From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 00:38:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27721; Mon, 1 Jan 96 00:38:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16524; Mon, 1 Jan 96 00:31:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from peach.epix.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16518; Mon, 1 Jan 96 00:31:45 -0800 Received: (jgvd@localhost) by peach.epix.net (8.6.10/950112.08ccg) id DAA07462; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 03:31:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 03:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan, John, & Carol" To: Nico van der Horn Cc: Jonathan and DearOldDad , The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 30 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: > On 30 Dec 1995, Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote: > > Nico van der Horn (nico@vanderhorn.nl) wrote: > > : I just discovered that when I reply to a user that is in my addressbook > > : with appropriate fcc value, the copy will be done to a folder with the > > : same name as the loginname of the recipient. > > : Can this be changed by configuration or is it not possible ? > > Not sure what you mean by 'appropriate fcc value' but you can fcc to any > > folder name you wish, does NOT have to go to a folder with the > > recipient's login name, but apparently that's the way you set up your > > fcc's. For example, I correspond with 6 or 7 people about golf related > > topics, and fcc all of that to a folder named saved-golf-stuff. It > > sounds like what you did is change the fcc in Config Setup to recipient, > > rather than the default sent-mail folder. > No, I kept the default to sent-mail Yes but I suspect you reset your fcc-name-rule to recipient > > Another way is to leave the default as sent-mail, then in your Addressbook > > Edit set the fcc for each correspondent to the folder you wish it to go to. > That's exactly what I did ! > In the addressbook I specified an Fcc for some entries. When I send mail > to one of these, the copy is placed in the specified folder instead of the > default Fcc, this is what I expected and like. > When I however *reply* to a party that has an entry in my addressbook with > the Fcc field filled in, the copy is done to a folder with the username of > this recipient. This is not what I expected :-( This should not happen, the fcc in your addressbook should override the fcc-name-rule to recipient, unless of course you have more than one name at the same address, then it will look for the 1st name with that address. > In your example of the Golf-related subject, it might be handy also if all > reply's are *automatically* copied in the Fcc corresponding to the entry > in your addressbook. Ofcourse this is only handy if all of these users are > related to this subject, otherwise you must specify the Fcc by hand or > let it default to "sent-mail" and sort it out later. Correct, except your default is NOT sent-mail it's recipient. > While responding to this message, Pine wanted to put the Fcc in a (not > yet existing) folder "jgvd" Which it what it should do, since you reset your fcc-name-rule to recipient > although the default-Fcc is still "sent-mail" You can't have it both ways > and there is no entry for you in my addressbook. By hand I changed the > Fcc to "pine.out", all other messages of this list are saved in "pineYYMM". Not sure how to explain this any better, but without some other mail filtering program, PINE can save 'carbon copies' (fcc's) of sent mail to either the generic sent-mail folder (which can be renamed or redirected), or by recipient, or by sender, or by fcc's specified in your addressbook, but as you pointed out above, if you reset it as you have to save by recipient, and that recipient is not in your addressbook, it's going to try to make a (for example jgvd) folder because that's what you told it to do. Your original question of PINE overriding the fcc's set in your addressbook probably has to do with the fact that you have 2 or more names with the same address, and PINE will look to fcc to the first ADDRESS not the first name so if you have 'Grandma van@nico.nl' and 'Grandpa van@nico.nl' it will look to the first van@nico.nl for an fcc and if Grandma doesn't have one, Grandpa's mail won't be fcc'd there either. Don't ask why, I don't know, I just know how it works. BYE /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka JohnGVanDalen) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 04:18:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01800; Mon, 1 Jan 96 04:18:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17998; Mon, 1 Jan 96 04:13:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17992; Mon, 1 Jan 96 04:13:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWj6q-00038CC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 04:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 1 Jan 1996 09:33:38 GMT Message-Id: <4c89pi$vs7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asg4f$r4k@news.orst.edu> <4bi658$7ed@Mercury.mcs.com> <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu>, John Stanley wrote: >I do not see such a mechanism in trn, which is a very common >newsreader. You can "F" or you can "R", but there is no "FR". The next time you type F or f in trn to post a followup, notice that there is a "Cc:" line at the top. The purpose of it is to send email at the same time as you are posting news. >The issue is not one of receiving replies, and you should be smart >enough to know that. It is one of getting those replies via a DIFFERENT >mechanism than the original article. When I post news, I look in news >for replies. I don't ask for mail unless I think the answers are >important enough to demand IMMEDIATE attention, which is what I have to >give email. People who assume that any answer they give to any comment I >make is important enough to demand immediate attention are assuming too >much responsibility for themselves. Whenever I ask a question with a specific answer on a technical newsgroup, I ask for replies via email and explain that I will summarize responses. There are several benefits. First, I can keep signal-to-noise on the newsgroup to a minimum, by weeding through the responses in my mailbox and posting a summary of responses (or sometimes just by explaining what worked). Second, the amount of lag time between my posting, the post reaching someone who knows the answer, and their post reaching me can be days. With the lag getting longer and the expiration period on newsgroups getting shorter every month, being able to halve the amount of time for a response is welcome. Third, there are many people (sometimes called "lurkers") who do not choose to post but will send email. If they answer my question, then that is an answer I would not have received if I asked for all responses to be sent to the newsgroup. (Yes, this point isn't so solid because one may say that such people would just email me anyway, but I'm not so sure that's true.) Fourth -- and for me, most important -- is that email waits for *me*. As a sysadmin, I can't plan for system failures and other times of duress, and reading news is rather low on my list of priorities. When I have to work a seventy-hour week, I'm lucky to keep myself clean and fed -- I can forget sleeping, let alone reading news. If I'm away from news for a few days, the article answering my question is likely to be gone. My only choices are to ask the question of the newsgroup again (which is rather rude) or to wait until one of the archival services pick up the article (which in my experience can take weeks). If everyone had high-speed lines and tens of gigabytes of storage on their news spools, then I'd probably use news to solicit email responses much less frequently; news alone would be quite acceptable. But for asking questions for which there is a specific answer ("is there a way to clear the foobar database on a VZ/9000?") and I am interested in that answer, and not discussion, I will continue to solicit email. I don't think we're disagreeing here; I, too, get irritated when I receive email that was also posted and the author does not say so in the body of the message. But not so irritated as to killfile them in news. As for killfiling individuals in mail, that's another argument that I'm not going to get into here. I personally believe that killfiling an individual's email is crass and tactless, the equivalent of totally ignoring someone you know when you meet in person. But that's a disagreement for another day. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris/ System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 12:43:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09001; Mon, 1 Jan 96 12:43:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26148; Mon, 1 Jan 96 12:34:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26142; Mon, 1 Jan 96 12:34:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWqtZ-00038CC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 12:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Parlar@McMaster.CA (Mahmut Parlar) Subject: Q: How to make the cursor skip to the next word? Date: 1 Jan 1996 19:23:19 GMT Message-Id: <4c9cb7$rjk@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> Status: O X-Status: Hello: In most DOS/Windows wordprocessors, pressing the `Ctrl + Right Arrow' keys would make the cursor jump to the next word. The PINE v3.91 Editor we have here doesn't understand this key combination (I guess because it is a UNIX application). Is there a similar key combination in PINE that would do the same thing? Thanks for your help. Mahmut Parlar From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 13:07:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09758; Mon, 1 Jan 96 13:07:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24847; Mon, 1 Jan 96 12:59:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24841; Mon, 1 Jan 96 12:59:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWrGm-00038CC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 12:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: repost. Date: 1 Jan 1996 20:00:59 GMT Message-Id: <4c9ehr$5uu@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Sean Cross (secross@whidbey) wrote: : Why can't my postings to a newsgroup get out. (other than my site.) : When i post a message to a newsgroup it's as if the posting does not exist : on the other sites. : I see my posting on my local site, But anyother site it is not there. : I have verifyed this by sending out a post to a newsgroup : then telnet to another site, but when i check the newsgroup for my posting : the posting is not there. : I seem to get answers from my postings in whidbey.com but nowhere else. : This can be very frustrating! : Help on this would be greatly appreasheated. You postings ARE getting out. The reason you don't see them immediately when you telnet to another site and look for them, probably is because it may take several hours OR MORE for the post to travel to the other site's server, could even in some cases be a day or more. Hope that helps. BYE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 13:20:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10033; Mon, 1 Jan 96 13:20:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26935; Mon, 1 Jan 96 13:14:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26929; Mon, 1 Jan 96 13:14:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWrXD-00038CC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 13:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Russ Allbery Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 01 Jan 1996 12:36:08 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asg4f$r4k@news.orst.edu> In-Reply-To: harris@email.unc.edu's message of 1 Jan 1996 09:33:38 GMT Status: O X-Status: In news.admin.misc, Trey Harris writes: > As for killfiling individuals in mail, that's another argument that I'm > not going to get into here. I personally believe that killfiling an > individual's email is crass and tactless, the equivalent of totally > ignoring someone you know when you meet in person. But that's a > disagreement for another day. You are fortunate to not have encountered some of the people I have sending me e-mail. I hope you will remain so fortunate. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 16:45:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13132; Mon, 1 Jan 96 16:45:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28110; Mon, 1 Jan 96 16:40:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28104; Mon, 1 Jan 96 16:40:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWuiP-00038CC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 16:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tom Phoenix Subject: Interrupting wait for news server Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:27:13 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Sometimes the news server on my site is slow to respond, so Pine seems to hang. Is there any way to interrupt Pine, so I can get back to more interesting things? I can use 'kill' to send a signal to Pine, but I don't want to kill it; I just want to wake it up! ;-) -- Tom Phoenix http://www.teleport.com/~rootbeer/ rootbeer@teleport.com PGP Skribu al mi per Esperanto! Randal Schwartz Defense: Send mail to From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 17:04:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13780; Mon, 1 Jan 96 17:04:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00406; Mon, 1 Jan 96 17:00:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00400; Mon, 1 Jan 96 17:00:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWv4b-00038EC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 16:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Q: How to make the cursor skip to the next word? Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:17:14 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4c9cb7$rjk@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4c9cb7$rjk@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> Status: O X-Status: On 1 Jan 1996, Mahmut Parlar wrote: > In most DOS/Windows wordprocessors, pressing the > `Ctrl + Right Arrow' keys would make the cursor jump to the next word. The > PINE v3.91 Editor we have here doesn't understand this key combination I am using Unix Pine 3.91. In the composer (or in Pico, which is pretty much the same thing), Ctrl-@ (^@) moves the cursor from word to word toward the right. On my keyboard I do not have to use Shift, so Ctrl-2 works just fine. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 18:19:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15001; Mon, 1 Jan 96 18:19:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29885; Mon, 1 Jan 96 18:15:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29877; Mon, 1 Jan 96 18:15:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWwCu-00038CC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 18:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: cancelling a post Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:37:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Maybe a year ago, someone in this group described how to cancel a newsgroup post. I think you send another message after it with a header in it called "Control:". Unfortunately I can't recall what was supposed to appear in the Control: line. Does anyone know how to do this? Ian Ollmann iano@scripps.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 19:48:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16577; Mon, 1 Jan 96 19:48:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03312; Mon, 1 Jan 96 19:45:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03306; Mon, 1 Jan 96 19:45:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWxeG-00038EC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 19:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: u3718709@netserv.chula.ac.th (Piyawat Suesretasit) Subject: How to quit?? Date: 2 Jan 1996 09:55:59 GMT Message-Id: <4cavff$46b@enterprise.netserv.chula.ac.th> Status: O X-Status: I'm not goot at English..so don't laugh if u see a funny sentence.. I have a problem with pine...when i choose 'q' command from the main menu to quit, it will display 'Really quit pine??' and then _hang_ . I don't know why...so if anyone have an experience like me, please tell me how to do.. Thank you very much, from newuser... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 1 22:17:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19216; Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:17:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04003; Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:10:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03997; Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:10:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWzve-00038KC; Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cal Sawyer Subject: Binhex attachment woes Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 21:32:35 -0800 Message-Id: <30E8C373.BF3@eciad.bc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: I keep getting attachments encoded binhex4 from wiseacre Eudora users! Have searched high and low for a binhex processor for UNIX (specifically IRIX 5.2) but can find no such utility. Can someone out there in Pineland help out with this? TIA! ")_cal! --------------------------------------- Cal Sawyer Emily Carr Institute of Art and Design Vancouver, B.C. Canada --------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 03:03:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24741; Tue, 2 Jan 96 03:03:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08766; Tue, 2 Jan 96 02:51:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08760; Tue, 2 Jan 96 02:51:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tX4Ef-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 02:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mkchang@ctsc.hkbc.hk (Ludwig Chang Man Kit) Subject: problem using PINE for window Date: 2 Jan 1996 17:40:18 +0800 Message-Id: <4caui2$18so@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Status: O X-Status: I am using PCPINE 391 under window 3.1 running on Novell network. My mail is in a rs6000 machine which have PINE for unix installed. When I try to set up the pcpine to get my mail from this server, a alway got a message saying the connection refused. I just wonder, since I don't have to type in my unix account password in the pcpine, it is normal to be refused by the host!! How should I set up my pcpine to read the mail send to my unix host? Thanks very much for your help. Man Kit -- ============================================================================ Man Kit Chang ++ e-mail : mkchang@ctsc.hkbu.edu.hk Department of Finance and ++ address: 224 Waterloo Road Decision Sciences ++ Kowloon, Hong Kong School of Business ++ Hong Kong Baptist University ++ ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 06:24:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29041; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:24:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14022; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:16:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14016; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:16:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tX7Vl-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stf@altair.com (Steve Ferguson) Subject: Re: How to quit?? Date: 2 Jan 1996 13:24:27 GMT Message-Id: <4cbbmb$do@frankensun.altair.com> References: <4cavff$46b@enterprise.netserv.chula.ac.th> Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jan 1996 09:55:59 GMT, Piyawat Suesretasit wrote: > I have a problem with pine...when i choose 'q' command from the > main menu to quit, it will display 'Really quit pine??' and then > _hang_ . I don't know why...so if anyone have an experience like > me, please tell me how to do.. Have you tried answering the question with a 'y'? If not, you might try that. You can also set a feature in Pine called 'quit-without-confirm' which will avoid that prompt. -- ============================================================================= Steve Ferguson | Altair Engineering/Altair Computing Systems Analyst | Troy, Michigan 48084 USA stf@altair.com | (810)614-2400 x297 ============================================================================= Back-up: Current data errors that have been saved for future use. Crash: A normal termination. Loop: See Loop. Password: The nonsense word taped to your terminal. ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 06:28:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29139; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:28:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12378; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:21:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12372; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:21:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tX7Ww-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stf@altair.com (Steve Ferguson) Subject: Re: problem using PINE for window Date: 2 Jan 1996 13:26:33 GMT Message-Id: <4cbbq9$do@frankensun.altair.com> References: <4caui2$18so@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jan 1996 17:40:18 +0800, Ludwig Chang Man Kit wrote: > I am using PCPINE 391 under window 3.1 running on Novell network. My mail is > in a rs6000 machine which have PINE for unix installed. > When I try to set up the pcpine to get my mail from this server, a alway got > a message saying the connection refused. > I just wonder, since I don't have to type in my unix account password in the > pcpine, it is normal to be refused by the host!! > How should I set up my pcpine to read the mail send to my unix host? You need to set up your PC Pine client to read mail via IMAP. Define your INBOX as {mymailserverhostname}INBOX and it'll prompt you for a login name and password when you connect. If your AIX machine isn't running imapd, then it needs to (your mail server must support POP3 for this to work). I don't use PC Pine, so someone else may be more qualified to help you with PC specifics. -- ============================================================================= Steve Ferguson | Altair Engineering/Altair Computing Systems Analyst | Troy, Michigan 48084 USA stf@altair.com | (810)614-2400 x297 ============================================================================= Back-up: Current data errors that have been saved for future use. Crash: A normal termination. Loop: See Loop. Password: The nonsense word taped to your terminal. ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 06:33:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29336; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:33:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14204; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:26:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14198; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:26:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tX7dV-00038EC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stf@altair.com (Steve Ferguson) Subject: Pine 'metoo' behavior Date: 2 Jan 1996 13:34:44 GMT Message-Id: <4cbc9k$do@frankensun.altair.com> Status: O X-Status: I've been using Pine for months without any problems. Recently, we installed a different mail transport agent on our mail server (switching from standard Berkeley sendmail to smail). It appears that Pine's default behavior is 'metoo', meaning that if my name appears in an alias list, I get a copy of the message (which I don't want). Since the default behavior of Berkeley services is to *not* resend mail to the sender unless explicitly requested, I haven't noticed this feature of Pine until now. I've looked through all of the options under S)etup C)onfig and found nothing intuitively relevant. I've been assured by a person-with-clue that our smail process should behave the same way that sendmail does, and to verify that myself, I tried sending mail using UCB mail and defining 'set nometoo' in my .mailrc file. The results were as I expected. With 'set nometoo', I didn't receive a copy of my message. I've also tried sending my mail to a local sendmail process instead of punting it to our smail server via SMTP. This did not resolve the problem. What I'd like to know is: Is there a way to 'set nometoo' (as with UCB mail) under Pine so that I don't receive copies of messages I send to aliases that I'm in? Any help would be geniunely appreciated. :) -- ============================================================================= Steve Ferguson | Altair Engineering/Altair Computing Systems Analyst | Troy, Michigan 48084 USA stf@altair.com | (810)614-2400 x297 ============================================================================= Back-up: Current data errors that have been saved for future use. Crash: A normal termination. Loop: See Loop. Password: The nonsense word taped to your terminal. ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 06:43:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29562; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:43:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12708; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:36:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12702; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:36:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tX7lr-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 06:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfreeman@flowbee.interaccess.com (Richard E. Freeman) Subject: Killer Updates?! Date: 2 Jan 1996 13:34:32 GMT Message-Id: <4cbc98$e6o@nntp.interaccess.com> Status: O X-Status: In the past couple of weeks, when booting pine, at least twice I've gotten notices proclaiming that I was being updated to the latest version of pine, 3.91 I think, a version that was already running on my system. Each time my personal pine defaults have been zapped and had to be reset, and I also suspect a list I had created in the address book was also zapped. Who's doing this unecessary updating and why does it zap my defaults? -- Rich Freeman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 07:50:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01259; Tue, 2 Jan 96 07:50:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15787; Tue, 2 Jan 96 07:45:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sol.racsa.co.cr by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15781; Tue, 2 Jan 96 07:44:56 -0800 Received: by sol.racsa.co.cr (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24054; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:45:21 +0600 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:45:18 +0600 (GMT) From: "Claudio Miguel Regueyra R." To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Extracting binary files In-Reply-To: <4cbc9k$do@frankensun.altair.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 119 Status: O X-Status: I will really apreciate sombody can say me how can I to extract a binary file from a mail. Thanks. Claudio Regueyra From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 07:58:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01413; Tue, 2 Jan 96 07:58:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15968; Tue, 2 Jan 96 07:52:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15962; Tue, 2 Jan 96 07:52:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tX8zr-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 07:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stf@altair.com (Steve Ferguson) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 "freezes" trying to post ?? Date: 2 Jan 1996 15:45:03 GMT Message-Id: <4cbjtv$1db@frankensun.altair.com> References: <4cbgoj$1s2@ASARian.org> Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jan 1996 09:50:59 -0500, Fuzzy wrote: > we were unable to get pine to create a .pine-debug1 file, but we are able > to recreate the problem. user describes it below: > : From astraea@ASARian.orgTue Jan 2 09:00:45 1996 > : Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 06:22:47 -0500 (EST) > : From: astraea > : To: fuzzy@ASARian.org > : Subject: Newsgroups in Pine > : > : When one is posting to newsgroups through Pine, it is vitally important > : not to wander up into the header of said post. Doing so causes Pine to > : freeze irretrievably. > : > : One must also not postpone said message and attempt to continue it at a > : later time. Attempting to continue a postponed news message will also > : cause Pine to freeze. You really need to produce the .pine-debug1 file. Those problems are not being experienced globally. I use pine to edit news headers and such all the time. I've postponed messages dozens of times without a problem. Start up pine with 'pine -d 1' to get a debug level 1 file. Make sure your pine command isn't aliased (using C shell start it with a leading \, as in \pine) and make sure you have write permission in the directory you start it in. -- ============================================================================= Steve Ferguson | Altair Engineering/Altair Computing Systems Analyst | Troy, Michigan 48084 USA stf@altair.com | (810)614-2400 x297 ============================================================================= Back-up: Current data errors that have been saved for future use. Crash: A normal termination. Loop: See Loop. Password: The nonsense word taped to your terminal. ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 09:01:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04249; Tue, 2 Jan 96 09:01:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16106; Tue, 2 Jan 96 08:57:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16094; Tue, 2 Jan 96 08:57:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXA15-00038EC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 08:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cwiseman@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Chris Wiseman) Subject: Pine clips first 2 characters of folder names. Ideas? Date: 2 Jan 1996 16:45:50 GMT Message-Id: <4cbnfu$t25@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Status: O X-Status: -- Folks, My system administrator downloaded and compiled pine for our project use. I haven't yet begun to dig in deeply to find out why, but when PINE lists the folders in the mail/ subdirectory, it chops off the first two characters in the folder names. For example, "sent-mail" is listed as "nt-mail." If I try to open this folder, PINE says "folder 'nt-mail' does not exist." This phenomenon occurs for every folder in ~/mail/. Also, "mail/" is listed as one of the folders. This seems strange. I don't remember this being the case on my last jobsite where I used PINE. Any ideas or help? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - J. Christopher Wiseman (Chris) | email: cwiseman@edms16.dtic.dla.mil - Systems/Software Engineer | vmail: (703)767-9218 - ATR Corporation, McLean, VA | #include "std_disclaimer_mine.h" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 09:56:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06844; Tue, 2 Jan 96 09:56:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19739; Tue, 2 Jan 96 09:52:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19733; Tue, 2 Jan 96 09:52:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXArZ-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 09:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: cancelling a post Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:50:48 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, Ian Russell Ollmann wrote: > Maybe a year ago, someone in this group described how to cancel a > newsgroup post. I think you send another message after it with a header in > it called "Control:". Unfortunately I can't recall what was supposed to > appear in the Control: line. Does anyone know how to do this? > > Ian Ollmann > iano@scripps.edu Last spring the post below appeared on comp.mail.pine. I cannot vouch for its correctness, Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart ////////////////// Date: 14 May 1995 17:50:03 GMT From: Paul Robinson Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Re: How to Cancel USENET posts Harris Internet Service Company (martyn@indirect.com) wrote: : What is the proper procedure for cancelling a newsgroup post? Get the original post number (the "references") and be sure to have a "Control:" header in the list of optional headers, or use the command in pine to allow you to add it. Use the following headers: Control: cancel Subject: cmsg cancel And have a non-empty text; the signature should be sufficient -- Ask me about Listmgr - the first PC-Based mailing list manager for E-Mail. Find out about "The Gatekeeper: The Gate Contracts" - Write to address below. Paul Robinson - paul@tdr.com / tdarcos@MCIMail.com / tdarcos@access.digex.net "The Greatest Philosopher in the World, maybe the Greatest who ever lived." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 10:06:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07271; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:06:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18326; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:02:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18320; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:02:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXAzf-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 09:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fuzzy@ASARian.org (Fuzzy) Subject: Pine 3.91 "freezes" trying to post ?? Date: 2 Jan 1996 09:50:59 -0500 Message-Id: <4cbgoj$1s2@ASARian.org> Status: O X-Status: >From fuzzy@ASARian.orgTue Jan 2 09:25:48 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:05:13 -0500 (EST) From: Fuzzy To: Pine Developers Cc: astraea@ASARian.org, fuzzy@ASARian.org Subject: Bug (ID NE80R) Re: newsgroups in Pine 3.91 we were unable to get pine to create a .pine-debug1 file, but we are able to recreate the problem. user describes it below: : From astraea@ASARian.orgTue Jan 2 09:00:45 1996 : Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 06:22:47 -0500 (EST) : From: astraea : To: fuzzy@ASARian.org : Subject: Newsgroups in Pine : : When one is posting to newsgroups through Pine, it is vitally important : not to wander up into the header of said post. Doing so causes Pine to : freeze irretrievably. : : One must also not postpone said message and attempt to continue it at a : later time. Attempting to continue a postponed news message will also : cause Pine to freeze. thanks in advance _____ __ __ ____ ____ __ __ / ___// // //__ )/__ )\ \/ / / __/ / // / / /__ / /__\ / (_/ (____/ <____/<____//_/ SysAdmin, ASARian.org Email: fuzzy@asarian.org -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 10:47:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09315; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:47:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21035; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:32:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21029; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:32:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXBVG-00038HC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.oce.orst.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 2 Jan 1996 17:27:30 GMT Message-Id: <820602938.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4bi658$7ed@Mercury.mcs.com> <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu> <4c89pi$vs7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <4c89pi$vs7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, Trey Harris wrote: >In article <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu>, >John Stanley wrote: >>I do not see such a mechanism in trn, which is a very common >>newsreader. You can "F" or you can "R", but there is no "FR". > >The next time you type F or f in trn to post a followup, notice that there >is a "Cc:" line at the top. The purpose of it is to send email at the >same time as you are posting news. The statement I replied to was to the effect that it was no harder to reply as the poster wished than to reply normally. In this case, the poster was asking for email copies of followups. I consider having to locate the proper email address and type it in to be much harder than just typing "F". >Whenever I ask a question with a specific answer on a technical newsgroup, >I ask for replies via email and explain that I will summarize responses. >There are several benefits. That's nice. That isn't the issue being discussed. If you read the paragraph you quoted, you might have noticed that it dealt with people sending mail and posting. >Fourth -- and for me, most important -- is that email waits for *me*. As That's nice. For me, email is brought to my attention immediately (if I am logged in) and requires that I at least look at who it is from to determine if it is something that requires more attention. Some dork sending me mail with a copy of his news article is an interruption I don't need. I will see his article in news. If I don't, and I have considered the topic important enough, it will be caught by my news agent. >a sysadmin, I can't plan for system failures and other times of duress, >and reading news is rather low on my list of priorities. Mine too. That is why getting copies of articles by mail is a waste of time. Someone has decided for me that his article should be high on my priority list. Even if all it says is "me too". >If I'm away from news for a few >days, the article answering my question is likely to be gone. My only So get an agent to scan news for important things and have it save them for you. It isn't rocket science. It took me an afternoon to write one. It isn't perfect, but when I left town for three weeks right at the beginning of a discussion, I didn't worry a bit about missing anything. It was waiting for me when I got back. >and not discussion, I will continue to solicit email. Good for you. And there will be people who will ignore your question because they think your solicitation is rude, or who will post anyway. You make your choice, they make theirs. >the message. But not so irritated as to killfile them in news. Excuse me? Where did I say I killfile them in news? >As for killfiling individuals in mail, that's another argument that I'm >not going to get into here. I personally believe that killfiling an >individual's email is crass and tactless, the equivalent of totally >ignoring someone you know when you meet in person. Email is not meeting someone in person. If you think it is crass and tasteless to reject email from crass and tasteless people who refuse to stop sending copies of news articles, well, that's your opinion and I am not going to let it bother me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 10:52:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09697; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:52:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19300; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:37:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19294; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:37:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXBWx-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric Tse Subject: Re: Extracting binary files Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:09:26 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <4cbc9k$do@frankensun.altair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jan 1996, Claudio Miguel Regueyra R. wrote: > I will really apreciate sombody can say me how can I to extract a binary > file from a mail. I assume that the binary file you wanted to extract is an attachment to an e-mail, thus in MIME format. When you're viewing that e-mail, press V for View. Then use the arrow keys to select the attachment. Press S for Save (to a file). Enter the file name you want the binary to be saved as. That's it. Eric From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 11:29:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11700; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:29:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22496; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:17:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22484; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:17:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXC9P-00038EC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Marshall Hollister-Jones Subject: Pine Crashes on Sco Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 08:25:54 +0000 Message-Id: <30EA3D92.844@enternet.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: I've installed a pine 3.91 binary compiled for Sco on SCO 3.2v4.2. It runs fine from the console or a dial-up PC emulating Wuse60 but crashes on ANY of our terminals (mix of tvi925, wyse60, wyse120). Here is the last few lines of debug output on each occasion: When run from the console: ******** new mail returning -1 ******** set_titlebar - style: 0 current message cnt:1 current_pl: 0 total_pl: 0 comatose(0) returns:STATUS: diff:0, displayed: 819758946, now: 819758947 output_message(Folder "INBOX" opened with 0 messages) STATUS cmd:120, disp:1, length:0, max:4, min2Select readfds:1 timeval:0,0 Select on tty returned 1 Read returned 1 Read char returning: 113 q Read command returning: 113 q New_mail_count zeroed When run from a terminal ******** new mail returning -1 ******** set_titlebar - style: 0 current message cnt:1 current_pl: 0 total_pl: 0 comatose(0) returns:STATUS: diff:0, displayed: 819711911, now: 819711912 output_message(Folder "INBOX" opened with 0 messages) STATUS cmd:120, disp:1, length:0, max:4, min2Select readfds:1 timeval:0,0 Select on tty returned -1 end_screen called about to end_tty_driver end_signals(1) Pine Panic: Select error: Invalid argument save_debug_on_crash: Version 3.91: debug level 9 Clearly there is an error with "Select on tty" but what does this mean and how do I fix it? I wondered about hand-shaking as our terminals use Xon/Xoff. Also we don't have tcp/ip. Marshall -- Dr Marshall Hollister-Jones, BHB, MBChB, General Practitioner. Chadwick Healthcare 190 Chadwick Rd, P.O. Box 3042, Greerton, Tauranga, New Zealand. Ph 64 -7-5780132, Fax 64-7-5787392. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 11:32:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11996; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:32:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20807; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:22:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20801; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:22:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXCFH-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pauljo@netcom.com (Paul Johnson) Subject: Controlling Packet Size Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:57:43 GMT Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to control the packet size of an attached binary using pine? The copy in use on netcom does not seem to break up the mime encoded binary into digestable sized packets, so attaching a large binary means that my email can't get through some gateways and to some services. Thanks, Paul -- -- Paul Johnson pauljo@netcom.com 75470.1721@compuserve.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 11:47:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12865; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:47:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23406; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:42:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23400; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:42:46 -0800 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA09972 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:42:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: Karimi Igeria To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine error Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm not sure what this error message means. It comes up whenever I start a pine session: Error saving configuration file "/home1/karimi/.pinerc":Cross-device link. could someone please shed some light on whats happnin' here. Permissions on the file are: -rw-r--r-- 1 karimi cc_acad 6537 Dec 29 13:35 .pinerc regards, --- Karimi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 12:07:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14056; Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:07:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24031; Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:02:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24025; Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:02:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXCqZ-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kstacey@tribeca.ios.com (Kevin Stacey) Subject: Re: How to quit?? Date: 2 Jan 1996 18:19:43 GMT Message-Id: <4cbsvv$j75@news.ios.com> References: <4cavff$46b@enterprise.netserv.chula.ac.th> Status: O X-Status: Piyawat Suesretasit (u3718709@netserv.chula.ac.th) wrote: : I'm not goot at English..so don't laugh if u see a funny sentence.. : I have a problem with pine...when i choose 'q' command from the : main menu to quit, it will display 'Really quit pine??' and then : _hang_ . I don't know why...so if anyone have an experience like : me, please tell me how to do.. : Thank you very much, : from newuser... Have you tried answering y for yes? -- Kevin Stacey There are not ten people in the world whose deaths would spoil my dinner, but there are one or two whose deaths would break my heart. Thomas Babington Macaulay in a letter to his sister, Hannah From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 14:12:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20689; Tue, 2 Jan 96 14:12:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25978; Tue, 2 Jan 96 14:07:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25972; Tue, 2 Jan 96 14:07:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXEoH-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 14:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@cal052012.student.utwente.nl (Remco van de Meent) Subject: Re: Filtering Mail Date: 2 Jan 1996 20:46:53 GMT Message-Id: <4cc5jt$5m8@driene.student.utwente.nl> References: Status: O X-Status: Gregory J. Hickel (gjhickel@server.wulaw.wustl.edu) wrote on Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:35:17 -0600: > The help file on Unix Pine mentions using an external program to filter > your mail. Could someone please direct me to these? Thanks! > Ehmmmmmmmmm, so I'm _not_ the only one looking for this information.... please mail me if you get responses... thanx -- Remco van de Meent. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 12:19:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28062; Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:19:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03386; Tue, 2 Jan 96 16:48:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03380; Tue, 2 Jan 96 16:48:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXHIM-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 16:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: Killer Updates?! Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:39:27 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4cbc98$e6o@nntp.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4cbc98$e6o@nntp.interaccess.com> Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jan 1996, Richard E. Freeman wrote: > In the past couple of weeks, when booting pine, at least twice I've gotten > notices proclaiming that I was being updated to the latest version of > pine, 3.91 I think, a version that was already running on my system. Each > time my personal pine defaults have been zapped and had to be reset, and I > also suspect a list I had created in the address book was also zapped. > Who's doing this unecessary updating and why does it zap my defaults? Actually, I think what is going on is that your defaults are getting zapped first. When you start up pine it looks at the defaults for the laster-version-used= line (or something like that) and sees that it is blank or not there and gives you the notice about the latest version of pine. I would look into things that might be causing your ~/.pinerc to be deleted. Ian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 18:12:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02238; Tue, 2 Jan 96 18:12:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06556; Tue, 2 Jan 96 19:18:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06550; Tue, 2 Jan 96 19:18:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXJdq-00038EC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 19:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jurist@netaxs.com (Jurist Inc.) Subject: BCC problem Date: 3 Jan 1996 02:55:16 GMT Message-Id: <4ccr6k$p2q@netaxs.com> Status: O X-Status: Has anyone noticed that if you BCC someone, it tells the main receipient of the message that you have done so? This doesn't sound like correct behavior. email trevor@jurist.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 18:12:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02244; Tue, 2 Jan 96 18:12:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04516; Tue, 2 Jan 96 19:18:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04510; Tue, 2 Jan 96 19:18:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXJdq-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 19:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine clips first 2 characters of folder names. Ideas? Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:08:48 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4cbnfu$t25@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4cbnfu$t25@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jan 1996, Chris Wiseman wrote: > My system administrator downloaded and compiled pine for our project > use. I haven't yet begun to dig in deeply to find out why, but when > PINE lists the folders in the mail/ subdirectory, it chops off the > first two characters in the folder names. For example, "sent-mail" > is listed as "nt-mail." If I try to open this folder, PINE says > "folder 'nt-mail' does not exist." This phenomenon occurs for every > folder in ~/mail/. Also, "mail/" is listed as one of the folders. > This seems strange. I don't remember this being the case on my last > jobsite where I used PINE. You lucky person. You must be running Solaris. You need to rebuild Pine, but first in the Makefile set "cc" to be "ucbcc" (which, in spite of the name, is the compiler that you use to compile SVR4 compliant programs). -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 18:56:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03120; Tue, 2 Jan 96 18:56:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07226; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:01:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [129.179.17.11] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07220; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:01:37 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:01:14 +0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:01:11 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine clips first 2 characters of folder names. Ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Mark Crispin wrote: > On 2 Jan 1996, Chris Wiseman wrote: > > My system administrator downloaded and compiled pine for our project > > use. I haven't yet begun to dig in deeply to find out why, but when > > PINE lists the folders in the mail/ subdirectory, it chops off the > > first two characters in the folder names. For example, "sent-mail" > > is listed as "nt-mail." If I try to open this folder, PINE says > > "folder 'nt-mail' does not exist." This phenomenon occurs for every > > folder in ~/mail/. Also, "mail/" is listed as one of the folders. > > This seems strange. I don't remember this being the case on my last > > jobsite where I used PINE. > > You lucky person. You must be running Solaris. You need to rebuild Pine, > but first in the Makefile set "cc" to be "ucbcc" (which, in spite of the > name, is the compiler that you use to compile SVR4 compliant programs). Hummm??? I've built pine3.89, 3.90, and 3.91 on Solaris 2.3, 2.4 and I've never had to "Makefile set "cc" to be "ucbcc".....and I've never seen the problem of clipping folder names. Gee....and not only that, what "Makefile" are you suggesting needs editing? Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 20:13:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03494; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:13:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07444; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:11:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07438; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:11:23 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67f2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA18729; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:11:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:07:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine clips first 2 characters of folder names. Ideas? To: Ed Greshko Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:01:11 +0800 (GMT), Ed Greshko wrote: > I've built pine3.89, 3.90, and 3.91 on Solaris 2.3, 2.4 and > I've never had to "Makefile set "cc" to be "ucbcc".....and I've never > seen the problem of clipping folder names. It all depends upon how the C compiler was installed on your system. If you have the BSD compatibility compiler installed as the default, you will get the clipping behavior. This is because the BSD readdir() function returns a struct in which the file name is offset two bytes from where it would be from the SVR4 readdir() function. > Gee....and not only that, what "Makefile" are you suggesting needs > editing? Pretty much all of them (imap, c-client, pico, pine, imapd) if you want to be sure that you are avoiding the problem. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 20:54:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04258; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:54:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05948; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:48:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05942; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:48:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXL4Q-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Pine clips first 2 characters of folder names. Ideas? Date: 3 Jan 96 03:37:39 GMT Message-Id: References: <4cbnfu$t25@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Status: O X-Status: Mark Crispin writes: >On 2 Jan 1996, Chris Wiseman wrote: >> My system administrator downloaded and compiled pine for our project >> use. I haven't yet begun to dig in deeply to find out why, but when >> PINE lists the folders in the mail/ subdirectory, it chops off the >> first two characters in the folder names. For example, "sent-mail" >> is listed as "nt-mail." If I try to open this folder, PINE says >> "folder 'nt-mail' does not exist." This phenomenon occurs for every >> folder in ~/mail/. Also, "mail/" is listed as one of the folders. >> This seems strange. I don't remember this being the case on my last >> jobsite where I used PINE. >You lucky person. You must be running Solaris. You need to rebuild Pine, >but first in the Makefile set "cc" to be "ucbcc" (which, in spite of the >name, is the compiler that you use to compile SVR4 compliant programs). This is very bad advice. It is best to completely avoid ucbcc. The specific symptom reported is the result of confounding includes and libs between the standard SVR4 environment and the incompletely and improperly done "bsd src compat" cruft. A properly configed and compiled Solaris program does not need any of the crap that ucbcc contaminates things with. Everyone who compiles things for SunOS 5.x should get a copy of the "Solaris Porting FAQ" from the FAQ place. >-- Mark -- >DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" >Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 21:23:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05138; Tue, 2 Jan 96 21:23:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08519; Tue, 2 Jan 96 21:13:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08513; Tue, 2 Jan 96 21:13:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXLVp-00038CC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 21:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: u3542725@netserv.chula.ac.th (Tanyawat Chawalitsunthorn) Subject: I think you ok! Date: 3 Jan 1996 09:58:14 GMT Message-Id: <4cdjvm$9qv@enterprise.netserv.chula.ac.th> Status: O X-Status: I think your idea not bad .Because I have idea same you So we is a friend in Internet If you want e-mail everyday you should responce me at u3542725@chulkn.chula.ac.th From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 2 21:59:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07515; Tue, 2 Jan 96 21:59:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10444; Tue, 2 Jan 96 22:59:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10438; Tue, 2 Jan 96 22:59:51 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03352; Tue, 2 Jan 96 22:59:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:59:48 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Steve Ferguson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 'metoo' behavior In-Reply-To: <4cbc9k$do@frankensun.altair.com> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: There is no way to set the metoo behavior. Pine's exec of sendmail doesn't set the parameter one way or the other, so you're getting the default set in the mail transport agent configuration. Apparently the sendmail default was set opposite of what the smail default is. If you know of an SMTP server that has the default the way you want it, you could set smtp-server to that host and that would probably fix it. The next version of pine will have a way to configure the arguments passed to the program that is invoked, so you'll be able to set the behavior you want with a command line argument. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 2 Jan 1996, Steve Ferguson wrote: > I've been using Pine for months without any problems. Recently, we > installed a different mail transport agent on our mail server (switching > from standard Berkeley sendmail to smail). It appears that Pine's default > behavior is 'metoo', meaning that if my name appears in an alias list, I > get a copy of the message (which I don't want). Since the default behavior > of Berkeley services is to *not* resend mail to the sender unless > explicitly requested, I haven't noticed this feature of Pine until now. > I've looked through all of the options under S)etup C)onfig and found > nothing intuitively relevant. I've been assured by a person-with-clue that > our smail process should behave the same way that sendmail does, and to > verify that myself, I tried sending mail using UCB mail and defining 'set > nometoo' in my .mailrc file. The results were as I expected. With 'set > nometoo', I didn't receive a copy of my message. I've also tried sending > my mail to a local sendmail process instead of punting it to our smail > server via SMTP. This did not resolve the problem. > > What I'd like to know is: Is there a way to 'set nometoo' (as with UCB > mail) under Pine so that I don't receive copies of messages I send to > aliases that I'm in? > > Any help would be geniunely appreciated. :) > > -- > ============================================================================= > Steve Ferguson | Altair Engineering/Altair Computing > Systems Analyst | Troy, Michigan 48084 USA > stf@altair.com | (810)614-2400 x297 > ============================================================================= > Back-up: Current data errors that have been saved for future use. > Crash: A normal termination. > Loop: See Loop. > Password: The nonsense word taped to your terminal. > ============================================================================= > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 03:42:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10954; Wed, 3 Jan 96 03:42:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10516; Wed, 3 Jan 96 01:14:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10510; Wed, 3 Jan 96 01:14:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXPCt-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 01:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Turning on/off enriched text? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:57:46 GMT Status: O X-Status: How is enriched text turned off in outgoing messages? I've been using Pine since 3.89, and I've never seen an option in .pinerc (or in the config menu since 3.90) to set or unset this feature. My messages never seem to go out with enriched text (which is my preference, since many people find it irritating), but I frequently see it in other messages generated by Pine (and usually with Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE). I couldn't find anything in the docs bundled with Pine, nor in anything on Washington U's ftp or Web servers. Thanks for your help, Jeff From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 03:42:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10976; Wed, 3 Jan 96 03:42:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12624; Wed, 3 Jan 96 01:14:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12618; Wed, 3 Jan 96 01:14:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXPCu-00038EC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 01:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Killfiles in mail Date: 3 Jan 1996 04:47:50 GMT Message-Id: <4cd1pm$5gn@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu> <4c89pi$vs7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article , Russ Allbery wrote: >In news.admin.misc, Trey Harris writes: >> I personally believe that killfiling an >> individual's email is crass and tactless, the equivalent of totally >> ignoring someone you know when you meet in person. > >You are fortunate to not have encountered some of the people I have sending >me e-mail. I hope you will remain so fortunate. Perhaps. Note I did say "individuals." When you say "people", do you mean the same? I have been forced to killfile mail from some of these advertising groups, especially those that routinely send all mail from an unreplyable address. My usual method of dealing with these, to contact postmaster at their address and postmaster at whichever site InterNIC says is giving them access, works less and less frequently these days -- I guess these assholes are getting more and more savvy about how to avoid proper netiquette (and accountability) entirely. But in most cases, email I don't want to receive can be split into two camps: harrassing email with no content (I consider unsolicited adverts to fall into this class), and email with content I don't want to read. In the first case, I feel comfortable killfiling the address, provided that the address is not one of my users. A mailbomb is an example that I think is beyond question. But in the second case, I have difficulty just shutting the person up. In my judgment, I don't want to hear what they have to say -- now. But what if that person needs to tell me about a security problem involving my site, or tell me some equally legitimate item? In the past month, I've had to deal with two of my users who accidentally broke a rule on two sites (MUDs, or BBS's or something). Neither had any malice at heart, they were just new to the net and computers in general and didn't know better. After they broke these rules, the operators -- I hesitate to call them "administrators" -- of both sites took the same action and banned our entire site (with over 27,000 users!). In one case, the user contacted me, and I contacted the operator and explained what was going on. The operator apologized for the misunderstanding, explained that the mistake my user made looked like a common way some users caused mischief on her site, and opened access back to our site. I warned my user to read all the helpfiles available on an unfamiliar site before gallavanting around it, and that was the end of the story. The other case wasn't so rosy. This user didn't come to me, instead he took matters into his own hands, and started sending very nasty email to the operator of the site. The operator killfiled him. He got one of his friends -- another undergraduate -- to send the operator email complaining. The operator killfiled her, as well. Even then the user didn't come to me. Instead, I had to learn about it through the complaints of twenty or so of my users for whom this was a favorite site. I did some investigating and learned the above story. As far as I was concerned, my user had behaved inappropriately and I was not going to go to bat for him. However, my other users had done nothing wrong, and to shut off access to potentially 27,000 people because of the actions of one seemed a bit rash. I assumed the operator simply did not know that my site had so many users. Perhaps I could convince the operator that disabling the user instead of the site was a better way to handle this. I sent the operator email, and was frustrated to learn that he had killfiled not just the two people who had sent him harassing email, not just my entire site, but the entire unc.edu domain! I had to pass email through a third party -- the postmaster of the operator's domain -- just to get the killfile released. (I suppose, given this inauspicious beginning, I should have seen it coming, but I was surprised when the operator chose not to follow my suggestion. He kept reciting, almost like a mantra, "It's my site, I'll do what I want. Maybe I made a mistake, but I'm not going to change it because it's my site, I'll do what I want..." Even after I informed him that my user would be disciplined for the harrassing mail, he maintained his ban on my site.) So what am I trying to say with these stories? That only s.o.b.'s killfile people? No; rather, my job -- the job of *communication* -- was made ridiculously difficult because some idiot decided that he was better than me, better than anyone at my site, and would have nothing to do with anything any of us had to say. As far as I'm concerned, the benefit gained from establishing killfiles against an individual's email is close to nil. The costs are much greater. I'm afraid setting up killfiles for mail from individuals -- real people -- feels to me like the king granting audience only to the worthy. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris/ System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 03:21:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15696; Wed, 3 Jan 96 03:21:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14617; Wed, 3 Jan 96 03:14:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14611; Wed, 3 Jan 96 03:14:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXR5P-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 03:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Russ Allbery Subject: Re: Killfiles in mail Date: 03 Jan 1996 01:38:43 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu> In-Reply-To: harris@email.unc.edu's message of 3 Jan 1996 04:47:50 GMT Status: O X-Status: In news.admin.misc, Trey Harris writes: > Perhaps. Note I did say "individuals." When you say "people", do you > mean the same? I have been forced to killfile mail from some of these > advertising groups, especially those that routinely send all mail from an > unreplyable address. My usual method of dealing with these, to contact > postmaster at their address and postmaster at whichever site InterNIC says > is giving them access, works less and less frequently these days -- I > guess these assholes are getting more and more savvy about how to avoid > proper netiquette (and accountability) entirely. Yes, I do mean individuals; I haven't killfiled any advertising groups in mail simply because I rarely seem to receive mail from the same source twice. The situation that I encounter is that I killfile someone in news who is being abusive, blatently off-topic, or otherwise is not producing anything I am interested in reading, and said person (apparently figuring out that they are in my killfile in news) starts responding to various postings I make (not in response to him) in e-mail. The e-mail has the same complete lack of content and abusive language as the posts, so I killfile him in e-mail as well. In this case, I do not consider complaining to the person's postmaster to be appropriate. I firmly believe that if I post to Usenet, anyone is entitled to send me an e-mail response to my post. There is simply no guarantee that I'm going to read that e-mail. People also can be abusive if they wish; I just don't have to listen to it. > But in most cases, email I don't want to receive can be split into two > camps: harrassing email with no content (I consider unsolicited adverts > to fall into this class), and email with content I don't want to read. I wouldn't killfile e-mail just because I don't like what the person is saying. In that case, the e-mail is almost always a response to a post of mine, and I'll respond with a short message saying that I have no desire to discuss the issue via private e-mail, and that I would prefer that they post. I may ignore further e-mail on the same subject, but I wouldn't killfile them for that. I have been known to killfile in mail people who insist on sending me copies of any followup they make to my posts without marking the e-mail copy as a copy. (Insist meaning that they do it repeatedly with full knowledge of my preferences.) I consider that harassment without meaningful content (since the content is redundant). Note that I said "without marking the e-mail copy as a copy." I prefer not to receive e-mailed copies at all, but if it's marked as a copy, it's only a minor annoyance. > But what if that person needs to tell me about a security problem > involving my site, or tell me some equally legitimate item? I should point out that my incoming mail is split according to which address the mail was sent to, and administrative mail or any mail sent to a work address is not subjected to any form of score file. That means that even people I am ignoring entirely will still be able to reach me if it is a work-related matter, unless they incorrectly send me work mail to my personal e-mail address (this one). > So what am I trying to say with these stories? That only s.o.b.'s > killfile people? No; rather, my job -- the job of *communication* -- > was made ridiculously difficult because some idiot decided that he was > better than me, better than anyone at my site, and would have nothing to > do with anything any of us had to say. Yes, I agree there, which is why I always maintain a separate address that isn't subjected to any form of killfiles so that people with these kinds of issues can reach me. I don't advertise it in my .sig, since I would prefer not to receive responses to newsgroup posts at that address, but it is publically available from various obvious locations, so I have no doubt that someone such as yourself would be able to find it with little trouble. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 03:27:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17756; Wed, 3 Jan 96 03:27:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13778; Wed, 3 Jan 96 04:29:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13772; Wed, 3 Jan 96 04:29:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXSH4-00038EC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 04:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ray DeJean Subject: Re: Filtering Mail Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 05:16:12 CDT References: <4cc5jt$5m8@driene.student.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: <4cc5jt$5m8@driene.student.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jan 1996, Remco van de Meent wrote: > Gregory J. Hickel (gjhickel@server.wulaw.wustl.edu) wrote on Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:35:17 -0600: > > The help file on Unix Pine mentions using an external program to filter > > your mail. Could someone please direct me to these? Thanks! > > > > Ehmmmmmmmmm, so I'm _not_ the only one looking for this information.... > > please mail me if you get responses... Um, i don't think pine can filter mail by itself. If i'm wrong, someone please correct me, but show us how to do it! :) I believe the external program on unix is called procmail. i've never used it though...soooo...check out the mail filtering FAQ. it has pretty complete instructions on procmail, and some other external programs... http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html Later, Ray rdejean@selu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 12:12:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19152; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:12:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16485; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:09:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16479; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:09:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXSrv-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Christoph Krempe Subject: linux and pine Date: 3 Jan 1996 12:47:24 GMT Message-Id: <4cdtss$r5k@fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: I got some problem when I try to access my linux-mailserver via "open INBOX folder". The connection is refused with the message "Cant't open ,143 Refused (10061)". As I know, 143 is the port adress of the imap-service, described in the file /etc/services. If I try to connect to another mailserver on the campus it works, allthough it has the same port adress. Thanks for help Christoph Krempe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 12:38:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19482; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:38:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16922; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:44:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16916; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:44:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXTT1-00038EC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pwalsh@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Patrick Walsh) Subject: "Direct Talk Connection"??? Date: 3 Jan 1996 13:14:56 GMT Message-Id: <4cdvgg$1t9g@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Status: O X-Status: (My first posting; let's see if I can get the body of my article included this time!) Is there such a thing as 'direct talk connection' in Pine? If so, how does one establish it? Thanks- P. Walsh From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 12:44:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19567; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:44:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14871; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:44:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14863; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:44:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXTQd-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pwalsh@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Patrick Walsh) Subject: "Direct Talk Connection"??? Date: 3 Jan 1996 13:03:15 GMT Message-Id: <4cduqj$1t9g@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 12:44:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19595; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:44:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14881; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:44:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rasi.lr.ttu.ee by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14862; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:44:40 -0800 Received: (from ksereda@localhost) by rasi.lr.ttu.ee (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA30759; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:34:56 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:34:53 +0200 (EET) From: Kirill Sereda To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Kirill Sereda Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi! First off all I am terrible sorry for my English. I live in Tallinn, it is the capital of Etonia and now I am studying at Tallinn Technical University. Please send me Pine Frequently Asked Question list. Also I want to ask you about one problem I've got. Now I am writing my final university work and the topic is "ISDN". If you can inorm me about information sourses I'll realy apprishiate it.Thank you! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 13:23:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20599; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:23:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15400; Wed, 3 Jan 96 06:17:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15394; Wed, 3 Jan 96 06:17:37 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:11:39 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id OAA00279; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:14:09 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:14:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Patrick Walsh Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: "Direct Talk Connection"??? In-Reply-To: <4cdvgg$1t9g@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: If you mean "is there a way that I can persuade Pine to send characters from my keyboard as I type them to someone else's screen and vice versa" then the answer is "No". Pine is a message handling program for reading and sending electronic mail messages and Usenet News articles. For immediate two-way interactive "talking" you want to look at the "talk" or "ytalk" programs, or (possibly) an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) program. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 3 Jan 1996, Patrick Walsh wrote: > (My first posting; let's see if I can get the body of my article included > this time!) > > Is there such a thing as 'direct talk connection' in Pine? > > If so, how does one establish it? > > Thanks- > > P. Walsh > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 13:08:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22035; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:08:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16334; Wed, 3 Jan 96 07:14:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16328; Wed, 3 Jan 96 07:14:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXUts-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 07:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Philip Plant Subject: Pine for Vax/VMS Date: 3 Jan 1996 14:26:15 GMT Message-Id: <4ce3m7$m9h@yama.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hi folks, I'd just like to say thanks to everyone who replied to my plea for help with installing VMS Pine - the advice was greatly appreciated! Actually though, there is just one leetle problem I still have... Well actually it's a rather big one really, I've set the folder-collections variable to: [MYDIR.MAIL][] which is accepted at startup, but whenever pine tries to r/w to any folder except INBOX it bombs out with 'Pine internal error' . I've tried variations on this, but no luck. And if the variable is left undefined, I get: Folder "sent-mail" in doesn't exist. Create? And naturally it can't create it if I say yes. If anyone could give me a hand with this one I'd be really grateful! Thanks, Philip Plant, Computer Officer Silsoe College. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 13:54:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23677; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:54:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19102; Wed, 3 Jan 96 07:59:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19096; Wed, 3 Jan 96 07:59:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXVYW-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 07:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Philip Plant Subject: cmsg cancel <4ce3m7$m9h@yama.ac.uk> Control: cancel <4ce3m7$m9h@yama.ac.uk> Date: 3 Jan 1996 15:48:18 GMT Message-Id: <4ce8g2$sg2@yama.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Control: cancel <4ce3m7$m9h@yama.ac.uk> This is a test of the 'cancel message' posting sent out earlier. If this message arrives in the newsgroup, then I guess it doesn't work. Philip. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 10:44:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24308; Wed, 3 Jan 96 10:44:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19292; Wed, 3 Jan 96 08:07:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [200.1.244.43] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19286; Wed, 3 Jan 96 08:07:27 -0800 Received: (from nalt@localhost) by petrus.ub.edu.ar (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01053; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:03:07 -0300 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:03:07 -0300 (GMT-0300) From: "Norberto H. Altalef" To: PINE Info Mailing List Subject: Re: Message-Id header In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Let me do an aclaration on this subject. In order to simplify the administration, I have configure "sendmail" to hide the hostname in the mail address, so that an address of the form "name@host.domain" becomes "name@domain". But, the hostname still appears in the last part of the Message-ID header. I didn't find any way configuring sendmail or pine, to change it, to a form coherent with the mail address. (Sorry, but I'm not trying to forge the headers nor obscure the origin of a message). I will appreciate very much if someone could give me some help on this. > On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: > In article , > Ed Greshko wrote: > > >On 31 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: > > > >> nalt@ub.edu.ar ("Norberto H. Altalef") wrote: > >> > >> >I'm interested in hide the host name from it. > >> > >> What, tell you how to forge Message-ID headers so you can be a dickweed and > >> spam Usenet? Hah! Fuck off. > > > > Some people feel that to reveal their hostname can result in > >security problems. Their intentions are not as you cite. > > Those people are nimrods. Obscuring the origin of a message is a > security risk in its own right. Besides, if the nature of your > organization is so sensitive that even revealing the name of a > machine within it is dangerous, then simply removing it from the > Message-ID is not a sufficient solution. Post from a different > system. > > >In any case > >your use of profane language is inappropriate. > > Crap. > Many thanks Norberto Altalef From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 09:08:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26812; Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:08:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18720; Wed, 3 Jan 96 08:55:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18714; Wed, 3 Jan 96 08:55:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXWPn-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 08:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: BCC problem Date: 3 Jan 96 15:41:07 GMT Message-Id: References: <4ccr6k$p2q@netaxs.com> Status: O X-Status: jurist@netaxs.com (Jurist Inc.) writes: >Has anyone noticed that if you BCC someone, it tells the main receipient >of the message that you have done so? This doesn't sound like correct >behavior. I have heard in the past that under some circumstances pine will reveal something about bcc's, but I have never been able to catch it. Could you please document this more fully so I can warn my users about the problem. >email trevor@jurist.com -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 09:32:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27726; Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:32:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21525; Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:20:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21519; Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:20:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXWnh-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ernie Bailey Subject: Pine Distribution Lists Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:12:36 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am looking for some expertise in the area of mail distribution lists for pine. I would like all users of the system to be able to use these lists. I would also not like to have a To: field that is a quater of a mile long. Anyone with suggestions? Ernie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 09:50:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28603; Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:50:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21980; Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:36:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [129.179.17.11] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21974; Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:36:21 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 4 Jan 96 01:35:58 +0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:35:58 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: "R. Stewart Ellis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BCC problem In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 3 Jan 1996, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > jurist@netaxs.com (Jurist Inc.) writes: > > >Has anyone noticed that if you BCC someone, it tells the main receipient > >of the message that you have done so? This doesn't sound like correct > >behavior. > > I have heard in the past that under some circumstances pine will reveal > something about bcc's, but I have never been able to catch it. Could you > please document this more fully so I can warn my users about the problem. > > >email trevor@jurist.com If memory serves me correctly I don't think it is a pine issue but is sendmailism. If you construct an email message with only a bcc the receipients will get a message with an "Apparently-To:" header that "reveals" all the receipients. Not all versions of sendmail cause this behaviour....if memory serves me correctly. Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 11:25:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03428; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:25:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23034; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:20:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23020; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:20:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXYiY-00038IC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aiyar@biocserver.BIOC.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: linux and pine Date: 3 Jan 1996 18:30:44 GMT Message-Id: References: <4cdtss$r5k@fu-berlin.de> Status: O X-Status: On 3 Jan 1996 12:47:24 GMT, Christoph Krempe wrote: >I got some problem when I try to access my linux-mailserver via "open >INBOX folder". The connection is refused with the message >"Cant't open ,143 Refused (10061)". As I know, 143 is the port >adress of the imap-service, described in the file /etc/services. If I try >to connect to another mailserver on the campus it works, allthough it has >the same port adress. Are you running an IMAP daemon on the "linux-mailserver"? If you are not, imapd source code can be found with the rest of the Pine distribution from ftp.cac.washington.edu. It compiles and works under Linux without complaint. Later, Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar http://biocserver.bioc.cwru.edu/pp/aiyar/aiyar.html -- "... freedom ... is a worship word..." "It is our worship word too." -- Cloud William and Kirk, "The Omega Glory", stardate unknown From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 11:25:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03468; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:25:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25121; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:20:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25115; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:20:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXYiY-00038HC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pixel@cclabs.missouri.edu (James Cooper) Subject: locking folders w/procmail Date: 3 Jan 1996 18:08:48 GMT Message-Id: <4cegng$fsi@news.missouri.edu> Status: O X-Status: I'm using procmail to sort my mail with pine, and it's working fine. However, as the procmail FAQ warns, I invalidate my INBOX if I delete a message from it while procmail is delivering a new piece of mail. The FAQ advises implementing a file locking scheme, but then doesn't explain how. Has anyone done this sucessfully? My system is using NFS on IRIX 5.3, so I'm not sure if flock() works successfully in this environment. Any help appreciated.. -- James -- ......................................................................... James Paul Cooper * Pixel MU College of Education pixel@coe.missouri.edu - http://tiger.coe.missouri.edu/~pixel/ ......................................................................... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 11:27:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03586; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:27:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23016; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:20:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23010; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:20:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXYiX-00038EC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sinners@netcom.com (Steve Inners) Subject: Please help: Pine Panic Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:40:57 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am attempting to run Pine 3.91 on an AT&T Unix 3.2.2 system. I have been successful in utilizing SCO binaries for many other applications and O/S utilities on this system. However, the SCO binary of Pine does not seem to be so cooperative. I have tried getting information to locate a binary specifically for this platform, but have gotten no responses :( ... I must assume no such binary exists. I have no development capabilities on this platform either (no compiler). So ... here is the problem specifically. I run the Pine binary and get to a main menu. The Inbox begins to open and I get a beep. The Pine session then ends with an error: Pine Panic: Select error: Invalid arguement It tries to write out to //.pine-crash .. but fails to do so. The .pinerc file never gets created either .... although it will read it if I create one for it. There are some other pinerc files that are created, but appear to be more like temporary files .... pinerca006610 and pinerc006610 are two examples. I have tried to set the "set uid" and "set gid" bits to correct the error of being unable to write to //.pinerc .. no luck. I can substitute various AT&T binaries for their SCO equivelant .. if I knew where to start .. the entire mmdf and mailx systems are already the SCO binaries! Regular mail works well BTW. Here is the pine debug file from level 9 debugging ... if it helps to point me in the right direction. TIA! ============ pine-debug1 (level 9) ================================= Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 9). Version 3.91 Wed Jan 3 10:23:16 1996 reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" Open failed: No such file or directory reading_pinerc "//.pinerc" Open failed: No such file or directory reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed" Open failed: No such file or directory set_current_val(var num=5, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=2, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=27, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=36, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=28, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=29, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=30, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=31, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=33, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=34, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=9, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=10, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=12, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=25, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=26, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=3, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=smtp-server set_current_val(var num=18, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=default-composer-hdrs set_current_val(var num=19, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=customized-hdrs set_current_val(var num=37, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=38, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=13, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=24, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=14, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=global-address-book set_current_val(var num=15, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=address-book counted 1 items set_current_val(var num=4, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=nntp-server set_current_val(var num=32, expand=1, cmdline=1) write_pinerc: personal-name = write_pinerc: user-domain = write_pinerc: smtp-server = write_pinerc: nntp-server = write_pinerc: inbox-path = write_pinerc: incoming-folders = write_pinerc: folder-collections = write_pinerc: news-collections = write_pinerc: default-fcc = write_pinerc: postponed-folder = write_pinerc: read-message-folder = write_pinerc: signature-file = write_pinerc: global-address-book = write_pinerc: address-book = write_pinerc: feature-list = write_pinerc: initial-keystroke-list = write_pinerc: default-composer-hdrs = write_pinerc: customized-hdrs = write_pinerc: saved-msg-name-rule = write_pinerc: fcc-name-rule = write_pinerc: sort-key = write_pinerc: addrbook-sort-rule = write_pinerc: character-set = write_pinerc: editor = write_pinerc: image-viewer = write_pinerc: use-only-domain-name = write_pinerc: printer = write_pinerc: personal-print-command = write_pinerc: last-time-prune-questioned = write_pinerc: last-version-used = 3.91 q_status_message, Count 1, "Error saving configuration in file "//.pinerc": Invalid argument" Error writing //.pinerc : Invalid argument set_current_val(var num=35, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=41, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=11, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=6, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=incoming-folders set_current_val(var num=8, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=news-collections set_current_val(var num=7, expand=1, cmdline=1) is_list: name=folder-collections set_current_val(var num=22, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=20, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=21, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=23, expand=1, cmdline=1) set_current_val(var num=17, expand=0, cmdline=1) is_list: name=initial-keystroke-list ======= Current_val options set ======= inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : ppnd-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (//.pinerc) ======= last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : ppnd-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd no-enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd no-enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders no-enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue no-enable-suspend no-enable-tab-completion no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks no-expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order no-preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys Userid: root Fullname: "0000-Admin(0000)" User domain name being used "" Local Domain name being used "unix" Host name being used "unix" Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"unix" write_pinerc: personal-name = write_pinerc: user-domain = write_pinerc: smtp-server = write_pinerc: nntp-server = write_pinerc: inbox-path = write_pinerc: incoming-folders = write_pinerc: folder-collections = write_pinerc: news-collections = write_pinerc: default-fcc = write_pinerc: postponed-folder = write_pinerc: read-message-folder = write_pinerc: signature-file = write_pinerc: global-address-book = write_pinerc: address-book = write_pinerc: feature-list = write_pinerc: initial-keystroke-list = write_pinerc: default-composer-hdrs = write_pinerc: customized-hdrs = write_pinerc: saved-msg-name-rule = write_pinerc: fcc-name-rule = write_pinerc: sort-key = write_pinerc: addrbook-sort-rule = write_pinerc: character-set = write_pinerc: editor = write_pinerc: image-viewer = write_pinerc: use-only-domain-name = write_pinerc: printer = write_pinerc: personal-print-command = write_pinerc: last-time-prune-questioned = write_pinerc: last-version-used = 3.91 q_status_message, Count 2, "Error saving configuration in file "//.pinerc": Invalid argument" Error writing //.pinerc : Invalid argument Context mail/[] type: LOCAL Terminal type: ansi Scroll mode: InsertDelete Context mail/[] type: LOCAL ***** context mail/[] LABEL: mail/[] 1) inbox set_titlebar - style: 0 current message cnt:1 current_pl: 0 total_pl: 0 comatose(0) returns:0 Y [Yes] 0 1 N No 0 2 (null) (null) 14 3 (null) (null) 14 4 (null) (null) 27 5 (null) (null) 27 6 (null) (null) 41 7 (null) (null) 41 8 (null) (null) 55 9 (null) (null) 55 10 (null) (null) 69 11 (null) (null) 69 row: -2, real_row: 23, column: 0 Select readfds:1 timeval:0,0 Select on tty returned -1 end_screen called about to end_tty_driver end_signals(1) Pine Panic: Select error: Invalid argument save_debug_on_crash: Version 3.91: debug level 9 : Wed Jan 3 10:23:23 1996 Attempting to save debug file to //.pine-crash -- -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### I brew, therefore I am. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 12:51:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08162; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:51:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27892; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:45:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27886; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:45:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXa2O-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine clips first 2 characters of folder names. Ideas? Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:46:04 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4cbnfu$t25@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 3 Jan 1996, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > >You lucky person. You must be running Solaris. You need to rebuild Pine, > >but first in the Makefile set "cc" to be "ucbcc" (which, in spite of the > >name, is the compiler that you use to compile SVR4 compliant programs). > > This is very bad advice. > > It is best to completely avoid ucbcc. The specific symptom reported is the > result of confounding includes and libs between the standard SVR4 > environment and the incompletely and improperly done "bsd src compat" cruft. > > A properly configed and compiled Solaris program does not need any of the > crap that ucbcc contaminates things with. > > Everyone who compiles things for SunOS 5.x should get a copy of the "Solaris > Porting FAQ" from the FAQ place. Uh, excuse me. ucbcc *is* the standard SVR4 compiler. In spite of the name, it has nothing to do with BSD source compatibility. The name is a link to something like /opt/SUNWspro/SC3.0.1/bin/acc Depending upon how the system was installed, "cc" runs either ucbcc or the BSD source compatibility compiler, which often is a script such as cc5 that specifies all the BSD libraries. Pine *is* "properly configured" for SVR4 on Solaris. The problem is getting it to compile right. And the only way to do that is to avoid using "cc", which has unpredictable results, and invoke the compiler by a name that is not going to include the BSD libraries. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 13:09:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09481; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:09:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26752; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:05:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26746; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:05:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXaKg-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stf@altair.com (Steve Ferguson) Subject: Re: BCC problem Date: 3 Jan 1996 20:15:31 GMT Message-Id: <4ceo53$dn8@frankensun.altair.com> References: Status: O X-Status: On 3 Jan 1996 09:49:21 -0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > If memory serves me correctly I don't think it is a pine issue > but is sendmailism. If you construct an email message with only a bcc > the receipients will get a message with an "Apparently-To:" header that > "reveals" all the receipients. Not all versions of sendmail cause this > behaviour....if memory serves me correctly. You're right, it's a sendmail-ism. If you construct a message that isn't actually *to* anybody (with no To: line), some versions of sendmail will tack on the 'Apparently To:' bit from your bcc:. Of course, I question the sanity of anyone sending out totally blind messages with no To: (at least a group name or some such would seem in order). :-) -- ============================================================================= Steve Ferguson | Altair Engineering/Altair Computing Systems Analyst | Troy, Michigan 48084 USA stf@altair.com | (810)614-2400 x297 ============================================================================= Back-up: Current data errors that have been saved for future use. Crash: A normal termination. Loop: See Loop. Password: The nonsense word taped to your terminal. ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 13:11:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09686; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:11:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28678; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:05:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28672; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:05:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXaLF-00038EC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stf@altair.com (Steve Ferguson) Subject: Re: Filtering Mail Date: 3 Jan 1996 20:12:41 GMT Message-Id: <4cenvp$dn8@frankensun.altair.com> References: <4cc5jt$5m8@driene.student.utwente.nl> Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jan 1996 20:46:53 GMT, Remco van de Meent wrote: > Gregory J. Hickel (gjhickel@server.wulaw.wustl.edu) wrote on Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:35:17 -0600: > > The help file on Unix Pine mentions using an external program to filter > > your mail. Could someone please direct me to these? Thanks! > > > Ehmmmmmmmmm, so I'm _not_ the only one looking for this information.... It's referring to other programs, run independently of pine. Procmail is one, filter is another. On most UNIX systems, you can create a .forward file on your mail server and set it up to forward your mail to a program which divides your mail into separate boxes (or takes a variety of other definable actions) depending on various criteria in your incoming mail. For more information, run a gopher or archie search on 'procmail' and you'll surely find what you want. -- ============================================================================= Steve Ferguson | Altair Engineering/Altair Computing Systems Analyst | Troy, Michigan 48084 USA stf@altair.com | (810)614-2400 x297 ============================================================================= Back-up: Current data errors that have been saved for future use. Crash: A normal termination. Loop: See Loop. Password: The nonsense word taped to your terminal. ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 13:19:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10094; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:19:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27054; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:15:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27048; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:15:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXaVq-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stf@altair.com (Steve Ferguson) Subject: Re: Pine clips first 2 characters of folder names. Ideas? Date: 3 Jan 1996 20:25:40 GMT Message-Id: <4ceoo4$dn8@frankensun.altair.com> References: <4cbnfu$t25@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:46:04 -0800, Mark Crispin wrote: > > Everyone who compiles things for SunOS 5.x should get a copy of the "Solaris > > Porting FAQ" from the FAQ place. > Uh, excuse me. > ucbcc *is* the standard SVR4 compiler. In spite of the name, it has > nothing to do with BSD source compatibility. The name is a link to > something like /opt/SUNWspro/SC3.0.1/bin/acc Uh, no. You're wrong. ucbcc is a link to acc in the SparcWorks distribution. cc is a completely separate (and *MUCH* smaller) binary. >From the acc man page: acc (SPARC only) is not intended to be used directly on ^^^ Solaris 2.x. The sole purpose for making it available on Solaris 2.x is to enable /usr/ucb/cc. The package SUNWscpu must be installed to use this. The options for /usr/ucb/cc are the same as for acc and are described here. > Depending upon how the system was installed, "cc" runs either ucbcc or the > BSD source compatibility compiler, which often is a script such as cc5 > that specifies all the BSD libraries. The cc in /usr/ucb is also wrong, because it adds /usr/ucblib to the LD_RUN_PATH. This contains BSD libraries. The only correct way to run the SparcWorks compiler is to have the particular path it was installed in in your path. From the 'real' cc man page: The cc(1) manual page describes the ANSI C compiler options that are SVID compliant under Solaris 2.x. cc uses getopt to parse command line options. Options are treated as a single letter or as a single letter followed by an argument. See getopt(3c). However, Pine *is* properly configured for Solaris. The original poster's administrator, on the other hand, is not. :-) -- ============================================================================= Steve Ferguson | Altair Engineering/Altair Computing Systems Analyst | Troy, Michigan 48084 USA stf@altair.com | (810)614-2400 x297 ============================================================================= Back-up: Current data errors that have been saved for future use. Crash: A normal termination. Loop: See Loop. Password: The nonsense word taped to your terminal. ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 13:36:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10941; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:36:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29478; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:30:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29472; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:30:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXah7-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Svante Kleist Subject: Re: Pine and POP3 Date: 3 Jan 1996 20:08:01 GMT Message-Id: <4cenn1$dje@news.pi.se> References: <4bhrb9$r5k@nntp3.news.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Bob Nielsen wrote: >I saw some messages recently about using Pine with POP3. Pine won't directly >talk to a pop server Indeed he does talk POP3 directly to the POP3 server. Enter "{your.pop.server/pop3}INBOX" in SETUP -> CONFIG -> inbox-path Works fine for me in PINE 3.91 under Linux. B T W: Is there no later version than 3.91? /Svante Kleist From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 13:58:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11696; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:58:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28092; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:49:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28063; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:49:06 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20843 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:49:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:45:26 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: Marshall Hollister-Jones Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Crashes on Sco In-Reply-To: <30EA3D92.844@enternet.co.nz> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Marshall Hollister-Jones wrote: > I've installed a pine 3.91 binary compiled for Sco on SCO 3.2v4.2. > It runs fine from the console or a dial-up PC emulating Wuse60 but > crashes on ANY of our terminals (mix of tvi925, wyse60, wyse120). > Here is the last few lines of debug output on each occasion: > [log deleted...] > Clearly there is an error with "Select on tty" but what does this > mean and how do I fix it? I wondered about hand-shaking as our > terminals use Xon/Xoff. Also we don't have tcp/ip. We use Pine on all SCO versions exept Xenix (until now) with success. If you have difficulty's with terminals, checkout the terminfo-file first, look for the correct value of cursorkeys to be filled in. In case the cursorkeys are not working, you can allways use F(orward), B(ackward), P(revious), N(ext) and so on. On a system _without_ TCP/IP we use a (dirty) trick: make a link from /dev/null to /dev/socksys :-) we use Pine there as MUA only. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 14:06:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12209; Wed, 3 Jan 96 14:06:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28543; Wed, 3 Jan 96 14:00:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28537; Wed, 3 Jan 96 14:00:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXbCv-00038HC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flavell@vxcern.cern.ch (Alan J. Flavell) Subject: Re: Pine for Vax/VMS Message-Id: References: <4ce3m7$m9h@yama.mcc.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:46:09 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <4ce3m7$m9h@yama.mcc.ac.uk>, Philip Plant writes: > just one leetle problem I still have... Well actually it's a rather big one really, >I've set the folder-collections variable to: [MYDIR.MAIL][] which is >accepted at >startup, but whenever pine tries to r/w to any folder except INBOX it >bombs out with >'Pine internal error' . I've tried variations on this, but no >luck. And if >the variable is left undefined, I get: > >Folder "sent-mail" in doesn't exist. Create? > >And naturally it can't create it if I say yes. You may have overlooked it in the morass of WWW writeup that I pointed you to at http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/%7Eflavell/vms-pine.html, but there are several configuration fields that you have to get just exactly right - this VMS port of PINE does not support other values. Your symptom looks to me like you still have the default Fcc: configured. This does not work and you must turn it off. The work-around is to add a "customized header" of BCC: to your own email address, assuming that you want to keep a copy of your sent mail. I'd suggest go over my writeup again and get the settings to the ones that I list there. Hope that helps. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 15:10:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15315; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:10:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02463; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:05:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02457; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:05:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXcDH-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike O'Connor Message-Id: <960103215235.AA12568@dojo> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:52:35 GMT Subject: Is "cc:" any more or less valid than "Cc:" or "CC:"? Status: O X-Status: I'm running into a situation where I THINK a particular MUA -- let's call it "pine 3.91" -- emits "cc:" headers that don't get processed by the metoo functionality of an MTA which shall be known as "smail 3.1.29". Is "cc:" any more or less valid than "Cc:" or "CC:" or something which starts with a capital letter? My reading of RFC 822 says that "cc:" is quite valid -- is it possibly deprecated in some later RFC? ...Mike -- Michael J. O'Connor Internet: mjo@dojo.mi.org InterNIC WHOIS: MJO http://www.coast.net/~mjo "The longer you wait for the mail, the less there is in it." -Calvin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 15:26:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15892; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:26:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01176; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:20:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01170; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:20:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXcSE-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tbordia@freenet.scri.fsu.edu (Luis Montenegro) Subject: Folder in PINE 3.91 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 17:24:32 GMT Message-Id: <4cee6b$f8f@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hello. I created a folder "x" in PINE but I don't know how to leave messages in that folder or how to transfer messages to that folder. Thank you for your help, Luis. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 15:33:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16154; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:33:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03099; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:30:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03093; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:30:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXccx-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: elynk@Capital.Net (Edgar Lynk) Subject: How move .addressbook between providers? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:00:37 GMT Status: O X-Status: Recently I changed providers and wanted to use my collection of email addresses at the new site. However, the new provider's Pine (same version as at old site) would not accept the old .addressbook from the old provider. Addresses were not properly placed in the correct columnar format. I transferred .address- book to/from my PC with sz/rz. Is it possible that some control characters were affected? Any suggestions? Thanks, ET From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 15:35:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16307; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:35:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01468; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:30:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01462; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:30:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXccy-00038EC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bwrob%bwrob@smartt.com (root) Subject: Lenght of posting in pine? Date: 3 Jan 1996 22:41:41 GMT Message-Id: <4cf0n5$rnv@ktk2.smartt.com> Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 16:48:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19620; Wed, 3 Jan 96 16:48:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05035; Wed, 3 Jan 96 16:46:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05029; Wed, 3 Jan 96 16:45:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXdkb-00038CC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 16:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ahuber@csulb.edu (Adam Huber) Subject: Talk-How do I backspace??? Date: 3 Jan 1996 23:36:07 GMT Message-Id: <4cf3t7$l41@garuda.csulb.edu> Status: O X-Status: When I am "talking" to someone on the system, the backspace does not work properly. Instead of backspacing like it normally does when I use Pine, it gives me some garbage like ^[O . I am using Mac Kermit 0.991 on a Quadra 610, but it does the same thing on my 386 at home using Windows for Workgroup's Terminal program. Other computers I have used on campus actually backspace when you are "talking" and type the Backspace key, so I know it is possible. I am thinking it has something to do with key assignment. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Adam Huber Student California State University Long Beach Internet Address: ahuber@csulb.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 17:04:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20752; Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:04:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05437; Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:01:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from teco01a.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05429; Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:01:50 -0800 Received: from teco10a by teco01a.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de (8.6.12) id BAA19407; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:59:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 02:01:27 +0100 (MET) From: Gerhard Heijenga X-Sender: heijenga@teco10a To: Remco van de Meent Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Filtering Mail In-Reply-To: <4cc5jt$5m8@driene.student.utwente.nl> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: at the www page http://www.jazzie.com/ii/faqs/groups/comp/mail/pine/ you can find some interesting comments obout filtering with pine. - pine itself does not filter mail. you need procmail or filter or ... happy new year ___________________________________________________________________________________ Gerhard Heijenga eMail: heijenga@teco.uni-karlsruhe.de Veilchenstr. 9 76131 Karlsruhe Tel./Fax: 0721-617906 On 2 Jan 1996, Remco van de Meent wrote: > Gregory J. Hickel (gjhickel@server.wulaw.wustl.edu) wrote on Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:35:17 -0600: > > The help file on Unix Pine mentions using an external program to filter > > your mail. Could someone please direct me to these? Thanks! > > > > Ehmmmmmmmmm, so I'm _not_ the only one looking for this information.... > > please mail me if you get responses... > > thanx > > -- > Remco van de Meent. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 17:38:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22441; Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:38:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04980; Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:35:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hp_open.open.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04974; Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:35:45 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by hp_open.open.org (8.7/8.7) id RAA09085 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown(199.2.104.14) by hp_open.open.org via smap (V1.3) id sma009082; Wed Jan 3 17:33:00 1996 Message-Id: <30EB2F61.7026@open.org> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 17:37:37 -0800 From: Pete Ross Organization: Shades of Koi X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: BinHex4 (Help!) X-Url: http://peteross@opengovt.open.org/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: My Web Master sent me an executive file that I need to put my Home page into the server. But when I tried to run it from HotDog, the top of the file read: "You need BinHex40 to convert this file." I have been all over the Internet trying to find this file, for my IBM Pentium, but have been unable to find it. Can you help me? I really need this file. Sincerely; Pete Ross From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 3 19:01:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25187; Wed, 3 Jan 96 19:01:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08258; Wed, 3 Jan 96 18:59:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jaguar1.usouthal.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08252; Wed, 3 Jan 96 18:59:24 -0800 Received: by jaguar1.usouthal.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02312; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:04:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:04:43 -0600 (CST) From: Cha Chun Mok Subject: Re: BinHex4 (Help!) To: Pete Ross Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <30EB2F61.7026@open.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1 Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 00:45:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02145; Thu, 4 Jan 96 00:45:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12151; Thu, 4 Jan 96 00:42:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12143; Thu, 4 Jan 96 00:42:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXlCD-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 00:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: BinHex4 (Help!) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:31:18 -0800 Message-Id: References: <30EB2F61.7026@open.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <30EB2F61.7026@open.org> Status: O X-Status: On 3 Jan 1996, Pete Ross wrote: > My Web Master sent me an executive file that I need to put my Home page > into the server. But when I tried to run it from HotDog, the top of the > file read: "You need BinHex40 to convert this file." I have been all > over the Internet trying to find this file, for my IBM Pentium, but have > been unable to find it. Can you help me? I really need this file. BinHex 4.0 is a macintosh program. It is very old, and its function is duplicated in most expander utilities. You should either find a mac and use a program like Stuffit or Stuffit Expander to decond/uncompress the file and then write it onto a DOS disk, or try to find a version of Stuffit for the PC, which I think is now available. A binhexed file has ".hqx" tacked onto the end of the name. Perhaps you have already dealt with such files? Ian Ollmann From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 01:24:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03014; Thu, 4 Jan 96 01:24:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12677; Thu, 4 Jan 96 01:19:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [129.179.17.11] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12665; Thu, 4 Jan 96 01:19:08 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:18:41 +0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:18:40 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Pine Info Subject: Pine and NCSA Telnet on MAC Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I'm not a MACer....and I'm sure this has been answered before but I did not commit the answer to memory. A friend in Singapore is having trouble with pine on an HP machine to which he is connecting via NCSA's Telnet. He states: I have a few problems with the HP system. the most annoying is that fact that C does not cancel a message in pine or end a man session, but hangs my telnet window. The message I get is process interupted. So, the answer is???? Thanks, Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 03:43:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05667; Thu, 4 Jan 96 03:43:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14339; Thu, 4 Jan 96 03:24:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from obelix.unicamp.br by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14326; Thu, 4 Jan 96 03:23:52 -0800 Received: by obelix.unicamp.br (5.0/SMI-SVR4-DNI-8.0) id AA18025; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:23:40 -0200 From: fribeiro@obelix.unicamp.br (Fernando Souza Ribeiro - SCON - R.7520) Message-Id: <9601041123.AA18025@obelix.unicamp.br> Subject: Problem delivering mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:23:39 -0200 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 7740 Status: O X-Status: Hi, When I use PINE to send mail, my address is being defined as "fribeiro@obelix.obelix.unicamp.br" when the correct form would be "fribeiro@obelix.unicamp.br". How can I correct this ? Certainly, it is one of the options of the configuration module, isn't it ? But, there are so many ... :-) and no one so intuitive ... How can I set the correct form for all the users ? Thanks in advance. Fernando P.S : the problem doesn't happen when I use "ELM" or "mail -v" . I put below one .pine-debug1 example. I hope that it helps you : -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.91 Wed Jan 3 10:09:15 1996 reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" Open failed: No such file or directory reading_pinerc "/home/obelix/ccuec/conect/fribeiro/.pinerc" Read 5433 characters: reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed" Open failed: No such file or directory ======= Current_val options set ======= inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lp last-time-prune-ques : 95.9 last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/home/obelix/ccuec/conect/fribeiro/.pinerc) ======= last-time-prune-ques : 95.9 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lp bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd no-enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd no-enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders no-enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue no-enable-suspend no-enable-tab-completion no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks no-expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order no-preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys Userid: fribeiro Fullname: "Fernando Souza Ribeiro - SCON - R.7520" User domain name being used "" Local Domain name being used "obelix" Host name being used "obelix" Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"obelix" Context mail/[] type: LOCAL ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument Terminal type: vt100 Context mail/[] type: LOCAL About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" Opened folder "/var/mail/fribeiro" with 23 messages Sorting by Arrival Want_to read: y (121) Want_to read: y (121) IMAP 10:9 1/3 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/obelix/ccuec/conect/fribeiro/.pine-interrupted-mail - mailcap_free - ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- - mailcap_free - ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- IMAP 10:9 1/3 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/obelix/ccuec/conect/fribeiro/.pine-interrupted-mail === send called === ---- COMPOSER ---- - build_address - -- init_addrbooks(Closed, 0, 0, 1) -- - adrbk_open(.addressbook) - Address book .addressbook (.addressbook) opened with 0 items - adrbk_lookup_by_addr(fribeiro@turing.unicamp.br) (in /home/obelix/ccuec/conect/fribeiro/.addressbook) - - build_address - ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument === calling sendmail === done. Send SUCCESSFUL. To: fribeiro@turing.unicamp.br Subject: teste fribeiro via pine Message ID: - mailcap_free - ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- Want_to read: c (99) - mailcap_free - User domain name being used "" Local Domain name being used "obelix" Host name being used "obelix" Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"obelix" Want_to read: c (99) - mailcap_free - - mailcap_free - ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- IMAP 10:13 1/3 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/obelix/ccuec/conect/fribeiro/.pine-interrupted-mail === send called === ---- COMPOSER ---- - build_address - - adrbk_lookup_by_addr(fribeiro@turing.unicamp.br) (in /home/obelix/ccuec/conect/fribeiro/.addressbook) - - build_address - ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument === calling sendmail === done. Send SUCCESSFUL. To: fribeiro@turing.unicamp.br Subject: teste 2 fribeiro obelix Message ID: - mailcap_free - ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- HELPER ---- Helptext Failed open "/usr/local/lib/pine.info": "No such file or directory" Sorting by Arrival ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- done. ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- MAIL_CMD: going back to main menu - mailcap_free - ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- Want_to read: u (117) About to open folder "*{pine.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}updates" inbox: "INBOX" Close - saved inbox state: max 24 IMAP mm_notify NIL : *{pine.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}updates : ftp1.cac.washington.edu IMAP2bis Service 7.8(97) at Wed, 3 Jan 1996 04:17:26 -0800 (PST) Opened folder "*{pine.cac.washington.edu}updates" with 8 messages Sorting by Arrival ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- MAIL_CMD: going back to main menu - mailcap_free - ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- Want_to read: c (99) - mailcap_free - Want_to read: c (99) - mailcap_free - ---- REPORTING BUG ("Pine Developers" ) ---- Want_to read: (32) ---- QUIT SCREEN ---- Want_to read: y (121) expunge and close mail stream "*{pine.cac.washington.edu}updates" IMAP mm_notify bye : *{pine.cac.washington.edu}updates : ftp1.cac.washington.edu IMAP2bis server terminating connection expunge and close mail stream "/var/mail/fribeiro" about to end_tty_driver - completely_done_with_adrbks - - mailcap_free - From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 05:03:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08063; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:03:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15694; Thu, 4 Jan 96 04:42:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15688; Thu, 4 Jan 96 04:42:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXoxP-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 04:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sfg@tcp.co.uk (Doug Johnson) Subject: Re: How move .addressbook between providers? Date: 4 Jan 1996 11:43:39 GMT Message-Id: <4cgehb$jpf@spieg.interealm.com> References: Status: O X-Status: Edgar Lynk (elynk@Capital.Net) wrote: % Recently I changed providers and wanted to use my % collection of email addresses at the new site. % However, the new provider's Pine (same version as at % old site) would not accept the old .addressbook from % the old provider. Addresses were not properly placed % in the correct columnar format. I transferred .address- % book to/from my PC with sz/rz. Is it possible that % some control characters were affected? Any suggestions? % Thanks, ET I think you can salvage what you have with some editing. When I look at my address book the fields are delimited by tabs between each. I would assume your transfer changed these in some way. A fair guess would be that your tabs were changed to white space. If you have an editor that will reveal hiden codes look and see how each field is delimited now. With this information you can decide what you need to do. -- Doug sfg@spieg.interealm.com Any day I wake up without a tag on my toe is a good day! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 05:09:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08155; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:09:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17429; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:02:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17423; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:02:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXpGu-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 04:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lslawe@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Lauren T. Slawe) Subject: help with pine Date: 4 Jan 1996 12:27:02 GMT Message-Id: <4cgh2m$gqj@netnews.upenn.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi! Iwas wondering if there was somewhere I could pick up a manual entry for pine. I don't use pine, but friends of mine do, and since this is their first foray into unix, I thought I'd send them something to read about pine. i found a ftp site: pine.cac.washington.edu, but I can't seem to "get" anything; permission denied. Is there any sort of general overview on it, (literally how to use it, making aliases, customizing it, etc. We're not talking sysadmin stuff, or installation, just info on using it and learning how to work with it. I'd welcome any posts on the subject, but since I don't get the chance to check newsgroups, perhaps those posts could be directly mailed to me at lslawe@mail.sas.upenn.edu. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! --- Lauren Slawe University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Anthropology Go Penn CYCLING! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 05:15:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08271; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:15:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15975; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:02:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15969; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:02:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXpHK-00038EC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lslawe@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Lauren T. Slawe) Subject: Re: Pine and NCSA Telnet on MAC Date: 4 Jan 1996 12:32:33 GMT Message-Id: <4cghd1$gqj@netnews.upenn.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: Ed Greshko (Edward.M.Greshko@cdc.com) wrote: [stuff deleted] : He states: : I have a few problems with the HP system. the most annoying is : that fact that C does not cancel a message in pine or : end a man session, but hangs my telnet window. The message I : get is process interupted. : So, the answer is???? : Thanks, : Ed NCSA Telnet already assigns functions to the ^C,^S and ^Z keys. Fortunately you can change that yourself. Go up to the Session menu and choose "setup keys" Erase what's in them, or choose others. Now ^C should work, as it now gets to use the function that unix assigns to it. Hope this works. Lauren Slawe --- Lauren Slawe University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Anthropology Go Penn CYCLING! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 05:57:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09042; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:57:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16520; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:43:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16508; Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:43:09 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:41:12 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id NAA15215; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:42:40 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:42:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: "Lauren T. Slawe" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: help with pine In-Reply-To: <4cgh2m$gqj@netnews.upenn.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Use anonymous ftp to ftp.cac.washington.edu Pick up the source code kit for Pine. Unpack all of it (or, if you know how, extract just the following file). Find the manual page in doc/pine.1 Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 4 Jan 1996, Lauren T. Slawe wrote: > Hi! Iwas wondering if there was somewhere I could pick up a manual entry > for pine. I don't use pine, but friends of mine do, and since this is > their first foray into unix, I thought I'd send them something to read > about pine. i found a ftp site: pine.cac.washington.edu, but I can't > seem to "get" anything; permission denied. > > Is there any sort of general overview on it, (literally how to use it, > making aliases, customizing it, etc. We're not talking sysadmin stuff, > or installation, just info on using it and learning how to work with it. > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! > > --- > Lauren Slawe > University of Pennsylvania > Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Anthropology > Go Penn CYCLING! > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 09:29:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15783; Thu, 4 Jan 96 09:29:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22651; Thu, 4 Jan 96 09:23:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22645; Thu, 4 Jan 96 09:23:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXtJT-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 09:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bill@linet02.li.net (Bill Groppe) Subject: Problems compiling on Solaris 2.4 Sparc 20 Date: 4 Jan 1996 15:22:45 GMT Message-Id: <4cgrc5$arb@linet02.li.net> Status: O X-Status: Any help would be greatly appreciated!! After much fiddling around I got pine 3.91 to compile on my Sparc 20 running solaris 2.4. However, pine with display the headers from received messages, but not show the message text. Also if I try to send mail pine dumps core. The code seems to call ioctl with flags no longer support in 2.4. I've traced the one of the problems to the outbound filter on the message text. It references &c and dies immediatly. Thanks for you help! Bill@li.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 09:38:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16298; Thu, 4 Jan 96 09:38:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21171; Thu, 4 Jan 96 09:23:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21165; Thu, 4 Jan 96 09:23:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXtJU-00038EC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 09:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Johan Bergstr|m Subject: subject default Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:48:42 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I was just wondering if there is any way to create a default subject line for a particular address. I'm using Pine 3.90 on unix Thanks Johan ---------------------------%%%%%%%%%-------------------------- Johan Bergstrom EMAIL: s94jbe@csd.uu.se Flogstav. 25c http://www.csd.uu.se/~s94jbe/ 752 73 Uppsala SWEDEN 018-460093 ---------------------------%%%%%%%%%-------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 11:48:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22355; Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:48:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26573; Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:33:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26567; Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:33:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXvOb-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: sent-mail folder list shows wrong address Date: 4 Jan 1996 15:16:38 GMT Message-Id: <4cgr0m$7hk@brtph500.bnr.ca> Status: O X-Status: Is there a workaround for this: When my sent-mail folder is displayed, I've noticed that some entries show the "To: " line's contents, and some show the "From: " line's contents. The difference between these message (with 100% correlation) is the very first line, the one labeled "From ". If the hostname in "From " matches the current hostname, then the contents of the "To: " line are shown. But, if the hostname in "From " is a different, then the contents of the "From: " line are displayed. Additionally, it does NOT say that it's using "From: ", it just shows my name. I'm using an access provider that has two or three different systems that I can log into, all sharing my home directory. When I dial in, I get whichever machine is the least busy at the moment. So, when I send mail, the "From: " & "From " lines will indicate whatever machine I was on at the time. I have a similar configuration at work. But, I use the same workstation MOST of the time, so I rarely see this problem there. / Ray -----------------------------------+--------------------------------- Raymond E. Marshall | My opinions are not necessarily NorTel, Customer Service | endorsed by my employer, etc. RTP NC, USA 919-992-4731 Alternate access: raym@vnet.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 12:12:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23427; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:12:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27480; Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:59:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27450; Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:58:57 -0800 Message-Id: <9601041958.AA27450@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from acsvax.open.ac.uk by venus.open.ac.uk with Mail-11 (PP) id <19400-0@venus.open.ac.uk>; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:58:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:58:44 +0000 From: Ben Clewett To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Vms-To: MAIL1::"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Cc: B.S.Clewett@open.ac.uk X-Vms-Cc: BS_CLEWETT Subject: Forwarded MIME messages. Status: O X-Status: I cannot use the MIME part of PINE when I am forwarding messages to my UNIX system from my VAX account. This might sound like a strange thing to need to do, but by system here includes an interesting fire-wall which posts all incoming mail to my VAX account, where I can instruct the VAX mail server to forward my mail to any internal system, being my UNIX account running PINE. Therefore all incoming mail has an internal VAX added forwading header instead of the origional Internet header. This I belive is the reason that the Pine I am using does not touch MIME encrypted data! This is becoming difficult as I have several friends, all of whome want to send me binary data, and although I can send them MIME data all day long, can never see what they send back to me. I have here the chance to dump my Unix account and use Microsoft Mail, which under unusual conditions of only getting VAX forwarded mail, does still see the MIME data and extract it. This is something I don't even want to consider! If anybody out there can help me, I will be very happy! Please reply to my EMail address using only VAX understandable data. Ben Clewett. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 12:21:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23821; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:21:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26177; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:08:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26171; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:08:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXvwB-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tony Modiri Subject: AIX Pine 3.91 newsgroup article mailing Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:47:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: It seems like as you are reading usenet articles in pine, there is no way to e-mail the article(s) other than exporting it and then e-mailing the file. Or maybe I just missed the command. Anyone know? Thanks. <--------------------------<<<-- Tony Modiri -->>>------------------------> < E-Mail: Modiri@csu.net Bus: (310)985-9606 > < Home Page: www.csu.net/modiri Fax: (310)985-9400 > <-------------------------------------------------------------------------> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 12:53:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25008; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:53:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28804; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:43:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28798; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:43:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXwUD-00038IC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flavell@vxcern.cern.ch (Alan J. Flavell) Subject: Line length, quoted printable, usenet posting Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:21:36 GMT Status: O X-Status: I'm finding that if I use ctrl/J to tidy up my untidy input, it's inclined to trigger PINE into quoted-printable mode: I assume that this is happening because I've exceeded the max line length that PINE permits in a non-encoded plain mail. When the result is intended as a usenet posting, this gets complaints from other usenauts about the =20 and =3D and stuff. Many usenet readers don't support MIME and display the stuff raw to the readers. Can I do anything, in terms of 1/ reducing the max line length produced by ctrl/J, or 2/ discouraging PINE from going into quoted-printable mode in this situation, or 3/ at least giving some kind of indication that I have provoked it (as could also happen, for example, if I typed a pound-sterling character in). Preferably via a configuration parameter (but I looked and didn't see one) rather than having to rebuild the software. best regards From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 13:12:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26367; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:12:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27708; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:02:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from offsv1.cis.McMaster.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27702; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:02:11 -0800 Received: (from cseeley@localhost) by offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA07367; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:02:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:02:01 -0500 (EST) From: Carolynn Seeley To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: TAB disrupting INBOX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I hope someone has encountered my current problem before and can give me some insight and help. I installed PINE 3.91 on our Sun OS 5.4 a week before Christmas. Since that time one of our Managers - Al is not receiving some of his mail in PINE. In desparation we viewed his INBOX in vi and found a on a line by itself at the end of a message that he had looked at and then some email that had been hidden. When we deleted the line and then went into PINE - 17 New messages appeared. Does anyone have any idea where the is being generated from? Thanks, Carolynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca PINE Administrator Computing and Information Services McMaster University, ABB-132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 13:29:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27033; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:29:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28423; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:16:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from offsv1.cis.McMaster.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28413; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:16:25 -0800 Received: (from cseeley@localhost) by offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA07542; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) From: Carolynn Seeley To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: system freezing - SUN OS 5.4 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi! It is now Three weeks after upgrading from PINE 3.89 to version 3.91 and our total system has frozen solid with little/no warning . Our University was closed over the holiday period so there was not a heavy load on the system up to Tuesday this week. Since then we've averaged 370 users and the system has frozen late each afternoon forcing us to reboot. We couldn't even get an interrupt at the system console. I have been monitoring the system and watching for any dangling pine processes that may be eating CPU but as the load is low, this doesn't seem to be the cause of our hung system. Does anyone have any ideas or insights ? I appreciate your views. Thanks. Carolynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca PINE Administrator Computing and Information Services McMaster University, ABB-132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 13:57:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28682; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:57:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29640; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:53:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29634; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:53:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tXxXG-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Christian Labadie Subject: [Q] Pine for Windows 95 ? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:28:24 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Will there be a version of pine for Windows 95 ? Christian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 14:58:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01740; Thu, 4 Jan 96 14:58:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01534; Thu, 4 Jan 96 14:53:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ICARUS.CC.UIC.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01528; Thu, 4 Jan 96 14:53:21 -0800 Received: (from pankaj@localhost) by icarus.cc.uic.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA10970; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:53:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:53:43 -0600 (CST) From: Pankaj Saxena Reply-To: pankaj@uic.edu To: Pine Mailing List Subject: Folder Locks Message-Id: Pgp-Key: finger pankaj@uic.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This question has been brought up earlier, but the answer didn't quite solve the problem I was having. I use Pine with Procmail to pre-process my mail. Everything seems to be working fine, but I was concerned by all the warnings in the Pine FAQ and procmail packages about implementing some kind of folder locking scheme to make sure the folders are not corrupted and mail is not lost. I read the "Folder-Lock" section in the Pine FAQ and also the documents with procmail. There's a lot of information there - too much, in fact. I haven't been able to figure out what kind of folder-lock is required, and how to implement it. Could someone who's using Pine with Procmail please tell me (in simple terms) what kind of folder-lock scheme they're using, how they set it up, and whether they've had any problems using it. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pankaj Saxena pankaj@uic.edu University of Illinois at Chicago pankaj@tigger.cc.uic.edu Chicago, IL, USA pankaj@icarus.cc.uic.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 17:34:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08611; Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:34:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07447; Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:29:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07441; Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:29:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tY0vh-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: AIX Pine 3.91 newsgroup article mailing Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:15:49 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Tony Modiri wrote: > It seems like as you are reading usenet articles in pine, there is no way > to e-mail the article(s) other than exporting it and then e-mailing the file. > Or maybe I just missed the command. Anyone know? Thanks. I sounds as if you just want to forward the message with the 'f' command. A header will come up for you to fill in the email address. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 18:42:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10605; Thu, 4 Jan 96 18:42:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07062; Thu, 4 Jan 96 18:39:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07056; Thu, 4 Jan 96 18:39:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tY21c-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 18:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.oce.orst.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Message-Id header Date: 4 Jan 1996 23:44:52 GMT Message-Id: <820791117.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Norberto H. Altalef wrote: >Let me do an aclaration on this subject. >In order to simplify the administration, I have configure "sendmail" to >hide the hostname in the mail address, so that an address of the form >"name@host.domain" becomes "name@domain". >But, the hostname still appears in the last part of the Message-ID header. So? Why is this a problem? >I didn't find any way configuring sendmail or pine, to change it, to a form >coherent with the mail address. How would you guarantee unique message id's if you allow each host to create their own out of the domain space? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 19:40:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11891; Thu, 4 Jan 96 19:40:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09447; Thu, 4 Jan 96 19:34:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09441; Thu, 4 Jan 96 19:34:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tY2tN-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 19:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: Line length, quoted printable, usenet posting Date: 4 Jan 1996 20:40:24 GMT Message-Id: <4chdvo$oi@knobel.gun.de> References: In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: In article , flavell@vxcern.cern.ch (Alan J. Flavell) writes: > >I'm finding that if I use ctrl/J to tidy up my untidy input, it's >inclined to trigger PINE into quoted-printable mode: I assume that >this is happening because I've exceeded the max line length that >PINE permits in a non-encoded plain mail. > >When the result is intended as a usenet posting, this gets >complaints from other usenauts about the =20 and =3D and stuff. >Many usenet readers don't support MIME and display the stuff raw >to the readers. > >Can I do anything, in terms of 1/ reducing the max line length >produced by ctrl/J, or 2/ discouraging PINE from going into >quoted-printable mode in this situation, or 3/ at least giving >some kind of indication that I have provoked it (as could also >happen, for example, if I typed a pound-sterling character in). > >Preferably via a configuration parameter (but I looked and >didn't see one) rather than having to rebuild the software. I asked that, too, the answer was, that quoted printable is an internet standard. The authors wonder about the fact, that so many people want to have a switch to turn it off. I think they'd prefer, that other mail packages should start to support the MIME capabilities and quoted printable as well. If I remember right they think about it, to include such a switch into the next pine release. Another thing I'd like to see is, to have a configuration parameter, that allows you to encode binaries with uuencode. When I send binary data from home to my sun, I have problems to get it unpacked. I'd have to compile pine or another package, to get it decoded. I hope pine will get such feature, too. -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de - \/ ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz apsfilter - magic print filter 4lpd >>> knobel is powered by FreeBSD <<< From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 4 21:40:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14343; Thu, 4 Jan 96 21:40:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09439; Thu, 4 Jan 96 21:34:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09433; Thu, 4 Jan 96 21:34:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tY4jT-00038CC; Thu, 4 Jan 96 21:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine (imapd?) hangs changing message status Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:48:52 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4cg0tf$tt8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4cg0tf$tt8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 4 Jan 1996, Trey Harris wrote: > If I cd to my ~/mail directory on the IMAP server machine and attempt to > do anything to read the files in that directory (ls, cat, vi, whatever) > the command hangs until Pine finishes hanging. The moment Pine finishes > hanging, the ls, cat, tail, or whatever abrubtly resumes. This sounds like an important clue. If Unix utilities get stuck too, it suggests that the hanging is happening in the system. My guess is that fsync() causes some kind of directory lockup. Pine does an fsync() on the mail file at certain critical points to ensure that the disk copy is consistant. One of those critical points is "all requested flag updates complete". Since you are running AIX 4, I suggest nagging IBM to fix their operating system. Since we're starting to deploy AIX 4 on our RS/6000s, I suspect that we'll start encountering this problem too. It does't happen in AIX 3. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 02:26:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20715; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:26:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13071; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:19:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13055; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:19:20 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA01375 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:11:49 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15119; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:18:21 +0300 (OET) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:18:47 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: pankaj@uic.edu Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Folder Locks X-Sender: bor@[itsmx1] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Pankaj Saxena wrote: > > Could someone who's using Pine with Procmail please tell me (in simple > terms) what kind of folder-lock scheme they're using, how they set it up, > and whether they've had any problems using it. > Hi! i am using Pine with procmail for some time and have no troubles (as yet :-) I haven't done any special configuration. Basically, get and compile procmail - I have done it off the shelf without ANY changes; get and compile Pine - see above. Then set up .procmailrc to your taste. I am using curently Procmail 3.11pre4 and Pine for Windows 3.91 with IMAP server from Pine 3.91 also. With procmail 3.10 no problem also. The only point is, don't forget to indicate folder locking in .procmailrc, that is, put second colon after the recipe flags, e.g. :0: * ... It makes procmail to lock folder while delivering. As far as I understand, both procmail and Pine use dot-locking. They create temporary file with .lock suffix while holding folder open. hope it helps greetings ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 02:29:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20764; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:29:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15060; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:20:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15054; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:20:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tY9BF-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jurist@netaxs.com (Jurist Inc.) Subject: Re: BCC problem Date: 5 Jan 1996 05:45:23 GMT Message-Id: <4cidtj$8c9@netaxs.com> References: Status: O X-Status: I don't think it would be sendmail at our site, because we use MMDF. Anyways, the regular mail command works fine. So does SCOMail. It is just pine that includes the BCC: header on the To: mail receipents message. : > : > >Has anyone noticed that if you BCC someone, it tells the main receipient : > >of the message that you have done so? This doesn't sound like correct : > >behavior. : > >email trevor@jurist.com : : If memory serves me correctly I don't think it is a pine issue : but is sendmailism. If you construct an email message with only a bcc : the receipients will get a message with an "Apparently-To:" header that : "reveals" all the receipients. Not all versions of sendmail cause this : behaviour....if memory serves me correctly. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 02:56:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21187; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:56:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13368; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:50:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13362; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:50:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tY9ea-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Alan J. Flavell" Subject: Re: Line length, quoted printable, usenet posting In-Reply-To: <4chdvo$oi@knobel.gun.de> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <4chdvo$oi@knobel.gun.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:35:52 GMT Status: O X-Status: On 4 Jan 1996, Andreas Klemm wrote: > In article , > flavell@vxcern.cern.ch (Alan J. Flavell) writes: > > > >I'm finding that if I use ctrl/J to tidy up my untidy input, it's > >inclined to trigger PINE into quoted-printable mode: I assume that > >this is happening because I've exceeded the max line length that > >PINE permits in a non-encoded plain mail. > > > >When the result is intended as a usenet posting, this gets > >complaints from other usenauts about the =20 and =3D and stuff. > >Many usenet readers don't support MIME and display the stuff raw > >to the readers. > > > >Can I do anything, in terms of 1/ reducing the max line length > >produced by ctrl/J, ... > > I asked that, too, the answer was, that quoted printable is > an internet standard. ... It is, but it's not mandatory even for email yet, and certainly support for it is not widespread on usenet. I don't believe it is polite to use MIME encoding on usenet. PINE is a nice email client but I'm not exactly impressed by it as a usenet client; it's just that I'm sometimes in a position where it's the only usenet client that's easily accessible to me as a user - I just wish that it was better behaved on usenet in this (and some other) respects. Could I just say again that I'd be content if I had a way to cut down the line length somewhat that ctrl/J produces. Is this a PICO issue? I guess it is. Does PICO have any handles on this, like a configuration file (rather than needing to rebuild from source)? best regards From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 03:02:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21308; Fri, 5 Jan 96 03:02:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15403; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:55:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15397; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:55:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tY9mP-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Alan J. Flavell" Subject: Re: Forwarded MIME messages. In-Reply-To: <9601041958.AA27450@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <9601041958.AA27450@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:44:58 GMT Status: O X-Status: On 4 Jan 1996, Ben Clewett wrote: > I cannot use the MIME part of PINE when I am forwarding messages to my UNIX > system from my VAX account. You can consider installing Yehavi Bourvine's port of PINE to VAX/VMS onto the VAX account. This understands the MIME headers in spite of the extra VAX headers. You should be able to do this even as a normal user, without system privileges on the VAX system. look at my notes http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/%7Eflavell/vms-pine.html for pointers to the software, etc. Hope this helps. > This might sound like a strange thing to need to do, but by system here > includes an interesting fire-wall which posts all incoming mail to my VAX > account, where I can instruct the VAX mail server to forward my mail to > any internal system, being my UNIX account running PINE. You would have to invoke PINE manually on the VAX system. The automatic forwarding could not do this AFAIK. > Therefore all incoming mail has an internal VAX added forwading header instead > of the origional Internet header. This I belive is the reason that the Pine > I am using does not touch MIME encrypted data! I know this well! However, an alternative would be to install one of the MIME utilities such as Mpack on your unix system, and filter the incoming mail items by hand, if you can't or won't use Yehavi's package. Thanks to your long lines, I suspect that this posting is going to get MIME-encoded by PINE anyway. (See my other thread on this topic) cheers From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 10:03:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04704; Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:03:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20674; Fri, 5 Jan 96 09:51:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20668; Fri, 5 Jan 96 09:51:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYGDz-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 09:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stern@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (Daniel Stern) Subject: saving e-mail on my disk Date: 5 Jan 1996 16:33:35 GMT Message-Id: <4cjjsv$eto@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Status: O X-Status: Good morning. Does anyone know how I can save my e-mail on a floppy disk? I use pine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 10:04:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04768; Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:04:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20720; Fri, 5 Jan 96 09:52:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20710; Fri, 5 Jan 96 09:52:54 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA09493 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:52:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:48:16 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: "Samudra E. Haque" Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Pine for SCO Unix? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Samudra E. Haque wrote: > I saw one of your posts in the newsgroup comp.mail.pine, you were > discussing pico for SCO UNIX, and you mentioned "If PINE is installed on > your system....", the system in question being referred to, was most > probably SCO Unix. > > I am definitely curious!!!!! I have a SCO Unix 3.2v4.2 operating system > that is desparately short of a good mail interface to its UUCP link to > the internet. On my LINUX machine I have pine, and I am truly impressed. > I recently was able to (with much expense) download via modem the entire > PINE 3.91 distribution, but haven't had much success in getting pine to > compile on SCO Unix. Is this now possible ? Could you please point out > how it might be possible ? Ideally I would like to acquire/beg/borrow > Pine with an interface (like pico editor) and a interface to SCO UUCP if > possible. Thank you for your message. It is very easy to build Pine, Pico and Imap on SCO Unix: after unpacking the distribution, you only have to give "build sco" to make all of them. The binaries will be build in the directory "bin" under the distribution and can be installed by a simple copy or "make install". If you have no TCP/IP and like to use Pine only as MUA (Mail User Agent) over UUCP, then do "ln -s /dev/null /dev/socksys" to fool Pine :-) Of course UUCP and MMDF must be configured, if you need help, as for it. --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 10:30:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06299; Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:30:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23705; Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:21:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23699; Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:21:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYGhp-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Problems compiling on Solaris 2.4 Sparc 20 Date: 5 Jan 96 17:08:43 GMT Message-Id: References: <4cgrc5$arb@linet02.li.net> Status: O X-Status: bill@newshost.li.net (Bill Groppe) writes: >Any help would be greatly appreciated!! >After much fiddling around I got pine 3.91 to compile on my Sparc 20 running >solaris 2.4. However, pine with display the headers from received messages, >but not show the message text. Also if I try to send mail pine dumps core. It definitely does compile. Run ldd on your binary and post the output. >The code seems to call ioctl with flags no longer support in 2.4. I've traced >the one of the problems to the outbound filter on the message text. It >references &c and dies immediatly. >Thanks for you help! >Bill@li.net -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 12:25:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12331; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:25:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24566; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:01:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24560; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:01:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYIG9-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 11:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tell@cs.unc.edu (Stephen Tell) Subject: Re: pine and mime Date: 5 Jan 1996 10:40:55 -0500 Message-Id: <4cjgq7$2kt@rukbat.cs.unc.edu> References: <4c7gbu$eqc@nyx.cs.du.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <4c7gbu$eqc@nyx.cs.du.edu>, seth ness wrote: > >hi, > >i'm having some bad interactions with pine, listproc and mime. >i have some long documents that have some hi-ascii characters scattered >through them. because of this pine mime-encodes them. people recieving >them on non-mime email programs than get =20 and =098 for newlines and I seem to have a similar problem - pine insists on BASE64 encoding _any_ attached files, which folks non-mime mailers really have trouble with. Even files that are just plain US-ASCII. Is this a bug in 3.90 fixed later? Any suggestions besides waiting a few more years for mime to spread and mature some more? >ness@aecom.yu.edu -- Steve Tell tell@cs.unc.edu W: +1 919 962 1845 Research Associate, Computer Science Department, UNC@Chapel Hill. Who needs 3-D television when you've got live theatre? -me From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 12:53:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13574; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:53:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27862; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:41:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27856; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:41:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYIuD-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David Tobkin Subject: Re: Message-Id header Date: 5 Jan 1996 10:01:01 -0700 Message-Id: <4cjlgd$l0l@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4c4k02$gf0@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Status: O X-Status: Ed Greshko wrote: : On 31 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: : > nalt@ub.edu.ar ("Norberto H. Altalef") wrote: : > >I would like to know if it's possible modify the contents of the : > >Message-ID header. : > : > Sure. : > : > >I'm interested in hide the host name from it. : > >I'm using pine 3.91 in HP-UX and Linux machines. : > : > What, tell you how to forge Message-ID headers so you can be a : > dickweed and spam Usenet? Hah! Fuck off. : Some people feel that to reveal their hostname can result in : security problems. Their intentions are not as you cite. In any case : your use of profane language is inappropriate. : Regards, : Ed I feel urged to respond to this thread. Bob Dole, one of those breach of contractors under that nuetered person. Has had this profanity problem with the net. It is my conclusion that if the net would have done away with anonymity from the get go we wouldn't have the image problems that the net has today. Sure Mr. Mercur used profanity but he put his real name to it. As others would have to if they couldn't be anonymous. I feel the net would be a better place if people couldn't hide. Have you read the alt.politics pub. Its depressing as hell to think that people can be that neanderthal. But its like that all over. On a technical note. Why in thunder can't that curser catch up with my typing? I know I have a 2400 baud modem, but sheesh. -- |----------------------------------------------------| \ ___________________________, / \ //~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~|~~~~~~\\ | / \ _|_/-------------/_|______|_______\\_|________,_ / \ \ _@_______________|____-_|-______|_____________) / \ <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> / \ \___/ topper@primenet.com \___/ / |----------------------------------------------------| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 14:10:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18608; Fri, 5 Jan 96 14:10:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27989; Fri, 5 Jan 96 14:01:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27981; Fri, 5 Jan 96 14:01:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYKCD-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 14:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sinners@netcom.com (Steve Inners) Subject: Re: Pine for SCO Unix? Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:20:43 GMT Status: O X-Status: : On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Samudra E. Haque wrote: : > I saw one of your posts in the newsgroup comp.mail.pine, you were : > discussing pico for SCO UNIX, and you mentioned "If PINE is installed on : > your system....", the system in question being referred to, was most : > probably SCO Unix. : > : > I am definitely curious!!!!! I have a SCO Unix 3.2v4.2 operating system You can also try ftp.celestial.com for a SCO ready binary (if you don't have the c-compiler to do a build). -- -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### I brew, therefore I am. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 16:40:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25420; Fri, 5 Jan 96 16:40:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02046; Fri, 5 Jan 96 16:32:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from news.pacifier.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02040; Fri, 5 Jan 96 16:32:57 -0800 Received: from bart by news.pacifier.com with uucp for cac.washington.edu!pine-info (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #30) id m0tYMZG-0009C2C; Fri, 5 Jan 96 16:33 PST Received: from bart.wfsg.com by bart.wfsg.com id aa05881; 5 Jan 96 16:25 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:25:19 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Hansen To: "Jurist Inc." Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BCC problem In-Reply-To: <4cidtj$8c9@netaxs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I've seen this on our SCO system running MMDF. Typically when you don't include a To: address. -- Dave Hansen On 5 Jan 1996, Jurist Inc. wrote: > I don't think it would be sendmail at our site, because we use MMDF. > Anyways, the regular mail command works fine. So does SCOMail. It is > just pine that includes the BCC: header on the To: mail receipents message. > : > > : > >Has anyone noticed that if you BCC someone, it tells the main receipient > : > >of the message that you have done so? This doesn't sound like correct > : > >behavior. > : > >email trevor@jurist.com > : > : If memory serves me correctly I don't think it is a pine issue > : but is sendmailism. If you construct an email message with only a bcc > : the receipients will get a message with an "Apparently-To:" header that > : "reveals" all the receipients. Not all versions of sendmail cause this > : behaviour....if memory serves me correctly. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 19:39:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01014; Fri, 5 Jan 96 19:39:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08170; Fri, 5 Jan 96 19:32:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08164; Fri, 5 Jan 96 19:32:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYPM4-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 19:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pschoenb@composer.mayn.de (Patrick Schoenbach) Subject: Sending attached files Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:49:08 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hi there, is it possible to use uuencode instead of base64-encoding for attached files? If so, how could I do this? Bye. -- ----------------------------------- E-Mail: pschoenb@composer.mayn.de ----------------------------------- PGP Public Key available From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 19:41:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01048; Fri, 5 Jan 96 19:41:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05687; Fri, 5 Jan 96 19:37:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05681; Fri, 5 Jan 96 19:37:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYPQU-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 19:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca (SUZANNE FORTIN) Subject: help-- error message Date: 6 Jan 1996 01:52:00 GMT Message-Id: <4ckkk0$ep5@athena.ulaval.ca> Status: O X-Status: Hi I'm curious. I was in my mail reader, reading the newsgroups to which I subscribe. I tried posting, but an error message came up: "error-- no space left on device writing article". The message did not post. What does that mean? How can I fix the problem? I can post with my USENET reader, except it's just a little bit more of a pain to go to USENET. Please e-mail me. Thank you very kindly. _________________________________________________________________________ Suzanne Fortin | undergraduate student | Editor of *Minerva* a diminutive e-mail zine history | of poetry and opinion. The Winter 1996 issue Laval University | is out. E-mail me for a free copy. Submission Ste-Foy, PQ, Canada | guidelines included. aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca | __________________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 5 23:25:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04727; Fri, 5 Jan 96 23:25:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11110; Fri, 5 Jan 96 23:22:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11104; Fri, 5 Jan 96 23:22:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYSuE-00038CC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 23:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Derik Rawson Subject: Pine style viewer for DOS text files Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:32:12 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Looking for DOS software to view plain text files after downloaded from Unix server to my HP100LX Hewlett-Parkard Palm Top, so they look just like Pine Files on Unix server. ie: Shows new and old messages. My not exist ....any ideas? Derik Rawson rri@neosoft.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 01:20:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06686; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:20:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09669; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:12:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09663; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:12:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYUcG-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: u9107543@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (P.H. Van broekhoven) Subject: random .signature files Date: 6 Jan 1996 00:17:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4cl0l1$rgr@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> Status: O X-Status: Is it possible (and if so how) to have PINE generate a random .signature? IE, everytime I compose a message, it pulls out a random quote (or other bit of text) from a list. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 01:26:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06759; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:26:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12429; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:17:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12423; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:17:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYUk2-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfreeman@psycfrnd.interaccess.com (Richard E. Freeman) Subject: Add Approved: to Header? Date: 6 Jan 1996 04:30:27 GMT Message-Id: <4cktt3$ui@nntp.interaccess.com> Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to add an Approved: line to the header when using pine to run a moderated newsgroup? Is there any way to get it to default with such a line? Thanks, -- Rich Freeman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 01:40:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07304; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:40:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09938; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:32:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09932; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:32:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYUya-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 01:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gordon or Connie Marigold Subject: Re: help-- error message Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:40:07 -0600 Message-Id: References: <4ckkk0$ep5@athena.ulaval.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4ckkk0$ep5@athena.ulaval.ca> Status: O X-Status: Hello, The same thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I assumed it was just a problem with the local "whatever" is handling mail, and I think I must have been right as it was fine again when I tried half an hour later. If anyone really knows, please post to the group. TIA Connie On 6 Jan 1996, SUZANNE FORTIN wrote: > Hi > > I'm curious. I was in my mail reader, reading the newsgroups to which I > subscribe. I tried posting, but an error message came up: "error-- no > space left on device writing article". The message did not post. > > What does that mean? How can I fix the problem? > > I can post with my USENET reader, except it's just a little bit more of a > pain to go to USENET. > > > Please e-mail me. > > Thank you very kindly. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Suzanne Fortin | > undergraduate student | Editor of *Minerva* a diminutive e-mail zine > history | of poetry and opinion. The Winter 1996 issue > Laval University | is out. E-mail me for a free copy. Submission > Ste-Foy, PQ, Canada | guidelines included. > aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca | > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 04:32:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10706; Sat, 6 Jan 96 04:32:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14646; Sat, 6 Jan 96 04:23:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14640; Sat, 6 Jan 96 04:23:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYXdI-00038HC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 04:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lai@ds9.ph.utexas.edu (Chi-hsuan Lai) Subject: convert pine addressbook to elm Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:09:34 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Hi: I have been using pine for a long time and accumulated a big list of addressbook in pine. I just wondering if there are some scripts which can convert pine addressbook to elm alias files. Thanks Lai -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Chi-hsuan Lai, Dept of Physics * e-mail: lai@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu | | University of Texas at Austin * http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~lai/home.html| | Visit UT TSA WWW page: http://www.utexas.edu/students/tsa/ | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 05:52:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11841; Sat, 6 Jan 96 05:52:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12896; Sat, 6 Jan 96 05:48:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12890; Sat, 6 Jan 96 05:48:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYYxh-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 05:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: werner@buffnet.net (Craig Werner) Subject: Re: saving e-mail on my disk Date: 6 Jan 1996 11:43:18 GMT Message-Id: <4cln8n$efv@buffnet2.buffnet.net> References: <4cjjsv$eto@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Status: O X-Status: Daniel Stern (stern@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote: > Good morning. Does anyone know how I can save my e-mail on a floppy disk? Daniel, one way to do what you wish is to type "e" after you have read the message you wish to save. This option allows the message to be exported to a plain textfile on your system. You must give it a filename. After you have exited pine, download the file to your disk, and then delete it from the system on which you saved it before downloading it. (Check before deleting to make sure the message has been saved to your disk.) Craig Werner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 11:01:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15798; Sat, 6 Jan 96 11:01:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18833; Sat, 6 Jan 96 10:53:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18827; Sat, 6 Jan 96 10:53:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYdjr-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 10:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pauljr@nceet.snre.umich.edu (Paul Nowak) Subject: Email Message Databases Date: 4 Jan 1996 16:01:42 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I've been using pine VIA NCSA Telnet on a Mac for a couple years now and I have collected over 30 MB in old messages and sent messages. Within these messages is information that is important to me but, sifting through it all is a real pain. Has naybody created a database tool for organizing old messages generated in pine? Thanks in advance for any info, Paul Nowak From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 16:06:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20519; Sat, 6 Jan 96 16:06:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19901; Sat, 6 Jan 96 15:59:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19895; Sat, 6 Jan 96 15:59:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYiSc-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 15:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: richh@teleport.com (Rich) Subject: Printing Problems Date: 6 Jan 1996 23:48:49 GMT Message-Id: <4cn1p1$6de@maureen.teleport.com> Status: O X-Status: I have 2 Print Questions about Pine. When I print, the program freezes after a short period of printing. At this point I have to reboot and log back in. I think it has something to do with memory (I am thinking printer memory). Any ideas on how to correct this problem? Also I would like to print without any headers. When someone sends me a document, it sure would be nice just to print it from there as a finished document rather to have to retype it, or download it to a word processor. Ideas? Thanks Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Credit Management Information & Support = http://www.teleport.com/~richh/ Newsgroup = misc.business.credit e-mail = richh@creditworthy.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 17:20:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21921; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:20:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20939; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:14:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20933; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:14:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYjea-00038HC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: help with pine Date: 6 Jan 1996 15:01:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4cmv0v$f1v@shellx.best.com> References: <4cgh2m$gqj@netnews.upenn.edu> Status: O X-Status: lslawe@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Lauren T. Slawe) writes: >Hi! Iwas wondering if there was somewhere I could pick up a manual entry >for pine. I have a link to the Pine man pages and other Pine info on: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/pine/ Good luck, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 17:21:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21954; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:21:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23538; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:14:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23532; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:14:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYjea-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: saving e-mail on my disk Date: 6 Jan 1996 15:06:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4cmv8s$gb6@shellx.best.com> References: <4cjjsv$eto@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> <4cln8n$efv@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Status: O X-Status: werner@buffnet.net (Craig Werner) writes: >Daniel Stern (stern@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote: >> Good morning. Does anyone know how I can save my e-mail on a floppy disk? > >Daniel, one way to do what you wish is to type "e" after you have read >the message you wish to save. This option allows the message to be >exported to a plain textfile on your system. You must give it a >filename. After you have exited pine, download the file to your disk, >and then delete it from the system on which you saved it before >downloading it. (Check before deleting to make sure the message has been >saved to your disk.) Or if you are using PC Pine for Windows just save (S) or export (E) to c:\dirname\filename.txt Good luck, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 17:44:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22417; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:44:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23891; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:39:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23885; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:39:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYk4l-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 17:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jimb@micro.internexus.net (Nexus Tech Support) Subject: Mass Mailings and BCC Mass Date: 7 Jan 1996 00:33:55 GMT Message-Id: <4cn4dj$hln@micro.internexus.net> Status: O X-Status: I was wondering how to automattically compile a Mass Mailing list from the passwd file in pine.. Ideally removing bin, etc. Also, how can you send a mass mail (or any mailing list) and have it not list all the other people the message was sent to? Jim Brinkerhoff jimb@internexus.net (Preffered response method) Internet Nexus Technical Support From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 20:14:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24148; Sat, 6 Jan 96 20:14:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22914; Sat, 6 Jan 96 20:09:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22908; Sat, 6 Jan 96 20:09:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYmQY-00038CC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 20:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David Looke <100231.1433@compuserve.com> Subject: Help with Mail Servers WinNT Message-Id: <30EF5309.5690@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 14:58:49 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Can anyone advise me on the best Mail Server for Windows NT? There are quite a few mail servers available, including: EMWAC, IMail, LISTSERV, Mi'Mail, NTMAIL, post.office, sendmail, SLmailNT, and StarTech Internet Components--and probably others. We have a 10-user LAN (Netware 3.11) with an Internet Server (Windows NT 3.51, Pentium box) running Website, and I want to set up Internet mail. My service provider does not provide this facility. Our workstations are all running Win95. Any comments regarding the pros and cons of particular mail servers would be welcome. Thanks, David Looke, MicroWay Pty Ltd. email: 100231.1433@compuserve.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 22:33:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26052; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:33:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27192; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:29:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27185; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:29:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYoWT-00038HC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Derik Rawson Subject: Need DOS database tool for old Pine files on disks Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:34:48 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am looking for same thing on DOS 5.0 for my HP100LX Palmtop, so I can organize and read E-Mail saved on disk. Subject: Email Message Databases Date: 4 Jan 1996 16:01:42 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 10 I've been using pine VIA NCSA Telnet on a Mac for a couple years now and I have collected over 30 MB in old messages and sent messages. Within these messages is information that is important to me but, sifting through it all is a real pain. Has naybody created a database tool for organizing old messages generated in pine? Thanks in advance for any info, Paul Nowak From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 22:42:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26330; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:42:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24790; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:39:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24784; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:39:18 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16055; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:42:23 +0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:42:22 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Q: How to make the cursor skip to the next word? In-Reply-To: <4c9cb7$rjk@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 724 Status: O X-Status: On 1 Jan 1996, Mahmut Parlar wrote: > In most DOS/Windows wordprocessors, pressing the > `Ctrl + Right Arrow' keys would make the cursor jump to the next word. The > PINE v3.91 Editor we have here doesn't understand this key combination > (I guess because it is a UNIX application). > Is there a similar key combination in PINE that would do the same > thing? Thanks for your help. Ctrl-SPACE or Ctrl-@ will do it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 22:54:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26533; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:54:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24994; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:52:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24988; Sat, 6 Jan 96 22:52:51 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16488; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:55:56 +0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Interrupting wait for news server In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1002 Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, Tom Phoenix wrote: > Sometimes the news server on my site is slow to respond, so Pine seems to > hang. Is there any way to interrupt Pine, so I can get back to more > interesting things? > > I can use 'kill' to send a signal to Pine, but I don't want to kill it; I > just want to wake it up! ;-) Our users who read newsgroups with Pine report a similar problem, especially when they try to go to their folder lists. If communication with our news server (which is remote) hits a snag, Pine sits there forever with a "Building folder list" message. The only way out is Ctrl-C, or wait for the news server to come back to life. Can we have a more elegant solution in 3.92? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 23:47:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27270; Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:47:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25529; Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:45:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25523; Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:45:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYpjK-00038HC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: egilk@sn.no (Egil Kvaleberg) Subject: Re: pine and mime Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:19:27 GMT Message-Id: References: <4c7gbu$eqc@nyx.cs.du.edu> Status: O X-Status: seth ness (sness@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: > i'm having some bad interactions with pine, listproc and mime. > i have some long documents that have some hi-ascii characters scattered > through them. because of this pine mime-encodes them. people recieving > them on non-mime email programs than get =20 and =098 for newlines and > tabs etc. which makes a mess. plus listproc archives them with the =20 > and =09's which really sucks. I have a patch for Pine 3.91 that fixes this problem. It uses the Mime 8bit encoding when possible, which means no encoding and no mess! You will need to download and recompile the Pine source to install it. The patched version is still in accordance with RFC1340, RFC1428 and RFC1521. Please contact me by email if you are interested. In Norwegian we have the exact same problem, since we have three extra characters from the ISO-8859-1 character set. I found Pine such a good program I simply thought it was too bad to have it spoiled by the Mine Unreadables. Egil -- Email: egilk@oslonett.no Voice: +47 22523641 Fax: +47 22525899 Snail: Egil Kvaleberg, Husebybakken 14A, 0379 Oslo, Norway URL: http://www.oslonett.no/home/egilk/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 6 23:48:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27304; Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:48:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28147; Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:45:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28141; Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:45:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYpjK-00038KC; Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: egilk@sn.no (Egil Kvaleberg) Subject: Re: Line length, quoted printable, usenet posting Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:40:19 GMT Message-Id: References: <4chdvo$oi@knobel.gun.de> Status: O X-Status: Alan J. Flavell (FLAVELL@vxcern.cern.ch) wrote: > On 4 Jan 1996, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > In article , > > flavell@vxcern.cern.ch (Alan J. Flavell) writes: > > >When the result is intended as a usenet posting, this gets > > >complaints from other usenauts about the =20 and =3D and stuff. > > >Many usenet readers don't support MIME and display the stuff raw > > >to the readers. I find the current situation where programs like Pine and Netscape switches to Mime Printables whenever they see one little 8-bit character very unfortunate. RFC1340 clearly indicates the possibility of sending straight 8bit. As long as this is announced in the header, I really think that this is a good thing: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > I don't believe it > is polite to use MIME encoding on usenet. If you by MIME encoding mean "Quoted Printable", I 100% agree. I even think its use for email should be limited too. That is why I have made a patch for Pine 3.91 to allow proper 8bit postings. A feature switch "allow-8bit-mime" has been introduced to enable this feature. The 8bit coding for text is used for situations where all these conditions are met: 1. The "allow-8bit-mime" feature is set. 2. One or more character has the upper bit set. 3. None of these characters are unprintable. 4. Less than 30% of the characters require 8bit. 5. The line length is below 500. 6. There are no NULs. Please email me at egilk@sn.no if you are interested. Egil -- Email: egilk@sn.no Voice: +47 22523641 Fax: +47 22525899 Snail: Egil Kvaleberg, Husebybakken 14A, 0379 Oslo, Norway URL: http://www.oslonett.no/home/egilk/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 04:45:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02826; Sun, 7 Jan 96 04:45:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29020; Sun, 7 Jan 96 04:40:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29014; Sun, 7 Jan 96 04:40:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYuOq-00038HC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 04:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "G. Harney" Subject: I have new mail (I dont) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:46:57 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: whenever i send a message to anybody in pine and then exit, my shell (?) tells me ; You have new mail in /usr/mail/gharney when in fact the user that I just sent the mail to should be getting that message, not me. :) Does pine remove and then recreate the system mailbox from the copy it uses (and modifies) while you are reading mail, appending any new mail which may have come in? If so this may explain it, since then bash sees a completely new file, and could be excused for thinking that it was all new mail. Suggestions? Thanks, Giles gharney@clark.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 06:29:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04111; Sun, 7 Jan 96 06:29:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02777; Sun, 7 Jan 96 06:26:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02771; Sun, 7 Jan 96 06:26:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYvyz-00038KC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 06:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fansari@berlin.snafu.de Subject: Receiving mails Date: Sun, 07 Jan 96 14:59:12 PDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 06:29:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04122; Sun, 7 Jan 96 06:29:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00154; Sun, 7 Jan 96 06:26:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00147; Sun, 7 Jan 96 06:26:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYvzA-00038MC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 06:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fansari@berlin.snafu.de Subject: Receiving mails Date: Sun, 07 Jan 96 15:01:02 PDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am new under Linux and want to use pine to send and receive messages. But so far I am only able to send them. I am not connected to any LAN. I use TCP/IP with my modem and am connected to my internet provider via SLIP. How can I get the mails which arrived at my provider to my local machine? Perhaps somebody of you is able to help me. Thank you. Frank fansari@berlin.snafu.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 09:08:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06237; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:08:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04387; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:01:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04381; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:01:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYyRr-00038CC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 08:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Yossi Klein Subject: 3.92 Wish List Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:26:10 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I know that 3.92 is probably close to being "set in stone". I wonder if these items have been fixed or enhanced. 1. 'pine' takes messages forwarded from Sun's 'mailtool' and splits it up into 2 messages. (Is this a pine problem or a mailtool problem)? 2. When responding to a mail message, if you do a ^J to justify your message, it justifies the included text in the original message. 'To Spell', ^T, seems to be smart enough not to check spelling on the included text; why can't 'justify' be just as smart ? 