From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 00:29:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26422; Thu, 1 Jun 95 00:29:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26074; Thu, 1 Jun 95 00:21:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26068; Thu, 1 Jun 95 00:21:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sH4VW-00038HC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 00:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: PINE, please don't generate headers Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:36:41 -0700 Message-Id: References: <3q5kll$5pa@ocean.CAM.ORG> <3qg5v5$n5f@hustle.rahul.net> <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> Status: O X-Status: On 31 May 1995, Stephen R. van den Berg wrote: > In article <3qg5v5$n5f@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > >What saves the user is that in almost all cases, syntactically-invalid > >message-ids will be accepted by receiving software. > > As far as I know, the only two requirements for message id fields > are that: > 1. They are unique. > 2. To the right of the @-sign, there must be some text that should *look* > like a domain name. Van den Berg is correct and Dhesi is wrong. According to RFC 822, the contents of the Message-ID header is a rule called "msg-id". Buried inside a Message-ID is something called a "domain"; which, in spite of the name, is not necessarily an Internet domain name. Unfortunately, this tends to confuse certain sorcerer's apprentices. Nor is it required to have any embedded periods. A domain consists of a "sub-domain", followed by zero or more period/sub-domain pairs. A sub-domain, in turn, may be a "domain-ref", which is a single atom. The bottom line is that: Message-ID: is syntactically valid according to RFC-822; and those who claim otherwise have mis-read the specification. So, by the way, is: Message-ID: Try and see if your software swallows this! [Hint: Pine does just fine.] The relevant elements of RFC-822 syntax follow: msg-id = "<" addr-spec ">" ; Unique message id addr-spec = local-part "@" domain ; global address local-part = word *("." word) ; uninterpreted ; case-preserved word = atom / quoted-string atom = 1* CTL = ; ( 177, 127.) SPACE = ; ( 40, 32.) specials = "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" ; Must be in quoted- / "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> ; string, to use / "." / "[" / "]" ; within a word. qtext = , ; => may be folded "\" & CR, and including linear-white-space> quoted-pair = "\" CHAR ; may quote any char quoted-string = <"> *(qtext/quoted-pair) <">; Regular qtext or ; quoted chars. linear-white-space = 1*([CRLF] LWSP-char) ; semantics = SPACE ; CRLF => folding ; case-preserved CRLF = CR LF CR = ; ( 15, 13.) LF = ; ( 12, 10.) LWSP-char = SPACE / HTAB ; semantics = SPACE HTAB = ; ( 11, 9.) domain = sub-domain *("." sub-domain) sub-domain = domain-ref / domain-literal domain-literal = "[" *(dtext / quoted-pair) "]" domain-ref = atom ; symbolic reference dtext = may be folded "]", "\" & CR, & including linear-white-space> -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 00:59:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27177; Thu, 1 Jun 95 00:59:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00309; Thu, 1 Jun 95 00:51:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00303; Thu, 1 Jun 95 00:51:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sH4yt-00038HC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 00:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Azad Subject: Re: Attaching files in Pine? Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:56:52 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9505311214.AA15052@lucano.uco.es> Status: O X-Status: Yes, you can see a picture if it is sent to you as attached file. Just use your usual "V" command to view the attached file. If your .pinerc file is properly configured you should be able to see it. You can configure your .pinerc file from the main menu of pine by pressing S for "Setup", and then chosing C to configure the .pinerc file. Now press W for "where is" and find image-viewer. Now press A to add value to that field, I have put xv in that field you can put in the name of any viewer that your system has. Pine is very user friendly. If you want to know more about it just play around with it, use help, look at the command menu that appears on the bottom of the screen, and you would know everything I know about pine. Hope that helped __ __ __ __ /__\ / /__\ | \ / \ /_ / \ |__/ On Wed, 31 May 1995, Antonio Requena Fernandez wrote: > In article <3q8ru1$j8r@news.service.uci.edu> you wrote: > : When you are in the compose message mode, there is a field in the header above > : Message Text by the name of Attchmnt. That field is for attaching files. In that > : field put the filename with the full pathname and that should do the trick. If > : you do not remember the path, just do Ctrl-t, while in the attachment field and > : it will take you to your directory. > > (Excuse my english, please) > > Question: A user with pine program can receive a message with a > file attached? > > A user with pine program can view i.e. a picture attached a mail? > > Un saludo, > > Antonio Requena Fernandez > > > internet: sc1refea@lucano.uco.es > fidonet: 2:345/702.7 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 01:33:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28399; Thu, 1 Jun 95 01:33:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27075; Thu, 1 Jun 95 01:26:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27069; Thu, 1 Jun 95 01:26:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sH5Y6-00038KC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 01:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dstaley@dorsai.dorsai.org (Dennis Staley) Subject: Will Pine work w/GroupWise Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:14:08 GMT Status: O X-Status: Greetings: We are currently operating Pine on four D.G. Unix servers. We will be linking various other Unix servers, and a few Novell networks. They have chosen GroupWise to operate on the new networks, in both ascci and graphics modes. Is it possible to transfer mail from GroupWise to Pine and visa versa with little or no interaction from the user? Response can either be via news group or private Email. Thank You in advance; Dennis Staley --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Staley | dstaley@dorsai.dorsai.org Network Administrator | 72430.2107@compuserve.com Legal Aid Society of New York | pkgman01@aol.com Criminal Defense Division | "Earth is only a beta test site, the | final release will be announced at a | future date." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 02:45:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29855; Thu, 1 Jun 95 02:45:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01528; Thu, 1 Jun 95 02:36:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01522; Thu, 1 Jun 95 02:36:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sH6f5-00038IC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 02:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: srb@cuci.nl (Stephen R. van den Berg) Subject: Re: PINE, please don't generate headers Date: 1 Jun 1995 02:44:47 +0200 Message-Id: <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> References: <3q5kll$5pa@ocean.CAM.ORG> <3qg5v5$n5f@hustle.rahul.net> <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qieue$lbh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Status: O X-Status: John Stanley wrote: >Stephen R. van den Berg wrote: >>>dropped by inn sites, unless the gateway takes steps to correct the >>>syntax in the message-id or generate a new one. Fortunately most such >>>gateways just replace the old message-id with a new valid one. >As the manager of a gateway, I have had to include code to massage >message id's received from mail into ones acceptable to news. Mostly >removing spaces, but also removing illegal characters. Just as a side note, simply looking for `illegal' characters is not enough. You have to do full rfc822 parsing. I.e. <"bla_BLA-"@some.domain.name> is a correct messageid. >>As far as I know, the only two requirements for message id fields >>are that: >>1. They are unique. >>2. To the right of the @-sign, there must be some text that should *look* >> like a domain name. >There is also a limitation on what characters they may contain. Well, yes, if you must, there is indeed a third requirement: 3. To the left of the @-sign, there must be some text that should *look* like the local part of an e-mail address. >>If Pine chooses to append just the hostname and not the FQDN, then >>there is nothing wrong with the generated msgid, as long as (in its >>entirity) it is unique (in time and space). >There are two parts of the message id for a reason. There is the local >side, which a system CAN guarantee is unique locally but cannot >guarantee globally, and the FQDN, which can be guaranteed globally >unique but is not locally unique. Together, the whole is guaranteed >globally unique. >same news code), they can generate the same message id. Unlikely, but >the RFC doesn't say "probably unique". Right, indeed. The RFC says unique in time and space. But the rfc does not say that the part to the left of the @ sign should be locally unique and the part to the right of the @ sign should be globally unique. There is absolutely no reason why one couldn't switch the meaning of the left and the right side (as long as one adheres to the formatting requirements of the left and right sides). You could easily put a string that encodes the FQDN to the left of the @ sign, and put some locally generated unique string to the right of the @ sign. The only thing you have to ensure is that the *entire* message id is unique in time and space. How you accomplish this, is entirely your choice (be it by magic, or whatever encoding scheme you have in mind). E.g. if you put merely the hostname without the fully qualified domain part to the right of the @ sign, then you could, for example, ensure uniqueness by encoding the IP number of the machine in the left part (or some other particularly unique info you have about your machine). So, using the FQDN to the right of the @ sign sure is one way to get to a unique and valid message id, but it is by no means the only way. -- Sincerely, srb@cuci.nl Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless). This signature third word omitted, yet is comprehensible. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 05:20:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04547; Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:20:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00269; Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:11:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00263; Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:11:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sH93g-00038IC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jander@panix.com (Jim Anderson) Subject: imap Windows client available? Date: 31 May 1995 11:08:24 -0400 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Is there a Pine for Windows yet? If not, are there any MS/Windows clients available? Thanks. -- Jim Anderson Consultant-at-large jander@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 05:47:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05050; Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:47:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03602; Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:37:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03588; Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:37:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sH9U0-00038IC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "J. Kelly Cunningham" Subject: Re: Pine/PGP interface Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:11:54 -0600 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 30 May 1995, Robert A. Pickering Jr. wrote: | Date: 30 MAY 95 10:28:32 -0500 | From: Robert A. Pickering Jr. | Newgroups: comp.mail.pine | Subject: Re: Pine/PGP interface | | > For a well written script to interface PGP with Pine: | > | > finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu | | Found it in my mail archives. | | -Rob | Due to tyranny in government, distribution of mkpgp has been temporarily interrupted. As soon as I resolve some issues to my satisfaction, it will resume. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by mkpgp1.1.4, a Pine/PGP interface. iQCVAwUBL8wyxuBu0383Om6dAQEXTgP/WIlHzC5DjRdaTW3f5j/K8epq/VgtPttQ krdt3nohaYhlNUbtloy9LjVVbKUsSj4IRmz+4yIok1KChhyYrCQUxllTVD5X/hjo xngJfhyv3fx2cymQdpxey977BAFKxxYhkX8ECwTEmtW7UfMxsmDgwDF9rLuen0KS y599JeLSkvM= =qraV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka "The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 07:01:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06657; Thu, 1 Jun 95 07:01:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04335; Thu, 1 Jun 95 06:46:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay3.UU.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04329; Thu, 1 Jun 95 06:46:19 -0700 Received: from uucp1.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQysgd06790; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:45:58 -0400 Received: from paradim1.UUCP by uucp1.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:45:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Jean Pierre LeJacq To: Gerry Howser Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why can't I suppress headers? (second try) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 31 May 1995, Gerry Howser wrote: > OK, here we go again. I am under a deadline to open up a PINE mail > server to some executive types. I have been madated that the only > headers that will appear on ANY email message from anywhere are DATE, TO, > FROM, and SUBJECT. I have been informed that this is the standard for > all email systems (????) and that I must comply. I have a lynix system > that is running PINE 3.89 that shows only the four headers mentioned. Is > this a configuration option that I can turn on and off? Do I need to > hack the living daylights out of PINE? I'm no expert on pine or mail systems but here is my two cents. My understanding is that what you are trying to do is better handled in what is typically referred to as the MTA usually something like sendmail or smail. Pine, which is a MUA, basically just presents the message given to it by sendmail. I've done something similar to what you're looking to do by modifying smail on my Linux system. I suggest you look there first. You may want to get the O'Reilly book on sendmail. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jean Pierre LeJacq Quoin, Inc Suite 200 North local voice: +1.203.295.0874 124 Mount Auburn Street voice: +1.617.576.5885 Cambridge, MA 02138 fax: +1.617.576.5876 U.S.A. email: jplejacq@oops.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 08:27:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09357; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:27:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03046; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:18:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03040; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:18:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHBuD-00038HC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dave Saville Subject: Re: pine for OS/2? Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:06:11 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3q5m7t$2mo@silver.scs.unr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3q5m7t$2mo@silver.scs.unr.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 26 May 1995, Chuck Coronella wrote: > I've been unable to find pine for OS/2. Does it exist? How about pico for > OS/2? These would surely be useful to me, and I'm sure to others. > Contact willer@io.org (Steve Willer) for a beta of OS/2 PINE David C. Saville Tel: +44 1293 556326 Second star on the right and straight on 'til morning. Capt. James T. Kirk (Quoting Peter Pan) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 08:59:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10945; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:59:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06164; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:38:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06158; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:38:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHCEM-00038HC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: imapd in Pine 3.91 Date: 31 May 1995 23:40:43 GMT Message-Id: <3qiupr$hhj@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <1995May31.184925.9021@sjfc.