 13:44:43 GMT Message-Id: References: <4tg4dm$25o@clarknet.clark.net> bent@clark.net (Ben Taylor) writes: >Harish Srinivasan (harish@gpnet.gpbkk.th.org) wrote: >: >: Our system environment is >: Solaris 2.4 ( x86 ) >: >: We were using Pine on Unix. I have downloaded PC-PINE 3.95 and with a >: older version of IMAPD, the foll is the prob: >: The remote folder by name "SENT" is seen as "NT" clipping out first 2 >: letters. Saw the same problem mentioned in Pine-Info forum but could not >: know the exact solution. >Get /usr/ucb out of your path. You may have to hack the makefiles, >but the basic thing is that the libraries in /usr/ucblib are broken. >If you're linking against them, you're going to have his trouble. >Recompile when you have this corrected. It may not just be an issue of having /usr/ucb in the path. LD_LIBRARY_PATH may also be set to include /usr/ucblib early in the link. Ideally a Solaris 2.x machine ought to be able to run all of its programs without having this environment variable set at all. >: Downloaded the Pine3.95 source and tried to compile it . >: When I use gcc compiler, I get errors like "undefined symbol" errors . >: Symbols mentioned are flock, random , Strtr etc etc . Did you read the docs? >: >: Pls suggest what OSTYPE to be used for this system. >: Have tried gsol, gsun etc >gso for gcc, or sol if you have the SparcWorks tools >: Regds >: Harish >Ben -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt.Inst. () / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 Free speech and free software! /\ / / / / / / Web admin: http://www.gmi.edu/ ellis@gmi.edu /________/ / / / / From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10974; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:41:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29549; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:36:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29543; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:36:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umQta-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:32 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How do I get a small list of newsgroups Date: 29 Jul 96 13:53:23 GMT Message-Id: References: Paul O Bartlett writes: >On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Clint Danbury wrote: >> How do I get the "folders" screen to show me just a few newsgroups ? At >> present my option(s) is(are) to place the cursor on some message which >> says "press here to see the list" or something similar; which I do, and >> gen appears a list of 845,917 usenet newsgroups. [...] > You did not say what system -- Un*x, DOS, Windoozy, whatever -- you >are using Pine under, so I will use the example of Un*x. Pine uses >your .newsrc file. Mine is quite small -- it has only the newsgroups >to which I am subscribed. You might try this. First, change to your >home directory. THEN, MAKE A BACKUP COPY OF YOUR .NEWSRC FILE IN CASE >SOMETHING GOES WRONG. Next, with a good text editor, simply delete the >entries for all the newsgroups (i.e., nearly all of them) that you >don't want. > You could search for the names of all the groups that you do want >and move them all to the top of the file and delete everything else >below them. Be sure to move the entire line in which the name occurs. >Be aware that Pine will display the newsgroups in the folder collection >in the order in which they appear in the .newsrc file. After you edit >out the zillion groups you don't want, Pine should show you only the >few groups you do want. > Editing the .newsrc file by hand should be done with very great >care. That's why you should make a backup copy first so you can back >out if things get messed up. Many text editors have limits to the number of bytes, lines, or the length of lines they will handle. If you load a very large newsrc file into one of these, you will lose entries. Pico is one such editor, as is true for MicroEMACS, jove, vi. Editors that I know that have extremely large limits are GNU Emacs and joe. >Paul >---------------------------------------------------------- >Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA >Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key >Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt.Inst. () / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 Free speech and free software! /\ / / / / / / Web admin: http://www.gmi.edu/ ellis@gmi.edu /________/ / / / / From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12067; Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:39:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14441; Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:36:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14435; Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:36:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umRrD-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:34 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: damianm@eram.esi.com.au (Damian McGuckin) Subject: Conversion of Content during an Attachment Save Date: 29 Jul 1996 23:10:18 +1000 Message-Id: <4tid7q$bt5@eram.esi.com.au> How do you get PINE to decode attachments on the fly while it is saving them with some appropriate filter depending on the Content-Type? Specifically I am interested in UUENCODE'd or BinHex attachments. I am not interested in the actual display - just the act of saving to disk, be it a Save or Export. Thanks - Damian. -- Damian McGuckin Pacific Engineering Systems International damianm@esi.com.au Ph:+61-2-99063377 ... Fx:+61-2-99063468 #include From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12310; Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:59:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01832; Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:56:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01825; Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:56:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umS9v-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:53 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Beth Peterson Subject: Re: can you see me and more. Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:24:06 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Randell Pelak wrote: |First of all can anyone see this. If yes please somebody let me know. | |Randell Allen Pelak All I can say is that I see this. Sorry though I don't have an answer to your other question. Beth Peterson bethp@fnal Physics Department From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13857; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:18:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17194; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:16:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17184; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:16:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umTQR-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:14 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccrjh@cse.bris.ac.uk (RJ. Hopkins) Subject: Re: Help required in imapd+Solaris 2.4x86 Message-Id: References: <4tg4dm$25o@clarknet.clark.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:23:36 GMT Ben Taylor (bent@clark.net) wrote: : Harish Srinivasan (harish@gpnet.gpbkk.th.org) wrote: : : : : Our system environment is : : Solaris 2.4 ( x86 ) : : : : We were using Pine on Unix. I have downloaded PC-PINE 3.95 and with a : : older version of IMAPD, the foll is the prob: : : The remote folder by name "SENT" is seen as "NT" clipping out first 2 : : letters. Saw the same problem mentioned in Pine-Info forum but could not : : know the exact solution. : : Get /usr/ucb out of your path. You may have to hack the makefiles, : but the basic thing is that the libraries in /usr/ucblib are broken. : If you're linking against them, you're going to have his trouble. : Recompile when you have this corrected. : : : Downloaded the Pine3.95 source and tried to compile it . : : When I use gcc compiler, I get errors like "undefined symbol" errors . : : Symbols mentioned are flock, random , Strtr etc etc . : : : : Pls suggest what OSTYPE to be used for this system. : : Have tried gsol, gsun etc : : gso for gcc, or sol if you have the SparcWorks tools : : : Regds : : Harish : : Ben I came across the same problem with some versions of Solaris. The fix which worked for me was to upgrade to version 3.6 of the (Washington) IMAP-2bis server. -- Richard Hopkins, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol, BS8 1UD, UK Tel +44 117 928 7859, Fax +44 117 929 1576 RFC-822: Richard.Hopkins@bristol.ac.uk X.400: G=Richard;S=Hopkins;O=Bristol;P=UK.AC;C=GB From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14326; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:48:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04758; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:46:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04752; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:46:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umTtj-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:44 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aiyar@ebv.oncology.wisc.edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: POP3 access? Date: 2 Aug 1996 23:36:14 GMT Message-Id: References: <31FE8EE0.7C0A@pacifier.com> On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:38:24 -0700, Doug Piercy wrote: >Is there a version of Pine available (or forthcoming) that supports the >widely-used POP3 protocol for retrieving remote mail instead of the >apparently rarely-unused IMAP2 protocol? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ rarely-unused would make it widely-used :-) Anyhow, Pine 3.9x does support pop3. Simply use the following syntax for your mail-folder on the pop3 server. incoming-folders= POP3 Mail {pop3host.domain/pop3} later, Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar, Ph.D. Department of Oncology email: aiyar@ebv.oncology.wisc.edu University of Wisconsin-Madison tel: (608) 262-6697 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14619; Fri, 2 Aug 96 17:13:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18481; Fri, 2 Aug 96 17:11:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18475; Fri, 2 Aug 96 17:11:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umUH5-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 17:08 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Beth Peterson Subject: Re: How do I get a small list of newsgroups Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:46:05 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Clint Danbury wrote: | |How do I get the "folders" screen to show me just a few newsgroups ? At |danbury@ssnShirt.com Clint Danbury - Have you tried using the unsubscribe command with in pine for the groups that you don't want? Beth Peterson bethp@fnal Physics Department From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 18:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15411; Fri, 2 Aug 96 18:43:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06525; Fri, 2 Aug 96 18:41:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06519; Fri, 2 Aug 96 18:41:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umVfC-00038bC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 18:37 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Beth Peterson Subject: Re: FAQ? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:18:21 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4skf63$jfc@dewey.csun.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4skf63$jfc@dewey.csun.edu> On 18 Jul 1996, George Mansoor wrote: |Can someone please point me to the FAQ for this group. I have pine 3.93 |installed on a Solaris 2.4 box. When i start pine, I get an error message |saying that I have incomplete domain information. Anyone know what that is? | |George Pine FAQ's are found at: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/faq/ The error message that you are getting could be because you do not have a domain name set. I use Unix and am not familiar with Solaris but I will try to help.. At my main screen I type S(setup), C(config) then it is about the second selection from the top (user-domain). Select user-domain type A (add) and then type in the domain part (right-hand side) of your return address on outgoing email. Hope this helps! Beth Peterson bethp@fnal Physics Department From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 18:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15523; Fri, 2 Aug 96 18:59:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19983; Fri, 2 Aug 96 18:57:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19970; Fri, 2 Aug 96 18:56:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umVw5-00038bC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 18:55 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: import Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 18:27:03 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4tq31n$3l6@ns1.thpl.lib.fl.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4tq31n$3l6@ns1.thpl.lib.fl.us> On 1 Aug 1996, Steve Baetzner wrote: > I have two questions: one, how does one delete extra folders in the folder > directory? When in the folder lister, type D > Two: how does one import text into PINE e-mail message so > that it is viewable by recipient? Thanks. From within the default composer, type Ctrl-R. -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17697; Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:14:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09744; Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:13:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09738; Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:13:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umZsu-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:08 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico Date: 3 Aug 1996 00:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: <4tumrk$6l2@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> References: <4tosnv$1bu@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> <4tqt7o$d6a@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <4tqt7o$d6a@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, Evelyn Albrecht wrote: > mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) writes: > > >If there are 10 errors on > >various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save > >your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go > >to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way. > >Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico." > > But the search command (^W), can be used in many cases, particularly when > you're correcting typos, which tend to be unique. As a couple of people have pointed out, not every compiler gives a good indication of the text surrounding the line(s) in error, so searching for the text may be impossible since it's not indicated. FORTRAN compilers appear to be particularly bad about not saying on which line an error occurs, based on the questions I've fielded from users. There is yet another reason for wanting the `goto line' feature, though, and that's pure simplicity. Pico is, after all, designed to be simple to use. Though many users could use the Control-W and search for text pointed out by the compiler (if it does that kind of thing with errors), I suspect many would find that method to be needlessly difficult. Given enough time, I could probably come up with quite a few examples where even given the text of the error message it takes several repititions of a text search to find the desired instance of that text in the file (though your argument that typos tend to be unique is a good one, it certainly isn't always the case). If you know the line number, it's just *much* simpler to be able to go directly to that line. Again, I don't even use pico; the initial question I asked was on behalf of the large number of pico-users that I support. I was just hoping that my inability to find the magic key sequence in pico to `goto-line' was just ignorance of pico's capabilities on my part. We've already seen one patch posted to this thread that implements the desired feature. If it rains here this weekend I may come up with my own patch to add the same feature, but with `Goto-line = ^N' listed as one of the options right in the ^W menu, so it's no secret to the neophyte users. Tim -- Tim Mooney mooney@toons.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu Information Technology Services (701) 231-1076 (Voice) Room 242-J1, IACC Bldg. (701) 231-8541 (FAX) North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17870; Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:44:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23329; Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:43:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23317; Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:43:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umaPU-00038BC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:42 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu (Annelise Anderson) Subject: How to Export Text? Date: 3 Aug 1996 05:45:18 GMT Message-Id: <4tup1e$5s6@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I'd like to be able to export selected text from a message instead of an entire message--and also append text to a file in a later export. Is this possible....or just too much for little pine? Annelise From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18150; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:32:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10529; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:28:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10523; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:28:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umb81-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:28 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: svante@deep-purple.com (Svante Pettersson) Subject: Re: What is Bounce? Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 23:38:16 GMT Message-Id: <4treai$2o9@spider.hik.se> References: <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) wrote: >Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does? Say you get a mail from user@foo.com that was intended for me. If you forward it to me I'll get the mail as "From: abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca". If you OTOH 'Bounce' that mail to me, i will get it as "From: user@foo.com" and if I look into the headers I'll see "By way of abe004@Info...". Could be handy if I filter my mail based on the "From:" field . ------------------------------------------ Svante Pettersson, svante@deep-purple.com Content editor, http://www.deep-purple.com/ ------------------------------------------ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21393; Sat, 3 Aug 96 11:46:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01132; Sat, 3 Aug 96 11:44:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01126; Sat, 3 Aug 96 11:44:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umlcc-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 11:40 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark W. Oosterveld" Subject: Re: Filters in PCPine Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:21:47 -0400 Message-Id: <31FCC8FB.5EBD@netron.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ari Spanos wrote: > > I've just finished configuring PGP to work with Pine verson 3.93 for UNIX, > using the "display-filters" and "sending-filters" options in the Setup. > It works very well. > > I thought I might do the same in for a different account where I use > PCPine 32 bit Version 3.95. Using the same principles, I should be able to > write a batch file to do the job of the shell script in UNIX. It does not > seem to work - not because the batch file doesn't work - but because Pine > does not ask if I want to apply a filter when I'm ready to send. > Essentially it ignores the filter configuration completely. I did the same thing. First, know that PCPine, or at least the 32 bit version, does not support pipes. So, you need to make sure the filter rule includes _TMPFILE_. Second, make sure you specify the explicit path to the program, including extension. (ie: d:\win\pine\pgpfilt.bat). And last, you will need to make a small change to the source. In the file os.c (which is created, I believe from os_wnt.c), search for PIPE_RESET. (I am working from memory here. I don't have the source in front of me...) There is an if statement, something like: if (mode && (PIPE_RESET | PIPE_READ | PIPE_WRITE)) Take the PIPE_RESET out of that line. And recompile. I mailed this fix to the development team. If they like it, 3.96 should work better. > Ari Spanos Mark Oosterveld From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22920; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:30:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18799; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:29:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18793; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:29:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umnIk-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:27 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scrappy@ki.net (Marc G. Fournier) Subject: Sudden problem with locking... Date: 3 Aug 1996 16:12:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4u0brc$akt@quagmire.ki.net> Hi... All of a sudden, using pine, I'm receiving an error of: [{mail.ki.net}inbox : Error creating /var/mail/scrappy.lock.839102584.7566.quag] Nothing has changed that I can tell, it just started happening... I've checked permissions on directories...it let's me into my mail properly, or so it seems, and can delete messages, but the error message is disconcerting to myself, and to my users, to say the least... Anybody have any ideas on what might have changed that I'm not thinking of, that would cause this? -- Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23081; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:56:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02559; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:54:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02553; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:54:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umng7-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:52 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Beth Peterson Subject: Re: routers, gateway Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:56:57 -0500 Message-Id: References: <31FD07E8.CD4@opal.tufts.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <31FD07E8.CD4@opal.tufts.edu> On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Imran Mohiuddin wrote: |Is there anyway that I can trace a mail message using pine? In other |words I want to see what routers and gateways it has come throught to get |to me? If so, How do I do it? In pine 3.91 (and +) there is a feature in the configuration screen called enable-full-header-cmd. This allows you to type and H while in a message and it will display the full route of the message along with other things. Beth Peterson bethp@fnal Physics Department From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23451; Sat, 3 Aug 96 14:56:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19643; Sat, 3 Aug 96 14:55:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19637; Sat, 3 Aug 96 14:55:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umocG-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 14:52 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:56:30 -0400 Message-Id: References: <31FE9719.2809@pacifier.com> <31FFB9BB.18DB@supaero.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Mark Crispin wrote (excerpt): > That's why MIME was created. MIME provides a framework for identifying > all of the world's languages; and it also provides a framework for passing > 8bit data on a 7bit network. This is true, as far as it goes, but many people still do not have MIME-complaint mailers, so they couldn't use MIME if it bit them on the nose. However, in some circumstances they *can* use straight 8-bit transmission within a limited sphere, so that's what they use. I participate in a mailing list on languages whose server is in Europe. I have never had any problems sending or receiving 8-bit characters (one I set my display hardware for ISO-8859-1). Although the listowner once made some noises about a MIME-compliant upgrade on the server, it is still an 8-bit list for those who can handle 8-bit and who are on 8-bit paths. MIME may be a standard, and Pine handles MIME, but a lot of the world is still non-MIME, and we have to live with that. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 14:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23462; Sat, 3 Aug 96 14:58:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19666; Sat, 3 Aug 96 14:56:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hubcap.clemson.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19660; Sat, 3 Aug 96 14:56:48 -0700 Received: from cs.clemson.edu (citron.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.44.18]) by hubcap.clemson.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA17173 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bart.cs.clemson.edu by cs.clemson.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11927; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:57:49 EDT Received: from localhost by bart.cs.clemson.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA06986; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:57:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:57:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jyandung Tony Young To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: please help Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear helper, I am a Unix's pine user. Could someone solve the problem below for me? Your help is appreciated. Each time I invoke pine, I got a warning message: The domain name is incomplete... The returned address in your outgoing mails may be incorrect... The return path in each of my outgoing mails is always yjd@machine where yjd is my userd id and machine is the name of the workstation where I am working. Therefore, if my addressee replys me an email, he/she will fail. If you can help me, please don't reply this mail (because the returned path is wrong) but send your mail to yjd@cs.clemson.edu. Thanks. Tony From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23525; Sat, 3 Aug 96 15:12:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03310; Sat, 3 Aug 96 15:09:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03304; Sat, 3 Aug 96 15:09:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umope-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 15:06 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: Hallo liebe Freunde. Date: 2 Aug 1996 16:20:15 GMT Message-Id: <4tt9rv$44s@klemm.gtn.com> References: <9608021728.AA21969@risc01.bim.ktu.edu.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <9608021728.AA21969@risc01.bim.ktu.edu.tr>, cavsak@risc01.bim.ktu.edu.tr (Hasan Cavsak) writes: > Gibt es bei Euch die Freunde, die deutsch koennen ? > Koennt Ihr Euch bitte mit mir in Verbindung setzen ? > Ich danke Euch alle und herzliche Gruesse aus der Turkei. Hasan, die Newsgroup, in die Du gepostet hast, ist rein Englisch-sprachig. Ausserdem geht es hier um die Printer Sprache "Postscript". Du solltest Dir passendere Newsgroups aussuchen, um Dir Freunde zu suchen. Leute in den Newsgroups reagieren oft veraergert, wenn man darin Themen anspricht, die mit der Newsgroups nichts zu tun haben. Und Du solltest Dir eine Newsgroup erstmal gruendlich anschauen, um ein Gefuehl dafuer zu bekommen, was darin gerne gesehen wird und was nicht. Andreas /// -- andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23832; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:06:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20313; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:04:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20307; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:04:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umpj3-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:03 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Beth Peterson Subject: Re: standard-printer is a list ? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:25:35 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4sugcd$142@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4sugcd$142@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> On 22 Jul 1996, Avery Earle wrote: |Now, the setup printer screen looks (in part) like this |------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Standard UNIX print command | Using this option may require setting your "PRINTER" or "LPDEST" | environment variable using the standard UNIX utilities. | Printer List: "" lpr -Pthis | "" lpr -Pthat | "" lpr -Pother | |------------------------------------------------------------------- | |Question: are those quote marks surrounding some descriptive |text, and how do I specify that? | |Regards. From what I have noticed is that the new versions will ask for the name of the printer and then the print command. What happens when you actually enter in a printer name, instead of leaving it blank, when you go to print it will tell you which printer you are printing to. In other words if you entered in the name Pthis for the lpr -Pthis the confing screen would look like this: Printer list: "Pthis" lpr -Pthis and then when you go to print the print message will say: message sent to printer Pthis. Beth Peterson bethp@fnal Physics Department From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23901; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:21:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03979; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:20:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03973; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:20:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umpy1-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:18 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rick O'Sullivan Subject: IMAP worked, now it doesn't? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:26:07 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have an IMAP daemon running on my server (AmigaDOS) that has worked in the past (last spring). Recently, when I was on travel and attempted to access my mail remotely, I received the Pine complaint ... [[CLOSED] IMAP connection broken (server response)] Any clues? Rick __ __ __ __ __ __ ---------------------__/\_\/\_\/\_\/\_\/\_\/\_\__----------------------- Altofirma WebWords /\_\/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/\_\ Richard P. O'Sullivan http://www.aww.com/ \/_/\_\/\_\/\_\/\_\/\_\/\_\/_/ rosully@aww.com --------------------- \/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/ ----------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24255; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:02:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21046; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:00:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21034; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:00:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umqb8-00038TC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:59 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine and MH Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:53:16 -0700 Message-Id: References: <4tberq$j2b@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4tberq$j2b@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Yes, Pine can read and write MH folders. If your MH folders reside on the local machine, go to the Setup/Config screen and configure inbox-path=#MHINBOX folder-collections=#MH/[] You can also set these as system-wide defaults in your /usr/local/lib/pine.conf file. If you have sub-folders, you will need to specify a separate collection for each sub-folder. We are planning to remove that limitation when we add hierarchy support to Pine 4.x. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, Box 354841 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 26 Jul 1996, William Thompson wrote: > From: William Thompson > Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine and MH > Date: 26 Jul 1996 21:55:06 GMT > Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA > Message-ID: <4tberq$j2b@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> > NNTP-Posting-Host: orpheus.nascom.nasa.gov > X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) > > > I'm looking for an easy-to-use text-based mail program which runs on text-based > terminals to supplement the X-windows based applications that we already use. > Since the X-windows applications use MH for the folders, the text based program > must also use MH. > > I've copied over a copy of Pine, and the documentation seems to suggest that it > is capable of at least reading MH folders although it's not clear how to make > it do that. It's also not clear whether or not Pine can also save properly to > MH folders, as well as read them. > > Can anyone suggest how to proceed? Is Pine the right software for my > application? Please respond by email to > > thompson@orpheus.nascom.nasa.gov > > as I don't usually read this newsgroup. > > Thank you, > > William Thompson > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24313; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:12:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04529; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:10:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04523; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:10:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umqkB-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:08 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim eagle Subject: Short Replies Not Allowed by Pine3.95 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:42:54 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK ... when I attempt to give a short reply to a newsgroup message using Pine3.95, I am sometimes not allowed to post because I am re-using more lines from the previous email than I am adding of my own. This is moderately annoying, and encourages me to pad my reply with blank lines. ****************************************************************** * How do I turn this lovely "feature" of Pine3.95 off?? Thanks.* ****************************************************************** Jim Eagle Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, CA From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24288; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:41:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21507; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:40:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21501; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:40:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umrDu-00038TC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:39 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Turning off Mail Copies Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:17:45 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 3 Aug 1996, Carl Kim wrote: : Right now, I have pine configured to keep a copy of every mail that I : send in the "SentBox". I think I did this with the fcc function. : : Anyway, there are times when I would really like to turn this off for a : particular message (like very large ones). : : Is there a command or kludge to do this? Nothing simpler. Before you send the message, put the curser on the Fcc: line in the header and press ^K (Control-K). This will blank out the line and the message will not be saved. I do it all the time for tiny little acknowledgement messages that aren't worth keeping copies of. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 18:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24663; Sat, 3 Aug 96 18:01:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05040; Sat, 3 Aug 96 18:00:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05034; Sat, 3 Aug 96 18:00:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umrVS-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 17:57 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Semyon Subject: HELP!!!! Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 20:13:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3203EB29.62B6@advn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I got some info from ftp://128.146.20.83/ Now they change their directories and important files dissapears. How to find old files or e-mail of this FTP-master? Please, respond directly to my e-mail. Thanks Semyon (user-idiot) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 19:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25133; Sat, 3 Aug 96 19:31:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22586; Sat, 3 Aug 96 19:30:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22580; Sat, 3 Aug 96 19:30:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umsue-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 19:27 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: how to disable "User known" message In-Reply-To: "A.T. Phillips"'s message of Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09: 51:33 -0700 Message-Id: References: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 22:20:42 GMT In article "A.T. Phillips" writes: If I attempt to send an email to a nonexistent user on my local system, Pine 3.94 rejects the attempt with the following message: Mail not sent: ... User unknown Is there a way to turn this off, and force the mail to be sent (and bounced of course)? I see you're posting from a Unix host, specifically an SGI. Is it safe to assume you're doing this for test purposes, not something you'll need a whole lot on every day? If so, I'd recommend just using the Unix mail utility. Under IRIX 5.x (at least) this is /usr/sbin/Mail. Best regards, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/435-2983 http://www.access.digex.net/%7Erobjen/dc-sage/bios/rick_troxel/ /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 22:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26823; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:52:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24763; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:50:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24757; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:50:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umw3M-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:48 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) Subject: Re: How to Export Text? Date: 4 Aug 1996 01:20:12 GMT Message-Id: <4u0tsc$66v@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <4tup1e$5s6@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Annelise Anderson (andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) wrote: : I'd like to be able to export selected text from a message instead : of an entire message--and also append text to a file in a later : export. Is this possible....or just too much for little pine? I suppose you can just E - Export the message, and then edit it in an editor when you exit Pine. That is not too difficult. - Adam From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 22:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26827; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:52:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08112; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:50:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08106; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:50:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umw3l-00038TC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:49 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) Subject: message gone! Date: 4 Aug 1996 01:17:53 GMT Message-Id: <4u0to1$66v@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> I had a postponed message. Just now I started continuing to write it. Then I think I pressed Control C. There is no sign now of this message anywhere. Gone! Arhhh..#$! Can I get it back? If not, I really think Pine ought to be updated so that it would not destroy messages. This message had already been saved to a message folder called postponed messages. - Adam From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 22:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26852; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:56:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08160; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:55:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08154; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:55:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umw6I-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 22:51 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: des@world.std.com Subject: what are the apply and mark features Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 01:17:25 GMT What are the apply and mark features in Pine? How would one use them? In what instances, and how would one set them? I tried looking these up in configuration, and I tried the help in pine, but there is little mention of it. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 23:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26904; Sat, 3 Aug 96 23:07:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24912; Sat, 3 Aug 96 23:05:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24906; Sat, 3 Aug 96 23:05:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umwJA-00038BC; Sat, 3 Aug 96 23:05 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: an695686@anon.penet.fi Message-Id: <060329Z04081996@anon.penet.fi> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 06:02:14 UTC Subject: mime jest --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse@anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help@anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin@anon.penet.fi From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 01:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27661; Sun, 4 Aug 96 01:27:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26277; Sun, 4 Aug 96 01:25:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26271; Sun, 4 Aug 96 01:25:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umyU9-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 01:24 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: o4u9@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Far Beyond Driven...) Subject: pine+linux+ppp how? Date: 3 Aug 1996 07:06:53 GMT Message-Id: <4tutqd$sft@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> I was wondering how to config pine to send mail with my ppp account and have the right sender appear ? -- Sweet smell of great sorrow lies over the land, Plumes of smoke rise, and merge into the leaden sky, A man lies and dreams, of green fields and river, But awakes to the morning, with no reason for waking. He's haunted by the memory of a lost paradise, In his youthful dream, he can't be precise, He's chained forever, to a world thats departed, It's not enough, it's not enough. -- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 03:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28222; Sun, 4 Aug 96 03:02:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10564; Sun, 4 Aug 96 03:01:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10558; Sun, 4 Aug 96 03:01:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0umzvE-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 02:56 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Peter Hjelt Subject: Disable annoying "Delete sent-mail-xxx?" queries on startup? Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 12:59:15 +0300 Message-Id: <32047473.1F75399@iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After upgrading to pine 3.95 everything was fine until the month changed to August. Now pine asks me to delete old sent-mail folders _every_ time I start pine, even if I told it no on all previous years sent mail month by month on last pine startup. This tends to get at you when you have to press 'N' some 100 times before you can enter pine to read some mail =) Why does it want to delete sent mail at all? I have never deleted a message I've sent so far, and the collection is not much over 40MB. Sent mail is a good reference when old issues are brought up, or when you wonder what was going on with this and that back then. Anyway, is there a switch to turn this "feature" off? I want to keep all mail w/o going out and rename the sent-mail folders manually every month. Thanks. /*------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: phjelt@iki.fi URL: http://www.iki.fi/phjelt/ IRC: nick MXV on EICN/EF Tel: +358-0-5054790, +358-50-5665952 ------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29982; Sun, 4 Aug 96 08:58:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00864; Sun, 4 Aug 96 08:56:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00858; Sun, 4 Aug 96 08:56:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0un5VQ-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 08:54 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Thomas binder Subject: HELP *** AUTO-RESPOND *** Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 17:43:14 +0200 Message-Id: <3204C512.3BF9@public.uni-augsburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, i got a problem installing an auto-respond to all incoming mails. I got a account on a LINUX-Server and therefore I use UNIX-Pine (Version 3.90 (built Tue Aug 22 19:50:49 CDT 1995)). I will be on vacation for a long time and don't want my e-mail-partners going crazy on not getting a response from me. I would like to reply to all messages with a standard text telling them, that i am on vacation and won't be able to respond to my mails. Is there any possibility to do that with pine???? I would be very happy to hear from you soon. Please do also respond to the following E-mail-Adress. Thanks... Thomas (Thomas.Binder@public.uni-augsburg.de) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA30266; Sun, 4 Aug 96 09:46:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AB01445; Sun, 4 Aug 96 09:44:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01439; Sun, 4 Aug 96 09:44:52 -0700 Received: by acs4.bu.edu (8.6.13/BU_SmartClient-1.0) id MAA146629; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:40:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: philip maxwell To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII YOUR MOTHER WAS A HAMSTER AND YOUR FATHER SMELLS OF ELDERBERRIES... - Monty Python GUNS COMPEL BUTTER! Its not the economy Stupid. - IR Prof. Angelo Codevilla Ah yes a classic. A book that nobody reads, but everyone praises. - Mark Twain From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 10:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA30388; Sun, 4 Aug 96 10:08:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14827; Sun, 4 Aug 96 10:06:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14821; Sun, 4 Aug 96 10:06:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0un6bK-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 10:04 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rob Funk) Subject: Re: [Q] Headers Date: 4 Aug 1996 13:02:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4u2l41$9n5@ts28-9.homenet.ohio-state.edu> References: In article , Matt Chatterley wrote: >Just wondering, how, if it's possible, can I see the full heads >(x-headers?) for an email or usenet post that was sent me / I am viewing, >in pine? Is the only way to do this to include full headers in replies? Hit "h" to toggle between seeing all the headers and only seeing a few. You need to have "enable-full-header-cmd" on in your configuration. -- ============= R o b F u n k =============|=========> funk+@osu.edu <========= "A slice of life isn't the whole cake |rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu One tooth will never make a full grin" |rfunk@freenet.columbus.oh.us -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind" |http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~funkr From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 10:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA30419; Sun, 4 Aug 96 10:13:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14892; Sun, 4 Aug 96 10:12:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sweden-f.it.earthlink.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14886; Sun, 4 Aug 96 10:12:46 -0700 Received: from Earthlink.net.www.earthlink.net (pool043.maxd.los_angeles.ca.us.dynip.earthlink.net [206.250.113.193]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08164 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3204DA8F.768B@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 10:14:55 -0700 From: Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: massive e-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how can I setup a e-mail list from the net,usergroups,etc and mail to them in windows 95 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA32175; Sun, 4 Aug 96 14:39:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17760; Sun, 4 Aug 96 14:38:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from homer04.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17754; Sun, 4 Aug 96 14:38:06 -0700 Received: from localhost by homer04.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA51140; Sun, 4 Aug 96 14:38:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin M. Cron" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: A Suggestion Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Pine Team, I am using PINE is a newsreader, and because I am famialiar enough with the interface, it is working very well for me. There are some news-oriented features I would like to request, however. 1) Be able to select messages based on a Text string in the newsgroup field (this would allow me to select all messages cross-posted to any alt. groups by searching for ALT in the newsgroups field. I could also select all cross-posted messages by just selecting the ones with a comma in the newsgroup field. 2)A kill user feature, that would allow me to automatically exclude all messages from user X. This way I could 'kill' the headhunters on seattle.jobs.offered and also the really annoying guy on rec.music.classical. I guess this could also apply to e-mail as well, so I wouldn't have to read e-mail from my ex-girlfriend. If you have any comments based on my suggestions, please e-mail me. Thanks, -Martin Cron From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA32530; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:34:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05085; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:32:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05079; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:32:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unBfu-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:29 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: HELP *** AUTO-RESPOND *** Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:10:48 -0400 Message-Id: References: <3204C512.3BF9@public.uni-augsburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3204C512.3BF9@public.uni-augsburg.de> On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Thomas binder wrote: > i got a problem installing an auto-respond to all incoming mails. > I got a account on a LINUX-Server and therefore I use UNIX-Pine (Version > 3.90 (built Tue Aug 22 19:50:49 CDT 1995)). I will be on vacation for a > long time and don't want my e-mail-partners going crazy on not getting a > response from me. > I would like to reply to all messages with a standard text telling them, > that i am on vacation and won't be able to respond to my mails. > > Is there any possibility to do that with pine???? Pine will not do this for you. However, because LINUX is a variant of Un*x, you may have the program 'vacation' on your system. If you do, it will do what you want in a simple way. If the program 'procmail' is installed, it is a powerful mail processing program which can do many things, including make automatic responses more elaborately than vacation. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA32542; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:34:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18353; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:33:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18347; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:33:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unBhW-00038TC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:31 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: how to disable "User known" message Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:45:25 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, A.T. Phillips wrote: > If I attempt to send an email to a nonexistent user on my local > system, Pine 3.94 rejects the attempt with the following > message: > > Mail not sent: ... User unknown > > Is there a way to turn this off, and force the mail to be sent > (and bounced of course)? There is probably a more direct way of doing this, but ... If you set your smtp-host in your Setup Configuration to a machine which doesn't know itself what users are on your machine (so it will accept the message from Pine, but letter bounce when it tries to pass it to your machine) you will get a real bounce message. I'm sure that there are other ways, and this might not serve your purpose depending on why you want to do what you want to do. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA32548; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:35:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05107; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:34:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05101; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:34:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unBi4-00038UC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:31 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jeremy@hiway1.exit109.com (Jeremy) Subject: Re: massive e-mail Date: 4 Aug 1996 13:50:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4u2nto$p8o@hiway1.exit109.com> References: <4u2lp4$t4@rain.psg.com> cybersonics@earthlink.net (Scott) wrote: >how can I setup a e-mail list from the net,usergroups,etc >and mail to them in windows 95 You can't. Go away. -- Jeremy jeremy@exit109.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00023; Sun, 4 Aug 96 16:06:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18692; Sun, 4 Aug 96 16:05:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vigrid.cfar.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18686; Sun, 4 Aug 96 16:05:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by vigrid.cfar.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17665; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: ADAM Sulmicki To: Jeremy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: massive e-mail In-Reply-To: <4u2nto$p8o@hiway1.exit109.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A little hint. For start do the following steps: 1) Delete win95 2) Install some free unix. Like Linux, or *BSD. 3) Ask the question again. (replaing the windows w/ your favourite unix system you are using) ->cybersonics@earthlink.net (Scott) wrote: ->>how can I setup a e-mail list from the net,usergroups,etc ->>and mail to them in windows 95 -> ->You can't. Go away. -> ->-- ->Jeremy ->jeremy@exit109.com -> -Adam From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00359; Sun, 4 Aug 96 16:54:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19207; Sun, 4 Aug 96 16:52:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19201; Sun, 4 Aug 96 16:52:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unCvh-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 16:49 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Manoj Kasichainula Subject: ssh with pine 3.95 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:39:03 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been trying to set up pine and my IMAP server so that I can get read mail securely using ssh. Here's what I've done 1. Removed rsh, and crearted a symlink: rsh -> ssh 2. Copied ~/.ssh/identity.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (I'm only trying this locally until I can get it working. 3. ln -s /usr/sbin/imapd /etc/rimapd When I start pine, it gets a successful connection (according to my syslog). But for some reason pine closes the connection (the pine-debug files don't even give an indication that an rsh connection was attempted) and goes through normal password authentication. Here is the relevant output from sshd -d: debug: Received session key; encryption turned on. debug: Attempting authentication for manojk. debug: Trying rhosts with RSA host authentication for manojk debug: RhostsRSA authentication failed for 'manojk', remote 'manojk', host 'chutney.ini.cmu.edu'. log: RSA authentication for manojk accepted. debug: Received request for X11 forwarding with auth spoofing. debug: Allocated channel 0. debug: Executing command 'exec /etc/rimapd' debug: Entering interactive session. debug: EOF received for stdin. debug: Received SIGCHLD. debug: End of interactive session; stdin 0, stdout (read 97, sent 97), stderr 379 bytes. debug: Command exited with status 1. debug: Received exit confirmation. Here is the initial output from rsh localhost exec /etc/rimapd: * PREAUTH chutney.ini.cmu.edu IMAP2bis Service 7.8(100) at Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks for your help. Please e-mail your responses, since our news feed is slooow. _________________________________________________________________________ Manoj Kasichainula - manojk@andrew.cmu.edu | "Violence is the first refuge http://dosa.ini.cmu.edu/~manojk/ | of the violent." Finger for PGP public key & Geek Code | - Aaron Allston From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01508; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:29:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07780; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:28:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07774; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:28:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unFO4-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:27 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scrit@azstarnet.com Subject: Incoming Mail from remote accnt Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 19:17:51 -0700 Message-Id: <320559CF.1CCA@azstarnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've had no problems with running pine or sending mail through it, but could someone tell me how to configure pine so it looks up my account on my ISP's mail server? Also, how would pine deal with the password required for the account? I wouldn't like anyone to be able to telnet to my computer and get my mail. Thanks for any info in advance. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01571; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:39:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21249; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:38:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21243; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:38:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unFV9-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:34 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Subject: How Do I Do: Mass Mailings in PINE Date: 5 Aug 1996 02:25:52 GMT Message-Id: <4u3m3g$ip8@arl-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain This is probably is simple question but... Is there any way of sending a letter from regular PINE to a destination list which is given as vlaid network addresses in an ASCII text or ASCII delimited format? e.g. jill@internic.net jack@internic.net guennivere@internic.net etc. Secondly, if this is not possible in regular PINE is there a batch mode PINE or some other batch program which would support this type of multi-sending. Third where can I find the VMS/OPEN-VMS version of PINE? Thanks in Advance, Martin Green From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 20:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02242; Sun, 4 Aug 96 20:49:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08772; Sun, 4 Aug 96 20:48:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08766; Sun, 4 Aug 96 20:48:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unGaE-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 20:43 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sami Tikka Subject: Re: cool thing with imap and mailing list archives Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:27:01 +0300 Message-Id: <31FF5115.7117@research.nokia.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exactly how do you configure imapd to allow people to access mailing list archives? I asked this once a while ago but I got no replies. Apparently there are people who know how to do this. Could you share your wisdom with us? Thanks, Sami From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03086; Sun, 4 Aug 96 22:15:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23214; Sun, 4 Aug 96 22:13:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23208; Sun, 4 Aug 96 22:13:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unHuv-00038BC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 22:09 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "J. Tse" Subject: ASCII Transfer and Pico Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:10:38 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Hi Pico and Pine users, I have been having problems with ASCII transfer (using a terminal program such as Telix) and Pico. Whenever I transfer an ASCII message into Pico, all the lines are jammed into 1 single line and Pico continually tries to "justify" the message. Any one has the same experience? I tried transferring the ASCII message into Vi and the UNIX prompt and there was no problem. Thus I think it isn't a problem of CR/LF. The version of Pico I'm using is 2.5. I'll appreciate any help. Thanks in advance. J. Tse From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04316; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:17:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25154; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:14:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25148; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:14:54 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:12:34 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA26385; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:14:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:14:26 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Adam Vardy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: message gone! In-Reply-To: <4u0to1$66v@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It would have helped if you had mentioned what version of Pine you are using! The old Pine 3.91 did indeed throw away your message if you cancelled it (with ^C). However later versions (possibly 3.92, certainly 3.93, current version is 3.95) usually write cancelled messages to a file called "dead.letter" in your home directory just in case the cancellation was accidental. PC-Pine also, I presume, offers this functionality, although I don't know the name of the file it uses. If you are using Pine 3.93 or later and this isn't happening it has probably been turned off in your preferences ... check your Setup Configuration screen. (In passing I presume you don't mean that Pine really did throw your message away "just" by you typing ^C? I suspect it then asked you whether you _really_ wanted to cancel the message, to which you must have replied "Y", before it did so. However I admit it is unfortunate that most keyboards have X and C next to each other (^X = send, ^C = cancel) :-) Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 4 Aug 1996, Adam Vardy wrote: > > I had a postponed message. Just now I started continuing to write it. > Then I think I pressed Control C. > > There is no sign now of this message anywhere. Gone! Arhhh..#$! > > Can I get it back? > > If not, I really think Pine ought to be updated so that it would not destroy > messages. > > This message had already been saved to a message folder called postponed > messages. > > - Adam > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04340; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:21:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12198; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:18:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12192; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:18:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unKrp-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:18 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sandra Pratt Subject: attachment ? for MacLC Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:56:35 -0700 Message-Id: References: <4u473v$bc0_002@u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4u473v$bc0_002@u.washington.edu> I'd like to know if I can put a disk in my Mac and attach a file from the disk to a mail message. If it is possible, how is it done? I need to send something to a colleague and it is on another computer. We would both prefer to not have to retype the file. It is quite long. Thanks for any help you can give. Sandi Sandra Pratt Yelm, WA I have the ability to learn from my mistakes. I expect to learn a great deal today. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04618; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:06:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12725; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:02:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from frank.mtsu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12719; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:02:50 -0700 Received: from localhost by frank.mtsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA008645852; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:04:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:04:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Hiram Lester Jr." To: Pine Info List Subject: Re: ASCII Transfer and Pico In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, J. Tse wrote: > Hi Pico and Pine users, > I have been having problems with ASCII transfer (using a > terminal program such as Telix) and Pico. Whenever I transfer > an ASCII message into Pico, all the lines are jammed into 1 > single line and Pico continually tries to "justify" the > message. > Any one has the same experience? > I tried transferring the ASCII message into Vi and the UNIX > prompt and there was no problem. Thus I think it isn't a > problem of CR/LF. > The version of Pico I'm using is 2.5. > I'll appreciate any help. Thanks in advance. If you are having problems with line wrapping, you can turn it off with the -w flag when you start pico. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04790; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:35:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13025; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:33:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13019; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:33:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unM0u-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:31 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Subject: How Do I Do: Mass Mailings in PINE Date: 5 Aug 1996 02:24:58 GMT Message-Id: <4u3m1q$ip8@arl-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain This is probably is simple question but... Is there any way of sending a letter from regular PINE to a destination list which is given as vlaid network addresses in an ASCII text or ASCII delimited format? e.g. jill@internic.net jack@internic.net guennivere@internic.net etc. Secondly, if this is not possible in regular PINE is there a batch mode PINE or some other batch program which would support this type of multi-sending. Third where can I find the VMS/OPEN-VMS version of PINE? Thanks in Advance, Martin Green From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04792; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:35:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26057; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:33:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26051; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:33:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unM1U-00038TC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 02:32 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Subject: How Do I Do: Mass Mailings in PINE Date: 5 Aug 1996 02:26:58 GMT Message-Id: <4u3m5i$ip8@arl-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain This is probably is simple question but... Is there any way of sending a letter from regular PINE to a destination list which is given as vlaid network addresses in an ASCII text or ASCII delimited format? e.g. jill@internic.net jack@internic.net guennivere@internic.net etc. Secondly, if this is not possible in regular PINE is there a batch mode PINE or some other batch program which would support this type of multi-sending. Third where can I find the VMS/OPEN-VMS version of PINE? Thanks in Advance, Martin Green From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05130; Mon, 5 Aug 96 03:20:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13488; Mon, 5 Aug 96 03:19:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13473; Mon, 5 Aug 96 03:19:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unMfn-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 03:14 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matt Chatterley Subject: Re: pine+linux+ppp how? Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:52:13 +0000 Message-Id: References: <4tutqd$sft@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> <4u03jl$6sq@ts25-13.homenet.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4u03jl$6sq@ts25-13.homenet.ohio-state.edu> On 3 Aug 1996, Rob Funk wrote: > In article <4tutqd$sft@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>, > Far Beyond Driven... wrote: > > I was wondering how to config pine to send mail with my ppp account > >and have the right sender appear ? You can't actually do this.. but you can get close - ie close enough that replies will work, by setting reply-to to your real email address, this is what I do, and it works fine for me. :) Regards, -Matt Chatterley http://user.itl.net/~neddy/index.html "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." --J.R.R Tolkien From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08035; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:18:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00642; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:15:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-17-10.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00636; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:15:09 -0700 Received: from hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Aug 96 23:19:40 +0800 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:12:38 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: hamlet@panix.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How Do I Do: Mass Mailings in PINE In-Reply-To: <4u3m5i$ip8@arl-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Aug 1996 hamlet@panix.com wrote: > > This is probably is simple question but... > > Is there any way of sending a letter from regular PINE to a destination list > which is given as vlaid network addresses in an ASCII text or ASCII > delimited format? Yes. From the M(ain) menu of pine go to A(ddressbook) and type ?(help). Then do a bit of reading. > Secondly, if this is not possible in regular PINE is there a batch mode > PINE or some other batch program which would support this type of > multi-sending. TMK, pine does not support a command line send. > Third where can I find the VMS/OPEN-VMS version of PINE? Don't know....but others may be more helpful on this matter. ----- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08485; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:37:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17672; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:29:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17664; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:29:32 -0700 Received: from linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us (michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us [198.187.135.22]) by linknet (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA11201; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Schuyler To: Adam Vardy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: message gone! In-Reply-To: <4u0to1$66v@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 4 Aug 1996, Adam Vardy wrote: > > I had a postponed message. Just now I started continuing to write it. > Then I think I pressed Control C. > > There is no sign now of this message anywhere. Gone! Arhhh..#$! > > Can I get it back? No > > If not, I really think Pine ought to be updated so that it would not destroy > messages. I don't think so, myself. It already allows postponed messages (severl, if you want) If you start composing and cancel, that's you decision. What you're asking is for Pine to not delete a message when you ask it to delete a message. You could always keep the prompting on. It ASKS you if you really want to cancel the message and you must say "Y" to really cancel it. > > This message had already been saved to a message folder called postponed > messages. > Right, and you took it FROM postponed messages to work on it some more. Then you cancelled it. Pine acted correctly. Build a system a fool could use and only a fool. will use it. o o o o o o o . . . _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | Kitsap Regional | | LinkNet Support | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | Library | | 'least we try! | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|____________________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ============================================================================ Support: (360) 405-9131 Fax:(360) 405-9128 support@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us Michael Schuyler: Voice:(360) 405-9139 michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08600; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:43:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01415; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:39:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01409; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:39:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unRgy-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:35 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Will Cooke Subject: AIX RS6000 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:21:33 GMT I'm having trouble finding a pre-compiled version of PICO that will run on a RS6000 machine. Does anyone know where I can get a copy? Ta, --Will. P.S. Reply by email would be nice!