3. When selecting news-groups using a pattern (^X) only one group can be selected for subscription. Since ^X doest take some time, it would be nice to be able to select multiple groups that matched the pattern for subscription. Thanx Joe Klein From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 09:11:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06286; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:11:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01694; Sun, 7 Jan 96 08:58:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01688; Sun, 7 Jan 96 08:58:47 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id IAA22921 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:58:46 -0800 Received: by parr.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA156330; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:56:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:56:25 -0800 (PST) From: Andy McNiece To: pauljr@nceet.snre.umich.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Email Message Databases In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Try the program called glimpse. It builds indices from any database. _____________________________________________________________________________ Andy McNiece, Parr Lumber Co. andym@parr.com 5630 Five Oaks Drive Phone 503-614-2525 Hillsboro, Oregon USA 97124 Fax 503-629-8635 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 09:29:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06533; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:29:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01981; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:21:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01974; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:21:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tYyl2-00038HC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: egilk@sn.no (Egil Kvaleberg) Subject: Re: Receiving mails Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:33:14 GMT Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: fansari@berlin.snafu.de wrote: > I am not connected to any LAN. I use TCP/IP with my modem and > am connected to my internet provider via SLIP. How can I get > the mails which arrived at my provider to my local machine? It depends. But assuming the standard ISP situation, you'll probably have to use the POP-3 protocol to retrieve mail. This is accomplished by the popclient program, e.g: popclient -3 -v mail.my_isp.de -u my_username -p my_password \ -o /usr/spool/mail/my_localname egil -- Email: egilk@sn.no Voice: +47 2252 3641, 920 22780 Fax: +47 2252 5899 Snail: Egil Kvaleberg, Husebybakken 14A, 0379 Oslo, Norway URL: http://www.sn.no/~egilk/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 14:34:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11437; Sun, 7 Jan 96 14:34:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08370; Sun, 7 Jan 96 14:32:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08364; Sun, 7 Jan 96 14:32:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZ3bn-00038CC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 14:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joe Savage Subject: Re: Help with Mail Servers WinNT Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 15:16:47 -0600 Message-Id: <30F0383F.58C2@nttex.com> References: <30EF5309.5690@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: David Looke wrote: > > Can anyone advise me on the best Mail Server for Windows NT? > I am currently running an evaluation copy of post.office and it out performs all the others. It's easy to setup and administer and I would recommend it highly for a small to medium size lan. -joe- -- **** Joe Savage, Microsoft Certified Professional **** **** New Tech Computers **** **** Austin, Texas -- God's Country **** **** jsavage@nttex.com **** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 15:28:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12168; Sun, 7 Jan 96 15:28:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06510; Sun, 7 Jan 96 15:22:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06504; Sun, 7 Jan 96 15:22:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZ4Ma-00038CC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 15:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: langs@charm.psc.sc.edu (David Langs) Subject: Pine for the Macintosh? Date: 7 Jan 1996 20:10:31 GMT Message-Id: <4cp9bn$iot@redwood.cs.sc.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi: We have both Unix machines and Macs in our lab, and I have just recently installed pine on our Unix machines, and so far I like it. I find the IMAP feature intriguing. It would be nice if people who have Macs in their offices could remotely access their mail folders on the Unix machines, but I have so far not been able to find a version of Pine for the Macintosh. Does such a thing exist, and if so where can I get it? If not, is there one in the works? This is probably a frequently asked question, but I am new to this group. Thanks. Dave Langs langs@scuch8.psc.sc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 17:13:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13630; Sun, 7 Jan 96 17:13:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10248; Sun, 7 Jan 96 17:07:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10242; Sun, 7 Jan 96 17:07:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZ5zX-00038HC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 17:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: master@micro.internexus.net (Laszlo Vecsey) Subject: Outgoing addressbook mail w/o CC's Date: 7 Jan 1996 23:44:27 GMT Message-Id: <4cplsr$9l9@micro.internexus.net> Status: O X-Status: How do I send a message to everyone on my mailing list without having a huge To: field listing everyone on the list? First off it's annoying to receive such a message because you have to scroll down so far to get to it, and secondly I'd rather not have everyone on the list know who else is on the list. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 17:29:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13878; Sun, 7 Jan 96 17:29:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10492; Sun, 7 Jan 96 17:25:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10486; Sun, 7 Jan 96 17:25:30 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id RAA15618 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:25:29 -0800 Received: by parr.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA152342; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:39:30 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:39:30 -0800 (PST) From: Andy McNiece To: David Langs Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine for the Macintosh? In-Reply-To: <4cp9bn$iot@redwood.cs.sc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am using Eudora (MAC Version) rather than Pine. It works very well. _____________________________________________________________________________ Andy McNiece, Parr Lumber Co. andym@parr.com 5630 Five Oaks Drive Phone 503-614-2525 Hillsboro, Oregon USA 97124 Fax 503-629-8635 On 7 Jan 1996, David Langs wrote: > Hi: > > We have both Unix machines and Macs in our lab, and I have just recently > installed pine on our Unix machines, and so far I like it. I find the IMAP > feature intriguing. It would be nice if people who have Macs in their > offices could remotely access their mail folders on the Unix machines, but > I have so far not been able to find a version of Pine for the Macintosh. Does > such a thing exist, and if so where can I get it? If not, is there one in > the works? > > This is probably a frequently asked question, but I am new to this group. > > Thanks. > > Dave Langs > langs@scuch8.psc.sc.edu > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 19:08:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15328; Sun, 7 Jan 96 19:08:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09018; Sun, 7 Jan 96 19:02:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09012; Sun, 7 Jan 96 19:02:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZ7n0-00038HC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 18:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lukvdh@tornado.be (Luk Van de Heyning) Subject: Re: Help with Mail Servers WinNT Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 01:49:19 GMT Message-Id: <4cptet$1tj@tornix.tornado.be> References: <30EF5309.5690@compuserve.com> <30F0383F.58C2@nttex.com> Status: O X-Status: Joe Savage wrote: >David Looke wrote: >> >> Can anyone advise me on the best Mail Server for Windows NT? >> >I am currently running an evaluation copy of post.office and it out performs all the >others. It's easy to setup and administer and I would recommend it highly for a small to >medium size lan. Perhaps you could be so kind to let us know where to find it? Any URL to it? Thanks! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 20:41:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16994; Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:41:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12927; Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:37:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12921; Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:37:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZ9Ht-00038CC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Christine Lovejoy Subject: Can Pine automatically file? Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:04:01 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi Can I set up pine to automatically file incoming messaages to folders based on the messages from or subject fields. I know you can do this in elm. Chris lovejoy@fore.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 20:42:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17027; Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:42:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10220; Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:37:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10214; Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:37:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZ9Hv-00038HC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Pine (imapd?) hangs changing message status Date: 4 Jan 1996 07:51:11 GMT Message-Id: <4cg0tf$tt8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: Recently I've been seeing Pine sometimes hang when I go into a folder (most often when it's my sent-mail folder), read a few messages and go back to my INBOX folder. All my mail is being accessed via IMAP. The imapd is the UW imapd included in the distribution of Pine 3.92. The client is Pine 3.92. Both are running on RS/6000 AIX 4 boxes. The hang lasts from three to ten minutes. While the hang is going on, memstat, iostat, vmstat, monitor, and even netstat all look good on both machines. The imapd process (actually rimapd, but I doubt that matters) does not appear to use any CPU (at least, from a ps listing) for the duration of the hang. Usually the hang is with both asterisks visible in the upper-left corner of the Pine screen, sometimes with neither. I have not seen it hang with but a single asterisk. The hang only occurs when I have changed the status of a message. I have also seen this hang occur immediately upon viewing a message in my sent-mail folder (which removes the "new" flag). Usually, however, it does not occur until I attempt to close sent-mail and go back to my INBOX. If I cd to my ~/mail directory on the IMAP server machine and attempt to do anything to read the files in that directory (ls, cat, vi, whatever) the command hangs until Pine finishes hanging. The moment Pine finishes hanging, the ls, cat, tail, or whatever abrubtly resumes. Has anyone seen this behavior before? Do you know what to do about it? -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris/ System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 21:20:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17485; Sun, 7 Jan 96 21:20:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13426; Sun, 7 Jan 96 21:18:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13420; Sun, 7 Jan 96 21:17:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZ9xB-00038CC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 21:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hank@bom.gov.au (Hank de Wit) Subject: Setting the Reply-to: field Date: 8 Jan 1996 04:37:48 GMT Message-Id: <4cq72sINNt4k@meteorology.ho.BoM.GOV.AU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Is there anyway of configuring pine to set and send a Reply-To: header as in the following example. Using SUN Select Mail --------------------- Return-Path: Received: from sarcm1.sa.bom.gov.au by saserver.sa.bom.gov.au. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29930; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:51:58 +1030 From: hdewit@saserver.sa.bom.gov.au (Hank de Wit) To: hank Subject: test Reply-To: H.deWit@bom.gov.au Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 04:22: 4 GMT Message-Id: <9601080422.042E7C@sarcm1.sa.bom.gov.au> X-Mailer: E-Mail 1.7 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 356 Status: Using Pine 3.91 --------------- Return-Path: Received: by saserver.sa.bom.gov.au. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29907; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:46:49 +1030 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:46:49 +1030 (CST) From: "Hank de_Wit (SA Computing)" To: Hank de_Wit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 359 Status: Thanks in advance. ================================================================= Hank de Wit ph: (08) 366 2274 Computer Manager fx: (08) 362 0570 South Australian Regional Office Bureau of Meteorology internet: h.dewit@bom.gov.au ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 22:31:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18509; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:31:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11510; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:28:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11504; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:28:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZB0c-00038CC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@cal052012.student.utwente.nl (Remco van de Meent) Subject: Re: saving e-mail on my disk Date: 7 Jan 1996 18:40:49 GMT Message-Id: <4cp43h$bsn@driene.student.utwente.nl> References: <4cjjsv$eto@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Status: O X-Status: Daniel Stern (stern@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote on 5 Jan 1996 16:33:35 GMT: > Good morning. Does anyone know how I can save my e-mail on a floppy disk? > I use pine. It's evening right now :-) What O.S. are you using? If you're using Linux, then mount the floppy drive: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t msdos then goto your mail-dir: cd ~/mail and copy the file saved-messages to /mnt/floppy You have to save the messages in pine!!! -- Remco van de Meent. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 22:58:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19036; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:58:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14639; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:55:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14633; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:55:24 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18996; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:55:14 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David Langs Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine for the Macintosh? In-Reply-To: <4cp9bn$iot@redwood.cs.sc.edu> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Dave, See http://www.washington.edu/imap or ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.software for a list of IMAP software we know about, including Mac clients. We have a feasibility study underway for a Mac Pine, but it's too soon to predict the outcome. -teg On 7 Jan 1996, David Langs wrote: > Hi: > > We have both Unix machines and Macs in our lab, and I have just recently > installed pine on our Unix machines, and so far I like it. I find the IMAP > feature intriguing. It would be nice if people who have Macs in their > offices could remotely access their mail folders on the Unix machines, but > I have so far not been able to find a version of Pine for the Macintosh. Does > such a thing exist, and if so where can I get it? If not, is there one in > the works? > > This is probably a frequently asked question, but I am new to this group. > > Thanks. > > Dave Langs > langs@scuch8.psc.sc.edu > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 23:49:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19954; Sun, 7 Jan 96 23:49:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15193; Sun, 7 Jan 96 23:47:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [129.179.17.11] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15187; Sun, 7 Jan 96 23:47:31 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 8 Jan 96 15:46:57 +0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:46:56 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Christine Lovejoy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can Pine automatically file? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Christine Lovejoy wrote: > Can I set up pine to automatically file > incoming messaages to folders based on the messages > from or subject fields. I know you can do this > in elm. Well, it can't be done with elm alone. You need to configure "filter" from the elm distribution. You can continue to use "filter" from the elm distribution to filter your mail. The only thing that you have to be concerned with is that elm/filter stores incoming mail in a $HOME/Mail directory as the default while pine use $HOME/mail. Another alternative would be to use procmail. Someone had recently posted the location of the filter-FAQ...if you using the newsgroups to access this you can check the archives. Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 7 23:53:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20014; Sun, 7 Jan 96 23:53:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12500; Sun, 7 Jan 96 23:50:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [129.179.17.11] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12494; Sun, 7 Jan 96 23:50:54 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 8 Jan 96 15:50:24 +0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:50:24 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Hank de Wit Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Setting the Reply-to: field In-Reply-To: <4cq72sINNt4k@meteorology.ho.BoM.GOV.AU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 8 Jan 1996, Hank de Wit wrote: > Is there anyway of configuring pine to set and send a Reply-To: header as > in the following example. If you are using 3.9X....and we hope you are...you can go to the setup/config menu and find the item "customized-hdrs" and enter the Reply-To: field as you have indicated. Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 00:22:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20516; Mon, 8 Jan 96 00:22:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15522; Mon, 8 Jan 96 00:13:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15516; Mon, 8 Jan 96 00:13:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZCgN-00038HC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 00:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yincait@crash.cts.com (Brian Skowron) Subject: repeat/missing lines in index Date: 8 Jan 1996 07:11:34 GMT Message-Id: <4cqg36$k5b@news3.cts.com> Status: O X-Status: > I get repeat/missing lines in the Pine program. When I first open MAIL > usually as I scroll up the index duplicate lines appear until I scroll > down again--then the extras disappear. Also, in the index the top line of > the first page is repeated as the top line of the second page. > As I choose O OTHER COMMANDS the sets of commands are repeated at bottom > of screen again... > > The Ctrl-L (REPAINT SCREEN) command has ne effect on this. Neither does > reconfiguring my Practical Peripherals 14.4 MacClass modem. I have been > asking my provider support about this for over a year now. We tried some > UNIX commands at login that improved it somewhat but the basic problem > remains. >It is NOT a terminal emulation problem. I'm set to VT100.... > I use a Mac Centris 610 24/340 and ZTerm 0.9. > > Mr. Gray (Terry Gray ) suggested the following: "check the number of lines and columns on both ends (Zterm and Unix). If they are both 24x80, try setting the ZTerm terminal window size to 25 or more rows." I don't understand this. Brian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 01:37:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22357; Mon, 8 Jan 96 01:37:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13685; Mon, 8 Jan 96 01:33:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13679; Mon, 8 Jan 96 01:33:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZDss-00038CC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 01:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tommy Quitt Subject: Re: Folder in PINE 3.91 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:48:22 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4cee6b$f8f@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4cee6b$f8f@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Luis Montenegro wrote: > Date: Wed, 03 JAN 96 17:24:32 GMT > From: Luis Montenegro > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Folder in PINE 3.91 > > Hello. I created a folder "x" in PINE but I don't know how to leave messages in that folder or how > to transfer messages to that folder. > Thank you for your help, Luis. > Use the "save" command. Good luck, Tommy -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tommy Quitt tommyq@math.tau.ac.il home page: http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~tommyq -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 02:07:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22934; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:07:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16841; Mon, 8 Jan 96 01:58:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16821; Mon, 8 Jan 96 01:58:44 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:56:18 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA25156; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:56:18 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:56:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: SUZANNE FORTIN Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: help-- error message In-Reply-To: <4ckkk0$ep5@athena.ulaval.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The chances are very high that this error message actually originates from the Usenet News server you are using, and Pine is merely reporting to you the error message the news server reported to it. This type of message occurs when the news server's disk where articles are stored becomes full. When this happens you can still read news from the server, but it will not accept new articles being posted to it (and new articles from other linked servers will also be suspended). When some disk space is released, typically by the overnight clean-up job or the News Administrator person leaping into action, the server will again start accepting articles from people. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 6 Jan 1996, SUZANNE FORTIN wrote: > Hi > > I'm curious. I was in my mail reader, reading the newsgroups to which I > subscribe. I tried posting, but an error message came up: "error-- no > space left on device writing article". The message did not post. > > What does that mean? How can I fix the problem? > > I can post with my USENET reader, except it's just a little bit more of a > pain to go to USENET. > > > Please e-mail me. > > Thank you very kindly. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Suzanne Fortin | > undergraduate student | Editor of *Minerva* a diminutive e-mail zine > history | of poetry and opinion. The Winter 1996 issue > Laval University | is out. E-mail me for a free copy. Submission > Ste-Foy, PQ, Canada | guidelines included. > aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca | > __________________________________________________________________________ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 02:12:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23029; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:12:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16801; Mon, 8 Jan 96 01:56:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16793; Mon, 8 Jan 96 01:56:00 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:52:27 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA24799; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:52:54 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:52:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Patrick Schoenbach Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sending attached files In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yes, it is possible ... but not automatcially. You need to: 1. UUencode your file. 2. Run Pine and start composing your message. 3. Place your cursor in the message body then read in the UUencoded file (by typing ^R followed by the filename). Files included into the message body in this way are not automatically encoded using Base64 or Quoted Printable (unless they have even one "funny" character or exceedingly long lines). Files included by naming in the "Attachment" field are *always* encoded using Base64. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Patrick Schoenbach wrote: > Hi there, > > is it possible to use uuencode instead of base64-encoding for attached > files? If so, how could I do this? > > Bye. > -- > ----------------------------------- > E-Mail: pschoenb@composer.mayn.de > ----------------------------------- > PGP Public Key available > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 02:16:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23101; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:16:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14201; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:07:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14189; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:07:39 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:06:02 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id KAA27055; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:06:41 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:06:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: "P.H. Van broekhoven" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: random .signature files In-Reply-To: <4cl0l1$rgr@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: It isn't possible in Pine 3.91 (unless you dive in and modify your local copy of the source code and recompile!). However I *think* I heard a rumour that this may be in Pine 3.92 (don't hold me to this as I may be wrong). Personally I would prefer to see automatic use of local/remote signature files instead of the frill of random ones ... but then I may be old fashioned in thinking that the _content_ of a message is more important than the signature. :-) Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 6 Jan 1996, P.H. Van broekhoven wrote: > > Is it possible (and if so how) to have PINE generate a random .signature? > > IE, everytime I compose a message, it pulls out a random quote (or other > bit of text) from a list. > > Thanks. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 02:50:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23583; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:50:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17356; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:43:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17350; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:43:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZF2r-00038CC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: I have new mail (I dont) Date: 8 Jan 1996 10:06:50 GMT Message-Id: <4cqqbq$mms@fu-berlin.de> References: Status: O X-Status: "G. Harney" writes: >whenever i send a message to anybody in pine and then exit, my shell (?) >tells me ; "You have new mail in /usr/mail/gharney" when in fact the user >that I just sent the mail to should be getting that message, not me. Well, what do you expect when you send the mail "to anybody *in* Pine"? Maybe sending mail *out* helps. ;-) >Does pine remove and then recreate the system mailbox from the copy it uses >(and modifies) while you are reading mail, appending any new mail which may >have come in? Yes, new mail is appended to your mailbox (file). That's why it is called a mailbox, see? >If so this may explain it, since then bash sees a completely new file, >and could be excused for thinking that it was all new mail. No, your shell does not see a new file, but it notices that time stamp (and the size) of your mailbox (as given by $MAIL) has changed. Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 03:05:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23805; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:05:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14649; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:53:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14643; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:53:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZFA0-00038HC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Outgoing addressbook mail w/o CC's Date: 8 Jan 1996 10:09:56 GMT Message-Id: <4cqqhk$mnj@fu-berlin.de> References: <4cplsr$9l9@micro.internexus.net> Status: O X-Status: master@micro.internexus.net (Laszlo Vecsey) writes: >How do I send a message to everyone on my mailing list without having a >huge To: field listing everyone on the list? Put the addresses onto the Bcc line! >First off it's annoying to receive such a message because you have to scroll >down so far to get to it, and secondly I'd rather not have everyone on the >list know who else is on the list. Exactly! This is described in more detail on page http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/elm.alias.faq.html Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 03:29:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24223; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:29:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14934; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:18:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14928; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:18:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZFXn-00038HC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Can Pine automatically file? Date: 8 Jan 1996 09:56:41 GMT Message-Id: <4cqpop$mdd@fu-berlin.de> References: Status: O X-Status: Christine Lovejoy writes: >Can I set up pine to automatically file incoming messaages to folders based >on the messages from or subject fields. I know you can do this in elm. You can use ELM's "filter" to filter your mail as mail readers are independent of the filter you use. For more info please read this page: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/pine/filtering.email.html Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 03:31:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24328; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:31:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17744; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:18:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17738; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:18:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZFXL-00038CC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 03:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Terminal lines and columns Date: 8 Jan 1996 10:23:19 GMT Message-Id: <4cqran$n3h@fu-berlin.de> References: <4cqg36$k5b@news3.cts.com> Status: O X-Status: yincait@crash.cts.com (Brian Skowron) writes: >"check the number of lines and columns on both ends (Zterm and Unix). >If they are both 24x80, try setting the ZTerm terminal window size to >25 or more rows." >I don't understand this. Let me present you a model od terminals which hopefully explains this: A terminal is a "window" which can only show characters in a grid given by columns and lines. The window used on your machine as displayed by your terminal program (T) must "match" the window as given by the host you connect to (H). If the number of lines and columns do not match then you will see garbish. Example: Assume that T uses lines=25 and columns=80, but H has been set to lines=24 and columns=80. When T receives another line to print in lines 25 it will overwrite line 25. On H however there is no line 25, so it will move to line 1 and overwrite that one. There are lots more problems as terminals use different codes like "jump to position" and "clear line" etc. Therefore you must make sure that ther terminals "match". To see which terminal is used on a UNIX machine use the command "stty" (set teletype). Welcome to the world of great ideas and incompatibilities! :-) Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 05:10:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27408; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:10:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19294; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:04:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19288; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:04:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZHBO-00038CC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: apattser@mozart.inet.co.th (Apatt Seriniyom) Subject: Attachment: a newbie writes Date: 8 Jan 1996 11:47:49 GMT Message-Id: <4cr095$5tl@senior.nectec.or.th> Status: O X-Status: I've only been on the internet for about a week. Can somebody please tell me how do I attach a file (such as MS Word's .DOC or .WKS) to my outgoing e-mail using PIne (which is my server's e-mail program). Also somebody sent me a file attached to an e-mail how do I extract or decode it. Thank you very much. Apatt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 05:31:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27731; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:31:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16760; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:19:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16754; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:19:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZHQy-00038CC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nebojsa@argos.tel.hr (Nebojsa Hrmic) Subject: Pine reading /usr/spool/pop/user Date: 8 Jan 1996 11:35:02 GMT Message-Id: <4cqvh6$dv0@bagan.srce.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hello! Does anyone know how to make pine (or elm) reading pop mail on osf1. On my system I have osf1 POP server installed and problem seems to be that owner of pop maildrops is user pop, which makes pine unable to read it. Nebojsa Hrmic nebojsa.hrmic@tel.hr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 06:17:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28580; Mon, 8 Jan 96 06:17:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19993; Mon, 8 Jan 96 06:06:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from acs.stritch.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19983; Mon, 8 Jan 96 06:06:14 -0800 Received: by acs.stritch.edu; id AA15391; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:05:54 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:05:53 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Esten To: Brian Skowron Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: repeat/missing lines in index In-Reply-To: <4cqg36$k5b@news3.cts.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: ....you're looking at a known bug in the terminal emulation in Zterm .9. In your terminal setup, there is a dialog box which lets you set the lines. It's been a while since I've seen a Mac of any flavor, but I recall that it defaults to 25 lines and you must reset it to 24. ....better yet, get a newer Zterm. .9 went away more than a year ago! __| \ \ / __| _ \ _ \ Jim Esten sysop@acs.stritch.edu \__ \ \ / \__ \ ( | __/ \____/ _| \____/ \___/ _| "In the beginning was the word, _____________________________ and the word was ..... adjust" ....also at jesten@msn.com ....find me on the web at http://www.stritch.edu/sysop/home.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 10:01:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07516; Mon, 8 Jan 96 10:01:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24776; Mon, 8 Jan 96 09:47:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shrike.depaul.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24765; Mon, 8 Jan 96 09:47:04 -0800 Received: (jgordon@localhost) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.6.10/8.5) id LAA07844; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:39:51 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:39:51 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey D Gordon To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine for UnixWare 2.01 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi: David L. Miller of pine suggested I write you an email. I am having the 'darndest' time trying to get pine to run on our Unixware 2.01 box. I was hoping you could rescue me! I've tried downloading from your Pine Server, I've bought a CD Rom with Pine on in (Internet Tools), copied pine from another System V server...and none of them work. Could you tell me if pine will run uner Unixware 2 and where I can get it and how to install it. Pine is the BEST email program around...I glad it is free but in all fairness you should start charging for it....it is great!!!! Thank you....Jeff Gordon.... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 13:13:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16576; Mon, 8 Jan 96 13:13:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28075; Mon, 8 Jan 96 13:05:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28069; Mon, 8 Jan 96 13:05:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZOg6-00038CC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 13:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine for the Macintosh? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:12:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4cp9bn$iot@redwood.cs.sc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4cp9bn$iot@redwood.cs.sc.edu> Status: O X-Status: We are currently doing experiments to "determine the feasibility of a Mac port." A Mac port of Pine, if one is released, would be very much like Windows Pine -- that is, it would be text-oriented with only a minimal amount of GUI features (some menu and mouse action). The goal is to keep the Pine interface more or less constant across ports. There are also native IMAP clients for the Mac such as Mailstrom and MailDrop. I like MailDrop a lot, and I expect to see a demonstration of the latest Mailstrom later today. See ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.software for more information about these and other clients. On 7 Jan 1996, David Langs wrote: > We have both Unix machines and Macs in our lab, and I have just recently > installed pine on our Unix machines, and so far I like it. I find the IMAP > feature intriguing. It would be nice if people who have Macs in their > offices could remotely access their mail folders on the Unix machines, but > I have so far not been able to find a version of Pine for the Macintosh. Does > such a thing exist, and if so where can I get it? If not, is there one in > the works? -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 14:34:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21292; Mon, 8 Jan 96 14:34:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02605; Mon, 8 Jan 96 14:20:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02598; Mon, 8 Jan 96 14:20:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZPut-00038CC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 14:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pauljr@nceet.snre.umich.edu (Paul Nowak) Subject: Re: Email Message Databases Date: 8 Jan 1996 17:28:06 GMT Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: In article, andym@parr.com (Andy McNiece) wrote: > Try the program called glimpse. It builds indices from any database. > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Andy McNiece, Parr Lumber Co. andym@parr.com > 5630 Five Oaks Drive Phone 503-614-2525 > Hillsboro, Oregon USA 97124 Fax 503-629-8635 Andy, Thanks for the info. I took a look at this and, while it seems like a powerful indexing tool across files, it does not seem to have the ability to create the type of output (I'm looking to create a viewable directory or a text file) I'm looking for. Thanks. Any other ideas out there? Paul Nowak pauljr@nceet.snre.umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 17:22:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28959; Mon, 8 Jan 96 17:22:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05138; Mon, 8 Jan 96 17:15:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05132; Mon, 8 Jan 96 17:15:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZScZ-00038HC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 17:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mbweiss@scws38.harvard.edu (Mitchell Weiss) Subject: Pine parser Date: 8 Jan 1996 20:36:33 GMT Message-Id: <4crv8h$fd3@decaxp.harvard.edu> Status: O X-Status: I am looking for a parser for e-mail. If anyone knows of one...please help. I want to read through e-mail and find the new incoming and new outgoing and get tthe to addresses and the dates. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 18:07:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00590; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:07:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08274; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:00:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08268; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:00:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZTIp-00038HC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 17:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: whamblen@acsu.buffalo.edu (William D. Hamblen) Subject: [Q] ANSI printing w/Pine and Win95 telnet? Date: 8 Jan 1996 19:48:10 GMT Message-Id: <4crsdq$g6f@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Status: O X-Status: Has anyone found a telnet client that runs reliably under Windows 95 *and* supports the attached-to-ansi printing in Pine (UNIX 3.91)? My boss just upgraded to Windows 95 (after I told him I didn't know enough to support it yet) and is now upset because he can't print his email messages anymore. Everything worked fine under Windows for Workgroups using Novell's Lan Workplace for Windows telnet program. I've tried two telnet programs in 95 so far (the built-in one, and something that's part of a package called EXceed) without any luck. Anyone... ? Thanks in advance for any help. Bill Hamblen -- Bill Hamblen whamblen@acsu.buffalo.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 18:07:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00601; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:07:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08282; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:00:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08276; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:00:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZTJ6-00038MC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 17:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jfrohm@alpha.delta.edu (Johanna Frohm) Subject: Extracting From: address to Address list Date: 8 Jan 1996 15:09:43 -0500 Message-Id: <4crtm7$3ms@alpha.delta.edu> Status: O X-Status: When a message is received from an individual, is there a way to add that single address to a list in a personal addressbook? I tried this awhile back. If there were multiple addresses, it seemed to work. How is it done, or can it be done, for a single address? I'm using Pine 3.91. Thank you in advance. Johanna =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Johanna Frohm jfrohm@alpha.delta.edu http://www.delta.edu/~jfrohm From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 18:10:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00698; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:10:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06086; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:00:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06080; Mon, 8 Jan 96 18:00:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZTJ6-00038KC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 17:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: C Lance Moxley Subject: Re: [Q] ANSI printing w/Pine and Win95 telnet? Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 14:17:46 -0600 Message-Id: <30F17BEA.41C6@uiuc.edu> References: <4crsdq$g6f@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: William D. Hamblen wrote: > > Has anyone found a telnet client that runs reliably under Windows 95 > *and* supports the attached-to-ansi printing in Pine (UNIX 3.91)? My > boss just upgraded to Windows 95 (after I told him I didn't know > enough to support it yet) and is now upset because he can't print his > email messages anymore. Just use PC-Pine. I've been using it with Win95 since early last summer without any glitches at all. -- C Lance Moxley E-Mail: clm@uiuc.edu University of Illinois FAX: 217 244-1279 Urbana - Champaign URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/clm From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 19:37:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02618; Mon, 8 Jan 96 19:37:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07610; Mon, 8 Jan 96 19:30:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07604; Mon, 8 Jan 96 19:30:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZUit-00038HC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 19:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sjk@cisco.com (Scott J. Kramer) Subject: displaying X-Face headers? Date: 08 Jan 1996 13:42:19 -0800 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: A Pine user here asks if there'a any way to display the X-Face headers contained on some messages. Like with most MUA's, the only way to do it would seem to be by piping the message to a program that extracts the header(s) for input to the appropriate viewer. Has anyone created a script for doing this on UNIX? Please respond via e-mail since I don't read this newsgroup. Thanx, -sjk -- Scott J. Kramer Cisco Systems, Inc. UNIX Systems Administrator Advanced Customer Systems 170 W. Tasman Drive +1.408.526.8738 San Jose, CA 95134-1706 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 20:28:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03422; Mon, 8 Jan 96 20:28:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10800; Mon, 8 Jan 96 20:16:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10794; Mon, 8 Jan 96 20:16:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZVRj-00038RC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 20:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mflll@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dr. Laurence Leff) Subject: pager in pine Date: 8 Jan 1996 16:29:49 -0600 Message-Id: <4cs5st$554@ecom2.ecn.bgu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to turn of f the integrated pager in pine. I have someone who just wants their mail to be fed to them continuously. They don't want a more prompt. They have their capture set to retrieve their materials. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 22:04:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05178; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:04:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09664; Mon, 8 Jan 96 21:52:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09655; Mon, 8 Jan 96 21:52:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZWta-00038HC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 21:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mreiser@netcom.com (Matthew Reiser) Subject: [Q] pine 3.91 hangs while spellchecker idle. Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:06:15 GMT Status: O X-Status: Oh great pine gurus, I humbly kneel and implore your assistance: Been running 3.91 on SunOS 4.1.3_U1 for 1 year. Runs great except: During a spell-check, if no keystrokes are entered for 10-20 seconds, pine seems to freak out. It prints 'Killed' and dies to a shell prompt. In fact the entire telnet session is frozen (neither ^C nor ^Z revive it). Disk space and ps table are ok. Checked perms on /tmp and /var/tmp. They seem ok: drwxrwsrwt 4 bin staff 512 Jan 8 13:52 /tmp drwxrwsrwx 2 bin staff 512 Jan 8 13:49 /var/tmp Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas? Might pine 3.92 solve it? -- Matthew Reiser, mreiser@netcom.com /\_/\ ( o.o ) A sense of humor keen enough to show a man his own > ~ < absurdities will keep him from the commission of all sins, or nearly all, save those that are worth committing. -- Samuel Butler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 8 22:55:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06211; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:55:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10419; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:44:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10413; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:44:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25393; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:44:12 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:44:12 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Mike Brudenell Cc: "P.H. Van broekhoven" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: random .signature files In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > It isn't possible in Pine 3.91 (unless you dive in and modify your local > copy of the source code and recompile!). > > However I *think* I heard a rumour that this may be in Pine 3.92 (don't > hold me to this as I may be wrong). Nope, no signature handling changes in store that I can think of. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 9 01:31:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09225; Tue, 9 Jan 96 01:31:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14801; Tue, 9 Jan 96 01:16:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14795; Tue, 9 Jan 96 01:16:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZa9r-00038HC; Tue, 9 Jan 96 01:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Can Pine automatically file? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:44:23 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Christine Lovejoy wrote: > Can I set up pine to automatically file > incoming messaages to folders based on the messages > from or subject fields. I know you can do this > in elm. If you are using Unix Pine, you can use procmail or filter to prefile incoming messages into folders which Pine can then read. Nancy McGough has a lot of good material on this. If you have a Web browser, look at my home page and follow the link to Nancy's pages. (You will have to follow down several links to get to the material on mail filtering.) Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 9 04:21:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12657; Tue, 9 Jan 96 04:21:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14349; Tue, 9 Jan 96 04:07:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14343; Tue, 9 Jan 96 04:06:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZcmM-00038HC; Tue, 9 Jan 96 04:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@cal052012.student.utwente.nl (Remco van de Meent) Subject: Re: Attachment: a newbie writes Date: 9 Jan 1996 01:19:19 GMT Message-Id: <4csfqn$q56@driene.student.utwente.nl> References: <4cr095$5tl@senior.nectec.or.th> Status: O X-Status: Apatt Seriniyom (apattser@mozart.inet.co.th) wrote on 8 Jan 1996 11:47:49 GMT: > I've only been on the internet for about a week. Can somebody please tell > me how do I attach a file (such as MS Word's .DOC or .WKS) to my outgoing > e-mail using PIne (which is my server's e-mail program). Also somebody > sent me a file attached to an e-mail how do I extract or decode it. > Watch the status lines! So you'd use + -- Remco van de Meent. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 9 11:54:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16079; Tue, 9 Jan 96 11:54:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19106; Tue, 9 Jan 96 07:07:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19100; Tue, 9 Jan 96 07:07:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tZfZo-00038HC; Tue, 9 Jan 96 07:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joe Savage Subject: Re: Help with Mail Servers WinNT Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 06:55:29 -0600 Message-Id: <30F265C1.4D0@nttex.com> References: <30EF5309.5690@compuserve.com> <30F0383F.58C2@nttex.com> <4cptet$1tj@tornix.tornado.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Luk Van de Heyning wrote: > > Joe Savage wrote: > > >David Looke wrote: > >> > >> Can anyone advise me on the best Mail Server for Windows NT? > >> > > >I am currently running an evaluation copy of post.office and it out performs all the > >others. It's easy to setup and administer and I would recommend it highly for a small to > >medium size lan. > > Perhaps you could be so kind to let us know where to find it? Any URL > to it? > > Thanks! Sure can -- http://www.software.com/Product_Info/Product_Info.html -joe- -- **** Joe Savage, Microsoft Certified Professional **** **** New Tech Computers **** **** Austin, Texas -- God's Country **** **** jsavage@nttex.com **** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 9 12:37:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29039; Tue, 9 Jan 96 12:37:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27650; Tue, 9 Jan 96 12:25:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hyak.amath.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27644; Tue, 9 Jan 96 12:25:53 -0800 Received: by hyak.amath.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.21 ) id AA10169; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:25:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:25:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Stern To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: reading digests with PINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Dear piney-folks: I get a 30,000 -- 50,000 character e-mail digest each week from a mailing list I subscribe to. Does pine have a way of viewing a digest as a list of separate letters in a folder? It would make forwarding or saving sections of it easier. Thanks, =========================================> Dept. of Applied Mathematics Ted Stern (206) 685-9304 University of Washington stern@amath.washington.edu Box 352420 http://www.amath.washington.edu/~stern/ Seattle, WA 98195-2420 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 9 16:00:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09431; Tue, 9 Jan 96 16:00:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03928; Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:52:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03922; Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:52:56 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07012; Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:52:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Yossi Klein Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 3.92 Wish List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Yossi Klein wrote: > 1. 'pine' takes messages forwarded from Sun's 'mailtool' and splits it up > into 2 messages. (Is this a pine problem or a mailtool problem)? > This is a matter of considerable debate. For more information, see the Pine FAQ, http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq.mbox > 2. When responding to a mail message, if you do a ^J to justify your > message, it justifies the included text in the original message. 'To > Spell', ^T, seems to be smart enough not to check spelling on the > included text; why can't 'justify' be just as smart ? > Pine 3.92 will understand included text; at least to some degree... > 3. When selecting news-groups using a pattern (^X) only one group can be > selected for subscription. Since ^X doest take some time, it would be > nice to be able to select multiple groups that matched the pattern for > subscription. > This will be available in 3.92. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 10 07:50:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07340; Wed, 10 Jan 96 07:50:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17159; Wed, 10 Jan 96 07:37:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from offsv1.cis.McMaster.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17153; Wed, 10 Jan 96 07:37:28 -0800 Received: (from cseeley@localhost) by offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA11785; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:37:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:37:23 -0500 (EST) From: Carolynn Seeley To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PINE for solaris x86 where??? (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am getting really worried about some problems we are experiencing with PINE since I upgraded to PINE 3.91. 1. Our main campus email server, a SUN OS 5.4, was upgraded to PINE 3.91 and people are now LOSING MAIL. Looking at the last message in their INBOX we have found a TAB, Ctrl/Z, or Octal 177 character in a line by itself at the end of the message. Following that there are multi messages tagged on the end of this last message that never show up in the INBOX. PLUS This last message just keeps growing and adding messages. Once the mail recipient realizes that something is funny, usually by printing his last message which lists ALL the messages, he notifies us. We can then edit the INBOX and remove the offending character. 2. I just received this NEW message (see below). It shows in my INBOX with a date of xxx 13. When I look at the message, a question mark shows in front of the date 13 Feb 94. Note when I forwarded the message the '?' changed to a '^T' . We upgraded to PINE 3.91 on a Sun OS 4.1.4 after running PINE 3.89 for a long time with no problems. This server only has a few users so the volume isn't there to generate the problems such as I'm getting on the main campus email server. Can someone PLEASE help. I will be forced to revert back to PINE 3.89 if we can't resolve this problem soon. Does anyone have any ideas at all? Thanks for your help. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca PINE Administrator CIS, McMaster University, Hamilton, CANADA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date:  13 Feb 94 18:25:15 CST From: safergus@csipros.com To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PINE for solaris x86 where??? Greetings, I'm trying to obtain the pine binary compiled for solaris on Intel (x86). Does ANYONE know where I could ftp this from??? Better yet, if someone could mail it to me, I would be extremely grateful. THANKS A TON! Scot safergus@csipros.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 10 13:25:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23540; Wed, 10 Jan 96 13:25:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26971; Wed, 10 Jan 96 13:22:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26965; Wed, 10 Jan 96 13:22:08 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28713; Wed, 10 Jan 96 13:22:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Reply-To: David L Miller To: Carolynn Seeley Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, safergus@csipros.com Subject: Re: PINE for solaris x86 where??? (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Carolynn Seeley wrote: > I am getting really worried about some problems we are experiencing with > PINE since I upgraded to PINE 3.91. > > 1. Our main campus email server, a SUN OS 5.4, was upgraded to PINE 3.91 > and people are now LOSING MAIL. Looking at the last message in their > INBOX we have found a TAB, Ctrl/Z, or Octal 177 character in a line by > itself at the end of the message. Following that there are multi messages > tagged on the end of this last message that never show up in the INBOX. > PLUS This last message just keeps growing and adding messages. Once the mail > recipient realizes that something is funny, usually by printing his last > message which lists ALL the messages, he notifies us. We can then edit the > INBOX and remove the offending character. > Is there any possibility the folder was accessed from a PC via NFS or otherwise changed by something other than Pine or the usual delivery agent? > > 2. I just received this NEW message (see below). It shows in my INBOX with a > date of xxx 13. When I look at the message, a question mark shows in front > of the date 13 Feb 94. Note when I forwarded the message the '?' changed to > a '^T' . We upgraded to PINE 3.91 on a Sun OS 4.1.4 after > running PINE 3.89 for a long time with no problems. This server only has a few > users so the volume isn't there to generate the problems such as I'm > getting on the main campus email server. > I see the same thing. The sender of that message apparently has a broken mailer or cc:Mail gaqteway that is sending bogus date headers... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 10 17:19:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04962; Wed, 10 Jan 96 17:19:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05740; Wed, 10 Jan 96 17:09:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mason2.gmu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05733; Wed, 10 Jan 96 17:09:01 -0800 Received: by mason2.gmu.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/07Sep94-1001AM/GMUv1) id AA21910; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:09:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:09:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dante Ciolfi X-Sender: dciolfi@mason2.gmu.edu To: Pine-Info Email List Subject: Printing Speed Bump Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi. I am a student at George Mason University in Fairfax, VA/USA. We have an OSF1 operating system (Unix-based). Users in the on-campus computer labs as well as users accessing from their home PC's encounter a problem when printing from Pine - after each print job, a blank sheet of paper is sent through the printer. Is there any way to prevent this from occurring? Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 11 07:45:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25857; Thu, 11 Jan 96 07:45:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15661; Thu, 11 Jan 96 07:27:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.crl.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15655; Thu, 11 Jan 96 07:27:52 -0800 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA28846 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:25:36 -0800 Received: by crl.crl.com id AA29059 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:17:04 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: "J.M. Ivler (Infobahn Xpress)" X-Sender: ivler@crl.crl.com To: Terry Gray Cc: "J.M. Ivler" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: To the developers... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Read-Receipt-To: ivler@crl.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Terry Gray > To: "J.M. Ivler" > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: To the developers... > > > On 21 Oct 1995, J.M. Ivler wrote: > > > So, when is the next release? > > Getting closer. Closer to what? 1997? ;-} note the smiley.... anyway, any idea on when this may actually happen? You can even give the answer in weeks, months, years, decades... ;-} ***** J.M. Ivler E-mail address by preference: ivler@i-xpress.com Infobahn Xpress ivler@crl.com Los Alamitos, CA PGP Public Key Available: finger ivler@crl.com (310) 596 3753 URL: http://www.crl.com/~ivler/jmi.html WWW-based Solutions; Servers - CGI - HTML, Tcl/Tk, Training and Development Key fingerprint = BB AE BF 61 48 CE 1F 72 F5 C2 92 FE 85 02 A1 44 ***** "It's Time." "Why Not." - _The Wild Bunch_ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 11 11:24:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06272; Thu, 11 Jan 96 11:24:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23815; Thu, 11 Jan 96 11:12:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hercules.baker.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23806; Thu, 11 Jan 96 11:12:02 -0800 Received: by baker.edu (5.0/2.25) id AA00410; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:05:49 +0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:05:49 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Mcintosh X-Sender: mmcint01@hercules To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Help Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 82 Status: O X-Status: Is there any mail I can E-mail through Pine from Baker College in Flint to SVSU? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 11 14:20:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16515; Thu, 11 Jan 96 14:20:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26737; Thu, 11 Jan 96 14:11:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26727; Thu, 11 Jan 96 14:11:34 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA05159; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:11:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:11:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" To: Pine Mailing List Subject: Multiple news sources for NNTP Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I would like to be able to configure TWO or more News hosts...how do I keep their .newsrcs from colliding, since one server may number articles differently than another? Also...how do I set up News collections for more than ONE news server? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Brian P. Hampson Internet : brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, Air(2m/70cm): VE7NNW | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733| |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/----------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 12 04:01:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13821; Fri, 12 Jan 96 04:01:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11593; Fri, 12 Jan 96 03:51:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from KVIANA.KVI.nl by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11587; Fri, 12 Jan 96 03:51:24 -0800 Received: from KVI.nl by KVI.nl (PMDF V5.0-5 #14551) id <01HZX89ZTKV49ZMYF9@KVI.nl>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:50:09 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:50:09 +0100 (MET) From: "Roel Alkema Kernfysisch Versneller Instituut, Groningen" Subject: OpenVMS PMDF folders and PINE To: PINE-INFO@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Cc: ALKEMA@KVI.nl Message-Id: <01HZX89ZTMQQ9ZMYF9@KVI.nl> X-Ps-Qualifiers: /FORM=A4/LEFT_MARGIN=36/TOP_MARGIN=36 X-Vms-To: PINE-INFO@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU X-Vms-Cc: ALKEMA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Hello, About Pine version 3.91 for windows I have tested OpenVMS PMDF IMAP4 by hand with the command: a002 list "" "*" This results in a correctly formed list with all my (remote) folders * LIST (\Noinferiors) NIL MYFOLDER * LIST (\Noinferiors) NIL SCRATCH * LIST (\Noinferiors) NIL PATHWORKS ... A002 OK LIST completed But I can not get PINE to show this list, Is there a workaround or some settings to get these folders from the open VMS system? By the way the INBOX folder works correctly. Please send responses directly, I am not subscribed to this list. Thanks, Roel ================================================================================ Roel D. Alkema Phone : +31 (50) 633617 Kernfysisch Versneller Instituut Fax : +31 (50) 634003 Zernikelaan 25 Surfnet : kviclu::alkema 9747 AA Groningen NL Nederland Internet : alkema@kvi.nl ================================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 12 09:11:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24299; Fri, 12 Jan 96 09:11:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16733; Fri, 12 Jan 96 08:49:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from piggy.harding.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16718; Fri, 12 Jan 96 08:49:19 -0800 Received: from Harding.edu by Harding.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #15069) id <01HZX520F57QAKTIUQ@Harding.edu> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:50:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:50:42 -0500 (CDT) From: knight@Harding.edu Subject: Redefining Pico editor keys To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Hi. Does anybody know if there's ANY way to redefine any of the Pico special editing keys? We have used ^^ (Control-Carrot) for years as a special key to switch sessions on terminals connected to terminal servers. We have just started using Pine on VMS. If a user in Pico enters ^^ the terminal server intercepts it. Changing the special key on all of our terminal servers would be a major undertaking. I've looked through the last years' archives and found several suggestions, but any successful creation of the ^^ keys still ends up with the same result: The terminal server intercepts it. What we really need to do is redefine the 'Mark' key to be something besides ^^. ?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Adrian Knight | Campus Network Manager Harding University | Internet: KNIGHT@HARDING.EDU 900 E. Center, Box 2264 | Phone: (501) 279-4440 Searcy, AR 72149-0001 | FAX: (501) 279-4600 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 12 09:25:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25060; Fri, 12 Jan 96 09:25:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17500; Fri, 12 Jan 96 09:09:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cariari.ucr.ac.cr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17486; Fri, 12 Jan 96 09:08:52 -0800 Received: (from delacruz@localhost) by cariari.ucr.ac.cr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA52385 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:05:59 -0600 From: "Yalena De La Cruz F." Message-Id: <199601121705.LAA52385@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> Subject: info To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:05:58 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 419 Status: O X-Status: I need some information about pine. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dra. Yalena de la Cruz delacruz@cariari.ucr.ac.cr Apartado postal 640-2050 Tel. Fax 283-5220 San Pedro, Costa Rica Tel. 259-7707 ================================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 12 11:17:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00804; Fri, 12 Jan 96 11:17:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20891; Fri, 12 Jan 96 11:10:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from aurora.cstp.umkc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20885; Fri, 12 Jan 96 11:10:50 -0800 Received: by aurora.cstp.umkc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/20Dec94-0832AM) id AA11309; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:10:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:10:49 -0600 (CST) From: Anuj Agrawal To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Bug (ID S80WL): Error whilst opening folders. (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-106775614-818869814=:7815" Content-Id: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-106775614-818869814=:7815 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Hi, i've read the FAQ on Folder Problems and it seems that my problem could be related to the folder lock deal, but i'm not sure. We have a number of UNIX boxes in our department. Recently we added 2 more Alpha machines, and we've always been using a common file sharing system. On the older machines, Pine 3.91 works like a whiz. But with the newer machines, no configuration changes have been made, but everytime we Goto a Folder, it would give the following error above the 2 rows of Commands at the bottom of the screen: [Error creating /users/a/anuja/unix/mail/foldername.lock: I/O error] Although it doesn't lose any mail, and does the saving and moving of mails to the folders properly, but the error is worrisome. This has happened to any user who tries to use Pine, not just me. We've checked to ensure that no other Pine session was open. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Anuj. --0-106775614-818869814=:7815-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 13 07:57:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06643; Sat, 13 Jan 96 07:57:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12008; Sat, 13 Jan 96 07:49:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tortoise.oise.on.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12002; Sat, 13 Jan 96 07:49:35 -0800 Received: by tortoise.oise.on.ca (5.0/SMI-SVR4 (rsm951016)) id AA11479; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:46:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:46:08 -0500 (EST) From: William McQueen To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Too many messages in folder: Question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1203 Status: O X-Status: >From time to time, I acquire too many messages in a specific folder to read in a manageable period of time. Or, I may want to accumulate a large number of messages from a specific discussion group. Of course most sites have limited disk space and ask users to maintain small numbers of messages in the message base. Ideally, it would make sense to offload the incoming messages to my local PC at home, and read them off-line. However, as I recall there is no current system for PINE for off-line reading. However, should I want to preserve a batch of incoming messages in a pine readable format (not ASCII text files), is there an appropriate way for compressing the raw message data for a specific folder with high traffic in order to reduce the amount of disk space consumed when large quantities of messages accumulate? Any suggestions? Thanks very much. Bye for now, Bill McQueen in Toronto .________________________________________________________. | | | wmcqueen@oise.on.ca | | "Life is a seamless robe of learning!" | |________________________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 13 16:11:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15318; Sat, 13 Jan 96 16:11:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20969; Sat, 13 Jan 96 16:06:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from teco01a.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20963; Sat, 13 Jan 96 16:06:08 -0800 Received: from teco03a.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de by teco01a.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de (8.6.12) id BAA01928; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:05:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:05:00 +0100 (MET) From: Gerhard Heijenga To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: disconnect mode Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does the new version of Pine (3.92) provide disconnect mode? I would be happy if Pine would do that, because I would present PINE-IMAP connection betwen my laptop (win95) and the windows NT PC at the CEBIT in Hannover. Is there any other mail client which could be used in disconnect mode with an imap-server? TIA gerhard P.S: I have just installed the Imap-server from washington at my windows NT machine. It looks good ... ___________________________________________________________________________________ Gerhard Heijenga eMail: heijenga@teco.uni-karlsruhe.de Veilchenstr. 9 76131 Karlsruhe Tel./Fax: 0721-617906 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 13 18:20:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17647; Sat, 13 Jan 96 18:20:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19587; Sat, 13 Jan 96 18:16:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19569; Sat, 13 Jan 96 18:15:55 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17562; Sat, 13 Jan 96 18:15:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:15:49 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Gerhard Heijenga Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, imap@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: disconnect mode In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Gerhard, Alas, offline and disconnected support will not make it into the "almost ready" 3.92 version, but both are definitely planned for later this year. Siren mail and Sun's Roam client both support disconnected operation; however, the Siren client doesn't use IMAP4 UIDs yet, and Roam only runs on Solaris. I'm told that a Windows version of Roam and IMAP4-compatible Siren are both coming... I think there may be one more IMAP client with disconnected support, but it has slipped my mind. I've CC'd the IMAP list in hopes others will speak up. -teg On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Gerhard Heijenga wrote: > Does the new version of Pine (3.92) provide disconnect mode? > I would be happy if Pine would do that, because I would present PINE-IMAP > connection betwen my laptop (win95) and the windows NT PC at the CEBIT > in Hannover. > > Is there any other mail client which could be used in disconnect mode > with an imap-server? > > TIA > gerhard > > P.S: I have just installed the Imap-server from washington at my windows > NT machine. It looks good ... > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > Gerhard Heijenga eMail: heijenga@teco.uni-karlsruhe.de > Veilchenstr. 9 > 76131 Karlsruhe > Tel./Fax: 0721-617906 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 13 23:58:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23646; Sat, 13 Jan 96 23:58:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26147; Sat, 13 Jan 96 23:54:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26141; Sat, 13 Jan 96 23:54:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbNGA-0001oO-00; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:53:50 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: HELP: Compiling Pine on LINUX ?! Error ?! Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:37:15 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4d8n7g$7vn@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4d8n7g$7vn@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Status: O X-Status: Try this patch: in pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/os_lnx.c, change a line which reads: #include to be: #define iovec blurdybloop #include #undef iovec Many versions of Linux have the wrong definition of struct iovec in , so c-client defines it with the right definition. In some other versions of Linux, defines struct iovec, and for some reason is included by . Linux is not for the faint-hearted. There are many different variants of Linux floating around, and it can be difficult to make source files that compile correctly on every variant. We make Pine compile correctly on the variant that runs on our Linux boxes. We do distribute pre-built binaries for Linux, so if you have trouble in the future you may wish to use our pre-built binary instead of dealing with sources. On 13 Jan 1996, Martin Opitz wrote: > > Hi > > I use Linux & Kernel 1.3.33. I wanted to compile pine 3.91 on this > system. I make a > > build clean > build lnx > > Then it goes on but makes the following: (see below) > (Something with this mysterious "c-client") > > Could anyone help me. I would like to use pine. > > Many Thanks ! > Martin > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > make args are "CC=cc" > > Making c-client library, mtest and imapd > make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=lnx > make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/pine3.91/imap' > echo lnx > OSTYPE > rm -rf systype > ln -s ANSI systype > cd ANSI/c-client; make lnx > make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client' > make mtest OS=lnx EXTRADRIVERS="" \ > STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ > RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh CFLAGS="-g -O " > make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client' > ./drivers imap nntp pop3 mh mtx tenex mmdf bezerk news phile dummy > rm -f OSTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h > > : > : > > cc -g -O -c misc.c -o misc.o > cc -g -O -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto \ > -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/rsh\" \ > -c os_lnx.c > In file included from /usr/include/linux/socket.h:6, > from /usr/include/sys/socket.h:5, > from os_lnx.c:42: > /usr/include/linux/uio.h:18: redefinition of `struct iovec' > env_unix.c: In function `env_init': > In file included from os_lnx.c:57: > env_unix.c:206: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpystr' discards `const' from pointer target type > tcp_unix.c: In function `tcp_open': > In file included from os_lnx.c:58: > tcp_unix.c:162: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpystr' discards `const' from pointer target type > tcp_unix.c: In function `tcp_aopen': > tcp_unix.c:225: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpystr' discards `const' from pointer target type > make[3]: *** [osdep.o] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client' > make[2]: *** [lnx] Error 2 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client' > make[1]: *** [build] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/pine3.91/imap' > make: *** [lnx] Error 2 > > : > : > > Making Pine. > > : > : > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/pine3.91/pine/osdep' > rm -f os.c > ln -s osdep/os-lnx.c os.c > cc -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DDEBUG -c os.c -o os.o > os.c: In function `canonical_name': > os.c:894: warning: return discards `const' from pointer target type > make: *** No rule to make target `../c-client/c-client.a', needed by `pine'. Stop. > > Links to executables are in bin directory: > size: bin/pine: No such file or directory > size: bin/mtest: No such file or directory > size: bin/imapd: No such file or directory > text data bss dec hex filename > 112340 19944 1444 133728 20a60 bin/pico > Done > -- > _____________________________________________________________ /--i--\ . __ > | Martin Opitz - Internet: opitz@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de ''''||\___/| | > | University of Frankfurt am Main, Germany (computer science) ||o - o| | > | "As to Gina winning her gamble... | /---\ \ | > | that's a secret between her and me." Fio, "Porco Rosso" E/^ ^ ^\W | > `---------------------------------------------------------------- \m___m/ -' > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 00:46:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24533; Sun, 14 Jan 96 00:46:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26664; Sun, 14 Jan 96 00:42:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26656; Sun, 14 Jan 96 00:42:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbO0R-0002Nm-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:41:39 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stephen_rasku@mindlink.net (Stephen Rasku) Subject: Re: Killfiles in mail Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:34:00 -0800 Message-Id: <30f8b1e7.2665675@news> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu> <4d1g5q$6eo@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> <4d3flg$ep4@dodgson.math.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: tsalagi@netcom.com wrote: >A very good point, since the person asking the question was posting with >Free Agent, which has no killfile ability (the commercial release, Agent, >will, however. Free Agent is the free version of Agent). > >Netscape (aka Mozilla) doesn't have killfile ability, either (also, neither >one have the ability to cancel your own posts, AFAIK). Agent has the ability to cancel your own posts. I don't know if Free Agent does though. ...Stephen [Save Bandwidth. Ban .sig Lines] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 01:14:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25123; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:14:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27001; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:11:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26995; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:11:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbOTJ-0002jA-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:11:29 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: INBOX folder construction, impact on existing mail.txt and mbox Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:54:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4d73d0$ks6@ornette.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4d73d0$ks6@ornette.uchicago.edu> Status: O X-Status: Chris, just a few comments from your message. Other people will undoubtably answer other points: On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Chris Koenigsberg wrote: > I just did some experiments regarding Pine's algorithm for > construction of the "INBOX" folder, to report for a meeting on Monday. Actually, this is c-client's algorithm, not Pine's, and kicks in only if you do not specify an override with Pine's inbox-path variable. > 2. If you have an existing ~/mbox file, Pine will prefer to use that, > instead of mail.txt, as the place where it appends truly new > /var/spool/mail/$USER messages, before displaying the whole bunch as > your INBOX. This only happens if c-client is built with the mbox driver enabled. By default, it is not enabled in the imap-3.5 toolkit used in Pine 3.91 or in the imap-3.6 toolkit used in Pine 3.92. It is enabled in imap-4, but we haven't decided whether that will go into Pine or not. The enabling is done by the setting of the EXTRADRIVERS variable in the c-client Makefile. > We're also considering setting > inbox-path=/var/spool/mail/$USER This is usually the preferred technique to get the behavior that you say you want. > We had been assuming that we would have to do a massive "conversion" > of all these existing legacy "mtxt" format ~/mail.txt files, into > "mbox" format instead, to eliminate the corruption problem. If you do decide to convert, the mbxcvt tool in the imap-utils toolkit may be very useful for you. > Now I have recently decided to try and trust the Pine/c-client team, > that they have fixed many "mtxt" bugs since the days of old MM > c-client, and NOT convert the file formats after all..... wise or > foolish? (we'll find out :-) Well, speaking as a highly biased observer, I would say that this is the path of wisdom... ;-) > A major question for us will be whether Pine's handling of "mtxt" > format (in ~/mail.txt as part of INBOX, and/or an "imported" folder > moved into the mail subdirectory) is more robust than MM's. Undeniably. But there is an important caveat: > One concern is that the "corrupt" mtxt files may come during NFS > outages, if people run the mail program (MM or Pine) on a host other > than the one where their home directory is actually physically > located. And here's the caveat: Don't even think of using the mtxt (a.k.a. tenex) format over NFS with c-client (Pine, imapd, etc)!! The problem here is that Pine uses update mode (O_RDWR) random access I/O, based on the presumption that the buffer and inode caches reflect what is actually on the disk. This is very fast; however, NFS violates most of the underlying assumptions. There is no guarantee of synchronization of the kernel buffer caches between different machines when an update happens, and worse the inode cache can get out of synchronization with the buffer cache on the same machine!!! Even worse, there is *no* locking when NFS is involved, so there is no guarding of critical code when simultaneous read/write access happens. *Usually*, c-client will detect that something is hosed, and decline to proceed any further; there haven't been too many clobberage incidents. But, "verbum sat sapenti", a word to the wise is sufficient... My advice; if you use tenex format, use it on a real filesystem that follows the documented Unix semantics (certain operations documented to be atomic are, certain operations documented to update the disk do, certain operations documented to semaphore do) and not an imitation filesystem such as NFS that simulates some of the semantics and throws up its hands on others. This means that if remote access is desired to tenex files, you should use IMAP. If you must use NFS, you're better off with the Unix mbox format. You lose some safeguarding with mbox as well (and it's slower to boot), but you still have a basic locking semaphore in place. Also, the mbox code doesn't keep the file open except when doing actual operations, which permits the crufty NFS kernel to get the buffer and inode caches back into synchronization. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 01:32:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25755; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:32:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27157; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:29:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27151; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:29:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbOk1-0002qG-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:28:45 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: afabbro@stimpy.us.itd.umich.edu (Andrew Philip Fabbro) Subject: Random Signatures in Pine Date: 12 Jan 1996 21:48:37 GMT Message-Id: <4d6kvl$4sp@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Status: O X-Status: ==================================== Random Signatures in Pine (for Unix) ==================================== ----------- Quick Intro ----------- Pine has a nifty little kludge that allows it to call an external editor (CTRL-_ -- control-underscore). In actuality, it can call any external program, which allows you to do Many Cool Things. Examples: a script that strip headers for forwarding mail, a script that strips off excess >'s, or a script that does random signatures. Of course, if you want all three, you can have a script that gives you a menu allowing you to choose which function you want. (Note that Pine also has another kludge, the | command, which allows you to pipe messages into any external program -- exploring those possibilities is left as an exercise for the reader). So...you want random signatures. Easy enough. Enclosed is a script that does it. ------------ Requirements ------------ Obviously, if you're using the CTRL-_ command to actually use an alternate editor, you can't use it to append random sigs. (But then, most alternate editors allow you to call external programs from within them anyway). It's a perl script, so if your system doesn't have perl, it won't work. To find out if you have perl, type "perl -v" without the quotes at the Unix prompt. If you get back a message that says "This is perl," you have perl. If you don't, you don't. ------------ Installation ------------ 1. Make a directory in your home directory where you will store your signatures: cd mkdir signatures "signatures" is the default. If you use something else, edit the second line of the script (that line that starts with $SIGS_DIR=) to whatever name you're calling your directory. For example, if you were calling your signatures directory "siggies", then that line of the script would read $SIGS_DIR="$ENV{HOME}/siggies"; 2. Edit this file, removing everything up to (but not including) the #!/usr/bin/perl line (#!/usr/bin/perl should be the first line in the file). Save the edited file in your home directory and call it "randsig". 3. While at the Unix prompt, give this command: chmod 700 randsig 4. Now fire up Pine. At the main menu, type S (for Setup) and then C (for Config). You'll see the Pine config menu. Look for these two lines: [X] enable-alternate-editor-cmd [ ] enable-alternate-editor-implicitly If you don't have Xs in the right place, use the arrow keys to move to the boxes you need to change and then press ENTER to toggle the X. 5. Almost done. Now tap the space bar two or three times until you reach nearly the end of the configuration file. The line you're looking for is editor = Move the highligt bar over that line and press C (for ChangeVal). The enter "randsig" without the quotes and press return. Now press E to exit config. You're done! -------- Using It -------- Store each signature you want to use as a separate file in ~/signatures (or whatever you called it). Whatever files you store in ~/signatures are candidates for the random signature script, so only store signatures in that directory. You can have as many as you want. The file names are inconsequential. To use the script, simply compose or reply as normal, then press CTRL-_ (control-underscore) when you're done. Pine will call the script which will append a signature and put you back into the Pico editor. Then (as usual) press Control-X to send your message. ---------- The Script ---------- #!/usr/bin/perl # Edit this line to the directory where you keep your sigs $SIGS_DIR="$ENV{HOME}/signatures"; opendir (DIR,$SIGS_DIR) || die "Can't open directory $SIGS_DIR!"; @signatures=readdir(DIR); closedir(DIR); shift(@signatures); $num_sigs = @signatures; srand (time|$$); # seed with the least significant part of time $chosen_sig_number=int(rand($num_sigs))+1; $chosen_sig_name="$SIGS_DIR/@signatures[$chosen_sig_number]"; # I know, I know -- this next command is UGLY. I'm sure there's # a Perl Way of concatenating files, but I didn't feel like digging # through the Camel book to find it. system ("cat $chosen_sig_name >> $ARGV[0]"); From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 01:32:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25812; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:32:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24386; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:29:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24380; Sun, 14 Jan 96 01:29:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbOk2-0002qI-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:28:46 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: barr@shrsys.hslc.org (JOHN BARR) Subject: setting forwarding address Date: 12 JAN 96 21:43:41 GMT Message-Id: <12JAN96.21434180@shrsys.hslc.org> Status: O X-Status: I'm new to Pine. In other versions of email I have used there is a way to set a default forwarding address, to automatically forward all received mail to another address. I can't find a way to do this in Pine. What did I miss? Thanks for any help. John Barr barr@hslc.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 02:33:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27115; Sun, 14 Jan 96 02:33:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28057; Sun, 14 Jan 96 02:30:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28051; Sun, 14 Jan 96 02:30:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbPhm-0003Zl-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:30:30 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lokehc@merlion.singnet.com.sg (Kid Eternity) Subject: Auto replying of emails? Date: 14 Jan 1996 09:26:58 GMT Message-Id: <4dai92$6m3@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Status: O X-Status: I'd like to know if there's any means to configure Pine to auto reply emails with a certain word in an email's subject line or body text; ie, an email auto responder. All help is greatly appreciated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 06:11:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01040; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:11:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00687; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:06:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00681; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:06:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbT4N-00062Q-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 06:06:03 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ckk@uchicago.edu (Chris Koenigsberg) Subject: INBOX folder construction, impact on existing mail.txt and mbox Message-Id: <4d73d0$ks6@ornette.uchicago.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:54:40 GMT Status: O X-Status: We're introducing official support for Pine at the U. of Chicago, in the beginning of February, and are working out some configuration details. If I'm forgetting anything, please let me know (post a followup here, or email me if you prefer, ckk@uchicago.edu). We are starting out with the existing /var/spool/mail/$USER mailboxes, NFS-mounted from a server, not introducing IMAP yet. (sorry I couldn't make it to the IMAP Consortium meeting in Seattle this past week, I would have loved to have gone, maybe next time...) I just did some experiments regarding Pine's algorithm for construction of the "INBOX" folder, to report for a meeting on Monday. 1. If you have an existing "mtxt" format ~/mail.txt file, Pine wants to use that as part of the INBOX folder, i.e. it will slurp new mail out of /var/spool/mail/$USER, append it to mail.txt, and display the entire contents of mail.txt as your INBOX. 2. If you have an existing ~/mbox file, Pine will prefer to use that, instead of mail.txt, as the place where it appends truly new /var/spool/mail/$USER messages, before displaying the whole bunch as your INBOX. 3. If you have neither an "mtxt" mail.txt file, nor an mbox file, Pine will just use the contents of /var/spool/mail/$USER as its INBOX. These considerations are important to people who have existing ~/mail.txt files (from MM) and/or existing mbox files (from Berkeley Mail etc.), perhaps with large numbers of old messages there. If they try Pine, it seems that Pine is going to show them all their many old messages, as being new and unread. (I could say, that's what they get for leaving all their old messages in one monolithic mail file :-) but I've got to try and ease their transitions. We want to minimize the number of site-specific configuration changes. But we are interested in setting the system-wide Pine fixed config file combination: read-message-folders=saved-messages feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs to sweep mail, after it's read, OUT of the INBOX folder (i.e. out of the files /var/spool/mail/$USER and ~mail.txt and/or ~mbox). We're also considering setting inbox-path=/var/spool/mail/$USER which would tell Pine to ignore the mail.txt and mbox files. That is, this will force Pine's INBOX folder construction to use ONLY the /var/spool/mail file, NOT the existing legacy ~/mail.txt or ~/mbox files. If we do set this inbox-path, and a user does want to "import" their existing mail.txt or mbox file into Pine, they can simply move the whole file, into their mail subdirectory, and Pine will then see it as a folder. Currently many people still use "MM" with their "mtxt" format ~/mail.txt files, and we have bad problems with "corrupted" mail.txt files, due to bugs in old MM where it doesn't quite finish writing the file out before dying, and the new invocation can't read it. The "mtxt" format is inherently more delicate than the "mbox" format, since it has the binary flags which include one for the message length.... We had been assuming that we would have to do a massive "conversion" of all these existing legacy "mtxt" format ~/mail.txt files, into "mbox" format instead, to eliminate the corruption problem. Now I have recently decided to try and trust the Pine/c-client team, that they have fixed many "mtxt" bugs since the days of old MM c-client, and NOT convert the file formats after all..... wise or foolish? (we'll find out :-) A major question for us will be whether Pine's handling of "mtxt" format (in ~/mail.txt as part of INBOX, and/or an "imported" folder moved into the mail subdirectory) is more robust than MM's. I am hoping/betting that Pine will not "corrupt" mtxt files the way MM frequently does. But if we do still get a lot of corrupt mtxt files from Pine, we'll have to think about converting them. One concern is that the "corrupt" mtxt files may come during NFS outages, if people run the mail program (MM or Pine) on a host other than the one where their home directory is actually physically located. If this is the case, then even Pine might not be able to prevent the mtxt file corruption problems? I haven't been able to test this reliably yet though. (we have made an effort to urge people to login & run their MM on the same host where their home directory lives, rather than go across NFS, and we will continue to do so with Pine) Am I forgetting anything? :-) Chris Koenigsberg ckk@uchicago.