From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 00:50:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17419; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:50:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28676; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28670; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLR2w-00038HC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Undeleting? Date: 30 Nov 1995 21:00:37 GMT Message-Id: <49l61l$41r@fu-berlin.de> References: mburnell@acfsysv.roosevelt.edu (Mark Burnell) writes: >I'm trying to find out how to retreive a message that was accidentally >deleted. Well, if it's deleted then it is really really GONE. "Deleted" means "deleted". Geddit? However, if it is only "marked for deletion" in your folder then you do get a chance to remove that mark. (Dunno the command.) There also may be a spurious copy of it somewhere on your system but you can never rely on such things. Ask your sysadmin about this. Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 00:52:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17481; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:52:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28608; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:40:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28602; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:40:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLQwZ-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mreardon@sound.net (Mike Reardon) Subject: Re: Pine and Data General Aviion Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:55:39 -0600 Message-Id: References: In article , brian@asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca ("Brian P. Hampson") wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Mike Reardon wrote: > > > The following was sent to me by eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu: > > > > add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > > > > #include "log_std.c" > > #include "gr_waitp.c" > > #include "tz_sv4.c" > > + #include > > > > #undef utime > > Try putting the at the TOP of the file...before other includes. > Then I don't think you need the undef. Then things should work...Replies > et al, from what I recall. I tried that without the undef, and the program locked up when I tried to run it. Froze immediately when I logged into it. I put the utime include at the top, but left the undef at the bottom, and I still get the unable to reply problem...Pine crashes. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 00:55:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17532; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:55:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29804; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29798; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLR2w-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Borek@psg.com, Lupomesky@psg.com Subject: Automated logins in Pine - how Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:01:45 GMT Message-Id: <49ko1p$ov4@ns.felk.cvut.cz> When I read mail remotely via IMAP, Pine asks for username and password. Can this be automated? Bye Borek -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Borek Lupomesky (student, co-admin) University of J.E.Purkyne, Usti nad Labem, Czech Republic lupomesk@sun.ujep.cz, http://www.ujep.cz/~lupomesk/ -------- use finger service to obtain my PGP key -------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 00:58:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17585; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:58:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29812; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29806; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLR2w-00038IC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcygan@gateway.wiltel.com (Joe Cygan) Subject: Re: Pine and Data General Aviion Date: 30 Nov 1995 21:44:15 GMT Message-Id: <49l8jf$kdt@gateway.wcom.com> References: The fix you sent: >The following was sent to me by eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu: > >add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > #include "log_std.c" > #include "gr_waitp.c" > #include "tz_sv4.c" >+ #include > > #undef utime > >This worked here this morning... This got it to ccompile on the DG/UX box. BUT.... I cannot reply. Everything else(well maybe not EVERYTHING) seems to work right. But, hit "r" to reply, then answer the question about copying the message. As soon as you type "y" or "n" to the copying message question. BOOM. core dump. How do these issues get addressed around here? Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 01:10:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17949; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:10:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28970; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:05:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28964; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:05:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLROh-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Building Pine On Solaris - Compile Time Options Don't Work Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:41:28 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49k5us$j75@cocoa.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49k5us$j75@cocoa.brown.edu> On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Michael J. Weiss wrote: > First of all, I was not able to find a pre-done option to build for > Solaris. It's the "sol" build. > I am curious why such a seemingly > popular operating system isn't one of the default supported ones. Solaris is supported, but we do not use Solaris at our site so we only do minimal testing. There are a number of reasons which I would prefer not to go into. Let's just say that SUN has not exactly bent over backwards to encourage us to buy their systems or to develop for their systems. > Perhaps the process which I went through to compile under this OS has > something to do with the compile-time options I set in the header not > taking effect? Most likely. It isn't possible to determine from your message what you did. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 01:52:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19149; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:52:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00791; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:45:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00785; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:45:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLRyk-00038CC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nate Stahl Subject: Re: [Q] Can I use pine with a Pop account? Date: 1 Dec 1995 05:05:44 GMT Message-Id: <49m2f8$ek0@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can use pine with a pop mail server by using a program like popclient (ftp.mal.com) to retrieve your mail from the pop server into your spool file, then runing pine. --Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 04:35:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22444; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:35:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02022; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:22:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bbs.highnet2.columbus.oh.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02016; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:22:16 -0800 Received: from bbs.highnet2.columbus.oh.us (edunagin@bbs.highnet2.columbus.oh.us [206.21.108.2]) by bbs.highnet2.columbus.oh.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA22570; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:23:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:23:39 -0500 (EST) From: Edward Dunagin To: Andrew Toppan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: newly setup In-Reply-To: <49le3d$4ag@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi andy, no, not really. i have'm confinded to a bbs shell and they are not able to modify the .newsrc file. any ideas?? Peace.............................ed On 30 Nov 1995, Andrew Toppan wrote: > Edward Dunagin reshaped the electrons to say: > > : 1. Is there a way to global disable the users ability to "A"dd newsgroups > : after i customize their .newsrc file? > > Seems sorta futile. All they have to do is quit pine, grab a text > editor, and modify the .newsrc all they want.... > > > -- > Andrew Toppan --- elmer@wpi.edu --- http://www.wpi.edu/~elmer/ > Railroads, Ships and Aircraft Homepage, Tom Clancy FAQ Archive > "I am Pentium of Borg. Arithmetic is irrelevant. Prepare to be approximated." > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 04:55:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23126; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:55:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02295; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:42:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [200.1.244.43] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02289; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:42:16 -0800 Received: (from nalt@localhost) by petrus.ub.edu.ar (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA01495; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:39:59 -0300 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:39:56 -0300 (GMT-0300) From: "Norberto H. Altalef" To: PINE Info Mailing List Subject: Message-ID header and host-name Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm technical support for the "Universidad de Belgrano" in Argentina. We are using PINE 3.91 on HP-UX and Linux machines. We have configured sendmail in order to "hide" the host name from the sended mail. However, the host name still appears on the "Message-ID" header line. As far as I can see this header is generated by pine and leaved untouched by sendmail. I appreciate very much if somebody knows if it's possible configure pine in order to not show the host name in this header line or another suggestions to really hide the host name. Any comments will be useful. Many thanks in advance. Norberto Altalef Universidad de Belgrano From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 06:35:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25292; Fri, 1 Dec 95 06:35:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04848; Fri, 1 Dec 95 06:22:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04842; Fri, 1 Dec 95 06:22:13 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA06130 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:19:43 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA28093 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:21:34 +0300 (OET) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:22:13 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow To: Pine Mailing list Subject: more features requested X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, folks! I dare post some more wishes to future Pine. There are now-a-days listservers which use multipart/digest format. I find Pine handling of such digests GREAT - I get overview of contents, can easily jump to any part. But some drawbacks: 1. In attachment index list I have e.g. 20 shown 132 lines text , "Here goes title (or subject) ..." It is not to scale, but it leaves slightly more then 40 characters to Subject, and it is not so much. So feature - add possibility to scroll the index line left and right or disable other parts of line (they are not actually so entertaining). 2. Add Full-header mode when in viewing attachment (I have seen such wish already). 3. When viewing message/rfc822 part (and ALL digest parts are message) be able to Reply to original sender. Now I can reply only to the submitter of digest as whole. I have checked such digests - normally EVERY part has original sender as From: header. But as said, Pine is REALLY great in handling this sort of mail. Much thanks to Pine authors for such a good work! greetings ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 08:26:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28532; Fri, 1 Dec 95 08:26:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05226; Fri, 1 Dec 95 07:57:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05220; Fri, 1 Dec 95 07:57:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLXp0-00038IC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 07:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Eric Ross, Colorado College" Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 HELP!!! Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:49:13 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49l9et$kdt@gateway.wcom.com> Joe: Bummer! I built the object we are running about a year ago, at 5.4R3 I think. I just built it again now that we are at 5.4R3.10MU02, and just as you say, attempting to reply produces: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal." Exiting Pine Eric Ross Colorado College eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 On 30 Nov 1995, Joe Cygan wrote: > Eric Ross, Colorado College (eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu) wrote: > : Joe: > > : You need to add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > > : *** os_d-g.c.proto Thu Oct 13 12:31:00 1994 > : --- os_d-g.c Thu Oct 13 12:32:51 1994 > : *************** > : *** 59,64 **** > : --- 59,65 ---- > : #include "log_std.c" > : #include "gr_waitp.c" > : #include "tz_sv4.c" > : + #include > : > : #undef utime > : > > > : Eric Ross Colorado College > : eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. > : (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 > > WELL.... > > This got it to ccompile on the DG/UX box. BUT.... > I cannot reply. Everything else(well maybe not EVERYTHING) > seems to work right. But, hit "r" to reply, then answer the > question about copying the message. As soon as you type "y" > or "n" to the copying message question. BOOM. core dump. > > :-/ > > Joe > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 09:10:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01446; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:10:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06482; Fri, 1 Dec 95 08:45:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from offsv1.cis.McMaster.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06476; Fri, 1 Dec 95 08:45:12 -0800 Received: (from cseeley@localhost) by offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA19657; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:45:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: Carolynn Seeley To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Building Pine On Sun and Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have just built PINE 3.91 on two of our campus systems that were running PINE3.89. They are in test mode right now but will be put into production for our >5000 ids in approximately two weeks. The first system: SUN Sparc 10 with OS SunOs 4.1.3_U1 I did a 'build clean' and then 'build sol' and it built with only a few warning messages. The second system: SUN Sparc 1000 with OS Sun 5.4 (Solaris 2.5) I had a few problems with this one. BUT thanks to Ed Greshko for sharing his info, I found the following three steps he mentioned were DEFINITELY required: 1. Make sure that /usr/opt/SUNWspro/bin appears in your path *before* /usr/ucb 2. Edit the makefile.sol file in the pine directory and add -Dconst= to the CFLAGS line 3. Make sure you *unset* the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH I then did a 'build clean' then a 'build sol' and it built . TA DA! :-) Hope this info helps. Carolynn On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Michael J. Weiss wrote: > > First of all, I was not able to find a pre-done option to build for > > Solaris. > > It's the "sol" build. > > ...text deleted for brevity Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca PINE Administrator Computing and Information Services McMaster University, ABB-132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 09:44:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03898; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:44:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08878; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:26:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08872; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:26:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLZDC-00038KC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: g3836803@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Yongyuth Ruanta - PYPA - 3836803 ) Subject: Accommendation at Doi Inthanon Date: 1 Dec 1995 10:53:51 GMT Message-Id: <49mmrv$d23@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Hi i and my friends plan to go to Chiangmai next week and we want to stay at Doi inthanon on Dec 7 but we can contact with officer if any one know how to contact or resevation any accommendation there please let me know. Thank you Yongyuth From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 10:05:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05368; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:05:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09973; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:56:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gusun.acc.georgetown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09967; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:56:24 -0800 Received: by gusun.acc.georgetown.edu; (5.x/1.1.8.2/6Jan9518:19pm) id AA02319; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:50:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:50:22 -0500 (EST) From: Scot Hamilton To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Bug (ID Y777J): remote access freezing (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-1903590565-817839349=:26404" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-1903590565-817839349=:26404 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: Scot Hamilton To: Pine Developers Subject: Bug (ID Y777J): remote access freezing While composing a message on remote access from Georgetown Univ, very regularly the left arrow key will malfunction, giving beep and this sign [D]. This is also a signal to me that I will be unable to send or do anything with the current screen other that ^G, help. The phrase "unknown command also appears at bottom of screen (with beep). I just have to disconnect the modem. Often correlated with this is a real garbling of the text, sometimes going to the email address originally intended, once I manage to retreive the interupted message from another site (i.e. at the Univ).I have spoke with the local tech. staff who cannot tell me anything. I am sure it is not any mechanica problem with my keyboard, I operate on a brand new notebook with a PMCIA 14400 modem. It sends faxes and connects in with the unix just fine. Reading email is no problem either. Do you have any ideas? ---559023410-1903590565-817839349=:26404 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME="config.txt" Content-ID: Content-Description: Pine Configuration Data ========== struct pine * ========== ui: login = hamiltos, full = Scot Hamilton home = /srv/home2/hamiltos home_dir= /srv/home2/hamiltos hostname= gusun localdom= gusun userdom= NULL maildom= gusun cur_cntxt= mail/[] cur_fldr= INBOX actual mbox= /var/mail/hamiltos msgmap: tot=28, cur=28, del=2, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival inbox is mail_stream term type=dec-vt100, ttyname=/dev/pts/5, size=24x80, speed=normal ======= Current_val options set ======= personal-name : Scot Hamilton user-id : hamiltos inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi personal-print-comma : pine standard-printer : lp last-time-prune-ques : 95.12 last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/srv/home2/hamiltos/.pinerc) ======= folder-collections : mail/[] printer : attached-to-ansi personal-print-comma : pine last-time-prune-ques : 95.12 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lp bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd no-enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd no-enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders no-enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue no-enable-suspend no-enable-tab-completion no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks no-expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order no-preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys ---559023410-1903590565-817839349=:26404-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 10:27:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06312; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:27:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09529; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:12:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from offsv1.cis.McMaster.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09523; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:12:35 -0800 Received: (from cseeley@localhost) by offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA20435; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:12:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:12:33 -0500 (EST) From: Carolynn Seeley To: Mark Crispin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Building Pine On Sun and Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Carolynn Seeley wrote: OOOPS - sorry a typo - on the first system I did a 'build sun' > > I have just built PINE 3.91 on two of our campus systems that were running > PINE3.89. They are in test mode right now but will be put into production for > our >5000 ids in approximately two weeks. > > The first system: SUN Sparc 10 with OS SunOs 4.1.3_U1 > I did a 'build clean' and then 'build sol' and it built with only a few > warning messages. > > The second system: SUN Sparc 1000 with OS Sun 5.4 (Solaris 2.5) > I had a few problems with this one. BUT thanks to Ed Greshko > for sharing his info, I found the following three > steps he mentioned were DEFINITELY required: > 1. Make sure that /usr/opt/SUNWspro/bin appears in your path *before* > /usr/ucb > 2. Edit the makefile.sol file in the pine directory and add -Dconst= to > the CFLAGS line > 3. Make sure you *unset* the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > I then did a 'build clean' then a 'build sol' and it built . TA DA! :-) > > Hope this info helps. > > Carolynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca PINE Administrator Computing and Information Services McMaster University, ABB-132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 10:45:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07008; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:45:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10908; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:28:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from thurgood.uscourts.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10902; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:28:33 -0800 Received: from pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov by thurgood.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tLaDN-0001IhC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:29 EST Received: from dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov by pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0tLa8j-0000EfC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:24 EST Received: by dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0tLaDK-00000cC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:29 EST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:29:38 -0500 (EST) From: "J. Lynn Hilton" To: "Eric Ross, Colorado College" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 HELP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Curious. We've been running it since April with no problems whatsoever, under 5.4R3.10MU02. I've even recompiled it recently, to integrate ispell into Pico, and we've never had the least glitch. The patch that Eric details below is the only change I made, other than some options in pine/osdep/os-sv4.h. The only difference between our site and others may be the fact that we use Smail rather than sendmail. -- Lynn jlh@ao.uscourts.gov or lhilton@concept.com +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | J. Lynn Hilton | Home where the AViiONs roam | | Concept Automation Services, Inc. | | | AOUSC, One Columbus Circle, N.E. | Voice: 202-273-2413 | | Washington, DC 20544 | FAX: 202-273-2356 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Eric Ross, Colorado College wrote: > Joe: > > Bummer! I built the object we are running about a year ago, at 5.4R3 I > think. I just built it again now that we are at 5.4R3.10MU02, and just > as you say, attempting to reply produces: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal." > > Exiting Pine > > Eric Ross Colorado College > eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. > (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 > > On 30 Nov 1995, Joe Cygan wrote: > > > Eric Ross, Colorado College (eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu) wrote: > > : Joe: > > > > : You need to add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > > > > : *** os_d-g.c.proto Thu Oct 13 12:31:00 1994 > > : --- os_d-g.c Thu Oct 13 12:32:51 1994 > > : *************** > > : *** 59,64 **** > > : --- 59,65 ---- > > : #include "log_std.c" > > : #include "gr_waitp.c" > > : #include "tz_sv4.c" > > : + #include > > : > > : #undef utime > > : > > > > > > : Eric Ross Colorado College > > : eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. > > : (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 > > > > WELL.... > > > > This got it to ccompile on the DG/UX box. BUT.... > > I cannot reply. Everything else(well maybe not EVERYTHING) > > seems to work right. But, hit "r" to reply, then answer the > > question about copying the message. As soon as you type "y" > > or "n" to the copying message question. BOOM. core dump. > > > > :-/ > > > > Joe > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 10:50:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07408; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:50:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10384; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:41:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10378; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:41:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLaMu-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Leo Korbee Subject: print index, not using print-screen Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:07:47 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, One of the users (actualy my boss), asked how to print an index of a folder. He cannot use print-screen because he is connected with a hard-terminal to our systems. Any idea? THANKS in advance (Maybe I will be promoted) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo Korbee tel (020) 512 18 88 System Management NKI Research fax (020) 617 26 25 afdeling Biofysica Plesmanlaan 121 Nederlands Kanker Instituut 1066 CX AMSTERDAM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 11:05:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08086; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:05:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11572; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:51:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11566; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:51:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLaV5-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: cancelling a letter Date: 1 Dec 1995 02:46:15 GMT Message-Id: <49lq9n$1okm@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: In article , Eric M. Kidd wrote: >Are you using NCSA Telnet? If so, turn off the mapping of ^C, ^S and ^Q to >break, pause and resume, respectively. Helps with Emacs, too. =) By the way, to do this press command-s (hold down the key with the propeller and press S). Then delete the entries in each of the three fields in the dialog box displayed. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris/ System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 11:22:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09169; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:22:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11463; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:16:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11457; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:16:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLawk-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Al Bouchard Subject: Re: free advertising-response Date: 1 Dec 1995 17:37:42 GMT Message-Id: <49neh6$ipq@ns.campus.mci.net> References: <49gg7h$44t@sydney1.world.net> <49kpnv$clc@silver.starway.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm building a BBS called INLIGHT BBS for metaphysical products, books, tapes, discussion areas and some network marketing opportunities. INLIGHT BBS, P. O. Box 806, Dillsboro, NC 28725 USA [ANSI; 8-N-1], (704) 586-6831. Appreciate if you'd pass the word about my BBS. I'm also looking for an inexpensive way to connect my BBS to Internet. I'm just a beginner and struggling along to understand how all this works. Any suggestions? Thanks, Al Bouchard, SysOp From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 12:18:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12025; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:18:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13873; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:07:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13867; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:07:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLbf0-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere Date: 1 Dec 1995 18:01:38 GMT Message-Id: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> References: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) writes: >Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere >but doesn't get returned? >The reason for this is to put a dummy name such as To: distribution >, and put the real recipients in Bcc for big lists. >Addressing it to myself is the current scheme, but then sometimes people >think the mail is not for them. I'd use an alias to myself for the To: line. Example: To: FOO Mail List readers Subject: [FOO] BAR blah blah Hello, gentle readers of the FOO Mailing List! This is a test. Please ignore! me (FOO Mail List Maintainer) It's not perfect, but at least I know that I can filter all those mails into a mailing list folder. Sven Cc: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 12:27:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12435; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:27:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13955; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:09:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13913; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:08:53 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA05994; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:08:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:08:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" To: "J. Lynn Hilton" Cc: "Eric Ross, Colorado College" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 HELP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, J. Lynn Hilton wrote: > Curious. We've been running it since April with no problems whatsoever, > under 5.4R3.10MU02. I've even recompiled it recently, to integrate ispell > into Pico, and we've never had the least glitch. The patch that Eric details > below is the only change I made, other than some options in > pine/osdep/os-sv4.h. > > The only difference between our site and others may be the fact that we > use Smail rather than sendmail. > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Eric Ross, Colorado College wrote: > > > > Bummer! I built the object we are running about a year ago, at 5.4R3 I > > think. I just built it again now that we are at 5.4R3.10MU02, and just > > as you say, attempting to reply produces: > > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal." > > > > Exiting Pine Ah....I am NOT running MUO2. Only MUO1, since I was waiting for the big 4.1 > > > : You need to add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > > > > > > : *** os_d-g.c.proto Thu Oct 13 12:31:00 1994 > > > : --- os_d-g.c Thu Oct 13 12:32:51 1994 > > > : *************** > > > : *** 59,64 **** > > > : --- 59,65 ---- > > > : #include "log_std.c" > > > : #include "gr_waitp.c" > > > : #include "tz_sv4.c" > > > : + #include > > > : > > > : #undef utime > > > : I THOUGHT this was all I had done as well. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 13:17:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15277; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:17:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15704; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:08:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ra.isisnet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15632; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:05:59 -0800 Received: from ccn.cs.dal.ca by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id RAA18859; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:04:45 -0400 Received: by ccn.cs.dal.ca id <13315>; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:06:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:06:26 -0400 From: "Marsha C. Holmes" To: Sven Guckes Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere In-Reply-To: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This might be a "stupid" answer but, why not send it to yourself! It will, of course, go somewhere - directly to your own mailbox to do with as you please. Hope this isn't a "saucy" answer but one that might be of use to you! Marsha =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* Marsha C. Holmes |\ __ /.| (`\ ac573@ccn.cs.dal.ca _ .| o o |_ ) ) ----------------------(((---(((------------- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Sven Guckes wrote: > zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) writes: > >Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere > >but doesn't get returned? > >The reason for this is to put a dummy name such as To: distribution > >, and put the real recipients in Bcc for big lists. > >Addressing it to myself is the current scheme, but then sometimes people > >think the mail is not for them. > > I'd use an alias to myself for the To: line. > Example: > > To: FOO Mail List readers > Subject: [FOO] BAR blah blah > > Hello, gentle readers of the FOO Mailing List! > This is a test. Please ignore! > > me (FOO Mail List Maintainer) > > > It's not perfect, but at least I know that I can filter all those mails into > a mailing list folder. > > Sven > > Cc: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 14:03:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17956; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:03:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16467; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:57:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16461; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:57:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLdS7-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Tenex and scalability Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:59:30 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49m0ek$q7l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49m0ek$q7l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Trey, I can answer some of your comments. On 1 Dec 1995, Trey Harris wrote: > However, I am concerned that if at some point the Tenex format may > no longer be the path we want to take, for whatever reason, there > be a path of migration. Are there programs to convert from Tenex > to Berkeley format? Is the Tenex specification available so that > we can write our own utilities to convert its format to some other > in the future? Where would I find a paper documenting this mailbox > style? One of the programs in the imap-utils package, mbxcvt, can convert between any of the mailbox formats supported by c-client. imap-utils is on the ftp.cac.washington.edu server. It is possible that we will migrate to a new format I am developing called mbx format (I'm alpha-testing it now, but it's not ready for prime time), however tenex format will never be desupported in our toolkit. The Pine technical notes describe tenex format. > -- I am told that the Tenex format uses Unix filesystem semantics not > available under NFS. Is this true? Yes. It expects that file operations which are documented to be atomic are atomic; that when file data is updated there are no obsolete copies of the file data in some cache; and that a working facility to apply shared and exclusive locks (and switch between shared and exclusive) exists. None of these are true on NFS. NFS is great as a easy way to do FTP or rcp, but it is not a true filesystem. > If so, can I expect my mailserver to > be able to handle enough more IMAP clients with Tenex so that I can > convert my whole cluster to use IMAP exclusively? This, you will have to judge for yourself. Our experience with RS/6000 hardware and IMAP servers suggests the following: 1) More smaller disks are better than fewer large ones. Better to have eight 1GB spindles than a single 8GB spindle. 2) Try to have sendmail not use the same spindle as imapd. Sendmail uses a lot of disk bandwidth and you don't want it fighting with your imapds. The same thing holds for syslog and other daemons. 3) File fragmentation tends to be a problem on AIX. Since tenex files are accessed with random access I/O, they are almost never rewritten (and hence defragmented). You may need to write a defragmentation tool (shudder!) to defragment mail files every so often. 4) Don't swap on the same disk that does mail files either. > It seems that the 50-60 imapd processes it runs now are about all > it can manage in the Berkeley format. Is it likely that switching > to Tenex would allow the mailserver to run the 400-700 imapds > needed with similar performance? It all depends upon how much memory is available. The computer center splits its user community (the entire campus) across a dozen RS/6000 servers. They don't want to run out. imapd does not need much CPU. It's all a matter of memory and disk bandwidth. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 14:26:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19430; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:26:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17215; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:17:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Farstar.secapl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17208; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:17:43 -0800 Received: from Cookie.secapl.com (Cookie.secapl.com [192.108.247.19]) by Farstar.secapl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA165232; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:10:47 -0600 Received: by Cookie.secapl.com id AA221498 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:19:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:19:00 -0600 (CST) From: Carla Golden To: Ian Russell Ollmann Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Attachments In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Ian. > Carla, on a practical aside, have your friend send you the GIF as a > binhexed file from his mac. That should solve the transfer problem. > > For you dudes and dudettes at washington.edu, I am using pine 3.91 for sgi > on a Pers. Iris 4D/35 running IRIX 4.0.5. > > Ian > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 14:41:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20310; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:41:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17846; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:36:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from NL.CS.CMU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17840; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:36:36 -0800 Message-Id: <9512012236.AA17840@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 17:32:44 EST From: Henry.Robertson@NL.CS.CMU.EDU To: pine-info@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Subject: pine problems Hi, I have downloaded pine and it runs, but there are 2 major problems: 1. It won't recognize incoming mail, so it thinks I have no mail even when I do. 2. Whenever I send mail, although it does send mail successfully, it always beeps some error about failing to create sent-mail.lock. Any suggestions? Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 15:20:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22606; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:20:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18962; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:09:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18955; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:09:21 -0800 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0tLdf9-000sFPC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:10 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:04 MEZ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:08:14 +0100 (MET) From: Michael.Joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: Henry.Robertson@NL.CS.CMU.EDU Cc: pine-info@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Subject: Re: pine problems In-Reply-To: <9512012236.AA17840@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 1995 Henry.Robertson@NL.CS.CMU.EDU wrote: > > Hi, I have downloaded pine and it runs, but there are 2 major problems: > > 1. It won't recognize incoming mail, so it thinks I have no mail > even when I do. It may take a long time (usually 300 sec). Try ^L (Control-L) or move your cursor past the last line in the (I)ndex, then PINE will check for new emails. > > 2. Whenever I send mail, although it does send mail successfully, it always > beeps some error about failing to create sent-mail.lock. Look where this file is created (I think it's your maildirectory, look in the (C)onfig- Screen for folder-collections) and check if you have write-permissions for this directory. Looks like you don't have it (or don't have the directory at all! Set write-permissions or create the directory, that should do it. > > Any suggestions? > > Henry > > Ciao, Michael ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE If Not You, Who Else? (Terry Pratchett, Only You Can Save Mankind) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 15:29:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23022; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:29:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20159; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:17:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20153; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:17:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLeeN-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jarle@ast.cam.ac.uk (Jarle Brinchmann) Subject: Pine hangs when expunging messages (SunOS) Date: 01 Dec 1995 16:09:17 +0000 Message-Id: Hi. I have some troubles with Pine. Whenever I have messages in my INBOX I'm am not able to delete them. If I mark them as deleted and either try to quit or try to eXpunge them, pine hangs and must be killed (sometimes hangup suffices). I can, however, delete mail from other folders without any problem, it's just the INBOX that makes a problem. Pine always hangs if I try to quit and there is any mail in the INBOX actually, deleted or not. The only information I can get from the debugging files that seems to be slightly odd is the following: IMAP 15:49 12/1 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/jarle/.pine-interrupted-mail - mailcap_free - There is no such file as .pine-interrupted-mail... Does anyone know what may be the cause of this? The system is SunOS 5.4, the Pine version is 3.91. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jarle. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nuke the Whales ! | Jarle Brinchmann, | Email: jarle@ast.cam.ac.uk International Krill Union. | Web: http://www.uio.no/~jarleb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 15:48:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23918; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:48:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19826; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:37:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19820; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:37:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLexW-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tsung-Chieh Tsai Subject: spell check in Linux Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:16:56 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi: I am using Linux Slackware 3.0. The spelling check in pine is not working. Can anybody tell me how to config the system to use the ispell came with the Slackware. Any help will be appreciated. Tsung-Chieh Tsai ttsungc@master.ceat.okstate.edu ttsungc@rlab.cheng.okstate.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 16:04:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24577; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:04:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21390; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:57:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21384; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:57:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLfIS-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zz@panix.com (Alan J. Munn) Subject: problem with customizing pine header Date: 1 Dec 1995 14:52:19 -0500 Message-Id: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> I am zz@panix.com . Panix is an Internet Service Provider. I have a higher level domain: munn.nyc.ny.us . On that domain (serviced for me by Panix), I am a@munn.nyc.ny.us . I use Pine. I want my header to show my own higher level domain, not panix.com . So, I went to the Pine menu, chose setup, chose configure, and then changed the user-domain line to a@munn.nyc.ny.us . The result is that my header's from line became "Alan J. Munn" . I can't get rid of the zz as user ID. What I typed in (on the user-domain line of the configure menu) _before_ the @, gets put _after_ the @ on the from line of my header. Thus, a@munn.nyc.ny.us becomes zz@a . What I prefer on my from line is "Alan J. Munn" Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26555; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:50:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22685; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:42:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22679; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:42:10 -0800 Received: (from brianw@localhost) by nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA06139; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:40:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Williams To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine crashing In-Reply-To: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What is causing this: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Attempting to save debug file to /home/brianw/.pine-crash Brian Williams Automation Manager Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 16:55:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26707; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:55:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21923; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:49:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gti.gti.