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <1995May31.184925.9021@sjfc.edu>, System Manager wrote: > I am in the process of installing Pine 3.91. We have had Pine 3.88 >for a while so I am familiar with pine and pico which are created in the >installation process. Also created are imapd and mtest with which I am not >familiar. I know what imap means and does but the documentation that comes >with Pine 3.91 is not very specific as what to do with imapd and mtest >unless I missed it. I suspect that imapd is the daemon that accepts imap >connections but how is it activated? Do I need to install additional >software or is it all included in pine? Some daemons are activated by simply >typing the name but that does not seem to work here. Can anyone enlighten >me about how to use imapd and mtest or point me to the place where I might >find that information? (It is usually considered improper netiquette to post from a system management account such as 'root', 'daemon' or 'postmaster'. You may want to consider creating your own account for the purpose of email and news.) First, the easy one, mtest. Ignore it. It is a little c-client tester and unless you have some very strange problems with mailbox accessing and you want to play around with low-level functions, you'll never need it. imapd is a bit more difficult, but the following steps should do it (as root): 1. Move the imapd binary wherever you would like it (/usr/local/etc is my choice, some prefer /usr/etc). 2. Append the following line to the end of /etc/services: imap 143/tcp 3. Append the following line to the end of /etc/inetd.conf: imap stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/etc/imapd imapd (if you put imapd somewhere other than /usr/local/etc/imapd, put that name there) 4. Create a link to /etc/rimapd: # ln -sf /usr/local/etc/imapd /etc/rimapd 5. Refresh inetd: # kill -1 InetdPID where InetdPID is the process ID of the inetd process. You're done. All this information, by the way, is included in your Pine distribution in the doc/tech-notes.txt file. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 09:17:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12093; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:17:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04127; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:03:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04121; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:03:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHCey-00038EC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: literal empty string {0} in IMAP4 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: I don't see how the RFC could be made more clear. After receiving a {0}, the server sends a command continuation request response like it does for any literal. Afterwords, the server reads 0 octets of argument data, followed by the rest of the command. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 09:29:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12599; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:29:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04729; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:23:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04719; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:23:10 -0700 Received: from vulcan.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk by calisto with SMTP (PP); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:21:32 +0100 Received: by vulcan.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk (MX V4.1 AXP) id 51; Thu, 01 Jun 1995 17:20:12 GMT Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 17:20:12 GMT From: Howard Jeffrey To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, chest-ecsmail@mailbase.ac.uk Message-Id: <009913CC.6AD18BBE.51@vulcan.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk> Subject: IMSP server Status: O X-Status: Dear all, anyone know of an IMSP server for VMS ? :-) Thanks Howard. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard Jeffrey. Computer Centre, Email: H.Jeffrey@cranfield.ac.uk Cranfield University, Tel: +44 (0)234 754207 Cranfield, Beds, MK43 OAL __o /\ England _ \<,_ / \/\ (_)/ (_) / \ \/\ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 09:46:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13168; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:46:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07516; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:37:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07510; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:37:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHDCx-00038HC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: swong@pobox.com (Sylvia Wong) Subject: Lonely Lily Date: 1 Jun 95 15:15:22 HKT Message-Id: <3qk3cn$c91@news.asiaonline.net> Status: RO X-Status: My friend Lily lives in Hong Kong, like me. She loves to receive phone calls from foreign men. She does not have computer, so I am sending this message for her. If you want to call her and you are in the United States the number is 011 852 1747 3094. Callers from other countries need to put the international code then 852 1747 3094. No e-mail please. Sylvia Wong From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 09:49:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13518; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:49:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05108; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:41:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cascade.cascade.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05102; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:41:21 -0700 Received: (from rcook@localhost) by cascade.cascade.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA17856; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:39:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: roland cook To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: beep Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: My local computer has stopped beeping on receipt of new mail when online with pine. Is this due to some setting in pine, on local PC, on host? rcook From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 10:51:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16282; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:51:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06480; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:43:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pogo.den.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06474; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:43:44 -0700 Received: by pogo.den.mmc.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23093; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:43:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:43:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Michael S Hartman To: Sylvia Wong Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Lonely Lily In-Reply-To: <3qk3cn$c91@news.asiaonline.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now i know what spam is............. MIke From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 11:06:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17078; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:06:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06814; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:57:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06806; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:57:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHELx-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: st92bpfv@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Neil Harkins) Subject: HELP: pine not using FQDN for reply-to address? Date: 23 May 1995 19:42:42 GMT Message-Id: <3ptdri$7be@noc2.drexel.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hello, we are using Pine 3.91 on a SOLARIS 2.4 Sparc 20, which is using smail3.1.29 as the transport. Whenever I send a message to a person on the system, it fills in @hostname instead of @hostname.domain, and does this in the reply to field also, so that mail is going out as if were from user@hostname instead of using user@hostname.domain. Therefore mail fails to return to me properly. ARGH. `hostname` returns the hostname `domainname` returns the domain name Where does pine look to find out the Fully Qualified Domain Name? -Neil Harkins st92bpfv@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 11:26:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18117; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:26:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07521; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:20:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tiny.sprintlink.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07509; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:20:02 -0700 Received: from sjfc.edu (sjfc.edu [149.69.1.2]) by tiny.sprintlink.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01643; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:18:04 -0400 Received: by sjfc.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA28935; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:19:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:19:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Coenraad Bakker To: Aladdin Khamis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Setting MY SMTP SERVER TO Work with PC-PINE? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 18 May 1995, Aladdin Khamis wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody know how to set an SMTP server in UNIX, so PC-PINE is able > to use it and sends and receives E-mail ? > > P.s. I looked through the FAQ for pine, but I still have some hard time > doing it. > > Any help will be appreciated > Thanks Hi, I saw this message in pine-info.current but no followup. I have a similar problem. I can connect fine to my UNIX IMAP server from a PC and read my mail on the UNIX server. However, when I want to send a message, it cannot find the SMTP server. There seem to be confusing instructions about whether it requires an SMTP server. One place it says that it will use sendmail as a default, another place it says that PC-Pine requires SMTP. The latter appears to be the case because if I leave "smtp-server" blank in the config file, it keeps asking for the SMTP server. When I specify the same server to which I connect to read the mail, it cannot connect. That UNIX system has been used for years with pine for regular login users. It may be that the UNIX server is not propoerly set up as an SMTP server even though there is an entry in /etc/services. However, I have a hard time finding information about how to set it up as an SMTP server. Anyone can help me with this? Thanks, Coenraad Bakker From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 11:39:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18932; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:39:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07842; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:30:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07836; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:30:51 -0700 Received: by server.bridgeway.com id <207658>; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:30:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:30:40 -0700 From: Andrew Le To: Michael S Hartman Cc: Sylvia Wong , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Lonely Lily In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Explain... ================================================================== Andrew Le support@server.bridgeway.com Bridgeway Corporation 206-881-4270 Bridging the Gap in Network Mgt. 206-861-1774 fax ================================================================== On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Michael S Hartman wrote: > <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Now i know what spam is............. > > MIke > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 12:07:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20303; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:07:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10695; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:57:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10689; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:57:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHFMt-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Scott Lawrence Subject: Re: Any pattern-matching and filtering capability in Pine 3.91 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:07:03 -0400 Message-Id: References: <9505312224.AB18292@delta1.deltanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9505312224.AB18292@delta1.deltanet.com> Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 31 May 1995, LervA wrote: > In article <3q4ndi$1fp@latte.eng.umd.edu> you wrote: > : I'm a new user of Pine (only started using it this month), and would like > : to know if Pine has any utilities for redirecting mail to specific > : folders based on their subject or their sender. > : If Pine lacks such utilities, are there others that can do the same > : thing? If the only thing that will do the job is the utility "filter", > : examples of rules files would be greatly appreciated. > > : Scott > > Did you ever find out anything about this? > I was wondering the same thing. I saw no posts in the group that answered this question. You're the only person I've received mail from who even mentioned it. Scott From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 12:11:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20503; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:11:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10844; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:05:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pogo.den.mmc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10838; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:05:57 -0700 Received: by pogo.den.mmc.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25481; Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:05:37 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:05:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Michael S Hartman To: Andrew Le Cc: Sylvia Wong , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Lonely Lily In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Andrew Le wrote: > Explain... > > > ================================================================== > Andrew Le support@server.bridgeway.com > Bridgeway Corporation 206-881-4270 > Bridging the Gap in Network Mgt. 206-861-1774 fax > ================================================================== > > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Michael S Hartman wrote: > > > <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Now i know what spam is............. > > > > MIke > > > I got a message saying this is a hoax, called a spam. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 12:26:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21059; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:26:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11227; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:22:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from grizzly.ucla.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11221; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:22:12 -0700 Received: from ms.asucla.ucla.edu. (ms.asucla.ucla.edu [128.97.252.6]) by grizzly.ucla.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA37857 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:21:20 -0700 Received: by ms.asucla.ucla.edu. with Microsoft Mail id <2FCE1313@ms.asucla.ucla.edu.>; Thu, 01 Jun 95 12:20:51 PDT From: "Brunker, Jay" To: pinelist Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 12:17:00 PDT Message-Id: <2FCE1313@ms.asucla.ucla.edu.> Encoding: 3 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: O X-Status: subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 12:27:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21090; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:27:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11220; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:22:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from grizzly.ucla.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11214; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:22:10 -0700 Received: from ms.asucla.ucla.edu. (ms.asucla.ucla.edu [128.97.252.6]) by grizzly.ucla.