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anything I say or do is nothing whatso ever to do with The Nottingham Trent University. Even if they made me do it. William Cooke - st2coow@doc.ntu.ac.uk - cc062wc01@ntu.ac.uk ------------http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d4f8bu/web-docs/index.html--------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08841; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:54:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18201; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:51:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dhc1.deehoward.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18195; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:51:28 -0700 Received: from localhost by dhc1.deehoward.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12456; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:48:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:48:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Andrea Gonzales To: Michael Schuyler Cc: Adam Vardy , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: message gone! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The properway to do this is if you go to a postponed msg. and then decide not to write anything again, you postpone it again. ^O Good Luck. On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Michael Schuyler wrote: > On 4 Aug 1996, Adam Vardy wrote: > > > > > I had a postponed message. Just now I started continuing to write it. > > Then I think I pressed Control C. > > > > There is no sign now of this message anywhere. Gone! Arhhh..#$! > > > > Can I get it back? > > No > > > > > If not, I really think Pine ought to be updated so that it would not destroy > > messages. > > I don't think so, myself. It already allows postponed messages (severl, if > you want) If you start composing and cancel, that's you decision. What > you're asking is for Pine to not delete a message when you ask it to > delete a message. You could always keep the prompting on. It ASKS you if > you really want to cancel the message and you must say "Y" to really > cancel it. > > > > > This message had already been saved to a message folder called postponed > > messages. > > > Right, and you took it FROM postponed messages to work on it some more. > Then you cancelled it. Pine acted correctly. > > > > Build a system a fool could use and only a fool. will use it. > o o o o o o o . . . _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ > o _____ | Kitsap Regional | | LinkNet Support | > .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | Library | | 'least we try! | > >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|____________________|_ > _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` > ============================================================================ > Support: (360) 405-9131 Fax:(360) 405-9128 support@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us > Michael Schuyler: Voice:(360) 405-9139 michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrea D. Gonzales adg5283@dhc1.deehowrd.com Dee Howard Co. Mfg. Division Shipping & Receiving Dept. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09092; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:08:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18676; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:05:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18624; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:04:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unS6G-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:01 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) Subject: Re: memory leak in pine?? Date: 31 Jul 1996 19:15:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4tosut$1cr@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article , ADAM Sulmicki wrote: > I think it happens after I open an folder of 9'500 messages Just out of curiousity, on a good day how long does it take to open a folder with 9k messages in it? Tim -- Tim Mooney mooney@toons.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu Information Technology Services (701) 231-1076 (Voice) Room 242-J6, IACC Bldg. (701) 231-8541 (FAX) North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09157; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:11:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18785; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:07:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from capital.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18777; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:07:18 -0700 Received: from athena.capital.edu by capital.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27549; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:00:15 -0400 Received: by athena.capital.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29799; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:00:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:00:11 -0400 From: ttappan@capital.edu (Tom Tappan) Message-Id: <9608051600.AA29799@athena.capital.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Locked folders We are running Pine 3.90 on a Linux system. Ithas been used as a dedicated mail server without problem. This past weekend we installed an NCSA Web Server unto the system. The home page offers the possibility of e-mail to our school. This morning we find that none of our users can open Pine folders in anything except read-only mode. Also the old UNIX mail program will not write the outgoing files to the /tmp directory. As near as I can tell the permissions look normal. Any help would be apprpreciated. Thank you. Thomas W. Tappan ttappan@csg.capital.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10609; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:17:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04368; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:14:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04362; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:14:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unTBT-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:11 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico Date: 31 Jul 1996 19:11:43 -0500 Message-Id: <4tosnv$1bu@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article , Hiram Lester Jr. wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote: > > > Ummmmm... The original question was about how to jump to a specific line > > within the Pico editor (and hence by implication I suspect also within > > Pine's internal composer). > > I don't think there is a way to jump once in the editor, but if Pico is > called with a +n where n is a number, it will start with the cursor on > that line. Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work, but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way. Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico." Tim -- Tim Mooney mooney@toons.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu Information Technology Services (701) 231-1076 (Voice) Room 242-J6, IACC Bldg. (701) 231-8541 (FAX) North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11949; Mon, 5 Aug 96 11:23:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22669; Mon, 5 Aug 96 11:20:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from phantom.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22663; Mon, 5 Aug 96 11:20:08 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by phantom.cac.washington.edu (8.7.5+UW96.07/8.7.3+UW96.07) with SMTP id LAA17063; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:20:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:20:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "J. Tse" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ASCII Transfer and Pico In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Notwithstanding your vi test, I think this is a problem with CR/LF... (Not all programs operate with the same terminal driver modes.) Try looking for a config option on your terminal program that permits CRs to be sent without turning them into CR/LFs. -teg On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, J. Tse wrote: > Hi Pico and Pine users, > I have been having problems with ASCII transfer (using a > terminal program such as Telix) and Pico. Whenever I transfer > an ASCII message into Pico, all the lines are jammed into 1 > single line and Pico continually tries to "justify" the > message. > Any one has the same experience? > I tried transferring the ASCII message into Vi and the UNIX > prompt and there was no problem. Thus I think it isn't a > problem of CR/LF. > The version of Pico I'm using is 2.5. > I'll appreciate any help. Thanks in advance. > > J. Tse > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12975; Mon, 5 Aug 96 12:06:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23990; Mon, 5 Aug 96 12:05:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23966; Mon, 5 Aug 96 12:05:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unUv1-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 12:02 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: routers, gateway In-Reply-To: Imran Mohiuddin's message of Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11: 50:16 -0700 Message-Id: References: <31FD07E8.CD4@opal.tufts.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:28:14 GMT In article <31FD07E8.CD4@opal.tufts.edu> Imran Mohiuddin writes: Is there anyway that I can trace a mail message using pine? In other words I want to see what routers and gateways it has come throught to get to me? If so, How do I do it? A partial solution would be to configure your pine with the enable-full-header-cmd option turned on, and then press H when reading a message. Read the Received: headers from the bottom up to trace the hosts through which the mail traveled. If you really need to identify routers and gateways, the only tool of which I know is traceroute. It is not retrospective, however. -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/435-2983 http://www.access.digex.net/%7Erobjen/dc-sage/bios/rick_troxel/ /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 13:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14374; Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:22:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09496; Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:20:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09490; Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:20:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unW6F-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:18 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kathy@fred.net (Kathy Bilton) Subject: Re: Problem w/ 3.94 compared to 3.91 Date: 1 Aug 1996 03:06:08 GMT Message-Id: <4tp6v0$81e@news.fred.net> References: <4tog43$cb@news.fred.net> Kathy Bilton (kathy@fred.net) wrote: : My provider has just installed 3.94 and there is a new feature that keeps : me from being able to do what I used to be able to do, and am wondering if : there is a way to set something so I can do what I was doing before. Please ignore the original message. I tried to cancel it - without success. What had happened was that the command in config about enabling alternate editor had somehow become enabled - and that was what was causing the problem. (I did not enable it myself - so I don't know how it got enabled... I thought it was a function of the newer version of Pine.) --Kathy From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 13:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14607; Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:38:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26277; Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:35:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26271; Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:35:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unWJ5-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:31 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jim Messina Subject: Re: Usenet Posting Error Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:27:18 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4tq92m$smf@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4tq92m$smf@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> To the real technical wizards of comp.mail.pine may I present yet more information concerning my recent inability to post to any of the three sci.aeronautics.* newgroups, ONLY!!! A sympthetic friend was able to confirm one's inability to post to sci.aeronautics.airliners with the debug results below. Remember, unix Pine 3.91 would post just fine to sci.aero... until about a month ago. One can capture all the news from these three groups normally. > I just ran pine at debug level 9 (the highest) and received the following > errors in its debug file while trying to post to sci.aeronautics.airliners: > > IMAP DEBUG: 3nautics-airliners@moderators.uu.net... > Address contained invalid control characters > No recipient addresses found in header > /news/dead.letter... cannot open: Permission denied > 441 Mailer exited with status 16384 -- Article might not have been mailed > > It obviously couldn't build a valid address to mail to for this moderated > news group. Any ideas boys and girls? > > Jim, can you use Pnews instead utill this if fixed in pine? It works Okay. > > - David From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16168; Mon, 5 Aug 96 14:37:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11757; Mon, 5 Aug 96 14:35:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11751; Mon, 5 Aug 96 14:35:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unXH9-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 14:33 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill Gemmel Subject: Procomm & Pine 3.94 on DG/UX Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 16:23:46 -0700 Message-Id: <32068282.7BF0@bbs.voy-ager.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am creating a e-mail and then attaching a WP document with pine 3.94 and a salesman collects his e-mail with Procomm plus 3.00 on his P.C. In the new Procomm Plus there is a e-mail option in it now. The problem is that when I detach the attachment, WP says invalid Document Format. Is anyone using Procomm's e-mail package with Pine? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17191; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:32:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29581; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:30:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29575; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:30:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unY8v-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:28 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: list of headers? Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:12:19 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4u473v$bc0_002@u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4u473v$bc0_002@u.washington.edu> On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Ming Ma wrote: > I was wondering what all the available headers I could use in an e-mail message > are. Anyone know? If there is a compilation of such a list could someone > point me to it? Thanks. Internet standards are published what called "Draft" Request For Comments (or RFC). The principle RFC that describes internet mail headers is RFC822, although this has been supplemented by later RFCs describing MIME and other extensioins, everything is based on RFC822. The actual set of headers is not really fixed. A particular program can support headers which are not in the standard. For example, some anonymous remailers support various headers like X-Anon-To:. Well behaved non-standard headers begin "X-" (as specified in RFC822), but some systems use badly behaved non-standard headers. You should be able to find the RFCs at a good internet archive near you. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17518; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:44:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13557; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:41:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13525; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:40:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unYJZ-00038TC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:39 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: Symbolic links for spell for Pine/Pico Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:51:09 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4u0qac$159@uucp.intac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4u0qac$159@uucp.intac.com> On 4 Aug 1996, Ed Paolo wrote: > How can I go about doing a symbolic link from /usr/bin/spell to > /usr/contrib/bin/spell ? My Unix system has Spell under a different dir > then the one Pico normally has it for. And the only way I can get it to work > is to do a symbolic link of the two. But I am not that versed in Unix to > do it. In the .pinerc file there is an option "speller" which you can set to anything. Now what I would like is alternative spellers so that I can run either "ispell" or "ispell -d american" depending on where the message is going. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17381; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:54:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13899; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:52:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elaine36.Stanford.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13893; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:52:46 -0700 Received: (from hopemd@localhost) by elaine36.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14516; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Joseph Kim To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Question about printing Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I'm having some trouble printing my email. I was wondering if you could help me because the help command for printing doesn't work. Sincerely, hopemd@leland.stanford.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18803; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:36:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01493; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:34:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from yarra.vicnet.net.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01480; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:34:09 -0700 Received: from rvib2.rvib.org.au (rvib2.rvib.org.au [203.3.138.1]) by yarra.vicnet.net.au (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA26939 for <@yarra.vicnet.net.au:pine-info@cac.washington.edu>; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:33:16 +1000 Received: from rvib2.rvib.org.au by rvib2.rvib.org.au id aa28200; 6 Aug 96 9:30 AEST Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:30:57 +1000 (AEST) From: Les Wallis To: Pine Info Group Subject: Reading Mac files Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is not *strictly* about Pine, but can someone point me to a program to read a mac disc in a dos drive? Preferably free! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20848; Mon, 5 Aug 96 18:38:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17249; Mon, 5 Aug 96 18:34:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.germany.eu.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17243; Mon, 5 Aug 96 18:34:43 -0700 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (5.59:24/EUnetD-2.5.4.c) via EUnet id DAA00667; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 03:34:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199608060132.DAA03023@mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net> Received: by mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (8.6.5:29/EUnetPoP-1.1.9) via EUnet id DAA03023; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 03:32:13 +0200 From: Rudolf Kompf Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:44:59 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: kompf@m_post.ife-le.de To: Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Send a messages again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can I send a message again (which was sent but not answered). There is a copy in my default fcc-folder 'sent-mail'. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rudolf Kompf | E-mail: kompf@ife-le.de From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21214; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:05:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04305; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:03:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vigrid.cfar.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04299; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:03:11 -0700 Received: from localhost by vigrid.cfar.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19995; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: ADAM Sulmicki Reply-To: ADAM Sulmicki To: Tim Mooney Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: memory leak in pine?? In-Reply-To: <4tosut$1cr@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ->> I think it happens after I open an folder of 9'500 messages -> ->Just out of curiousity, on a good day how long does it take to open a folder ->with 9k messages in it? :) Let see...Trying to open saved-messages.. it took about 1 min and 10 second, and it had around 10350 messages and load went up aprox to 0.16.. perhaps I should renice pine to -25 :) But I gave up on using pine for anything else than looking inbox folders, becuse if try open something a bit bigger I get "gifted" w/ something like this (even if I close the folder pine does not give back what it once took) 19917 adam 33 0 26M 12M sleep 0:33 0.04% 0.03% pine Cureently I use glimpse to look over my old mail very cool and fast and pretty useful tool for searching texts of 100mb magnitude. Well gotta quit pine to get its memory usage to sane limits.. but you can try simple experiment, run 'top' at one window , and in other just try open differnet folders using pine in another window, and you notice that pine is eating more and more memory when you open consecutive folders, and is never giving it back. -Adam 13 vigrid% dir total 51467 -rw------- 1 adam 5909301 Aug 5 21:49 archive drwxr-xr-x 2 adam 512 Aug 5 21:51 inbox.mail/ -rw------- 1 adam 8899980 Jul 14 02:54 mail.old -rw------- 1 adam 1282 Aug 5 12:04 postponed-msgs -rw------- 1 adam 20630710 Aug 5 21:50 saved-messages -rw------- 1 adam 13244699 Jun 21 11:53 saved-messages.spring.96 -rw------- 1 adam 3938050 Aug 5 21:40 sent-mail 14 vigrid% uptime 9:53pm up 33 day(s), 22:27, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.16, 0.21 15 vigrid% -Adam From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21241; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:07:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04377; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:05:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04371; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:05:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unbVs-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:04 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pseelig@dialin102.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (Paul Seelig) Subject: Saving messages without attachments? Date: 5 Aug 1996 18:04:00 GMT Message-Id: <4u5d2g$1b0@dialin102.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sometimes i'm attaching large files (200-300KB) to my mail messages, which i don't want to save to my sent-mail folder although i'd like to save the message itself. Is there some way to make Pine (i'm using 3.95 with Linux) save the sent mail without attachments? The only solution i had so far was to edit the sent-mail folder directly with an editor like vi or emacs, but actually this is not very comfortable... TIA, P. Seelig *8^) -- Paul Seelig pseelig@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20977; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:11:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04443; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:09:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-17-10.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04431; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:09:17 -0700 Received: from hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:13:50 +0800 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:06:46 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: kompf@m_post.ife-le.de Cc: Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Re: Send a messages again In-Reply-To: <199608060132.DAA03023@mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Rudolf Kompf wrote: > How can I send a message again (which was sent but not answered). There is > a copy in my default fcc-folder 'sent-mail'. Hummm....two choices come to mind: 1. Use b(ounce) and bounce the copy in the sent-mail folder. The one draw-back to this is bounce only accepts one receipient so if you have several Cc's you have to b(ounce) more than once if you also want to resent to the Cc's. 2. Use f(oward) and forwar the copy from the sent-mail. In this case you may want to edit the Subject: line to remove the (fwd) indication. You may also find yourself editing the body to remove parts added by the forward function. Hope that helps.... Ed ----- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21373; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:23:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17866; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:21:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17860; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:21:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unbhf-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:17 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: George Dimitoglou Subject: Fcc with #MH folders Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 17:31:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3206684D.41C6@achilles.nascom.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------167E2781446B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------167E2781446B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, I would like to know the trick for setting up a Fcc on Pine; The only problem is that we are using #MH problems..Any thoughts on what to do? Thank you --------------167E2781446B Content-Type: application/x-troff-me Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=".me" ICAgICAgID09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09CglHZW9yZ2UgRGlt aXRvZ2xvdQoJTkFTQS1Hb2RkYXJkIFNwYWNlIEZsaWdodCBDZW50ZXIKCVNvSE8vQ0RTIE1p c3Npb24KCiAgICAgICAgR2VvcmdlLkRpbWl0b2dsb3VAZ3NmYy5uYXNhLmdvdgoJZ2Vvcmdl QGxpb24ubmFzY29tLm5hc2EuZ292CglnZW9yZ2VkQGFjaGlsbGVzLm5hc2NvbS5uYXNhLmdv dgogICAgICAgPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0K --------------167E2781446B-- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22440; Mon, 5 Aug 96 20:44:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05775; Mon, 5 Aug 96 20:42:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from phantom.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05769; Mon, 5 Aug 96 20:42:03 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu (shiva2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.202]) by phantom.cac.washington.edu (8.7.5+UW96.07/8.7.3+UW96.07) with SMTP id UAA22393; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:41:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Ed Greshko Cc: kompf@m_post.ife-le.de, Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Re: Send a messages again In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another choice is to save the msg from the sentmail folder into the postponed-messages folder, then press 'C'... -teg On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Ed Greshko wrote: > On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Rudolf Kompf wrote: > > > How can I send a message again (which was sent but not answered). There is > > a copy in my default fcc-folder 'sent-mail'. > > Hummm....two choices come to mind: > > 1. Use b(ounce) and bounce the copy in the sent-mail folder. > The one draw-back to this is bounce only accepts one receipient > so if you have several Cc's you have to b(ounce) more than > once if you also want to resent to the Cc's. > > 2. Use f(oward) and forwar the copy from the sent-mail. In this > case you may want to edit the Subject: line to remove the (fwd) > indication. You may also find yourself editing the body to > remove parts added by the forward function. > > Hope that helps.... > > Ed > > ----- > Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > Control Data Asia/Pacific Region > Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22717; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:03:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06028; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:01:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06022; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:01:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0undHi-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 20:58 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "H. Mark Keintz" Subject: IMSP ... is it coming? Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:29:33 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have knowledge of PINE development plans? Specifically, I would like to know whether there are plans to introduce IMSP to pine. I understand IMSP is a standard which will allow a client user, running PC-PINE, say, to access files (addressbook) on the server, much as IMAP permits manipulation of both remote and local folders. thanks, mark Mark Keintz University of Pennsylvania / 6298 Computer Core Director Population Studies Center mark_keintz@pop.upenn.edu 3718 Locust Walk phone: 215/898-6713 fax: 898-2124 Philadelphia, PA 19104-6298 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22786; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:13:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19547; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:11:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-17-10.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19541; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:11:23 -0700 Received: from hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 6 Aug 96 12:15:54 +0800 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:08:53 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Terry Gray Cc: kompf@m_post.ife-le.de, Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Re: Send a messages again In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Terry Gray wrote: > Another choice is to save the msg from the sentmail folder into the > postponed-messages folder, then press 'C'... Hummm....sounds like a useful function. Now, if we had a single keystroke to accomplish that..... :-) Ed > -teg > > On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Rudolf Kompf wrote: > > > > > How can I send a message again (which was sent but not answered). There is > > > a copy in my default fcc-folder 'sent-mail'. > > > > Hummm....two choices come to mind: > > > > 1. Use b(ounce) and bounce the copy in the sent-mail folder. > > The one draw-back to this is bounce only accepts one receipient > > so if you have several Cc's you have to b(ounce) more than > > once if you also want to resent to the Cc's. > > > > 2. Use f(oward) and forwar the copy from the sent-mail. In this > > case you may want to edit the Subject: line to remove the (fwd) > > indication. You may also find yourself editing the body to > > remove parts added by the forward function. > > > > Hope that helps.... > > > > Ed > > > > ----- > > Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > > Control Data Asia/Pacific Region > > Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > > FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > > > > > ----- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23086; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:39:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19946; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:37:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19922; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:37:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0undoA-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:31 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: timr@crl.com (Tim Rice) Subject: Re: PC-Pine for MAC Date: 5 Aug 1996 20:48:37 -0700 Message-Id: <4u6fal$mlp@crl3.crl.com> References: <1996Jul31.150454@msuvx1.memphis.edu> chetanvr@cc.memphis.edu wrote: : is there a PC-Pine program for Macintosh operating system? : is there a similar mail program for Macintosh operating system? : please let me know of the ftp site where the program is available. There is Mailstorm in one of the mac directories on ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu : thanks : chetan : e-mail "chetan.ramanna@stjude.org" -- ----- Tim Rice Multitalents 707 887-1469 tim@trr.metro.net From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23137; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:42:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06597; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:41:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06591; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:41:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0undsS-00038TC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:36 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: timr@crl.com (Tim Rice) Subject: Re: Whats the newest version of pine (3.93??)_ Date: 5 Aug 1996 20:58:58 -0700 Message-Id: <4u6fu2$mqc@crl3.crl.com> References: You can allways find the newest production version at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine Goldarg (goldarg@azstarnet.com) wrote: : I have pine 3.93 but I need to know what the newest version is so my : provider can get it. : +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ : | Http://www.azstarnet.com/~goldarg | : | Goldarg@azstarnet.com | : | Ask Me how to get my Home Page by Mail if you dont have WWW access or | : | If you have Telnet Access Ask me for a list of web browers available | : | through Telnet Sites,or Email. | : | Cheap Programmers For Hire Here! | : +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- ----- Tim Rice Multitalents 707 887-1469 tim@trr.metro.net From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23454; Mon, 5 Aug 96 22:13:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20487; Mon, 5 Aug 96 22:11:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20481; Mon, 5 Aug 96 22:11:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uneNr-00038TC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 22:08 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: message gone! Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:57:57 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4u0to1$66v@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4u0to1$66v@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Adam, It is a little difficult to figure out what happened. On 4 Aug 1996, Adam Vardy wrote: > I had a postponed message. Just now I started continuing to write it. > Then I think I pressed Control C. Control C (for cancel) asks for confirmation. Did you confirm that you wanted the message cancelled? Remember, ctrl-O is for postpone. Also, version 3.95 (at least) writes the most recently cancelled message into a file called deal.letter. If you haven't cancelled anything since it whould be there. > If not, I really think Pine ought to be updated so that it would not destroy > messages. I really does make it hard for you to destroy messages, but cancelling, confirming it has to believe you. Even then it gives you a chance. Minden jot, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24527; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:04:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08420; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:01:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08414; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:01:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0ung8b-00038UC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:01 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mingm@u.washington.edu (Ming Ma) Subject: list of headers? Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 07:16:15 GMT Message-Id: <4u473v$bc0_002@u.washington.edu> I was wondering what all the available headers I could use in an e-mail message are. Anyone know? If there is a compilation of such a list could someone point me to it? Thanks. ______ Ming Ma University of Washington http://weber.u.washington.edu/~mingm From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24548; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:07:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08464; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:03:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08456; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:03:27 -0700 Received: from makani.k12.hi.us by hekili (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA20934; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:05:57 -1000 Received: from localhost by makani.k12.hi.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA05799; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:05:47 -1000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:05:47 -1000 (HST) From: David Langen X-Sender: dlangen@makani To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: printing from the email Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since the recent changes in Pine, I can't print my email anymore. I don't know if this is coincidence or something to do with the new changes. Also, when I could print, I could only print what I see on the screen, not the whole text. Is there a way to print the whole email message, not just what appears on the screen? If anyone knows about either of my questions, please write me at dlangen@makani.k12.hi.us From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24755; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:26:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22147; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:21:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22141; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:21:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0ungQ6-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 00:19 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: memory leak in pine?? Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:03:09 -0700 Message-Id: References: <4tosut$1cr@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Most implementations of malloc() do not give back memory. Pine is giving the space back, but that just causes more free space in the malloc() arena and not reducing the process memory size. This is all due to UNIX's need to be compatible with the days when it ran on a 32K PDP-11... ;-) If you are going to use 20MB folders on a regular basis, I strongly suggest that you look into converting to tenex format. The standard UNIX format requires that a completely in-memory snapshot be made of the entire folder. This is not the case with tenex format, and this results in substantial savings. The disadvantage with tenex format is that most other mail programs don't recognize it. On 5 Aug 1996, ADAM Sulmicki wrote: > > ->> I think it happens after I open an folder of 9'500 messages > -> > ->Just out of curiousity, on a good day how long does it take to open a folder > ->with 9k messages in it? > > :) > > Let see...Trying to open saved-messages.. it took about 1 min and 10 > second, and it had around 10350 messages and load went up aprox to 0.16.. > perhaps I should renice pine to -25 :) > > But I gave up on using pine for anything else than looking inbox folders, > becuse if try open something a bit bigger I get "gifted" w/ something like > this (even if I close the folder pine does not give back what it once took) > > 19917 adam 33 0 26M 12M sleep 0:33 0.04% 0.03% pine > > Cureently I use glimpse to look over my old mail very cool and fast and > pretty useful tool for searching texts of 100mb magnitude. > > Well gotta quit pine to get its memory usage to sane limits.. but you can > try simple experiment, run 'top' at one window , and in other just try > open differnet folders using pine in another window, and you notice that > pine is eating more and more memory when you open consecutive folders, and > is never giving it back. > > -Adam > > 13 vigrid% dir > total 51467 > -rw------- 1 adam 5909301 Aug 5 21:49 archive > drwxr-xr-x 2 adam 512 Aug 5 21:51 inbox.mail/ > -rw------- 1 adam 8899980 Jul 14 02:54 mail.old > -rw------- 1 adam 1282 Aug 5 12:04 postponed-msgs > -rw------- 1 adam 20630710 Aug 5 21:50 saved-messages > -rw------- 1 adam 13244699 Jun 21 11:53 saved-messages.spring.96 > -rw------- 1 adam 3938050 Aug 5 21:40 sent-mail > 14 vigrid% uptime > > 9:53pm up 33 day(s), 22:27, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.16, 0.21 > 15 vigrid% > > > > > -Adam > > > > -- Mark -- Read http://www.imap.org for the "best kept secret in email" DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 01:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25092; Tue, 6 Aug 96 01:14:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09461; Tue, 6 Aug 96 01:11:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09455; Tue, 6 Aug 96 01:11:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unhDu-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 01:10 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: IMSP ... is it coming? Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:32:09 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: IMSP has been re-designed and renamed ACAP (Application Configuration Access Protocol). We are currently planning to implement ACAP support in Pine 4.x (it probably won't make 4.00 though). |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, Box 354841 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, H. Mark Keintz wrote: > From: "H. Mark Keintz" > Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: IMSP ... is it coming? > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:29:33 -0400 > Organization: University of Pennsylvania > Message-ID: > NNTP-Posting-Host: lexis.pop.upenn.edu > > > Does anyone have knowledge of PINE development plans? > > Specifically, I would like to know whether there are plans to introduce > IMSP to pine. I understand IMSP is a standard which will allow a client > user, running PC-PINE, say, to access files (addressbook) on the server, > much as IMAP permits manipulation of both remote and local folders. > > > thanks, > mark > > > > Mark Keintz University of Pennsylvania / 6298 > Computer Core Director Population Studies Center > mark_keintz@pop.upenn.edu 3718 Locust Walk > phone: 215/898-6713 fax: 898-2124 Philadelphia, PA 19104-6298 > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 03:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26162; Tue, 6 Aug 96 03:02:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10562; Tue, 6 Aug 96 02:51:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10556; Tue, 6 Aug 96 02:51:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unij7-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 02:47 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: xzhuang@cdac.com (Xin Huang) Subject: HELP: post newsgroups using pine?? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:19:41 GMT i think there is a way to do it. and also i would like to cc to individual parties, sometimes. please help me any help is greatly appreciated thanks xin From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26511; Tue, 6 Aug 96 03:56:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24607; Tue, 6 Aug 96 03:51:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24601; Tue, 6 Aug 96 03:51:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unjfV-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 03:47 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Elliot Cole Subject: Turning off Mail Copies Permanently Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 02:31:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3206E6CB.1612@bc.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I work in a public lab environment, and so I need to find a way to permanently turn the autosave feature off. Does anyone know of a way of changing the program so that the users will not even have the option for this? Elliot Cole Technical Support Advisor Boston College elliot.cole@bc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 04:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26629; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:15:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11671; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:11:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11665; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:11:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unk1G-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:09 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: an682942@anon.penet.fi (BILL OVERTON) Message-Id: <050326Z04081996@anon.penet.fi> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 05:02:04 UTC Subject: NEED A GOOD PPP PACKET DRIVER SUBJECT I am currently using EtherPPP with Minuet. Due to the fact that EtherPPP requires some 126000 bytes of resident memory, this causes Minuet to crash regularly. I cannot use the graphics option of the browser, only text, as using graphics will draw about one half of the first graphics page before it crashes the system. Does anyone know of a good PPP packet driver that works with DOS? No Windows, and no Novell network. For pay OK. I have written a dialer so the procedure could be just a packet driver with no dialing options. PINE Pine will not even load on my graphics monitor system with EtherPPP loaded. I have to use a monochrome system where I can use the "A" bank for system memory, then Pine will run. Zenia Data Systems BBS 915 689 3426 Midland, Texas --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse@anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help@anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin@anon.penet.fi From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 04:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26660; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:23:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25133; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:21:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25127; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:21:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unkCv-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:21 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: boss@new-zealand.italpro.com (Michele Beltrame) Subject: Re: Whats the newest version of pine (3.93??)_ Date: 6 Aug 1996 11:11:34 GMT Message-Id: References: Hi Goldarg! >I have pine 3.93 but I need to know what the newest version is so my >provider can get it. 3.95. Mic. -- ---> Michele Beltrame http://www.italpro.com boss@italpro.com <--- ---> ITALPRO SRL itamark@italpro.com +39-427-71649 <--- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA30078; Tue, 6 Aug 96 08:35:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15609; Tue, 6 Aug 96 08:31:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.kitsap.lib.wa.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15603; Tue, 6 Aug 96 08:31:13 -0700 Received: from linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us (linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us [198.187.135.22]) by mail.kitsap.lib.wa.us (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24498; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:32:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Schuyler To: kompf@m_post.ife-le.de Cc: Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Re: Send a messages again In-Reply-To: <199608060132.DAA03023@mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Rudolf Kompf wrote: > How can I send a message again (which was sent but not answered). There is > a copy in my default fcc-folder 'sent-mail'. Easiest way is to open sent-mail and forward the message to the same recipient. You have a chance to edit out all the forward stuff if you want. o o o o o o o . . . _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | Kitsap Regional | | LinkNet Support | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | Library | | 'least we try! | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|____________________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ============================================================================ Support: (360) 405-9131 Fax:(360) 405-9128 support@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us Michael Schuyler: Voice:(360) 405-9139 michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA31507; Tue, 6 Aug 96 09:24:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17110; Tue, 6 Aug 96 09:15:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17104; Tue, 6 Aug 96 09:15:44 -0700 Received: from ciint by ns.NL.net via EUnet id AA08507 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:01:36 +0200 Received: from pulsar.ciint.nl by ciint.ciint.nl id aa29072; 6 Aug 96 17:44 WET Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:45:20 +0100 (WET) From: Richard Gering To: Tim Mooney Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico In-Reply-To: <4tumrk$6l2@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 3 Aug 1996, Tim Mooney wrote: > We've already seen one patch posted to this thread that implements the > desired feature. If it rains here this weekend I may come up with my own > patch to add the same feature, but with `Goto-line = ^N' listed as one of > the options right in the ^W menu, so it's no secret to the neophyte users. Just for the record, the patch posted DID have the goto feature mentioned right in the ^W menu. The only "secret" was in the way the goto feature worked, but an explanation of this was added to the context sensitive help (^G). With this, even neophyte users should be able to figure it out. Regards, - Richard Gering. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) | Let me make one thing perfectly clear: | | CI International B.V. Netherlands | I never explain anything! (Mary Poppins)| +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00365; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:30:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19218; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:27:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19212; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:27:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unpqa-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:23 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Faisal Karim Subject: setting up autoresponder Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:59:16 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1. Does anyone knows how to use autorespponder. 2. Does anyone knows how to redirect mail using the from header. Faisal Karim 401, Stasney Street, Texas A&M University College Station, Tx-77840 faisal@ee.tamu.edu (409)846-5943(H) http://ee.tamu.edu/~faisal From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00839; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:43:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03128; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:40:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elaine27.Stanford.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03122; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:40:35 -0700 Received: (from dgoodman@localhost) by elaine27.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA12359; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dee Goodman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: question regarding new messages Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When you get a new message and you're already IN Pine, is there a way to get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00990; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:50:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03317; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:47:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03303; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:47:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unqDP-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:46 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Qingchun Guo Subject: A question about email address Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:21:15 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: When I send eamil to someone, my email address appears automatically in the header of my message, such as: From: Qingchun Guo My question: Is there a way to make a different address appear here instead of my real address "guo@bull.gsfc.nasa.gov"? The reason I ask this question: I change my computer very often. Each time I change my computer, my real email address changes. Fortunately, I have a formal email address in my organization: Qingchun.Guo@gsfc.nasa.gov. If my friends send a message to this formal address, my organization will automatically forward it to my real address. So I want all my friends to use my formal address, not my real address. But if my real address appears in the header of my every message, my friends will use my real address instead of my formal address. That's why I want to let my formal address appear in the header of my message, instead of my real address. Is that possible? Thank you for your help. If you write to me, please use my formal address (Qingchun.Guo@gsfc.nasa.gov). Please do not use my real address that appears in the header of this article. Thanks in advance! Qingchun Guo From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01287; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:57:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20000; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:52:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19994; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:52:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unqG7-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:49 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: What is Bounce? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:58:28 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4to90t$l8@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> On 31 Jul 1996, Adam Vardy wrote: > Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does? Bounce is like Forward, except: that were Forward included the forwarded message in the body of a new message, bounce resends the message itself. Forward will create a brand new set of headers for the message it sends (and include the old headers in the body of message), while bounce will reuse the original headers (including the to and the from), but will send the message to the person you specify. Bounce will add to the headers "Resent-to:" and "Resent-from:" I usually use bounce when someone sends me mail that really should have gone to someone else. That way the real recipient can reply to the message and the reply will go to the original sender. However, when I bounce a message to someone, I let them know (possibly via a separate email message) that I am doing that. I have also used bounce as a lazy way of moving mail from one account to another. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02490; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:46:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04960; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:42:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04954; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:42:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unr2l-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:39 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill Stewart Subject: Re: Procomm & Pine 3.94 on DG/UX Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:38:11 -0600 Message-Id: References: <32068282.7BF0@bbs.voy-ager.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <32068282.7BF0@bbs.voy-ager.com> On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Bill Gemmel wrote: >I am creating a e-mail and then attaching a WP document with pine >3.94 and a salesman collects his e-mail with Procomm plus 3.00 on >his P.C. In the new Procomm Plus there is a e-mail option in it >now. The problem is that when I detach the attachment, WP says >invalid Document Format. Is anyone using Procomm's e-mail package >with Pine? Perhaps he doesn't have a new enough version of WordPerfect? ----------------------------- Bill Stewart wstewart@unm.edu http://www.unm.edu/~wstewart/ ----------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02543; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:47:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21534; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:46:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21528; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:45:55 -0700 Received: from maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with ESMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id MAA01109 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:46:24 -0600 Received: from gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca (gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.98.13]) by maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA36888; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:45:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:45:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Lea X-Sender: maldridg@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca To: Dee Goodman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: question regarding new messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dee Goodman wrote: > When you get a new message and you're already IN Pine, is there a way to > get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine? Have you tried hitting 'm' for main menu and then 'i' for incoming-message folder? It shouldn't be necessary to quit Pine entirely to get to your new messages... Lea ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marianne Aldridge (Lea) CNS Consulting Team; Helpdesk maldridg@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca OR helpdesk@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 492-9380 (voicemail) OR 492-9400 (helpdesk) http://www.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/tutor/Tutorials.html http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/Wiz/Wizard ..'But I didn't *mean* to be brave - it just sort of happened when I panicked...'... -Piglet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03399; Tue, 6 Aug 96 12:27:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22534; Tue, 6 Aug 96 12:23:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22528; Tue, 6 Aug 96 12:23:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unrgB-00038UC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 12:20 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Patti Johnson Subject: 'Incomplete maildomain "myhost."' SOLVED Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 10:25:09 +0000 Message-Id: <32071D85.5410@wcu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all! This question hasn't been asked in a while - but it was asked this year, at least. I never saw a final "reason," only a fix.... which works. On a late night last week, my weakened brain tripped upon the answer & I thought I'd share it... I was getting the 'Incomplete maildomain "myhost."' error whenever I started Pine 3.9x (3, I think) on my new Solaris 2.5 machine. The same software (Pine) had worked faultlessly for over a year on a similar machine having Sol 2.4. So, what's the difference? Remember, I was tired, but I vaguely remember that the /etc/hosts file is what made the difference. Pine gave the error whenever the machine name preceeded the FQDN on its host line eg: 123.45.678.9 mymachine mymachine.domain.name But when I switch the two, Pine worked fine (without the change to the pine.conf file): 123.45.678.9 mymachine.domain.name mymachine ... seems Pine looks at the hosts file for its info - and only the first entry at that. Since "mymachine" isn't (obviously) a FQDN, it complained. BTW, for those of you moving to Solaris 2.5 from 2.4, I found that my sendmail was handing out configuration errors to all who dared mail my new machine. seems it had found some kind of endless loop & was sending mail to itself - and burped. Turned out a change to my nsswitch.conf file fixed that too. Originally, the hosts line in there had "files dns" When I switch the order to "dns files" sendmail stopped complaining. FWIW, take care pj -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patti Johnson (pj) | pjohnson@wcu.edu WCU Computer Center | Western Carolina University | "Now, if I had a brain and it wasn't in Cullowhee, N.C. 28723 | my head, where would I keep it?" 704-227-7282 | -Ryan Steele From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04125; Tue, 6 Aug 96 13:05:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07018; Tue, 6 Aug 96 13:03:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07012; Tue, 6 Aug 96 13:03:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unsIt-00038TC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 13:00 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Edmund Lau Subject: Re: question regarding new messages Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:33:14 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Aug 1996, Dee Goodman wrote: > When you get a new message and you're already IN Pine, is there a way to > get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine? > You could also hit Control L while in Pine. That will force Pine to do a mail check. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06372; Tue, 6 Aug 96 14:43:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09644; Tue, 6 Aug 96 14:38:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09638; Tue, 6 Aug 96 14:38:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (dlm@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.7.5+UW96.07/8.7.3+UW96.07) with SMTP id OAA05761 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:38:13 -0700 X-Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for dlm+postmaster; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by shivams.cac.washington.edu (8.7.5+UW96.07/8.7.3+UW96.07) with SMTP id SAA15026 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:00:23 -0700 X-Received: from paw.montana.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16761; Mon, 5 Aug 96 18:00:22 -0700 X-Received: from freemail ([206.230.43.70]) by paw.montana.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16649 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608051903463.FreeMail.com> To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scottk Date: Mon 05 Aug 1996 20:40:45 EDT Reply-To: scottk X-Mailer: FreeMail SMTP Gateway v2.0 Rev 6e (W16) X-Webpage: http://www.FreeMail.com Subject: RE: AIX RS6000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Ta, you've come to the right place! ------------- This mail message is being generated by an evaluation copy of FreeMail. If this software is to be used beyond the 30 day evaluation period or for any commercial purpose a license must be obtained by calling (406) 586-4200. On 8/5/96 you wrote: > I'm having trouble finding a pre-compiled version of PICO > that will run on a RS6000 machine. Does anyone know where > I can get a copy? On 7/5/96 Felipe wrote: > I like to know where I get compiled pine for aix 4.1 running on a rs6000 > > > Felipe (nogueira@dsc.ufpb.br) > ------------ I'd try the AIX Public Domain Software Library (aixpdslib) at UCLA. You can http or ftp there at http://aixpdslib.seas.ucla.edu They've got a wide variety of software; available as source or also pre-compiled binary. ( But if you get it pre-compiled, you miss all the real fun! ) The instructions for compiling the source (at least for 3.2.5) is quite clear, and even for this novice, quite easy. Go for it! kls However, as you'll see in the following message, there is a slight diffence of opinions: ------------- Don't get the stuff from pdslib. Get the 3.2 pre-compiled binaries at the PINE home site. They run fine on our R30 4.x box. The source for 3.94 won't compile on 3.94 (at least not on our site). However, get the 3.94 binaries, as earlier versions had many problems for us (check the archives for my anguished cries...) Greg dhc1.deehoward.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) ------------------- From: FreeMail!owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu To: all@Ken.Scott Subject: AIX RS6000 Written: 09:21 AM on Monday Aug 05, 1996 Received: 08:23 PM on Monday Aug 05, 1996 Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: AIX RS6000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:21:33 GMT --Will. P.S. Reply by email would be nice!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anything I say or do is nothing whatso ever to do with The Nottingham Trent University. Even if they made me do it. William Cooke - st2coow@doc.ntu.ac.uk - cc062wc01@ntu.ac.uk ------------http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d4f8bu/web-docs/index.html--------------- _______________Headers_______________ Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01415; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:39:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01409; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:39:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unRgy-00038BC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:35 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Will Cooke Subject: AIX RS6000 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:21:33 GMT From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06905; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:01:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26785; Tue, 6 Aug 96 14:58:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26779; Tue, 6 Aug 96 14:58:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unu6b-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 14:56 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rob Funk) Subject: Re: A question about email address Date: 6 Aug 1996 15:46:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4u87eh$247@ts35-6.homenet.ohio-state.edu> References: In article , Qingchun Guo wrote: >My question: Is there a way to make a different address appear here >instead of my real address "guo@bull.gsfc.nasa.gov"? [...] >If you write to me, please use my formal address >(Qingchun.Guo@gsfc.nasa.gov). Please do not use my real address that >appears in the header of this article. Sounds like a job for the "Reply-to:" header. -- =========== R o b F u n k ===========|===========> funk+@osu.edu <=========== Guildenstern: "So there you are." |rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Rosencrantz: "Stark raving sane." |rfunk@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Tom Stoppard, Ros. & Guil. Are Dead)|http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~funkr From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07015; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:05:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10364; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:03:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10358; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:03:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unuDK-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:02 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: 3.95 freezes on broken imap ... Date: 6 Aug 1996 12:49:50 -0600 Message-Id: <4u844e$564i@musca.unm.edu> PINE 3.95 AIX 4.1.4 IRIX 5.3 Hello, Our pine 3.95 indicate following issue: pine 3.91 and before: losing imap would only required the user to quit and start another session of pine. User did not lose the connection to client host which (s)he got on via telnet or xterm or whatever ... pine 3.95 : if imap connection to server is broken for whatever reason, my window session (telnet,xterm,etc,etc) is frozen .... Can this be taken care of (i.e compile time flags) or is this a bug ... ? Thanks, hamjavar@unm.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10101; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:31:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00800; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:28:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00790; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:28:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unwTC-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:27 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Hans Schleichert Subject: PC-Pine 3.95 -P doesn't work Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:19:40 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The -P command line option (global pinerc file location) doesn't work for PC Pine 3.95. Any workarounds available? - Hans Schleichert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Schleichert Institut fuer Medizinische Psychologie und Verhaltensneurobiologie (Institute of Medical Psychology and Behavioural Neurobiology) Eberhard-Karls-University Gartenstrasse 29 D-72074 Tuebingen, Germany From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10881; Tue, 6 Aug 96 18:24:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01748; Tue, 6 Aug 96 18:22:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from warp.ecn.net.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01742; Tue, 6 Aug 96 18:22:12 -0700 Received: from brecom.UUCP by ecn.net.au with UUCP id AA19069 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for cac.washington.edu!pine-info); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:05:32 +1000 Received: from unixdev by brecom.amh.com.au id aa09594; 7 Aug 96 10:50 est Received: from kevin by unixdev.amh.com.au id aa00711; 7 Aug 96 10:45 est Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:52:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin B Fleming To: Dee Goodman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: question regarding new messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Sender: kevin@unixdev Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dee Goodman wrote: > When you get a new message and you're already IN Pine, is there a way to > get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine? When in the INDEX press ^L (CTRL L). This forces pine to check for new mail. ____________________________________________________________ _--_|\ Kevin B Fleming kevin@amh.com.au internal phone: 40225 / AMH Network Administrator phone: +61 7 3810-2225 \_.--._/ Australia Meat Holdings fax: +61 7 3816-0535 v "Standards are great because they give non-conformists something not to conform to" From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12178; Tue, 6 Aug 96 19:35:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16456; Tue, 6 Aug 96 19:33:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16449; Tue, 6 Aug 96 19:33:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0unyPt-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 19:32 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shorne@millenium.texas.net (Stephen Horne) Subject: ?? New Messages Date: 6 Aug 1996 23:58:32 GMT Message-Id: <4u8m78$m4e@news2.texas.net> Hello all, A quick question: When I log into my shell account I usually get the "You have new email" message. I run pine and there are the new messages. However, sometimes I sign on and the system just says "You have mail". When I run pine I have new mail that I haven't read. What is going on? Has someone hacked my account? Thanks in advance, Stephen Horne San Antonio, TX From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13849; Tue, 6 Aug 96 22:13:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18538; Tue, 6 Aug 96 22:09:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ksc8.th.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18532; Tue, 6 Aug 96 22:09:52 -0700 Received: by ksc8.th.