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21914; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:49:20 -0800 Received: by gti.gti.net (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0tLgAi-000jTQC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 19:51 EST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: P-B To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 22:13:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05209; Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:13:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27787; Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:04:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27781; Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:03:59 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05044; Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:03:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: "Alan J. Munn" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: problem with customizing pine header In-Reply-To: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alan, Set user-domain to just the domain, not your whole address. That is, lose the "a@". -teg On 1 Dec 1995, Alan J. Munn wrote: > > > I am zz@panix.com . Panix is an Internet Service Provider. > I have a higher level domain: munn.nyc.ny.us . > On that domain (serviced for me by Panix), I am > a@munn.nyc.ny.us . > > I use Pine. I want my header to show my own higher level > domain, not panix.com . So, I went to the Pine menu, chose > setup, chose configure, and then changed the user-domain line > to a@munn.nyc.ny.us . The result is that my header's from line > became > "Alan J. Munn" . > I can't get rid of the zz as user ID. What I typed in (on the > user-domain line of the configure menu) _before_ the @, gets put > _after_ the @ on the from line of my header. > > Thus, a@munn.nyc.ny.us becomes zz@a . > > What I prefer on my from line is > "Alan J. Munn" I will settle for > "Alan J. Munn" > > Please tell me what to do. > > > Alan > a@munn.nyc.ny.us > > -- > Alan > a@munn.nyc.ny.us > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 00:45:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07669; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:45:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00312; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:38:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00306; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:38:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLnSK-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: New messages Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:03:33 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 30 Nov 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > Pine used to beep when it received a new message. Now it no longer > beeps and in order to get new mail I have to exit Pine and run it again. > I changed my .procmail, would this have broken it?? Thanks in advance! If you changed your procmail recipes file such that ALL incoming mail now goes into some folder or other rather than remaining in the INBOX in the spool, then Pine would beep _only_ when a piece of mail was received _only_ when you had that particular folder open (i.e., the folder that mail was being stuffed into by procmail). What you are describing is not necessarily "broken" behavior but may just be the way Pine works in conjunction with filters such as procmail. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 02:08:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09166; Sat, 2 Dec 95 02:08:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02586; Sat, 2 Dec 95 02:02:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gatekeeper2.mcimail.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02580; Sat, 2 Dec 95 02:01:59 -0800 Received: from mailgate2.mcimail.com (mailgate2.mcimail.com [166.38.40.100]) by gatekeeper2.mcimail.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA00839; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:02:42 GMT Received: from mcimail.com by mailgate2.mcimail.com id aa25258; 2 Dec 95 10:01 WET Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 04:59 EST From: adwait To: pine-info , pine-faq , anant Subject: request for pine faq Message-Id: <54951202095945/0004955791D41X4@MCIMAIL.COM> To : pine-faq / pine-info >From : Adwait Dilip Gadre I had inquired about MIME to PINE-ROBOT@DOCSERVER.CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU they replied giving your address to ask about the Frequently Asked Questions ( FAQ ) to solve my queries to decode the mails coming to me from my friends on Internet as I am on X.400 E-mail named XEE-mail which does not allow me to read the mails as they are not readable. Please send me the FAQ so that i can update my info. about MIME and PINE I would also like to know about pine.pine.tar.^z which i hope is the utility to decode the messages coming in MIME encoded form. I hope to get the required info. Regards Adwait Dilip Gadre Datapro Information Technology Ltd., From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 05:12:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11944; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:12:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04955; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:04:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04949; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:04:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLrap-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: soukko@tne01.tele.nokia.fi (Tero, NTC/SWP/CPCSF, V10/305, +358 0 511 29912) Subject: Reply-To field Date: 2 Dec 95 11:52:24 EET Message-Id: <1995Dec2.115224.1@tnclus> Could someone tell me how do I insert Reply-To field in pine... and where can I find pine faq. t.Tero -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % tero.soukko@ntc.nokia.com % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 05:20:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12090; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:20:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04051; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:14:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04045; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:14:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLrhT-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pierre.Frenkiel@cdf.in2p3.fr (Pierre Frenkiel) Subject: Re: Pine crashing Date: 2 Dec 1995 11:42:07 GMT Message-Id: <49pe2f$ggr@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> References: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> I had the same problem. Tried to send a "bug report", but it seems there no hope to get any answer, other than the automatic one: "your mail is 1 over 1 million " !!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 05:39:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12435; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:39:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05334; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:34:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05328; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:34:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLs1P-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: soukko@tne01.tele.nokia.fi (Tero, NTC/SWP/CPCSF, V10/305, +358 0 511 29912) Subject: Re: Reply-To field Date: 2 Dec 95 12:37:39 EET Message-Id: <1995Dec2.123739.1@tnclus> References: <1995Dec2.115224.1@tnclus> In article <1995Dec2.115224.1@tnclus>, soukko@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi (Tero, NTC/SWP/CPCSF, V10/305, +358 0 511 29912) writes: > Could someone tell me how do I insert Reply-To field in pine... and where can I quess this was little too easy, I found the answer myself. In .pinerc there is a place for customized headers. > I find pine faq. > t.Tero -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % tero.soukko@ntc.nokia.com % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 06:26:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13072; Sat, 2 Dec 95 06:26:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04838; Sat, 2 Dec 95 06:20:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04832; Sat, 2 Dec 95 06:20:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLslc-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 06:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rmconra@ibm.net Subject: IMAP - New mail notification Date: 2 Dec 1995 12:55:20 GMT Message-Id: <49pibo$2afu@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Is there a version of biff (or some other program) that could notify me when new mail arrives even though we have imap installed and in use. If pine is running it contact the server and see but I don't want to be running pine all the time to check for new messages. Any help would greatly be appreciated. rob From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 07:34:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14048; Sat, 2 Dec 95 07:34:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06753; Sat, 2 Dec 95 07:24:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06747; Sat, 2 Dec 95 07:24:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLtmS-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 07:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: njvdhorn@solair1.inter.NL.net (N.J. van der Horn) Subject: Re: BCC? how? ? ? ! Message-Id: References: <49h34r$q01@leia.ursinus.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 14:15:39 GMT In article <49h34r$q01@leia.ursinus.edu> jbodarky@leia.ursinus.edu (Jonathan Bodarky) writes: >From: jbodarky@leia.ursinus.edu (Jonathan Bodarky) >Subject: BCC? how? ? ? ! >Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:46:35 -0500 >If anyone could help , i will be extremely grateful... >Is there a BCC function in pine? (Blind Carbon Copy?) >Meaning, is there any way that I can send to everyone on an addressbook >distribution list without everyone on that list seeing who the mail was >also sent to? >Please Email if you can help! >THANKS IN ADVANCE! >JOn While in COMPOSE-MODE press (Rich Hdr). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 08:11:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14534; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:11:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06134; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:04:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06128; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:04:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLuMW-00038HC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Building Pine On Sun and Solaris Date: 2 Dec 95 14:02:56 GMT Message-Id: References: cseeley@offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (Carolynn Seeley) writes: >I have just built PINE 3.91 on two of our campus systems that were running >PINE3.89. They are in test mode right now but will be put into production for >our >5000 ids in approximately two weeks. >The first system: SUN Sparc 10 with OS SunOs 4.1.3_U1 >I did a 'build clean' and then 'build sol' and it built with only a few >warning messages. This would seem to be a mistake. Among other things, it would look for mail in /var/mail/username instead of /var/spool/mail/username. I have not built pine for SunOS for over a year, but there is an option for regular SunOS. >The second system: SUN Sparc 1000 with OS Sun 5.4 (Solaris 2.5) This is also a mistake. SunOS 5.x maps to Solaris 2.x on a one-to-one basis for x, such that SunOS 5.4 equals the OS component of Solaris 2.4 (and the windowing system is OpenWindows 3.4). >I had a few problems with this one. BUT thanks to Ed Greshko > for sharing his info, I found the following three >steps he mentioned were DEFINITELY required: >1. Make sure that /usr/opt/SUNWspro/bin appears in your path *before* >/usr/ucb /usr/ucb should always be last in the path on Solaris. The main thing that people put it in the path early for is to get a bsd style df, but standard /usr/bin/df has two switches '-tk' that cause it to do the right thing. >2. Edit the makefile.sol file in the pine directory and add -Dconst= to >the CFLAGS line I really do not understand why this was not part of the distribution. Let's hope they get it right next time. >3. Make sure you *unset* the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH Ideally LD_LIBRARY_PATH should never be set. All binaries should be linked with the -R flag set (and the same value as -L) so they can find their dynamic libs. A piece of general advice to people who are compiling stuff on Solaris, you should get the Solaris Porting FAQ at the FAQ place, and hang out on c.u.solaris. In general Sun and AT&T did not do a good job with the src compat stuff when they developed SVR4, plus a lot of interfaces changed. Now that everyone has gotten most everything ported to the new SVR4 interfaces, Sun is adding some new bsd src compat stuff in Solaris 2.5, which will break backward compatibility from 2.5 back to 2.4 or 2.3 (no one should still be running Solaris < 2.3 anymore if they can possibly help it), so, even though 2.5 will support more of the bsd stuff, people should still avoid it unless they can guarantee no one will ever try to run the binaries on Solaris < 2.5. Get the Solaris Porting FAQ and do a proper SVR4 port of anything that is not already done. >I then did a 'build clean' then a 'build sol' and it built . TA DA! :-) >Hope this info helps. >Carolynn >On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Michael J. Weiss wrote: >> > First of all, I was not able to find a pre-done option to build for >> > Solaris. >> >> It's the "sol" build. >> >> ...text deleted for brevity > >Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca >Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca >PINE Administrator >Computing and Information Services >McMaster University, ABB-132 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 08:26:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14753; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:26:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07396; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:14:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07390; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:14:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLuXI-00038EC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu (Christopher W. Curtis) Subject: Re: more features requested Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:42:36 GMT In borsenkow.msk@sni.de (Andrej Borsenkow) writes: >3. When viewing message/rfc822 part (and ALL digest parts are message) >be able to Reply to original sender. Now I can reply only to the >submitter of digest as whole. I have checked such digests - normally >EVERY part has original sender as From: header. I'd like to second this ... apparently cc:Mail does some strange things with MIME - when I tried replying to a message I got generated by cc:Mail that was MIME'd, the "Include message text?" text was nothing but the headers - the real message was sent as an attachment. Secondly, does anyone know if there's a plan for PINE to support POP3 rather than [in addition to] IMAP (3-beta, 4-alpha, etc.) ?? TIA, -- Christopher Curtis, Sun SysAdmin - http://www.ee.fit.edu/users/ccurtis Florida Institute of Technology - telnet bofh.engr.wisc.edu 666 Melbourne, Florida USA - Member, Team OS/2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 11:11:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17591; Sat, 2 Dec 95 11:11:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08777; Sat, 2 Dec 95 11:04:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08771; Sat, 2 Dec 95 11:04:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLxBe-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 11:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gt1355b@acmey.gatech.edu (Chris) Subject: Re: PGP & PINE Date: 2 Dec 1995 02:30:42 GMT Message-Id: <49odoi$3oq@catapult.gatech.edu> References: Alex Minh-Hon Chau (amhchau@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : Hi there... I haven't seen any messages posted that says anything about : pine and pgp... How do you get pgp hooked up to pine? I have this script : that intercepts the editor before (elm) receives control. : I'm sure something like that can be done for pine right? Thanks... I've cobbled together a little script that I use to sign stuff. Basically, you enable an alternate editor, and then set the alternate editor to be the script. The script fires up pico (or your favorite editor; I use pico since that's the pine editor ;-) and you compose the letter. Then, when you exit, it asks if you want to sign it and if you want to digitally sign it. If so, it adds your .sig and your pgp signature. It's fairly short, so I won't bother uuencoding it. sign: #!/bin/sh #Edit the following to suit your needs. PATH_TO_SIG=$HOME/.mail.signature PINE_EDIT='pico -z -t' #Everything else is pretty much fixed. Only muck around with it if you #know what you're doing. $PINE_EDIT $1 clear echo "Add your signature to this? [Y/n] " read SIG echo " " echo "Digitally sign this? [Y/n] " read PGP if [ "$PGP" = "y" ] then pgp -sat $1 mv $1.asc $1 fi if [ "$PGP" = "Y" ] then pgp -sat $1 mv $1.asc $1 fi if [ "$PGP" = "" ] then pgp -sat $1 mv $1.asc $1 fi if [ "$SIG" = "y" ] then echo " " >> $1 cat $PATH_TO_SIG >> $1 fi if [ "$SIG" = "Y" ] then echo " " >> $1 cat $PATH_TO_SIG >> $1 fi if [ "$SIG" = "" ] then echo " " >> $1 cat $PATH_TO_SIG >> $1 fi Hope this helps. chris -- Chris Ricker : gt1355b@prism.gatech.edu : The Georgia Institute o' Technology "I got a threshold, Jules. I got a threshold for the abuse I'll take. And you're crossing it. I'm a race car and you got me in the red. Redline 7000, that's where you are. Just know, it's...dangerous to be drivin' a race car when it's in the red. It could blow." --Vincent Vega-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 12:26:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19230; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:26:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11101; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:19:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11095; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:19:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLyPP-00038EC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alex Minh-Hon Chau Subject: PGP & PINE Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:37:18 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there... I haven't seen any messages posted that says anything about pine and pgp... How do you get pgp hooked up to pine? I have this script that intercepts the editor before (elm) receives control. I'm sure something like that can be done for pine right? Thanks... Another thing... <> > <<>> > <<< <>>>> >>> _>><<<<>>>>>> >>> >> \|/ \<<<<< < >>>>>>>>> ------*--===<=<< > <<<<<< << << Big Al /|\ << () _/ < <<<<<<<<<<< amhchau@acs.ucalgary.ca < \ / \ >>>>>>> >>>>>> ____ | | | < < <<<<->>->>---___((- \\\\ \\\ \ o_|\ / <<< << \ \\\\ \ \\\\\\\\ | _/ \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | / / / \\ \\\\\\\\\ \ \\ ______/\/ / / / \\\ \\ / _ _____/ _/ ________( /( / / / ________/`---------' \ (\_ \_ /_/ \ \ \ \ \_\ || \ \ ) / | | \| \\_ / / | | \| / / || _// |\ /_| |/ $$$$$$$$ $$$$ $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$ $$$$ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 12:49:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19672; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:49:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10333; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:44:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10327; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:44:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLyjh-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zachcox@nando.net (Zach Cox) Subject: Recovering A Pine Session After Disconnect Date: 2 Dec 1995 16:32:52 GMT Message-Id: <49pv3k$gc5@castle.nando.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII My internet service provider gives each subscriber a UNIX shell account... That shell account has access to PINE as the mail program... I find this a very good way to handle e-mail since I can logon from various computers and all my mail is in one place rather than scattered all over the place... Every now and then I get disconnected in the middle of composing an e-mail... After getting successfully re-connected to and upon starting up PINE and choosing compose the message I was working on comes back just like I had used the ^O (postpone) option... I do not know what to do to assure that this event will take place... Sometimes it seems that the e-mail I was working on goes into the "bit-bucket"... I wonder if any "pine-grurus" (or perhaps UNIX grurus) out there know what to do to reattach to a session that was terminated by a disconnect... Murphy's Law states that this event will only occur while composing the longest messages... Thanks in advance... Zach... ======================================================================== Name: Zach Cox Senior Software Engineer. Internet: zachcox@nando.net Nexus Software Inc. CompuServe: 76543,2003 I teach computers how to dream. ======================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 13:16:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20333; Sat, 2 Dec 95 13:16:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11965; Sat, 2 Dec 95 13:09:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11959; Sat, 2 Dec 95 13:09:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLz8c-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 13:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: clameter@miriam.fuller.edu (Christoph Lameter) Subject: Can pine do colors? Date: 2 Dec 1995 10:20:42 -0800 Message-Id: <49q5dq$2ts@miriam.fuller.edu> I am running linux here. Linux supports colors and a lot of other features. How can pine use colors? And I tried pico with f-keys which also did not work under linux. Slackware 3.0.0. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christoph Lameter FTS Box 466, Pasadena, CA 91182 Internet Administrator Who is like Jesus... who is like God...? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 15:06:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22490; Sat, 2 Dec 95 15:06:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12349; Sat, 2 Dec 95 15:00:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12343; Sat, 2 Dec 95 15:00:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tM0sv-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 14:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: James Strickland Subject: (Linux) PINE hangs trying to open INBOX Date: 2 Dec 1995 01:19:58 GMT Message-Id: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been running PINE on my Linux machine for a couple of months without problems. I'm using a PPP connection to the machine which stores my mail. Until yesterday, PINE would start up, say "Opening INBOX...", pause for 5 seconds or so, then request login and password. Everything was hunky-dory, although I did wonder why there was the delay. Yesterday my Internet service provider noticed weird rsh requests - apparently PINE was attempting to start up an IMAP server on the remote host. Security was beefed up and now PINE will just hang when it gets to the "Opening INBOX..." message - apparently it tries the rsh request, doesn't handle the failure properly, and never attempts to contact the IMAP port on the remote host. Has anyone heard of such a problem? Does PINE in fact attempt an rsh? Why? How can I comment this out of the source? Any other pointers? Is this something magic/wrong with the Linux port of PINE? Help! Thanks in advance... (replies through email *will* work because I can just log into the mail server) -- James Strickland Interested in transportation issues? Try james@portal.ca http://www.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca/t2000bc/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 16:31:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24146; Sat, 2 Dec 95 16:31:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14671; Sat, 2 Dec 95 16:20:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14665; Sat, 2 Dec 95 16:20:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tM28x-00038HC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 16:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Deleting all mails with one command Date: 2 Dec 1995 15:14:18 -0800 Message-Id: <49qmka$j97@shellx.best.com> References: <49fdn1$k45@fu-berlin.de> jasafir@nando.net (Jesse Aaron Safir) writes: >> >Is there a way to delete all messages at one time? >> >> rm -rf $MAIL If it's an incoming folder, i.e., receives messages via something like procmail, then you should not delete it this way in case it is receiving a msg at the moment that you delete it. You should use a method that uses file locking, e.g., what Jesse describes below. >Or, if you only want to delete all messages in the current folder, enable >the aggregate command set and hit ";", then "a". All messages in the >current folder should be selected, so hit "a" then "d" and "x" and >they're gone... -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 20:31:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28001; Sat, 2 Dec 95 20:31:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16850; Sat, 2 Dec 95 20:25:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16838; Sat, 2 Dec 95 20:25:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tM5yl-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 20:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: p014677b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Anthony S Gambino) Subject: PCPine on non-network DOS machine? Date: 2 Dec 1995 07:00:51 GMT Message-Id: <49otj3$kss@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> A two part question: - Is there any way I can get PCPine to work on a non-networked DOS box? I've got numerous folders downloaded from my system (which has an *extremely* small quota) that I would like to be able to manipulate in a less-clumsy fashion than my current system (text editors and word processors). It's a real hassle to have to go through all these huge tfiles when I can use Pine to manipulate them very easily. - Where is PCPine located? Thanks for any help anyone can give. -- Anthony S. Gambino - p014677b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us - afn34486@afn.org "Heard a lot of talk about this Jesus, a man of love, a man of strength, But what a man was 2000 years ago, means nothing at all to me today." -- Live, "Operation Spirit" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 23:33:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01099; Sat, 2 Dec 95 23:33:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20297; Sat, 2 Dec 95 23:26:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20291; Sat, 2 Dec 95 23:26:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tM8nI-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 23:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere Date: 2 Dec 1995 06:40:42 GMT Message-Id: <49osda$mbc@news.orst.edu> References: In article , Zachary H Leber wrote: >Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere >but doesn't get returned? The reason for this is to put a dummy >name such as To: distribution , and put the real recipients >in Bcc for big lists. Addressing it to myself is the current scheme, >but then sometimes people think the mail is not for them. Why don't you create an alias and then send the mail to that alias? Or have your admin create it and point it at a file you own? Or, as a hoot, don't put a To: header in at all. Use only a BCC:, which can be blank. What you might be unaware of is that BCC was't intended to keep the recipients completely secret. It is permitted for the BCC list of addresses to be included in the mail sent to anyone in the BCC list. Just not to anyone in the To: or CC: header. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 01:26:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02769; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:26:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20854; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:21:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20848; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:21:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMAaO-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjw@pobox.com (Michael J. Weiss) Subject: What's The Difference Bet "By Sender" and "By From"? Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 11:08:52 GMT Message-Id: <49pc34$9dk@cocoa.brown.edu> The following is from the config screen in Pine 3.91: saved-msg-name-rule = Set Rule Values --- ---------------------- ( ) by-sender (*) by-from ( ) by-recipient ( ) last-folder-used ( ) default-folder What is the difference between the "by-sender" and "by-from" options? Thanks, Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 01:30:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02875; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:30:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21885; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:26:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21879; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:26:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMAfW-00038EC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: (Linux) PINE hangs trying to open INBOX Date: 3 Dec 1995 00:53:44 GMT Message-Id: <49qseo$is@news.ysu.edu> References: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> In a previous article, james@portal.ca (James Strickland) says: >I've been running PINE on my Linux machine for a couple of months without >problems. I'm using a PPP connection to the machine which stores my >mail. Until yesterday, PINE would start up, say "Opening INBOX...", pause >for 5 seconds or so, then request login and password. Everything was >hunky-dory, although I did wonder why there was the delay. Pine first makes a connection to your mailbox host, then attempts to exec the imapd on that host with an rsh process. If this fails, such as if you don't have a .rhosts file to permit access from your Linux box, Pine then reverts to the login/password authentication. This delay is due to the time taken for this rsh attempt at transparent passwordless login to fail and an IMAP port 143 connection to be established. To prevent Pine from trying this rsh login (whose intent is to make the IMAP access to the mail folders transparent to the users), specify the IMAP port number in the host specification separated from the hostname by a colon, like... {mailhost.your.domain:143}INBOX [also for folder connections*] Your delay should be shorter. There may still be a slight delay as Pine establishes the port 143 connection, but Pine will then skip the attempt at rsh. >Yesterday my Internet service provider noticed weird rsh requests - apparently >PINE was attempting to start up an IMAP server on the remote host. Security >was beefed up and now PINE will just hang when it gets to the "Opening >INBOX..." message - apparently it tries the rsh request, doesn't handle >the failure properly, and never attempts to contact the IMAP >port on the remote host. What your ISP has probably done is to install the tcp_wrapper package and configure it to refuse rsh attempts. However, there's a problem with the way this package closes the refused connection and what an attempt at an rsh without .rhosts or /etc/hosts.equiv fails. I forget the details, maybe someone else can provide them, and possibly configuration to the tcp_wrapper package so this is not a problem. In short, if you try an rsh process that fails (darn it, the security measures I had set up seem to be no longer in effect so I can't describe how it would look) with something other than a Login incorrect or similar, then use the :143 to bypass this authentication. * I believe there is some minor bug related to a hack I made to the folder collections. This would only affect you if you do not already have an IMAP connection to your host, for your primary INBOX, for example. I know my hack to specify username in the .pinerc** wouldn't work there; I'm not sure if the port specification is ignored as well. ** Don't ask. My hacks were wiped out from all the accounts where I had them saved, sorry. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 03:30:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04616; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:30:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22373; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:16:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22367; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:16:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMCMt-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ben T. Feese" Subject: Re: printing Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:03:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Jill, Look at the following entry in your .pinerc file and make sure it reads as follows: # Your printer selection printer=attached-to-ansi Then when you hit the Y key, the printing should occur on your local printer (or to whatever printer you may have re-directed your local printing to. Let me know if you have further problems. ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) http://www.centre.edu Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 ============================================================================= On Tue, 28 Nov 1995 jilmarie@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know how to print something out of e-mail to my local printer > rather then to the schools computer? > Thanks, > Jill > jilmarie@imap2.asu.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 03:54:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04912; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:54:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23745; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:41:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23739; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:41:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMClB-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dung Le Hoang Subject: Testing Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 00:02:05 +1000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please ignore _/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ _--_|\ Dung Le Hoang EMail: DL.Hoang@fsc.qut.edu.au / QUT Systems Officer Phone: +61 7 3864 2920 \_.--._/ School of Mathematics Fax: +61 7 3864 2310 v Queensland University of Technology Box 2434 Brisbane Q 4001 AUSTRALIA __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 09:08:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09286; Sun, 3 Dec 95 09:08:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26788; Sun, 3 Dec 95 08:52:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26782; Sun, 3 Dec 95 08:52:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMHdk-00038EC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 08:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: [Q] Can I use pine with a Pop account? Date: 2 Dec 1995 15:03:37 -0800 Message-Id: <49qm09$gdm@shellx.best.com> References: lgentes@netcom.com (Lockley Gentes) writes: >How can I access a pop mail account with unix pine?? >Also, how can I specify a different login and/or password?? Is the host running imapd? If so, you can use IMAP to access your messages. -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 09:57:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10001; Sun, 3 Dec 95 09:57:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28508; Sun, 3 Dec 95 09:44:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [202.54.1.113] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28496; Sun, 3 Dec 95 09:44:20 -0800 Received: by giascl01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0211PM) id AA19311; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:17:42 GMT Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:17:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "Amit Gupta, Calcutta, India" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 10:09:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10184; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:09:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28731; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:00:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from merlin.nando.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28715; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:00:00 -0800 Received: from parsifal.nando.net by merlin.nando.net (4.1/davel-nando/dec93) id AA08214; Sun, 3 Dec 95 12:59:37 EST Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 13:00:29 -0500 (EST) From: Jesse Aaron Safir To: Borek@psg.com, Lupomesky@psg.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Automated logins in Pine - how In-Reply-To: <49ko1p$ov4@ns.felk.cvut.cz> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Borek, > When I read mail remotely via IMAP, Pine asks for username and password. > Can this be automated? You should be able to set your userid in pc-pine's Setup/Config: # Your login/e-mail user name user-id=jasafir Otherwise, unix pine should offer to use the same username on the remote imap server as on your current login. As far as automating the process, to my knowledge your only option would be to use "initial-keystroke-list" in Setup/Config and get the sequencing right. Also, make sure that if you put your password in there, you at least "chmod o-r ~/.pinerc". I'd like to see increased imap login functionality in future versions of pine, but I don't know what changes, if any are planned... Viel Gluck! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Either THIS, or something grander and greater in Thy sight, oh Lord *** ***** Jesse Aaron Safir, UNC--Chapel Hill, I speak for myself ONLY! ***** ******* http://www.unc.edu/~jasafir ==> last updated 9-3-95 ******* ********** ====> jasafir@email.unc.edu, (919) 914-1313 (h) <==== ********** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 11:01:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10892; Sun, 3 Dec 95 11:01:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29462; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:52:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29455; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:52:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMJTr-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: What's The Difference Bet "By Sender" and "By From"? Date: 2 Dec 1995 23:59:07 GMT Message-Id: <49qp8b$r40@news.ysu.edu> References: <49pc34$9dk@cocoa.brown.edu> In a previous article, mjw@pobox.com (Michael J. Weiss) says: >saved-msg-name-rule = >What is the difference between the "by-sender" and "by-from" options? Certain LISTSERV mail exploders send out their mails with the ``From:'' header as the person who sent the message to the list, and the ``Sender:'' field containing the name of the list. Chances are, if you don't pre-sort your mail through some filter program, you'll want to save all mail arriving in your INBOX from a mailing list to a folder of the same (or similar) name, rather than to a folder with the name of the person who sent the message to the list. By selecting the by-sender option, such LISTSERV mail will be put into a LIST-L style folder name. With the by-from option, a separate folder will be used for each list participant. If memory serves, the by-sender rule actually was the by-from behavior through Pine3.85 . -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 14:50:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15799; Sun, 3 Dec 95 14:50:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03258; Sun, 3 Dec 95 14:48:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tempest.ece.uiuc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03252; Sun, 3 Dec 95 14:48:08 -0800 Received: (from bzimmer@localhost) by tempest.ece.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04635; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 16:48:05 -0600 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 16:48:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian T. Zimmer" X-Sender: bzimmer@tempest.ece.uiuc.edu To: pine Subject: Automatic CC's Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, When other people using pine mail an original message to me, I am automatically included as a CC. It asks if I wish to "Reply to all recipients?" Why is this?? Thanks, Brian ----- Brian Zimmer bzimmer@uiuc.edu http://www.ziclix.com/~bzimmer "Adventure is where others aren't" - Rheinhold Messner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 15:11:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16140; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:11:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02558; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:08:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02552; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:07:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMNTr-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Will Baldwin" <76200.275@compuserve.com> Subject: PcPine local INBOX? Date: Sun, 3 Dec 95 12:45:20 CST Message-Id: <58480.76200.275@compuserve.com> I'm trying to run PcPine (WATTCP version) on a stand alone PC through Etherppp via modem to the Compuserve gateway. It seems to connect OK, but keeps asking me for an INBOX. I have tried to define INBOX in Pinerc as a local file on my hard drive, but it doesn't seem to take. It seems I connect OK to Compuserve, but when I try to download Usenet newsgroups, PINE hangs. Is this related to the INBOX problem? Anyone have a patch that allows PCPine to use a local INBOX? Please respond only by email, since my access to Usenet is irregular. TIA. -- Will Baldwin - Joplin, Mo, USA - email: 76200.275@compuserve.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 15:28:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16482; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:28:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03798; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:23:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03792; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:23:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMNhI-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: James Strickland Subject: Re: (Linux) PINE hangs trying to open INBOX Date: 3 Dec 1995 18:56:50 GMT Message-Id: <49srti$hiv@wolfe.wimsey.com> References: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> <49qseo$is@news.ysu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you!!!! The {mailhost.your.domain:143}INBOX fix works! -- James Strickland Interested in transportation issues? Try james@portal.ca http://www.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca/t2000bc/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 16:15:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17568; Sun, 3 Dec 95 16:15:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03584; Sun, 3 Dec 95 16:12:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THULE.MT.CS.CMU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03578; Sun, 3 Dec 95 16:12:01 -0800 Message-Id: <9512040012.AA03578@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from [127.0.0.1] by THULE.MT.CS.CMU.EDU id aa06008; 3 Dec 95 19:11 EST Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: Your message of "03 Dec 1995 18:56:50 GMT." <49srti$hiv@wolfe.wimsey.com> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 19:11:57 -0500 From: Henry Robertson UNSUBSCRIBE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 17:43:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19480; Sun, 3 Dec 95 17:43:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04944; Sun, 3 Dec 95 17:38:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04938; Sun, 3 Dec 95 17:38:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMPnZ-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 17:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 3 Dec 1995 01:18:08 GMT Message-Id: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just discovered, to my considerable cost and embarrassment, that pine hasn't the simplest idea of privacy. (I'm using 3.91 compiled for Solaris.) I post to a newsgroup. (1) Someone emails me concerning that post, doing a reply to me. (2) I email a reply to them. (3) Since they emailed me, it's now a private conversation unless both parties agree to make it public. So, when I send the email reply in pine, pine pops up a helpful question. 'Do you want to post this to the newsgroups X too?' And I say yes, because I assume that for pine to ask me, the email I am replying to must have been both mailed and posted. This is not the case. pine asks this seemingly helpful question anyway, regardless of whether or not (2) was mailed or mailed-and-posted. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TRAP I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF FALLING INTO. Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? L. -- netboy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 19:35:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21360; Sun, 3 Dec 95 19:35:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06484; Sun, 3 Dec 95 19:31:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06478; Sun, 3 Dec 95 19:31:05 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21221; Sun, 3 Dec 95 19:30:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Lloyd Wood Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In a probably futile endeavor to foreshorten yet another protracted and pointless flame-fest on this topic, here are a few facts: o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, which were *not* also posted via NNTP. o In order to accommodate the behavior of these newsreaders (which we feel is at *best* ill-advised), Pine 3.92 will ignore Newsgroups headers when deciding whether to give you the CHOICE of posting, unless there is also a PATH header. o In the meantime, you can tell procmail to delete such newsgroup headers in incoming email messages. -teg On 3 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote: > I have just discovered, to my considerable cost and embarrassment, > that pine hasn't the simplest idea of privacy. > (I'm using 3.91 compiled for Solaris.) > > I post to a newsgroup. (1) > Someone emails me concerning that post, doing a reply to me. (2) > I email a reply to them. (3) > > Since they emailed me, it's now a private conversation unless > both parties agree to make it public. > > So, when I send the email reply in pine, pine pops up a helpful > question. 'Do you want to post this to the newsgroups X too?' > > And I say yes, because I assume that for pine to ask me, the > email I am replying to must have been both mailed and posted. > > This is not the case. pine asks this seemingly helpful question anyway, > regardless of whether or not (2) was mailed or mailed-and-posted. > > THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TRAP I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF FALLING INTO. > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. > > So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? > > L. > > -- > netboy > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 20:22:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22426; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:22:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07994; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:18:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07988; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:18:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMSHv-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: problem with customizing pine header Date: 3 Dec 1995 16:57:09 GMT Message-Id: <49skt5$ssv@news.ysu.edu> References: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> In a previous article, gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) says: >Set user-domain to just the domain, not your whole address. >That is, lose the "a@". > >On 1 Dec 1995, Alan J. Munn wrote: > >> I am zz@panix.com . Panix is an Internet Service Provider. >> I have a higher level domain: munn.nyc.ny.us . >> On that domain (serviced for me by Panix), I am >> a@munn.nyc.ny.us . >> >> I use Pine. I want my header to show my own higher level >> domain, not panix.com . So, I went to the Pine menu, chose >> setup, chose configure, and then changed the user-domain line >> to a@munn.nyc.ny.us . The result is that my header's from line >> became >> "Alan J. Munn" . That won't quite work in this case. Pine's user-domain setting allows you to change the domain, but not the login. In order to change the login, as this user needs to do, it would be necessary to be running a version of Pine custom-compiled to allow changing of the From: header. If such a version is being run, then the From: can be rewritten to be From: "Alan J. Munn" This is necessary if the desired login is different. For the most part, it would be adequate to add an optional custom Reply-To: header field with the a@munn... address, since the majority of e-mail programs will direct mail to that address, but there are some cases where using the From: field is desirable. >> I can't get rid of the zz as user ID. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 20:50:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22799; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:50:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07605; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:46:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from talabah.iiu.my by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07595; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:45:54 -0800 Received: (from anhar@localhost) by talabah.iiu.my (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA22967; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:44:56 +0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:44:55 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Anhar Arshat To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Frequently Asked Question List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kindly sent me the faq list for my reference. Thank you. Love Anhar From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 21:43:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23797; Sun, 3 Dec 95 21:43:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08406; Sun, 3 Dec 95 21:39:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08400; Sun, 3 Dec 95 21:39:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMTZc-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 21:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: more features requested Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 11:59:28 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Christopher W. Curtis wrote: > Secondly, does anyone know if there's a plan for PINE to support POP3 > rather than [in addition to] IMAP (3-beta, 4-alpha, etc.) ?? Pine supports POP3 now, but it's buggy (the bugs are fixed in Pine 3.92). Not that anyone would *want* to use POP3 if they have IMAP available. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 23:54:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25786; Sun, 3 Dec 95 23:54:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10904; Sun, 3 Dec 95 23:44:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10898; Sun, 3 Dec 95 23:44:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMVVo-00038EC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 23:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: PGP & PINE Date: 3 Dec 1995 22:01:39 -0500 Message-Id: <49toaj$4ec@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: Alex Minh-Hon Chau writes: >Hi there... I haven't seen any messages posted that says anything about >pine and pgp... How do you get pgp hooked up to pine? I have this script >that intercepts the editor before (elm) receives control. >I'm sure something like that can be done for pine right? Thanks... >Another thing... [23-line signature deleted. 5 lines are widely considered sufficient.] There is a csh script that does the job. For info: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu For the script itself, send blank e-mail to: slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: mkpgp -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information with the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 00:22:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26575; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:22:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10601; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:14:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10595; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:14:08 -0800 Received: from mail.ip.portal.com (mail.ip.portal.com [156.151.6.17]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA23484 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 00:12:59 -0800 Received: from wardah.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (kfupm.edu.sa [156.151.129.5]) by mail.ip.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA26793 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 00:12:21 -0800 Received: from khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa [196.1.64.97]) by wardah.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (8.6.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23016 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:53:11 +0300 Received: from yanbu.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa by khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (5.0/SMI-SVR4-khuzama) id AA00099; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:55:27 +0300 From: suhaib@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (Suhaib Khan) Message-Id: <9512041355.AA00099@khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa> Received: by yanbu.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (NX5.67c/NX3.0X) id AA00782; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:55:53 +0300 Subject: using ispell with pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:55:52 +0300 (GMT+0300) Cc: suhaib@khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (Suhaib Khan) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 297 Apologies if this has been answered n times before - we do not have full internet access at this site. Is is possible to use the interactive spell checker ispell with pine to check composed messages before they are sent? Please email you reply to: suhaib@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa regards, Suhaib Khan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 00:23:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26620; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:23:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11459; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:17:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ms.uibk.ac.at by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11453; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:17:28 -0800 Received: from dm.uibk.ac.at (dme.uibk.ac.at) by uibk.ac.at with SMTP id AA22361 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:17:18 +0100 Received: by dm.uibk.ac.at (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/CFIBK-2f.IRIX) id JAA05190; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:17:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:17:18 +0100 (MET) From: Ralf Kronberger To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubcribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 00:45:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27040; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:45:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11036; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:34:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11030; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:34:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMWHX-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: (Linux) PINE hangs trying to open INBOX Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 11:43:02 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> Pine tries the command "rsh IMAPSERVER /etc/rimapd" to see if it can get a IMAP connection using rsh authentication. If you do not have rsh permission, or if /etc/rimapd does not exist, then the rsh command gets an error and it will open a TCP connection to port 143 (the IMAP port) which will require you to log in. Normally, the rsh rejection happens in a few seconds. Your ISP made the usual knee-jerk response, which was to turn off rsh service in a paranoid assumption that "security was being violated". No such thing was actually happening, and generally sites which behave this way are clueless about real security problems which go on. The problem with the knee-jerk response is that they usually do it wrong; they simply remove rsh service or filter out rsh packets. The problem is that without an explicit refusal from an rsh server, the rsh client will take a substantial amount of time before it times out. Pine is sitting there waiting for the rsh program to do something. Pine 3.92 will impose a 10 second alarm clock around the rsh call. The right fix it to get your ISP to turn off rsh properly, or find another ISP. The workaround that you can do now is to force Pine to connect to port 143, skipping the rsh step. You do that by appending ":143" to the hostname in the mailbox specification. For example, in .pinerc: inbox-path={imapserver.paranoid-isp.com:143}inbox Another workaround, if you assume that you will never be able to use rsh, would be to remove the rsh binary from your system and/or rename it so that Pine cannot find it. On 2 Dec 1995, James Strickland wrote: > I've been running PINE on my Linux machine for a couple of months without > problems. I'm using a PPP connection to the machine which stores my > mail. Until yesterday, PINE would start up, say "Opening INBOX...", pause > for 5 seconds or so, then request login and password. Everything was > hunky-dory, although I did wonder why there was the delay. > > Yesterday my Internet service provider noticed weird rsh requests - apparently > PINE was attempting to start up an IMAP server on the remote host. Security > was beefed up and now PINE will just hang when it gets to the "Opening > INBOX..." message - apparently it tries the rsh request, doesn't handle > the failure properly, and never attempts to contact the IMAP > port on the remote host. > > Has anyone heard of such a problem? Does PINE in fact attempt an rsh? > Why? How can I comment this out of the source? Any other pointers? > Is this something magic/wrong with the Linux port of PINE? > > Help! > > Thanks in advance... > (replies through email *will* work because I can just log into the mail > server) > > -- > James Strickland Interested in transportation issues? Try > james@portal.ca http://www.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca/t2000bc/ > > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 01:08:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27637; Mon, 4 Dec 95 01:08:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11309; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:56:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from maila.surrey.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11303; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:56:03 -0800 Received: from ee.surrey.ac.uk (actually ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk) by maila.surrey.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:55:38 +0000 Received: from kira.ee.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk via Ethernet with SMTP id aa04356; 4 Dec 95 8:55 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:55:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Lloyd Wood To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > In a probably futile endeavor to foreshorten yet another protracted and > pointless flame-fest on this topic, here are a few facts: > > o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a > Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, > which were *not* also posted via NNTP. > > o In order to accommodate the behavior of these newsreaders (which we > feel is at *best* ill-advised) That behaviour is most certainly not ill-advised. (The newsreader in question was rn, by which all other newsreaders are judged and many are found lacking.) If the reply is in response to a thread that has been crossposted to more than one group, the Newsgroups: line could provide useful information saying which group was being read for the response to be made, which can influence how you in turn respond. If newsreaders used the Newsgroups: line to indicate which group was being read at the time, rather than just copying the line from the posted article being replied to, we'd see a lot less spamming in newsgroups, and a lot more newsgroup-relevant discussion as followups settled into the most relevant group. > Pine 3.92 will ignore Newsgroups > headers when deciding whether to give you the CHOICE of posting, unless > there is also a PATH header. A very sensible decision. L. Lloyd Wood, CSER Networks Group, University of Surrey, +44 1483 300800 x3435 netboy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 03:00:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29638; Mon, 4 Dec 95 03:00:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12765; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:49:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12759; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:49:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMYQZ-00038EC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pierre.Frenkiel@cdf.in2p3.fr (Pierre Frenkiel) Subject: Re: Deleting all mails with one command Date: 4 Dec 1995 07:57:35 GMT Message-Id: <49u9lf$rq0@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> References: <49fdn1$k45@fu-berlin.de> <49qmka$j97@shellx.best.com> : >Or, if you only want to delete all messages in the current folder, enable : >the aggregate command set and hit ";", then "a". All messages in the : >current folder should be selected, so hit "a" then "d" and "x" and : >they're gone... it seems that the "D" command, when viewing folder, does the job in a way which requires less typing ( including the "y" answer when you want to create the folder again) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 03:37:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00477; Mon, 4 Dec 95 03:37:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13622; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:54:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13616; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:54:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMYW8-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 05:53:50 GMT Message-Id: <49u2de$j5i@guava.epix.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: : I have just discovered, to my considerable cost and embarrassment, : that pine hasn't the simplest idea of privacy. : (I'm using 3.91 compiled for Solaris.) : I post to a newsgroup. (1) : Someone emails me concerning that post, doing a reply to me. (2) Well, you see he didn't e-mail you he replied to you. : I email a reply to them. (3) : Since they emailed me, it's now a private conversation unless : both parties agree to make it public. : So, when I send the email reply in pine, Well you did use a x-mailer mozilla (sp) not pine, but ... : pine pops up a helpful : question. 'Do you want to post this to the newsgroups X too?' : And I say yes, because I assume that for pine to ask me, the : email I am replying to must have been both mailed and posted. Yes if it asks you that it was probably both mailed and posted, or it was a (r)eply from a posting of yours to a newsgroup, NOT a private email message, yer almost correct. : This is not the case. pine asks this seemingly helpful question anyway, : regardless of whether or not (2) was mailed or mailed-and-posted. : THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TRAP I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF FALLING INTO. : Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you : to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as : mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. : So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? You don't need to hack anything, just answer (n)o rather than (y)es when asked 'do you want to post this ... etc' Sheessh ... If you answer (y)es to the question 'do you want to post this?', what do you think may happen ... Only a thought! BYE. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 07:26:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05239; Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:26:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16606; Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:02:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16600; Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:02:53 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04630; Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:01:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 07:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Lloyd Wood Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote: > > o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a > > Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, > > which were *not* also posted via NNTP. > > That behaviour is most certainly not ill-advised. (The newsreader in > question was rn, by which all other newsreaders are judged and many > are found lacking.) The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a message should be posted to. The concept of which newsgroups a message thread originated in is an entirely different one, and using the same header for both is "at best, ill-advised", rn apologists notwithstanding. Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. Since Pine 3.92 will include a work-around for the rn behavior, the issue is moot. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 10:49:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13976; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:49:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23043; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:31:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THULE.MT.CS.CMU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23034; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:31:52 -0800 Message-Id: <9512041831.AA23034@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: from [127.0.0.1] by THULE.MT.CS.CMU.EDU id aa06622; 4 Dec 95 13:31 EST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: HELP!!! Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 13:31:34 -0500 From: Henry Robertson I need to unsubscribe robohen@cs.cmu.edu, but majordomo refuses to do it because my e-mail is handled by robohen@nl.cs.cmu.edu. My mailbox is deluged with messages from this forum and I must go on. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 11:18:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15360; Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:18:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23153; Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:05:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23147; Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:05:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMg96-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eli@cs.cmu.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 17:14:03 GMT Message-Id: <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article , Paul O Bartlett wrote: > Calm down. All you have to do is answer 'no' when Pine asks you >whether you want to reply to the newsgroup also. Probably the original >response you got had a newsgroup header in it -- that's the sender's >problem -- so Pine is actually doing you a favor of allowing you to make >a choice. "Do you want to blow away your inode table too? (Y/N)" Sure, it's the user's fault. But it's Pine's fault too. I've seen enough people bitten by this feature that I have to consider it a design bug. You don't have to be totally clueless to make the mistaken assumption that the program knows what it's doing. I don't understand why Pine feels the need to ask this question. A Newsgroups: header is no indication that the message was mailed-and- posted -- unfortunately, there is no standard way to indicate this, AFAIK. And unintended privacy is a much better failure mode than unintended publicity. If you're a Pine user, how often do you answer "yes" to this question, or have you turned it off? Not having used Pine, I may be off base: if this feature is off by default and gives a warning on activation, the user has only himself to blame. -- Eli Brandt eli+@cs.cmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 13:13:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21705; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:13:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27726; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:07:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from aldrin.eng.usf.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27720; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:07:14 -0800 Received: (from black@localhost) by aldrin.eng.usf.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA01215; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:07:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:07:18 -0500 (EST) From: James Black X-Sender: black@aldrin To: Eli Brandt Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, On 4 Dec 1995, Eli Brandt wrote: > In article , > Paul O Bartlett wrote: > > Calm down. All you have to do is answer 'no' when Pine asks you > >whether you want to reply to the newsgroup also. Probably the original > >response you got had a newsgroup header in it -- that's the sender's > >problem -- so Pine is actually doing you a favor of allowing you to make > >a choice. > > "Do you want to blow away your inode table too? (Y/N)" > > Sure, it's the user's fault. But it's Pine's fault too. I've seen > enough people bitten by this feature that I have to consider it a > design bug. You don't have to be totally clueless to make the > mistaken assumption that the program knows what it's doing. As a frequent user of pine I have gotten used to thinking before answering yes, and I usually say no if I am not sure, so that privacy is protected. Regardless what you do some people will complain as the computer should be psychic, and it is not. My second rule of programming is: Computers are stupid (Rule 1 is KISS). Just my $0.02, but when asked a question think and don't assume. Take care and have fun. ========================================================================== James Black (Comp Sci/Comp Eng sophomore) e-mail: black@eng.usf.edu http://www.eng.usf.edu/~black/index.html ************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 13:32:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22673; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:32:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28334; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:26:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [192.100.195.101] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28328; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:26:10 -0800 Received: (from jcordova@localhost) by amoxcalli.leon.uia.mx (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01987; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:25:52 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:25:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Josi Manuel Csrdova Villanueva To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Setup Pc-Pine Winsock Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Srs. I am trying to setup pc - pine winsock but it does not work. I get Can't connect to amoxcalli.leon.uia.mx,143: Refused(10061) and I have in /etc/services the next line imap3 143/tcp #mail services and in /etc/inetd.conf imap sream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd imapd What can I do? Thanks a lot jcordova@amoxcalli.leon.uia.mx Jose Manuel Cordova V. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 14:17:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24864; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:17:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29154; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:11:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29148; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:11:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMj68-00038EC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 09:40:24 -0800 Message-Id: <49vbq8$ia@shellx.best.com> References: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote: >> That behaviour is most certainly not ill-advised. (The newsreader in >> question was rn, by which all other newsreaders are judged and many >> are found lacking.) > >The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a >message should be posted to. > >The concept of which newsgroups a message thread originated in is an >entirely different one, and using the same header for both is "at best, >ill-advised", rn apologists notwithstanding. > >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. Since Pine >3.92 will include a work-around for the rn behavior, the issue is moot. I also don't want to get into another discussion about this. If you are interested in helping to come up with a set of message headers that will be meaningful to both mail and news user agents, please read comp.mail.headers and consider joining the mailnews-l mailing list. Information about that list is at: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/mailnews.html Thanks, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 14:18:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24923; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:18:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29630; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:11:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29624; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:11:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMj67-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 09:29:09 -0800 Message-Id: <49vb55$lf8@shellx.best.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: > o In the meantime, you can tell procmail to delete such newsgroup headers > in incoming email messages. Here's a procmail recipe that should work to do this: :0 fhw * ^Newsgroups: * ! ^Message-Id:.*Pine | formail -R Newsgroups: X-Originated-In-Newsgroups: I have lots of info about setting up and using procmail at: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/procmail/ Good luck, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 15:18:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28357; Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:18:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01550; Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:09:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01544; Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:09:15 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28095; Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:09:13 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:09:12 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: more features requested In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think it's important to distinguish access protocols and access paradigms... I believe that when most people ask for POP support, they have in mind "offline" access, wherein mail is downloaded from the server and deleted. Pine does not yet support offline message processing, but that is a planned enhancement. As Mark states, if you want to access a mail server in *online* mode, but using POP rather than IMAP, you can do that today (by recompiling Pine with a recent c-client version to fix some bugs). Presumbaly this scenario is only of interest where a provider refuses to run an IMAP daemon. For more info on this topic, see ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.vs.pop -teg On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Christopher W. Curtis wrote: > > Secondly, does anyone know if there's a plan for PINE to support POP3 > > rather than [in addition to] IMAP (3-beta, 4-alpha, etc.) ?? > > Pine supports POP3 now, but it's buggy (the bugs are fixed in Pine 3.92). > Not that anyone would *want* to use POP3 if they have IMAP available. > > -- Mark -- > > DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 17:21:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04887; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:21:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05799; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:13:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from aruba.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05793; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:13:14 -0800 Received: (from yontaek@localhost) by aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA55061; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:14:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:14:16 -0700 (MST) From: Yontaek Choi X-Sender: yontaek@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Delete all Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am trying to delete all the messages (more than 1,000) in a folder at a time. I typed ";" for select, "a" for all, and "d" for delete. But, instead of all messages, just one where the cursor is located is deleted. What's wrong? I cannot find any Config about this. Yontaek From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 17:46:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06007; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:46:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05860; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:39:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05854; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:39:28 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05625; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:39:20 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:39:19 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Yontaek Choi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Delete all In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You are missing one "a" for the "apply" command, so you need: ;aad (In the absence of Apply, commands affect just the current msg.) -teg On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Yontaek Choi wrote: > I am trying to delete all the messages (more than 1,000) in a folder at a > time. I typed ";" for select, "a" for all, and "d" for delete. But, > instead of all messages, just one where the cursor is located is > deleted. What's wrong? I cannot find any Config about this. > > Yontaek > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 20:54:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10799; Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:54:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09830; Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:47:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09824; Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:47:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMpG2-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bhunt@brians.umd.edu (Brian R. Hunt) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 5 Dec 95 02:06:49 GMT Message-Id: References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> vik@teleport.com (Vikram Lall) writes: >I am writing a shell script to add entries to aliases >in the .addressbook file, but before I start, I wanted to >run some things by you experts! I'm no expert, but I've done some experimenting and am also interested in any better suggestions, here is what I've learned. >1. Will pine be okay with the .addressbook being written to? Yes. >2. Has this been done before, and do any scripts exist for > this sort of thing? Simple aliases are stored one to a line in the format nicknameName, Fulladdress where denotes a control-I, it should not be hard to write a script to add such lines. What I am more interested in is maintaining distribution lists in a one-address-per-line format. I find I can do so if I edit the addressbook outside of Pine and construct each list like so: listnameName of List(nobody, address1, address2, address3, ) with exactly 3 spaces at the start of every line but the first. Then I must be very careful not to do anything to cause Pine to rewrite the addressbook itself, for instance by keeping my lists in a separate addressbook, and turning off sorting of addressbook entries (either that or make sure not to enter a new list which is out of alphabetical order). Of course if I am missing a simpler solution I would like to know... -- Brian R. Hunt bhunt@ipst.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 21:07:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11151; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:07:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09312; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:02:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09306; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:02:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMpUF-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: grendel@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 02:58:36 GMT Message-Id: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. Mark Crispin and the PINE team: here is _yet_another_ example of how PINE's misinterpretation of the Newsgroups: header in a _private_ email message has caused someone great harm and chagrin. How much longer can you continue to insist that this behavior should not be changed? In the meantime, I'd like to propose a new verb. pine, v. [1] To _accidentally_ post a response to a correspondent's _private_ email to Usenet, especially due to an exceptionally stupid behavior in a mail reader. [2] To have a response to your private email posted to Usenet, as per definition 1. The similarity of the effects of the actions this word describes, to being hit on the head with an actual pine cone, is intended. Usage: * "Oh, man! David just _pined_ me again!" * "Laura's not talking to me any more, after I _pined_ her mail about her fantasies back to alt.sex.spanking." * "AAAAAUGH! I _pined_ my message where I said what I really thought about my boss to our internal newsgroups! I'm going to go hunt down Mark Crispin and beat him with a rubber hose!" > So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? Alan Jaffray provided this patch a while back. I haven't had a chance to hack it into the PINE at netaxs.com, so I'm not 100% sure if it will work, but I trust Alan. Needless to say, I've started editing out the Newsgroups: header on anyone I email now... I'm starting an archive of patches to PINE to fix this problem. If you have any others, please mail them to me. I'll make them available via FTP and WWW. =====CUT HERE===== *** pine3.91/pine/reply.c Thu Oct 6 17:14:17 1994 --- pine3.91/pine/reply_sane.c Tue Mar 21 01:06:14 1995 *************** *** 208,220 **** } /* ! * If we haven't asked before, and we're replying to one ! * messsage (an agg reply in a non-news folder may not have ! * newsgroups in all the members or even different news groups) ! * or an agg reply in a news folder, and the envelope has a ! * newsgroup, ask if the user is posting a follow-up article. */ ! if(!ret && (totalm == 1L || IS_NEWS(pine_state->mail_stream)) && env->newsgroups && env->newsgroups[0] && (ret = want_to(NEWS_PMT, 'n', 'x', NO_HELP, 0, 0)) == 'y'){ /*========= Follow up to a news group ============*/ --- 208,218 ---- } /* ! * If we haven't asked before, and we're replying to a message ! * in a news folder, and the envelope has a newsgroup, ask if ! * the user is posting a follow-up article. */ ! if(!ret && IS_NEWS(pine_state->mail_stream) && env->newsgroups && env->newsgroups[0] && (ret = want_to(NEWS_PMT, 'n', 'x', NO_HELP, 0, 0)) == 'y'){ /*========= Follow up to a news group ============*/ =====CUT HERE===== -- Michael Handler Philadelphia, PA sweet and low From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 21:30:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11748; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:30:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10487; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:27:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10481; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:27:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMpqN-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Dummy needs a ".wastebasket" file Date: 4 Dec 1995 19:38:16 -0800 Message-Id: <4a0er8$kuq@shellx.best.com> References: <4a00rg$vge@news1.mpcs.com> hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) writes: >It's happened so many times, I'll delete a message and discover later I >need it back. Does anyone have a patch for 3.91 to install one? I also would love it if all my "deleted" messages were stored in a file named something like trash. Yes, I know that I could save them to "trash" but I'd like to just use the D key. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Nancy [posted and mailed] -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 23:09:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13778; Mon, 4 Dec 95 23:09:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11457; Mon, 4 Dec 95 23:03:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from UX1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11451; Mon, 4 Dec 95 23:03:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 02:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: Henry Robertson To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: help me stop the $#@!ing mail!!!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This brainless robot can't understand unsubscribe!!!! Please take robohen@cs.cmu.edu off the list!!!!!!!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 01:08:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15772; Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:08:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13575; Tue, 5 Dec 95 00:56:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bass.com.my by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13569; Tue, 5 Dec 95 00:55:54 -0800 Received: from bass.bass.com.my (gw.bass.com.my) by bass.com.my with SMTP id AA16543 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:56:44 +0800 Received: by bass.bass.com.my (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16484; Tue, 5 Dec 95 16:53:54 MYT Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:48:59 +0800 (MYT) From: Jesvinder Singh Subject: Enquiry on Other mail groups To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to enquire if anyone knows of other mail groups besides Majordomo. My e-mail address is jesvinder@bass.com.my Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 01:56:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16686; Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:56:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14272; Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:47:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bass.com.my by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14266; Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:47:18 -0800 Received: from bass.bass.com.my (gw.bass.com.my) by bass.com.my with SMTP id AA17143 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:48:13 +0800 Received: by bass.bass.com.my (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18819; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:45:18 MYT Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:44:46 +0800 (MYT) From: Jesvinder Singh Subject: Enquiry on Other mail groups (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:48:59 +0800 (MYT) From: Jesvinder Singh To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Enquiry on Other mail groups I would like to enquire if anyone knows of other mail groups besides Majordomo. My e-mail address is jesvinder@bass.com.my Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 02:26:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17088; Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:26:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13931; Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:02:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13925; Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:02:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMuB2-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 00:52:08 GMT Message-Id: <4a053o$9mh@news.orst.edu> References: In article , Terry Gray wrote: > >On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote: >> That behaviour is most certainly not ill-advised. (The newsreader in >> question was rn, by which all other newsreaders are judged and many >> are found lacking.) > >The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a >message should be posted to. You might want to step back a moment and note that the RFC which defines "newsgroups" as a header applies only to news, and not to mail. In mail, "newsgroups:" is undefined. >The concept of which newsgroups a message thread originated in is an >entirely different one, and using the same header for both is "at best, >ill-advised", rn apologists notwithstanding. Using the Newsgroups header for ANYTHING in mail is, "at best, ill-advised". Putting it in is no worse than, an probably not as bad as, assuming that it means something that it doesn't. >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. Since Pine >3.92 will include a work-around for the rn behavior, the issue is moot. I am glad to see the pine team accepting that it is a problem and doing something about it. I hope they will be quick to support and adopt the proposed RFC which does clear up this mess. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 03:24:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17928; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14861; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14849; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMvIc-00038EC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) Subject: Dummy needs a ".wastebasket" file Date: 4 Dec 1995 23:39:28 GMT Message-Id: <4a00rg$vge@news1.mpcs.com> It's happened so many times, I'll delete a message and discover later I need it back. Does anyone have a patch for 3.91 to install one? -- Howard Goldstein http://www.tapr.org/~n2wx/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 03:29:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18026; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:29:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15321; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15315; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMvIc-00038HC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: USENET via Pine 3.91... Date: 4 Dec 1995 23:42:41 GMT Message-Id: <4a011h$geg@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, jkm7670@hertz.njit.edu (Jim McConnell) says: >public access NNTP server. There ain't no such thing. Nearly all NNTP servers only permit access to hosts within their own domain. >nntp-server=gaia.ucs.orst.edu >news-collections=*[] Leave the second entry empty, so long as the first is defined. >news-collections=*{gaia.ucs.orst.edu/nntp}[] we get an error saying we >are not allowed to access this site. Do we have to be put on a list to >access this site The message you are seeing is what you will see if you telnet to port 119 (the NNTP port) on the server: 502 You are not in my access file. Goodbye. Yes, if you need to read from this site, you have to be added to the list. Unless you have some agreement with this site, do not expect it to happen. See if you can find a local service provider to give you news service from their news server. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 03:34:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18135; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:34:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14855; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14845; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:00 -0800 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA10121; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:12:50 -0500 Received: from mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [166.16.124.4]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA11037; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:12:39 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA24300; Tue, 5 Dec 95 06:11:20 EST Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:11:19 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: Yontaek Choi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Delete all In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Yontaek Choi wrote: > I am trying to delete all the messages (more than 1,000) in a folder at a > time. I typed 1) ";" for select, 2) "a" for all, 3) "a" for apply to selected messages <---- You left out this step. 4) and "d" for delete. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 04:32:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19509; Tue, 5 Dec 95 04:32:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15584; Tue, 5 Dec 95 04:03:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15575; Tue, 5 Dec 95 04:03:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMw2D-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:59:24 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Michael Handler: Before you post any further personal attacks on individuals, you would be well-advised to ensure that your attacks are directed at the right individual. I did not write the reply code in Pine. Most vendors do not read or respond to USENET postings in the newsgroup dedicated to their product. The staff members that once did so got tired of being the brunt of personal attacks. The attacks were often for no reason other than they took the time to respond and explain things, and thus became visible targets. If the readers of comp.mail.pine would rather have silence than risk getting an answer that they don't want to hear, I'll be happy to unsubscribe and no longer answer questions. But before I leave: that patch will disable follow-ups if you save a news message to a folder for later reference and then access that folder. Some people do that, particularly if they want to compose a follow-up offline. So be sure to tell them that you are breaking it before you install that patch. On 4 Dec 1995, Michael Handler wrote: > In article <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, > Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. > > Mark Crispin and the PINE team: here is _yet_another_ example of how > PINE's misinterpretation of the Newsgroups: header in a _private_ > email message has caused someone great harm and chagrin. How much > longer can you continue to insist that this behavior should not be > changed? > > In the meantime, I'd like to propose a new verb. > > pine, v. [1] To _accidentally_ post a response to a correspondent's > _private_ email to Usenet, especially due to an exceptionally stupid > behavior in a mail reader. [2] To have a response to your private > email posted to Usenet, as per definition 1. > > The similarity of the effects of the actions this word describes, to > being hit on the head with an actual pine cone, is intended. > > Usage: > * "Oh, man! David just _pined_ me again!" > * "Laura's not talking to me any more, after I _pined_ her mail about > her fantasies back to alt.sex.spanking." > * "AAAAAUGH! I _pined_ my message where I said what I really thought > about my boss to our internal newsgroups! I'm going to go hunt down > Mark Crispin and beat him with a rubber hose!" > > > So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? > > Alan Jaffray provided this patch a while back. I > haven't had a chance to hack it into the PINE at netaxs.com, so I'm > not 100% sure if it will work, but I trust Alan. > > Needless to say, I've started editing out the Newsgroups: header on > anyone I email now... > > I'm starting an archive of patches to PINE to fix this problem. If you > have any others, please mail them to me. I'll make them available via > FTP and WWW. > > =====CUT HERE===== > *** pine3.91/pine/reply.c Thu Oct 6 17:14:17 1994 > --- pine3.91/pine/reply_sane.c Tue Mar 21 01:06:14 1995 > *************** > *** 208,220 **** > } > > /* > ! * If we haven't asked before, and we're replying to one > ! * messsage (an agg reply in a non-news folder may not have > ! * newsgroups in all the members or even different news > groups) > ! * or an agg reply in a news folder, and the envelope has a > ! * newsgroup, ask if the user is posting a follow-up article. > */ > ! if(!ret && (totalm == 1L || IS_NEWS(pine_state->mail_stream)) > && env->newsgroups && env->newsgroups[0] > && (ret = want_to(NEWS_PMT, 'n', 'x', NO_HELP, 0, 0)) == 'y'){ > /*========= Follow up to a news group ============*/ > --- 208,218 ---- > } > > /* > ! * If we haven't asked before, and we're replying to a message > ! * in a news folder, and the envelope has a newsgroup, ask if > ! * the user is posting a follow-up article. > */ > ! if(!ret && IS_NEWS(pine_state->mail_stream) > && env->newsgroups && env->newsgroups[0] > && (ret = want_to(NEWS_PMT, 'n', 'x', NO_HELP, 0, 0)) == 'y'){ > /*========= Follow up to a news group ============*/ > =====CUT HERE===== > > -- > Michael Handler Philadelphia, PA > > > sweet and low > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 06:04:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20914; Tue, 5 Dec 95 06:04:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17632; Tue, 5 Dec 95 05:53:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17626; Tue, 5 Dec 95 05:53:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMxmf-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 05:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: be81867@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Abhishek Chandan) Subject: Re: USENET via Pine 3.91... Date: 4 Dec 1995 23:54:08 GMT Message-Id: <4a01n0$ebo@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> References: I am facing the same problem. Abhishek Jim McConnell (jkm7670@hertz.njit.edu) wrote: : Recently, I was asked to help setup someone's news through Pine 3.91. : Unfortunatley, he has no direct newsfeed, so he is trying to access a : public access NNTP server. This is what we have in .pinerc: : nntp-server=gaia.ucs.orst.edu : ... : news-collections=*[] : This gives a list of newsgroups, but they are unreadable. When : news-collections=*{gaia.ucs.orst.edu/nntp}[] we get an error saying we : are not allowed to access this site. Do we have to be put on a list to : access this site, or do we have the setup in pine incorrect? If the : setup is correct, and we don't need special permission to use the site as : a newsfeed, what is wrong? I seriously think that we need permission to : access the site as a feed, but my mail there has gone unanswered. Help! : Jim McConnell jkm7670@hertz.njit.edu : ============================================================================= : "The grass ain't greener, The wine ain't sweeter, Either side of the hill..." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 08:14:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24000; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:14:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19447; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:03:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19441; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:03:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMznb-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: phillip@prysm.com Subject: Re: Where can I get Pine? Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 03:26:31 CDT Message-Id: References: <1995Nov30.133827@cantva> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Where can I get a copy of Pine to run on an AlphaStation running OSF/1. > Is it free? Are there any ftp sites holding this? Thanks in advance > Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch > New Zealand The main ftp site for it which is where it came from is ftp.cac.washington.edu, then go to the the /mail directory. This is the University of Washington in Seattle, Washington i.e. in the state of Washington. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 08:48:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25434; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:48:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20488; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:23:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20478; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:23:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN05u-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Jagdis Subject: Re: Piping to Zmodem Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:43:37 GMT Message-Id: References: >I tried piping directly to the 'sz' command, >but it was not happy. Has anyone figured out a way to download a single >message directly from the viewer without having to go through an external >file first? The versions of sz I have don't handle piped data either. But you can do it with a little script: #!/bin/sh umask 066 trap "rm -f /tmp/$$junk" 0 cat > /tmp/$$junk sz /tmp/$$junk Call it send or zap or download or whatever. You might prefer to create a temporary directory and use a more meaningful filename in it since Zmodem will propogate the filename to your local machine. Mike -- Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Voice: +44 1734 890403 Fax: +44 1734 891192 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 09:07:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26706; Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:07:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20929; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:58:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20923; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:58:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN0fj-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 13:17:59 GMT Message-Id: <4a1gq7$i1q@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> In <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> grendel@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) writes: >pine, v. [1] To _accidentally_ post a response to a correspondent's >_private_ email to Usenet, especially due to an exceptionally stupid >behavior in a mail reader. [2] To have a response to your private >email posted to Usenet, as per definition 1. And I would like to add a new meaning to the word 'oPine'. oPine, v. To express an opinion in a commanding tone. E.g.: "please ignore Dhesi" he oPined. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 09:32:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27964; Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:32:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22143; Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:11:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rcummins.ppp.cyberenet.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22137; Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:11:51 -0800 Received: (from rcummins@localhost) by burlco-00.burlco.cyberenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA02609; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:11:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:11:45 -0500 (EST) From: Ray Cummins To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Compiling PC-Pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How does one compile PC-Pine? I see a makefile (makefile.msc) that comes with pine-3.91.tar.Z, which wants to use "nmake" - what package is nmake a part of? Would the same package be used to compile the Winsock version of Pine? I'm familiar with compiling programs under Unix, but not DOS, so if someone could give me a kick in the right direction, I'd be grateful. Thanks! /------------------------------------------------------------\ |Ray Cummins, Systems Specialist | Tel: (609) 267-9660 x3032 | |Burlington County Library | Fax: (609) 267-4091 | |5 Pioneer Blvd. | | |Westampton, NJ 08060 | rcummins@burlco.lib.nj.us | \------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 10:37:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01122; Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:37:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24284; Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:28:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24278; Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:28:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN22u-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Miikka Kokkonen Subject: Organization while posting articles to newsgroups Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:44:27 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a problem wtih organization name while posting articles to newsgroups Like you see there is said that my organization is Clinet, which is the news server which I am using, but is not the correct one (tit.fi) How to change this? I have tried setting ORGANIZATION variable to environment, but nothing changes If you can please reply by email Miikka Kokkonen, eemiko@tit.fi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 12:48:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07225; Tue, 5 Dec 95 12:48:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27125; Tue, 5 Dec 95 12:39:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27119; Tue, 5 Dec 95 12:39:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN48e-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 12:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scglowic@alpha.delta.edu (Scott Charles Glowicki) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 14:53:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4a27vu$piv@alpha.delta.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* : Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you : to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as : mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. : : So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? Why not try answering 'no' to the question...that way it will only be e-mailed directly to the person and not to the person and the newsgroup! scott -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Scott C. Glowicki scglowic@alpha.delta.edu = = CIS Major Delta College http://www.delta.edu/~scglowic = = University Center, Michigan "Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo Nurse!" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 15:24:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13611; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:24:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01672; Tue, 5 Dec 95 14:44:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01661; Tue, 5 Dec 95 14:44:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN63d-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 14:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: how do I make a signature file? Date: 5 Dec 1995 21:18:14 GMT Message-Id: <4a2cum$kir@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: Jason L. Read (s97i@unb.ca) wrote: : I've tried everything, but I just can't find a way to create my signature : file; any help would be appreciated. A signature file is just a flat text file that gets either appended or prepended to your out-going mail message. -- Start by going into pine, and enter SETUP (Config task). You will find an entry labeled "signature-file". Use the "?" command to get instruc- tions, and "E" to exit this help. Make your decisions, and take actions appropriate to those decisions. HELPFUL NOTE: You can use the "W" command and search for "sig" to quickly get to the options you need. -- Then go back to the shell prompt, and by using a text editor (vi, emacs, or whatever you have available), create what you want it to say. PLEASE, oh PLEASE, keep it short! 2 or 3 lines, MAYBE 4. Now you're ready to go. The next message you send out will have your signature file in it. Have fun / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 15:39:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14679; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:39:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01270; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:04:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01264; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:04:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN6N6-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Question List Date: 5 Dec 1995 18:43:40 GMT Message-Id: <4a23ss$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: Anhar Arshat (anhar@talabah.iiu.my) wrote: : Kindly sent me the faq list for my reference. If you have WWW access, you can find it at: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/faq/index.html You might also find the Pine Information Center: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/index.html / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 17:40:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19726; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:40:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06346; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:34:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06340; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:34:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN8iF-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 08:02:30 GMT Message-Id: <4a0uam$7qd@guava.epix.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : In a probably futile endeavor to foreshorten yet another protracted and : pointless flame-fest on this topic, here are a few facts: : o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a : Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, : which were *not* also posted via NNTP. : o In order to accommodate the behavior of these newsreaders (which we : feel is at *best* ill-advised), Pine 3.92 will ignore Newsgroups : headers when deciding whether to give you the CHOICE of posting, unless : there is also a PATH header. Yo! Terry ... geeezzz ... don't change an otherwise great program just because a few people don't know how to use it, or because some server sold them some other mailer or newsreader ... : o In the meantime, you can tell procmail to delete such newsgroup headers : in incoming email messages. Uuhhhmmm ... duhhhh ... hello, most don't know what a procmail is, but many of us do occasionally rtfm on pine's stuff and know how to use pine as an e-mail program, and so what he hell, it's not the best newsreader in the world but PLEASE (or should I have said *please*) don't mess around with the best e-mail program to 'try to accomodate' the behavior of other newsreaders. Only my 895 cents worth (plus tax). Remember pine is not elm, and pine is not tin, and pine is not gates, and pine is not netscape, and pine is not whatever, add your own ending, but what PINE is, is the best email program ever, and thanx to y'all at at washington.edu I hope you will not lose sight of that fact. G'Day. Flames are welcome, better yet send firewood, it's cold here. ;-) /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 17:40:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19776; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:40:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05412; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:34:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05406; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:34:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN8iF-00038EC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 07:49:21 GMT Message-Id: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> References: In gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a >message should be posted to. News vs email confusion. There is no RFC-defined way to specify to which newsgroups email should be posted. >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. The trouble is that there is not only disagreement about how things 'should' be, but about how they actually are. Example: Your comment about RFCs, which would lead readers into believing that there is some RFC that requires that email with a Newsgroups header should be posted to Usenet. It's ok to agree-to-disagree about things that are a matter of opinion, but it makes no sense to agree-to-disagree about simple matters of fact, such as 'there is no such RFC'. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 19:44:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22923; Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:44:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08828; Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:35:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08822; Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:35:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNAco-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: request for information Date: 5 Dec 1995 16:23:54 GMT Message-Id: <4a1rmq$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: RTFOLD (Read The Fine On Line Documentation) Use "?" to get help on any (non-help) portion of the product. Also pay attention to the 2 bottom lines of your window, where the currently available commands are shown. Please note that if not all of these command fit on those two lines, the "O" command will show you more. In addition, these commands are case insensitive. There is also a man page that your sysadmin may have installed for you, but that's a local issue. Information on the WWW If you have questions that can't be answered as suggested above, then try URL="http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/". On this web page there are several useful documents, including "Getting Started With Pine", FAQ, and a fine "Pine User's Guide". News group You will also find interesting tidbits in this news group (comp.mail.pine) -- without even posting to it! (You may have already discovered this.) Last resort! Please exhaust all of the above resources before contacting the fine folks at the University of Washington. Let's let them do their own work with as little interruption as possible from us. The less of their time we use, the sooner the next version gets released. Enjoy / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 20:27:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24240; Tue, 5 Dec 95 20:27:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08583; Tue, 5 Dec 95 20:14:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08577; Tue, 5 Dec 95 20:14:50 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23788; Tue, 5 Dec 95 20:14:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 20:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rahul, Thanks to both you and John S. for pointing out to me that the Newsgroups header is defined in the news RFCs, not the email RFCs... but since I've been involved in Arpanet/Internet messaging for over 20 years now, I think I knew that already. Now see if you can think of a model in which the *news* RFCs might be relevant to a tool that was about to send a message out *somewhere* and ALL it had available for deciding *where* and WHICH PROTOCOL(S) to use, were the headers in the message it was given. Over and out... -teg On 5 Dec 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > In gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: > > >The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a > >message should be posted to. > > News vs email confusion. > > There is no RFC-defined way to specify to which newsgroups email should > be posted. > > >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument > >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. > > The trouble is that there is not only disagreement about how things > 'should' be, but about how they actually are. Example: Your comment > about RFCs, which would lead readers into believing that there is some > RFC that requires that email with a Newsgroups header should be posted > to Usenet. > > It's ok to agree-to-disagree about things that are a matter of opinion, > but it makes no sense to agree-to-disagree about simple matters of > fact, such as 'there is no such RFC'. > -- > Rahul Dhesi > "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 21:44:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26106; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:44:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11168; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:35:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11162; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:35:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNCS3-00038HC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Re: import into pine ??? Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 03:40:45 +0100 Message-Id: <30C502AD.512A@upf.es> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use ^R to 'r'ead a file into the pine editor, is that what you want? -- Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Compuserve: 100555.603 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 21:44:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26133; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:44:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10184; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:35:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10178; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:35:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNCRr-00038EC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Re: import into pine ??? Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 03:40:21 +0100 Message-Id: <30C50295.C90@upf.es> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use ^R to 'r'ead a file into the pine editor, is that what you want? -- Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Compuserve: 100555.603 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 00:29:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29025; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:29:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13883; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:25:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13877; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:25:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNF7q-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gostin@blue.crayola.cse.psu.edu (Jeffrey S Gostin) Subject: Pine, Procmail, and INBOX Date: 5 Dec 1995 14:29:19 GMT Message-Id: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Hi! Just a quick question concerning integrating Procmail and Pine. If I have incoming mail procmail'd into three or four folders , would I tell pine that folder[1-4] were incoming folders? If not, how would I go about doing it so that pine could tell me which folders have new mail, and which ones don't? Thanks, in advance. :-) --Jeff -- ======== ======== "Information Superhighway" does for Internet == == what C.H.I.P.'s did for Cops. == == -= Destroy Ignorance -- Seek Higher Understanding ===== ======== Ask me for my PGP key. Privacy is your friend. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 00:31:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29082; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:31:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12455; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:15:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12449; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:15:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNEzq-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Jason L. Read" Subject: how do I make a signature file? Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:07:25 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've tried everything, but I just can't find a way to create my signature file; any help would be appreciated. TIA - Jason From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 00:55:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29602; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:55:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14246; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:48:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ra.isisnet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14240; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:48:42 -0800 Received: from ccn.cs.dal.ca by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id EAA15129; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:47:50 -0400 Received: by ccn.cs.dal.ca id <338>; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:50:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:39:07 -0400 From: "Marsha C. Holmes" To: Ray Marshall Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how do I make a signature file? In-Reply-To: <4a2cum$kir@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi I created my Signature file in Lynx, in my files area. That is just another option... Marsha Holmes =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* Marsha C. Holmes |\ __ /.| (`\ ac573@ccn.cs.dal.ca _ .| o o |_ ) ) ----------------------(((---(((------------- Homepage: http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~ac573/Profile.html =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Ray Marshall wrote: > Jason L. Read (s97i@unb.ca) wrote: > : I've tried everything, but I just can't find a way to create my signature > : file; any help would be appreciated. > > A signature file is just a flat text file that gets either appended or > prepended to your out-going mail message. > > -- Start by going into pine, and enter SETUP (Config task). You will find > an entry labeled "signature-file". Use the "?" command to get instruc- > tions, and "E" to exit this help. Make your decisions, and take > actions appropriate to those decisions. > > HELPFUL NOTE: You can use the "W" command and search for "sig" to > quickly get to the options you need. > > -- Then go back to the shell prompt, and by using a text editor (vi, > emacs, or whatever you have available), create what you want it to say. > > PLEASE, oh PLEASE, keep it short! 2 or 3 lines, MAYBE 4. > > Now you're ready to go. The next message you send out will have your > signature file in it. > > Have fun / Ray > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:12:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00272; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:12:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13125; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:02:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from solair1.inter.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13113; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:02:00 -0800 Received: from solair1.inter.NL.net by solair1.inter.NL.net (5.65b/solair1.Inter.NL.net-1.31) id AA27162; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:01:55 +0100 Received: by cans.nl (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41883; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:56:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:56:30 +0100 (NFT) From: Sander de Bruijn Reply-To: Sander.de.Bruijn@cans.nl To: "Jason L. Read" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how do I make a signature file? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Read-Receipt-To: Sander.de.Bruijn@cans.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Jason L. Read wrote: > I've tried everything, but I just can't find a way to create my signature > file; any help would be appreciated. > TIA - Jason > > Usually a signature file with UNIX is created by putting a .signature file in your home-directory. This .signature file is automatically read by Pine while composing a message. Be aware of the fact that pine defaults to putting the signature file at the top of your message. Use config to place on the bottom. Sander ==================================================================== Mail sent by: Computer Aided Network Systems B.V. Gebouw "Londen" Sander.de.Bruijn@CANS.NL Burg. 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It's as simple as that! * Serving the Network Community Since 1980 * ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:22:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00442; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:22:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13099; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:00:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13093; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:00:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNFi5-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@aurora.alaska.edu (Al Sparks) Subject: Re: cancelling a letter Date: 05 Dec 1995 04:41:27 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: DJ JOE's message of Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:27:10 -0800 >>>>> "DJ" == DJ JOE writes: DJ> Each time i'm using a Mac and compose a letter in PINE i can't DJ> get the control c (^C) command to work. So whenever I have to DJ> cancel a letter I always have a hard time doing so. If i DJ> repeatedly execute the command it ends up ruining my screen DJ> and logs me off. It sounds like you're using NCSA Telnet for the Mac. What is happening is that software is trapping ctrl-c's. To undo that, press APPLE-S and remover all the special control characters when the panel comes up. === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:40:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01084; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13517; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:25:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13511; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:25:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNG2j-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@aurora.alaska.edu (Al Sparks) Subject: Re: How do you authorise posting to a newsgroup using Pine Date: 05 Dec 1995 04:39:36 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: anil@raj3.tn.cornell.edu's message of 28 Nov 1995 12:02:35 -0800 >>>>> "A" == Anil Pannikkat writes: A> Hi A> I am the su on my local system. I recently set up Pine on my A> machine (A DEC -station running ULTRIX 4.0). And I also have a A> newsserver listed in the conf. file. A> I can read all the newsgroups fine, but I am unable to post to A> a newsgroup. When I try to post, I get a message saying A> Error.. 480 Authentication required... A> What do I need to change or check so that I can post? A> Any info would be welcome. A> Thanks It sounds like the news server isn't accepting your machine. Check and make sure you're in the nameserver. === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:45:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01158; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:45:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13434; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:20:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13428; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:19:53 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA17304; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:19:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:19:42 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Q: Meaningful subject for a bug report Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Organizace: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=DAstav_teorie_informace_a_automatizace_(=DATIA)_AV_=C8R?= Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Does anybody have any idea what the meanigful subject is? The text below does not seem to be clear enough (to me). Regards, V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:11:38 -0800 From: pine-faq@docserver.cac.washington.edu To: Vladimir Solnicky Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD Subject: Re: Bug (ID TV6GY):=20 ******************************************************************* * Please note that due to the large number of reports apparently * * resulting from phone line noise and other "accidental" reports, * * we are now pre-filtering messages that do not have a meaningful * * subject. We apologize if this causes us to miss your report. * ******************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:46:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01186; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:46:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15029; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15023; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGKb-00038IC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 07:41:59 GMT Message-Id: <4a0t47$pqb@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: > o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a > Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, > which were *not* also posted via NNTP. *Ugh* There they go, blaming everybody else again. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:49:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01263; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:49:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15021; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15015; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGJ2-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: Where can I get Pine? Date: 5 Dec 1995 18:52:33 GMT Message-Id: <4a24dh$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: <1995Nov30.133827@cantva> YES, IT IS FREE Via the WWW: A precompiled binary can be fetched from URL: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed/pine-bin.osf.Z But I recommend that you access Pine's web site, and browse from there: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/index.html / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:50:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01290; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:50:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13768; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13762; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGKa-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pierre.Frenkiel@cdf.in2p3.fr (Pierre Frenkiel) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 5 Dec 1995 15:23:17 GMT Message-Id: <4a1o55$fdr@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> for people interested, I wrote 2 small scripts, ed_alias (58 lines) and pine_to_elm(18 line) here is the ed_alias help: usage: ed_alias [ -? | -h ]\ The program edits your personnal pine alias file (in your .pine directory) which must already exist(if not, create it with pine) Old version is saved in addressbook.bak1 and addressbook.bak1 is saved in addressbook.bak2 Then, addressbook is translated into elm format, and result is written in your elm alias file (in your .elm directory). This step in only performed if you have already a file named aliases.text in this directory) You can then use either pine or elm withe same aliases. Old version is saved in aliases.text.bak Editing is done with the editor whose name is in variable EDITOR, or in variable VISUAL, if EDITOR is undefined. Default is vi. Reminder: the field separator for pine is the TAB character, instead of '=' for elm. This works correctly with pine only if you choose the option 'don't sort' in the pine configuration From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 02:19:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02083; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:19:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13935; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:55:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13929; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:55:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGYs-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 6 Dec 1995 07:12:36 GMT Message-Id: <4a3fp4$p9g@news.orst.edu> References: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> In article , Terry Gray wrote: >Now see if you can think of a model in which the *news* RFCs might be >relevant to a tool that was about to send a message out *somewhere* and >ALL it had available for deciding *where* and WHICH PROTOCOL(S) to use, >were the headers in the message it was given. It was not "given" a message. It was told to locate the message in the user's mailbox. It contains "Received-By:" headers. It doesn't contain a Path: header. Gosh, it can't be news, it's missing a mandatory header. It contains mandatory mail headers, and it came from a mailbox, so maybe ... it's MAIL? >Over and out... %SYS-F-PROWORD Illegal use of prowords - contradictory. Now imagine a model where the headers are defined which will identify the transprot a message arrived via, and whether replies should be sent via mail or news or both or neither. Have you joined mailnews-l yet? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 02:23:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02196; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:23:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15374; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:05:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15368; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:05:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGgP-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Piping to Zmodem Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:43:06 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sometimes when I read an email, either in my spool inbox or in one of the incoming mail folders set up by procmail, I would like to download it directly to my PC with Zmodem. So far, I have to export it first to an external file and then download that. I am using Pine 3.91 on SunOS 4.1.4 with Unix piping enabled. I tried piping directly to the 'sz' command, but it was not happy. Has anyone figured out a way to download a single message directly from the viewer without having to go through an external file first? Thanks. (P.S. My telecomm software is ProComm Plus v2/DOS.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 03:55:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05348; Wed, 6 Dec 95 03:55:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15690; Wed, 6 Dec 95 03:41:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15684; Wed, 6 Dec 95 03:41:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNI9S-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 03:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 13:53:38 GMT Message-Id: <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Mark: the reason people beat up on you about the behaviour of Pine is simply because you so aggressively defend it. If you don't want people to identify you with this brokenness, then stop promoting it. It's obvious by now that whether or not you wrote the code you would have written code with the same behaviour. Mark Crispin wrote: > But before I leave: that patch will disable follow-ups if you save a news > message to a folder for later reference and then access that folder. Good. Since PINE doesn't tag messages in folders with their origin, that is the correct behaviour. If you want PINE to be able to handle this case differently, then have it add an extra header for that purpose. X-Pine-Origin: news X-Pine-Origin: mail Courtesy copy emailed. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 04:44:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07072; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:44:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16827; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:31:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16821; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:31:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNIwC-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: majordomo@singnet.com.sg Subject: cancel: * Free Newsletter on Passion & Romance * Date: 5 Dec 1995 23:19:14 GMT Message-Id: Control: cancel <4a2k1i$f34@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Spam killing From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 04:48:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07292; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:48:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17812; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:21:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17806; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:21:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNIoW-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 6 Dec 95 01:53:38 GMT Message-Id: References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> <4a241d$t2h@krant.cs.ruu.nl> edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) writes: >In <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> vik@teleport.com (Vikram Lall) writes: > | I am writing a shell script to add entries to aliases > | in the .addressbook file [...] >To simplify the transition from Elm to Pine, I wrote a silly Perl script >'elm2pine' to convert the aliases file. If you want it I can mail it to >you; if I get many requests, I'll post it here (it's small) Please post. > best regards, > --[ Edwin ]-- >-- >Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. >Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] >-------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/edwin/ ----------------------- -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 06:07:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09154; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:07:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19139; Wed, 6 Dec 95 05:46:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19133; Wed, 6 Dec 95 05:46:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNKAT-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 05:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: Undeleting? Date: 5 Dec 1995 15:19:03 GMT Message-Id: <4a1nt7$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: <49l61l$41r@fu-berlin.de> Sven Guckes (guckes@math.fu-berlin.de) wrote: : However, if it is only "marked for deletion" in your folder : then you do get a chance to remove that mark. (Dunno the command.) The command is U for undelete. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 06:44:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09896; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:44:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18569; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:27:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18563; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:27:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNKnG-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Horst.Hanak" Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 HELP!!! Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:49:36 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Eric Ross, Colorado College wrote: > Joe: > > Bummer! I built the object we are running about a year ago, at 5.4R3 I > think. I just built it again now that we are at 5.4R3.10MU02, and just > as you say, attempting to reply produces: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal." > > Exiting Pine > > Eric Ross Colorado College > eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. > (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 > > On 30 Nov 1995, Joe Cygan wrote: > > > Eric Ross, Colorado College (eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu) wrote: > > : Joe: > > We are running 'PINE' with uname -s -r dgux 5.4R3.10 The programm was built: /usr/local/bin/pine -> ../pub/pine3.91/bin/pine --->> Aug 11 1994 3136028 Aug 11 17:20 /usr/local/pub/pine3.91/bin/pine what /usr/local/bin/pine /usr/local/bin/pine: AViiON DG/UX libcurses.a release 5.4R3.10__3.0-3.0 AViiON DG/UX libdgc.a release 5.4R3.10__5.3-5.0 AViiON DG/UX libc.so release 5.4R3.10__5.3-5.0 --->> We have not installed 5.4R3.10MU02 Horst Hanak __________________________________________________________________ Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe E-Mail: Horst.Hanak@infp.FZK.DE Institut:INFP Horst Hanak ------------------------- Postfach 3640 tel: +49 7247/82-3353 D 76021 Karlsruhe / Germany fax: +49 7247/82-4624 __________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 07:36:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11162; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:36:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20680; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:21:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20672; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:21:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNLbD-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Jason L. Read" Subject: using attachments in pine? Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:05:12 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How do I get a file that I made in wordperfect for windows and use it in an attachment in a message I am sending using pine? TIA Jason From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 08:18:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12160; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:18:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19994; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:56:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19988; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:56:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNMAf-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alexander.Dietrich@hamburg.netsurf.de (Alexander Dietrich) Subject: Set mailaddress name (like domainname) ? Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 18:14:07 GMT Message-Id: <4a1up2$2j5@trance.isys.net> Hello ! I have got (as you can see) quite a long mailaddress. My login name however is a shorter one. I would like to change the name PINE uses for my address to alexander.dietrich because now it takes my login name which is of course wrong. Can anyone help me ? Alexander -- | Alexander Dietrich | 22846 Norderstedt, Germany | | E-Mail: alexander.dietrich@hamburg.netsurf.de | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 08:31:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12768; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:31:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20212; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:05:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from acfsysv.roosevelt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20206; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:05:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:58:27 -600 (CST) From: Susan Farrar Subject: Newsgroup access To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Folks, I'm new to both Unix and Pine, having inherited a Unix SCO system when an employee abruptly left. I noticed from the discussion on this list that it appears to be possible to get USENET news access with Pine. Could someone point me to a FAQ on this or other docs? thanks in advance, susan _____________________________________ Susan Farrar, Manager Academic Computing Services Roosevelt University (312) 341-3890 Voice (313) 341-3858 Fax From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 09:00:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13937; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:00:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22666; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:50:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from UX1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22660; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:50:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:50:15 -0500 (EST) From: Henry Robertson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: I still can't get off this damn list! In-Reply-To: <4a1up2$2j5@trance.isys.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What does it take to make the administrator understand? majordomo is too stupid! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 09:12:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15062; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:12:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22940; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:00:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22910; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:59:37 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:06:55 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id QAA13984; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:08:39 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:08:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: "Jason L. Read" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: using attachments in pine? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you are using PC-Pine simply give the name (including any directory path) to the file in the attachment header field. If you are using Pine on a UNIX system you must first transfer a copy of your file from your PC's hard disk to the UNIX computer (remember to do this in binary mode). Then start Pine on UNIX and type in the name of the UNIX file now holding your document in the attachment header field. In the latter case I am assuming you are familiar with transferring files between your PC and the UNIX system. If you aren't you should contact the people who support your PCs and/or UNIX system. Come to think of it, if you have such people locally available why didn't you just ask your question of them rather than a collection of strangers scattered around the world who aren't familiar with your computer setup?:-} Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Jason L. Read wrote: > How do I get a file that I made in wordperfect for windows and use it in > an attachment in a message I am sending using pine? > TIA > Jason > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 09:47:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16800; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:47:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23860; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:27:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23854; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:27:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNNXN-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Gould Subject: Archiving of Fcc Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:49:40 GMT When pine archives a month's worth of the fcc folder, does it simply save all mail in which is older than the first of the current month, or does it specifically extract only the mail sent in the previous month? I ask as we've recently switched from elm to pine and appear to have lost a large amount of sent email. The sent folder now contains only December mail, the sent-nov-1995 contains only November mail and of mail sent before November, there is no sign. (Before you ask, I have told pine to use the ~/Mail directory rather than ~/mail :-) ) It is entirely possible that someone has accidentally deleted the stuff (the account in question is a shared one), but I'd like to eliminate pine from the possible explanations. Paul -- Paul Gould, Network Support Officer +44 151-794 5118 (Tel) CTI Biology, Donnan Laboratories +44 151-794 4401 (Fax) University of Liverpool, PO Box 147 P.W.Gould@liv.ac.uk Liverpool L69 3BX, UK (MIME/NeXTmail OK) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 10:04:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17807; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:04:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23571; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:55:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23565; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:55:34 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA19392; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:55:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:55:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" To: Susan Farrar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Newsgroup access In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Susan Farrar wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I'm new to both Unix and Pine, having inherited a Unix SCO system when an > employee abruptly left. I noticed from the discussion on this list that > it appears to be possible to get USENET news access with Pine. Could > someone point me to a FAQ on this or other docs? Noticed from your header that you are using PINE3.89 The latest version is 3.91 which allows news reading and writing. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 10:33:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19907; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:33:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24621; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:26:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24615; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:26:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNOXt-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tom Pester Subject: rfc1153 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:26:28 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've subscribed myself to a malinglist which delivers it's mail into the rfc1153-format. Does pine support this format or must a have an extra program. (I can read the messages but it isn't very practical). I thank you in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 11:24:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22963; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:24:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26002; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:08:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from x400gate.bnr.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25996; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:08:21 -0800 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:07:58 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:07:07 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:42:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:42:00 -0500 X400-Originator: /dd.id=118292/g=raymond/i=re/s=marshall/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.603:06.11.95.19.07.07] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: re:using atta... From: "raymond (r.e.) marshall" Message-Id: <"14659 Wed Dec 6 14:07:22 1995"@bnr.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re:using attachments in pine? Jason, In message "using attachments in pine?", you write: >How do I get a file that I made in wordperfect for windows and use it in >an attachment in a message I am sending using pine? I don't know about details specific to WordPerfect, but in general, when editing the message's header, just use the ^J command (see bottom of window) to get a prompt for a filename. Entering the filename will cause it to be attached to the message. You can also enter ^T at this prompt to get a list of ALL of the files in the current directory, from which you can easily select the one you want. Suggestion: to reduce your impact on the network, compress the file before sending it. This is not done in pine (at least, not that I know of). Be sure that the recipient can decompress it, before you send a compressed file. / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 11:32:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23445; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:32:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27837; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:21:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27831; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:21:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNPLe-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 5 Dec 1995 18:46:05 GMT Message-Id: <4a241d$t2h@krant.cs.ruu.nl> References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> In <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> vik@teleport.com (Vikram Lall) writes: | I am writing a shell script to add entries to aliases | in the .addressbook file [...] To simplify the transition from Elm to Pine, I wrote a silly Perl script 'elm2pine' to convert the aliases file. If you want it I can mail it to you; if I get many requests, I'll post it here (it's small) best regards, --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] -------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/edwin/ ----------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 12:02:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25273; Wed, 6 Dec 95 12:02:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27275; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:51:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from x400gate.bnr.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27269; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:51:16 -0800 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:50:01 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:49:25 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:23:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:23:00 -0500 X400-Originator: /dd.id=118292/g=raymond/i=re/s=marshall/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.684:06.11.95.19.49.25] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: re:Newsgroup ... From: "raymond (r.e.) marshall" Message-Id: <"23736 Wed Dec 6 14:49:43 1995"@bnr.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re:Newsgroup access Susan, In message "Newsgroup access", Susan writes: <<<< CHOMP >>>> > Could someone point me to a FAQ on this or other docs? To start with, their on-line documents will found at URL: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/index.html But, for most configuration work, I've never found it necessary to go there. I recommend using the built-in help. Try going to Setup from the main menu, choosing the Config sub menu item. Then go down to news-collections and press "?" for assistance. Please note that I have never been able to get pine to successfully use an IP address to specify a news server. It can be entered, but then from the FOLDER LIST, it says "No such host...". You must use either a hostname that your machine knows about, or a fully qualified hostname. / Ray ------------------------------------+--------------------------------- Raymond E. Marshall | My opinions are not necessarily NorTel, Customer Service | endorsed by my employer, etc. RTP NC, USA 919-992-4731 Alternate access: raym@vnet.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 12:11:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25883; Wed, 6 Dec 95 12:11:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27435; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:57:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27428; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:57:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNPsk-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 6 Dec 1995 15:40:12 GMT Message-Id: <4a4dgs$sbp@krant.cs.ruu.nl> References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> <4a241d$t2h@krant.cs.ruu.nl> In ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: | Please post. Ok. See below. No guarantees; it works for my users, it my work for you. #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (shar 3.32) # made 10/07/1994 22:12 UTC by edwin@cs.ruu.nl # # existing files WILL be overwritten # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 3564 -rwxr-xr-x elm2pine # if touch 2>&1 | fgrep 'amc' > /dev/null then TOUCH=touch else TOUCH=true fi # ============= elm2pine ============== echo "x - extracting elm2pine (Text)" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > elm2pine && X#!/net/bin/perl X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# elm2pine - convert Elm-2.4 aliases file to Pine 3.90 format X# (writes result to standard-output) X# X# 1.0 EHK 02-Sep-94 from scratch X# 1.1 EHK 03-Sep-94 fix continuation-line parsing bug, resulting in X# duplicate partial distribution-lists. Actually, I X# got the documentation wrong at first glance, so this X# is more of a major rewrite than just a bug fix... X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X$P = 'elm2pine' ; X X$home = $ENV{'HOME'} || die "Can't find your HOME directory: $!" ; X$elm = "$home/.elm/aliases.text" ; X Xopen(ELM, "< $elm") || die "You don't have Elm aliases in your ~/.elm directory: $!" ; X X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# Pass 1 : read the entire alias file in core; do some minimal processing X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xprint STDERR "$P: Pass 1 -- reading aliases '$elm'...\n" ; Xwhile ( ) { X chop ; X next if ( /^$/ || /^#/ ) ; # skip comment and blank lines X X # delete blanks around the Elm aliases field-seperator '=' X # and around the Elm-specials ',' and ';' X s/\s*([=,;])\s*/\1/g ; X X # if we have leading blanks, this must be a continuation line X if ( /^[\t\s]/ ) { X # which we can only have if we've seen a nickname already X if ( ! defined($nickname) ) { X print STDERR "$P: ERROR: continuation line without prefix ignored: '$_' \n" ; X next ; X } X X s/^\s+// ; # get rid of the leading blanks X $alias{$nickname} .= "$_" ; X $clines++ ; X } X else { X if ( $clines ) { X print STDERR "$P: [OK] $clines continuation-line(s) joined.\n" ; X $clines = 0 ; X } X undef($nickname); X ($nickname, $fullname, $address) = split(/=/) ; X $fullname = "*none-given*" if ( $fullname eq '' ) ; X X # Elm has multiple-nicknames, so we have to duplicated X # them for Pine to maintain the same information X @nnames = split(/,/, $nickname) ; X if ( $#nnames > 0 ) { X $multi_aliases = $#nnames + 1 ; X print STDERR "$P: [OK] $multi_aliases multiple-aliases duplicated.\n" ; X } X foreach $nname ( @nnames ) { X $alias{$nname} = "$fullname#$address" ; X } X } X} Xclose(ELM) ; X X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# Pass 2 : convert to Pine format. Add default Fcc-field, optional comment X# and apply Pine semantics to Elm-special chars ';' and ',' X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xprint STDERR "$P: Pass 2 -- converting Elm aliases to Pine format...\n" ; X$aliasc = 0 ; Xforeach $nickname (sort keys(%alias)) { X $_ = $alias{$nickname} ; X $aliasc++ ; X X ( $fullname, $addrlist ) = split(/\#/) ; X X # anything after a ',' in the fullname is optional comment X if ( $fullname =~ /,/ ) { X $fullname =~ s/(.*),(.*)/\1/ ; X $comment = "$2" ; X } X else { X $comment = '' ; X } X X # a ';' in the fullname for Elm, must be a ',' for Pine X $fullname =~ s/;/, / ; X X # distribution-list aliases need brackets X $addrlist = "(" . "$addrlist" . ")" if ( $addrlist =~ /,/ ) ; X X # output as Pine aliases now: X # TABTAB
TABTAB X # [Aaaaaaaaaarrrrggggggggggggghhhhhh.... why the !&^@#$^$% `TAB' :--( X X $, = "\t" ; X print $nickname, $fullname, $addrlist ; X X # if we have a comment-field, we will put in a Fcc-field as well X print "\t$nickname\t$comment" if ($comment ne '') ; X print "\n" ; X} X Xprint STDERR "$P: [OK] successfully converted $aliasc aliases.\n" ; X Xexit 0 ; X X__END__ SHAR_EOF $TOUCH -am 0903221994 elm2pine && chmod 0755 elm2pine || echo "restore of elm2pine failed" set `wc -c elm2pine`;Wc_c=$1 if test "$Wc_c" != "3564"; then echo original size 3564, current size $Wc_c fi exit 0 --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] -------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/edwin/ ----------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 14:18:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03054; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:18:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03565; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:07:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03557; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:07:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNRv5-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: Delete all Date: 5 Dec 1995 21:01:07 GMT Message-Id: <4a2buj$kir@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: When I have a task like this (deleting all of MANY messages in a given folder), I just go to the shell prompt and rm the folder. I then touch the folder to get a new EMPTY file. (Be sure to check the protection settings (ls -l), and set the new file as necessary (chmod). / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 14:37:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04002; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:37:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02406; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:21:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02400; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:21:16 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08726; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:21:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vladimir_Solnicky_=28ISO-88?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?59-2=29_Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Q: Meaningful subject for a bug report In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I think I can best answer this with an example. Here's an actual extract from the reports received today (with senders' names removed). Of these, we will probably read messages 91, 93, and 97. We would prefer subjects that are a little more descriptive than these, but... 82 N Dec 6 (6,421) Bug (ID Y777J): S2j,Kw+w 83 N Dec 6 (6,591) Bug (ID EV99Q): 84 N Dec 6 (5,966) Bug (ID 7J7P6): 85 N Dec 6 (6,479) Bug (ID XI7QJ): 86 N Dec 6 (6,239) Bug (ID 1E9Q8): 87 N Dec 6 (6,238) Bug (ID 0Z7XI): 88 N Dec 6 (5,857) Bug (ID IW7IC): 89 N Dec 6 (5,972) Bug (ID Y777J): 90 N Dec 6 (5,774) Bug (ID Y777J): ^C 91 N Dec 6 (6,916) Bug (ID XI7QJ): deleting my inbox notebooks and add= ress 92 N Dec 6 (6,671) Bug (ID 58440): 93 N Dec 6 (6,821) "Received abort signal" Bug (ID 58440) 94 N Dec 6 (7,011) Bug (ID Y777J): 95 N Dec 6 (7,046) Bug (ID AX8F3): 96 N Dec 6 (29,047) Bug (ID 1I5QJ): 97 N Dec 6 (5,879) Bug (ID 6T2VI): My In-Box |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Vladimir Solnicky (ISO-8859-2) Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD wr= ote: > Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:19:42 +0100 (MET) > From: "Vladimir Solnicky (ISO-8859-2) Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD" > To: The Pine Discussion List > Subject: Q: Meaningful subject for a bug report > Message-ID: > X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Lib= en; Czech Republic > Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) > Organizace: (ISO-8859-2) =DAstav teorie informace a automatizace (=DATIA)= AV =C8R > Transport-Options: /delivery /return > Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > Does anybody have any idea what the meanigful subject is? The text below > does not seem to be clear enough (to me). > > Regards, V. S. > > | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) > | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR > \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 > Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben > +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic > +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz > http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home.html > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:11:38 -0800 > From: pine-faq@docserver.cac.washington.edu > To: Vladimir Solnicky Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD > Subject: Re: Bug (ID TV6GY): > > ******************************************************************* > * Please note that due to the large number of reports apparently * > * resulting from phone line noise and other "accidental" reports, * > * we are now pre-filtering messages that do not have a meaningful * > * subject. We apologize if this causes us to miss your report. * > ******************************************************************* > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 14:38:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04080; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:38:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02538; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:25:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02532; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:25:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08859; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:25:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:25:00 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Paul Gould Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Archiving of Fcc In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine doesn't even check any of the messages. It simply renames the current sent-mail folder and creates a new empty one... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Paul Gould wrote: > Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > From: Paul Gould > Subject: Archiving of Fcc > Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:49:40 GMT > > When pine archives a month's worth of the fcc folder, does it simply save all > mail in which is older than the first of the current month, or does it > specifically extract only the mail sent in the previous month? I ask as we've > recently switched from elm to pine and appear to have lost a large amount of > sent email. The sent folder now contains only December mail, the > sent-nov-1995 contains only November mail and of mail sent before November, > there is no sign. (Before you ask, I have told pine to use the ~/Mail > directory rather than ~/mail :-) ) It is entirely possible that someone has > accidentally deleted the stuff (the account in question is a shared one), but > I'd like to eliminate pine from the possible explanations. > > Paul > -- > Paul Gould, Network Support Officer +44 151-794 5118 (Tel) > CTI Biology, Donnan Laboratories +44 151-794 4401 (Fax) > University of Liverpool, PO Box 147 P.W.Gould@liv.ac.uk > Liverpool L69 3BX, UK (MIME/NeXTmail OK) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 14:45:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04487; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:45:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02894; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:38:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Macon3.Mercer.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02888; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:38:03 -0800 Received: from nms.Mercer.PeachNet.EDU (nms.Mercer.PeachNet.EDU) by Mercer.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #11207) id <01HYHUI369K090OMFH@Mercer.EDU> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NMS.MERCER.PEACHNET.EDU by NMS.MERCER.PEACHNET.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #13284) id <01HYHUHXP2SM00009Z@NMS.MERCER.PEACHNET.EDU> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:37:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mickey Belote Subject: E-mail package with Kanji support To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone on the list know of a pc or Mac mail package which provides support for the Kanji alphabet? I believe Groupwise has that capability but would rather not use it. We have a 1 year appointment faculty member from Japan who is involved in a brain research project for our Medical School. He is interested in communicating with his colleagues back home, but would like to do so in his native language. Thanks in advance! Mickey ******************************************************************************** Michael R. Belote Phone: 912.752.2850 Mercer University Fax: 912.752.2313 Director, Technology Support Services Belote_MR@Mercer.EDU From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 16:24:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10707; Wed, 6 Dec 95 16:24:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07984; Wed, 6 Dec 95 16:16:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tempest.ece.uiuc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07976; Wed, 6 Dec 95 16:16:45 -0800 Received: (from bzimmer@localhost) by tempest.ece.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA04232; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:16:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:16:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian T. Zimmer" X-Sender: bzimmer@tempest.ece.uiuc.edu To: pine Subject: Forwarding messages and .signatures Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? Brian ----- Brian Zimmer bzimmer@uiuc.edu http://www.ziclix.com/~bzimmer "Adventure is where others aren't" - Rheinhold Messner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 17:17:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13876; Wed, 6 Dec 95 17:17:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08259; Wed, 6 Dec 95 17:12:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08252; Wed, 6 Dec 95 17:12:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNUrg-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 17:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Robert Hall Ballard Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:39:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 19:18:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17755; Wed, 6 Dec 95 19:18:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12329; Wed, 6 Dec 95 19:12:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12322; Wed, 6 Dec 95 19:12:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNWio-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 19:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Greg Lutz Subject: Re: [Q] Can I use pine with a Pop account? Date: 5 Dec 1995 19:42:57 GMT Message-Id: <4a27c1$llf@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lgentes@netcom.com (Lockley Gentes) wrote: >How can I access a pop mail account with unix pine?? >Also, how can I specify a different login and/or password?? I'm very interested in this issue myself. I use Linux, not true Unix, and have a few answers. pine can *upload* mail to a POP account with no problem: you just need to enter your SMTP server name in the pine configuration. As far as I know, pine can't fetch mail directly from a POP account, but there is a simple program called "popclient" which you can execute with the name of a POPD server as argument, and it will download all messages from the server into your Unix in-box. This program may be invocable directly from pine, but I don't know how. Source for the program is available at an ftp address I don't have right handy... As to using a POP login different from your Unix user ID -- I'd love to be able to do that myself. For the moment, I've created an extra Unix account under the name used with my POP account, but it's a real nuissance. Realize, however, that pine would have to use the POP-account login as the return address in messages it composed for you; in general, the whole outside world will know you by that name, only your Unix system will know you by your user ID. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 20:52:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20231; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:52:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12153; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:38:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12147; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:38:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNY3z-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Timothy J. Luoma" Subject: Re: Does anyone know a good unix calendar/reminder program? Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:54:23 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I've heard, but haven't used, of a program called 'remind' (surprisingly enough) which is supposed to be very good. -- Timothy J. Luoma luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu (MIME fine! NeXTMail if necessary) mail sent to: 476tjl@ptsmail.ptsem.edu is forwarded to above address. "If I understood the man page, I wouldn't have asked the question." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 20:52:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20271; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:52:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13802; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:38:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13796; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:38:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNY5O-00038IC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Timothy J. Luoma" Subject: shift+tab in pine 3.91 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:57:09 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII it seems that shift+tab will bring me to the top of my message being composed... is this really a feature or a freak occurence? Any way to jump all to the bottom (better than page at a time)? thanks TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu (MIME fine! NeXTMail if necessary) mail sent to: 476tjl@ptsmail.ptsem.edu is forwarded to above address. "If I understood the man page, I wouldn't have asked the question." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:26:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21067; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:26:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12836; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:08:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12830; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:08:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNYUK-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: draisma@cs.few.eur.nl (Gerrit Draisma) Subject: setup/folder collections Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:49:52 GMT Hello, As a new user I have a question about adding folder collections using setup. The problem is that adding a local folder-collection makes it automatically the default for saves. I would like to keep the remote collection the default for saves, but allowing users to setup a local collection for storing old mail. Is there a way to do that? Thanks! Gerrit Draisma Erasmus University Rotterdam Faculty of Economics draisma@facb.few.eur.nl From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:48:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21592; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:48:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15078; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15072; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNZ27-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mose@ns.ccsn.edu (Russell Mosemann) Subject: Compiling pine with gcc on Solaris 2.4? Date: 6 Dec 1995 22:08:52 -0600 Message-Id: <4a5pck$108@ns.ccsn.edu> I have not had any luck compiling pine under Solaris 2.4. The binaries work fine, but I always have to add a fix that has been on the pine wish list for the last 3 or 4 years and never implemented. I've compiled with the unbundled C compiler on a SPARC II and with gcc 2.7.2 on a SPARC 4. Both times I did the "build sol". It would go for a ways and then barf on declarations. I looked at the makefile.sol and uncommented lines for gcc, but none of my modifications seemed to make much difference. Both systems do _not_ have the BSD compatibility package installed. I think it's a little odd that pine does not compile out of the box. Has anyone figured out how to compile pine using gcc on Solaris? Russell Mosemann Concordia College Voice: (402) 643-7445 Computing Center Seward, NE 68434 Fax: (402) 643-4073 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:49:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21629; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:49:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15086; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15080; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNZ2S-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adhutchi@indiana.edu (Allen Dale Hutchison) Subject: Any Ideas Date: 6 Dec 1995 01:50:50 GMT Message-Id: <4a2stq$4jp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Howdy all, I use Pine on a UNIX system at Indiana University. Everything is great except I am running low on my allotted disk space on the server. Can anyone think of a way I can FTP my mail to my PC every once in a while, and still be able to read it if I have to. I want to keep the mail in Pine format, so, are there any viewers. Any and all help would be greatly appricieated. Thanks, Allen -- Allen Dale Hutchison (812) 857-9005 mailto:adhutchi@indiana.edu http://silver.ucs.indiana.edu/~adhutchi "Even in the Age of Mortals, mankind is not alone." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:51:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21672; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:51:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13447; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13441; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNZ2T-00038IC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 6 Dec 95 01:52:29 GMT Message-Id: References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> <4a1o55$fdr@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> Pierre.Frenkiel@cdf.in2p3.fr (Pierre Frenkiel) writes: >for people interested, I wrote 2 small scripts, ed_alias (58 lines) >and pine_to_elm(18 line) >here is the ed_alias help: >usage: ed_alias [ -? | -h ]\ > The program edits your personnal pine alias file (in your .pine directory) > which must already exist(if not, create it with pine) > Old version is saved in addressbook.bak1 and addressbook.bak1 is saved in > addressbook.bak2 > Then, addressbook is translated into elm format, and result is written > in your elm alias file (in your .elm directory). > This step in only performed if you have already a file named aliases.text > in this directory) You can then use either pine or elm withe same > aliases. > Old version is saved in aliases.text.bak > Editing is done with the editor whose name is in variable EDITOR, > or in variable VISUAL, if EDITOR is undefined. > Default is vi. > Reminder: the field separator for pine is the TAB character, instead > of '=' for elm. > This works correctly with pine only if you choose the option > 'don't sort' in the pine configuration Please post or give an ftp site or URL. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:51:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21710; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:51:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13437; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13430; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNZ2S-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Pine, Procmail, and INBOX Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 20:50:37 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> On 5 Dec 1995, Jeffrey S Gostin wrote: > Hi! Just a quick question concerning integrating Procmail and Pine. If I have > incoming mail procmail'd into three or four folders folder4>, would I tell pine that folder[1-4] were incoming folders? If not, > how would I go about doing it so that pine could tell me which folders have > new mail, and which ones don't? I had what apparently amounts to the same situation. Accessing the folders, of course, is no problem, as they show up in my local folder collection. I named them IN.this-or-that so that they would appear high up in the list of folders. However, Pine does not know about what is in them and does not tell me how many files are in them until I actually open them. I was able to obtain a Perl script which I could modify to count the actual messages in each folder (I commented out the display of names and subjects) and wrote a front-end shell script to invoke the Perl script for my inbox and all the incoming mail folders and display a summary count for each named folder. I can invoke it manually at any time from the shell prompt, and I have it in my login so that I get the summary whenever I log into my account. I can mail the two scripts to whoever has Perl on their system. (This is for Unix Pine users only, obviously. I use C shell, but it should be easily adaptable to any other shell.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 23:00:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23154; Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:00:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16126; Wed, 6 Dec 95 22:48:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16120; Wed, 6 Dec 95 22:48:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNa6S-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 22:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Posting to newsgroups Date: 7 Dec 1995 05:21:41 GMT Message-Id: <4a5tl5$av0@guava.epix.net> References: Adam H. Kerman (ahk@chinet.pd.mcs.net) wrote: : When I use pine to reply to a newsgroup posting, am I _only_ sending my : message to the newsgroup, or am I also sending a duplicate to the e-mail : box of the person who wrote the original? OK here we go again ... : To disagree with many of the postings on the "privacy" issue, it would : seem to be improper to clutter up the e-mail slot of someone I don't know : and don't do business with with my newsgroup responses. Just answer the question (y)es or (n)o if you want to post and if you want to (r)eply make a reply and if you want to (f)orward do that and if you want to do something else RTFM, and if you think it's improper to clutter up the e-mail slot of someone you don't know, then don't send them a copy. Am I missing something here or am I the only one who has read the instructions?? Only a thought ... G'Day. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 23:24:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23477; Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16480; Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:12:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16474; Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:12:26 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa14198; 7 Dec 95 2:12 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA15922; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:12:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:12:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Dec 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > News vs email confusion. > > There is no RFC-defined way to specify to which newsgroups email should > be posted. > Well - there are two RFCs that define *message* formats for "Internet Messages" (822) and "Usenet Messages" (1036), and a couple of other ones that define various mail and news *transport* protocols. It states quite clearly that rfc1036 tries to be compatible with rfc822. I'm quite sure that if the authors of 822 had known about 1036, they would have mandated a reciprocal compatibiility - however, *somebody* had to come first. > > The trouble is that there is not only disagreement about how things > 'should' be, but about how they actually are. Example: Your comment > about RFCs, which would lead readers into believing that there is some > RFC that requires that email with a Newsgroups header should be posted > to Usenet. > No - you're correct that there is no requirement that at message with a Newsgroups: header must be posted. However, the RFC does define that IF a message with such a header does ever manage to find it's way into the usenet news environment, then the Newsgroups: header states which newsgroups it should, in fact, be posted to. ( I'm useing the vague term "usenet news environment" - however, actually no such environment is defined in 1036. The News Transport Protocol (NNTP) is defined in a separate document (977). 1036 does have a brief discussion of using email as a news transport, but they suggest, that to avoid confusion, the news headers and message be encapsulated. ) Ok - I know Rahul knows all these numbers. However, he seems to remember them quite selectively, and it's convenient for his argument to forget that the layering of protocols and the separation of concerns is one of the basic design principles of the internet. Message Format and Transport Mechanism are two totally separate concerns. Saying you have to know the context of one to interpret the other makes about as much sense as saying that you can't read this message correctly unless you know whether it happened to travel by Ethernet, T-3, ATM or PPP to reach you. Rahul woule like zip codes to mean one thing to the U.S. Postal Service, and another thing to UPS, and then, if someone found his letter lying on the ground and posted it for him, he would complain because they didn't correctly guess which transport he had intended. The only way to construct a rational world is for addresses to always mean the same thing at all times. ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- [ "The grass is always greener, except at t=0" - Stan Kelly-Bootle ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 01:02:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25448; Thu, 7 Dec 95 01:02:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16348; Thu, 7 Dec 95 00:53:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16342; Thu, 7 Dec 95 00:53:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNc22-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere Date: 7 Dec 1995 07:29:26 GMT Message-Id: <4a654m$kdv@guava.epix.net> References: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> Marsha C. Holmes (ac573@ccn.cs.dal.ca) wrote: : This might be a "stupid" answer but, why not send it to yourself! It : will, of course, go somewhere - directly to your own mailbox to do with : as you please. : Hope this isn't a "saucy" answer but one that might be of use to you! : Marsha No Marsha, that's too simple an answer for all the foobars on here ... does work though ... hey, what the hell, sometimes saucy is better than scripts ... BYE ... /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 06:55:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02558; Thu, 7 Dec 95 06:55:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22676; Thu, 7 Dec 95 06:29:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22670; Thu, 7 Dec 95 06:29:43 -0800 Received: from holmes.acc.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa05574; 7 Dec 95 9:29 EST Received: (from dma9w@localhost) by holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.6) id JAA111149; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:29:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: 2 signature files ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does pine accomondate 2 signatures (perhaps a local and a global signature). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dawn Adelsberger-Mangan dawn@holmes.acc.virginia.edu Unix Support Staff - ITC 131 Forestry Univerity of Virginia 804.982.4711 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 10:14:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10939; Thu, 7 Dec 95 10:14:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26417; Thu, 7 Dec 95 09:59:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26411; Thu, 7 Dec 95 09:59:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNkYR-00038EC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 09:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jason Saling Subject: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:51:09 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, Hey, Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become annoying. Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you select a message?????? Thanks, Jason +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jason Saling jsaling@gulfaero.com Gulfstream Aerospace Corp (Phone) 912-965-5124 500 Gulfstream Road (MS A05) (Fax) 912-965-3820 Savannah, GA 31408 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 11:14:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14242; Thu, 7 Dec 95 11:14:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28900; Thu, 7 Dec 95 11:09:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28894; Thu, 7 Dec 95 11:09:28 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA06702; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:09:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Jason Saling wrote: > Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many > MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive > their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must > press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. > This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become > annoying. > > Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you > select a message?????? I know where you are coming from! Sometimes I get mail that is OBVIOUSLY text, but is broken up by MIME headers (stating that they are text!). This means various extra keystrokes. Can we let pine simply DISPLAY those fragments that are text automatically, rather than go through the song and dance? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 12:39:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18495; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:39:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01482; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:24:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vm1.NoDak.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01475; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:24:38 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by VM1.NoDak.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 07 Dec 95 14:24:11 CST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18200; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:24:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:24:29 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And another thing: PrYnting such messages is less than optimal (one line per paragraph). -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Jason Saling wrote: > > > Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many > > MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive > > their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must > > press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. > > This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become > > annoying. > > > > Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you > > select a message?????? > > I know where you are coming from! Sometimes I get mail that is OBVIOUSLY > text, but is broken up by MIME headers (stating that they are text!). > This means various extra keystrokes. Can we let pine simply DISPLAY > those fragments that are text automatically, rather than go through the > song and dance? > > B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | > |System Administrator, | > |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | > |Vancouver, BC | > |+604-253-4188 | > | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | > | | > ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 13:01:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19858; Thu, 7 Dec 95 13:01:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03860; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:50:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03845; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:49:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNnEz-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flavell@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk (Alan J. Flavell) Subject: Re: UUEncode Message-Id: References: , Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:47:58 GMT In article , Paul O Bartlett writes: > > MIME is not really a standard as such' it's just what Pine uses. Oh no, it's no more a standard than any of the other IAB standards-track Internet RFCs. They are all just some misguided idea of how we can talk to each other on the Internet without actually using standards. :-} Now, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us as to what your stringent criteria are for determining when a standard isn't a "standard as such". Perhaps you'd do us the courtesy of reading what is meant by an "IAB standards track protocol" first, though, and checking for the presence of that phrase in, say, RFC1521 and 1522. --- Alan "Just be careful where you're sticking that user support" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 13:56:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22947; Thu, 7 Dec 95 13:56:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04220; Thu, 7 Dec 95 13:44:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nexus.chapman.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04208; Thu, 7 Dec 95 13:44:39 -0800 Received: by nexus.chapman.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03543; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:38:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Guinevere To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: ellenk@interplay.com Subject: I can't change my password!!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have written to all of you before concerning my folder and how it was not accessible. Now I have a little difficulty changing my password. Is there any information you can give me so that I can have access to changing my password. I don't know what to do. Help Please!!! After trying to change my password, the system told me that my new password was not set. So every time I login I use my old password. Ruxandra Nelson, Chapman University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 17:58:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03514; Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:58:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11074; Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:54:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cthia.sojourn.