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA31717 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:21:22 -0700 Received: by ms.asucla.ucla.edu. with Microsoft Mail id <2FCE1315@ms.asucla.ucla.edu.>; Thu, 01 Jun 95 12:20:53 PDT From: "Brunker, Jay" To: pinelist Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 12:18:00 PDT Message-Id: <2FCE1315@ms.asucla.ucla.edu.> Encoding: 3 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: O X-Status: subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 14:36:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26154; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:36:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11884; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:28:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11878; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:28:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHHkQ-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ibarnett@gbc.gbrownc.on.ca (Ian Barnett) Subject: Re: Entering French Characters into Pine (Pico)???? Date: 1 Jun 1995 08:58:42 -0400 Message-Id: <3qkdi3$hus@gbc.gbrownc.on.ca> References: <3qabld$av7@gbc.gbrownc.on.ca> Status: O X-Status: I was able to solve the problem of entering French characters by changing the pico source code. There is a range of characters (including most of the French characters) excluded from entry. I don't know why this range was excluded so I just allowed the entry of these characters. If any one wants to know how to do this email me and I will post the changes I made to the source to allow this. Ian Barnett From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 14:59:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26900; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:59:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14290; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:53:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14284; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:53:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHI8k-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: suresh@cs.Stanford.EDU (Suresh Venkatasubramanian) Subject: Pine bug maybe ? Date: 1 Jun 1995 20:28:04 GMT Message-Id: <3ql7sk$jaq@Radon.Stanford.EDU> Status: O X-Status: There's this interesting bug(?) I found in Pine. When I receive a forwarded message from another user using a non-Pine mailer, Pine splits the mail into two separate mails: One is an empty mail from the user forwarding the message which merely contains "So-and-so writes:", and the second mail contains the text of the mail, and appears to come from the original sender. Does anyone know why this happens and what I could do to rectify it ? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 15:32:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28767; Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:32:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13169; Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:28:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13163; Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:28:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHIft-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91/Linux/Imap problem Date: 31 May 1995 22:53:15 GMT Message-Id: <3qis0r$1enk@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3q396b$vt@news4.primenet.com> Status: O X-Status: In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >You should either get a remote preauthenticated IMAP server, or an >immediate error with the command: > rsh server /etc/rimapd >If you aren't, something is wrong with the way your system is set up. Another possibility: If you are using a pseudo-SLIP or pseudo-PPP program, such as TIA or SLiRP, programs running locally are unable to bind to port 513, which rsh uses. "Reserved ports" (those with numbers under 1,024 on most operating systems) cannot be bound unless the process has root authority. rsh, rlogin, etc., simply won't run if you are using a pseudo-SLIP or pseudo-TIA program, and you must use the {hostname:143}INBOX form in order to keep Pine from trying the rsh method, which will hang indefinitely. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 16:15:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01078; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:15:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14280; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:09:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14274; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:09:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10681; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:09:14 -0700 From: "Brunker, Jay" To: pineown Subject: Unix install Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 14:31:00 PDT Message-Id: <2FCE323C@ms.asucla.ucla.edu.> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: To All: I'm interested in installing PINE on a HP 8XX computer w/9.04. Would someone be able to tell me what kind of info should be present in a users ' profile? Is there any kind of 'cookbook' method somewhere that I can read? Jay Brunker From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 16:16:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01161; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:16:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16107; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:13:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16101; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:13:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHJMA-00038ZC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: barmar@nic.near.net (Barry Margolin) Subject: Re: PINE, please don't generate headers Date: 1 Jun 1995 18:26:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3qleqh$spn@tools.near.net> References: <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qieue$lbh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> Status: O X-Status: In article <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> srb@cuci.nl (Stephen R. van den Berg) writes: >The only thing you have to ensure is that the *entire* message id is unique >in time and space. How you accomplish this, is entirely your choice >(be it by magic, or whatever encoding scheme you have in mind). The designers of RFC 822 didn't choose to use the addr-spec format arbitrarily. It was clearly the *intent* of RFC 822 that this global uniqueness be accomplished by creating a locally-unique local part and using the globally-unique name or address of the sending host to the right of the @. Other than "by magic", there's simply no other way to ensure that message ID's are globally unique (given existing protocols -- another possibility is some central message-id registry, but there isn't one). -- Barry Margolin BBN Planet Corporation, Cambridge, MA barmar@{bbnplanet.com,near.net,nic.near.net,netcom.com} Phone (617) 873-3126 - Fax (617) 873-5124 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 16:52:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03020; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:52:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16872; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:48:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16866; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:48:10 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14154; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:48:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Scott Lawrence Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Any pattern-matching and filtering capability in Pine 3.91 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 owGdVU1oHVUUTpFSveDW9SGoaeBlJkmT0MSQ5GEbfSWNxqTEn5Zw38ydN7eZuXcy 986bPgiI4KYI3YjoTjeuRMFacKN7QRQUd0XqQhfuRNyIYP3unfeSSBGKQ3Lfnfvz nXO+850zN8euPHJ6LPx26/a9r7bfevvx7745dSr/7dT94v4f7/xEf0V/7r76xRuL n9zqv/f6Y8sbP2arH/z6s93/+7MFe+3Ll75+//e7Rf5o3r391N3Fd9/8YevTD7// 5dbNj+58fufjM/e6p42NpRrDw15QtJNWLZqhS5WimcXF+RZtR9pa2uB1KVQkqC61 FUuMrRAO74q4Redm6DIfDE9viLJ/5on26NgK4W+FOop4aWWUCVo+dzCnYvnkTFKs ZdxaEQjVC6o8DkRcrdBAV8d3V2iJOhM5cVKipsqIknRCL0ol6KxW2YCMBayIsSVV j6Qlm0pDuVY2nWwRVzHVuspiyuS+oCGg1bSvdE1yiJRyg5MDqqzMpJXCUKJLKkUs SxFZh5tzmblrphCRTGQ0Qkp0FovSUJcb+KAVrAtZkqm613GTgDJcEArnglFAQ7sZ j/YNDkfpsWn4XAp3C6N2PwYv3FLEFcXabZDh+XEoKdxbJQfptjwlfq25VcssG127 rrskjZ821gY0nsjMinK8NYITN3heZCAAJJeVm+AExobDrqBeKbiFDV4U4EZyUN9E 5YcLMvbpE33kKZEgX1fWUdu4xLvu1SVotdEE1dxhO24al4fB+eNBI50OlmpSmgpt rCHpOYYfuiqaGLkyNdiKm8wfVMJYqVVA9IquJhouG14AVoBPZKkz0RfIbyRkH/d8 cpNS51Sn2vmuKBfKgWBTWu8H2zkJTjyyFc+A2RPWHHtwUEkLY4kVqkVdxKo0/gUv HWOm2SCGGXQKOG72QV8Q0DOTjHWapcxoinTfww1j9VpZb2+h5Nbh5RIKdLh4Ac5m unDe0o7gOS0XWJ5K+MFarCMUC3CCiEcBeHaUWvDiagz53uQqGtDl6Dld9VJaVu41 X5MyiHS+wrYbAS/R8ygTJ70ONVIBM8bwnnCJQD3EMkngKsxLhYsuicOSWGWMHu5h zMcSa4A6viDXWGTITDkYGnViQNDIdVKpyCcAVMXID3UHTZWwotS9kueoH19P4Hgc S5HL7birw5HU/XyI37y4I4hI2WCcnM/sNaTkmp+tY5+jmUBFsbA451TmKsAzjho5 8g9mRSO19dESWiJ0hby5LsR8IocOuUXo06UxHUCSVtywBH+Mi0z7SjbC9wHed851 0TQ5ksFYam2xFIZ1XQeRNIFOpZ5CB3QtNK7CI7AQCgjRLJWwoTMYHvnptOF2g9Tm 2f+GGzH7bzTmAioy7mR7IiLzYCSMJd4wxiDlWTSALiGfsKi6oZQhpCVKZ+zI7T1n bQ+WHvLiyEF/hbHDq3RIdHg1xHiB99GlNgK6jN4IQeOJs3ztwSohOjs7vTBJC+fn pxZm56bZYUiHex6IaBu1XLu4Lqoe1CvK1n9U5EmUuem5eTq73n55kl1R0tODJoyE 7x4ZbtGmsLUu8V14Gu3U2FKij0B2z+q8qKxX2qWLU7PTbG4eYDPzNqU2mtnmRXym IUwLgnfbtHh+Zhqf4ivbbUT/Dw== =HFLC -----END PGP MESSAGE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 17:06:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04046; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:06:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17092; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:01:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17086; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:01:29 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14489; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:01:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Gerry Howser Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Filtering headers in PINE (3.89) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Gerry, The behavior you described for Linux is the expected Pine behavior (though you will see Reply-To: and Cc: if they exist). I am not familiar with the Unisys port (where did you get it?) but it should behave the same. You should _never_ see a Recieved: header, etc, in Pine unless you specifically enable the full-header command and use it... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 31 May 1995, Gerry Howser wrote: > I appreciate the thought, but I have already tried that. The problem I > have is a little more subtle than that. I have had Pine running on a > lynix box for some time now and the ONLY headers a user sees (with a > plain vanilla .pinerc file) are the DATE, TO, FROM, and SUBJECT. My > Director wishes to see only those headers on all mail. By this I mean > that he want me to filter the Reply-to, Received, and all Comment type > headers. All he wants is to see those four headers and no others, even > if they were attached by previous mailers. I think I will have to look > at the way that Pine processes the header and delete every line except > those four and find some way to turn the whole thing on and off so that I > will still have the headers for debugging. > > The headers that I am talking about are present if you use mailx, also. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerry Howser (POSTMASTER) > howser@lincolnu.edu > Manager of Systems, Programming, and Telecommunications > Lincoln University > Jefferson City, MO 65102-0029 > > On Wed, 31 May 1995, David L Miller wrote: > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by lincolnu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) > > id AA27655; Wed, 31 May 95 02:51:11 CDT > > Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu > > (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19190; > > Wed, 31 May 95 00:49:33 -0700 > > Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:49:23 -0700 (PDT) > > From: David L Miller > > To: Gerry Howser > > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: Re: Filtering headers in PINE (3.89) > > In-Reply-To: > > Message-Id: > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > On Tue, 30 May 1995, Gerry Howser wrote: > > > > > I have recently installed PINE on a U6000/550 from Unisys and am having a > > > MINOR problem: How can I filter the headers on an incoming message so > > > that all the Received-From and X-.... headers do not show? I have PINE > > > on a LYNIX box and it only shows the Date, To, From, and Subject > > > headers. Is this a pine configuration option, a compile option, or a > > > SENDMAIL option? I need to resolve this before I am called in to train > > > the University President and his V.P.'s > > > > > > > Pine will not show the extra headers unless you turn on the > > enable-full-header-cmd feature in your .pinerc file (or > > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf) and give the 'h' command. Giving 'h' again will > > toggle the full header mode back off... > > > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: 2.6.2 > > > > iQBVAwUBL8wfit/IU4uTDdHNAQGrwQIAhe27jbou3r8pnsEXgR72boj0Zz1EiDYs > > 8rMhvYvVmmJWXWaRGBge+r80HQG38rSMew7qrIHakz7tzGvYNCeHuQ== > > =0/hA > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 17:15:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04403; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:15:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15880; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:09:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15874; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:09:27 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14725; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:08:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Leslie Jennings Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Shared address book In-Reply-To: <3qhpfh$oeo@balsam.unca.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 31 May 1995, Leslie Jennings wrote: > Leslie Jennings (jennings@cs.unca.edu) wrote: > : How would I go about setting up a shared address book on a UNIX system? > > Let me rephrase... how do I go about setting up pine so that all new > users use the same global addressbook? I'd rather not have to tell the > user how to go into setup/config and manually change the location of the > global addressbook. > You can set the global-addressbook in your system-wide /usr/local/lib/pine/conf file... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 17:26:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04793; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:26:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16139; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:22:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16133; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:22:09 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14994; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:22:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:21:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Gerry Howser Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why can't I suppress headers? (second try) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 31 May 1995, Gerry Howser wrote: > I agree that the mailer on the Unisys may be including an errant line. > There was an earlier problem like that with POP3 clients. Any ideas? I > strongly suspect a blank line BEFORE the actual header (may be just a > NEWLINE) is the problem. > > The question is: Who do I hang? > > Unless my wits have deserted me completly, isn't the first blank line, or > single newline character, the definition of the end of the header and > beginning of the body? If so, I am going to rattle some cages at UNISYS! > That is correct. The end of the header is actually two consecutive newlines, the end of the last line followed immediately by another newline. If that appears before the end of the headers, whomever put it in needs to be hung :) Sorry about the previous confusion... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 18:42:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06590; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:42:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17138; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:33:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17132; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:33:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHLZC-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: literal empty string {0} in IMAP4 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:47:24 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 31 May 1995, S Jin wrote: > I would appreciate very much if anyone can make it clear. > In IMAP4 (RFC 1730), if a client send a literal empty string {0} > to an IMAP4 server, the server should response with a command > continuation request response with the token "+". (See Page 6 and > 38 in the RFC) > And then what the IMAP4 server expects next? Is it a new command? > Or is it still the rest of the previous command? One of two things is expected: 1) either a space and subsequent arguments to the command. 2) CRLF to complete the command Or, as you put it, "still the rest of the previous command". -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 18:51:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06799; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:51:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18647; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:48:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18641; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:48:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHLqb-00038HC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: PINE, please don't generate headers Date: 1 Jun 1995 22:17:02 GMT Message-Id: <3qle8u$r0t@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3q5kll$5pa@ocean.CAM.ORG> <3qg5v5$n5f@hustle.rahul.net> <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> Status: O X-Status: In Mark Crispin writes: >Van den Berg is correct and Dhesi is wrong. >A sub-domain, in turn, may be a "domain-ref", which is a single atom. >The relevant elements of RFC-822 syntax follow: > msg-id = "<" addr-spec ">" ; Unique message id Being right has has never stopped me from being wrong. My philosophy re 'right' vs 'wrong' may be extracted from the saved posting that is appended below. It would be interesting to know: What is pine's algorithm for guaranteeing uniquenss without ensuring that the right-hand-side is in the form of a dotted domain name? Date: 25 May 95 20:26:25 GMT From: Rahul Dhesi Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.smail,comp.mail.headers Subject: Re: is this a bad header? (gurus welcome) Organization: a2i network In bjohnson@intellinet.com (Bernard Johnson) writes: >I have been told that the following header is bad because of a "blank" >line. The line is actually not blank (or null as defined in RFC-822), >but a TAB and a SPACE character. All my mail scripts written in perl test for the end of header with something like this: if (/^\s*$) { ... } A line with only blanks is treated as end of header. I don't try too hard to be RFC-conforming, but I do try to accomodate BITNET and other IBM-based sites, which do not distinguish between empty lines and blank lines. I also try to accomodate people who manually generate messages and might accidentally add some blanks in the separating empty line. In your argument with the other party, you were probably talking at cross-purposes. Many wars begin when people talk about being 'correct' or 'portable' when they really mean 'standard-conforming'. Correctness has to do with whether or not something works in its intended environment. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 19:02:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07045; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:02:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17464; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:58:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17458; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:58:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHLyK-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) Subject: Re: reply-to header buglet Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:28:12 GMT Status: O X-Status: According to Barry Landy : >A Reply-To: header in a received is displayed as >Reply To >(as is also the case in a message being composed, if the Reply-To is set >up in a customised header). > >INterestingly enough, when displaying the headers in fullheader mode, the >format is >Reply-To: > >Is this deliberate (feature) or a mistake (bug)? >If deliberate, is it more confusing (to those who know the RFC calls it >Reply-To) or less confusing (to naive users)? I've always wondered about this but have lost no sleep about it :-) It looks like a feature... -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 19:31:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07838; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:31:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19164; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:28:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19158; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:28:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHMQn-00038EC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simone@crash.cts.com (Simone Shoemaker) Subject: question about sent-mail folder Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:32:00 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I notice that every time I send a message, it gets copied to a folder called "sent mail". Is there any purpose behind this? As as far as I'm concerned, I don't need to keep those messages around. Is there a way to tell the Pine to quit doing this - or at least ask me whether I want to save a particular message? Simone From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 19:54:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08418; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:54:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18175; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:48:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18168; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:48:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHMiS-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 19:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: PINE, please don't generate headers Date: 1 Jun 1995 22:16:49 GMT Message-Id: <3qle8h$1do@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3q5kll$5pa@ocean.CAM.ORG> <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qieue$lbh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> Status: O X-Status: In article <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl>, Stephen R. van den Berg wrote: >John Stanley wrote: >>As the manager of a gateway, I have had to include code to massage >>message id's received from mail into ones acceptable to news. Mostly >>removing spaces, but also removing illegal characters. > >Just as a side note, simply looking for `illegal' characters is not >enough. You have to do full rfc822 parsing. >I.e. <"bla_BLA-"@some.domain.name> is a correct messageid. No, I do not have to parse anything. I am not simply looking for illegal characters, I am removing them. The result is a valid message id. It may not be the same message id, but I have a copy of the incoming one, and either a copy of the outgoing or the ability to recreate it, so it doesn't matter. >>There is also a limitation on what characters they may contain. > >Well, yes, if you must, there is indeed a third requirement: > 3. To the left of the @-sign, there must be some text that should *look* > like the local part of an e-mail address. Then there is also a fourth requirement: 4. The message id cannot contain certain characters. For example, spaces are prohibited in the domain part. This is not a complete list. >Right, indeed. The RFC says unique in time and space. But the rfc >does not say that the part to the left of the @ sign should be >locally unique and the part to the right of the @ sign should be >globally unique. Please read the RFC before continuing to comment. The RFC does, indeed, specify that the local part is unique, but since it does not specify how it is to be made unique, it cannot be guaranteed to be anything but locally unique. It also specifies "domain" for the right side, and because of DNS and the way domain names are created, it will be globally unique. >The only thing you have to ensure is that the *entire* message id is unique >in time and space. How you accomplish this, is entirely your choice >(be it by magic, or whatever encoding scheme you have in mind). No, the RFC does limit you. >E.g. if you put merely the hostname without the fully qualified domain >part to the right of the @ sign, then you could, for example, ensure >uniqueness by encoding the IP number of the machine in the left part No, sorry. How the local part is created is up to each system. That means, yes, you can encode what you want there, but that also means others can encode the same things the same way and come up with the same thing. >So, using the FQDN to the right of the @ sign sure is one way to get >to a unique and valid message id, but it is by no means the only way. With the current RFC, it is the only way. Yes, you can come up with other schemes, but those schemes are not RFC compliant. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 20:22:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09223; Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:22:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19800; Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:18:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19793; Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:18:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHNEB-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "H. Marc Kneppers" Subject: Re: Setting MY SMTP SERVER TO Work with PC-PINE? Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:27:51 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Yup, I have the same problem. I can connect via imap no problem, but I can't send a message. As far as I understand it, you don't need anything special on the PC-Pine end (gateways or anything). The UNIX smtp server should just pick up the connection request at port 25. I had to fill in my own 'smtp server:' field in the pinerc file. Here it is: smtp-server: PAMCO_UX this is the host name of our computer (we're not on the net so I don't have to worry about any further domain designation, etc.) When I try to send mail I get an error "SMTP connection went away". The system logs show that there was a connection, and it even creates a directory in the /var/spool/smtpq area for the incoming connection but NO DATA is transferred!! I posted before and got a little response.(still haven't got it working) Some suggested that it was due to a faulty TCP/IP stack on the PC end of thing (the Novell stack wasn't great). I also would appreciate any help getting this to work. Marc Kneppers kneppers@acs.ucalgary.ca On 1 Jun 1995, Coenraad Bakker wrote: > On Thu, 18 May 1995, Aladdin Khamis wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anybody know how to set an SMTP server in UNIX, so PC-PINE is able > > to use it and sends and receives E-mail ? > > > > P.s. I looked through the FAQ for pine, but I still have some hard time > > doing it. > > > > Any help will be appreciated > > Thanks > > Hi, > I saw this message in pine-info.current but no followup. I have a > similar problem. I can connect fine to my UNIX IMAP server from a PC and > read my mail on the UNIX server. However, when I want to send a message, > it cannot find the SMTP server. There seem to be confusing instructions (...stuff deleted...) > have a hard time finding information about how to set it up as an SMTP > server. Anyone can help me with this? > > Thanks, > Coenraad Bakker From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 1 23:13:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13378; Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:13:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21069; Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:09:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21063; Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:09:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHPqx-00038CC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Paul O. Bartlett" Subject: Re: How can I get a "successful delivered" mail after sending? Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 19:28:20 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 21 May 1995, Ian Russell Ollmann wrote: > If you add a customized header which says: > > Return-Receipt-To: > > to your message, most sendmail programs will send a receipt to any address > appearing after the header. [...] > It should be emphasised that this does not work on all > systems since not _all_ systems support the Return-Receipt feature. [...] Thanks for replying. I was aware of these points (especially how to configure Pine). Somehow I had the idea (perhaps mistakenly on my part) that someone was claiming to have coerced a delivery reciept from a receiving end by doing something on a sending end. As you point out, not all systems even respond to the Return-Receipt-To: field if it is present. I certainly do not have any kind of figures, but I speculate that a significant portion of non-Unix systems (e.g., IBM VM/PROFS) do not recognize this field. In such a case, there is nothing the person using Pine to *send* mail can do, short of getting a new Internet standard through and waiting for it to be universally implemented. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 00:24:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15139; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:24:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22580; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:20:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22574; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:20:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHQxx-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: => MS-Mail gateway SMTP Non-documented error <= Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:37:27 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article dancona@ibm.unige.ch (Daniel D'Ancona) writes: >The external SMTP router says EHLO, my MS-gateway doesn't understand it and >closes connection. At this point, any further communication becomes impossible. >This error isn't documented by MS. >The question is: What configuration must I have for my gateway to solve this >problem ? A fixed version of MS-mail Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' Redistribution of this message via the Microsoft Network is prohibited From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 00:39:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15627; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:39:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22180; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:31:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22174; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:31:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHR8F-00038EC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kinnk@cougar.vut.edu.au (Nicholas King) Subject: Redirecting Pine Date: 22 May 1995 09:09:33 +1000 Message-Id: <3poh7d$5kk@cougar.vut.edu.au> Status: O X-Status: hey PPls, Just a quick question, how can you redirect a certain Address Like A Mailing list from your inbox to a folder so that it doesnt clog up your in box, any suggestions please Email them to me, thanks Cheers -- -- Victoria University of Technology Nicholas King Information Technology (Melton Campus) .-_!\ Phone : (03) 747 7432 PO Box 14428 MMC, Melbourne 3000 / \ Fax : (03) 743 1554 Mail ---> kinnk@cougar.vut.edu.au \_.-._/ ---> Nicholas=King@vut.edu.au V -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 02:56:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18740; Fri, 2 Jun 95 02:56:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24210; Fri, 2 Jun 95 02:49:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24204; Fri, 2 Jun 95 02:49:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHTIn-00038EC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 02:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mshallop@scruznet.com (Micheal Shallop) Subject: pop3/port 143 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:50:00 PST Message-Id: <1995Jun1.224447@mshallop.sc.scruznet.com> Status: O X-Status: Using pop3 on port 110... inbox-path={host.provider.com}INBOX inetd.conf and services set-up ok... I start pine and get error - can't connect to service.provider.com,143 - connection refused What am I not setting up that's causing pine to go out to port 143 and not port 110? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 03:58:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20149; Fri, 2 Jun 95 03:58:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24626; Fri, 2 Jun 95 03:46:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24620; Fri, 2 Jun 95 03:46:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHUDc-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 03:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: olsen@menext3.engr.ucdavis.edu (Thomas Olsen) Subject: Username Date: 1 Jun 1995 21:29:42 GMT Message-Id: <3qlbg6$mt4@mark.ucdavis.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hello, I have a problem with my user id. On the machine where I read and respond to email, my username is simply olsen. However, most of my mail is routed through a machine where I'm known as tholsen. The problem appears when I try to respond to the mail. The mail is form user@host.domain.net and is to tholsen@ucdavis.edu. When I try to reply, Pine asks if I want to reply to everyone which means user@host.domain.net and tholsen@ucdavis.edu. My question is how to I get Pine to recognize that I am tholsen@ucdavis.edu? Tom Olsen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 05:21:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22748; Fri, 2 Jun 95 05:21:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25837; Fri, 2 Jun 95 05:09:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hsv-server.cici.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25831; Fri, 2 Jun 95 05:09:33 -0700 Received: from sigma.cici.com by hsv-server.cici.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19609; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:21:42 CDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:07:25 -0500 From: Dave Wood Subject: Error with INBOX To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1260 Status: O X-Status: When i start up my PINE 3.89 program on my Linux system, it says: Folder format invalidated (consult an expert) aborted. After that it says: No folder opened. Once it says that, it will allow me to compose messages, and open all the saved mail folders, except for the INBOX. This is really annoying. It happened on June 1st, right after the program prompted me to move all sent-mail to May-sent-mail. If ya need any more information I would be happy to oblige. Thank you in advance for any help you can give me. Dave *********************************************************************** * _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ * * _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * * _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ * * _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * * _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * *********************************************************************** * << SigmaRho @ IRC >> << E-Mail: drwood@cici.com >> * * << Home Page @ http://www.cici.com/~drwood/home.html >> * *********************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 06:19:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23735; Fri, 2 Jun 95 06:19:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26620; Fri, 2 Jun 95 06:10:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26614; Fri, 2 Jun 95 06:10:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHWQ8-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 06:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ben T. Feese" Subject: Re: export whole folder? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: If I may, I would tag onto this query with a slightly different problem-- I run PC Pine on my home machine mainly for the purpose of being able to read OFFLINE my (Unix) Pine mail (which I get on a dialup acct at the school where I teach). I ftp the Unix Pine folders to my home machine. Problem is, while the PC Pine will read these Unix Pine folders OK, the folders are READ-ONLY. I can copy individual articles to PC Pine folders, but I cannot then delete the thus-transferred articles from the Unix Pine folders. Can anyone tell me if there is a way I can carry out a "MASS" copy of the entire Unix pine folder to a PC pine folder, so I won't have to fool with dozens or hundreds of individual article copyings? Also, is there anyway of tagging articles (using the ";" key or whatever as in Unix pine) and then applying a command en masse? I have PC Pine 3.91 for Windows/Winsock and cannot figure out how to access this feature which I so love on the Unix pine. TIA ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) http://www.centre.edu Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 ============================================================================= On 31 May 1995, Don Sugarman wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 1995, R Russell Neuswanger wrote: > > > I can back up a folder by exporting each message to a file in my > > home directory, appending each to the previous, and then ftp'ing that > > from here (my pine account's on a machine in the bowels of the building > > somewhere) onto a diskette -- but the process is tedious, and the result > > messy. Is there a good way to transfer a whole folder intact onto a > > diskette, off that other machine, onto a diskette stuffed into the > > workstation I sit at? LaMail, which comes bundled with the OS/2 package > > (at least the one we have here), is pretty flaky, but it does transfer > > whole folders onto diskette without supervision, in the background, while > > I get something else done; surely pine can do better?? > > > The folder is just an ascii text file, usually stored in the subdirectory > 'mail' under your home directory. Just transfer that file to diskette in > the same way you were transfering the file you were exporting to. > > e.g., copy mail/ a: if attached to your file server. > > This has nothing to do with Pine. > > Don Sugarman > sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 07:58:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25905; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:58:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27678; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:50:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27672; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:50:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHY0I-00038LC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kmforest@mailbox.syr.edu (Kathleen M. Foresti) Subject: Re: remote mail server Date: 2 Jun 1995 12:04:24 GMT Message-Id: <3qmuo8$lir@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: I'd be interested too. Article: 8848 of comp.mail.pine Path: newstand.syr.edu!transit.nyser.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.LASER.NET!usenet From: rmbill@laser.net Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: remote mail server Date: Wed, 31 May 95 14:39:40 PDT Organization: LaserNet, L.L.C. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3qidis$6sm@news.laser.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: support.laser.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage I currently have 7 BSDI boxes. Is it possible to forward all mail to a new (8th) machine and have all my users get mail from that machine without logging into it? I am using Pine 3.91 and BSDI v2.0 I want to avoid the following: 1. users logging into the mail server. 2. entering users into the new machine 3. letting the users know the machine is there. Thanks Rick Bill rmbill@laser.net -- ******************************************************************** Kathie Foresti email: kmforest@mailbox.syr.edu Computing & Media Services phone: (315) 443-4103 212 Machinery Hall fax: (315) 443-3817 Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 13244-1260 ******************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 08:08:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26327; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:08:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28089; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:55:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28083; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:55:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHY3j-00038IC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morris@geni34 (Morris Berman) Subject: Problem: Can't Write to Folders Message-Id: <1995Jun2.113538.23949@arl.mil> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:35:38 GMT Status: O X-Status: I just returned from 2 weeks of vacation to find my Pine working improperly. Somehow my "sent-mail" folder got marked as read-only and I can't write anything to it. It gives a "[Can't open append folder: Permission denied]" error when it tries to write it as the FCC folder and also "[Can't open append folder: Permission denied]" error when I try to copy a message into it. When I go into that folder it doesn't tell me that it's READONLY. I've tried deleting the folder and then recreating it all with no effect. I can't save any message to any folder, I get an "[Can't open destination folder: Permission denied]" error each time. I've also gotten a "[Append not valid for file]" for some folders that I've tried to save to. The permissions on all folders are set to 600, and I've tried t changing that to 777 with no effect. In addition, the directory has permissions 750. When I ran a session and just tried to save a message into a folder "junk", I got the following in the pine-debug file: so_get error: /usr/users/geni21_users/morris/mail/junk : Permission denied I'm really confused and would like to fix this problem. If anyone can give me any helpful advice, please do. I am at a loss of where to go from here. thanks, -- -Mb ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@lamp0.arl.mil, http://lamp0.arl.mil:8080/~morris MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee Yamaha XJ550M (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (R/C) #481896 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- If your reply bounces...Please reply to morris@lamp0.arl.mil -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request <=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 08:11:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26477; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:11:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27948; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:05:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27942; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:05:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHYCX-00038IC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 07:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: glouis@io.org (Greg Louis) Subject: Re: Pine/PGP interface Date: 1 Jun 1995 09:44:12 -0400 Message-Id: References: , pickerin@phoenix.sas.muohio.edu (Robert A. Pickering Jr.) wrote: > > For a well written script to interface PGP with Pine: > > > > finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu Been withdrawn. Reason given is government tyranny. The site is in the US. Anybody in the civilized world ;-) got a copy? G r e g L o u i s |"'Minime aberrasti,'| pgp: finger glouis@io.org """""""""""""""""" |" dixit Pu, | or SLED: key@Four11.com http:// |" 'sed aberrasti a | 77 0B 39 81 28 CE 7D D0 www.io.org/~glouis |" folliculo!'" | 4C 7A 6E CC E7 21 4C 55 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 08:14:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26532; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:14:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28374; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:05:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28368; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:05:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHYF2-00038LC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ben T. Feese" Subject: How to get OrdrdSort by Date *Sent* Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On my Pine 3.91, under the OrderdSort option, all messages with a given title are sub-ordered according to the date of *arrival*. This OrdrdSort ffeature is supposed to produced a "thread-like" display of newsgroup postings. But responding articles often arrive here AFTER the originating post, resulting in a jumbled order. Can anyone suggest how to get an OrderedSort based 1st on Subject, then on Date *SENT* ?? TIA ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) http://www.centre.edu Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 08:37:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27758; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:37:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28211; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:20:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28205; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:20:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHYUn-00038MC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Paul O. Bartlett" Subject: Gotcha Using PROCOMM+ and Pine Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 20:22:16 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This evening I discovered a gotcha with my communications software and Pine on a dialup Unix. I'll describe it, and anybody interested may email me for the fix, as it will apply only to a minority of readers. When composing/replying/forwarding in Pine, one may invoke an alternate editor (Alt Edit) with the keystroke ^_ (control-underscore). J. Kelly Cunningham's useful (thank you) tip of earlier today to replace the message-quoting characters makes use of this. I simply had had no reason to use this function before, so when I tried it, blooey! Fortunately, the fix is simple. I am using PROCOMM Plus Version 2 on an MS-DOS PC, Version 5. PROCOMM Plus dials me into my Internet service provider, a BSD Unix system which has Pine 3.91 installed. When I press the ^_ key combination, I do not get whatever I specified for an alternate editor for Pine. Instead, the screen flashes clear and shifts into 43-line mode!!! It takes a bit of coaxing and coercing on the keyboard to get my Unix-and-Pine session back. Obviously, what you see ain't what you get. Although I have not found it yet in the PROCOMM documentation, ^_ obviously does not send the desired value (hex 1F, I think) back to the host. Instead, PROCOMM Plus intercepts it and does weird things. Fortunately there is a simple solution involving PROCOMM Plus's keyboard remapping program. If my scenario fits your situation, email me and I'll send instructions on how to do it, rather than take up space here for those not affectd. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 08:44:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28101; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:44:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29071; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:35:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29065; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:35:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHYcW-00038IC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: ?Possible to include addresses in mail? Message-Id: <173B1BDA1S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <3qmc07$d52@cutter.clas.ufl.