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21077; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:10:14 +0700 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:10:13 +0700 (TST) From: John Arvid Edkins To: Pine-Info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would very much appreciate some advice on how to Disable the Word Wrap in Pine/Pico. I am using the latest DOS version of Pine. I need to regularly email a very long and single string of characters which I have to insert on the first line in the body of the email message. This long line has one single SPACE - there are no other spaces in the rest of line. Ideally I want to send a long single line string which contains over 2000 characters - however if this is not possible then a string of a few 100 characters would be OK. I have been advised that I can do this by typing "pico -w" at the $ prompt. Then Ctrl/R to merge in my long string. Then save. Then when sending the actual email; Ctrl/R to merge the saved file into the body of the text. However, this does not work as the line breaks at the SPACE and the rest of the long string then drops down onto the second line. I have even tried typing the long string in Pico manually but this does not work either. Just so you know why I need to do this - I am based in Thailand and Email our company newsletter to over 300 customers each day who have subscribed to our list. However, E-Mail from Thailand is very expensive. Therefore, we have set up another email account in another country. This 2nd provider does not charge for email. They have a 'real to' or email forwarding feature. So I can send just ONE email from Thailand to this 2nd provider which contains all 300 Email addresses for forwarding. However, this has some limitations as the 300 addresses have to be sent as described above in a single line string; The actual command line is; Real-Bcc: "email address 1","email address 2", etc etc I hope this rather long winded explanation fully explains my question. If anyone can help please give me step by step instructions as I am very new to Pine. Thanks in anticipation. John Edkins johned@ksc8.th.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11537; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:15:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19355; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:14:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19348; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:14:27 -0700 Received: from makani.k12.hi.us by hekili (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA01088; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:16:59 -1000 Received: from localhost by makani.k12.hi.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA24997; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:16:55 -1000 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:16:55 -1000 (HST) From: David Langen X-Sender: dlangen@makani To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: new Pine operations Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I asked for help the other day because I couldn't print off my Pine connections. I can do it now. Is there anyone who can tell me how to print the whole message, not just the screen I'm looking at? Also, somehow all my email is going into a "read only" folder which can't be deleted. What can I do about that? Please advise. Thanks, dlangen@makani.k12.hi.us From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14509; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:30:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06960; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:28:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from giasbma.vsnl.net.in by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06954; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:28:19 -0700 Received: from localhost by giasbma.vsnl.net.in (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA28128; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:00:41 +0530 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:00:40 +0530 (IST) From: "VASANI JIGNESH C." X-Sender: jig@giasbma To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Security in Pine.. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi... and HELP!!!!! We need to allow export of files only from the users area( eg. not allow them to do a ^R and mail the /etc/passwd file to themselves :-) ) We have the source for pine 3.95. We are running Linux 1.2.1. We tried using pico as an alternate editor(use-alt-editor-imp9licitly, always-use-alt-editor features). We invoked Pico with the -o option. But we faced the following problem..... While returning to the main screen(from where we actually send the mail) we had to save the file. This file could not be opened for sending and could only be sent as an attachment, which is not the normal procedure. Is there something we are missing out? Or are we going wrong somewhere? We also tried to modify the source.... But we didn't know where exactly to make the changes. Could someone please point out where the changes are to be made? We are extremely rushed for time..... and would really appreciate a quick reply.... Thanx in advance. --Parag Someshwar-- (QuantumLink Communications) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14535; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:32:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06996; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:29:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06990; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:29:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo26o-00038UC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:28 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Doctor Johassen Subject: VMS Newsreading. Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 00:31:09 -0700 Message-Id: <3208463D.36BE@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to set the nntp server on a VMS installation of pine (on sol.yorku.ca) and it keeps telling me in the folder list that there's no such host. Now I know that this is an active news host because I can use it from other sites on the yorku.ca domain. I also know that Sol can connect to the host because when I try to telnet there, the connection completes before it is refused. Now I know that VMS has some conventions about naming external address, such as prefixing email addresses with in%", etc. Is there some convention like this at work here? Do I need {} brackets around something? do I need to change the collection location? I'm running out of ideas. . . Thanks, Eric -- * * * * * * Doctor Johassen * * * * * * * * * * * johassen@ix.netcom.com * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3292 * * * * * * * * * * * Look for me as HappyPant on IRC, channel #Cheers * * * * * * * * * * * ================================================ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14712; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:46:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19829; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:44:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19817; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:44:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo2Jy-00038BC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:42 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gdimitog@polaris.umuc.edu (George Dimitoglou) Subject: Fcc with MH folders Date: 6 Aug 1996 03:53:52 GMT Message-Id: <4u6fkg$o91@nova.umuc.edu> From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14723; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:46:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07264; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:44:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07258; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:44:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo2Le-00038TC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:44 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nevin Kapur Subject: Re: message gone! Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:46:09 -0400 Message-Id: References: <4u0to1$66v@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I have faced similar problems (^C instead of ^X). Even if Pine does not store the message, most probably a copy of the editor buffer will be there in your home directory (I am assuming you are using UNIX). If you are using the default - Pico- this file is #pico... something like that. Hope this helps -Nevin -- Nevin Kapur (soon at http://www.cbl.ncsu.edu/~kapur) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16028; Wed, 7 Aug 96 02:37:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22018; Wed, 7 Aug 96 02:29:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22012; Wed, 7 Aug 96 02:29:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo4ud-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 02:28 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Scott@Op.Net (Scott Peikin) Subject: Tomorrow Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 09:18:37 GMT Message-Id: <4u9n37$qqm@picasso.op.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Note: Please Copy this file, as its contents, if they ever get out world wide will seriously impact the global economy as we know it. Reducing profit to companies and giving people world wide about 60% more buying power. Governments will try to repress this information. It directly targets the largest companies and profitable organizations and if any of these designs are implemented, those companies are going to be crucified. If you see it get pulled, please repost it to every news group in the world. Over and Over again. And Mail it to all of your friends. The first challenge is to see how powerful the net really is. thanks, Scott@Op.Net Tomorrow.......... V.C.C. Written and developed by Scott Peikin of DiverseNet Inc. Serious contributions to Vcc from K. Table of Contents Aim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 Background on Interactive Marketing Technologies ---------- 4 Introduction: The Virtual Storefront ------------------------------ 5 What Can the World Wide Web Do for V.C.C. ---------------- 6 The Competition ------------------------------------------------------ 7 Why not a Conventional "Virtual Business" -------------------- 8 Marketing Strategy: How will V.C.C. beat the competition -- 8 The United Consumers Club --------------------------------------- 11 Cost Analysis----------------------------------------------------------- 12 Year 1 Targets-----------------------------------------------------------14 Contact Information----------------------------------------------------16 Aim: To create a "new" business the Virtual Consumers Club or V.C.C. which is a virtual storefront on what is commonly referred to as the information superhighway. It will be supported by the infrastructure of an existing "suitable" company such as U.C.C. V.C.C. will have distinct advantages over competitors. Profit will derive from a membership fee, not on profit margin, which is the way that most other virtual storefronts generate income. Operating costs will be minimal (without the overhead of the traditional storefront), and most important, there will be complete access to the world market without geographic, legal, or political barriers. These features in conjunction with innovative marketing strategies, should allow V.C.C., to quickly overcome its competition and become a world leader in its field. Background on Interactive Marketing Technologies Over the past several years new businesses that involve a small amount of interactive marketing have appeared. Some of the larger names are The Home Shopping Network and QVC (recently purchased by the Home shopping Network). Their primary medium for conducting business is through the use of television infomercials. This has been extraordinarily successful, to the point that the industry is now worth over five billion dollars. While this new interactive medium for conducting business has several serious advantages to traditional storefronts, it still has some drawbacks. One of the drawbacks being uni-directional communication. Customers cannot ask questions, causing them to feel helpless and as a result many "hits" do not "bite". Another drawback is that customers cannot choose what they would like to view, they must observe what is being displayed. This is the primary factor that renders the television medium useless for V.C.C.'s interactive marketing strategy Introduction: The Virtual Storefront The interactive medium described above would do almost nothing for V.C.C. There is, however, a new interactive medium and it is developing at an exponential rate, most importantly it is already available for V.C.C.'s use. It is potentially the most prolific medium for conducting business, and as you might have guessed already dominated by speculators from the Home Shopping Network. The greatest advantage to this medium is that it is bi-directional, making if the perfect medium for V.C.C. to reach the world. The new medium is called the World Wide Web. The World Wide Web makes the traditional storefront obsolete. It is based upon a network of computers that operate around the world all the time and has grown at an exponential rate since its conception three years ago. When lumped together the distinct aspects of the internet are sometimes referred to as the information superhighway. What Can the World Wide Web Do for V.C.C. ? Anyone with a computer can "log in" to the internet for the price of a local phone call anywhere in the world. Once they "log in" the customer merely types an address into a "dialog box" and hits the enter key. This brings the customer to the business interface of the company with which they desire to conduct business. At this point the customer can point and click with their mouse and view different products, actually listen to how they sound, and see how they look in better than photographic quality resolution. Then they can place an order instantaneously with their major credit card. That's it! If they have any questions they can merely click on a "button" with their mouse to start a conversation with a help assistant. The customer can do this any time of day, anywhere in the world, and do it all instantaneously. Setting up a "virtual storefront" costs a fraction of what its conventional counterpart costs, and with this investment comes access to the entire world market. Many internet enthusiasts speculate the conventional storefront and retail store will be all but obsolete in five to ten years. It may take a decade for this to happen because thus far there is no effective marketing strategy that will "open up" the virtual internet business interface sooner. The Competition The largest virtual storefront in existence today is call the Internet Shopping Network. They are owned and operated by the Home Shopping Network. Their Chief Executive Marketing Manager, told me recently that any marketing strategy that would reduce his profit margin would not be feasible because his company operates on minimal margins. I found this "situation" to be true of all the firms that are currently major players in the virtual market. I then decided that I would have to locate a company that possessed a highly developed infrastructure in terms of suppliers. One that offered a wide array of products, and also required minimal modifications to adapt to V.C.C.'s "virtual storefront". I located and researched a few different possibilities. Why Not a Conventional "Virtual Business"? We decided not to go with a conventional virtual business because of the competitive difficulties. Right now the world wide web, which is the platform for running a virtual storefront is developing very quickly. This will lead many companies to "set up shop" and "fight it out" for market share. V.C.C. will sit strategically in a place all its own because of lower product price and novel marketing strategies. Marketing strategy: How will V.C.C. beat the Competition? Running a company that does not make its money on profit margin, opens many new doors in terms of marketing. I have developed three distinct marketing strategies that when implemented will allow to V.C.C. realistically become a major player in the market within three to six months. Furthermore, these marketing strategies will "open up" the cyberspace business interface prematurely, with V.C.C. in the lead. Direct Marketing Strategy We aim to direct market the virtual storefront through the use of diskettes which would be distributed free of charge to the many customers identified as being most interested in using the new sales method. When inserted into the customers computer the program on the diskette will take them on a "Virtual Tour" of V.C.C. Diskettes are an inexpensive form of direct marketing with serious ROI. Look at Prodigy and America on Line. This method of advertising is the only reason that they are still in business. Incentive Based Marketing Strategy We Plan to give incentives such as reduced membership fees to students and faculty at major educational centers throughout the world, as long as those schools agree to position our franchise in their "visit" list. A visit list is a quick access list of sites to visit on the world wide web. Once a site is positioned on a quicklist, even the most inexperienced users can access it. It is important to note that students and educational institutions currently have free and easy access to the World Wide Web. Franchising Marketing Strategy Not everybody has access to a computer today. Our franchising department will target those who cannot afford to purchase or just do not want to be bothered by purchasing and setting up their own computer. Franchises can be set up anywhere because V.C.C will be controlled from a central location. Since V.C.C. franchises will be controlled from a centralized location, the cost of a V.C.C. franchise is much lower than our conventional counterpart (only the price of an internet connection and a computer lab). Therefore V.C.C. franchisees will have an absolute advantage over their potential competitors, V.C.C also benefits from this advantage. The startup cost of a V.C.C. franchise is approximately $30.000, while its conventional counterpart's startup cost ranges from 100,000 to 118,500. This 70 to 88 thousand dollar difference in the cost of a franchise will give V.C.C. another advantage over its competitors. More Compteition U.C.C. is the ideal candidate for V.C.C.'s purposes. U.C.C. is headquartered in Indiana. They are listed in the Million Dollar Directory as a private company, having one subsidiary known as the United Consumers Club Franchising. They have Sec Codes placing them in the mail order catalogue industry. The most interesting thing about the company is the way in which they make their profit. They do not make it on profit margin, but rather on a membership fee. After paying a one time membership fee, members are entitled to purchase all goods at cost for a year. The members can save thousands of dollars per year. The idea is simple: What would have been put into the pockets of the retail stores is instead put back into the pockets of the end consumers. Or as the founder James L. Gagen says "everybody wins" both the consumer, and the company. Eventually, U.C.C. got into the business of franchising. United Consumers Club made approximately 11 million dollars from the franchising corporation compared to 74 million from the parent company. Therefore, the industry is operating at roughly a hundred million dollars. As of yet there are no major competitors in UCC's field. One of the benefits of partnering with U.C.C. is that the merchandise is of high quality and customers get access to a complete line of manufactures goods. U.C.C.'s profit comes only from the membership fee, thus there is no incentive to sell inferior goods unlike Sam's Club which generates income from goods as well as a membership fee. Note: This version of the cost analysis is a little underdeveloped. Cost Analysis World Wide Web Site Setup: ALR Q-4SMP Pentuim based Server--------------------------$Approx 25,000 f Pentium Ported Unix software package------------------------$Approx 5,000 f T-1 1.44 megabyte per second internet connection----------$Approx 1,000v,m Hyper-Text-Markup-Language (HTML) Programmers-----$Approx 80,000 f System Administrator (consultant)-------------------------------$Approx 20,000 f W.W.W. Domain Name Registration----------------------------$100 v,2-years Allowance for unexpected and hidden startup costs----------$100,000 Total Fixed and Variable Startup Costs--------------------------$231,100.00 Direct Marketing Strategy Initial startup kit design----------------------------------------------$25,000 Opportunity Cost on Initial Promotion-----------------------------$5/customer Midwestern CD-ROM duplication estimate 100,000 copies-------$74,300 Allowance for unexpected and hidden costs-----------------------$50,000 Total First-Run Direct Marketing Costs-----------------------------$149,300+5x Incentive Based Marketing Strategy E-mail Promotion Associates-----------------------------------------$40,000 Opportunity Costs-------------------------------------------------------$50/customer Allowance for unexpected and hidden costs-----------------------$20,000 Total Incentive Marketing Strategy Costs---------------------------$60,000+50x Franchising Dept. Marketing Costs Salaries, strategy, and supplies----------------------------------------$300,000 y Year 1 Targets Direct Marketing Strategy 3-6 months: distribute start-up media @ 100.00US per membership. Total Possible Revenue 9,500,000.00 Real Expected Revenue 80% 7,600,000.00 Minus fixed and Variable startup costs 231,100.00 Net Profit 7,368,900.00 After First Pressing and distribution fixed costs are paid. 6-12 months: two subsequent pressings @ 100.00US per membership Total Possible Revenue 19,000,000.00 Real Expected Revenue 80% 15,200,000.00 Minus Variable Costs 80,000.00 Minus Allowance for unexpected/hidden costs 20,000.00 Net Profit on second and third pressings 15,100,000.00 Incentive Based Marketing Strategy 3-12 months: Target and contact educational centers around the world. Hire a full time staff member to do this @ 40,000 per year. Memberships sold at $50.00 each with student faculty discount. Break even point is 1,200 memberships sold in 1 year with 60,000 in costs. Franchise Marketing Strategy 9-12 months: Initiate Franchising Strategy. Contact Information For further information contact Scott Peikin @ Diversenet by: e-mail: scott@op.net speikin@lynx.dac.neu.edu http: www.op.net/~scott Phone: USA (610) 278-9888 So much for the middlemen world wide. Some Other Projects....... Contributions to Mail Services and Company from BD, your a good man BD. Mail Services and Company: Maximizing Case "A" This is an interesting project, Basicly it revolves around Domain Names. For instance if your name is Stan and you are an automobile dealer, then you might want your e-mail address to be stan@automobiledealers.com Cool huh, So if you are the company that owns the rights to automobiledealers.com,then you can offer a service providing e-mail accounts for people in that industry. Also Domain names are the television stations of tomorrow. If you want to watch science fiction, you will probably turn you browser on www.sciencefiction.com, this will take you to the domain science fiction, based around the subject domain sciencefiction. Just as if you want to get todaysnews, you might http todaysnews.com, or if you want to listen to rock music, you might http classicrock, modernrock, or alternative rock based on your music preferences. This company will revolve around leasing domains from the internic based on the subject, then leasing them to people interested. Note: Registering some domains is a good way to start up a "small" business. The Alternic. Minimizing Case "A" Speaking of domians and dns and all of that good stuff. The internic is currently offering dns service for 100 dollars for the first two years and $50 a year after that. To my knowledge they are registering about 10,000 a day. Times $100 a domain that isn't bad. This number is only going to increase. They are only offering dns service on a few extensions, like .com, .net, .org, etc. If you have a few bucks to invest I would recommend starting your own Alternic, offering domains that support special characters and multiple languages. In order for a domain to exist, it only has to have service provided for it. Providing dns is basicly spreading out fixed costs, and the product only exists in cyberspace. So there is a large gap in the cost/profit ratio. Some good ideas to provide dns on are taxicabs . with no extension, and of course multiple languages, to the best of my knowledge we don't live in a one language world. Also the .fam extension might be populair really soon because people will want to throw out their mail boxes. If I were a University trying to raise capitol to minimize educational costs I would go into this business. Students can run it. And after all it is an investment in the future. The Govenrment will not like this, first because it will kill all profit margin for the internic registration services and open them up to a global economy competeing world wide prematuraly in their eyes. They have one major way to prevent this, which can also be prevented. This is to create dns jammers that jam all domains not registered with their "legitimate" registration services. There can only be a one domain of each kind matched up to each ip address world wide. So if they provide jamming services this will jam the "illegitimate" domains right off the network with a flood stream. It is important for people to design web browsers that filter out these jamming services, that will seriously reduce their impact and comprimise their upper case "A" abilities. Currently all domain are matched to an ip address. This actually maximizes profit even more because they charge companies for an ip address eventually this will be you telephone number as well. These ip address go like this 255.255.255.255 why they don't go to 999.999.999.999 is obviously to maximize profit by reducing the supply even more. Anything is possible and 999.999.999.999 ip addresses are definitly a possibility. A company or schoolastic organizatoin merely has to develop software that will support this, and distribute it to then begin providing services on it. Interesting huh???? Another way around this is to make ip addresses alphanumeric to begin with, then that will eliminate the need for ip addresses to begin with. There are some other designs around this concept, let me know if you have millions to blow and want to sink the next biggest ship. my bigger nightmares, I think Phillip Zimmerman might agree............ It is possible to filter all e-mail and information through high speed filters that search for key information, because all data transfers pretty much go through the nick to begin with. The direct system overides the primary level of central control. 10 years from now data security isn't going to be what we think it is today, and if we are living in a placeblo to begin with, we don't have anything now. Taking out telecommunications and Cybercommunications (cybercomm) profit. Everyone has heard of the iphone right. Thats a package that costs about 100 dollars to buy and lets you talk for free all over the world through the net. Being as ip addresses and domain names are the telephone numbers of the future, there is going to be serous amounts of profit by selling these packages. Some of them work through the irc proticol and other proticols. The telephone companys want to make it so that every thing has to be standardized, eliminating a strategy that I have developed that will kill profit for telecommunications world wide. This is to make all packages free to end consumers, and make them compatable with let say for example windows NT plugins that act as the telecommunications server between two of the end consumer client applications. This will kill all profit for AT$T in terms of selling the client applications. It will also limit their ability to make you use their services as the relay server, because you can use a relay server all the way accross the world if you want to. Seriously increasing competition world wide. This is good for us the end consumers. If they still compalain that their stuff isn't compatable, then here you go. All the client apps will be standardized to receive calls. That way you can initiate a call with any server company and still have it completely compatable. This strategy will seriously decrease global communications costs and allow anyone to start a "mom and pop" business providing services. I reccomend educational universities provide these services to offset educational costs. Reducing Software Companies Profit world wide, minimizing software costs to everyone and putting more in the pocket of software designers. This entails souping up an os like Linux to be a shell like windows Nt or 95 or system 7, porting it to every platform and then setting up standards that software developers can conform to to make everything very compatable. Next software developers must form development guilds that are centralized around a co-op development type system. This will allow them to design software around their public domain oses. They can also charge much less to register the software, and becuase they have a serious direct interest in the "company" they will make the money that they are entitled to instead of being "forced" to give it up in the interest of the company they developed it for. NtP You know you computer will be your tv soon. NTP (negeotiation transfer proticol might be the start) If anyone wants to design it let me know. Basicly you client automatically negotiates with the server root domain of a domain. That way if the domain is a ftp site it automatically default to the ftp proticol. And if the site you access by merely typing the domain name in the box is a tv station, then it automatically defaults to the video stream transfer proticol. Cool Huh???? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMgfNnX0gSutdP2LNAQEOBAP/aFg1dg18uQROWjQuX3wmepRkW2Ffm1pm u5zldT/qVX/Q86KkFkQOwICt5VjIhbAuHMqtZbXvmknf3IgpLoPoNJ1EQUORHj/h ZmPT6+AZzs2NRDWOwgahAF2uyY+rTA63yuEHtZninz5DoRtpMYsxIIMjU5w++l8c unsPPSkBdfU= =Z3eG -----END From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15453; Wed, 7 Aug 96 02:53:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09786; Wed, 7 Aug 96 02:49:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09780; Wed, 7 Aug 96 02:49:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo5F7-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 02:49 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Clock Subject: How to identify the header? Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 17:32:56 +0800 Message-Id: <320862C7.4679@usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am writing a program to access the mail in the folder of mailbox. How to identify the header of each mail in the mailbox? Please reply to me at chris@whph.enlighting.com.tw Thanks Chris From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16444; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:28:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22659; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:24:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22653; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:24:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo5lu-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:23 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Rebuildning .lu all the time Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:21:14 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The first time I compose a message each session (or actually the first time Pine needs to use the global address book), I get a warning that I cannot write in the directory which contains the global address book .lu file, and then there is a substantial wait. Why is pine trying to write in that directory? I believe that the .lu file is up to date. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16545; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:44:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10427; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:42:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.germany.eu.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10415; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:42:44 -0700 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (5.59:24/EUnetD-2.5.4.c) via EUnet id MAA20680; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:42:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199608071040.MAA29019@mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net> Received: by mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (8.6.5:29/EUnetPoP-1.1.9) via EUnet id MAA29019; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:40:10 +0200 From: Rudolf Kompf Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:35:55 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: kompf@m_post.ife-le.de To: Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Send a message again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hallo, thanks to all people who wrote me! But ... On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Terry Gray wrote: > Another choice is to save the msg from the sentmail folder into the > postponed-messages folder, then press 'C'... ... this works, but a have found that in this case my mail is not saved in my sent-mail folder for outgoing mail. ???? (I'm using 3.92) ???? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rudolf Kompf | E-mail: kompf@ife-le.de From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16587; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:52:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10518; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:49:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10512; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:49:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo678-00038TC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:45 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harle@venus.usna.navy.mil (Mr. Jim Harle {CSERV STAFF}) Subject: Turn off Function keys Date: 6 Aug 1996 21:01:29 GMT Message-Id: <4u8br9$s6a@cadig2.usna.navy.mil> When I do the following in the command line from pine 3.94 or 3.95 pine login@host pine comes up in function key mode. This did not happen in 3.91. Is there something that can be set in pine.conf or command line flag to make this not happen. We have several scripts that get launched this way. This happens with both sunos and solaris versions. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16333; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:04:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23098; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:01:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23092; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:01:07 -0700 Received: from ccjpg.pc.cranfield.ac.uk by calisto with SMTP (PP); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:54:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:01:31 +0100 (BST) From: Jeffrey Goldberg X-Sender: cc047@ccjpg.pc.cranfield.ac.uk Reply-To: Jeffrey Goldberg To: Mike Brudenell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Rebuildning .lu all the time In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Cranfield University Computer Centre Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote: > Presumably you are mistaken in your belief: hence why Pine is trying to > rebuild the file. (Note that the format used in the .lu file changed > between Pine 3.91 and 3.93, and may have changed again to 3.95 (I don't > know as I have installed the latter yet)). Ah hah! I haven't rebuilt the .lu file after installing 3.95. So that it is. I should have thought of that. Thanks. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16492; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:10:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10915; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:07:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10909; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:07:28 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:50:14 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id LAA14708; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:51:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:51:10 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Jeffrey Goldberg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Rebuildning .lu all the time In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Presumably you are mistaken in your belief: hence why Pine is trying to rebuild the file. (Note that the format used in the .lu file changed between Pine 3.91 and 3.93, and may have changed again to 3.95 (I don't know as I have installed the latter yet)). Get the person who looks after the global addressbook to update the .lu file (using the "pine -create_lu" command: its options are described in the man page for Pine). Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > The first time I compose a message each session (or actually the > first time Pine needs to use the global address book), I get > a warning that I cannot write in the directory which contains > the global address book .lu file, and then there is a substantial > wait. > > Why is pine trying to write in that directory? I believe that > the .lu file is up to date. > > -j > > -- > Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 > Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 > J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ > "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16534; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:12:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23426; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:09:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23420; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:09:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo6Uo-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:09 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Hans Schleichert Subject: Re: A question about email address Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:06:05 +0200 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: You could add a customized header "Reply-To:" from main menu/setup/config. If the replying person use the Reply-To: instead of From: address, you will always receive their replies. Have a look at this message's header (press H while viewing the msg) to see an example of a Reply-To: header. - Hans From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 05:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17000; Wed, 7 Aug 96 05:03:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11499; Wed, 7 Aug 96 05:00:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11493; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:59:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uo7Ct-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 04:55 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) Subject: Re: Rebuildning .lu all the time Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:48:36 GMT I had a similar problem when switching between different versions of Pine. If multiple people access the same addressbooks with different versions, the .lu files will get rewritten. No good solution I found. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17694; Wed, 7 Aug 96 06:34:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12678; Wed, 7 Aug 96 06:31:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.germany.eu.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12658; Wed, 7 Aug 96 06:30:47 -0700 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (5.59:24/EUnetD-2.5.4.c) via EUnet id PAA13705; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:30:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199608071328.PAA01523@mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net> Received: by mail.Leipzig.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (8.6.5:29/EUnetPoP-1.1.9) via EUnet id PAA01523; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:28:12 +0200 From: Rudolf Kompf Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:00:55 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: kompf@m_post.ife-le.de To: J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk Cc: Pine-Info Mailing-List Subject: Re: Rebuildning .lu all the time In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > The first time I compose a message each session (or actually the > first time Pine needs to use the global address book), I get > a warning that I cannot write in the directory which contains > the global address book .lu file, and then there is a substantial > wait. > > Why is pine trying to write in that directory? I believe that > the .lu file is up to date. > > -j > > -- > Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 > Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 > J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ > "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) > > > After weeks ago I got this effect, but MY .lu was NOT ok. I remember (?) that I found the actual .lu file built by pine in the /tmp directory. After copying onto the normal .lu file: All ok. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rudolf Kompf | E-mail: kompf@ife-le.de From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 07:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18152; Wed, 7 Aug 96 07:20:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25710; Wed, 7 Aug 96 07:14:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25704; Wed, 7 Aug 96 07:14:03 -0700 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01774 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:13:16 +0200 Received: from itsrm1 (itsrm1 [149.202.148.210]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24690; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:11:48 +0400 (MDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:11:47 +0400 (MOW) From: Andrej Borsenkow X-Sender: bor@itsrm1 Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine mailing list , Pine Developers Subject: Selecting "NEW" newsgroups always selects all in Pine 3.95 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! The problem seems to appear in Pine 3.95 (probably, it is I first noted it there ;) If I try to select new newsgroups using ;SN, I always get *all* available newsgroups selected, irrespectively of the status shown. The TAB works corectly and jumps to the next article, marked as NEW. Is it known problem? greetings ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow Fax: +7 (095) 252 01 05 SNI ITS Moscow Tel: +7 (095) 252 13 88 NERV: borsenkow.msk E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19441; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:17:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26848; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:12:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26842; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:12:41 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:10:24 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id QAA27243; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:12:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:12:28 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Zachary H Leber Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Rebuildning .lu all the time In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is a solution, providing that when you build a particular version of Pine you modify the string which contains the name of the global configuration files. These are usually "pine.conf" and "pine.conf.fixed". However I modify these strings to include the version number of Pine: for example "pine.conf-3.91" and "pine.conf.fixed-3.91". This then allows you to have different configuration files for each version of the Pine binary you have in use on your system: quite useful as newer releases often have new features (which admittedly the old version would probably just ignore) which you want to test out before inflicting (sorry! RELEASING) them on your users. You can then modify the systemwide global addressbooks listed in each configuration file so that the different versions of Pine access separate global addressbook files (and hence their associated lookup files). A cunning trick is to use UNIX's "ln" command to link the address book files themselves together so that it is only one file, but accessed through two or more names. This eases keeping the data in step, and you then just have to remember to recreate the associated .lu file for each name by which the data file is known. Of course this only helps with global address books specified in the systemwide configuration file(s); it doesn't help people who have them listed explicitly in their personal (.pinerc) preference files. However the thought may be of use to some... Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Zachary H Leber wrote: > I had a similar problem when switching between different versions of Pine. > If multiple people access the same addressbooks with different versions, > the .lu files will get rewritten. No good solution I found. > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20792; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:59:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15638; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:55:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nerc1.nerc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15632; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:55:10 -0700 Received: from nerc.com (ppp9.nerc.com [205.247.120.209]) by nerc1.nerc.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA09158; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:55:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (charisma [127.0.0.1]) by nerc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13585; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" X-Sender: luomat@charisma Reply-To: luomat@nerc.com To: Andrej Borsenkow Cc: Pine mailing list Subject: Re: Selecting "NEW" newsgroups always selects all in Pine 3.95 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary X-Url: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > Hi! > > The problem seems to appear in Pine 3.95 (probably, it is I first noted it > there ;) > > If I try to select new newsgroups using ;SN, I always get *all* available > newsgroups selected, irrespectively of the status shown. Where are you trying to do this? When I do to my newsgroup listing (L from the Main Menu and then down to the newsgroups) and enter ";" I get [Command ";" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help] Same for 's' and 'n' I've got the enable-aggregate-commands set turned ON (and works inside folders). What's the option to turn this on? Thanks TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22743; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:12:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00599; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:10:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00589; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:10:08 -0700 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11229 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:09:18 +0200 Received: from itsrm1 (itsrm1 [149.202.148.210]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25220; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:08:56 +0400 (MDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:08:54 +0400 (MOW) From: Andrej Borsenkow X-Sender: bor@itsrm1 Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine mailing list Cc: "Timothy J. Luoma" Subject: Re: Selecting "NEW" newsgroups always selects all in Pine 3.95 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > > > > If I try to select new newsgroups using ;SN, I always get *all* available ^^^^^^^^^^ I did actually mean *articles*; sorry > > newsgroups selected, irrespectively of the status shown. > > Where are you trying to do this? When I do to my newsgroup listing (L > from the Main Menu and then down to the newsgroups) and enter ";" I > get > [Command ";" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help] > Same for 's' and 'n' > > I've got the enable-aggregate-commands set turned ON (and works inside > folders). What's the option to turn this on? > I am doing it when I am already in newsgroup. It looks, like you are trying to do it when selecting newsgroup. Oh, sorry, just noticed. Of course, it should be *articles*, not *newsgroups*. I just used wrong word :< Thanks for pointing it out. but the problem is still there. greetings ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow Fax: +7 (095) 252 01 05 SNI ITS Moscow Tel: +7 (095) 252 13 88 NERV: borsenkow.msk E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22779; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:16:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00562; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:08:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00556; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:08:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (skramer@localhost) by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (8.7.5+UW96.07/8.7.3+UW96.07) with SMTP id KAA29409 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:08:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Stefan Kramer Reply-To: Stefan Kramer To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Discussion Archives In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: "University of Washington, Computing and Communications" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, Your suggestion of adding to the part of to the saved archive search results page is indeed an elegant solution. Generating the "BASE" line directly in the output page is, unfortunately, not quite practical, since the HTMLized archives are actually generated on another server (i.e., with another base URL than "http://www.cac.washington.edu") here at the UW before they are copied to the "public" server nightly and where they are "tested". However, the search results page now shows the date and time the search was conducted, so when saved to a local file, it will be evident how up-to-date those results are. ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu University of Washington Computing & Communications ------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote: # On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Stefan Kramer wrote: # # > After you have concluded your search of the subject or full-text index at # > http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ # > you could save the results page to a local HTML file. Since the hyperlinks # > therein will be relative (i.e., "assume" they are on the server # > http://www.cac.washington.edu/), you should then load the HTML file into a # > text editor that has that capability and search-and-replace all occurrences # > of # > # > # > You then have your own customized message index that will point back to the # > HTMLized messages you selected in your query, on our server. (The URLs for # > the individual messages are expected to remain stable, though we can't # > guarantee that. ;-) # # A simpler solution is to edit the downloaded file and, in the # ... section add the one line: # # # # where URL is the full URL of the document that you saved to an HTML file # (eg, http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/) # # The magical thing about "BASE" is that the URL specified will be used as # the base against which relative links are resolved (instead of the URL of # the current document which, after saving to a local disk file, would be # inappropriate). # Perhaps the Keeper Of The Pine Archives could consider adding/generating a # suitable "BASE" line directly? This would then allow people to save the # results page to local disk and use it without the need for any editing. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23626; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:48:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01726; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:45:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01714; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:45:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoCca-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:42 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: Rebuildning .lu all the time Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:55:44 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 7 Aug 1996, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > Ah hah! I haven't rebuilt the .lu file after installing 3.95. So > that it is. I should have thought of that. Thanks. Um. It still doesn't work. Is there some tool I can use to check the consistance of a .lu file? -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24251; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:28:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20349; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:25:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20343; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:25:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoDFy-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:22 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) Subject: Re: memory leak in pine?? Date: 7 Aug 1996 11:45:31 -0500 Message-Id: <4uah7b$vs0@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> References: <4tosut$1cr@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article , Mark Crispin wrote: > Most implementations of malloc() do not give back memory. Pine is giving > the space back, but that just causes more free space in the malloc() arena > and not reducing the process memory size. This is all due to UNIX's need > to be compatible with the days when it ran on a 32K PDP-11... ;-) True, but that's not to say that a program can't give back memory to the OS, really. The old way was with sbrk(); the new way appears to be with mmap() and munmap(). I haven't looked at the code, but it's possible in theory ( :-) ) to make pine act more responsibly with regard to memory use. Tim -- Tim Mooney mooney@toons.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu Information Technology Services (701) 231-1076 (Voice) Room 242-J1, IACC Bldg. (701) 231-8541 (FAX) North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24533; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:29:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03101; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:25:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03095; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:25:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoDGP-00038TC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:23 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mooney@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Tim Mooney) Subject: Re: Locked folders Date: 7 Aug 1996 11:51:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4uahhm$sp1@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> References: <9608051600.AA29799@athena.capital.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <9608051600.AA29799@athena.capital.edu>, Tom Tappan wrote: > > We are running Pine 3.90 on a Linux system. Ithas been used as a dedicated mail > server without problem. > > This past weekend we installed an NCSA Web Server unto the system. The home > page offers the possibility of e-mail to our school. This morning we find > that none of our users can open Pine folders in anything except read-only > mode. Also the old UNIX mail program will not write the outgoing files > to the /tmp directory. As near as I can tell the permissions look normal. Find one of the folders that's displaying the `read-only' problem, and peek through the folder with a program (less, od -c) that will let you view out of band characters. See if there are out-of-band characters in the headers, especially immediately preceding the `From '. If there are out-of-band characters in the headers, delete them with an editor that can handle them, and then try reading the mail with pine and see if it fixes the problem. Tim -- Tim Mooney mooney@toons.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu Information Technology Services (701) 231-1076 (Voice) Room 242-J1, IACC Bldg. (701) 231-8541 (FAX) North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25552; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:07:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04306; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:03:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nerc1.nerc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04299; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:03:38 -0700 Received: from nerc.com (ppp5.nerc.com [205.247.120.205]) by nerc1.nerc.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00204; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:03:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (charisma [127.0.0.1]) by nerc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02784; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" X-Sender: luomat@charisma Reply-To: luomat@nerc.com To: Andrej Borsenkow Cc: Pine mailing list , Pine Developers Subject: Re: Selecting "NEW" newsgroups always selects all in Pine 3.95 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary X-Url: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > Hi! > > The problem seems to appear in Pine 3.95 (probably, it is I first noted it > there ;) > > If I try to select new newsgroups using ;SN, I always get *all* available > newsgroups selected, irrespectively of the status shown. Now that we know we are talking about "articles", and not "newsgroups"..... I tried this with 3.95 and it worked just fine. 2 questions: 1) Do the articles have ANY mark next to them (important/answered/etc) when you try to select them based on being "NEW"? 2) what's your OS information & etc? I'm using 3.95 on NeXTStep 3.2 (m68k) TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25572; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:08:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21608; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:05:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21602; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:05:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoDt1-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:03 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Killfiles Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:27:07 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, stormkloud wrote: > Hi all, I would like to know how to do "killfiles" on a newsgroup in > PCpine. Pine does not implement killfiles for either news or mail, unfortunately. I have no information for you for PCPine. For Pine under Un*x, procmail or filter can handle mail killing, and I just learned a method for batch-mode-type news killing if your system also has trn (preferably a fairly recent version). The lack of killfiles seems to be one thing in particular that causes uses of other newsreaders to think of Pine as "not a _real_ newsreader." Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25563; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:09:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04467; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:06:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nerc1.nerc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04455; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:06:39 -0700 Received: from nerc.com (ppp5.nerc.com [205.247.120.205]) by nerc1.nerc.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00326; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:06:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (charisma [127.0.0.1]) by nerc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02927; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" X-Sender: luomat@charisma Reply-To: luomat@nerc.com To: Andrej Borsenkow Cc: Pine mailing list , Pine Developers Subject: Re: Selecting "NEW" newsgroups always selects all in Pine 3.95 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary X-Url: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry, sent that last one off before I finished saying: "I'm running 3.95 on NeXTStep 3.2 m68k and Linux and it works fine here" TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27301; Wed, 7 Aug 96 13:45:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24098; Wed, 7 Aug 96 13:42:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from parker.inter.net.il by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24082; Wed, 7 Aug 96 13:42:00 -0700 Received: from kelly56.access.net.il by inter.net.il with SMTP id AA21770 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:41:45 +0400 Message-Id: <32098B9A.114F@inter.net.il> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 23:39:22 -0700 From: "adil@" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: MORBID ANGEL X-Url: http://www.cac.washington.edu:1180/pine/pine-info/95.02/msg00447.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI! DO U LIKE MORBID ANGEL?!?!?!-I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE... I LOVE THEM. AND THEIR NEW ALBUM IS VERY GOOD! PLEASE WRITE TO ME-adil@inter.net.il From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA32592; Wed, 7 Aug 96 17:41:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00956; Wed, 7 Aug 96 17:35:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.kitsap.lib.wa.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00950; Wed, 7 Aug 96 17:35:53 -0700 Received: from linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us (linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us [198.187.135.22]) by mail.kitsap.lib.wa.us (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12507; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:38:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Schuyler To: Tim Mooney Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Locked folders In-Reply-To: <4uahhm$sp1@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Aug 1996, Tim Mooney wrote: > > that none of our users can open Pine folders in anything except read-only > > mode. Also the old UNIX mail program will not write the outgoing files > > to the /tmp directory. As near as I can tell the permissions look normal. > > Find one of the folders that's displaying the `read-only' problem, and peek > through the folder with a program (less, od -c) that will let you view out > of band characters. See if there are out-of-band characters in the headers, > especially immediately preceding the `From '. We've been experiencing the same sort of thing since we implemented 3.95, but I'm not convinced this problem is coming from Pine at al. However, consistently, there is an extra "F" in front of the "From" of the first message in the inbox. Taking it out with an editor fixes the problem. But why is it happening in the first place? beats me. o o o o o o o . . . _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | Kitsap Regional | | LinkNet Support | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | Library | | 'least we try! | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|____________________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ============================================================================ Support: (360) 405-9131 Fax:(360) 405-9128 support@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us Michael Schuyler: Voice:(360) 405-9139 michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01068; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:44:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15591; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:42:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from yarra.vicnet.net.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15573; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:41:54 -0700 Received: from rvib2.rvib.org.au (rvib2.rvib.org.au [203.3.138.1]) by yarra.vicnet.net.au (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA07376; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:40:58 +1000 Received: from rvib2.rvib.org.au by rvib2.rvib.org.au id aa11587; 8 Aug 96 12:41 AEST Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:41:05 +1000 (AEST) From: Les Wallis Reply-To: Les Wallis To: Zachary H Leber Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Rebuildning .lu all the time In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can you not solve this by starting pine with the -P option to point to differing pine.conf files? These files could contain reference to differing addressbooks, each one accessed by groups of people using the same versions of PINE? On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Zachary H Leber wrote: > I had a similar problem when switching between different versions of Pine. > If multiple people access the same addressbooks with different versions, > the .lu files will get rewritten. No good solution I found. > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01099; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:44:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15585; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:42:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15579; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:42:03 -0700 Received: (from mooney@localhost) by dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24773; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:41:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Tim Mooney Message-Id: <199608080241.VAA24773@dogbert.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu> Subject: Re: Locked folders To: michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us (Michael Schuyler) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:41:26 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Michael Schuyler" at Aug 7, 96 05:35:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When we last communicated, Michael Schuyler wrote: )On 7 Aug 1996, Tim Mooney wrote: ) )> > that none of our users can open Pine folders in anything except read-only )> > mode. Also the old UNIX mail program will not write the outgoing files )> > to the /tmp directory. As near as I can tell the permissions look normal. )> )> Find one of the folders that's displaying the `read-only' problem, and peek )> through the folder with a program (less, od -c) that will let you view out )> of band characters. See if there are out-of-band characters in the headers, )> especially immediately preceding the `From '. ) )We've been experiencing the same sort of thing since we implemented 3.95, )but I'm not convinced this problem is coming from Pine at al. However, )consistently, there is an extra "F" in front of the "From" of the first )message in the inbox. Taking it out with an editor fixes the problem. But )why is it happening in the first place? beats me. Actually, we haven't gone to 3.95 on our general purpose hosts (they're still using 3.91), and we've only seen this problem on our Digital Unix hosts. I sent some email to the osf-managers mailing list a couple months ago and got lots of responses that other people were seeing the same thing. Many people suspected problems with the POP daemon a lot of us use (qualcomm's popper), but I've been able to verify that a lot of the people that get the junk in the headers are *not* POP mail users. With Digital Unix, it appears the problem may be in /bin/mail, the local delivery agent. I've not been able to completely verify this, but many of us have narrowed the list of possibilities to just that. I have no idea what would be causing the problem on other systems, but it could be something similar. Tim -- Tim Mooney mooney@toons.cc.ndsu.NoDak.edu Information Technology Services (701) 231-1076 (Voice) Room 242-J1, IACC Bldg. (701) 231-8541 (FAX) North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01161; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:53:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15754; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:51:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15748; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:51:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoLC2-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 19:51 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine reports SMTP failure for NNTP failure Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:33:25 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This is because the same routines are used for both SMTP and NNTP in that version of Pine, and at the level that it issues that error message it doesn't know whether it is SMTP or NNTP. This will change in Pine 4.0. On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > Yesterday, when my nntp connection crashed at the server end, pine > reported a warning of something like: > > 421 SMTP connection connection went away! > > At the time, I did not have an SMTP connection open. > > Here are a few lines from .pine-debug > > ---- FOLDER SCREEN ---- > About to open folder "sci.lang" inbox: "INBOX" > Close - saved inbox state: max 70 > IMAP 12:20:38 8/6 mm_log ERROR: 421 SMTP connection went away! > About to open folder "sci.lang" inbox: "INBOX" > Close - saved inbox state: max 70 > IMAP 12:21:31 8/6 mm_log ERROR: 421 SMTP connection went away! > > > I do know that our news server had keeled over before then (there > is in the newsserver logs after 11:50 that day) > > -j > -- > Jeffrey Goldberg +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826 > Cranfield Computer Centre FAX 751 814 > J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/ > "I am much fonder of my critics than I am of my fans." --Thomas Kuhn (d 1996) > > > -- Mark -- Read http://www.imap.org for the "best kept secret in email" DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03382; Wed, 7 Aug 96 23:45:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06058; Wed, 7 Aug 96 23:42:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06050; Wed, 7 Aug 96 23:42:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoOjv-00038BC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 23:38 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) Subject: sendmail Failure HELP!!! "ioctl system call"??? Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 03:39:42 GMT Message-Id: <4uc1q1$q8t@nuke.csu.net> I'm having trouble sending only certain people mail. It's strange. I can send mail about 95% of the time just fine. But there are a few domains that seem to cause a problem: like prodigy.com and juno.com. Anyway, what happens is when I send the message, IMMEDIATELY (not in a second or two, but right away), MY system gives me a MAILER-DAEMON. This makes me believe it's not the receiving host, but something wrong with my system's configuration? Does that sound right? Here's what I get back in the MAILER-DAEMON message: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:08:09 -0700 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown --- The transcript of the session follows --- 421 juno.com.tcp... Deferred: A specified file does not support the ioctl system call. 550 "John C. Doe" ... Host unknown: A specified file does not support the ioctl system call. --- The unsent message follows --- I'm on an AIX 3.2.5 machine. Is there anything I can do to "fix" this problem on my end? Any help or information is greatly appreciated. Dan PS - if replying publicly, can you also CC a copy to my email address? And vice versa: if replying privately, please CC a copy publicly so all can benefit from your responses. Thanks! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04402; Thu, 8 Aug 96 02:30:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20854; Thu, 8 Aug 96 02:28:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20848; Thu, 8 Aug 96 02:28:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoRMy-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 02:27 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dad@news2.epix.net (DearOldDad) Subject: Re: question regarding new messages Date: 8 Aug 1996 04:17:15 GMT Message-Id: <4ubpob$k8p@star.epix.net> References: Dee Goodman (dgoodman@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote: : When you get a new message and you're already IN Pine, is there a way to : get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine? Well, you could look in your INBOX folder ! Only a thought. BYE From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04052; Thu, 8 Aug 96 03:53:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09013; Thu, 8 Aug 96 03:47:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09007; Thu, 8 Aug 96 03:47:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoSZO-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 03:44 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stormkloud Subject: Killfiles Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:37:09 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Hi all, I would like to know how to do "killfiles" on a newsgroup in PCpine. Thanks in advance for advice......sigh ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Listen to them, the Children of the Night, What sweet music they make........" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stormy "In the Company of Wolves" From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 05:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05711; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:11:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22886; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:06:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22880; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:06:20 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:04:05 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id NAA22401; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:06:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:06:08 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: stormkloud Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Killfiles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can't. This question has been asked and answered many times in this newsgroup/mailing list over the past couple of weeks. The answer is still "Pine 3.95 does not support kill files for e-mail or news". (Now shall we see how long it is before someone else asks again? :-) Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, stormkloud wrote: > > Hi all, I would like to know how to do "killfiles" on a newsgroup in > PCpine. > > Thanks in advance for advice......sigh > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Listen to them, the Children of the Night, > What sweet music they make........" > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Stormy "In the Company of Wolves" > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 05:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05417; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:18:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22967; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:12:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22955; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:11:51 -0700 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20643 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:37:23 +0200 Received: from itsrm1 (itsrm1 [149.202.148.210]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00216; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:37:00 +0400 (MDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:36:58 +0400 (MOW) From: Andrej Borsenkow X-Sender: bor@itsrm1 Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine mailing list Cc: "Timothy J. Luoma" , Pine Developers Subject: Re: Selecting "NEW" newsgroups always selects all in Pine 3.95 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > > I tried this with 3.95 and it worked just fine. > > 2 questions: > > 1) Do the articles have ANY mark next to them (important/answered/etc) > when you try to select them based on being "NEW"? > Yes, articles are marked N for "NEW" ;) Do you have 'news-approximates-news-status' set? I done simple test (it assumes news-approximates-news-status is set): remove (or better move) your .newsrc; open some newsgroup; all articles should be shown as "NEW"; delete some article in the middle; quit and restart pine; enter the same newsgroup again; now the articles older than deleted one won't be marked as "NEW" make ;SN - it sets X ("SELECTED") mark on *all* articles, even the "OLD" ones. > 2) what's your OS information & etc? > Well, I am using Pine 3.95 on SINIX-N and SINIX-L; it is SVR4 based system; I compiled Pine using ./build sv4 without any changes (sorry; I changed default folder format to tenex and rsh name - I wonder, where resh comes from). On one system I used gcc 2.7.2, on other native compiler. Both behave the same way. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow Fax: +7 (095) 252 01 05 SNI ITS Moscow Tel: +7 (095) 252 13 88 NERV: borsenkow.msk E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 05:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06057; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:54:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23419; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:47:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23413; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:47:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoUQp-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:43 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Hans Schleichert Subject: PC-Pine: set mark in pico Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:01:27 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Ctrl-^ command in pico doesn't work when you are using a German keyboard. ESC ESC ^ doesn't work either, probably due to a bug in pico. However, you can use Ctrl-6 to set and unset a mark. - Hans Schleichert, Tuebingen University From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06079; Thu, 8 Aug 96 06:02:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10801; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:52:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10794; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:52:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoUY1-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:50 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" Subject: Re: Addressbook.lu file Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:51:32 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4u5h0r$bii@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4u5h0r$bii@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> On 5 Aug 1996 hamlet@panix.com wrote: > Addressbook is fairly straightforward file however I am not sure > what the .addressbook.lu file does? Maybe `.lu' stands for `lookup'. I think it's used just to speed up searching in the .addressbook. Mihai L. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06143; Thu, 8 Aug 96 06:04:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23486; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:52:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23480; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:52:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoUYI-00038TC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 05:51 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: schneider@hik.fzk.de (Walter Schneider) Subject: INBOX-PATH with VMS-PINE Date: 6 Aug 1996 14:38:08 GMT Message-Id: <4u7lcg$tf@hdihp3.fzk.de> We are working with PINE 3.91 on our UNIX-workstations and therefore we have an IMAP-Mailserver, who is holding the mailboxes for the Users. The Users can access their mailboxes via INBOX-PATH={mailserv}. Now we are trying the same mechanism from VMS-workstations; there we have implemented PINE 3.89; this works fine, when the mailbox is located local; when we define INBOX-PATH={mailserv} (to reach the remote mailbox), we get no connection from the VMS-Station to the mailserver. Any ideas ?? with friendly regards Walter Schneider -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walter Schneider | Tel : (49) 07247/82-5638 Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe | Fax : (49) 07247/82-4972 HIK, 441 | Email : Walter.Schneider@hik.fzk.de Postfach 3640 | 76021 Karlsruhe | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08205; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:22:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13171; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:18:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13165; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:17:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoWnt-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:15 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cmorrone@gilb5.gilb.udel.edu (Christopher Morrone) Subject: Re: Security in Pine.. Date: 8 Aug 1996 05:21:51 GMT Message-Id: <4ubthf$9qb@gnews2.voicenet.com> References: VASANI JIGNESH C. (jig@giasbma.vsnl.net.in) wrote: : We tried using pico as an alternate editor(use-alt-editor-imp9licitly, : always-use-alt-editor features). We invoked Pico with the -o option. : But we faced the following problem..... : While returning to the main screen(from where we actually send the : mail) we had to save the file. This file could not be opened for sending : and could only be sent as an attachment, which is not the normal : procedure. : Is there something we are missing out? Or are we going wrong somewhere? Ummm...try the man page...I don't see a "-o" option mentioned in there. Try -t: -t Enable "tool" mode. Intended for when pico is used as the editor within other tools (e.g., Elm, Pnews). Pico will not prompt for save on exit, and will not rename the buffer during the "Write Out" command. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09003; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:32:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26077; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:28:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26071; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:27:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoWzE-00038TC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:27 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us (John Davis) Subject: Passwords Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:33:19 GMT Is there no way to get the Unix versions of Pine to remember login ID and passwords combinations for IMAP servers like PC-Pine does? In PC-Pine you create a passwd.pwd file, surely there is something similar for the Unix versions. =========================================================== John Davis jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us/jbdavis@pobox.com http://www.webbuild.com/~jbdavis/ =========================================================== From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10520; Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:30:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28040; Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:26:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28024; Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:26:52 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:24:30 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id RAA03128; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:26:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:26:06 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: John Davis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Passwords In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Instructions for setting up a pre-authenticated IMAP connection can be found in the archives of the Pine-Info/comp.mail.pine mailing-list/newsgroup. This can be found (and searched) on the World-Wide Web at: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ (This is just part of the Pine Information Centre, which is at: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/ ) Your particular query is answered in the page whose URL is: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/96.06/msg00257.html Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, John Davis wrote: > > Is there no way to get the Unix versions of Pine to remember login ID and > passwords combinations for IMAP servers like PC-Pine does? In PC-Pine you > create a passwd.pwd file, surely there is something similar for the Unix > versions. > > =========================================================== > John Davis jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us/jbdavis@pobox.com > http://www.webbuild.com/~jbdavis/ > =========================================================== > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10870; Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:36:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15713; Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:33:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15707; Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:33:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoXwm-00038TC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:28 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Goldarg Subject: Whats the newest version of pine (3.93??)_ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 13:43:48 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have pine 3.93 but I need to know what the newest version is so my provider can get it. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Http://www.azstarnet.com/~goldarg | | Goldarg@azstarnet.com | | Ask Me how to get my Home Page by Mail if you dont have WWW access or | | If you have Telnet Access Ask me for a list of web browers available | | through Telnet Sites,or Email. | | Cheap Programmers For Hire Here! | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18282; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:56:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08053; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:54:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08037; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:53:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uocxT-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:49 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: A question about email address Date: 8 Aug 1996 15:28:33 -0400 Message-Id: References: Edmund Lau writes: >> That's why I want to let >> my formal address appear in the header of my message, instead of my real >> address. > >All you have to do is just set up >the user-domain line to be what ever you want. Hope this helps. This only works if the username is the same at both the domain names. The general solution is to ask your sys admin to compile pine so that ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM is permitted. I really think that the default pine should ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM and sys admins should have to set DISALLOW_CHANGING_FROM if they do not want their users to do this. Zillions of programs, including the ubiquitous Navigator allow people to change the From line. -Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18359; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:59:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25503; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:57:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Larry.Spacestar.Net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25493; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:57:22 -0700 Received: from Larry.Spacestar.Net by Spacestar.COM (8.6.11/SMI-4.1.R931202) id QAA25543; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:57:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:57:36 -0500 (CDT) From: stormkloud To: Mike Brudenell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Killfiles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thank you! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Listen to them, the Children of the Night, What sweet music they make........" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stormy "In the Company of Wolves" From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18597; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:11:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25874; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:08:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25868; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:08:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uodD6-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:05 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: timr@crl.com (Tim Rice) Subject: Arrow keys on Non-ANSI terminals Date: 5 Aug 1996 21:09:26 -0700 Message-Id: <4u6ghm$mvd@crl3.crl.com> I just tried pine (unix 3.95) yesterday on a non ANSI terminal (wyse 150) and noticed that the arrow keys did not work in the main menu like they do with ANSI type terminals. Shouldn't it work? Are the arrow keys hard coded or does it get the info from the curses library? I've been using pine since var 3.91 and I just realized that's the first tim I tried it on a non ANSI terminal. -- ----- Tim Rice Multitalents 707 887-1469 tim@trr.metro.net From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19829; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:55:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09636; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:54:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09614; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:54:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uodxS-00038UC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:53 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "ELEX.Yury. Burkatovsky" Subject: Re: Reset messages to "New Message" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:37:28 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Terry P. Kasdan wrote: > How can I reset the flag to New on messages I've already read with Pine? > See, that way I can download my mail with Eudora, even after I've read it > using Pine... > > Thanks in advance! > If you haven't yet come to the solution, try issueing '*' and then 'N' when the answered message is positioned either at "Index" or "ViewMsg" screen. -- Regards, | /^^^\ Yury Burkatovsky | (| , , |) | | * | E-mail: tby@cpm.telrad.co.il | \_-_/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19823; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:55:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09612; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:53:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09606; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:53:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uodw1-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:52 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eliezer Lerner Subject: HELP with news Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 09:55:12 +0000 Message-Id: <3209B980.4312@cimatron.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am using PINE for reading news groups. But I don't success to send a message to news group through PINE. I get an error message about invalid Internet address or something like this - the message is displayed for a short time only. The problem doesn't happen when I use NETSCAPE. Please, send your responses to my e-mail address. -- Best regards, +================================================================+ |Eliezer Lerner,| Email: eli1@cimatron.co.il| 11 Gush Etzion St.,| |System Admin, | Phone: +972-3-5312127 | Givat Shmuel, | |Cimatron | Fax: +972-3-5312192 | 51905, Israel | +================================================================+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19834; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:55:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27128; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:54:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27122; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:53:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uodws-00038TC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:53 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: marc@hwsys.com Subject: Re: NEED A GOOD PPP PACKET DRIVER Date: 8 Aug 1996 08:25:48 GMT Message-Id: <4uc8ac$gt1@news.genuity.net> References: 050326Z04081996@anon.penet.fi On 1996-08-04 an682942 said: >SUBJECT I am currently using EtherPPP with Minuet. Due to the fact >that EtherPPP requires some 126000 bytes of resident memory, this >causes Minuet to crash regularly. I cannot use the graphics option >of the browser, only text, as using graphics will draw about one >half of the first graphics page before it crashes the system. Does >anyone know of a good PPP packet driver that works with DOS? No >Windows, and no Novell network. For pay OK. I have written a >dialer so the procedure could be just a packet driver with no >dialing options. EtherPPP would also crash it here too and I'm not using graphics. Quakeppp from Klos always worked for me with Minuet and other clients. It's available from Klos's web site at (I think) www.klos.com. I haven't used quakeppp in awhile since finding cslipper due to lower memory usage. Warning: there's no docs with Quakeppp except one small text file. Klos said you get docs if you register the software. Marc "...ads on the air won't work" - Herbert Hoover `[1;36;40mNet-Tamer V 1.05.1 - Test Drive From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19927; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:00:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09755; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:58:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09749; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:58:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uodyE-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:54 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "ELEX.Yury. Burkatovsky" Subject: Re: Turning off Mail Copies Permanently Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3206E6CB.1612@bc.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:00:11 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <3206E6CB.1612@bc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Elliot Cole wrote: > I work in a public lab environment, and so I need to find a way > to permanently turn the autosave feature off. Does anyone know of a way > of changing the program so that the users will not even have the option > for this? At pine configuration screen, find the "default-fcc" entry and change it to "" (literally - 2 double quotes). It will set the file name to empty one, and the Fcc field will appear empty by default/ -- Regards, | /^^^\ Yury Burkatovsky | (| , , |) | | * | E-mail: tby@cpm.telrad.co.il | \_-_/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20008; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:01:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27247; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:58:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27241; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:58:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uodxk-00038VC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:53 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "ELEX.Yury. Burkatovsky" Subject: Re: [Q] Headers Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:51:52 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Matt Chatterley wrote: > Just wondering, how, if it's possible, can I see the full heads > (x-headers?) for an email or usenet post that was sent me / I am viewing, > in pine? Is the only way to do this to include full headers in replies? > Command 'H' (header view) toggles the headers on/off at the screen in the "ViewMsg" mode. The initial "From " line will still remains unvisible in any case, but if you use pine vintage 3.94 or greater, you can set your configuration so as always to print this line. -- Regards, | /^^^\ Yury Burkatovsky | (| , , |) | | * | E-mail: tby@cpm.telrad.co.il | \_-_/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20007; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:01:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09775; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:59:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09769; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:59:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uodzQ-00038XC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:55 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: whitus@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (Bobby R. Whitus) Subject: Pine with Sun Mail server ? Date: 8 Aug 1996 11:50:47 GMT Message-Id: <4uckan$kri@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Has anyone tried the new Sun Internet mail server with Pine. If so, how well does it work ? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20087; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:03:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27267; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:59:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27261; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:59:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uodz5-00038WC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:55 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Alan J. Flavell" Subject: Re: VMS Newsreading. In-Reply-To: <3208463D.36BE@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <3208463D.36BE@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:51:51 GMT On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Doctor Johassen wrote: > I'm trying to set the nntp server on a VMS installation of pine Well, I have Yehavi's port of PINE for VMS set up at Glasgow, and here's how the config looks for the news server, when I'm in the configuration dialog: news-collections = My .PINERC file contains this line: nntp-server=nntp-server.gla.ac.uk and this: news-collections= does that help? (Of course you can't use that particular server yourself, but that's the principle). best regards Factoid: Milngavie police station is on the corner of Keystone Avenue. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20152; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:06:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27411; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:03:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27405; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:03:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoe4L-00038TC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:00 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Procomm & Pine 3.94 on DG/UX Date: 8 Aug 1996 15:47:19 -0400 Message-Id: References: <32068282.7BF0@bbs.voy-ager.com> Bill Stewart writes: >On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Bill Gemmel wrote: >>I am creating a e-mail and then attaching a WP document with pine >>3.94 and a salesman collects his e-mail with Procomm plus 3.00 on >>his P.C. In the new Procomm Plus there is a e-mail option in it >>now. The problem is that when I detach the attachment, WP says >>invalid Document Format. Is anyone using Procomm's e-mail package >>with Pine? > >Perhaps he doesn't have a new enough version of WordPerfect? Or perhaps Procomm's email package doesn't understand MIME? Or perhaps there's something wrong with your encoding. One test you could do is to send yourself the WP attachment and then detach it and open it up in WP. If this works, then my guess is that the problem is on the other system. Good luck, Nancy (mailed and posted) -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13813; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:15:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27773; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:14:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from yarra.vicnet.net.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27763; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:14:08 -0700 Received: from rvib2.rvib.org.au (rvib2.rvib.org.au [203.3.138.1]) by yarra.vicnet.net.au (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA01251; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:08 +1000 Received: from rvib2.rvib.org.au by rvib2.rvib.org.au id aa03215; 9 Aug 96 9:13 AEST Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:17 +1000 (AEST) From: Les Wallis To: Goldarg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Whats the newest version of pine (3.93??)_ In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It says 3.95 at the top of my screen. On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Goldarg wrote: > I have pine 3.93 but I need to know what the newest version is so my > provider can get it. > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Http://www.azstarnet.com/~goldarg | > | Goldarg@azstarnet.com | > | Ask Me how to get my Home Page by Mail if you dont have WWW access or | > | If you have Telnet Access Ask me for a list of web browers available | > | through Telnet Sites,or Email. | > | Cheap Programmers For Hire Here! | > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21666; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:25:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12189; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:23:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12183; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:23:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uofIB-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:19 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: prefix character Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:08:46 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Fred S Long wrote: > I cant find a reference in the help file and found nothing on the config > page that allows one to change the prefix character when quoting a message > for reply. If it's possible, how is it done? What version of Pine are you running? It makes a BIG difference. Versions 3.94 and 3.95 allow you to specify the prefix character in your configuration file. I don't recall just when this feature came in, although I know 3.91 did not have it. If you are running an older version which does not have the built-in capacity for setting the quoting prefix character, I have a simple technique you can lift off my WWW home page. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22624; Thu, 8 Aug 96 18:46:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01255; Thu, 8 Aug 96 18:44:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01249; Thu, 8 Aug 96 18:44:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uogZp-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 18:41 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mullaney@fc.hp.com (David Mullaney) Subject: Re: Disable annoying "Delete sent-mail-xxx?" queries on startup? Date: 8 Aug 1996 23:17:47 GMT Message-Id: <4udsir$ha@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: <32047473.1F75399@iki.fi> Peter Hjelt (phjelt@iki.fi) wrote: : After upgrading to pine 3.95 everything was fine until the month changed : to August. Now pine asks me to delete old sent-mail folders _every_ time : I start pine, even if I told it no on all previous years sent mail month : by month on last pine startup. This tends to get at you when you have to : press 'N' some 100 times before you can enter pine to read some mail =) I'm running PINE 3.91, and it asks me every month. To avoid answering lots of prompts, occasionally I move sent-mail-jun-1996 to to-archive-1996/ subdirectory. I cannot see the letters from within PINE, apparently no change subdirectory for folder allowed, but I could always copy an archive back into the parent directory for PINE perusal. -DM Standard disclaimers apply. : Why does it want to delete sent mail at all? I have never deleted a : message I've sent so far, and the collection is not much over 40MB. Sent : mail is a good reference when old issues are brought up, or when you : wonder what was going on with this and that back then. : Anyway, is there a switch to turn this "feature" off? I want to keep all : mail w/o going out and rename the sent-mail folders manually every month. : Thanks. : /*------------------------------------------------------------------------ : E-Mail: phjelt@iki.fi URL: http://www.iki.fi/phjelt/ : IRC: nick MXV on EICN/EF Tel: +358-0-5054790, +358-50-5665952 : ------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ -- + DAVID MULLANEY Mailstop #99, Loctn. 2UR8 (970) 229-7629 + + > Net: mullaney@fc.hp.com http://hpfcdn/ -*- fax 2838 + + > Software Engineer -- Ignition/UDL/OSSD /\/\/\ + + > Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins, Colorado _-/\^^/ \ + From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22994; Thu, 8 Aug 96 19:22:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01805; Thu, 8 Aug 96 19:20:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01796; Thu, 8 Aug 96 19:20:00 -0700 Received: from knute (ip-pdx10-36.teleport.com [206.163.122.100]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06959; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <320A3301.1659@teleport.com> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 11:34:37 -0700 From: Knute Snortum X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Rice Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Arrow keys on Non-ANSI terminals References: <4u6ghm$mvd@crl3.crl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Rice wrote: > > I just tried pine (unix 3.95) yesterday on a non ANSI terminal (wyse 150) > and noticed that the arrow keys did not work in the main menu like > they do with ANSI type terminals. > Shouldn't it work? > Are the arrow keys hard coded or does it get the info from the curses library? > I've been using pine since var 3.91 and I just realized that's > the first tim I tried it on a non ANSI terminal. Pine and Wyse terminals. [sigh] Can we get this is a FAQ? ;-) I'm not the expert on this, but since no one's answered you yet, I'll give you the basics. Yes, I believe pine "hard codes" the arrow keys (someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) It just has a "list" of escape sequences that it knows are all arrow keys. The problem with Wyse terminals is that the arrow keys send control characters that Pine uses for other functions, such as ^K. You can compile Pine so that it uses the arrow keys, but then you lose those functions. Solutions? Several. One is to use the termcap to turn your terminal into an ANSI terminal. Sounds magical, huh? I believe it uses the "is" keyword. Don't know the details. The other is to reprogram the arrow keys before you go into pine and reset them when you come out. I've got a script to do that, but not on me. You'll have to wait til Monday for that. (E-mail me if you want it. Oh, and the script is for Wyse 60 terminals, so you might have to rewrite it.) Sorry I'm short on specifics, but if you yell loud enough, the experts will ccome out of the woodwork. ;-) ---Knute (knute@teleport.com) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23419; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:06:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14741; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:04:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14735; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:04:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uohpI-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:01 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scw@cirrus.seas.ucla.edu (Stephen C Woods) Subject: Re: sendmail Failure HELP!!! "ioctl system call"??? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:35:11 GMT References: <4uc1q1$q8t@nuke.csu.net> In article <4uc1q1$q8t@nuke.csu.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: >I'm having trouble sending only certain people mail. It's strange. I >can send mail about 95% of the time just fine. But there are a few >domains that seem to cause a problem: like prodigy.com and juno.com. >Anyway, what happens is when I send the message, IMMEDIATELY (not in a >second or two, but right away), MY system gives me a MAILER-DAEMON. >This makes me believe it's not the receiving host, but something wrong >with my system's configuration? Does that sound right? You are not processing MX records. In /etc/sendmail.cf there is a line that contains the string #OK (That is Oscar Kilo, not ZERO KILO) read the comments on the preceding dozen or so lines. Then: what you want is is a line that says: OK MX or OK ALL Once you've done that don't forget to refresh -s sendmail -- ----- Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASNET; 2567 Boelter hall; LA CA 90024; (310)-825-8614 Finger for public key scw@cirrus.seas.ucla.edu,Internet mail:scw@SEAS.UCLA.EDU From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23524; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:21:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02626; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:19:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02620; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:19:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoi4l-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:17 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cyhsu@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USER) Subject: Error 411, no such news group, Why??? Date: 9 Aug 1996 02:11:28 GMT Message-Id: <4ue6og$j69@voyager.iii.org.tw> I am having a difficult time to read news group with pine. Error 411 is the message that I got. NO such news group, but I can use tin to read it. Thank you in advance. Jun-ming From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24173; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:26:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15732; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:24:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15726; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:24:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoj5F-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:22 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gray@access1.digex.net Subject: Cannot Send Mail Date: 8 Aug 1996 14:25:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4udbet$iqo@access1.digex.net> For the last two days I have not been able to send or reply to my mail. Could this be something in my Pine config? Where should I look for the problem? Any clues would be helpful. TIA From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24380; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:47:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03683; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:44:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03677; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:44:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uojO5-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:41 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Michael D. Ruch" Subject: Pine 3.91 not finding newsgroup Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 21:40:47 -0700 Message-Id: <320AC14F.6437@sluvca.slu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We are having a problem with trying to get a new newsgroup added to our news folder in Pine 3.91. Pine is running on VMS and the news server is running digital's unix. We are able to bring up the group on Netscape but the same group (MICROSOFT.*) can not be added in Pine. If anyone knows what we are doing wrong, or has experienced the same problems. please reply via e-mail. We have tried going into setup and changing things several different ways. We can add all COMP news groups but the Microsoft.* evades us. We're at a loss..... Help!! TIA, Mike Ruch ruchmd@sluvca.slu.edu Saint Louis University From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24608; Thu, 8 Aug 96 22:13:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04035; Thu, 8 Aug 96 22:10:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-17-10.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04029; Thu, 8 Aug 96 22:10:13 -0700 Received: from hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com by calvin.