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11068; Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:54:06 -0800 From: gburnore@databasix.com Received: from calzone.oit.unc.edu by cthia.sojourn.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0t6TT2-000CakC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 22:15 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 22:15 EDT Received: by calzone.oit.unc.edu (ESMTP) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 Message-Id: Received: by sunsite.unc.edu (ESMTP) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 Smtp-Posting-Host: admin.unc.edu To: Subject: subscribe Organization: Home Office in Michigan subscribe pine-info@cac.washington.edu gburnore@databasix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 18:06:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03847; Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:06:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11208; Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:00:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11202; Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:00:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNs26-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcygan@gateway.wiltel.com (Joe Cygan) Subject: Re: Pine and Data General Aviion Date: 6 Dec 1995 15:14:47 GMT Message-Id: <4a4c17$sbh@gateway.wcom.com> References: <199511301655.KAA27107@sound.net> <49lc1d$d8h@orca.osg.gov.bc.ca> : >I will try to find time to figure out what change I made that allowed the : >smooth functionality. : You do, and I'll buy you a beer! :) I'll make it two!!! |:-) I'm on the exact same DG/UX release, and have the same problem with the "reply" crash when it asks if I want to copy the body of the previous message. If someone could even point me in the right direction to look at the source when this function of reply occurs, I could take a feable look at the code. Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 19:03:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05700; Thu, 7 Dec 95 19:03:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14019; Thu, 7 Dec 95 19:00:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14013; Thu, 7 Dec 95 19:00:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNsyL-00038EC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric Tse Subject: Re: Forwarding messages and .signatures Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:12:01 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the > message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the > bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? It's a feature. When you forward an e-mail, Pine assumes that you type your own words _before_ the forwarded message. So any recipients can first read your own words, then read on to the forwarded message. Eric From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 20:42:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08484; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:42:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13966; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13954; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNuVm-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: b182@rz100.sari.fh-wuerzburg.de (Enrique Melero Gomez) Subject: from: Date: 6 Dec 1995 17:19:27 GMT Message-Id: <4a4jav$gb9@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> How do i change the From: line of my outgoing emails ? I have tried with the options in the setup options menu, but it doesnt work. I do not want to compile it again :) . I have tried with customized-hdrs=From: and allow-changing-from , but it still doesnt work. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 20:49:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08645; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:49:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15678; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15672; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNuWU-00038EC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:46:59 -0500 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <199512071843.KAA12358@mail.eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199512071843.KAA12358@mail.eskimo.com> On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Steve Summit wrote: : In , you wrote: : > [...] All you have to do is answer 'no' when Pine asks you : > whether you want to reply to the newsgroup also. Probably the original : > response you got had a newsgroup header it it -- that's the sender's : > problem -- so Pine is actually doing you a favor of allowing you to make : > a choice. [...] : : [...] Do you know if : Pine can be configured (without recompiling) to *not* ask this : question at all, but rather assume a "no" (i.e. mail only, do not : post) response? Since many people seem to dislike the feature, : and many users seem to accidentally answer the question : inappropriately, it seems to me that making it configurable would : satisfy Pine's critics while leaving the dual reply/post : functionality available for those who prefer it. To the best of my knowledge, Pine is *not* configurable in this particular way without modifying the source code and recompiling. The Pine Development Team may be working on something like this, but I cannot speak for them. (The current Pine version is 3.91.) As I mentioned in my response, prior to actually sending any email/post/reply/whatever, the sender does have full access to the destination headers, but I admit that this does put the burden on the individual to look before sending. I have simply gotten into the habit of doing so and glancing at the header fields before pressing the magic send keys. For example, to respond to your message, Pine asked me whether I wanted to reply to newsgroups. When I said yes, it did not formulate a header to send this to you also by email. I had to add that back in by hand, a feature which I myself find irksome in another way. I have simply learned to live with it in order to get other desirable features of Pine. Unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect world. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 20:53:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08707; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:53:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14138; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:47:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from piper.hamline.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14132; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:47:11 -0800 Received: from mendeleev.hamline.edu by piper.hamline.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Jan95-0146PM) id AA03450; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:49:09 -0600 Received: by mendeleev.hamline.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07199; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:46:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:46:58 -0600 (CST) From: Travis A Hofmann X-Sender: tahofman@mendeleev To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: help Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was inquiring about a possible way for me to use 'talk' or any other form of it besides irc to talk to someone who is using the system NCSA. Anyone's help would be appreciated. Thanks. Sincerely, Travis Hofmann Hamline University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 21:34:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09423; Thu, 7 Dec 95 21:34:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16414; Thu, 7 Dec 95 21:28:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elk.uvm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16406; Thu, 7 Dec 95 21:28:18 -0800 Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by elk.uvm.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id AAA24634 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:28:17 -0500 Received: (from kmaclean@localhost) by moose.uvm.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2) id AAA227238; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:28:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:28:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin W. MacLean" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 23:02:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12040; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:02:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16070; Thu, 7 Dec 95 22:56:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16064; Thu, 7 Dec 95 22:56:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNwfw-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 22:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flavell@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk (Alan J. Flavell) Control: cancel Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:41:53 GMT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 23:37:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12702; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:37:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18524; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:31:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18518; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:31:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNxC6-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Subject: The Y command Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:08:20 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am helping someone, new to the net, learn to use pine. Their sevice provider is running Free Bsd and Pine 3.91. They use a sinclair QL computer. The Y (print) command does not work. I thought if I had a better understanding of how the the command works I might be able to fiddle around and get it to work. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 00:57:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14356; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:57:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19661; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:51:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19655; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:51:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNyTe-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Will Baldwin <76200.275@CompuServe.COM> Subject: cmsg cancel <71597.76200.275@compuserve.com> Control: cancel <71597.76200.275@compuserve.com> Date: 8 Dec 1995 07:54:44 GMT Message-Id: <4a8r04$qd4$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Cancelled by 76200.275 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 01:39:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16103; Fri, 8 Dec 95 01:39:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18400; Fri, 8 Dec 95 01:31:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18394; Fri, 8 Dec 95 01:31:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNz6e-00038EC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 01:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Subject: cc email/usenet automatically Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:01:04 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I use pine to read usenet, but quite often when posting I like to cc an email to the person I am responding to. It gets there faster, and if my post is an explicit response, it insures that they will see it. Currently to do this I have to reply to sender, go up and ^R to get the rich header and then add in the appropriate newsgroup. Is there some way that this can be done automatically? * Bob Morrell * * bmorrell@bgsm.edu * * http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ewc/list-main.html#HDR13 * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 02:01:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16543; Fri, 8 Dec 95 02:01:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17475; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:31:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17469; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:31:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNy9J-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sam Liddicott Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:46:31 GMT Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Well spoken answer; as pine sees no harm in inventing extra headers - so a message can be "marked" as New, when old, and so that standard mail checkers don't report it as actually being new, why not, when saving mail, invent a header reporting the nature of the folder collection it came from. Thus news postings saved into other folders can be automatically identified by pine, as having actually come from news. -- Sam Liddicott | Nothing I say is to be attributed as Campbell Scientific Ltd. | a company statement or representation. 14-20 Field Street, Shepshed, *---------------------------------------- Leicestershire, Phone: +44 (0) 1509 601141 United Kingdom. LE12 9AL Fax: +44 (0) 1509 601091 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 03:00:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17880; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:00:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21269; Fri, 8 Dec 95 02:46:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ccms.ntu.edu.tw by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21263; Fri, 8 Dec 95 02:46:13 -0800 Received: (from pipo@localhost) by ccms.ntu.edu.tw (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA27124; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:42:03 +0800 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:42:03 +0800 (CST) From: pipo@ccms.ntu.edu.tw X-Sender: pipo@ccms To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: accessing my uw account Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear person behind the curtain, I should have asked you months ago how I can access my account at UW. I am a grad student on leave to study in Taiwan for the academic year. I have a feeling that my acct in Homer is full of messages for me and that I ought to be able to read them from here. Can you help? Sincerely, Mary E. Hirsch (current) pipo@ccms.ntu.edu.tw (on leave) pipo@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 03:54:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19225; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:54:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22062; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:36:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22056; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:36:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO14T-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ms@nikson.dataphone.se () Subject: shadow passwords Date: 6 Dec 1995 18:47:58 GMT Message-Id: <4a4ogu$41p@nic.dataphone.se> Hi! How do I get imapd to support shadow-passwords? I use Linux 1.2.13. -- magnus stahre ____ ____ \ / \ / \/ #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) \/ <> <> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 04:25:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20858; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:25:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20403; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:01:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20395; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:01:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO1QO-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 7 Dec 1995 09:41:30 GMT Message-Id: <4a6csa$6m9@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: >It states quite clearly that rfc1036 tries to be compatible with >rfc822. I'm quite sure that if the authors of 822 had known about >1036, they would have mandated a reciprocal compatibiility - however, >*somebody* had to come first. The general philosophy you state sounds nice, but the conclusions you have drawn from it are not good ones. At the risk of deafening readers, let me yell this out: I VERY MUCH DOUBT THAT ANY OF THE AUTHORS OF THESE RFCS EITHER INTENDED, OR WOULD HAVE INTENDED, FOR A NEWSGROUPS HEADER IN EMAIL TO MEAN 'POST TO USENET'!!! Such use for a Newsgroups header is an aberration of recent invention. Please do not blame any of the RFCs for what is, ultimately, a software bug. I am sure that had any of the authors of the RFCs realized that they would be quoted to support the broken software behavior that we are discussing now, they would have rushed to add appropriate disclaimers to their RFCs. >No - you're correct that there is no requirement that at message >with a Newsgroups: header must be posted. However, the RFC does >define that IF a message with such a header does ever manage to >find it's way into the usenet news environment, then the Newsgroups: >header states which newsgroups it should, in fact, be posted to. What RFC makes such a convoluted, hypothetical, and nonsensical assertion? I find no such assertion in rfc1036. I do see that it says: However, it should always be possible to use a tool expecting an Internet message to process a news message. Which only means that it should be possible to feed to a mail-handling program a News posting and expect it to do something reasonable -- such as, for example, mail it to somebody whose address must also be supplied. But rfc1036 nowhere says the opposite, i.e., that it makes any sense to feed an email message to a News program and expect anything useful to happen. They could have said this and made their statements symmetrical. They did not. Case closed. THE RESULT OF FEEDING EMAIL TO A NEWS-HANDLING PROGRAM IS NOT DEFINED BY THE RFCs. > Ok - I know Rahul knows all these numbers. However, he seems to >remember them quite selectively, and it's convenient for his argument >to forget that the layering of protocols and the separation of >concerns is one of the basic design principles of the internet. Er, I am quite happy to separate message formats from transport protocols. The News vs email distinction is not a protocol-dependent issue at all. If you gave me sufficient money, I would happily implement a software suite that would: Transport email via nntp and eventually deliver it into your mailbox. Transport News via smtp and eventually cause it to be installed in your News spool directory. The distinction between email and news exists regardless of how they are transported. It is merely a matter of convenience that observing that nntp is being used lets us quickly determine that News is being transported. In the UUCP world, both News and email are transported via the identical UUCP mechanism -- the only difference is in which command is executed at the other end, whether rmail or rnews, to accept and process the transported data. And yet, I have not seen UUCP users get confused about whether something is News or email, and they don't go crazy and begin posting email to Usenet under some pretence of 'got to separate the transport from the message'. >Rahul woule like zip codes to mean one thing to the U.S. Postal >Service, and another thing to UPS, and then, if someone found >his letter lying on the ground and posted it for him, he would >complain because they didn't correctly guess which transport >he had intended. I am so glad I am alive, because presumably if you came across my dead body, you would get my address from my wallet and try to stuff me into the nearest mailbox. Or worse, get my telephone number and grind me into sufficiently fine particles that could be stuffed into a telephone handset. Or even worse, get my email address, really grind me into fine pulp, and try to pour it between the keys on your keyboard. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 04:29:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21059; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:29:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22845; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:16:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22839; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:16:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO1hh-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 7 Dec 1995 11:21:32 GMT Message-Id: <4a6ins$chn@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> In gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >Rahul, >but since I've >been involved in Arpanet/Internet messaging for over 20 years now, I think >I knew that already. Dear Terry, Your extensive experience does not help readers understand your ambiguous statements any better. >Now see if you can think of a model in which the *news* RFCs might be >relevant to a tool that was about to send a message out *somewhere* and >ALL it had available for deciding *where* and WHICH PROTOCOL(S) to use, >were the headers in the message it was given. Which protocol is used will usually be a site-specific question. In fact some sites will send News via UUCP to some other sites and via nntp to some other sites and perhaps via an email gateway to yet other sites. To say nothing of leaf node sites that often use offbeat protocols such as QWK packets. The selection of protocol is based not on News message headers, but rather, based on the destination site. I suppose you might want to rely solely on message headers to decide if it's News or email, but that too seems unwise. If you *have* to do so I suggest looking for a Path header. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 05:16:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22510; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:16:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21489; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:01:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21483; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:01:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO2OK-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 8 Dec 1995 10:26:41 GMT Message-Id: <4a93t1$g8r@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> In Mark Crispin writes: >On 8 Dec 1995, Peter da Silva wrote: >> So all the while he's been publicly denying that there's a problem he's been >> working on fixing it. >You don't use Pine, and based entirely on hearsay you complained about a >problem which does not exist and can not exist in any released version of >Pine. Without taking either side, let me present an excerpt from a posting by Mark Crispin that appeared on Usenet on March 8, 1995: The gist of the technical issue is this: there is no reliable way to determine what is "news" and what is "mail" to establish modal behavior. If there is anyone who in sincerely interested in the technical details, I will be happy to explain. There have been a great number of suggestions on how to deal with the problem, for which we are grateful; unfortunately some of these are infeasible due to technical considerations. We have already deployed several of the feasible suggestions. These will be in Pine 3.92. We are also actively investigating certain others, including a clever means (if it works -- not yet verified) of distinguishing between non-posted email from tin (et al) and postings. It isn't yet certain whether this will be in 3.92; the jury is still out on whether or not the particular trick in question will work. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 05:34:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22996; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:34:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23631; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:10:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from aruba.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23625; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:10:45 -0800 Received: (from yontaek@localhost) by aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA54535; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:12:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:12:28 -0700 (MST) From: Yontaek Choi X-Sender: yontaek@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: spell check Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to add vocabulary for the spell check? At least, any way to skip censoring my name and email address... of course, without deleting my signature file? Yontaek Choi/ yontaek@u.arizona.edu/ (520)-881-7715 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 06:13:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23925; Fri, 8 Dec 95 06:13:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22335; Fri, 8 Dec 95 06:00:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from x400gate.bnr.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22329; Fri, 8 Dec 95 06:00:19 -0800 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:58:55 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:57:38 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:54:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:54:00 -0500 X400-Originator: /dd.id=118292/g=raymond/i=re/s=marshall/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.453:08.11.95.13.57.38] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: re:The Y comm... From: "raymond (r.e.) marshall" Message-Id: <"5455 Fri Dec 8 08:57:42 1995"@bnr.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re:The Y command In message "The Y command", 'br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu' writes: >[...] The Y (print) command does not work. I thought if I had a >better understanding of how the the command works I might be able to >fiddle around and get it to work. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help >From the Main menu, enter the Setup command. From there enter Printer. This allows you either select a prespecified command, or to roll your own. Enjoy / Ray -----------------------------------+--------------------------------- Raymond E. Marshall | My opinions are not necessarily NorTel, Customer Service | endorsed by my employer, etc. RTP NC, USA 919-992-4731 Alternate access: raym@vnet.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 06:15:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24003; Fri, 8 Dec 95 06:15:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24280; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:57:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24274; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:57:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO3IH-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Posting to newsgroups Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:53:36 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 When I use pine to reply to a newsgroup posting, am I _only_ sending my message to the newsgroup, or am I also sending a duplicate to the e-mail box of the person who wrote the original? To disagree with many of the postings on the "privacy" issue, it would seem to be improper to clutter up the e-mail slot of someone I don't know and don't do business with with my newsgroup responses. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 07:14:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25190; Fri, 8 Dec 95 07:14:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23357; Fri, 8 Dec 95 07:02:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23351; Fri, 8 Dec 95 07:02:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO4Iq-00038EC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 07:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Subject: Re: Dummy needs a ".wastebasket" file Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:35:08 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a00rg$vge@news1.mpcs.com> <4a0er8$kuq@shellx.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a0er8$kuq@shellx.best.com> On 4 Dec 1995, Nancy McGough wrote: > I also would love it if all my "deleted" messages were stored in > a file named something like trash. Yes, I know that I could save > them to "trash" but I'd like to just use the D key. Anyone have > any ideas? > If your setup the read-messages folder all of your messages that you look at will be stored there. That way you will have to delete them twice. Once in the folder they are saved to, and once in the read-messages folder. Saving your deleted messages to afolder like "trash" is just the same as not deleting them in the first place. If that is your real goal then just don't delete them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 09:26:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00483; Fri, 8 Dec 95 09:26:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27792; Fri, 8 Dec 95 09:02:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27786; Fri, 8 Dec 95 09:02:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO68W-00038EC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 08:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Subject: ---Please Read This--- Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 12:12:20 GMT Message-Id: <4a9acb$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Hi, I just wanted to give you the chance to earn some money in a very easy way.A friend of mine turned me on a company called Intercall Marketing, which offers a nice, uncomplicated way to get some more cash, just by callingthem and advertising a bit. The number of the company is 011-24-831-831 (if you're calling from the USA, in other countries it's (i think) ++248-313131). The call has a fee of $1.50, so I think (hope) this isn't to expensive for the possibility to get some more money. Now I'll try to explain how it works: After calling the number a recording gives you deatiled informationon what to to next. After a brief description you will be asked to enter a six digit account number of the person that gave you this number, and this should be my account number. It is -3 8 0 4 9 9- (this one is mine) and then you can start to earn big money for nearly doing nothing. To explain a little how it works, when you type in my account number, the computer will give you you're own account number and a personal PIN Number for your use only. Then it will record name and address for future accounting needs, i.e. payments. Here is where the money comes from: For every call made to this number, intercall receives $1.50. 50 Cents go to the account number you first typed in. But of course, now as you've got you're own account, you'll want people to call and type in your account number right away ! And I think, with the help of all the networking systems around, it won't be a problem to reach many people. Up to now its nothing special, BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER. You not only make 50 cents from the first people who call using your number but also when they get people to call using their number you get another 25 Cents from them, plus another 25 cents from the people they get to call. So that means you get paid 3 Levels deep, which could amount to some serious $$$. An example: If you get 100 people to call (by advertising in the net, or in the local news papers), then you get 50$. If these people, let's say get another 50 people to call, it's already $1,250. But the third Level is the most important one(so you should perhaps hurry a bit), because if these people get 25 people each, that means that you'll get exactly $31,250 (just imagine, if every Level would get 100 people, you would get $ 250.000). Some good cash for nearly doing nothing, isn't it ? If you're wondering why Intercall does this, realize that they get 50 Cents for every call. 1st Level=$0.50, 2nd Level=$0.25, 3rd Level=$0.25 => $1.00. Remember that they'll get $1.50 for each call, so that leaves 50 cents per call. I normally dont try this things out. But it's (IMHO) not possible to loose much money, and just paying $1.50 for calling, and then perhaps getting much more cash, it's not too bad ? But now I stop trying to convince you. You have to decide if this possibility of earning cash is worth $1.50. Thank you very much for reading, i hope it didn'T bother you. C ya Sven H. ----------------Sven Hennig---------------- ------------Zum Kohlwaldfeld 2a------------ -------------D-65817 Eppstein------------- ------------Tel. ++49-6198-9218------------ ------------Data ++49-6198-9208------------ -E-Mail: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 11:11:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06105; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:11:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01624; Fri, 8 Dec 95 10:57:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01618; Fri, 8 Dec 95 10:57:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO7wx-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 10:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: paulp@nic.cerf.net (Paul Phillips) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 16:38:56 GMT Message-Id: <49v870$c1t@news.cerf.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article Paul O Bartlett writes: > If you don't want your response to be posted to a newsgroup, you can >always say no. And IN ANY CASE, you have complete manual control over >newsgroup-posting and email-sending headers before you dispatch the >message. Please don't blame Pine because you are not taking the trouble >to check the headers before sending to see that what you want gets done. Um, Pine is absolutely at fault here. I didn't know there was anyone that contested this. It makes absolutely no distinction between email replies to a post and posted replies to a post copied to email -- how is one supposed to know whether to say 'no' or not? >Pine is a good product. Learn how to use it effectively before >ventilating your pique in public. Pine is a good mailer. It also has an enormous user interface bug that this person rightfully pointed out. -PSP -- "If you have a right, you have the right to force others to get it for you, and to amplify it." -- Michael John Falkner, philosopher to kings alt.current-events.net-abuse From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 11:27:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06783; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:27:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02225; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:16:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02219; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:16:40 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA14986; Fri, 8 Dec 95 20:16:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:16:13 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=28Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD=29?= To: Josi Manuel Csrdova Villanueva Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Setup Pc-Pine Winsock In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Josi Manuel Csrdova Villanueva wrote: > =09and I have in /etc/services the next line >=20 > =09imap3 143/tcp #mail services ^^^^^^^^^ >=20 > =09and in /etc/inetd.conf >=20 > =09imap sream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd imapd ^^^^^^^^^ At least the second line should look like: imap3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd imapd Hope it helps, V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 11:59:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08313; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:59:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01382; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:42:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01376; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:42:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO8de-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mccrae@hweng.syr.ge.com Subject: Re: Announcing new mail Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:43:19 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I believe I've figured out why Pine was not announcing new mail, even though the messages appeared in my INBOX. I had not set a value for my inbox location on the setup/configure screen; it was simply using the system default. Now that I have set the value to the actual mail folder on the system, I get a message announcing how many mail messages have arrived and who sent the most recent one. I wanted to pass that news on, in case anyone else had the same problem. Lotus ------------------------------ mccrae@hweng.syr.ge.com "What you are shouts so loudly in my ears I cannot hear what you say." --Ralph Waldo Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 12:35:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09833; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:35:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04292; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:27:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04286; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:27:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO9LP-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jim Murphy Subject: Re: request for information Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:02:28 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a1rmq$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a1rmq$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> Is it possible to have PINE automagically append a signature file based on whether the message is local or non-local. I do this optionally by resetting in setup - just wanted to do it without setup each time. ============================================================================ Jim Murphy #2295 murphy@numen.elon.edu www.elon.edu/users/f/murphy Elon College ***** Academic Computing Services ***** Elon College, NC ============================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 12:40:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10087; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:40:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02587; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:27:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02581; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:27:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO9M5-00038EC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Weihman Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 09:09:38 -0500 Message-Id: <30C30122.74FD@stpd001.gteds.gtenet.com> References: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zachary H Leber wrote: >Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere >but doesn't get returned? Why not leave to To: field blank, and enter just the BCC: addresses? That way, the mail just shows their address in the list, not a To: field with any name. Works for me... -- -- Stephen -- ------------------------------------------------------- -- Stephen J. Weihman -*- GTE Data Services -- ------------------------------------------------------- -- The opinions expressed herein are entirely my -- -- own, and are not necessarily those of GTE. -- ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:08:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11813; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:08:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05151; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:01:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05145; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:01:29 -0800 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0tO90X-000sDCC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 22:03 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Fri, 8 Dec 95 21:56 MEZ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 22:00:25 +0100 (MET) From: Michael.Joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: Enrique Melero Gomez Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: from: In-Reply-To: <4a4jav$gb9@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Dec 1995, Enrique Melero Gomez wrote: > How do i change the From: line of my outgoing emails ? > > I have tried with the options in the setup options menu, but it doesnt > work. I do not want to compile it again :) . But you have to:-( > > I have tried with customized-hdrs=From: and > allow-changing-from , but it still doesnt work. > Try Reply-To: me@my.other.system in the customized-hdrs. This way all "normal"[1] Replies will be sent to that address. Ciao, Michael [1] unless you are using some strange mailserver who insist on using From: ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE "I used to think that *I* was stupid, and then I met philosophers." (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:10:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11909; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:10:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05197; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:02:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05191; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:02:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO9vH-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Automatic CC's Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:42:08 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 3 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > When other people using pine mail an original message to me, I am > automatically included as a CC. It asks if I wish to "Reply to all > recipients?" Why is this?? When you go to reply and Pine sees a Cc: field, it may ask whether you also want to reply to whoever is in the Cc: field. It may not check to notice that it is _you_ in the Cc: field, so if you reply to all, you should get mailed a copy of your own reply. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:18:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12344; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:18:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04186; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:12:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04180; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:12:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOA5t-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:50:34 -0500 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> On 3 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote (excerpt): > I have just discovered, to my considerable cost and embarrassment, > that pine hasn't the simplest idea of privacy. > (I'm using 3.91 compiled for Solaris.) Yes, it does, provided you learn how to use it effectively. > So, when I send the email reply in pine, pine pops up a helpful > question. 'Do you want to post this to the newsgroups X too?' > > And I say yes, because I assume that for pine to ask me, the > email I am replying to must have been both mailed and posted. If you don't want your response to be posted to a newsgroup, you can always say no. And IN ANY CASE, you have complete manual control over newsgroup-posting and email-sending headers before you dispatch the message. Please don't blame Pine because you are not taking the trouble to check the headers before sending to see that what you want gets done. > THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TRAP I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF FALLING INTO. > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. Calm down. All you have to do is answer 'no' when Pine asks you whether you want to reply to the newsgroup also. Probably the original response you got had a newsgroup header it it -- that's the sender's problem -- so Pine is actually doing you a favor of allowing you to make a choice. Is the cutler to blame if the surgeon is clumsy with the knife? Pine is a good product. Learn how to use it effectively before ventilating your pique in public. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:37:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13211; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:37:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04689; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:29:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dcdsv0.fnal.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04683; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:29:24 -0800 Received: from localhost by dcdsv0.fnal.gov via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) for id PAA17473; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:29:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199512082129.PAA17473@dcdsv0.fnal.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 1_6_1a To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Tool to write/update MH folders of arbitrary depth into .pinerc In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Dec 1995 09:09:38 CST." <30C30122.74FD@stpd001.gteds.gtenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 15:29:22 CST From: Clyde Moseberry If anyone is interested in my posting or emailing a script that writes/updates MH ($HOME/Mail) folders of arbitrary depth into $HOME/.pinerc's folder-collections. I got tired of asking/looking for such functionality, so I composed it myself. MOSEBERRY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:48:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13704; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:48:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06613; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:43:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06603; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:42:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOAXe-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: cmsg cancel <4aa6a0$302@zuul.nmti.com> Control: cancel <4aa6a0$302@zuul.nmti.com> Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:16:24 GMT Message-Id: <4aa6eo$376@zuul.nmti.com> <4aa6a0$302@zuul.nmti.com> was cancelled from within trn. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 14:03:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14542; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:03:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05547; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:58:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05539; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:57:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOAkA-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:16:45 GMT Message-Id: Subject: cmsg cancel <4a9acb$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Control: cancel <4a9acb$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 14:52:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17209; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:52:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08481; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:43:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08475; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:43:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOBRI-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:54:31 GMT In article , Terry Gray wrote: >The concept of which newsgroups a message thread originated in is an >entirely different one, and using the same header for both is "at best, >ill-advised", rn apologists notwithstanding. So it's ill-advised. You know something? It's too late. It's an ill-advised feature which has become part of over a decade of Usenet software tradition. When you send a reply via private mail to a public message, the private reply has a "Newsgroups" header. I would have expected a 20-year veteran of ARPAnet/Internet messaging software to be aware of this in advance. You cannot hope to reverse such a thoroughly entrenched convention as this one simply by saying "we don't like it." Any programmer with an ounce of sense knows that, and the PINE team's obstinacy in this regard continues to mystify me. >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. Since Pine >3.92 will include a work-around for the rn behavior, the issue is moot. Well, I'm eager to continue an extended and pointless argument about it, and I don't think the issue is moot. You guys wrote a bug. That's all -- end of story. (How do I know it's a bug? Because it is a feature that is frequently and consistently misunderstood by people at all levels of expertise: newbies, net veterans, computer neophytes, PINE wizards, and everyone in between. That is practically the very definition of a user interface bug.) An important part of responsible and skillful software design is knowing when you've fucked up. Fucking up infrequently is a good trait, and being able to fix your fuck-ups when they occur is critical, but you also need to be able to recognize and admit to your fuck-ups. In this case, you are so insistent upon not admitting that you've fucked up -- some bizarre, misplaced sense of pride? has Crispin laid an Arrogance Field upon you all from which you are powerless to escape? -- that you've allowed your fuck-up to persist for over a year, to nobody's gain and everybody's loss. Even when it comes to the point where you cannot help but fix the fuck-up, it is more important to you that people not believe it was actually your fuck-up. The idea that it was rn's fuck-up is ludicrous. This is the very worst behavior that I have seen from a design team in years. You guys should go work for Netscape or something. You really expect people to trust your software with their private communications? No, Terry. The point is most definitely not moot. -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 15:02:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17867; Fri, 8 Dec 95 15:02:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07293; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:58:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07287; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:58:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOBhD-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: 8 Dec 1995 04:41:59 GMT Message-Id: <4a8fmn$qf3@news.ysu.edu> References: <818345800.6469@tamarix.demon.co.uk> <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> In a previous article, andrew@tamarix.demon.co.uk (Andrew Josey) says: >: I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained >: from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and >: SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: >: rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd > >This looks like a TCP/IP issue not Pine. I don't think so -- I can successfully execute this command entered by hand at the shell prompt right before starting Pine, which apparently meets with failure, or else seems not to call the rsh. Is it possible that Pine might be trying the restricted shell? Has anybody successfully used Pine this way (passwordless authentication) with a remote IMAP server from UnixWare? Thanks... -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 16:51:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22057; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:51:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12021; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:43:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12013; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:43:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tODJa-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lynch.94@osu.edu (Jerry Lynch) Subject: Re: spell check in Linux Date: 8 Dec 1995 18:09:46 -0500 Message-Id: References: The following was posted a while back on comp.mail.pine. Just save the following as /usr/bin/spell. (Be sure to chmod a+x /usr/bin/spell.) If you want to actually use ispell for spell checking, set the "alternate editor" to /usr/bin/ispell -x. Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/bin/spell ---------------------------------------------------------------- #! /bin/sh # # A front-end to ispell which allows it to act like the "spell" program # By: Christopher Neufeld # case $# in 0) ispell -l | sort | uniq ;; *) cat $@ | ispell -l | sort | uniq ;; esac ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 16:52:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22121; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:52:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10327; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:48:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10321; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:48:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tODPQ-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lynch.94@osu.edu (Jerry Lynch) Subject: Re: using ispell with pine Date: 8 Dec 1995 18:09:52 -0500 Message-Id: References: <9512041355.AA00099@khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa> On 4 Dec 1995, Suhaib Khan wrote: > Apologies if this has been answered n times before - we do not have full > internet access at this site. > > Is is possible to use the interactive spell checker ispell with pine > to check composed messages before they are sent? > > Please email you reply to: suhaib@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa > > regards, > Suhaib Khan > Option 1: Set your "alternate editor" to: /usr/bin/ispell -x Option 2: You can recompile applying the following patch written by John R. Violette and modified by me to invoke "ispell -x" instead of "ispell" (so you don't collect a bunch of backup files all over the place). Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** ../pine3.91//pico/ebind.h Wed Jun 15 18:18:25 1994 --- .//pico/ebind.h Wed Aug 9 11:06:32 1995 *************** *** 99,107 **** {CTRL|'O', suspend_composer}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', spell}, ! #endif /* SPELLER */ {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, --- 99,107 ---- {CTRL|'O', suspend_composer}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', ispell}, ! #endif {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, *************** *** 155,163 **** {CTRL|'O', filewrite}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', spell}, ! #endif /* SPELLER */ {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, --- 155,163 ---- {CTRL|'O', filewrite}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', ispell}, ! #endif {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, *** ../pine3.91//pico/efunc.h Tue Sep 27 12:04:00 1994 --- .//pico/efunc.h Wed Aug 9 11:07:55 1995 *************** *** 243,251 **** extern int readpattern(char *); extern int forscan(int *, char *, int); ! /* spell.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int spell(int, int); #endif /* window.c */ --- 243,251 ---- extern int readpattern(char *); extern int forscan(int *, char *, int); ! /* os_unix.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int ispell(int, int); #endif /* window.c */ *************** *** 446,454 **** extern int readpattern(); extern int forscan(); ! /* spell.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int spell(); #endif /* window.c */ --- 446,454 ---- extern int readpattern(); extern int forscan(); ! /* os_unix.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int ispell(); #endif /* window.c */ *** ../pine3.91//pico/os_unix.c Mon Oct 10 19:28:57 1994 --- .//pico/os_unix.c Wed Aug 9 11:34:17 1995 *************** *** 676,681 **** --- 676,811 ---- } + /* + /* + * ispell - fork off ispell while in message composition + * ispell support added by John R. Violette Bell Canada + * due to pine FAQ suggestion of using alternate editor + * and setting to ispell to use ispell but then one + * can't have an alternate editor so I made the CTRL-T + * binding call ispell which is a stripped down version + * of alt_editor + */ + ispell(f, n) + { + char eb[NLINE]; /* buf holding edit command */ + char *fn; /* tmp holder for file name */ + char *cp; + char *args[MAXARGS]; /* ptrs into edit command */ + char *writetmp(); + int child, pid, i, done = 0; + long l; + #if defined(POSIX) || defined(sv3) || defined(COHERENT) || defined(isc) || defined(neb) + int stat; + #else + union wait stat; + #endif + FILE *p; + SIGTYPE (*ohup)(), (*oint)(), (*osize)(), (*ostop)(), (*ostart)(); + + /* hack by JRV Bell Canada to hard-code ispell to CTRL-T in compose of + pine */ + strcpy(eb, SPELLER); + + if((fn=writetmp(0, 1)) == NULL){ /* get temp file */ + emlwrite("Problem writing temp file for alt editor", NULL); + return(-1); + } + + strcat(eb, " "); + strcat(eb, fn); + + cp = eb; + for(i=0; *cp != '\0';i++){ /* build args array */ + if(i < MAXARGS){ + args[i] = NULL; /* in case we break out */ + } + else{ + emlwrite("Too many args for command!", NULL); + return(-1); + } + + while(isspace(*cp)) + if(*cp != '\0') + cp++; + else + break; + + args[i] = cp; + + while(!isspace(*cp)) + if(*cp != '\0') + cp++; + else + break; + + if(*cp != '\0') + *cp++ = '\0'; + } + + args[i] = NULL; + + if(Pmaster) + (*Pmaster->raw_io)(0); /* turn OFF raw mode */ + + emlwrite("Invoking speller...", NULL); + + if(child=fork()){ /* wait for the child to finish */ + ohup = signal(SIGHUP, SIG_IGN); /* ignore signals for now */ + oint = signal(SIGINT, SIG_IGN); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + osize = signal(SIGWINCH, SIG_IGN); + #endif + + /* + * BUG - wait should be made non-blocking and mail_pings or something + * need to be done in the loop to keep the imap stream alive + */ + while((pid=(int)wait(&stat)) != child) + ; + + signal(SIGHUP, ohup); /* restore signals */ + signal(SIGINT, oint); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + signal(SIGWINCH, osize); + #endif + } + else{ /* spawn editor */ + signal(SIGHUP, SIG_DFL); /* let editor handle signals */ + signal(SIGINT, SIG_DFL); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + signal(SIGWINCH, SIG_DFL); + #endif + + if(execvp(args[0], args) < 0) { + if (errno == ENOENT) { + emlwrite("\007Error: can't execute %s; not in $PATH", SPELLER); + } else { + emlwrite("\007Error: can't execute %s; system error", SPELLER); + } + sleep(3); + exit(1); + } + } + + if(Pmaster) + (*Pmaster->raw_io)(1); /* turn ON raw mode */ + + /* + * replace edited text with new text + */ + curbp->b_flag &= ~BFCHG; /* make sure old text gets blasted */ + readin(fn, 0); /* read new text overwriting old */ + unlink(fn); /* blast temp file */ + curbp->b_flag |= BFCHG; /* mark dirty for packbuf() */ + + /* JRV only need if in Pine not Pico standalone */ + if(Pmaster) + ttopen(); /* reset the signals */ + refresh(0, 1); /* redraw */ + return(0); + } + /* * bktoshell - suspend and wait to be woken up *** ../pine3.91//pico/os_unix.h Mon Oct 10 19:29:05 1994 --- .//pico/os_unix.h Wed Aug 9 11:05:31 1995 *************** *** 130,141 **** /* * What and where the tool that checks spelling is located. If this is * undefined, then the spelling checker is not compiled into pico. */ ! #if defined(COHERENT) || defined(AUX) ! #define SPELLER "/bin/spell" ! #else ! #define SPELLER "/usr/bin/spell" ! #endif /* memcpy() is no good for overlapping blocks. If that's a problem, use * the memmove() in ../c-client --- 130,139 ---- /* * What and where the tool that checks spelling is located. If this is * undefined, then the spelling checker is not compiled into pico. + * ispell support added by John R. Violette Bell Canada jviolett@on.bell.ca + * ispell must be in the user's path. */ ! #define SPELLER "ispell -x" /* memcpy() is no good for overlapping blocks. If that's a problem, use * the memmove() in ../c-client From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 18:02:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24820; Fri, 8 Dec 95 18:02:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13902; Fri, 8 Dec 95 17:58:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13896; Fri, 8 Dec 95 17:58:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOEV8-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 17:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adreyer@uni-paderborn.de (Achim Dreyer) Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) Date: 7 Dec 1995 15:43:07 GMT Message-Id: <4a722b$jbo@news.uni-paderborn.de> References: Jason Saling (p761007@gulfaero.com) wrote: : Hey, Hey, : Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many : MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive : their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must : press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. : This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become : annoying. : Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you : select a message?????? Main Menu -> Setup -> Config change "character-set" to ISO-8859-1 .. that's all! : Thanks, : Jason Cheers, Achim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 23:33:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00757; Fri, 8 Dec 95 23:33:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17202; Fri, 8 Dec 95 23:29:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17190; Fri, 8 Dec 95 23:29:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOJho-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 23:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: 7 Dec 1995 11:06:33 GMT Message-Id: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> Seeking out-of-the-box-compiled Pine3.91 for UnixWare... I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd I am successful with Pine on other platforms. I am able to make the connection with no need to enter username and password, but when making the connection from the pre-compiled UnixWare version, I am always asked for login name and password. I'm trying to migrate to a client-server model with one central host handling all the mail instead of spreading the delivery across many machines. (Yes, being asked to debug the fourth vendor-supplied version of sendmail.cf was too much.) From this UnixWare host, I am able to manually enter the command above and receive the PREAUTH login, meaning it *should* work from Pine. Also, using Pine from another machine meets with success, so my suspicion was that the UnixWare Pine was somehow not attempting this command. (No, with no compiler here, I can't compile, and the idea behind the UnixWear server is that it's a plug-and-pray machine requiring as little administration as possible.) On the imaphost machine, the tcp_wrapper package is running, logging these rsh connections or attempts. So, I decided I would look at the log of connects, since the Pine debug file, even at level 9, shows no indication of the failure of the rsh attempt. My manual rsh attempts are logged from the machine. But when I try to run Pine on the same machine, there is nothing logged. This leads me to strongly suspect that the UnixWare version does not attempt the rsh for preauthenticated login, and instead goes straight to the port 143 connect with manual login and password entry. Can somebody confirm this? And better, can someone provide a pointer to a binary of Pine which will run on UnixWare 1.1.4 and will attempt this rsh login? Your help would be greatly appreciated -- without this, this school will stick to having every host handle its own mail, with totally different sendmails, and a much bigger administrative headache... Thanks... -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 00:15:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01428; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:15:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19411; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:09:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19404; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:09:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOKGc-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sunataya Samkoses - isdp - 3571256 Subject: do you know how to use WWW Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 23:46:38 +0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi :) My name is Dao and I am a new internet user. I don't understand how to use WWW or world wide web. I am now using an internet from DOS . i actually have the one that use with window but it does not work right now because it say It can not connect with my modem , but when I use it with dos it is OK . I really don't get it . I try to learn how to use an internet so I just found this newsgrps, I hope someone can help me . I can not find my friend who know the problem . I also would like to know what is Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape what are they and how can I get in . I am very blank now Thanks for replying Sunataya Samkoses U3571256@mahidol.ac.th From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 00:30:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01640; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:30:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18040; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:24:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18034; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:24:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOKVK-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Steckler) Subject: Re: IMAP - New mail notification Message-Id: References: <49pibo$2afu@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:53:32 GMT In article <49pibo$2afu@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> rob@happy.com writes: >Is there a version of biff (or some other program) that could notify me when new >mail arrives even though we have imap installed and in use. If pine is running it >contact the server and see but I don't want to be running pine all the time to >check for new messages. Any help would greatly be appreciated. > >rob If you're running Windows, try my WinBiff program, at http://www.tucows.com/files/wnbff32.zip. The next version, due any day now, will allow you to specify mailboxes other than the default inbox. -- Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Paul Steckler | World-Wide Web: | | steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk | URL = http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/steck | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 00:42:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01975; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:42:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19839; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:39:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19833; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:39:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOKoG-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrea@pX1.stfx.ca (John Andrea) Subject: feature request Date: 4 Dec 95 17:48:20 GMT Message-Id: >From the To: field it would be nice to be able to connect to a CCSO server. Potentally, with the ability to keep the name of the server in an addressbook so that one could do a lookup later. -- __________________________________________________________________ John Andrea St. Francis Xavier Univ. University Computer Services Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5 http://www.stfx.ca/people/jandrea/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 01:27:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02853; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:27:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20450; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:24:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20444; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:24:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOLVE-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@tamarix.demon.co.uk (Andrew Josey) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 14:16:40 GMT Message-Id: <818345800.6469@tamarix.demon.co.uk> References: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> Barry Bouwsma (ag786@yfn.ysu.edu) wrote: : Seeking out-of-the-box-compiled Pine3.91 for UnixWare... : I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained : from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and : SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: : rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd This looks like a TCP/IP issue not Pine. Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 01:28:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02880; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:28:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18851; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:24:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18845; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:24:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOLVE-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Forwarding messages and .signatures Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:01:02 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the > message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the > bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? There is no problem. This is the way it works, like it or not. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 03:01:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04320; Sat, 9 Dec 95 03:01:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19947; Sat, 9 Dec 95 02:53:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun1srvr.vszbr.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19941; Sat, 9 Dec 95 02:53:29 -0800 Received: from mendel (mendel.vszbr.cz) by sun1srvr.vszbr.cz id AA20037; Sat, 9 Dec 95 11:51:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:55:39 +0000 (GMT) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?krem=BEsk=E1_HO=D8=C8ICE?= X-Sender: sepp@mendel Reply-To: Barry Bouwsma To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: barryb@tuke.sk Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On 4 Dec 1995, Michael Handler wrote: > Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. > > Mark Crispin and the PINE team: here is _yet_another_ example of how > PINE's misinterpretation of the Newsgroups: header in a _private_ > email message has caused someone great harm and chagrin. Well. I just had the *opposite* problem. I *wanted* to post a follow-up to a newsgroup, based on an e-mail copy I had sent myself of an article which I had posted to Usenet. The e-mail copy was sent to my mailbox which I access with IMAP. It contained the Newsgroups: header. For the life of me, I could not get Pine to ask me if I wanted to post to the newsgroup, much less to ask if I could confirm that thousands of readers might be reading the message and killfiling me, and I'd be costing hundreds of not hundreds of thousands of dollars, so do I really want to post this. It seems that I had the behaviour everyone has been clamoring for, but that's not what I wanted. What have I done wrong? I was using 3.91 on SGI, the message in the IMAP mailbox arrived with From:, cc:, Reply-To:, and Newsgroups: -- Pine ignored the last of these and only asked questions based on the first three. Sigh... Barry Bouwsma MZLU v Brn=EC, =C8R (Czechistan) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 07:03:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08362; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:03:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24729; Sat, 9 Dec 95 06:55:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24723; Sat, 9 Dec 95 06:55:32 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27087 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:53:21 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA17411 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:55:12 +0300 (OET) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:55:46 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine Mailing list Subject: Are Unix and PC versions identical? X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, folks! Can anybody tell if the Unix and PC versions of Pine are identical? I have following problem: Pine 3.91 source distribution, compiled without any changes; PC Pine for Windows 3.91 (if I can trust the header). The problem is, PC Pine won't post News article when replying. That is, I have mail with Newsgroup: header, press R)eply, am aksed about text inclusion (or not, if set-up to not do so) and got NO question about Followup. If R)eplying to the SAME message on Unix - it works fine. Is it a bug or a feature? I find it at least annoying, not to be able to trust the program. I cannot tell, looking at code, ANY difference in Setup, which can influence such behavior. PC Pine just doesn't do it. BTW if I choose to followup, I loose the To: header; I would like at least to be asked if I want Follow-Up ONLY or also reply to sender. thanks in advance ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 07:24:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08637; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:24:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23351; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:15:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23345; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:15:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOQxf-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ray Marshall Subject: Re: Forwarding messages and .signatures Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:02:43 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the > message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the > bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? You're right! According to the help text (when configuring), your sig file is only put at the bottom on a REPLY, i.e. it says nothing about FORWARD. But, let's reflect on this a moment... When one replies to a message, one normally want's the original text up first, and responses after the text they apply to. So, it makes sense to put the final signature at the bottom of the whole message. However, when one forwards a message, an explanatory comment is usually put before the forwarded message, and it makes sense to "sign" that text separate from the whole mail message. Putting the signature after the forwarded message sort of implies that you're signing someone else's message... hmmmm. To me the current functionality seems to make more sense. As for your question, I don't believe there IS a problem. Although I haven't used many other Email systems, those I have used function just the same way as pine does. I suspect that it's functioning exactly as it was designed to. Now, if you would like an option to put your sig file AFTER your forwarded message, you can make a request for that new feature. But, realize that pine is OFFICIALLY for those at the University of Washington; and the rest of us use it through their generosity and good will. In other words, you can make a request, and they MAY honor it, but you have no right to expect that they WILL honor it. Peace / Ray -----------------------------------+--------------------------------- Raymond E. Marshall | My opinions are not necessarily NorTel, Customer Service | endorsed by my employer, etc. RTP NC, USA 919-992-4731 Alternate access: raym@vnet.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 07:49:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09054; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:49:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25356; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:45:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25350; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:45:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tORQB-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se (Johan Holmberg) Subject: A single '.' on a line (RFC1521 vs. PINE) Date: 09 Dec 1995 15:17:23 +0100 Message-Id: <63pwdytj7w.fsf@promotor.telia.se> Hi ! >From RFC 1521: (7) Some mail transport agents will corrupt data that includes certain literal strings. In particular, a period (".") alone on a line is known to be corrupted by some (incorrect) SMTP implementations, and a line that starts with the five characters "From " (the fifth character is a SPACE) are commonly corrupted as well. A careful composition agent can prevent these corruptions by encoding the data (e.g., in the quoted-printable encoding, "=46rom " in place of "From " at the start of a line, and "=2E" in place of "." alone on a line. As far as I can see PINE 3.91 handles "From " but not the single '.'. The handling of "From " is controlled by the compile time define 'ENCODE_FROMS'. I have looked through the code but can't find any corresponding code for handling of '.'. Have I missed something or was this intentionally left out from PINE 3.91 ? Its all to common that buggy MTA's interpret '.' as the end of the mail. Even if I have a correct MTA myself I can't controll the receiving end (or intermediate MTA's). /johan holmberg -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Johan Holmberg Email: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se Telia Promotor AB Phone: +46 18 18 94 55 Box 1218 Mobile: +46 70 528 94 55 751 42 Uppsala, SWEDEN Fax: +46 18 18 94 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 08:34:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09895; Sat, 9 Dec 95 08:34:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24302; Sat, 9 Dec 95 08:26:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24296; Sat, 9 Dec 95 08:26:32 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA28565 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:24:24 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id TAA17978 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:26:17 +0300 (OET) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:26:54 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine Mailing list Subject: VERY! long sorting of folders X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, all! I already posted it, but it is getting really bad. I wasn't able for one week to look into my post. When I tried to do it, I had (for example) one folder with 99 messages (nice value) and other (pine-info! surprise) with 250 and some. It took 2 minutes 24 seconds to sort first and over 10 minutes the second!!! I have PC Pine 3.91 for Windows with all folders remote - direct on LAN (mailhost is 1m from PC). I OFTEN am off somwhere for one-two weeks. I try to distribute the mail as much as possible. But still I have at times such sutuation with grown folders. ELM opens such folder at once; even Pine on Unix (without IMAP) makes it VERY fast. So it seems to be the problem of PC Pine. It makes it impossible to use Pine for News-reading. I have 1.5KB/s link, and have to wait one hour befor Pine sorts some news-group. I hope VERY MUCH that it will be changed in next version. It is a pity to see such a (bug?) in otherwise excellent program regards ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 10:20:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11402; Sat, 9 Dec 95 10:20:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25852; Sat, 9 Dec 95 10:15:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25846; Sat, 9 Dec 95 10:15:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOTkF-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 10:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 19:05:49 GMT Message-Id: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article , Paul O Bartlett wrote: > Is the cutler to blame if the surgeon is clumsy with the > knife? If Pine was only intended for use by surgeons, it'd be OK of the handle was sharpened. But it's not... > Pine is a good product. Learn how to use it effectively before > ventilating your pique in public. Pine is intended to be used by naive users. It should be designed to not surprise them. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 12:29:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14050; Sat, 9 Dec 95 12:29:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29590; Sat, 9 Dec 95 12:25:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29584; Sat, 9 Dec 95 12:25:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOVmm-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 12:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: forwarding mail to another address Date: 9 Dec 1995 14:19:46 -0500 Message-Id: <4acngi$ge9@gti.gti.net> Hi! I was wondering if Pine is able to forward mail that comes in on one of my address's, to my other (and most used) address? Thanks in advance! Chris pegboy@gti.net pbmax@ungabunga.com http://www.gti.net/pegboy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 13:34:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15452; Sat, 9 Dec 95 13:34:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00645; Sat, 9 Dec 95 13:24:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from comm1.ab.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00639; Sat, 9 Dec 95 13:24:41 -0800 Received: from umabnet.ab.umd.edu (umabnet.ab.umd.edu [134.192.1.6]) by comm1.ab.umd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA28544 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:28:19 -0500 Received: by umabnet.ab.umd.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44128; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:23:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:23:41 -0500 (EST) From: Dean Kirschner To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: access to chat on the internet? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am accessing the internet and PINE through University of Maryland at Baltimore. I am trying to find out how to access the chat. Would you have any idea of what to do to access the chat mode in the internet? Thanks Dean From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 14:29:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16474; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:29:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29859; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29853; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOXe1-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mccrae@hweng.syr.ge.com Subject: Announcing new mail Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:04:57 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've successfully compiled the Pine source code on a Sun4 system. It seems to work well, except it does not notify me when new mail arrives, except that the new messages appear in the INBOX. I have seen Pine (on another system) print a message on the status line announcing there is new mail in INBOX and who has sent it. How do I get Pine to announce when new mail has arrived? Lotus ------------------------------ mccrae@hweng.syr.ge.com "What you are shouts so loudly in my ears I cannot hear what you say." --Ralph Waldo Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 14:30:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16535; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:30:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01507; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01501; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOXe2-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dabrawn@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (David Alan Brawn) Subject: Help! re:incoming mail folder??? Date: 7 Dec 1995 20:07:35 GMT Message-Id: <4a7hi7$15hg@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> I recieve alot of mail from one certain address. I was wondering if anybody knows if there is a way to automatically put this incoming mail into a separate folder to keep it away from my other mail. Many thanks, dabrawn@acs.ucalgary.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 14:30:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16562; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:30:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29867; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29861; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOXe3-00038HC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: grendel@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 19:26:55 GMT Message-Id: <49vi1v$k87@netaxs.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu> In article <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, Eli Brandt (eli@cs.cmu.edu) wrote: > Not having used Pine, I may be off base: if this feature is off by > default and gives a warning on activation, the user has only himself > to blame. The feature is always enabled -- there is no configuration option to disable it. This whole mess comes because PINE also tries to be a newsreader, and the code for the two functions is so tangled together that they can't stop this functionality for mail without adversely affecting newsreading. Or somesuch other lame excuse. -- Michael Handler Philadelphia, PA sweet and low From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 14:39:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16785; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:39:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01673; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:36:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01666; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:36:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOXpZ-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jordan Elias Massad Subject: PC Pine Where is it? Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:07:53 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can someone tell me where I can find the PC Pine program? I am currently using the UNIX version at my school. If I use PC Pine, can I use all of the same config files from the UNIX version? (Is PC Pine Windows based?) Jordan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 15:05:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17201; Sat, 9 Dec 95 15:05:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00469; Sat, 9 Dec 95 15:01:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00463; Sat, 9 Dec 95 15:01:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOYCR-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rpruess@yoyo.weeg.uiowa.edu (Rex Pruess) Subject: Pine/SGI-more than 24 lines/screen Date: 09 Dec 1995 12:01:30 -0600 Message-Id: I built pine-3.91 for SGI IRIX 5.3. Everything seems fine except for one annoying problem. Pine does not recognize that my remote sessions support more than 24 lines. I set the environmental variable LINES to 36 and all apps (e.g., emacs, more, man) acknowledge the 36 lines. Only Pine refuses to accept it. I should mention that if I connect to an AIX system, issue "stty rows 36" and then rlogin into my SGI, then Pine acknowledges the 36 lines. For fun, I rebuilt Pine with these parameters: #define USE_TERMINFO #define DEFAULT_LINES_ON_TERMINAL (36) But, no go, pine still insists on 24 lines. -- Rex Pruess, Information Technology Services, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA e-mail: Rex-Pruess@uiowa.edu phone: 319-335-5452 fax: 319-335-5505 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 17:51:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20185; Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:51:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02693; Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:47:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02687; Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:47:41 -0800 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0tOZxD-000sEjC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:49 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:43 MEZ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 02:46:39 +0100 (MET) From: Michael.Joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: ++ Pegboy ++ Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: forwarding mail to another address In-Reply-To: <4acngi$ge9@gti.gti.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Dec 1995, ++ Pegboy ++ wrote: > > Hi! > I was wondering if Pine is able to forward mail that comes in on one of > my address's, to my other (and most used) address? Yes. just press F and enter the new address. But if you want to forward the email automagically, then you shouldn't ask the mailREADER for it, that's a job for the mailTRANSPORT. PINE is just a reader, so you may have luck and can create a file named ".forward" in your home-directory (without the quotes:-) ) containing the new address. This is the usual way on (most?) unix-systems. For PC, well, lucky me, I don't have to use one;-) Ciao, Michael > > Thanks in advance! > Chris > > pegboy@gti.net > pbmax@ungabunga.com > http://www.gti.net/pegboy > ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE The people who really run organizations are usually found several levels down, where it is still possible to get things done. (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 19:52:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22573; Sat, 9 Dec 95 19:52:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04330; Sat, 9 Dec 95 19:48:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from imi.imicro.com.205.42.206.IN-ADDR.ARPA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04324; Sat, 9 Dec 95 19:48:47 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by imi.imicro.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA00105; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 23:49:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 23:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: root To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: INBOX (and others) READONLY after COLD BOOT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm yet another Pine (Linux) user with locked INBOXes. I've seen dozens of references to this problem in the archives, but I haven't seen anything that tells me how to fix my system. I don't have multiple pine sessions open. I cant see any problems with my /var/spool/mail files, etc. Where is this lock file? How can I reset the damded thing and get on with my life??? matt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 21:07:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23747; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:07:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06909; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:01:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06903; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:01:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOdpF-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 20:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: m.doherty@rl.ac.uk (Michael Richard Doherty) Subject: PINE on VMS (Not PMDF) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 10:09:33 +0000 Message-Id: Hi I am currently trying to install the Yehavi Bourvine version of PINE (3.91b5) on my VMS system, but I have a few problems... I have successfully installed the VAX VMS version using OpenVMS 6.2 Netlib 2.0 UCX 3.3 ECO #1 The only modfication I made to the code was to add the following line to [.c-client]vms_mail.c #define UCX 1 This was because the code has some #ifdef's for UCX (or so it appears). I have also added searches for "X-Mailer" and "X-sender" in the three functions for looking at RFC822 headers: (search(record, size, "x-mailer:", 9) == T) || (search(record, size, "x-sender:", 9) == T) || These were suggested to me by my colleague Alan Flavell at the University Of Glasgow. I compliled using VAXC, because I encountered some errors with the DECC complier i.e. CC = "CC/VAXC" I have encountered major problems with the Alpha version. I am running the same versions of the above software with DECC v5.0, rather than using the VAXC compiler. When I compile, I get the following warnings from [.c-client]vms_build.com %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 2 undefined symbols: %LINK-I-UDFSYM, MAILDRIVERS %LINK-I-UDFSYM, STDPROTO %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol STDPROTO referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000250 in module OS_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.C-CLIENT]OS_VMS.OBJ ;3 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol MAILDRIVERS referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000380 in module OS_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.C-CLIENT]OS_VMS.OBJ ;3 This seems to be carried through to the [.pine]vmsbuild.com where I get the following warnings: %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 3 undefined symbols: %LINK-I-UDFSYM, MAILDRIVERS %LINK-I-UDFSYM, STDPROTO %LINK-I-UDFSYM, _CTYPE_ %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000578 in module PINE file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OBJ;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000B50 in module ADDRBOOK file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000360 in module SCREEN file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X000008F0 in module MAILCMD file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000518 in module TTY_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000100 in module MAILINDX file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000030 in module STRINGS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000460 in module SEND file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000050 in module IMAP file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000018 in module REPLY file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000340 in module FOLDER file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000020 in module MAILPART file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X000003F0 in module STATUS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000250 in module MAILVIEW file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000390 in module INIT file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X000005B0 in module FILTER file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000150 in module HELP file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X000001B0 in module OTHER file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000200 in module MAILCAP file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000030 in module ARGS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000550 in module ADRBKLIB file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol STDPROTO referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000250 in module OS_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.C-CLIENT]C-CLIENT.O LB;3 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol MAILDRIVERS referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000380 in module OS_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.C-CLIENT]C-CLIENT.O LB;3 The result of all this is when I try to run PINE I get the following message: hepax6/m>run pine %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=0000006B, PC =000F5E24, PS=0000001B %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows Image Name Module Name Routine Name Line Number rel PC abs PC PINE INIT parse_list 8307 00004364 000F5E24 PINE INIT init_vars 6381 00000310 000F1DD0 PINE PINE main 6319 000003D4 000903D4 PINE PINE __main 0 00000088 00090088 0 88498170 88498170 Can anyone advise me on what to to next? Many Thanks, Mike Doherty -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Michael Doherty | Computing Group _/ _/ e-mail: | Particle Physics Department _/ _/ m.doherty@rl.ac.uk >internet | Rutherford Appleton Laboratory _/ _/ RALHEP::DOHERTY >DECnet | Chilton, Oxfordshire, UK. _/ _/-------------------------- -------------------------------------_/ _/ Tel: [+44/0]1235 821900 Fax: [+44/0]1235 446733 _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 21:35:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24168; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:35:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05637; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:32:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05631; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:31:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOeLD-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 20:17:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: Good question. The short answer is that it's a deficiency in IMAP2. IMAP4 can fix it, and a workaround can be done with IMAP2. But nobody has been interested in doing the work in Pine 3.92. I don't know when it will be done. However, you may be screwed anyway, depending upon the vagaries of your email transport; if it changes things so that the Newsgroups header appears to be false, then it won't be recognized. On 9 Dec 1995, (ISO-8859-2) krem=BEsk=E1 HO=D8=C8ICE wrote: > On 4 Dec 1995, Michael Handler wrote: > > > Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > > > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > > > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. > > > > Mark Crispin and the PINE team: here is _yet_another_ example of how > > PINE's misinterpretation of the Newsgroups: header in a _private_ > > email message has caused someone great harm and chagrin. > > Well. I just had the *opposite* problem. I *wanted* to post a > follow-up to a newsgroup, based on an e-mail copy I had sent myself of an > article which I had posted to Usenet. > The e-mail copy was sent to my mailbox which I access with IMAP. It > contained the Newsgroups: header. > > For the life of me, I could not get Pine to ask me if I wanted to > post to the newsgroup, much less to ask if I could confirm that thousands > of readers might be reading the message and killfiling me, and I'd be > costing hundreds of not hundreds of thousands of dollars, so do I really > want to post this. > > It seems that I had the behaviour everyone has been clamoring for, > but that's not what I wanted. What have I done wrong? > > I was using 3.91 on SGI, the message in the IMAP mailbox arrived with > From:, cc:, Reply-To:, and Newsgroups: -- Pine ignored the last of these > and only asked questions based on the first three. > > Sigh... > > > Barry Bouwsma > MZLU v Brn=EC, =C8R (Czechistan) > > > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 21:46:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24351; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:46:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07428; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:42:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07422; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:41:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOeSb-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "James M. Cobb" Subject: Re: Recovering A Pine Session After Disconnect Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:04:08 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49pv3k$gc5@castle.nando.net> Zach, Press ^Z. This gets you to the UNIX prompt without closing pine. At that prompt, type pico. Press Enter. That puts you in the pico editor. Begin composing. Periodically, save or write out to the SAME filename. (Choose a single-letter filename for convenience.) After each save or write-out, at the prompt type pico. Press Enter. In pico, press ^R, then enter filename. Press Enter. Continue composing. Choose a period for the cycle that you feel comfortable with. Upon completion of the composition, save it or write it out. Exit pico. Again at the UNIX prompt, type fg (=foreground) to get back into pine. Enter compose-message screen. Bring the cursor down into the message BODY. Press ^R. Enter filename of composition. Press Enter. To then get to top of the message body, press ^W followed by ^Y. Move cursor into header and make the appropriate entries. Send message. If you have a sent-message folder, you then can press ^Z and at the UNIX prompt type rm . Again type fg to get back in pine. Of course you can start in the compose-message screen, make the appropriate header-entries, put cursor in BODY of message, press ^Z, type pico, etc. Yes, it's inconvenient. But if the composition is important and long, it's much more inconvenient to lose it. If the system goes down while you're composing, the FILE con- taining almost all of your composition will almost always be restored when service resumes; and sometimes you'll even get a message that you can retrieve what pico itself dumped when the system went down. Cordially, Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 22:11:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24666; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:11:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06107; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:07:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06101; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:07:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOet3-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Are Unix and PC versions identical? Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 20:25:10 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The UNIX and PC versions are identical with regard to news. However, the Newsgroups: header isn't transmitted over IMAP2. You are probably using IMAP from PC Pine and local access from Unix Pine. I don't know when this will be fixed. On 9 Dec 1995, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > Hi, folks! > > Can anybody tell if the Unix and PC versions of Pine are identical? > > I have following problem: > > Pine 3.91 source distribution, compiled without any changes; > PC Pine for Windows 3.91 (if I can trust the header). > > The problem is, PC Pine won't post News article when replying. That is, > I have mail with Newsgroup: header, press R)eply, am aksed about text > inclusion (or not, if set-up to not do so) and got NO question about > Followup. > > If R)eplying to the SAME message on Unix - it works fine. > > Is it a bug or a feature? I find it at least annoying, not to be able to > trust the program. > > I cannot tell, looking at code, ANY difference in Setup, which can > influence such behavior. PC Pine just doesn't do it. > > BTW if I choose to followup, I loose the To: header; I would like at > least to be asked if I want Follow-Up ONLY or also reply to sender. > > thanks in advance > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de > SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 22:30:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24940; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:30:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07942; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:27:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07936; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:27:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOfDB-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Help! re:incoming mail folder??? Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 19:40:13 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a7hi7$15hg@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a7hi7$15hg@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> On 7 Dec 1995, David Alan Brawn wrote: > I recieve alot of mail from one certain address. I was wondering > if anybody knows if there is a way to automatically put this incoming mail > into a separate folder to keep it away from my other mail. Pine by itself will not do this. You can use other programs to preprocess your incoming mail into folders which Pine can then read (at least with Unix Pine). If you have a Web browser, look at my home page and follow the link to Nancy McGough's pages. She has material there on mail filtering. (You will have to follow several links to get to stuff on procmail and elm filtering.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 22:33:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25062; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:33:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06365; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:27:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06359; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:27:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOfDs-00038HC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Star Dust Subject: Re: Bcc Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 04:52:56 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 On 8 Dec 1995, Bartman wrote: > How can I make a blank carbon copy with Pine ? You mean Blind Carbon Copy (BCC)? When you're composing an e-mail, press ^R while the cursor is on 1 of the header fields. Then you'll see (r)ich headers, including the BCC field. You can then enter addresses into the BCC field. JY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 00:05:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26362; Sun, 10 Dec 95 00:05:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09213; Sun, 10 Dec 95 00:02:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09207; Sun, 10 Dec 95 00:02:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOgee-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 23:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: Pine, Procmail, and INBOX Date: 10 Dec 1995 01:28:39 -0500 Message-Id: <4adumn$p4m@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Paul O Bartlett writes: >On 5 Dec 1995, Jeffrey S Gostin wrote: >> Hi! Just a quick question concerning integrating Procmail and Pine. If I have >> incoming mail procmail'd into three or four folders > folder4>, would I tell pine that folder[1-4] were incoming folders? If not, >> how would I go about doing it so that pine could tell me which folders have >> new mail, and which ones don't? > I had what apparently amounts to the same situation. Accessing the >folders, of course, is no problem, as they show up in my local folder >collection. I named them IN.this-or-that so that they would appear high >up in the list of folders. > However, Pine does not know about what is in them and does not tell >me how many files are in them until I actually open them. I was able to >obtain a Perl script... Here's the detailed answer on how to get Pine to recognize those folders as incoming-mail folders. I'll assume that the folder is on the same server as your regular mail (i.e. you aren't wanting to use a folder IMAPed from another server [which might be very useful, though, and can be done]). >From the main Pine menu, go to the "L"ist of folders. While your cursor is somewhere in the "Incoming Message Folders" area of the screen, press "A" to Add a folder. You are asked: "Name of server to contain added folder: " Just press return. You are asked: "Name of folder to add " Type in the pathname to the folder you wish to add, relative to your login directory (not just the filename within your mail directory). So, if my mail folder directory is called "mail" within my home directory, and I wanted to mark the folder "IN.anemo" as an incoming mail folder, I'd enter "mail/IN.anemo" (without the quotes, of course). You are asked: "Nickname for folder "mail/IN.anemo": " Enter a single word that will appear as the folder name in the "Incoming Message Folders" list. Now, when you fire up Pine, you can first go to your standard INBOX folder. When that's done, press the key, and you'll move to the next incoming-mail folder that has new mail. All of your incoming mail folders will appear at the top of your "L"ist of mail folders. Nifty, eh? Coupled with filtering by procmail, this can make going through the mail far, far easier, particularly if you subscribe to a number of different mailing lists. Don't overlook procmail's ability to filter out all but one of a duplicated message sent to multiple mailing lists (hence arriving multiple times to your account) - relieves a lot of annoyance for me. -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information with the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 02:25:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28925; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:25:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09318; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:17:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09312; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:17:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOima-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: Pine, Procmail, and INBOX Date: 9 Dec 1995 05:08:59 -0500 Message-Id: <4abn7r$luj@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> gostin@blue.crayola.cse.psu.edu (Jeffrey S Gostin) writes: :Hi! Just a quick question concerning integrating Procmail and Pine. If I have :incoming mail procmail'd into three or four folders , would I tell pine that folder[1-4] were incoming folders? Yes. That's the purpose of the incoming folders designation. -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information with the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 03:34:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00292; Sun, 10 Dec 95 03:34:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11782; Sun, 10 Dec 95 03:27:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11776; Sun, 10 Dec 95 03:27:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOjs4-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 03:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jordan Elias Massad Subject: PC Pine Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 05:04:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Where can I get PC Pine? Jordan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 05:47:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02653; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:47:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12145; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:42:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12139; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:42:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOlxW-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 8 Dec 1995 02:04:58 GMT Message-Id: <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> In article <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com>, I wrote: > Mark: the reason people beat up on you about the behaviour of Pine is simply > because you so aggressively defend it. If you don't want people to identify > you with this brokenness, then stop promoting it. I Cced Mark, and during the exchange of messages he called me all sorts of interesting names. More to the point, though, he told me that: 1. They have been discussing how to deal with this problem since last November. 2. The final changes were made, by Mark, in March. So all the while he's been publicly denying that there's a problem he's been working on fixing it. That they've been so careful in designing the fix is admirable, but why they have been publicly so adamantly opposed to admitting they have a problem that everyone, including themselves, can clearly see? I honestly can't imagine what their motivation could possibly be. This sort of public-relations stonewalling is the sort of thing you associate with corporations like Intel and Microsoft, not volunteer freeware authors. I will, of course, refrain from directly quoting Mark's private email without permission. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 05:50:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02709; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:50:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13763; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:43:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13757; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:42:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOlxW-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Forwarding messages and .signatures Date: 8 Dec 1995 04:33:08 GMT Message-Id: <4a8f64$j3e@guava.epix.net> References: Ray Marshall (ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com) wrote: : On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: : > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the : > message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the : > bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? : You're right! According to the help text (when configuring), your sig : file is only put at the bottom on a REPLY, i.e. it says nothing about : FORWARD. But, let's reflect on this a moment... : When one replies to a message, one normally want's the original text up : first, and responses after the text they apply to. So, it makes sense : to put the final signature at the bottom of the whole message. : However, when one forwards a message, an explanatory comment is usually : put before the forwarded message, and it makes sense to "sign" that text : separate from the whole mail message. Putting the signature after the : forwarded message sort of implies that you're signing someone else's : message... hmmmm. To me the current functionality seems to make more : sense. : As for your question, I don't believe there IS a problem. Although I : haven't used many other Email systems, those I have used function just : the same way as pine does. I suspect that it's functioning exactly as : it was designed to. : Now, if you would like an option to put your sig file AFTER your forwarded : message, you can make a request for that new feature. But, realize that : pine is OFFICIALLY for those at the University of Washington; and the rest : of us use it through their generosity and good will. In other words, you : can make a request, and they MAY honor it, but you have no right to expect : that they WILL honor it. : Peace / Ray Thank you Ray aka the 1st person to give an intellegent response to a question (other than myself) in the last few days. G'Day. sig follows ... no I didn't say '.signature' I said sig as in filename 'sig' as in ^R (control+r) then type sig then press enter. G'Day again ;-) /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ My opinions are my own, but for a small royalty they can be yours. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 07:52:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03911; Sun, 10 Dec 95 07:52:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13422; Sun, 10 Dec 95 07:39:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13416; Sun, 10 Dec 95 07:39:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOnoN-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 07:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Bcc Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:57:58 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> On 8 Dec 1995, Bartman wrote: > How can I make a blank carbon copy with Pine ? Assuming that your version of Pine is current (i.e., 3.91), from the Main Menu go into Setup and Config. Scroll down to default-composer-headers and add Bcc: . Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 08:45:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04709; Sun, 10 Dec 95 08:45:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15832; Sun, 10 Dec 95 08:39:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15826; Sun, 10 Dec 95 08:39:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOoj8-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 08:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) Subject: Problem with pine on a distributed environment Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:15:54 GMT Hello, everyone. I am having trouble performing operations, such as deleting messages, within folders of pine running on a distributed environment, and I understand the problem is with the system's inability to establish a proper lock file. One of the systems to which I have access (not the beautifully-run one from which this post comes) runs in a distributed environment. When a user calls pine, the system performs an IMAP login to the user drive on which the pine mailbox folders are located. However, all the other pine folders are on whichever drive the user's account is on. Consequently, my sysadmin tells me, when a user wants to perform an operation on a folder other than the mailbox one, unless he is logged on to the user drive on which his account lives, it fails because pine can't establish a proper lock file. I am wondering if there is a way of using pine in such a distributed environment so that it will work with its full folder functionality. My sysadmin tells me he once tried to get an answer from this group, but his queries went unanswered. Can someone point me towards some documentation that will help solve this problem? My sysadmin is swamped and would rather not devote time to the problem, so I'm taking it upon myself to see if there is an easy fix. Thanks for all help. Craig Werner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 09:19:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05344; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:19:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14593; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:13:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14586; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:13:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOpHa-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: Re: forwarding mail to another address Date: 9 Dec 1995 14:42:38 -0500 Message-Id: <4acore$ln3@gti.gti.net> References: <4acngi$ge9@gti.gti.net> nevermind! figured out my own question! :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 10:04:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06139; Sun, 10 Dec 95 10:04:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16935; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:58:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16929; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:58:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOq0j-00038HC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 9 Dec 1995 01:52:53 GMT Message-Id: <4aaq5l$s50@hustle.rahul.net> References: In Tim Pierce writes: >So it's ill-advised. You know something? It's too late. It's an >ill-advised feature which has become part of over a decade of >Usenet software tradition. When you send a reply via private mail >to a public message, the private reply has a "Newsgroups" header. >I would have expected a 20-year veteran of ARPAnet/Internet >messaging software to be aware of this in advance. There is actually another subtle point here. The Newsgroups header has *never* meant 'post this to these newsgroups', not even when used in News postings. Once a decision to post has been made, then the list of newsgroups will be obtained either from the Newsgroups header or from the Followup-to header if it exists, as appropriate. In the case of control messages, the software may perform some mapping between what a Newsgroups header says and where the posting actually goes. (E.g., the Newsgroups header might say comp.mail.pine.ctl but the posting might go to comp.mail.pine and/or to control and/or to control.cancel.) To emphasize again, the Newsgroups header is *never* a request to post. I am making a distinction here between a command such as 'please post' and data such as 'here is a list of newsgroups that may be used'. The request to post must occur via some other mechanism: - Piping something to inews is a request to post. - Using the POST command as nntp client is a request to post. - Using the IHAVE command as nntp peer is a request to post (really request to propagate). - Using a follow-up command in a news reader is a request to post. Contrariwise: - Using a reply command is never a request to post, not even when in a news reader (use the follow-up command instead). - Using a reply command is never a request to post when in a mail reader. *** Pine authors please note. *** - The mere presense of a Newsgroups header in anything (whether email or News) is never a request to post. *** Pine authors please note. *** -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 12:13:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08630; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:13:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16961; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:08:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16955; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:08:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOs2Y-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 9 Dec 1995 01:39:10 GMT Message-Id: <4aapbu$rcd@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <199512071843.KAA12358@mail.eskimo.com> In Paul O Bartlett writes: >For example, to respond to your message, Pine asked me whether I >wanted to reply to newsgroups. When I said yes, it did not formulate a >header to send this to you also by email. I had to add that back in by >hand, a feature which I myself find irksome in another way. In all fairness, let's note that making it hard for you to duplicate via email a Usenet posting is desirable behavior. Only a very small fraction of Usenet users want their mailboxes to be cluttered with isolated fragments of Usenet discussion threads. Those who wish to save selected postings can do so themselves -- you or I are not in any position to guess which specific Usenet postings others wish to save. Those who wish to receive entire newsgroups by email have already made such arrangmenets and no help should be required from the rest of us. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 12:36:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09124; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:36:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19148; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:28:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19142; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:28:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOsHn-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:35:54 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> On 8 Dec 1995, Peter da Silva wrote: > So all the while he's been publicly denying that there's a problem he's been > working on fixing it. That they've been so careful in designing the fix is > admirable, but why they have been publicly so adamantly opposed to admitting > they have a problem that everyone, including themselves, can clearly see? You don't use Pine, and based entirely on hearsay you complained about a problem which does not exist and can not exist in any released version of Pine. We were working on the real problem -- in fact we had solved it -- but you and your coherts kept on bringing up this nonexistant problem > I honestly can't imagine what their motivation could possibly be. This sort > of public-relations stonewalling is the sort of thing you associate with > corporations like Intel and Microsoft, not volunteer freeware authors. You were never stonewalled. You were told what the facts were. You choose to ignore them. You even harassed me about this on alt.sys.pdp-10, of all inappropriate newsgroups! Perhaps the next time that you think that you are not being answered, you should try listening. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 12:47:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09297; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:47:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17389; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:38:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17377; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:38:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOsTj-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ghhawk@gate.net (Glenn Hawkins) Subject: Return to Sender - How ? Date: 10 Dec 1995 19:13:17 GMT Message-Id: Just as one can create a ".forward" file to auto-forward ones e-mail to another address, can one create a ".retrun-to-sender" file to auto-return unwanted e-mail from a specific e-mail addressee? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 14:08:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10805; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:08:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20438; Sun, 10 Dec 95 13:58:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20432; Sun, 10 Dec 95 13:58:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOtiL-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 13:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Are Unix and PC versions identical? Date: 10 Dec 1995 10:34:22 GMT Message-Id: <4aed3e$iit@hustle.rahul.net> References: In borsenkow.msk@sni.de (Andrej Borsenkow) writes: >The problem is, PC Pine won't post News article when replying. That is, >I have mail with Newsgroup: header, press R)eply, am aksed about text >inclusion (or not, if set-up to not do so) and got NO question about >Followup. ... >Is it a bug or a feature? I find it at least annoying, not to be able to >trust the program. This is one of those rare cases when: It was intended to be a bug. It turned out to be a feature. People who send you email that happens to contain a Newsgroups header will thank you if you don't try too hard to get this bug fixed. It is preventing you from accidentally posting private email to Usenet. So it's a feature. Let's count our blessings! -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 14:16:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10931; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:16:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20642; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:12:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from world.evansville.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20635; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:12:14 -0800 Received: by world.evansville.net (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0tOtyf-001n7RC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 16:12 GMT-2:08 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 95 16:12 GMT-1:04 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deweym@evansville.net Subject: MIME-aware tools How do I receive MIME-aware tools? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 14:34:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11225; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:34:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18997; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:29:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18975; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:29:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOuEj-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Dan \"Superdan\" Bailey" Subject: USENET & Pine Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 14:42:31 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running Pine 3.91 on my ULTRIX account and have never had any problems with it. Until now. For some reason, it will not permanently add some newgroups nor permanently delete others. Anyone have any ideas on this? Thanks... -- Dan __ -=-=-=-=- |_/\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- .--.\ \ Dan "The Danimal" Bailey ,-*---*_\/ Student, Soldier, Cyclist, Author, Freelance Thinker \_----_ )) superdan@krypton.mankato.msus.edu |c c )`| On IRC: KidBailey ___ /`._ / / Phone: (507)-389-5422 -==[___]\/| \/ `B-\/|_` ) Dan's Web Site from Hell: <'/||\`> http://att2.cs.mankato.msus.edu/~superdan/ __|::| (__.';| Caffeine is the basis for all life in the Universe. -=-=- (_) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 14:54:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11858; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:54:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21222; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:49:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21216; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:49:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOuWr-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Scholz Subject: Accessing an account from a distance. Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:49:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know if you are the group I should be asking this question of, but here it goes. I have an account at the Univ of New Mexico. I can access it via local telephones from home or directly at school. My question is, when I go on vacation, is it necessary for me to call long-distance to these local numbers in order to gain access or is there some way to make use of local calls around the country to access it? For instance if I am in San Francisco is there some local number (say for SFSU) whereI could call and from there login to my accoutn in New Meixco? This seems familiar but I don't know the validity or method by which I do this. Assuming I can find the local dial-in numbers where-ever I am, how do I get to my account? Thanks Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 15:49:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13151; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:49:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20390; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:44:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20384; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:44:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOvOX-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: killfile or some simple program ... Date: 8 Dec 1995 00:46:16 -0700 Message-Id: <4a8qg8$2jc5@mirac.unm.edu> Seasons' greetings, question 1: Is there any capability like "killfile" available in PINE? question 2: Is there any program/script already written that accepts a mail-folder file as input and performs operations on it? (like deletion) What I have in mind is not a "proc mail" type application that are really overkill for what I am after. Something simple will do ... Thanks, hamjavar@unm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 15:50:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13245; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:50:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22094; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:44:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22088; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:44:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOvOZ-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) Message-Id: <1746E994ES86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <4a722b$jbo@news.uni-paderborn.de> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:54:05 GMT In article <4a722b$jbo@news.uni-paderborn.de> adreyer@uni-paderborn.de (Achim Dreyer) writes: >Main Menu -> > Setup -> > Config > >change "character-set" to ISO-8859-1 > >.. that's all! Not "all". It would be useful to ensure that your terminal/emulation has actually been configured to display ISO-8859-1. Otherwise the display could be rather confusing. PINE has no idea what character code your display has been set to, and has no way to change it. For correct results you should set the terminal to match the PINE setting. best regards bzw. Gruesse From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 15:59:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13366; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:59:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20555; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:54:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20549; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:54:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOvZF-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Problem with pine on a distributed environment Date: 10 Dec 1995 18:49:16 GMT Message-Id: <4afa3c$ads@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) says: >When a >user calls pine, the system performs an IMAP login to the user drive >on which the pine mailbox folders are located. However, all the other >pine folders are on whichever drive the user's account is on. This is only giving you half of the flexibility IMAP can provide. >Consequently, my sysadmin tells me, when a user wants to perform an >operation on a folder other than the mailbox one, unless he is logged >on to the user drive on which his account lives, it fails because pine >can't establish a proper lock file. Not quite understanding exactly what you mean, I can think of two known problems. If the machines share the folders/home directories with NFS, file locking is hopelessly broken. This should just mean that two programs attempting an operation on the same folder aren't aware of each other, so if one makes a change, the other sort of shrieks about it. The other possibility is that the folders are local to the machine from which you are logged in and not shared. This would mean they are only visible when you're on that machine. >I am wondering if there is a way of using pine in such a distributed >environment so that it will work with its full folder functionality. Sure there is, but it requires a central location for the folders, which shouldn't be too difficult to arrange, and the advantages of which ought to outweigh the time needed to set it up. The particular solution will depend on your situation. Does your IMAP INBOX server also have access to your folders? Then configure Pine so all folder references are not to the local machine ( mail/[] and so on) but to the IMAP host with these folders ( {imaphost}mail/[] and so on). This also works for postponed messages, so you can move between machines and pick up where you left off. This is easy enough for you to do from the configuration screen; the sysadmin need only modify the pine.conf file to enable this for all users. (Note that this does not work for everything, such as addressbooks, and IMSP with IMAP4 addresses this.) If a different machine is the primary store for your folders, then substitute that machine name for the IMAP host, assuming those machines are running an IMAP server. Using IMAP to access the mail folder works around file locking problems associated with other access methods, and it can work successfully with a minimum of effort. (I use it.) It is assumed that all mail folders are in a directory (mail or Mail) in the user's home directory. If you want both incoming mail and the mail folders to be on a machine users do not typically log into, and have no real need for them to be in the user's home directory, then an IMAP4 server such as the CMU Cyrus server provides this functionality. >Can someone point me towards some >documentation that will help solve this problem? The best I can say is that the IMAP access format used by Pine works for folders as well as the INBOX, so by changing this, you'll be using IMAP. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 20:43:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19053; Sun, 10 Dec 95 20:43:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26460; Sun, 10 Dec 95 20:39:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26454; Sun, 10 Dec 95 20:39:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOzz0-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 20:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ab195@rgfn.epcc.edu (Larry E Scroggs) Subject: Pine will not open folders Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 23:25:14 GMT Message-Id: <1995Dec10.232514.17970@rgfn.epcc.edu> I cannot enter the Pine mail-reader on my network and can't determine why. It worked okay when I logged on earlier today. SYMPTOMS: 1. I type pine at the TENET Unix prompt 2. I get the Pine Main Menu with the following at the bottom of the menu: HOST: Paula-Formby.tenet.edu ENTER LOGIN NAME:lscroggs 3. I press the enter key. 4. The following appears at the bottom of the menu: HOST:Paula-Formby.tenet.edu USER:lscroggs ENTER PASSWORD: 5. I have tried different entries. ie. press enter, type in my Tenet password with no success. 6. I always get the following error response: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Attempting to save debug file to /tenet/d72/lscroggs/.pine-crash Abort process 7. I am then returned to the TENET Unix prompt. Everything else ( telnet, newsgroups, gopher, Lynx) works well. Does anyone know what is happening and how I can correct it? Thanks for the help. Larry E. Scroggs Presa Elementary School 128 Presa Place El Paso, Texas 79907 lscroggs@tenet.edu lscroggs@ix.netcom.com Most people are willing to pay more to be amused than to be educated. Robert Savage -- Larry Scroggs Presa Elementary School 128 Presa Place El Paso, Texas 79907 lscroggs@tenet.edu ab195@rgfn.epcc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 01:46:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24791; Mon, 11 Dec 95 01:46:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28967; Mon, 11 Dec 95 01:35:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28959; Mon, 11 Dec 95 01:35:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP4aj-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 01:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: killfile or some simple program ... Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:11:43 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a8qg8$2jc5@mirac.unm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a8qg8$2jc5@mirac.unm.edu> On 8 Dec 1995, Farid Hamjavar wrote: > question 1: > Is there any capability like "killfile" available in PINE? Not in Pine as such, no (at least not in the current release). You need something to weed out the mail before Pine gets it. > question 2: > Is there any program/script already written that accepts a mail-folder > file as input and performs operations on it? (like deletion) [...] Other than procmail itself, I myself do not have anything. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 02:43:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25773; Mon, 11 Dec 95 02:43:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01650; Mon, 11 Dec 95 02:35:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01638; Mon, 11 Dec 95 02:35:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP5Vw-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 02:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:37:15 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: > In article <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com>, kruise wrote: > >I'm getting sick of > >all the bitching about Pine going on in this group. If you don't like it > >switch to something else! > > Sad to say, I can't seem to persuade everyone who's posting > excerpts from my private mail to switch to a mail agent that won't > do that so easily. So I don't think that's really a realistic > option, dearly appreciated though it is. A realistic approach for you should be to switch to a mail agent that doesn't put bogus "Newsgroups" headers into your mail. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 03:19:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26491; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:19:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02140; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:10:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02134; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:10:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP65Q-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bjb@nwu.edu (bjb) Subject: Any way to get copies of e-mail I sent with Pine? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 23:47:35 -0600 Message-Id: Thought it saved automatically, but can't find it. Maybe I assumed incorrectly? Please respond via e-mail. Thanks... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 03:38:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26891; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:38:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00308; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:10:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00302; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:10:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP64o-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Accessing an account from a distance. Date: 11 Dec 1995 05:51:39 GMT Message-Id: <4aggtb$88g@guava.epix.net> References: Steve Scholz (scholz@unm.edu) wrote: : I have an account at the Univ of New Mexico. I can access it via local : telephones from home or directly at school. My question is, when I go on : vacation, is it necessary for me to call long-distance to these local : numbers in order to gain access or is there some way to make use of local : calls around the country to access it? For instance if I am in San : Francisco is there some local number (say for SFSU) whereI could call and : from there login to my accoutn in New Meixco? This seems familiar but I Yes, but ... read on ... You probably can't 'call' (as in toll-free) but ... for every obstacle there are at least two workarounds ... : don't know the validity or method by which I do this. Assuming I can find : the local dial-in numbers where-ever I am, how do I get to my account? : Thanks Steve You need someone at the locality where you are to let you dial into thier (local) phone # and account (doesna matter if it's San Francisco or Pennsylvannia or Monte Carlo or South Africa) then TELNET to your server and login to your account. Check with your sys admin at unm.edu to see if they allow incoming telnets, most do, some do not. Hope this helps. Please feel free to email me if you need further help, as yer correct, this probably has nothing to with PINE except that yer trying to read your email. BYE. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 04:01:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27476; Mon, 11 Dec 95 04:01:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00672; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:35:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00666; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:35:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP6TL-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 11 Dec 1995 09:01:28 GMT Message-Id: <4ags18$3sl@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> In Mark Crispin writes: >A realistic approach for you should be to switch to a mail agent that >doesn't put bogus "Newsgroups" headers into your mail. Newsgroups headers in email are not bogus. They are used to tell the recipient in which newsgroup he had posted something that resulted in an email reply to him. This is useful information for the human reader. This information is not intended for automatic processing by the mail agent. For example, if I had chosen to send an email reply to your posting, it would have included a header like this: Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine,news.admin.misc BTW, it is good to minimize News vs email confusion and remember that programs generally known as mail agents do not include a Newsgroups header in email. It is News agents that do this, when they temporarily act as mail agents solely to allow a user to send an email reply to a Usenet posting. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 05:22:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00146; Mon, 11 Dec 95 05:22:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03509; Mon, 11 Dec 95 04:44:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pappson.papp.undp.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03503; Mon, 11 Dec 95 04:44:11 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pappson.papp.undp.org (8.6.9/95.1.10) with UUCP id OAA21045 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:16:14 +0200 Received: from englab.birzeit.edu (sayad@server.englab.birzeit.edu [192.116.1.9]) by birzeit.edu (8.6.8/94.9.28) with ESMTP id MAA03832 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:59:53 +0200 Received: (from sayad@localhost) by englab.birzeit.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA10068; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:01:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:01:35 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Abdes-Salam Sayyad To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: ADRESS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to ask whether I can obtain the E-mail adress of omar sayyad at wein state university-michigan,if such an adress exists ,thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 07:06:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01921; Mon, 11 Dec 95 07:06:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03791; Mon, 11 Dec 95 06:49:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pappson.papp.undp.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03785; Mon, 11 Dec 95 06:49:38 -0800 Received: (from birzeit@localhost) by pappson.papp.undp.org (8.6.9/95.1.10) with UUCP id QAA21356 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:35:43 +0200 Received: from englab.birzeit.edu (eliask@server.englab.birzeit.edu [192.116.1.9]) by birzeit.edu (8.6.8/94.9.28) with ESMTP id PAA04140 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:07:39 +0200 Received: (from eliask@localhost) by englab.birzeit.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA10392; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:09:20 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:09:19 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Elias Khalil To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII please send information to my about the usenet . for what it is used for? who dose it work ? who to participate in the usenet ? I have a siminar on this subject so I will be thankfull if you send detailed information to me . thank you . Elias Khalil - Birzeit University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 08:01:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03630; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:01:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06243; Mon, 11 Dec 95 07:46:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06237; Mon, 11 Dec 95 07:46:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPANY-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 07:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Subject: MIME and PGP support Date: 8 Dec 1995 23:36:52 -0600 Message-Id: <4ab79k$aai@complete.org> Pine's current MIME support is very poor. I have had to