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 06:43:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01398; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:43:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28111; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:40:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28099; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:40:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbTaL-0006SM-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 06:39:05 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Problem with sorting of folders. Date: 11 Jan 1996 06:21:38 GMT Message-Id: <4d2a9i$6vc@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Jason Warren (jason@bozo.kgn.ibm.com) wrote: : On 30 Dec 1995, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: : > I don't quite understand rules for sorting of folders. I currently have : > set sorting rule to OrderedSubject, and just now there are two messages : > in my folder (actually they are on Pine-info list so everybody should : > have them). I don't think you mean 'sorting of folders' I think you mean 'sorting of messages within the folders' ??? : > One message is original and other a reply. Original dated 30 Dec 1995 : > 06:11 GMT (I forgot the seconds) and reply is dates 30 Dec 1995 06:16 GMT. : > The problem is, reply is sorted BEFORE original message. It seems to be : > incorrect twice - reply should NOT come before question and Dates order : > is clearly wrong. : > If I set sort order to Date, then they are sorted correctly! You just answered your own question !!! : > Any comment? (I have Pine for Windows 3.91) Doesna matter sort by date will sort by date and then Jason wrote ... : This also happens on the AIX version. I've reported this a few times with : no responses. I wondered if it was specific to the AIX version. Apparently : it is not. : Jason See above ... doesn't matter how you're connected (not gonna comment on the pine for windows reference) ... sort by date will sort by date SENT not by date recieved, or worse yet, by the date you moved it into another folder, other options will not ... with pine 3.90 or greater, set your (s)etup (c)onfig to sort by date, and guess what it will do ??? Yup, it will sort it by (sent) date. Hope this helps. BYE. PS once you set your default under (s)etup (c)onfig to 'sort by date', you still have the other ($)ort options available with the $ key, but the default will be a date (sent) sort. Hope that makes sense ! /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 06:45:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01447; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:45:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00988; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:39:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00981; Sun, 14 Jan 96 06:39:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbTZM-0006SD-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 06:38:04 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: phoenix@faerealm.roc.servtech.com (Leslie M. Barstow III) Subject: restricted text editor, anyone? Date: 13 Jan 1996 19:15:50 GMT Message-Id: <4d90d6$2kq@faerealm.roc.servtech.com> Status: O X-Status: I am looking for a text editor which is easy to use and can be put into a restricted mode which disallows all shell access, and restricts file saving and reading. The restricted mode of PICO which is available through PINE is good, but I can't seem to convince PICO to enter this mode without PINE. I have tried setting gmode |= MDSCUR in a couple of spots within the source, but I still get a non-restricted version... A similar feature in a newsreader would be cool, too, but is not necessary. -- Leslie M. Barstow III | "How may I be honest with you today" phoenix@faerealm.roc.servtech.com | -Tuvoc,ST:Voyager Faerealm: the future of PBM gaming| Do not reply to FastCash or MakeMoneyFast PGP key available upon request | schemes on the net. They are scams! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 07:18:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01937; Sun, 14 Jan 96 07:18:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01336; Sun, 14 Jan 96 07:14:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01330; Sun, 14 Jan 96 07:14:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbU7l-0006se-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:13:38 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: restricted text editor, anyone? Date: 14 Jan 96 14:30:27 GMT Message-Id: References: <4d90d6$2kq@faerealm.roc.servtech.com> Status: O X-Status: phoenix@faerealm.roc.servtech.com (Leslie M. Barstow III) writes: >I am looking for a text editor which is easy to use and can be put into a >restricted mode which disallows all shell access, and restricts file saving >and reading. >The restricted mode of PICO which is available through PINE is good, but >I can't seem to convince PICO to enter this mode without PINE. I have >tried setting gmode |= MDSCUR in a couple of spots within the source, but I >still get a non-restricted version... >A similar feature in a newsreader would be cool, too, but is not necessary. I have set up a system with a menu under rsh, in which the pico user can save files, but only in the current directory. Wouldn't that do what you want? >-- >Leslie M. Barstow III | "How may I be honest with you today" >phoenix@faerealm.roc.servtech.com | -Tuvoc,ST:Voyager >Faerealm: the future of PBM gaming| Do not reply to FastCash or MakeMoneyFast >PGP key available upon request | schemes on the net. They are scams! -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 11:56:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06144; Sun, 14 Jan 96 11:56:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04295; Sun, 14 Jan 96 11:51:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04289; Sun, 14 Jan 96 11:51:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbYRh-0003YN-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:50:29 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@thunder.ocis.temple.edu (The Shriminator) Subject: Mail/Csh script/resend mail Date: 13 Jan 1996 14:59:41 GMT Message-Id: <4d8hct$fem@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: I would appreciate deeply if anyone of you know if there is such C-shell script which will hold off all the incoming mail from a certain "From:" address sent to a user between 10:00 PM to 7:30 AM (next day) and resend them back to the same user next day at 7:31 AM. Bascically here's the flow: If From="john.doe@pizza.com" and $TIME is between 10:00 PM and 7:30 AM, mv ~/mail/pending/mail.1 ~/mail/pending/mail.1+1 Save newmail to ~/mail/pending/mail.1 endif Next I'll have another script which runs in cron, and looks for the existence of the ~/mail/pending/mail.* and resends them back to the $USER one by one till each of 'em is delivered when $TIME = 7:31 AM Any pointers, sugegstions are most welcome and maybe sent to shrim@thunder.temple.edu Many Many Thanks. -- Shrim | Shrim@thunder.temple.edu | Mac*Chat ListOwner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 16:01:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10775; Sun, 14 Jan 96 16:01:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07278; Sun, 14 Jan 96 15:57:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07272; Sun, 14 Jan 96 15:57:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbcIE-0004gX-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 15:56:58 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steevess@saturn.net (Scott Steeves) Subject: "Received abort signal" on large messages Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:26:00 GMT Message-Id: <4dbvus$6um@titan.saturn.net> Status: O X-Status: I'm running pine 3.91 under Linux. I connect to my ISP using a PPP connection over a 28.8 line. Whenever someone sends me a large message, such as an attached file, pine kicks out with "received abort signal." Does anyone have any ideas why this might be happening? Might it have something to do with a sub-optimal MTU setting? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Scott From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 16:53:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11866; Sun, 14 Jan 96 16:53:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07963; Sun, 14 Jan 96 16:49:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07957; Sun, 14 Jan 96 16:49:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbd6H-0006le-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:48:41 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Attachment Binaries Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:34:02 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Paul Johnson wrote: > Does anyone know if it is possible to attach a binary using Pine so that > it can be sent to someone at AOL? When I've tried, I get an error > message that the message is too long. Can pine be old to break it up? Pine as such probably cannot (although I won't swear to it). One possible circumvention is to use UUENCODE, presuming your recipient has the corresponding UUDECODE. Some versions of UUENCODE will break a file into segments of no more than a specified size. You could email each segment as an included file (not as an attachment). The recipient would then extract and concatenate all the segments in order and UUDECODE it. A bit of a kludge, I admit, but it should work. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 17:10:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12339; Sun, 14 Jan 96 17:10:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08177; Sun, 14 Jan 96 17:05:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08171; Sun, 14 Jan 96 17:05:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbdM2-00077L-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:04:58 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Uploading Text Files Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:46:16 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Seth Rogovoy wrote: : [...] : How can I upload a text file from my computer into Pine? More : specifically, how can I upload a file into a message I want to send? : I've tried, while in composing mode, to upload using my communications Normally, you do not upload while you are composing in Pine. Uploading is a separate operation distinct from Pine. You did not say so, but apparently you are using some variant of Unix. In that case, you start the upload process from a shell prompt, not from within Pine. Exactly what you do will depend on what softare is available on your system. For example, in my case I enter rz -a or rz -b depending on whether I am uploading an ASCII or binary file. (Actually I use a tiny shell script in order to get the version of rz on my system which supports Zmodem). Then I start ProComm Plus' upload with the keypad PgUp key. Select the protocol (Xmodem or whatever) and supply the path and filename on your PC when prompted. Things should take off, and you should get the file uploaded into your Unix current directory. THEN you start composing in Pine and include the file with Ctrl-R. : software (which is PROCOMM-PLUS), using XMODEM, YMODEM and ASCII options. : None have worked. (My software doesn't have ZMODEM, so please don't tell : me that's what I need.) ProComm Plus (at least version 2) supports Zmodem, which is better than the other protocols in some ways. However, the software on your Unix host also has to support it. As I say, my host has two versions of rz, only one of which supports Zmodem. : I realize this may not be a PINE question but rather a UNIX question, [...] Yes, it is a Unix question, not a Pine question as such. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 17:10:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12372; Sun, 14 Jan 96 17:10:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05627; Sun, 14 Jan 96 17:07:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05621; Sun, 14 Jan 96 17:07:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbdOC-0007BV-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:07:12 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Auto replying of emails? Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:47:56 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4dai92$6m3@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4dai92$6m3@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Status: O X-Status: On 14 Jan 1996, Kid Eternity wrote: : I'd like to know if there's any means to configure Pine to auto reply : emails with a certain word in an email's subject line or body text; ie, : an email auto responder. No. Pine will not do this. You have to use a mechanism which gets hold of the mail _before_ Pine does. A widely used tool for Unix systems is procmail. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 19:36:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15000; Sun, 14 Jan 96 19:36:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09788; Sun, 14 Jan 96 19:32:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09782; Sun, 14 Jan 96 19:32:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbfdS-00027U-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 19:31:06 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Neal J. Gieselman" Subject: Server to client transfer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:00:18 GMT Status: O X-Status: My Inet provider uses pine as their e-mail handler. I would like to configure my UnixWare 2.0 WS to do an auto dialin and retrieve any e-mail to my local WS. Does anyone have any hints on how I might do this? I have been reading the WWW pine page and the only thing I see that is close to this is the compliance to IMAP. Thanks for any help. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 21:29:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16512; Sun, 14 Jan 96 21:29:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11056; Sun, 14 Jan 96 21:24:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11050; Sun, 14 Jan 96 21:24:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbhPC-00070b-00; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:24:30 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David Nugent Subject: Pine for OS/2 uploaded to hobbes Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:47:50 GMT Status: O X-Status: The long-awaited OS/2 port of the Pine mail/news reader version 3.91 has been uploaded to hobbes.nmsu.edu in /incoming as pine391.zip. -- README.OS2 -- This is a port of the Pine 3.91 mail user agent to OS/2 32-bit compiled with the emx 0.09b development system, gcc 2.7.2. This includes only the mail UA client and the pico editor, no imapd. Notes on the OS/2 version of Pine: . This is a text mode only version of Pine. . Like the PC & Windows versions, this version of Pine is intended to be run primarily as a network client. . The following client mailstream drivers are supported by Pine-OS2: imap,nntp,pop3,bezrk,tenex,dawz,dummy This is the same as PC-Pine, with the addition of pop3. To enable pop3 over a network link, use the folder specification: {site.domain/pop3}INBOX The pop3 driver has not been extensively tested, however. . The "alternate editor" command is active in this version via the ^_ key. . The spell checker is enabled, by default calling gnu ispell. Internal spell checking facilities are disabled in Pine, so the spell checker itself must provide the interface (as is the case with ispell). The "SPELL" environment variable can specify an alternative spell checking program. . All help is included within the executable itself. . The mouse is enabled and working under OS/2 to the same extent as that available under Windows/MSDOS; ie. it works for some functions but does not include anything very advanced. . Unlike the PC versions of Pine, the addressbook functions work. . Attempts have been made to ensure that all files produced and used by Pine conform to 8.3 mapping of the FAT filesystem. It has not, however, been tested on FAT. Needless to say, the HPFS filesystem is fully supported. . The pipe command '|' is enabled and functional. Avoid piping mail to any interactive command, however - it will not work. . Printing has not been tested. For expedience, the UNIX model of piping output to a command has been used. You may like to use the OS/2 port of the BSD lpr command or similar, or pipe to any other command according to preference. . Pine-OS2 maps itself to the current display mode, adapting to the current screen size to suit. . Pine-OS2 provides 16 foreground colours and 8 background colors to select from (rather than 8 and 8 with PC-Pine). . This version of pine is fully UNIX shell aware, and uses the SHELL environment variable in preference to COMSPEC when spawning other process. This was tested with the csh and ksh ports. . Debugging is not enabled. INSTALLATION Requirements: OS/2 2.x with TCPIP 2.0 or later installed (IBM's IAK is fine). emx.dll version 0.09b or later placed somewhere in the LIBPATH. Set the HOME environment variable in your CONFIG.SYS to a directory you wish to use for a work area. Reboot. Move Pine.exe (and optionally Pico.exe) to any directory in the system PATH. Set the TMP and/or TEMP directory to point to a directory to be used for temporary files. NOTE: This directory must exist prior running pine or bad things may result. You may use the PINERC environment variable to point to an alternative configuration file if necessary. Run Pine. Follow the directions presented, and before doing anything else you should select S)etup C)onfigure and run through all configuration items and preferences. You may have to exit and restart to access folders. Read the documentation for further information. Note the syntax of setting up network folders, folder collections and so on: Network folder: {site.domain}path News collection: News *{site.domain}[] If you specify 'INBOX' as path, this is magic for the inbound mailbox on the specified server. Note that over a 14.4K link I've had more luck with using imap to read news than nntp from a performance point of view. NNTP seems very slow - imap works better. To set this up: NNTP-Server: site.domain News Collection: News *{site.domain/imap}[] imapd needs to be running on the news server, and you need to have an account on that machine, of course, otherwise nntp must be used. Irrespective of which method you use to read mail, nntp is still used for posting, hence the requirement for the nntp server name. Enjoy! Port by David Nugent (davidn@unique.blaze.net.au) David Nugent, davidn@unique.blaze.net.au, 3:632/348@fidonet Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia +61-3-9791-9547 Bbs/Fax +61-3-9792-3507 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 00:42:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20291; Mon, 15 Jan 96 00:42:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13581; Mon, 15 Jan 96 00:34:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13575; Mon, 15 Jan 96 00:34:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbkMO-000356-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 00:33:48 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se (Johan Holmberg) Subject: Re: RFC1342 (printing 8-bit chars in the Subject) Date: 15 Jan 1996 08:36:18 +0100 Message-Id: <63ka2t6hal.fsf@promotor.telia.se> References: In-Reply-To: Dimakopoulos Panagiotis's message of Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:29:55 Status: O X-Status: Dimakopoulos Panagiotis writes: > > Does anybody know if a patch has been released for pine to comply > with the RFC1342 ? This RFC describes an extension to the message > format defined in RFC 1341 (MIME) to allow the representation of > character sets other than ASCII in RFC 822 message headers. > I have a patch that does this. From the Release Notes: ============================================================ = Changes in 3.91jh803. = = 3.91jh803 is a patched version of 3.91 that can handle encoding/decoding of = header fields according to RFC1522. Some other changes has also been = done. The differences from 3.91 are: = = 802: = - Encode a lonely '.' on a line. Recommended by RFC1521. = = 801: = - handle application/pdf when sending PDF-attachments. = - better support for 8-bit characters in folder names and in = address book = - view application/pgp (without interpreting the PGP-stuff) = = Earlier patches (from 3.91 to patch 800): = - RFC1522 suppport (added by Lars Engebretsen ) = - should now work (I hope) for all character sets in the = ISO-LATIN family. = - some memory handling bugs fixed by using Purify on PINE. = (Not totally "clean", but better than before). = - (small) improvements in the makefiles and build-script. One reason = was to make it easier to use CVS on the code. = - Fix to avoid showing text message from some MAC MUA's as attachments. = = The RFC1522 suppport is used in the following way: = = - when reading mail it is automatically used = - when sending mail you have a choice when sending the mail. = See the help (Ctrl-G) in the compose screen. Read about the = SEND command (Ctrl-x). = = This patch was created by Johan Holmberg . = ============================================================ I have used this patch a lot on SunOS and IRIX, and beleive it works on Solaris-2 and HPUX too. Shouldn't be any problems for other platforms, but I just haven't modified the Makefiles for other platforms. But, since 3.92 isn't far away, I'll probably not do any further work on it. Anyway, if you want to try my patch, send me an email and I'll send you the patch. /johan holmberg -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Johan Holmberg Email: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se Telia Promotor AB Phone: +46 18 18 94 55 Box 1218 Mobile: +46 70 528 94 55 751 42 Uppsala, SWEDEN Fax: +46 18 18 94 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 01:24:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21376; Mon, 15 Jan 96 01:24:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11607; Mon, 15 Jan 96 01:13:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11601; Mon, 15 Jan 96 01:13:52 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:09:06 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA09026; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:09:51 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:09:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: JOHN BARR Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: setting forwarding address In-Reply-To: <12JAN96.21434180@shrsys.hslc.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The function you are after is nothing to do with Pine (or any other mail reader, for that matter). These are programs for reading mail *after* it has been delivered into your mailbox folder. What you need to be looking at is the delivery mechanism itself, and in particular how to persuade it to redirect the arriving mail. This is *not* Pine but, usually, a system program called "sendmail". Try looking through the man page for sendmail for the section about ".forward" files. These are what you need to use in order to redirect arriving mail. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 12 Jan 1996, JOHN BARR wrote: > I'm new to Pine. In other versions of email I have used there is > a way to set a default forwarding address, to automatically forward > all received mail to another address. > > I can't find a way to do this in Pine. > > What did I miss? > > Thanks for any help. > > John Barr > barr@hslc.org > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 03:27:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24017; Mon, 15 Jan 96 03:27:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13138; Mon, 15 Jan 96 03:20:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13132; Mon, 15 Jan 96 03:20:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbmwz-0005K4-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 03:19:45 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 5x9@dec5102.aarhues.dk (Martin Kofoed) Subject: Pine and mailing lists Date: 15 Jan 1996 09:33:26 GMT Message-Id: <4dd716$5qr@esanews.denet.dk> Status: O X-Status: Hi! Is there any way you can specify Pine to automatically move any post from a specific user (in this case the address of the mailing list) from your Inbox to an area created by yourself? One more question about Pine: How can you (on user level) make Pine able to read/write letters using the MIME format? Can it only be done during installation? Oh, and one last thing: How do you make Pine throw in your .signature in the *bottom* of quote-replied messages instead of in the *top*? If you have the answers for one or more of the above, please write me. Thanks. -- ==================================================== -[Martin Kofoed]- -[5x9@aabc.dk]- -[2:235/20.2]- ==================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 09:15:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02141; Mon, 15 Jan 96 09:15:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17536; Mon, 15 Jan 96 09:00:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17530; Mon, 15 Jan 96 09:00:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbsGM-0003z4-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:00:06 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chen5@fas.harvard.edu (Christian Chen) Subject: Re: Pine for OS/2 uploaded to hobbes Date: 15 Jan 1996 15:08:31 GMT Message-Id: <4ddqlf$j4e@decaxp.harvard.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: David Nugent (davidn@sdev.blaze.net.au) wrote: : The long-awaited OS/2 port of the Pine mail/news reader version 3.91 has : been uploaded to hobbes.nmsu.edu in /incoming as pine391.zip. It's been moved to the /new directory already, and probably will be moved to the os2/network/tcpip directory soon. Thank you very very much for doing this port! It runs faster than the windows version, too! Christian Chen : -- README.OS2 -- : This is a port of the Pine 3.91 mail user agent to OS/2 32-bit : compiled with the emx 0.09b development system, gcc 2.7.2. This : includes only the mail UA client and the pico editor, no imapd. : Notes on the OS/2 version of Pine: : . This is a text mode only version of Pine. : . Like the PC & Windows versions, this version of Pine is intended : to be run primarily as a network client. : . The following client mailstream drivers are supported by Pine-OS2: : imap,nntp,pop3,bezrk,tenex,dawz,dummy : This is the same as PC-Pine, with the addition of pop3. : To enable pop3 over a network link, use the folder : specification: : {site.domain/pop3}INBOX : The pop3 driver has not been extensively tested, however. : . The "alternate editor" command is active in this version via : the ^_ key. : . The spell checker is enabled, by default calling gnu ispell. : Internal spell checking facilities are disabled in Pine, so : the spell checker itself must provide the interface (as is : the case with ispell). The "SPELL" environment variable : can specify an alternative spell checking program. : . All help is included within the executable itself. : . The mouse is enabled and working under OS/2 to the same : extent as that available under Windows/MSDOS; ie. it works : for some functions but does not include anything very advanced. : . Unlike the PC versions of Pine, the addressbook functions work. : . Attempts have been made to ensure that all files produced and : used by Pine conform to 8.3 mapping of the FAT filesystem. It : has not, however, been tested on FAT. Needless to say, the HPFS : filesystem is fully supported. : . The pipe command '|' is enabled and functional. Avoid piping : mail to any interactive command, however - it will not work. : . Printing has not been tested. For expedience, the UNIX model of : piping output to a command has been used. You may like to use : the OS/2 port of the BSD lpr command or similar, or pipe to any : other command according to preference. : . Pine-OS2 maps itself to the current display mode, adapting to : the current screen size to suit. : . Pine-OS2 provides 16 foreground colours and 8 background colors : to select from (rather than 8 and 8 with PC-Pine). : . This version of pine is fully UNIX shell aware, and uses the : SHELL environment variable in preference to COMSPEC when spawning : other process. This was tested with the csh and ksh ports. : . Debugging is not enabled. : INSTALLATION : Requirements: OS/2 2.x with TCPIP 2.0 or later installed (IBM's IAK is : fine). emx.dll version 0.09b or later placed somewhere in the LIBPATH. : Set the HOME environment variable in your CONFIG.SYS to a directory you wish : to use for a work area. Reboot. Move Pine.exe (and optionally Pico.exe) to : any directory in the system PATH. Set the TMP and/or TEMP directory to point : to a directory to be used for temporary files. NOTE: This directory must : exist prior running pine or bad things may result. You may use the PINERC : environment variable to point to an alternative configuration file if : necessary. : Run Pine. Follow the directions presented, and before doing anything else : you should select S)etup C)onfigure and run through all configuration items : and preferences. You may have to exit and restart to access folders. : Read the documentation for further information. Note the syntax of setting : up network folders, folder collections and so on: : Network folder: {site.domain}path : News collection: News *{site.domain}[] : If you specify 'INBOX' as path, this is magic for the inbound mailbox on the : specified server. Note that over a 14.4K link I've had more luck with using : imap to read news than nntp from a performance point of view. NNTP seems : very slow - imap works better. To set this up: : NNTP-Server: site.domain : News Collection: News *{site.domain/imap}[] : imapd needs to be running on the news server, and you need to have an : account on that machine, of course, otherwise nntp must be used. : Irrespective of which method you use to read mail, nntp is still used for : posting, hence the requirement for the nntp server name. : Enjoy! : Port by David Nugent (davidn@unique.blaze.net.au) : David Nugent, davidn@unique.blaze.net.au, 3:632/348@fidonet : Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia : +61-3-9791-9547 Bbs/Fax +61-3-9792-3507 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 10:22:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03660; Mon, 15 Jan 96 10:22:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21389; Mon, 15 Jan 96 10:14:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from millkern.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21383; Mon, 15 Jan 96 10:14:57 -0800 Received: (from byrgb@localhost) by millkern.com (8.6.9/8.6.10) id NAA02684; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:14:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:14:33 -0500 (EST) From: Byrg Bonnelycke To: pine-info Subject: Comments in .forward ??? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi: 1) Are comments allowed in the .forward file ? 2) If so, what's the character denoting a comment (probably '#') ? Thanks, Byrg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 10:42:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04210; Mon, 15 Jan 96 10:42:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19185; Mon, 15 Jan 96 10:34:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vm1.NoDak.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19179; Mon, 15 Jan 96 10:34:30 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by VM1.NoDak.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 15 Jan 96 12:33:37 CST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27902; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:34:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine for OS/2 uploaded to hobbes In-Reply-To: <4ddqlf$j4e@decaxp.harvard.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I would like to extend my thanks to David Nugent for doing this port. -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | > David Nugent (davidn@sdev.blaze.net.au) wrote: > : The long-awaited OS/2 port of the Pine mail/news reader version 3.91 has > : been uploaded to hobbes.nmsu.edu in /incoming as pine391.zip. > > It's been moved to the /new directory already, and probably will be > moved to the os2/network/tcpip directory soon. > > Thank you very very much for doing this port! It runs faster than > the windows version, too! > > Christian Chen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 12:48:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07432; Mon, 15 Jan 96 12:48:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23851; Mon, 15 Jan 96 12:38:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23845; Mon, 15 Jan 96 12:38:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbvfn-0000c7-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:38:36 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: byrgb@millkern.com (Byrg Bonnelycke) Subject: .forward file ??? Date: 15 Jan 1996 19:28:06 GMT Message-Id: <4de9s6$lqv@news4.digex.net> Status: O X-Status: Hi: Sorry! This is my second posting, since I don't know if the first one "took." Can you put comments in the .forward file ? If so, how do you do it ? Thanx, Byrg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 13:25:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08609; Mon, 15 Jan 96 13:25:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22029; Mon, 15 Jan 96 13:19:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Farstar.secapl.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22023; Mon, 15 Jan 96 13:19:44 -0800 Received: from fozzie.secapl.com (Fozzie.secapl.com [192.131.46.3]) by Farstar.secapl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA42434; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:11:52 -0600 Received: by fozzie.secapl.com id AA16872 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:21:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:21:09 -0500 (EST) From: Tony Iannotti To: Byrg Bonnelycke Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .forward file ??? In-Reply-To: <4de9s6$lqv@news4.digex.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 15 Jan 1996, Byrg Bonnelycke wrote: > Can you put comments in the .forward file ? Your posts are coming through. I don't know, but the filter FAQ might help: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/faqs/archive/mail/filtering-faq/ Since it's usually a one-liner, I don't think most people have ever needed to comment it, but if you are using it for filtering, then procmail and filter's rules files can cerr certainly have comments. (#) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 14:11:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09642; Mon, 15 Jan 96 14:11:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22824; Mon, 15 Jan 96 14:06:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22816; Mon, 15 Jan 96 14:06:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbx2x-0004v7-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:06:36 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: howardh@bcaa.bc.ca (Howard Hui) Subject: Update Global Address Book by multiple people Date: 15 Jan 1996 20:29:45 GMT Message-Id: <4dedfp$9hn@sulla.cyberstore.ca> Status: O X-Status: Hi, Sorry if it is a FAQ. I'm new to Pine and would like to know any ways or tools available to allow multiple users to update the global address book? Since it is a read only file. Right now only one person can update it. I'd like to see if there is any way to update it using different ids. Thanks a lot! Howard Hui Email: howardh@bcaa.bc.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 14:18:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10009; Mon, 15 Jan 96 14:18:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25481; Mon, 15 Jan 96 14:09:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25475; Mon, 15 Jan 96 14:09:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbx5n-00050g-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:09:31 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bercikj@musc.edu (John Bercik) Subject: Re: Help with Mail Servers WinNT Date: 15 Jan 1996 16:50:42 GMT Message-Id: <4de0l2$t49@nellie.musc.edu> References: <30EF5309.5690@compuserve.com> <30F0383F.58C2@nttex.com> <4cptet$1tj@tornix.tornado.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: http://www.primenet.com/~buyensj/ntwebsrv.html#Mail From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 16:14:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13212; Mon, 15 Jan 96 16:14:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24958; Mon, 15 Jan 96 16:10:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24952; Mon, 15 Jan 96 16:10:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbyyY-0007ha-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:10:10 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: WEEVEY Subject: Macros for Deleting for Forwarding Mail? Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:20:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I would like for Pine to either delete e-mail from a certain sender before I see it or for Pine to forward it back to the sender with a message that I don't want any more e-mail coming to my address. Is this possible? Eva @}---------- THE SIMMONS FACTOR --------- EVA SABRINA SIMMONS, PH.D. -------{@ WWW Personal Page: http://www.cris.com/~Weevey/index.html @}---- @}---- @}---- WATCH IT, OR IT MIGHT ATTACK!! ;) ---{@ ---{@ ---{@ ---{@ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 17:07:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14740; Mon, 15 Jan 96 17:07:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25682; Mon, 15 Jan 96 16:59:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25676; Mon, 15 Jan 96 16:59:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tbzkB-0000QL-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:59:23 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joseph Bergstein Subject: SMTP Confirm Receipt in PINE Compose Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:01:28 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I use PINE here at Univ. of Maryland. I checked with local system administrator who didn't know the answer to this question. Is there any way using PINE to set a flag in a message to "confirm receipt", i.e. have receiver's mail processor send a message to confirm recipient's reading or message delivery? Other email systems which I use which have SMTP gateways allow specification of this "confirm receipt" option. How do you do this in PINE? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 19:12:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17354; Mon, 15 Jan 96 19:12:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27521; Mon, 15 Jan 96 18:56:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27515; Mon, 15 Jan 96 18:56:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tc1YD-0001di-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:55:09 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: Auto replying of emails? Date: 15 Jan 1996 20:19:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4deufn$aap@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: <4dai92$6m3@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Status: O X-Status: lokehc@merlion.singnet.com.sg (Kid Eternity) writes: >I'd like to know if there's any means to configure Pine to auto reply >emails with a certain word in an email's subject line or body text; ie, >an email auto responder. No. Pine is a mail user agent (MUA), in charge of presenting mail to you, and helping you format outgoing mail messages. Reshuffling mail automatically is the job of mail delivery agents (MDAs). One very useful program for presorting mail is called "procmail". You can run it via an entry in your ".forward" file (all of which is covered in its documentation). Using procmail you can sort incoming mail into different mailboxes, process it in arbitrary ways, and generate outgoing email responses based on incoming mail messages. Procmail can be used as the basis for simple mail sorting, on up to complete mailing list management systems (for which see the related software SmartList, available at the same site). Code for procmail can be found at: ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de in directory: pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information with the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 19:12:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17381; Mon, 15 Jan 96 19:12:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00500; Mon, 15 Jan 96 18:56:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00494; Mon, 15 Jan 96 18:56:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tc1Yi-0001dl-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:55:40 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: Pine and mailing lists Date: 15 Jan 1996 20:23:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4deum3$abr@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: <4dd716$5qr@esanews.denet.dk> Status: O X-Status: 5x9@dec5102.aarhues.dk (Martin Kofoed) writes: >Is there any way you can specify Pine to automatically move any post from >a specific user (in this case the address of the mailing list) from your >Inbox to an area created by yourself? No. But there are other programs that can do this for you. See my reply to the article shortly preceeding this one ("Autoreplying to emails"). >One more question about Pine: How can you (on user level) make Pine able >to read/write letters using the MIME format? Can it only be done during >installation? As far as I know, it does this automatically anyway... Didn't know it could be set up not to. I punt this one. >Oh, and one last thing: How do you make Pine throw in your .signature in >the *bottom* of quote-replied messages instead of in the *top*? When in pine: Main/Setup/Config then set: [X] signature-at-bottom -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information with the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 20:32:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19197; Mon, 15 Jan 96 20:32:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28639; Mon, 15 Jan 96 20:13:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28633; Mon, 15 Jan 96 20:13:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tc2l6-0002VW-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:12:32 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bm71569@themis.ag.gov.bc.ca (Jamie Royer) Subject: Re: Pine Crash When Replying Message-Id: <1996Jan15.110710.7430@venus.gov.bc.ca> Date: 15 Jan 96 11:07:10 PST References: <30f4723b.87330@205.164.176.1> In-Reply-To: <30f4723b.87330@205.164.176.1> Status: O X-Status: mpolak@exit109.com (Michael Polak) writes: >I'm running Pine 3.91 on a Data General DG-UX system. After I select >'R' to reply to a message, I'm asked if I want to include the original >text in the reply, and Pine crashes if I answer either Yes or No. I have successfully compiled Pine 3.91 on a DG AViiON machine! I don't know why the following works, it just does. Machine: dgux devel 5.4R3.10 generic AViiON mc88110 pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c - add a line. Shown with '+'. - This was posted by several other people. #include "log_std.c" #include "gr_waitp.c" #include "tz_sv4.c" + #include #undef utime pine3.91/pico/composer.c - Function: ArrangeHeader(). - I traced the error to this piece of the code. It would never return from this function. I couldn't see anything wrong, but I added '{' and '}' to the "while" statement because I was adding debug statements. Shown with "^^^". line 1630: while(headents[e+1].name || (l && l->next)) { 1631: if(l = next_hline(&e, l)){ ^^^ 1632: ods.cur_l = l; 1633: ods.cur_e = e; 1634: } 1635: } ^^^ pine3.91/pico/makefile.d-g - change two lines. Not sure if this is necessary, but it started working right after I did this. I changed the lines to use "dbx". After stepping through the program while trying to "reply" to a message, it worked. I exited "dbx" and it worked from the command line. line 51: #includes symbol info for debugging 52: #DASHO= -g 53: #for normal build 54: DASHO= -O CHANGE TO (enable debugging): line 51: #includes symbol info for debugging 52: DASHO= -g /* removed # */ 53: #for normal build 54: #DASHO= -O /* added # */ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Royer Tel: (604) 775-2879 Senior Programmer Fax: (604) 775-2880 GAEA Management & Consulting Ltd. E-Mail: jroyer@themis.ag.gov.bc.ca Burnaby, BC, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- My opinions may be wrong, but at least they're my own. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 21:45:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20748; Mon, 15 Jan 96 21:45:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02772; Mon, 15 Jan 96 21:42:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02766; Mon, 15 Jan 96 21:42:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tc49k-0003QH-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:42:04 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: WEEVEY Subject: Re: Killfiles in mail Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:23:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu> <4d1g5q$6eo@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> <4d3flg$ep4@dodgson.math.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4d3flg$ep4@dodgson.math.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: So how do I write a 'killfile' for Pine? Eva From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 15 21:45:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20764; Mon, 15 Jan 96 21:45:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29801; Mon, 15 Jan 96 21:42:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29795; Mon, 15 Jan 96 21:42:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tc49k-0003QG-00; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:42:04 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: WEEVEY Subject: Re: What's + mean in Folder Index? Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:26:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <4d3f61$112@twizzler.callamer.com> <4d48jg$j03@dodgson.math.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4d48jg$j03@dodgson.math.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: That '+' sign helps me distinguish my personal mail from my mailing list mail. I think it is *great*! :) Eva From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 00:19:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23740; Tue, 16 Jan 96 00:19:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01954; Tue, 16 Jan 96 00:15:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01948; Tue, 16 Jan 96 00:15:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tc6XN-0005FQ-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 00:14:37 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tommy Quitt Subject: Re: setting forwarding address Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 00:43:34 +0200 Message-Id: References: <12JAN96.21434180@shrsys.hslc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <12JAN96.21434180@shrsys.hslc.org> Status: O X-Status: On 12 Jan 1996, JOHN BARR wrote: > Date: 12 JAN 96 21:43:41 GMT > From: JOHN BARR > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: setting forwarding address > > I'm new to Pine. In other versions of email I have used there is > a way to set a default forwarding address, to automatically forward > all received mail to another address. > > I can't find a way to do this in Pine. > If you are Using Pine for Unix and SendMail, try using a .forward file, and spcify there the address you wish to forward your messages to. More documentation on .forward in "man elm". Good Luck :) Tommy -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tommy Quitt tommyq@math.tau.ac.il home page: http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~tommyq -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 01:07:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25048; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:07:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02550; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:02:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02544; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:02:25 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:59:06 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id IAA07100; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:57:10 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:57:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: WEEVEY Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Killfiles in mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You don't at the moment: Pine 3.91 has no concept of kill files. Your closest approximation (for e-mail only, not Usenet News) would be to run your arriving mail through a filter program such as "procmail" to weed out messages whose subject/author you don't want to see. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, WEEVEY wrote: > So how do I write a 'killfile' for Pine? > > Eva > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 01:13:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25316; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:13:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05680; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:07:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05673; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:07:38 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:01:51 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id IAA07532; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:59:59 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:59:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Tommy Quitt Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: setting forwarding address In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Tommy Quitt wrote: > If you are Using Pine for Unix and SendMail, try using a .forward file, > and spcify there the address you wish to forward your messages to. > More documentation on .forward in "man elm". > Good Luck :) > Tommy ...But of course, there is no guarantee that Elm (an alternative mailer to Pine) is installed on their system! The "official" place to read about mail forwarding would be in the man page for the software that actually _does_ it: the mail delivery agent. Our system, like most UNIX machnes, uses "sendmail" as the mail delivery system. So a "man sendmail" is more certain to be there. (But you'll have to skim through some guff first in order to reach the bit about forwarding; look for mention of a ".forward" file.) Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 01:19:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25448; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:19:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02684; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:07:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from franklin-fddi.cris.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02678; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:07:12 -0800 Received: from mariner.cris.com by franklin-fddi.cris.com [1-800-745-CRIS (voice)] Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 04:06:49 -0500 (EST) From: WEEVEY To: Mike Brudenell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Killfiles in mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Well, I don't have 'procmail' on this system. Is their some other way? I use the 'limited' gateway on CRIS. Eva @}---------- THE SIMMONS FACTOR --------- EVA SABRINA SIMMONS, PH.D. -------{@ WWW Personal Page: http://www.cris.com/~Weevey/index.html @}---- @}---- @}---- WATCH IT, OR IT MIGHT ATTACK!! ;) ---{@ ---{@ ---{@ ---{@ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 01:34:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26087; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:34:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02932; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:26:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from plum.epix.