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 9 Aug 96 13:14:36 +0800 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:07:28 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: gray@access1.digex.net Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Cannot Send Mail In-Reply-To: <4udbet$iqo@access1.digex.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 8 Aug 1996 gray@access1.digex.net wrote: > For the last two days I have not been able to send or reply to my mail. > Could this be something in my Pine config? Where should I look for the > problem? Any clues would be helpful. TIA You have not given enough details for anyone to be of help. What happens when you try to send? Regards, Ed ----- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24650; Thu, 8 Aug 96 22:16:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16384; Thu, 8 Aug 96 22:14:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16378; Thu, 8 Aug 96 22:14:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uojqk-00038BC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 22:11 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cyhsu@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USER) Subject: Error 441, how to fix it? Date: 9 Aug 1996 02:22:51 GMT Message-Id: <4ue7dr$jam@voyager.iii.org.tw> I had error 411 a few minutes ago when I tried to read news. I delete .pine* file and reconfigure my news server IP. Now, I can read news, but I couldn't post message to the news group. Could anybody tell me how to fix it? Thanks. BTW, how to use pine to cross posting to a group of related news group? Jun-ming From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25619; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:27:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05678; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:25:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05672; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:25:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoluc-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:23 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tranhu@JSP.UMontreal.CA (TRAN Huu Da) Subject: Re: Turning off Mail Copies Date: 8 Aug 1996 17:55:07 GMT Message-Id: <4ud9ls$jfo@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> References: Un jour, Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) affirmait publiquement que: | Nothing simpler. Before you send the message, put the curser on | the Fcc: line in the header and press ^K (Control-K). This will blank | out the line and the message will not be saved. I do it all the time | for tiny little acknowledgement messages that aren't worth keeping | copies of. But you have to call the rich headers first (^R) in the headers section. Just a precision :-) __________________________________________________________________________ TRAN, Huu Da mailto:tranhu@jsp.umontreal.ca B.Sc info (2e année) http://www.jsp.umontreal.ca/~tranhu/ Université de Montréal -----> Ce n'est sûrement pas l'université qui partage mes opinions. <----- Il y a des miroirs pour le visage, il n'y en a pas pour l'esprit. -- B. Gracian From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23791; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:36:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18189; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:35:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18163; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:34:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uom2i-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:31 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tranhu@JSP.UMontreal.CA (TRAN Huu Da) Subject: Re: Turning off Mail Copies Permanently Date: 8 Aug 1996 18:08:00 GMT Message-Id: <4udae0$jfo@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> References: <3206E6CB.1612@bc.edu> Un jour, Elliot Cole (elliot.cole@bc.edu) affirmait publiquement que: | I work in a public lab environment, and so I need to find a way | to permanently turn the autosave feature off. Does anyone know of a way | of changing the program so that the users will not even have the option | for this? Create a pine.conf.fixed file (usually in /usr/local/lib). HTH.. __________________________________________________________________________ TRAN, Huu Da mailto:tranhu@jsp.umontreal.ca B.Sc info (2e année) http://www.jsp.umontreal.ca/~tranhu/ Université de Montréal -----> Ce n'est sûrement pas l'université qui partage mes opinions. <----- Il y a des miroirs pour le visage, il n'y en a pas pour l'esprit. -- B. Gracian From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25655; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:36:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05848; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:35:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05842; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:35:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uom3s-00038TC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 00:32 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) Subject: Y command Date: 8 Aug 1996 18:37:08 GMT Message-Id: <4udc4k$rmv@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Can someone tell me about this command? When I hit ? for help and scroll down through that, I can see no mention of this command. Why doesn't Pine tell me what it does? - Adam From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 01:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26058; Fri, 9 Aug 96 01:33:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06587; Fri, 9 Aug 96 01:30:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06581; Fri, 9 Aug 96 01:30:46 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:28:24 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA07071; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:30:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:30:22 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: TRAN Huu Da Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Turning off Mail Copies Permanently In-Reply-To: <4udae0$jfo@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ...And into this "fixed configuration file" put the settings that you want in effect and which the users can't override. Apart from the "features" list of settings this hard-codes the variables value so that it can't be overridden. For the list of features only that one feature is permanently enabled or disabled (if its keyword is prefixed with "no-"). The other, unlisted, features can still be set/overridden vy users. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 8 Aug 1996, TRAN Huu Da wrote: > Un jour, Elliot Cole (elliot.cole@bc.edu) > affirmait publiquement que: > > | I work in a public lab environment, and so I need to find a way > | to permanently turn the autosave feature off. Does anyone know of a way > | of changing the program so that the users will not even have the option > | for this? > > Create a pine.conf.fixed file (usually in /usr/local/lib). > > HTH.. > > __________________________________________________________________________ > TRAN, Huu Da mailto:tranhu@jsp.umontreal.ca > B.Sc info (2e annie) http://www.jsp.umontreal.ca/~tranhu/ > Universiti de Montrial > -----> Ce n'est s{rement pas l'universiti qui partage mes opinions. <----- > > Il y a des miroirs pour le visage, il n'y en a pas pour l'esprit. > -- B. Gracian > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26151; Fri, 9 Aug 96 01:47:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19130; Fri, 9 Aug 96 01:45:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19124; Fri, 9 Aug 96 01:45:46 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:43:24 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) for id JAA09049; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:45:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:45:22 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: A question about email address In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I disagree. It is precisely because Navigator etc make it so easy to set up (also "misrepresent", "set up wrongly" and "forge other people's) e-mail addresses that our University (and, I hope, others) take such a dim view of them for use as mailers. The solution we use (as do many sites) is to have a properly managed mail hub. All outgoing mail is directed through the hub, which rewrites headers -- specifically the From: line -- appropriately. In our case this is to harmonise the e-mail address to "username@unix.york.ac.uk" regardless of which machine the message originated from. It could also change "username" to "real name" if we so wished (we don't). This, surely, is the best solution as it doesn't then involve each and every user duplicating effort (and possibly making mistakes) setting their own From: line up. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 8 Aug 1996, Nancy McGough wrote: > Edmund Lau writes: > >> That's why I want to let > >> my formal address appear in the header of my message, instead of my real > >> address. > > > >All you have to do is just set up > >the user-domain line to be what ever you want. Hope this helps. > > This only works if the username is the same at both the domain > names. The general solution is to ask your sys admin to compile > pine so that ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM is permitted. I really think > that the default pine should ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM and sys admins > should have to set DISALLOW_CHANGING_FROM if they do not want their > users to do this. Zillions of programs, including the ubiquitous > Navigator allow people to change the From line. > > -Nancy > > -- > <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< > @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ > (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) > ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26468; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:39:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19769; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:35:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19763; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:35:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uonxB-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:34 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Hans Schleichert Subject: Re: Y command Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:25:05 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4udc4k$rmv@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4udc4k$rmv@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> On 8 Aug 1996, Adam Vardy wrote: > Can someone tell me about this command? When I hit ? for help and scroll > down through that, I can see no mention of this command. Why doesn't Pine > tell me what it does? Depends on the situation. The short menu at the bottom of the screen tells you what Y does. Sometimes (for example, in the message viewer) it's on the second page (use O Other commands to scroll menu pages). With respect to messages, Y means print (they spell it prYnt). When prompted yes/no, it means yes. - Hans -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Schleichert, Dipl.-Phys. Institut fuer Medizinische Psychologie und Verhaltensneurobiologie (Institute of Medical Psychology and Behavioural Neurobiology) Eberhard-Karls-University Gartenstrasse 29 D-72074 Tuebingen, Germany From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26716; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:45:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07451; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:40:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07445; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:40:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uonzW-00038TC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:36 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Hans Schleichert Subject: Re: E-mail address not always user@domain Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:28:16 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4uddk2$c1n@annapolis.Capitol.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4uddk2$c1n@annapolis.Capitol.Net> You have two possibilities: (1) Have your local mailer replace the From: lines. Our mailer, for example, replaces all From: userid@mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de lines by From: firstname.surname@uni-tuebingen.de. (2) Make your users insert a customized header From: generic-address (while viewing this message, press H Header mode to see my From: line). - Hans -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Schleichert, Dipl.-Phys. Institut fuer Medizinische Psychologie und Verhaltensneurobiologie (Institute of Medical Psychology and Behavioural Neurobiology) Eberhard-Karls-University Gartenstrasse 29 D-72074 Tuebingen, Germany From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26724; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:48:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19900; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:45:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19894; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:45:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoo3o-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 02:40 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Juan ALDAY Subject: Re: bulk-e-mail.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:36:48 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4uc4eb$e9c@ramona.sfo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: <4uc4eb$e9c@ramona.sfo.com> On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 sales@bulk-e-mail.com wrote: > We Make Business More Productive With: > =B7 Mass E-Mail Campaigns. =B7 Tested Promotional Programs. > =B7 Robust Data Collection. =B7 Full Data Administration. > =B7 Millions Of Addresses World Wide. =B7 Full System Administration. >=20 > The collected data will allow you and your clients a measured return on= =20 > investment !!!!!=20 No big deal, as long as I don't get one of those advs... Remember, my system (like so many others) tends to send hundreds of Mbs to companies that send unwanted commercial advs. > =B7 Millions Of Addresses World Wide. I hope mine's not there... ___________________________________________________________________________= __ Juan ALDAY=20 SPAIN | FRANCE =20 alday@encomix.es | Juan.Alday@enst-bretagne.fr http://www.encomix.es/~alday | Finger for Geek Code Info |=09=09 UK Finger for PGP Public Key | alday@nic.gi (Unsolicited commercial ads to this e-mail will be considered as abuse!) Each unsolicited comercial e-mail received will be returned 100 times with a 2 Mb file attach ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27745; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:41:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22372; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:40:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22366; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:40:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoqoa-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:37 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yuan@nka1.med.uc.edu (Jie Yuan) Subject: Re: new Pine operations Date: 9 Aug 1996 11:52:51 GMT Message-Id: <4uf8qj$l8q@babbage.ece.uc.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article , dlangen@makani.k12.hi.us (David Langen) writes: >I asked for help the other day because I couldn't print off my Pine >connections. I can do it now. Is there anyone who can tell me how to >print the whole message, not just the screen I'm looking at? Also, >somehow all my email is going into a "read only" folder which can't be >deleted. What can I do about that? Please advise. Thanks, >dlangen@makani.k12.hi.us If you are using Unix Pine, the default is to print the whole message. I have not found a way to print a part of message instead of the whole. Anyone? Jie -- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. -- == POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575 = 513-558-2352 == == Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = www.uc.edu/~yuanj = using Knews == == finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu for my PGP pub. key= From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27642; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:55:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09870; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:50:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09864; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:50:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uoqz1-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:48 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Semyon Subject: HELP Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 07:23:38 -0400 Message-Id: <320B1FBA.50BF@advn.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I got some info from ftp://128.146.20.83/ Now they change their directories and important files dissapears. How to find old files or e-mail of this FTP-master? Please, respond directly to my e-mail. Thanks Semyon (user-idiot) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28348; Fri, 9 Aug 96 06:57:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10647; Fri, 9 Aug 96 06:53:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dhc1.deehoward.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10641; Fri, 9 Aug 96 06:53:23 -0700 Received: from localhost by dhc1.deehoward.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA62730; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:50:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:50:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Andrea Gonzales To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: exporting folder contents Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to export the contents of an entire folder to a file, WITHOUT having to do each msg. one by one? Please reply directly. :) thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrea D. Gonzales adg5283@dhc1.deehowrd.com Dee Howard Co. Mfg. Division Shipping & Receiving Dept. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28927; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:39:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23846; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:33:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23834; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:33:17 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:30:56 +0100 Received: from localhost by tower.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id PAA27425; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:32:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:32:53 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Andrea Gonzales Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: exporting folder contents In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes ... use the "Select" and "Apply" commands. The former allows you to select a set of messages; the latter allows you to apply a command to the selection. Before you can use these you may need to turn on the "enable-aggregate-command-set" in the Setup Configuration screen. Having done this go to the Index screen on the folder you want to do this for then type: ; A ... Select All messages A E ... Apply an Export command to the selection (then follow the prompts as usual). Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Andrea Gonzales wrote: > Is there a way to export the contents of an entire folder to a file, > WITHOUT having to do each msg. one by one? > Please reply directly. > :) thanks! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Andrea D. Gonzales adg5283@dhc1.deehowrd.com > Dee Howard Co. Mfg. Division Shipping & Receiving Dept. > > * * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * * * > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29211; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:52:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24061; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:44:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dhc1.deehoward.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24055; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:44:26 -0700 Received: from localhost by dhc1.deehoward.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44850; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:41:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:41:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Andrea Gonzales To: Mike Brudenell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: exporting folder contents In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks, Mike....It worked. On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote: > Yes ... use the "Select" and "Apply" commands. > > The former allows you to select a set of messages; the latter allows you > to apply a command to the selection. > > Before you can use these you may need to turn on the > "enable-aggregate-command-set" in the Setup Configuration screen. > > Having done this go to the Index screen on the folder you want to do this > for then type: > > ; A ... Select All messages > A E ... Apply an Export command to the selection > (then follow the prompts as usual). > Cheers, > > Mike Brudenell > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK > Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrea D. Gonzales adg5283@dhc1.deehowrd.com Dee Howard Co. Mfg. Division Shipping & Receiving Dept. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29915; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:16:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24598; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:10:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24591; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:10:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uot90-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:06 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: info on EXTRADRIVERS=mbox Date: 9 Aug 1996 15:04:56 GMT Message-Id: <4ufk2o$qi5@hatathli.csulb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Where can I get further information on building PINE with the mbox driver? PINE behaves in an peculiar manner: 1. PINE is started by a user who has a file ~/mbox. All mail from the NFS-mounted spool is appended to the end of ~/mbox which serves as the INBOX folder. When exiting from PINE, the mail spool file (/usr/spool/mail/) is empty while all undeleted messages remain in ~/mbox. 2. PINE is started by a user without an ~/mbox file Messages from /usr/spool/mail/ are used as the INBOX folder. When exiting from PINE, undeleted messages remain in the NFS-mounted mail spool rather than being copied to ~/mbox. Can anyone shed some light on how to make PINE behave as in #1 eventhough a user doesn't have an "mbox" file? --matt ============================================================================ matthew black | the opinions expressed herein are mine and network & systems administrator | may not reflect those of my employer. california state university | cecs department | e-mail: black@csulb.edu 1250 bellflower boulevard | PGP fingerprint: 98 4E DF BE 49 A8 DF 99 long beach, ca 90840 | 6A 7A 1B F1 3E 50 E5 D2 =============================(c) 1996 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA30514; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:38:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25220; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:35:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.kitsap.lib.wa.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25214; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:35:06 -0700 Received: from linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us (linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us [198.187.135.22]) by mail.kitsap.lib.wa.us (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04287; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:39:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Schuyler To: Tim Rice Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Arrow keys on Non-ANSI terminals In-Reply-To: <4u6ghm$mvd@crl3.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Aug 1996, Tim Rice wrote: > I just tried pine (unix 3.95) yesterday on a non ANSI terminal (wyse 150) > and noticed that the arrow keys did not work in the main menu like > they do with ANSI type terminals. > Shouldn't it work? > Are the arrow keys hard coded or does it get the info from the curses library? > I've been using pine since var 3.91 and I just realized that's > the first tim I tried it on a non ANSI terminal. Perhaps this is related: Ever since we went to 3.95 several of our users report screen emulation problems that they had not had prior to 3.95. There is no mention of screen changes in the update docs. BUT did something change in 3.95 vis-a-vis VT-100 emulation? o o o o o o o . . . _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | Kitsap Regional | | LinkNet Support | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | Library | | 'least we try! | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|____________________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ============================================================================ Support: (360) 405-9131 Fax:(360) 405-9128 support@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us Michael Schuyler: Voice:(360) 405-9139 michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA31199; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:59:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12863; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:50:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12857; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:50:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uotnr-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:48 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjenks@solaria.sol.net (Mark Jenks) Subject: Re: Arrow keys on Non-ANSI terminals Date: 9 Aug 1996 12:47:14 GMT Message-Id: <4ufc0j$1d9@hummin.sol.net> References: <4u6ghm$mvd@crl3.crl.com> <4u95dh$7n2@news.xmission.com> <4ueaeq$8j6@news.xmission.com> Aaron M. Scarisbrick (aaron@xmission.com) wrote: : Aaron M. Scarisbrick (aaron@xmission.com) wrote: : : a couple others, because Wyse stupidly uses control characters not escape : : sequences for its arrow keys. This compile option must be put in pico's : I received some constructive abuse about labeling Wyse's control scheme as : being "stupid". I am now enlightened about the bad ol' days when people : used 2400 baud and (horrors!) 300 baud modems, and when DEC VT100 terminals : were new fangled expensive toys. Please excuse my ignorance as I was in : elementary school in the very early eighties. : I retract my calling Wyse "stupid", and wish to rephrase it as "innovative : challenged" when compared to more modern schemes. : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Aaron M. Scarisbrick "Yes, this is correct." -Larry Wall : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : aaron@xmission.com http://www.xmission.com/~aaron : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey, I still have my 110 acoustic-coupler at home (for posperity).. God, do I feel old now. Mark From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00424; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:16:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28128; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:12:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28122; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:12:03 -0700 Received: from ciint by ns.NL.net via EUnet id AA03680 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:40:40 +0200 Received: from pulsar.ciint.nl by ciint.ciint.nl id aa14740; 9 Aug 96 18:10 WET Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:10:45 +0100 (WET) From: Richard Gering To: Knute Snortum Cc: Tim Rice , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Arrow keys on Non-ANSI terminals In-Reply-To: <320A3301.1659@teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Knute Snortum wrote: > Tim Rice wrote: > > > > I just tried pine (unix 3.95) yesterday on a non ANSI terminal (wyse 150) > > and noticed that the arrow keys did not work in the main menu like > > they do with ANSI type terminals. [ snip ] > I'm not the expert on this, but since no one's answered you yet, I'll > give you the basics. Yes, I believe pine "hard codes" the arrow keys > (someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) It just has a "list" of > escape sequences that it knows are all arrow keys. Pine does indeed maintain a list of ANSI based edit keys that will always be recognized (arrows, home, end, etc...), but as of version 3.92 this list just functions as a default. Starting from this version, Pine will also obtain a list of valid key sequences from either termcap or terminfo (depending on the default for your platform). > The problem with Wyse terminals is that the arrow keys send control > characters that Pine uses for other functions, such as ^K. To avoid a potential change in behavior when upgrading from a Pine release prior to 3.92, any sequence that attempts to redefine one of Pine's default "hard coded" keys is ignored (because termcap/terminfo are notorious for being incomplete or incorrect). Also, any sequence from termcap/terminfo that doesn't start with an escape is ignored. > You can compile Pine so that it uses the arrow keys, but then you lose > those functions. Indeed. By adding "-DTERMCAP_WINS" to the STDCFLAGS definition in the makefiles pine/makefile. and pico/makefile., any sequence defined in termcap/terminfo will take precedence over the defaults of Pine, even if it doesn't start with an escape. As a result, the arrow keys will now work on any Wyse terminal. However, any key that returns a value identical to a Ctrl- function of Pine or Pico will now have precedence over that function. For example, if you press Ctrl-K in an attempt to Cut Text in the composer, a cursor up action will be performed instead (on a Wyse terminal). You can still access the overlapped functions by using the feature of Pine/Pico that allows Ctrl- to be entered as ESC ESC , but it requires a different action on the part of the user. > Solutions? Several. One is to use the termcap to turn your terminal > into an ANSI terminal. Sounds magical, huh? I believe it uses the "is" > keyword. Don't know the details. Exactly! On SCO, for example, most of the Wyse terminals are also support by a terminal entry that ends in "ak" (for ANSI Keys). When you select these terminal entries, all edit keys will be programmed with ANSI-like values (indeed using "is" for termcap and "is2" for terminfo). At the same time, the "interpret sequence X as key Y" values are changed to match the new ANSI sequences. Pine would have recognized the ANSI keys anyway using its hard coded list of keys, but it is necessary to support "vi" & co. On such systems, specifying TERM as "wy150ak" before calling Pine should make your edit keys work (it might also require a "tput init" command). > The other is to reprogram the arrow keys before you go into pine and > reset them when you come out. I've got a script to do that, but not on > me. This is indeed the solution to go for if you are lacking the previously mentioned "ak" entries. Be sure that you DON'T have TERMCAP_WINS enabled when you are using these scripts. If you do, termcap/terminfo will still report that certain Ctrl values are to be mapped to keys. Even though Pine will recognize the reprogrammed ANSI values using its hard coded key list, pressing an overlapped Ctrl- function would still act like pressing the key it is "officially" mapped to (gaining nothing over the situation with just TERMCAP_WINS enabled). In general, having TERMCAP_WINS enabled only is a problem if you have defective termcap/terminfo files or if you are using scripts that will reprogram your keys. What you gain by enabling it, is right out-of-the-box support for Wyse terminals (with the forementioned limitations) and (full) support for a number of other terminals (MAI terminals, anyone?). It should also be the only way to get the cursor keys of a Wyse 50 to work because, as far as I know, these keys cannot be reprogrammed. I hope this adds some background to the information Knute was kind enough to supply. I also like to second his idea of putting this information in a FAQ of some sort. Kind regards, - Richard Gering. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) | Let me make one thing perfectly clear: | | CI International B.V. Netherlands | I never explain anything! (Mary Poppins)| +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01026; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:49:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29113; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:46:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29107; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:46:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uovad-00038TC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:43 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gray@access1.digex.net Subject: cmsg cancel <4udbet$iqo@access1.digex.net> Control: cancel <4udbet$iqo@access1.digex.net> Date: 9 Aug 1996 13:33:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4ufspr$4k1@access1.digex.net> <4udbet$iqo@access1.digex.net> was cancelled from within trn. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06126; Fri, 9 Aug 96 14:49:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22847; Fri, 9 Aug 96 14:46:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22839; Fri, 9 Aug 96 14:46:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com id m0uozLh-00038BC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 14:44 PDT (Smail3.1.29.1#1) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rob Funk) Subject: Re: E-mail address not always user@domain Date: 9 Aug 1996 19:37:41 GMT Message-Id: <4ug425$5no@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <4uddk2$c1n@annapolis.capitol.net> In article <4uddk2$c1n@annapolis.capitol.net>, Mike Batchelor wrote: >set up to do direct SMTP to the mail server (Sendmail 8.7.5). Sendmail is >linked against the Berkeley db 1.85, so our incoming aliasing can take >advantage of some simple db lookup rules. But I haven't gotten this to work >yet for outgoing reverse aliasing. Normally, setting a mailname for the user in sendmail's userdb file should do the trick -- but only if the mailer doesn't fully-qualify the sender's From address. However, there is no way (short of changing source code) to prevent pine from fully-qualifying the sender's From address. I'm trying to work out a way to make sendmail deal with this (de-qualify the name before userdb lookup), but I'm no sendmail expert. -- =========== R o b F u n k ===========|===========> funk+@osu.edu <=========== "Why are you here? Snap out of it. |rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wake up. It's all illusions." |rfunk@freenet.columbus.oh.us "I LIKE THE MOVIE" -- Richard Bach |http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~funkr From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28161; Fri, 9 Aug 96 19:02:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10916; Fri, 9 Aug 96 19:00:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10910; Fri, 9 Aug 96 19:00:43 -0700 Received: (from brennan@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA19063; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 22:00:34 EDT From: Joe Brennan To: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: info on EXTRADRIVERS=mbox In-Reply-To: Your message of 9 Aug 1996 15:04:56 GMT Message-Id: > Where can I get further information on building PINE with the mbox driver? > PINE behaves in an peculiar manner: Interesting question, because we have a "small" spool disk and a "large" array for home directories, so we want to use mbox. You've described the way the drivers work. Note that the order of appearance in the makefile determines the order in which Pine tries them; the first one that works gets used. The mbox driver gets called on the condition that there is an mbox file. If so, Pine uses it and moves new mail into it by itself, as you describe. If there is no mbox, Pine moves on to the next driver in the list. Pine is essentially anti-mbox and the driver seems to be no more than a concession to users who happen to have an mbox already. As soon as the mbox is empty, Pine reverts to its tendency to keep mail in spool. You might be tempted to do "touch mbox" at login, or in a pine shellscript wrapper, but it's not good enough! You will also need to modify one of the source files to make it accept a zero-length mbox as "valid". Joseph Brennan Postmaster Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York postmaster@columbia.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(1) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.11/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10166; Fri, 9 Aug 96 21:04:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12431; Fri, 9 Aug 96 21:02:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12425; Fri, 9