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02926; Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:26:21 -0800 Received: (elfride@localhost) by plum.epix.net (8.6.10/950112.08ccg) id EAA26621; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 04:30:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 04:30:57 -0500 (EST) From: elfride@epix.net To: Pine-Info@cac.washington.edu Subject: "Follow Up" Usenet Command on UW's PICO Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I don't know my arse from a hole in the ground when it comes to software programs, so if I sound stupid, I am. I'm currently using a Unix program (I think) that has a Usenet program called TIN. This program is incapalbe of being navigated with the cursor arrows or with the "K" or "J" up/down commands the program specifies. Therefore I cann't make replies to the Usenet; the cursor is locked in place and will let me neither delete and edit text or move to a position where I can insert a reply. If anyone at all can help me, would you please e-mail me at elfride@epix.net? Thank you very very much. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 02:18:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27042; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:18:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06542; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:09:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06526; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:08:24 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:03:26 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id KAA17414; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:02:02 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:02:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: WEEVEY Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Killfiles in mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You need to find (on your system or on the Net) software that can be used with your mail delivery system's delivery mechanism. Basically most UNIX systems allow the mail deliverer program to pipe the arriving message through a program rather than writing the message directly into the recipient's mailbox. The program the message is piped through can then inspect the content and decide where to file the message (or junk it!). If you don't have procmail on your system there may be an equivalent, such as "filter". Try rummaging around or (shock, horror!) ask your help desk/system manager/service provider for assistance. After all _they_ should now what is available on your system (I don't!). If the worst comes to the worst you could consider ftp-ing procmail from an archive site on the net, and compilinig it up yourself. It doesn't need any special privileges, as far as I am aware, if you want to place it in and use it from your own disk area. Good luck! Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, WEEVEY wrote: > Well, I don't have 'procmail' on this system. Is their some other way? > I use the 'limited' gateway on CRIS. > > Eva > > @}---------- THE SIMMONS FACTOR --------- EVA SABRINA SIMMONS, PH.D. -------{@ > WWW Personal Page: http://www.cris.com/~Weevey/index.html > @}---- @}---- @}---- WATCH IT, OR IT MIGHT ATTACK!! ;) ---{@ ---{@ ---{@ ---{@ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 02:39:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27490; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:39:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03826; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:33:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from franklin-fddi.cris.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03820; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:33:05 -0800 Received: from mariner.cris.com by franklin-fddi.cris.com [1-800-745-CRIS (voice)] Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:32:09 -0500 (EST) From: WEEVEY To: Mike Brudenell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Killfiles in mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I just checked on 'procmail' and discovered it was written in C. I can't compile C programs on this system...:( Any other ideas...? Eva @}---------- THE SIMMONS FACTOR --------- EVA SABRINA SIMMONS, PH.D. -------{@ WWW Personal Page: http://www.cris.com/~Weevey/index.html @}---- @}---- @}---- WATCH IT, OR IT MIGHT ATTACK!! ;) ---{@ ---{@ ---{@ ---{@ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 02:50:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27701; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:50:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03903; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:39:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03897; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:39:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tc8mn-0006jE-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:38:41 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lwalton@csss.com (Lee Walton) Subject: Re: Help with Mail Servers WinNT Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 19:02:32 GMT Message-Id: <30f93a42.56172800@pubnews.demon.co.uk> References: <30EF5309.5690@compuserve.com> Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 07 Jan 1996 14:58:49 +1000, David Looke <100231.1433@compuserve.com> wrote: > Can anyone advise me on the best Mail Server for Windows NT? > > There are quite a few mail servers available, including: > > EMWAC, IMail, LISTSERV, Mi'Mail, NTMAIL, post.office, sendmail, > SLmailNT, and StarTech Internet Components--and probably others. I've been running the NTMail with eval keys for a couple off months now, and it is absolutely brilliant. Not only was it simple to install, there hasn't been a single glitch so far. Configuration is all done via a control panel applet, and it is possible to remotely administer the server. Later. Lee -- Lee Walton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KEEP .SIGS BRIEF <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 03:16:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28280; Tue, 16 Jan 96 03:16:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04082; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:59:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04076; Tue, 16 Jan 96 02:59:45 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ac25013; 16 Jan 96 10:37 GMT Received: from esscomp.demon.co.uk ([158.152.10.158]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa04889; 16 Jan 96 10:36 GMT Received: from ccmail by essential.co.uk (PMDF V5.0-3 #12581) id <01I02PNCNPLC0003LG@essential.co.uk> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:34:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:14 +0000 (GMT) From: sara.appleyard@essential.co.uk Subject: Tailoring Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <01I02PNHMY560003LG@essential.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Questions relating to Pine Port to VMS I have users that want to see the word 'CREATE' rather than COMPOSE a mail message (they generally want to re-design the screen and the order in which options appear). They want to add their own fields to the address-book - e.g. extension number. Is this possible? Or should I tell them to be happy for what they get. Thanks in advance Sara Appleyard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 05:40:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01731; Tue, 16 Jan 96 05:40:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05905; Tue, 16 Jan 96 05:11:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05899; Tue, 16 Jan 96 05:11:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tcBAX-0000bB-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:11:21 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rgoer@rgoer.candle.com (Ralph Goers) Subject: Re: Pine for OS/2 uploaded to hobbes Date: 16 Jan 1996 00:16:31 GMT Message-Id: <4deqov$q6j@phobos.Candle.Com> References: Status: O X-Status: In message <4ddqlf$j4e@decaxp.harvard.edu> - chen5@fas.harvard.edu (Christian C hen) writes: :> :>David Nugent (davidn@sdev.blaze.net.au) wrote: :>: The long-awaited OS/2 port of the Pine mail/news reader version 3.91 has :>: been uploaded to hobbes.nmsu.edu in /incoming as pine391.zip. :> :>It's been moved to the /new directory already, and probably will be :>moved to the os2/network/tcpip directory soon. :> :>Thank you very very much for doing this port! It runs faster than :>the windows version, too! :> :>Christian Chen The only problem is, its buggy (and like all other versions of Pine, as far as I can tell, somewhat frustrating). It took me quite a while to determine that in order to access your inbox using IMAP you must specify it as {imap.host/imap}inbox. The doc implies that /imap is not needed. I also tried setting my sentmail folder to {imap.host/imap}sentmail. This doesn't work so I can't access any folders which are managed by IMAP. However, you can do {imap.host}sentmail, which creates a sentmail file in your home directory, but that is not how an IMAP client is suppossed to create remote folders. The worst bug seems to be that when I only have 1 new message in the inbox I can see that I have one message but I cannot access it. When a second message arrives I can then see both. When I deleted messages, if I did not "expunge" them then the messages sit in the inbox marked deleted. If I exit Pine and then restart it the messages still show as in the inbox, but without header information and are not accessable. Worse, they can't be expunged by Pine (although Simeon was able to delete them). The annoyances: Esc should take you back one level. It's not a PM app. Although a mouse "pointer" shows up, it apparently doesn't do anything. Pine is MUCH faster than Simeon, but since I can't access my remote folders (other than the inbox) and it can't read my inbox with only one message in it (a frequent occurance - I move them to other folders), I'm pretty much stuck. Ralph From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 06:22:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02458; Tue, 16 Jan 96 06:22:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06567; Tue, 16 Jan 96 06:11:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06561; Tue, 16 Jan 96 06:11:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.35 #1) id E0tcC6I-0001EL-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 06:11:02 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Wroblewski Subject: Re: Pine for OS/2 uploaded to hobbes Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:49:43 +0000 Message-Id: References: <4ddqlf$j4e@decaxp.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4ddqlf$j4e@decaxp.harvard.edu> Status: O X-Status: Yes Thank You very much for this port. bob From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 09:14:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08954; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:14:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10001; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:00:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dcdsv0.fnal.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09995; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:00:29 -0800 Received: from localhost by dcdsv0.fnal.gov via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id LAA12754; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:00:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199601161700.LAA12754@dcdsv0.fnal.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 1_6_1a To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: cmoseber@dcdsv0.fnal.gov Subject: Unexpanding MH folders Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:00:15 CST From: Clyde Moseberry Status: O X-Status: My mh folders do not expand. An excerpt from my pine List Folders screen is included below. Hitting the Select Here does NOT expand anything. BTW, other folders/collections DO epand. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Folder-collection <#mh/PR/documentation/[]> (Local) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - [ ** Empty List ** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Folder-collection <#mh/PR/exmh/[]> (Local) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - [ ** Empty List ** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Folder-collection <#mh/PR/ghostview/[]> (Local) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - [ ** Empty List ** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] These do not expand and yes they all contain information -- suggestions? C. V. Moseberry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 09:46:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11083; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:46:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10875; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:21:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10869; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:21:01 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08619; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:20:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Howard Hui Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Update Global Address Book by multiple people In-Reply-To: <4dedfp$9hn@sulla.cyberstore.ca> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: However it is that you have that one person update it, you can have others, too. The idea is that global address books won't be changing out from under you while you are running pine. However, there are some checks built in so that changes will almost always be detected and occasional changes will not be too annoying. For a global address book to be writable by a user, that user could move it to the address-book list (so it is a personal address book for them). They would also have to have write permission on the files and directory in which the files are located. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 15 Jan 1996, Howard Hui wrote: > Hi, > Sorry if it is a FAQ. > > I'm new to Pine and would like to know any ways or tools available to > allow multiple users to update the global address book? Since it is a > read only file. Right now only one person can update it. I'd like to > see if there is any way to update it using different ids. > > Thanks a lot! > > Howard Hui > Email: howardh@bcaa.bc.ca > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 10:14:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12435; Tue, 16 Jan 96 10:14:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12053; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:59:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12043; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:59:46 -0800 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V5.0-5 #2001) id <01I02OEOC6T48ZDVT2@INNOSOFT.COM>; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:58:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: Barry Chametzky Subject: comment field in address book To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Innosoft Tech Support Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: We have a customer who is interested in the following: When she adds a phone number in the comment field in her PINE address book, she would very much like to see this comment field on the screen (as well as all the other fields) rather than manually editing the line and typing C (for comment field). It is an interesting request. Is it possible to have such a feature in the next release of PINE? Thanks very much. --Barry Barry Chametzky Innosoft International, Inc. Telephone: (818) 919-3600 1050 East Garvey Avenue South FAX: (818) 919-3614 West Covina, California 91790 Web: http://www.innosoft.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 10:41:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13633; Tue, 16 Jan 96 10:41:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12699; Tue, 16 Jan 96 10:22:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12693; Tue, 16 Jan 96 10:22:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcG1N-0003uY-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:22:13 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: afabbro@ren.us.itd.umich.edu (Andrew Philip Fabbro) Subject: Re: Pine and NCSA Telnet on MAC Date: 11 Jan 1996 04:48:16 GMT Message-Id: <4d24qg$11h@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <4cghd1$gqj@netnews.upenn.edu> Status: O X-Status: Quoth Lauren T. Slawe: : NCSA Telnet already assigns functions to the ^C,^S and ^Z : keys. Fortunately you can change that yourself. Go up to the Session : menu and choose "setup keys" Erase what's in them, or choose others. : Now ^C should work, as it now gets to use the function that unix assigns : to it. Good advice. This probably doesn't need to be said, but that change is not permanent (i.e., you'd have to do that every time you open a session). Fortunately, you can the "Save Set" command to save that configuration to a "telnet set" (which you should then use in the future to invoke your session). Andrew Fabbro afabbro@umich.edu http://www.umich.edu/~afabbro/ "When in Bologna will a Fabbro rise again?" - Dante's Purgatorio, Canto XIV From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 11:04:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15022; Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:04:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13438; Tue, 16 Jan 96 10:47:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13432; Tue, 16 Jan 96 10:47:15 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11629; Tue, 16 Jan 96 10:47:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: Stefan Kramer Reply-To: Pine Information Center To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine-Info archives in Pine Information Center Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The Pine-Info mailing list archives in the University of Washington's Pine Information Center at http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ are now updated nightly, with new messages being added under the "Current month" link. The full-text index of all archived messages (Jan. 1995 - present) is now also updated nightly and supports searching for numeric strings; see http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/search.cgi --------------------------------------------------------- Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu Network Information Center Computing & Communications University of Washington Seattle, WA 98105-4527, USA --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 11:22:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16323; Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:22:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17099; Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:03:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17093; Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:03:23 -0800 Received: (from andrew@localhost) by server.bridgeway.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA16736; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:06:10 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:06:09 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Le To: Andrew Philip Fabbro Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine and NCSA Telnet on MAC In-Reply-To: <4d24qg$11h@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 11 Jan 1996, Andrew Philip Fabbro wrote: > Quoth Lauren T. Slawe: > : NCSA Telnet already assigns functions to the ^C,^S and ^Z > : keys. Fortunately you can change that yourself. Go up to the Session > : menu and choose "setup keys" Erase what's in them, or choose others. > : Now ^C should work, as it now gets to use the function that unix assigns > : to it. > > > Good advice. This probably doesn't need to be said, but that change is > not permanent (i.e., you'd have to do that every time you open a session). > Fortunately, you can the "Save Set" command to save that configuration to > a "telnet set" (which you should then use in the future to invoke your > session). > If you use Telnet 2.6, under Edit -> Preferences -> Sessions you can change those keys so that they become PERMANENT for that particular session.... > > Andrew Fabbro afabbro@umich.edu http://www.umich.edu/~afabbro/ > "When in Bologna will a Fabbro rise again?" - Dante's Purgatorio, Canto XIV > > __(__)__ **************oO0-- @ @ --0Oo*************************** Andrew Le [] support@bridgway.com Bridgeway Corp. \____/ (206) 881-4270 Bridging the Gap in Network Mgt. (206) 861-1774 fax *********************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 11:53:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17813; Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:53:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18157; Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:40:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18151; Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:40:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcHEe-0004ah-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:40:00 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: Pine for the Macintosh? Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:45:17 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4cp9bn$iot@redwood.cs.sc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4cp9bn$iot@redwood.cs.sc.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 7 Jan 1996, David Langs wrote: > Hi: > > We have both Unix machines and Macs in our lab, and I have just recently > installed pine on our Unix machines, and so far I like it. I find the IMAP > feature intriguing. It would be nice if people who have Macs in their > offices could remotely access their mail folders on the Unix machines, but > I have so far not been able to find a version of Pine for the Macintosh. Does > such a thing exist, and if so where can I get it? If not, is there one in > the works? The only thing for the mac at the moment (and I'd like to be wrong about this!) is to open up a mac terminal program like NCSA Telnet or Zterm (depending on your connection), and run pine remotely on the unix box. Since pine is an all-text e-mail program, it works on any dumb terminal pretty much as well as on the unix machine itself. The only thing you have to do is help your users learn to use Telnet, which is no big chore. This, of course, assumes that they know how to use unix already. :-) Ian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 12:35:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19723; Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:35:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16312; Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:24:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dcdsv0.fnal.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16306; Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:24:17 -0800 Received: from localhost by dcdsv0.fnal.gov via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id OAA17574; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:24:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199601162024.OAA17574@dcdsv0.fnal.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 1_6_1a To: cmoseber@dcdsv0.fnal.gov Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Unexpanding MH folders Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:24:13 CST From: Clyde Moseberry Status: O X-Status: oh, never mind -- found out by a little more staring that I was simply attempting to go too deep in my MH folder tree; top_leaves - branch is as far as one can go. Below, documentation is a branch (MH files are top_leaves). PR is as far as one can go in valid .pinerc folder listings. If documentation grows a branch however, then the folder below will become valid. C.V.Moseberry > My mh folders do not expand. An excerpt from my pine List Folders screen is > included below. Hitting the Select Here does NOT expand anything. BTW, other > folders/collections DO epand. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Folder-collection <#mh/PR/documentation/[]> > (Local) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ ** Empty List ** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > C.V.Moseberry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 13:05:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21615; Tue, 16 Jan 96 13:05:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19938; Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:47:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19926; Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:47:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcIHw-0005LE-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:47:28 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: afabbro@ren.us.itd.umich.edu (Andrew Philip Fabbro) Subject: Re: random .signature files Date: 11 Jan 1996 04:42:35 GMT Message-Id: <4d24fr$11h@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: Pine's alternate editor command (CTRL-_) can actually call any external program you specify in setup, config. Having it call a script that implements random signatures would not be terrible difficult to write. You'd be composing in pico, finish your letter, and hit CTRL-_ to call the script. The script would take the file (the name of which is passed to it by pine as the first command-line argument), concatenate a random signature, and then exit, returning you to pico, where you'd hit control-X to send the letter on its merry way. I frequently use CTRL-_ as a facility to call scripts. If you really get into it, you can even write a menu allowing you to choose which script you want to call. Andrew Fabbro afabbro@umich.edu http://www.umich.edu/~afabbro/ "When in Bologna will a Fabbro rise again?" - Dante's Purgatorio, Canto XIV From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 13:19:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22163; Tue, 16 Jan 96 13:19:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17245; Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:56:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17239; Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:56:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcIQk-0005Rg-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:56:34 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: giese012@marron.tc.umn.edu Subject: mail transfer server-to-server Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:45:00 GMT Status: O X-Status: My Internet provider is a Univ that uses Pine as their e-mail service. I would like to configure my Unixware 2.0 WS to dial my provider on a regular basis and download my e-mail onto my local WS. Can anyone provide some help to get me going on this? A slip service is provided. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 13:54:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23993; Tue, 16 Jan 96 13:54:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21678; Tue, 16 Jan 96 13:41:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21672; Tue, 16 Jan 96 13:41:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcJ7m-0005xB-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:41:02 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Arrangement of Folders Date: 10 Jan 1996 20:41:04 GMT Message-Id: <4d1890$os1@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Emmanuel Koku (ekoku@epas.utoronto.ca) wrote: : Hi, I'm wondering if someone has any idea about arranging folders : alphabetically to facilitate their location. I'd appreciate any : assistance. Cheers, Emmanuel. It should, by default, arrange them alphanumerically, except that the 3 default folders, INBOX, sent-mail, and saved-messages, will be at the top of the list before any new ones you have added. If that's not what it's doing, be more specific or send or post a copy. BYE. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 16:28:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02021; Tue, 16 Jan 96 16:28:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26777; Tue, 16 Jan 96 16:15:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26771; Tue, 16 Jan 96 16:15:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcLWY-000035-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:14:46 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 5x9@dec5102.aarhues.dk (Martin Kofoed) Subject: Re: Pine and mailing lists Date: 16 Jan 1996 11:06:46 GMT Message-Id: <4dg0s6$m5l@esanews.denet.dk> References: <4dd716$5qr@esanews.denet.dk> <4deum3$abr@tbone.biol.sc.edu> Status: O X-Status: Dean Pentcheff (dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu) wrote: >>Oh, and one last thing: How do you make Pine throw in your .signature in >>the *bottom* of quote-replied messages instead of in the *top*? > When in pine: Main/Setup/Config > then set: [X] signature-at-bottom Oh, it's that simple? Thanks for the tip! -- ==================================================== -[Martin Kofoed]- -[5x9@aabc.dk]- -[2:235/20.2]- ==================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 17:29:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04888; Tue, 16 Jan 96 17:29:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28642; Tue, 16 Jan 96 17:16:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28636; Tue, 16 Jan 96 17:16:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcMTe-0000gr-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:15:50 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: afsypng@pollux.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) Subject: Re: Attachment Binaries Date: 16 Jan 1996 07:53:12 -0500 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: pauljo@netcom.com's message of Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:01:36 GMT Status: O X-Status: Gee whiz it was probably refering to the lenght of your signature ... >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Johnson writes: In article pauljo@netcom.com (Paul Johnson) writes: Paul> Does anyone know if it is possible to attach a binary using Paul> Pine so that it can be sent to someone at AOL? When I've Paul> tried, I get an error message that the message is too long. Paul> Can pine be old to break it up? Paul> Suggestions? Paul> Thanks, Paul> Paul -- Paul Johnson pauljo@netcom.com pauljo@loop.com Paul> 75470.1721@compuserve.com pauljo@compuserve.com (after 1/96, Paul> assuming that Compuserve returns the money they overcharged Paul> us last year. It turns out that they have been chargin us Paul> $28.80/hour at a time when other serices were charging $2.50 Paul> to $3.00 for the same service. That's a 10 TIMES surcharge Paul> for using Compuserve. If you have a Compuserve account, we Paul> urge you to check your bill!!) pauljo@msn.com (on the rare Paul> occasions that the Microsoft Network is up and running and Paul> will process email. Due to the flakey nature of the Paul> Microsoft Network, it is not always possible to log on Paul> there, so this is the least reliable way to send email. Paul> Actually, since the "upgrade" to Microsoft Network Paul> downloaded on 1/10/95 trashed our computer, we have been Paul> unable to connect to MSN. According to Microsoft Tech Paul> "Support," we must re-install Windows 95, for the 17th time, Paul> and then download the "upgrade" again if we want to access Paul> MSN. Ask us if we like Windows 95). -- _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ __/\______\__/\______\__/\______\__/\______\__/\______\__/\______\__/\______\ /\_\/______/\_\/______/\_\/______/\_\/______/\_\/______/\_\/______/\_\/______/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ Jacques Marcoux jmarcoux@cmc.aes.doe.ca 514.421.4794 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 18:32:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06411; Tue, 16 Jan 96 18:32:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00183; Tue, 16 Jan 96 18:29:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00177; Tue, 16 Jan 96 18:29:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcNbn-0001VH-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:28:19 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ems@ifsaix1.uni-hamburg.de (Richard Ems (ehm. guest)) Subject: help on filter Date: 16 Jan 1996 14:37:02 GMT Message-Id: <4dgd6e$eb4@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Status: O X-Status: Hi people. I'm new reading mails on a Unix (AIX 3.2?) and I'm trying to filter incoming mails and put them on different folders (files?). I've heard from procmail, deliver and so on, but I only have filter on this blo... system. I tried with filter, but "man filter" didn't help much and nothing is working. Could someone give me some advice? Other methods? filter-FAQ's ? .filter-rules examples ? Thanks, rems -- ============================================== --- Richard Ems --- ---- e-mail: ems@schiffbau.uni-hamburg.de ---- ----- Institut fuer Schiffbau ----- ------ Universitaet Hamburg ------ ============================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 19:18:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07587; Tue, 16 Jan 96 19:18:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00770; Tue, 16 Jan 96 19:04:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00764; Tue, 16 Jan 96 19:04:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcO9l-0001rh-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:03:26 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ahk@lagnaf.isdn.mcs.net (Adam H. Kerman) Subject: Feature Request: View Attachment Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:28:28 GMT Status: O X-Status: I would find it useful if Pine would explicitly indicate when messages arrive with attachments. The "View Attachment" prompt should not be available unless there is an attachment. It would also help if the existence of attachments were noted on index screens. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 23:08:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12686; Tue, 16 Jan 96 23:08:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04192; Tue, 16 Jan 96 22:51:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cadul.cadul.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04186; Tue, 16 Jan 96 22:51:33 -0800 Received: (from mlists@localhost) by cadul.cadul.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA04710; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:22:00 GMT Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:21:59 +0000 (GMT) From: pseudo account f|r mailing lists To: Pine List Cc: norbert@cadul.de Subject: pico text modifications Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi to all, I`m currently installing pine as the mail delivery system on our site. I have one problem with pico I cannot resolve with the manuals. Pico replaces some characters with special codes when sending a mail. Example: Siemens -> =09Siemens ===== -> =3D=3D=3D -> =20 Is there a way to turn this off ?? Thanks for any reply, norbert From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 23:21:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12970; Tue, 16 Jan 96 23:21:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01859; Tue, 16 Jan 96 23:16:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01853; Tue, 16 Jan 96 23:16:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcS5o-0004kL-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:15:36 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: STRAUSS@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU (Robert Strauss) Subject: Help for pine newbie Date: 16 Jan 1996 15:36:05 GMT Message-Id: <4dggl5$pv6@cowee.wcu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Two things: when I exited pine, and had, for some reason, 32 messages in my Inbox, Pine deleted them. They are important. How can I get them back? (Pine asked if I wanted to delete them and I said NO) Second, is ther a way, in pine (3.91) to send a binary file? Thanks, Bob Strauss strauss@wcu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 16 23:32:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13253; Tue, 16 Jan 96 23:32:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04757; Tue, 16 Jan 96 23:15:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04751; Tue, 16 Jan 96 23:15:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcS5f-0004jz-00; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:15:27 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: michael piccorossi Subject: Re: ISO-8859-1 character set - accents Date: 16 Jan 1996 15:19:13 GMT Message-Id: <4dgflh$fjt@portal.gmu.edu> References: <4d3jro$dom@rebecca.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Okay, now I understand how to configure PINE so that it can READ the ISO character set, but is it possible to configure PINE so that users can compose messages using the ISO character set? Many thanks, Michael Piccorossi Language Instruction Technologist 233 Thompson Hall Foreign Languages and Literatures mpiccoro@gmu.edu George Mason University voice: 703-993-1264 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 fax: 703-99301245 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 01:21:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15875; Wed, 17 Jan 96 01:21:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06276; Wed, 17 Jan 96 01:07:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06270; Wed, 17 Jan 96 01:07:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcTq9-00064E-00; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:07:33 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) Subject: Re: ISO-8859-1 character set - accents Date: 17 Jan 1996 07:16:53 GMT Message-Id: <4di7p5$p9r@mongol.sasknet.sk.ca> References: <4d3jro$dom@rebecca.albany.edu> <4dgflh$fjt@portal.gmu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <4dgflh$fjt@portal.gmu.edu>, michael piccorossi wrote: : :Okay, now I understand how to configure PINE so that it can READ the ISO character set, but is :it possible to configure PINE so that users can compose messages using the ISO character set? : That is a function of your terminal. On my computer/terminal the following is a c in a circle i.e. copyright: © I produced it by typing alt-shift-e ... find a manual and have fun :-) -- this signature being renovated ... excuse the mess From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 01:30:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16329; Wed, 17 Jan 96 01:30:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03522; Wed, 17 Jan 96 01:12:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03512; Wed, 17 Jan 96 01:12:31 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:07:34 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA00724; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:07:07 GMT Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:07:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Barry Chametzky Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Innosoft Tech Support Subject: Re: comment field in address book In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: And perhaps she would like to pay to have everyone's terminals replaced with ones having wider screens? There's a limit to how much information can be fitted on an 80 character long line. :-) I for one would be definitely opposed to splitting each entry onto two lines (you'd get far fewer entries per screen, making use of the address book that much harder). Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Barry Chametzky wrote: > We have a customer who is interested in the following: > > When she adds a phone number in the comment field in her PINE address > book, she would very much like to see this comment field on the screen (as > well as all the other fields) rather than manually editing the line and > typing C (for comment field). > > It is an interesting request. Is it possible to have such a feature in > the next release of PINE? > > Thanks very much. > > --Barry > > Barry Chametzky > Innosoft International, Inc. Telephone: (818) 919-3600 > 1050 East Garvey Avenue South FAX: (818) 919-3614 > West Covina, California 91790 Web: http://www.innosoft.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 02:20:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17409; Wed, 17 Jan 96 02:20:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07001; Wed, 17 Jan 96 02:02:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06995; Wed, 17 Jan 96 02:02:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcUgt-0006fj-00; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 02:02:03 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pierre Joris Subject: unsubscribing newsgroups Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:05:50 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I seem to be unable to unsubscribe to any newsgroups (& using pine for the first time as newsreader) -- when I am in the newsgroup list (huge! as I haven't been able to edit it down) and a given newgroup is highlighted, I hit "d" for delete and then confirm with "yes" when p[rompted to.When I reopen pine, rather than seeing the shortlist of subscribed groups I expect, I get the whole, enormnous, list ofd groups again. What am I doing wrong or forgetting? (BTW the pine help file was of no help on this) Pierre ======================================================================= Pierre Joris | "Form fascinates when one no longer has the force Dept. of English | to understand force from within itself. That SUNY Albany | is, to create." -- Jacques Derrida Albany NY 12222 | tel&fax:(518) 426 0433 | "Poetry is the promise of a language." email: | -- Friedrich Holderlin joris@cnsunix.albany.edu| ======================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 03:04:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18171; Wed, 17 Jan 96 03:04:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07577; Wed, 17 Jan 96 02:54:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07571; Wed, 17 Jan 96 02:54:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcVVE-0007DR-00; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 02:54:04 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@evo.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: ISO-8859-1 character set - accents Date: 17 Jan 1996 08:38:49 GMT Message-Id: <4dicip$so4@ratatosk.uio.no> References: <4d3jro$dom@rebecca.albany.edu> <4dgflh$fjt@portal.gmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <4dgflh$fjt@portal.gmu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <4dgflh$fjt@portal.gmu.edu>, michael piccorossi writes: > >Okay, now I understand how to configure PINE so that it can READ the >ISO character set, but is >it possible to configure PINE so that users can compose messages using >the ISO character set? I think this is a keyboard-mapping problem and not a problem with Pine. Margrete (DoD#8925, BB#3) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 03:45:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19114; Wed, 17 Jan 96 03:45:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05313; Wed, 17 Jan 96 03:33:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05307; Wed, 17 Jan 96 03:33:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcW6o-0007cm-00; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 03:32:54 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ROB ELLIOTT Subject: Errors in my Addressbook Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:53:09 GMT Message-Id: <821814789.18083@m15.burton-college.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: O X-Status: We have a very large mailing list in our .addressbook and when we use it it cannot deliver mail to some of the members and gives the error 554 J Bloggs Mr character. we created the .addressbook using the text editor and we've scanned it to make sure we haven't missed any tabs etc but all seems ok From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 03:48:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19200; Wed, 17 Jan 96 03:48:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08114; Wed, 17 Jan 96 03:33:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08108; Wed, 17 Jan 96 03:33:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcW6o-0007cl-00; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 03:32:54 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill Llewellyn Subject: Pine hangs when sending Date: 16 Jan 1996 16:08:51 GMT Message-Id: <4dgiij$2oo@hustle.rahul.net> Status: O X-Status: I've had a problem develop with Pine 3.91 over the past couple of weeks (I've been using 3.91 at least since June '95) where it hangs for over 2 minutes in the "sending message" mode after I finish composing and send. It seems to be delaying by the same time interval (2.5 minutes) Pine uses to query the inbox. After hanging, which it doesn't do every time, it finishes sending and goes back to normal operation. Quitting and restarting doesn't help, nor did rebooting the workstation (Sparc20). Anyone else had this problem? -- -- Bill Llewellyn, http://rahul.net/thinker "I'd never quote myself." (...me) I'll take on ANYBODY in a missppelling contest. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 04:48:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21153; Wed, 17 Jan 96 04:48:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06362; Wed, 17 Jan 96 04:37:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cadul.cadul.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06332; Wed, 17 Jan 96 04:35:48 -0800 Received: (from mlists@localhost) by cadul.cadul.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA10942; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:06:03 GMT Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:06:03 +0000 (GMT) From: pseudo account f|r mailing lists To: Pine List Subject: saving all messages Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is is possible to automatically save all incoming messages during readinto the folder saved-messages without explicitly using S-"save message" ? Thanks for any help, Norbert =============================================================================== Phone: +49 731 937600 CAD-UL GmbH Fax: +49 731 9376027 Einstein Str. 37 BBS: +49 731 9376029 89077 Ulm Email: support@cadul.de Germany sales@cadul.de WWW: http://www.cadul.de =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 05:08:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21744; Wed, 17 Jan 96 05:08:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09342; Wed, 17 Jan 96 04:54:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09336; Wed, 17 Jan 96 04:54:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcXNO-0000ho-00; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 04:54:06 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se (Johan Holmberg) Subject: Re: RFC1342 (printing 8-bit chars in the Subject) Date: 17 Jan 1996 13:34:34 +0100 Message-Id: <6391j7q9t1.fsf@promotor.telia.se> References: In-Reply-To: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se's message of 15 Jan 1996 08:36:18 Status: O X-Status: A couple of days ago I wrote: > > Dimakopoulos Panagiotis writes: > > > > Does anybody know if a patch has been released for pine to comply > > with the RFC1342 ? This RFC describes an extension to the message > > format defined in RFC 1341 (MIME) to allow the representation of > > character sets other than ASCII in RFC 822 message headers. > > > > I have a patch that does this. [...] > [...] > > I have used this patch a lot on SunOS and IRIX, and beleive it works > on Solaris-2 and HPUX too. Shouldn't be any problems for other platforms, > but I just haven't modified the Makefiles for other platforms. > > But, since 3.92 isn't far away, I'll probably not do any further work > on it. > > Anyway, if you want to try my patch, send me an email and I'll > send you the patch. > The patch is now available as ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/i18n/mime_head/pine3.91-jh803.tar.gz /johan holmberg -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Johan Holmberg Email: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se Telia Promotor AB Phone: +46 18 18 94 55 Box 1218 Mobile: +46 70 528 94 55 751 42 Uppsala, SWEDEN Fax: +46 18 18 94 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 06:16:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23331; Wed, 17 Jan 96 06:16:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07472; Wed, 17 Jan 96 06:03:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from aurora.cstp.umkc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07466; Wed, 17 Jan 96 06:03:09 -0800 Received: by aurora.cstp.umkc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/20Dec94-0832AM) id AA17204; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:02:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:02:52 -0600 (CST) From: Anuj Agrawal To: Robert Strauss Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help for pine newbie In-Reply-To: <4dggl5$pv6@cowee.wcu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, i'm new here too, but i'd like to help as much as possible. 8) To send a binary file, simply put the filename (the full path if necessary) under the Attchmnt: option in your header. It's as simple as that! LONG LIVE PINE! 8) nuj. On 16 Jan 1996, Robert Strauss wrote: > Second, is ther a way, in pine (3.91) to send a binary file? > strauss@wcu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 06:17:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23391; Wed, 17 Jan 96 06:17:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10123; Wed, 17 Jan 96 05:59:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10117; Wed, 17 Jan 96 05:59:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com with local (Exim 0.36 #1) id E0tcYO6-0001No-00; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 05:58:54 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmahar@q.continuum.net (Dick Mahar) Subject: Sending E-Mail Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:47:11 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: A dumb question. I can retrieve my mail OK, and compose, but I can't figure out how to get that "^X" into the picture to send mail. Help! Thanks in advance.......Dick Mahar From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 06:24:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23552; Wed, 17 Jan 96 06:24:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10361; Wed, 17 Jan 96 06:12:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vax2.winona.msus.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.01/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10355; Wed, 17 Jan 96 06:12:10 -0800 Received: from VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU by VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #11715) id <01I03YYZRGYC00BOHU@VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:12:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:12:00 -0600 (CST) From: bcherne@VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU Subject: Outgoing messages To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Hi There, My pine mailer used to automatically save a copy of all outgoing messages but it doesn't anymore. Is there a way I can set it to do so? Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 17 06:25:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: from