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:29:04 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <3qmc07$d52@cutter.clas.ufl.edu> tetsuo@grove.ufl.edu (Vinod Vijay Tandon) writes: > Just wondering if there is any feature in Pine that would allow >the user to pick and include an address in a mail message automatically. >Im tired of having to write down addresses from my addressbook to include Type the nickname into the CC header - PINE will fill in the email address from your addressbook - use cntrl/K to cut it out of the CC header, then move the cursor to the body of the mail and use cntrl/U to paste it into the mail. "Write it down" - what's that? ;-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 09:13:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00117; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:13:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29075; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:55:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29069; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:55:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHZ02-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 08:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@rs.ucc.okstate.edu Subject: Automatic filing of messages Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:41:51 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: If I want to file all messages from soandso@thus.and.so.net to some folder (and have it done automatically), what do I need to do? andrew@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 09:19:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00456; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:19:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00210; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:10:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00204; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:10:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHZET-00038IC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: We Resrict users to /usr/local/rbin - How can 'spell' work? Date: 1 Jun 95 13:18:24 GMT Message-Id: References: <3q2qp9$1k6@detroit.freenet.org> Status: O X-Status: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) writes: >On 25 May 1995, Andrew P. Dinsdale wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> We have a restricted, not chroot I *must* add, environment where users >> can only execute programs in /usr/local/rbin. This includes Pine, Lynx >> their menus, cp, rm etc etc. Users execute Pine from a menu - so typing >> a number spawns /usr/local/rbin/pine. Everything works like a charm >> except for spell (^T). We have tried moving /usr/bin/spell into >> /usr/local/rbin (as well as all the programs used by spell) but still >> no cigar. When ^T is invoked Pine simply echoes back "Done Checking >> Spelling" with no corrections made. When I run Pine in a command tool I >> see "sh: /usr/bin/spell: restricted" - this does not surprise me as we >> are not giving users access to /usr/bin!!!! >> >> Now, what I need is some good advice on how to make Pine look for 'spell' >> in the users path NOT by looking for /usr/bin/spell. Has anyone hacked >> the source successfully (we tried that too) ?? Or can any Pine developers >> who read this group explain where I would change the code. >> >Before your menu calls Pine, have it set the SPELL environment variable to >/usr/local/rbin/spell. I have been working with Andrew on this problem. I posted several weeks ago, but the only person who answered didn't have a clue as to how the restricted environment works. First, rsh will refuse to exec anything with path info in it. It rather primitively checks for /'s and exits with an error message. This is part of the protection mechanism of rsh that keeps the restricted user from accessing things you do not want her to. When I inspected the src code, I found that pine calls spell with system(). Even when 'SPELL=spell; export SPELL' was added to the ruser profile, the system() call seems to try to add path info, which causes rsh to refuse to exec it. If Andrew or I figure this out we will post. I am hoping I do not have to reimplement the portion of the code that now uses system(). >|\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 >|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) >University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 >4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 10:07:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02368; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:07:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00709; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:00:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00703; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:00:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHa2I-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Attaching files in Pine? Date: 1 Jun 95 13:31:24 GMT Message-Id: References: <3q69ee$acg@mail.one.net> Status: O X-Status: sugarman@mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (Don Sugarman) writes: >On 27 May 1995, John S. Kennedy wrote: >> Maybe I missed something entirely obvious ... but >> how do you attach an 8 bit file to a Pine message? >> >> Thanks! >> >In the header area, press ^J (ctrl-j), which will ask you for a file to >attach and a comment to go along with the file. Your attached file will >be MIMEd and sent. >Does your recipient use Pine or another MTA with MIME compatibility? >If not, your recipient will need mpack/munpack to decode your >attachment or you will have to uuencode your binary file and read it into >your message with ^R. If the file you are attaching is ASCII, there should be no need to attach the file using MIME. Simply read the file into pico (^R). >Regards, >Don Sugarman >sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 10:49:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03651; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:49:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02279; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:45:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02273; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:45:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHait-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: reply-to header buglet Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:06:59 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: A Reply-To: header in a received is displayed as Reply To (as is also the case in a message being composed, if the Reply-To is set up in a customised header). INterestingly enough, when displaying the headers in fullheader mode, the format is Reply-To: Is this deliberate (feature) or a mistake (bug)? If deliberate, is it more confusing (to those who know the RFC calls it Reply-To) or less confusing (to naive users)? ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 11:46:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05767; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:46:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02881; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:40:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02875; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:40:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHbVo-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt (CIISTiado) Subject: Re: Using Pine for News Date: 23 May 1995 14:34:22 -0000 Message-Id: <3psrpe$h62@alfa.ist.utl.pt> References: <3pme6i$t9a@silver.scs.unr.edu> Status: O X-Status: Steve Buehler (buehler@scs.unr.edu) wrote: : Regarding the previous post, I changed the configuration area of nntp-server : to tin [], but it doesn't seem to be working. Tin is the program I use : to access my newsgroups. I don't use pine to read my news (I use tin, like you) and I think that you should know the name of your nntpserver. For instance, I'm in alfa.ist.utl.pt and my nntpserver is news.ist.utl.pt. The nntpserver is normally (?) a machine name,not a program. You should call you system administrator and ask him what is your nntpserver. Or while starting tin, look to the "connecting to ..." that apears on the startup (in my tin it does...) Hope it helps. Good luck. |CIISTiado - Antonio Augusto Gaspar Lourenco - l38056@alfa.ist.utl.pt |Informatic Centre, Superior Techical Institut, Tecnical University, Lisbon |Electrotecnic and Computer Engineering - Branch of )|( | Telecomunications and Electronics PORTUGAL (o o) |--Indonesia is killing innocent people in East Timor----------ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 11:52:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06036; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:52:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03634; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:46:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03628; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:46:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHbhA-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: swong@pobox.com (Sylvia Wong) Date: 1 Jun 1995 16:55:23 GMT Message-Id: Subject: cmsg cancel <3qk3cn$c91@news.asiaonline.net> Control: cancel <3qk3cn$c91@news.asiaonline.net> Status: O X-Status: Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 13:17:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09553; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:17:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04591; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:12:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04579; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:12:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHd1M-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ben T. Feese" Subject: Re: reading mail in PC, possible? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 31 May 1995, Nancy McGough wrote: > Paul O Bartlett writes: > >On Sat, 27 May 1995, Special Weapons And Tactics wrote: > >> Is that posssible to read the folders in PC like reading it in > >> pine. [...] > > > >Just download the one you want to your PC and read it with > >your favorite editor or file viewer. > > And possible choices for viewing the folders on your PC are PC-Pine > for DOS and PS-Pine for Windows, which are available from: > > ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine > > I think that in order to use these to view a folder on your PC you ^^^^ > need to be connected to the Net - does anyone know if that's true? > > Thanks, > Nancy ===================================================== Nancy, I am able to VIEW Unix pine folders with my PC pine (I ftp the Unix pine folders from my work Unix account to my home PC where I run PC Pine for Windows/Winsock (not a "real" MS-Windows implementation of pine). PROBLEM IS...the Unix pine folder is READ-ONLY, so that although I can view the individual articles and can copy them (one-by-one) to a PC pine folder, I cannot *delete* them from the Unix pine folder under PC pine, nor can I do a MASS copy of the Unix folder to the Pc folder format. Can you or anyone else suggest a way to ease this Unix/PC pine folder format incompatibility? I am somewhat of a pine newbie, but is there a way to find out the particularities of the format difference between a Unix pine folder and a PC pine folder, so that perhaps one could hack out a conversion utility? (some of my Unix pine folders are 2-3 megabytes and article-by-article conversion is not very enticing!). Also any word on when there will appear a PC for Windows incarnation that has all the neat features of the latest Unix pine version? Thanks! ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) http://www.centre.edu Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 13:20:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09657; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:20:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05601; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:12:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05595; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:12:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHd2V-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: question about sent-mail folder Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:24:08 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Simone Shoemaker wrote: > I notice that every time I send a message, it gets copied to a folder > called "sent mail". Is there any purpose behind this? As as far as I'm > concerned, I don't need to keep those messages around. Is there a way to > tell the Pine to quit doing this - or at least ask me whether I want to > save a particular message? What you are describing is Pine's default action. If you do not want to save any particular message, put the cursor on the Fcc line in the header and press ^K to omit the value. Pine will then not save that message. If you do not want Pine to save _any_ outgoing message (not a good idea, in my exerience), go into Setup (off the main menu) and Configuration. On the first screen set the default-fcc value to two double quotes (nothing in between them). Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 13:28:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09903; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:28:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04743; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:22:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04737; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:22:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHdC4-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: miotto@ues6.cern.ch (Alessandro Miotto) Subject: pine for AIX 4.1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:33:30 GMT Status: O X-Status: I have seen something about this thread some ten days ago. Recently I have been told that the directory /usr/ucb does not exist on AIX 4.1, so the c-client library should be recompiled with RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh On AIX 3.1 /usr/ucb/rsh is anyway a link to /usr/bin/rsh. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alessandro Miotto - CN/DCI/UES | Tel: +41 22 767 9576 CERN - European Laboratory | E-mail: Alessandro.Miotto@cern.ch for Particle Physics | CH-1211 Geneve 23 | -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alessandro Miotto - CN/DCI/UES | Tel: +41 22 767 9576 CERN - European Laboratory | E-mail: Alessandro.Miotto@cern.ch From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 13:51:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10919; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:51:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06170; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:42:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06164; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:42:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHdW2-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simone@crash.cts.com (Simone Shoemaker) Subject: Re: Q: Pine 3.91 for Mac..does it exist? Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:26:27 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995May8.174149.12958@ludens> Status: O X-Status: David Weinrich (dweinr1@gl.umbc.edu) wrote: : In article <1995May8.174149.12958@ludens>, lovas@ludens.elte.hu (Gyorgy A. : Lovas) wrote: : >Dear Netters, : > : >I wander if Pine 3.91 has been ported to Mac platform at all. If so, I'd like : >to know if it is available for download and from which archive. : >Sorry if it is a FAQ, but I was unable to find any pointer. : > : >Any help or pointer is greatly appreciated. : >Thanks in advance : > George : > : >PS: This is my second trial; I hope this time someone responds I am using Pine 3.91 on my mac right now. So it definitely exists. But I don't know anything about software, so don't ask me whether it's good. I assume it's good, because I got it from a computer programmer who uses it on his Mac - with all the bangs and whistles. Simone From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 14:02:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11384; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:02:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05443; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:56:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05437; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:56:00 -0700 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA22715; Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:53:51 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:53:51 +0200 (METDST) From: "Vladimir Solnicky (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD?=)" To: "Ben T. Feese" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: reading mail in PC, possible? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Ben T. Feese wrote: > PROBLEM IS...the Unix pine folder is READ-ONLY, so that although I can=20 > view the individual articles and can copy them (one-by-one) to a PC pine= =20 > folder, I cannot *delete* them from the Unix pine folder under PC pine,= =20 > nor can I do a MASS copy of the Unix folder to the Pc folder format. I think the select (;) command IS available in pcpine for Winsocks, but=20 you have to enable it by going to Setup/Config menu and setting the=20 enable-agregate-command or something like that (sorry, I am asleep and=20 don't eant to start a PC and MS Windows to check it). | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe Home page: http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-en.html Z=E1kladn=ED str=E1nka: http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-cz.html Zakladni stranka: http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-ce.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 14:40:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12795; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:40:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06179; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:32:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06173; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:32:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHeHv-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Austin Adamson - IS Subject: Pine 3.91 on Wyse 50 terminals ? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:29:17 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have compiled and installed Pine 3.91 on our system (Unix SVR4) and it seems to work great. The only problem that we've been having is the way Pine functions on some Wyse 50 terminals that we have. Pine does not repaint the screen correctly and none of the keys seem to work correctly. The arrow keys will not move around in the menus or do what they are supposed to do. Can anyone help or is this just a problem where Pine won't work with a Wyse 50 terminal? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Austin F. Adamson System/Network Administrator BYU Bookstore austina@bookstore.byu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 14:52:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13291; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:52:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07558; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:47:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07552; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:47:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHeVZ-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbrown@delphi.umd.edu (Jeff Brown) Subject: Pine Configuration Question, ... Take 2... Date: 1 Jun 1995 18:57:03 GMT Message-Id: <3ql2hv$470@hecate.umd.edu> Status: O X-Status: I posted here about a month ago, and recived no response, I'd really like to be able to recomend pine as the mailer of choice for our faculty and staff, however there is still one problem that I need to solve. The only problem I am having is that some messages (recived by pine) are not showing the senders name from the folder. instead, they are listed as "to: USER", where USER is the recipient. Now, if someone has the enable-full-header-cmd of the feature-list configuration set up, then they can find out who sent the message. I have narrowed the problem down to old mailers, (I think) which use the "From" field in the header, but not the "From:" field. Is there any quick fix that will allow a user to see who a message was sent from without relying on trying to explain the command to our many users??? Thanks! -Jeff Brown (jbrown@physics.umd.edu) Assistant System Administrator Physics Department, University of Maryland. ps. I have also reported this as a bug, and I will forward any response I get from that to this group, for informative purposes. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 14:52:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13307; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:52:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06520; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:47:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06514; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:47:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHeWF-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Farmer Subject: pine for "interactive" unix Date: 1 Jun 1995 20:15:37 +0100 Message-Id: <802033739snz@pfarmer.demon.co.uk> Status: O X-Status: I'm wanting to run pine on one of my unix machines which is a 486 PC running sunsofts interactive unix (system V). The problem that I don't have a compiler for this machine and I'm therefore trying to track down an ftp site that I can obtain a precompiled binary file to run on this platform. I've looked on cac.washington.edu and can't find anything apart from the source code (little use without a compiler). Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can look !!! Many thanks. -- Paul Farmer From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 15:06:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13719; Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:06:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07873; Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:02:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07867; Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:02:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHekB-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) Subject: Re: Why can't I suppress headers? (second try) Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:33:04 GMT Status: O X-Status: According to Gerry Howser : >OK, here we go again. I am under a deadline to open up a PINE mail >server to some executive types. I have been madated that the only >headers that will appear on ANY email message from anywhere are DATE, TO, >FROM, and SUBJECT. I have been informed that this is the standard for >all email systems (????) and that I must comply. I have a lynix system Which mail systems? MS Mail? Many systems will offer a 'neat' view (4 or 5 headers) or a 'raw' (all) view and will allow switching between. I suspect they've seen VMSmail... I'd get some clarification. >that is running PINE 3.89 that shows only the four headers mentioned. Is >this a configuration option that I can turn on and off? Do I need to >hack the living daylights out of PINE? Pine 3.91 will show Reply-To headers by default, so this will be header number 5 for you :-( > >If you can help, I would appreciate it. I am running PINE 3.89 on a >U6000/550 from UNISYS that is a System V Release 4 machine. I am >beginning to suspect that my job rides on this one. > :-( -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 15:34:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15057; Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:34:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07377; Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:27:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07371; Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:27:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHf7a-00038CC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch Control: cancel <173AC109B1S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Subject: cmsg cancel <173AC109B1S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Message-Id: <173B01459ES86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:09:43 GMT Status: O X-Status: message was canceled from NNR, FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 16:52:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18373; Fri, 2 Jun 95 16:52:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10418; Fri, 2 Jun 95 16:47:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10412; Fri, 2 Jun 95 16:47:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHgM7-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 16:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lailert@rohan.sdsu.edu (Supak Lailert) Subject: Re: You can't answer this Date: 25 May 1995 09:15:30 GMT Message-Id: <3q1hri$do8@gondor.sdsu.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: Roberto Allen (rallen@city.ba.k12.md.us) wrote: : You can't reply to me using the Reply feature in Pine, because if you : try, the message will get sent to rallen@city.ba.k12.md.us instead of : rallen@knight.city.ba.k12.md.us. (Try it!) Does anyone know where this : information : is stored? There's nothing like that in my pine.conf file. Should there : be a line like Reply-To-Host=knight.city.ba.k12.md.us? Is there : something like that in another file? We are a new site and are running : Pine 3.91. Start PINE, press S and then C to enter configuration screen. You'll now see a lot of configurable options, use arrow key to move down until you see option "customized-hdrs=" Press A to add value to it. You should add Reply-To: rallen@knight.city.ba.k12.md.us Another way that you might prefer is to set the value in option "user-domain". You can set it to "knight.city.ba.k12.md.us" and it will be used in From: line for all your outgoing mail. Hope this help. Supak -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Supak Lailert -- MBA (IS) Program, San Diego State University >> >> lailert@rohan.sdsu.edu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 17:05:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19332; Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:05:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09335; Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:02:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09329; Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:02:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHgdJ-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rneu@rneu.loc.gov Subject: Re: signature file before the reply text.. Date: 2 Jun 1995 17:35:00 GMT Message-Id: <3qni44$1a3l@rs7.loc.gov> References: <9505310249.AA04773@civeng.unsw.OZ.AU> Status: O X-Status: In <9505310249.AA04773@civeng.unsw.OZ.AU>, u2139409@civeng.unsw.OZ.AU (Allen Yen Chung Hsu) writes: > >Help, it seems that when i reply a message and want to include my signature file, it comes before the message i received, is there a way to put the signature file at the end of the email? > > > One fairly kludgy way to do it in a particular instance is to delete the .sig, write your reply however you like, and at the end use control-R to import .signature from your home directory. I liked it so much I made up a .sig.min with two shorter sig files to put there, and I'll just delete whichever I don't want. (That saves remembering one acronym. :->) >================================================================================ > >u2139409@civeng.unsw.oz.au > > >"Sportsmanship is winning as though you were used to it, and losing as though you enjoyed it for a change" > -Anon > >================================================================================ Great quote! R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life rneu@rneu.loc.gov or (better) rrne@loc.gov I speak for me. Only. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 18:11:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20945; Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:11:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11921; Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:07:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11915; Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:07:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHhbA-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frank Stetzer Subject: Problems printing-to-attached-printers Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:12:36 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This is probably more a communications than a Pine problem ... Our users have a lot of problems printing to their attached printers. Typical symptoms are blocks of text missing in the printed message, or local system lock-up after a portion is printed. (This is Pine 3.91 running on Dec Alphas, OSF/1. Users are accessing via modem, hard-wired serial and network connections. Problems seem most severe for the modem users. A variety of communications packages are used; the problem occurs with Kermit for one.) Sometimes the problem can be traced to software vs. hardware handshaking between the user's micro and their modem, but not always. Does anyone have a grasp on this problem? Maybe the communications packages they are running? The speed or setup of their printer? ======================================================================== Frank Stetzer stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Statistical Software Coordinator P.O. Box 413 Information and Media Technologies Milwaukee, WI 53201 University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee (414)-229-4571 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 20:15:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23131; Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:15:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13444; Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:12:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13438; Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:12:01 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id XAA13296; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:12:00 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA02704; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:11:59 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA21432; Fri, 2 Jun 95 23:10:36 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:10:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: export whole folder? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > > Here's the full story: > Wow! Thanks for the explanation. > > So, that's the issue. Input from the external user community on this is > solicited. Specifically: > Why do you want to use mbox format on DOS, given that Pine has a > read/write format that it can handle much better/faster/safer? > How do you anticipate using a read/write mbox driver? > The answers to these questions affect *how* a read/write mbox driver would > be implemented, given all the tradeoffs that have to be made. > I'm going to go out on a limb here as say that most users are looking for a functional capability of viewing their INBOXes off line and operating on the INBOXes as if attached to their UNIX server. They probably don't care what format they are in. I'll bet a neat feature would be to queue up message responses (replies, forwards, bounces) off-line and have them processed upon reconnecting to the UNIX server. CIS users wanted/got this feature from a number of products, including TAPCIS. That's my .02 dollars. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 2 20:20:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23217; Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:20:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11608; Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:18:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11602; Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:18:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHjhJ-00038HC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: export whole folder? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:32:35 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Ben T. Feese wrote: > Actually the PC Pine documentation was where I originally found the > statement that Unix pine folders would only be available to PC pine in > "read only" format. I do not know why this is so, but it is *not* due to > the DOS "readonly" attribute being set. > > What I really need to know is what the difference is between the PC and > the Unix folder formats that creates this problem. There *WILL* be a read/write mbox driver on DOS in the future. The question is what form this will take. Here's the full story: The present mbox driver for DOS, bezrkdos, is a read-only driver. This is because of the nature of mbox format folders. In the mbox format, it may be necessary to rewrite a message with a "Status:" and "X-Status:" header line that is not present in the message. This, in turn means that you can not overwrite the folder in place without maintaining a separate copy of the subsequent messages. You can't just read the subsequent messages while you're updating the previous messages, because a previous message can grow and overwrite a subsequent message. To work around this problem, the UNIX mbox driver in Pine keeps all messages in memory. This is simultaneously boon and bane; it's a boon because searches are all in memory and thus *very* fast, bane because it makes some Pine memory images huge. Of course, there's no way you can do this on DOS with a 640K limit! Another way is to write to a separate copy of the file. Unfortunately, there is a requirement on many UNIX systems that the inode of the folder be preserved. So, you can't just write to a new copy and then rename the new copy to the old name. The upshot is that you would have to copy to the separate file, then copy back. A further problem with writing to a separate file is that a lot of our in-house users (the community that funds Pine development!) are at the limit of their disk quotas and do not have the free space available to permit a second temporary copy of their mail folders. What does this have to do with DOS? Well, the question becomes *why* do you want a folder in mbox format on DOS. Tenex format is used on DOS, and PC Pine handles tenex format much better than it could ever handle mbox format. There are two answers to this "why". One is that people just want to FTP their mbox format files to the PC and work with them on the PC. There's no need to worry about the UNIX inode or locking restrictions, and most PC users have plenty of disk space. This is true, and it wouldn't be too hard to make a read-write mbox driver on DOS for these guys. But on the other hand, it's even easier to use PC Pine to covert the mbox folders to tenex format on the PC, or use PC Pine to copy them from the UNIX system into tenex format using IMAP. The other one is that people who have NFS mounts from UNIX to their PC want to manipulate their UNIX folders from the PC over NFS (instead of over IMAP). This present several problems; all of the UNIX problems plus all of the DOS problems. How do we do the UNIX locks on DOS? How do we make sure the same inode is preserved? How do we avoid disk quota problems? Unfortunately, the NFS answer is the compelling reason for mbox format support in PC Pine at our site. We haven't figured out how to do this read/write while still being safe yet. We do *not* want to "just do it" and then have thousands of bug reports about crashed mail folders. We get enough of these when we're careful! ;-) So, that's the issue. Input from the external user community on this is solicited. Specifically: Why do you want to use mbox format on DOS, given that Pine has a read/write format that it can handle much better/faster/safer? How do you anticipate using a read/write mbox driver? The answers to these questions affect *how* a read/write mbox driver would be implemented, given all the tradeoffs that have to be made. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 02:20:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00611; Sat, 3 Jun 95 02:20:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17964; Sat, 3 Jun 95 02:13:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17958; Sat, 3 Jun 95 02:13:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHpDF-00038EC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 02:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Subject: How can I cofig pcpine's remoete folder? Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 03:26:45 CST Message-Id: <27960.anonymous@phrouter.phy.pku.edu.cn> Status: O X-Status: I can not use pc-pine to send email. Once I run it, it shows that 'can't open without remote folder'. I have tried many times to set up in-box path. However, it never works. Help, please. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 03:08:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01640; Sat, 3 Jun 95 03:08:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15636; Sat, 3 Jun 95 02:59:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15630; Sat, 3 Jun 95 02:59:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHptD-00038MC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 02:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Entering French Characters into Pine (Pico)???? Date: 3 Jun 1995 08:53:22 GMT Message-Id: <3qp7u3$9t3@news.ysu.edu> References: <3qkdi3$hus@gbc.gbrownc.on.ca> <3qabld$av7@gbc.gbrownc.on.ca> I was able to solve the problem of entering French characters by changing >the pico source code. There is a range of characters (including most of >the French characters) excluded from entry. I don't know why this range >was excluded so I just allowed the entry of these characters. If I recall (coming in late to this after a couple weeks off the computer), you were using a PC Alt-key numeric sequence to enter your character. The code you used was outside the range of ISO 8859-1 printable fer'n language characters, being something like Alt-135 (ISO 8859 printable, that is, non-control, characters, are in the range 160-255 decimal). So the character you were typing was not a Franch character as would be seen in the ISO 8859-1 character set, but more likely the character as appears in a DOS code page. What you really want to do is to set up an ISO 8859-1 emulation and use that to enter your characters, so they appear properly on the displays which people are likely to use. I had the same problem using Mac NCSA telnet when I failed to change the character translation from the Mac charset, where the German characters I was typing appeared in the ISO 8859-1 control character range, and I got the error from Pine, until I remembered and set ISO 8859-1 translation and then all went well. If your charset in your .pinerc is not ISO 8859-1 (that is, it is MACINTOSH or CP850 or something comparable), then your solution works, but be advised that the majority of displays capable of western European characters support ISO 8859-1, and Pine does no translation from the received charset to the display charset. -- Barry Bouwsma, Zürich, Switzerland: I Still Have No Life ___________________________http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/~pmichaud/toast/ In a blindfolded taste test, 4 of 5 newsreaders could not tell the difference between Spam and Velveeta... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 04:24:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03592; Sat, 3 Jun 95 04:24:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19622; Sat, 3 Jun 95 04:20:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19616; Sat, 3 Jun 95 04:20:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHrCb-00038LC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 04:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ZUBROVKA Subject: Downloading Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 06:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: HELP!!!!!! Alright, I converted my sent mail and saved msgs files to txt files. Now how do I download the things? I'm running a Mac if that makes a diference. Help will be appreciated. Regards, Zubrovka From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 04:44:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03896; Sat, 3 Jun 95 04:44:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16806; Sat, 3 Jun 95 04:40:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16800; Sat, 3 Jun 95 04:40:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHrRz-00038HC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 04:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tetsuo@grove.ufl.edu (Vinod Vijay Tandon) Subject: ?Possible to include addresses in mail? Date: 2 Jun 1995 06:44:23 GMT Message-Id: <3qmc07$d52@cutter.clas.ufl.edu> Status: O X-Status: Just wondering if there is any feature in Pine that would allow the user to pick and include an address in a mail message automatically. Im tired of having to write down addresses from my addressbook to include it to in a mail message to a friend who wants another friends address. (did you get that?) Anyway thanks -tetsuo ------ Vinod " If it aint broke, ill break it" Tandon tetsuo@grove.ufl.edu http://grove.ufl.edu/~tetsuo From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 06:46:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05951; Sat, 3 Jun 95 06:46:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17864; Sat, 3 Jun 95 06:42:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17858; Sat, 3 Jun 95 06:42:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHtH1-00038HC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 06:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc56056@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chris Clayton ) Subject: Re: export whole folder? Date: 3 Jun 1995 11:50:41 GMT Message-Id: <3qpiah$a93@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199506022134.AA06502@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: "Ben T. Feese" writes: [lots more snipping] >Second: regarding getting an error statement like >> [Can't connect to uxa.cso.uiuc.edu,143: Refused (10061)] >I have also gotten such an error statement from my PC pine back when I >was still trying to use it to access my mail server via a dialup >connection. Because I never could get anyone to tell me what the error >message meant (do the numbers "143" and "10061" have some significance to >the pine "insiders"???), I finally gave up and now use my PC pine only to >read pine folders that I have transferred by ftp from my dialup Unix pine >operation to my PC pine (for Windows/winsock) on my home computer. Well, gurus of the 'net, how 'bout it? Can anyone tell me what might be wrong? Is it something fixable? >You >didn't mention ftp; does that mean thatyou were somehow able to use your >home PC pine to transfer pine folders from your mail directory on the >remote unix machine? Yup, I would read mail in whatever folder on my remote Unix machine, and then "s"ave it to a folder on my local PC. It meant that I had to have it configured to recognize my INBOX, remote folder collections, AND local folder collections, but it worked rather nicely for my purposes until... (see above problem) Note: I had taken this to email, but since it ended back up here I figured I'd keep it here hoping someone might find a solution to my little problem. Chris -- -- "I am more than the sum of my email!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 07:20:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06537; Sat, 3 Jun 95 07:20:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21609; Sat, 3 Jun 95 07:17:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21603; Sat, 3 Jun 95 07:17:17 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA19963; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:17:09 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA08893; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:17:07 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA21998; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:15:44 EDT Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: cZUBROVKA Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Downloading In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, ZUBROVKA wrote: > HELP!!!!!! > Alright, I converted my sent mail and saved msgs files to txt files. Now > how do I download the things? I'm running a Mac if that makes a diference. > Help will be appreciated. > Regards, > Zubrovka > > Here are a few possibilities that assume you are connected by a communications program using terminal emulation: - If your server has kermit, execute kermit and initialize a file transfer (send ), then invoke kermit receive on your Mac (somehow). - If your server has zmodem, type sz , and your Mac should automatically receive the file (using Zterm, for example) - Open a log filel on your Mac and cat the file on the Unix system with cat . Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 07:25:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06623; Sat, 3 Jun 95 07:25:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18266; Sat, 3 Jun 95 07:21:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18260; Sat, 3 Jun 95 07:21:58 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA19999; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:21:55 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA11889; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:21:54 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA22019; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:20:31 EDT Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:20:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: Vinod Vijay Tandon Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ?Possible to include addresses in mail? In-Reply-To: <3qmc07$d52@cutter.clas.ufl.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 2 Jun 1995, Vinod Vijay Tandon wrote: > > Just wondering if there is any feature in Pine that would allow > the user to pick and include an address in a mail message automatically. > Im tired of having to write down addresses from my addressbook to include > it to in a mail message to a friend who wants another friends address. > (did you get that?) I think so. I don't know of a direct way, but I've done this: position on cc: go to address book (^T) select the address you want delete it (^K) from the cc: line move to your message restore the line (^U) with the address I've also used that approach to pull an address from a message I was forwarding or replying to to add the address in the header. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 08:39:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07925; Sat, 3 Jun 95 08:39:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22603; Sat, 3 Jun 95 08:35:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22597; Sat, 3 Jun 95 08:35:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHv9q-00038HC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 08:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Automatic filing of messages Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:15:34 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jun 1995 andrew@rs.ucc.okstate.edu wrote: > If I want to file all messages from soandso@thus.and.so.net to some folder > (and have it done automatically), what do I need to do? You need to use mail filtering software to redirect mail into folders *before* Pine gets hold of it. Pine by itself cannot do what you want, but mail filters can (I use one). This is a frequent question on this group, so rather than repeat, email me if you are using Unix and I'll point you. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 10:00:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09694; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:00:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19767; Sat, 3 Jun 95 09:56:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19760; Sat, 3 Jun 95 09:56:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHwQD-00038HC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 09:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ben T. Feese" Subject: Re: export whole folder? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Thanks, Don Actually the PC Pine documentation was where I originally found the statement that Unix pine folders would only be available to PC pine in "read only" format. I do not know why this is so, but it is *not* due to the DOS "readonly" attribute being set. What I really need to know is what the difference is between the PC and the Unix folder formats that creates this problem. On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Don Sugarman wrote: : Ben, : Your read-only attribute on the file when it gets to your PC *could* be : based on the ftp settings - e.g., 255.255.254.000 or whatever. (I don't : have enough experience to tell you what to do, but I have experienced the : problem, myself.) : If you can't get ftp to put it onto your PC in read/write mode, can't you : just give it write permissions with the DOS ATTRIB command? (I use : Qfiler for file management, so I'm not exactly sure about the DOS command : syntax.) : : Anyway, just some ideas to try. : Good luck, : Don Sugarman : sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 10:24:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10179; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:24:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23976; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:21:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23970; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:21:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHwoj-00038HC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Chajecki Subject: Re: PC Pine/Novell Date: 25 May 1995 10:37:21 GMT Message-Id: <3q1ml1$m6u@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Pete, pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) wrote: >In trying to read INBOX, pc-pine/novell reports: > > [Can't connect to tecoma.mccc.edu, 143: refused(61)] > >What does this mean?? I have had a similar problem trying to set Pine for Windows up with access to our mail server. It turned out that our mail server was not running an imap or sntp server (imapd). PC pine uses the imap protocol and sntp and therefore requires the remote machine that you are trying to access supports both of these. John Chajecki Network Technician School of the Built Environment De Montfort University jac@dmu.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 10:34:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10392; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:34:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24097; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:31:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24091; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:31:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHx00-00038RC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pyw100@curtiss.cac.psu.edu (Patrick Y. Wang) Subject: Jump to end of file? Date: 3 Jun 1995 02:32:59 GMT Message-Id: <3qohkr$jq8@hearst.cac.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: I like pico, but is there a way to jump to the end of file and top of file really quickly? --- "Classical is to live for, metal is to live by." - E.Lee, 2 July 1995 --- Patrick Wang http://cac.psu.edu/~pyw100 State College, Pennsylvania Sysop of The Electronic Forest PatrickWang@psu.edu The Bell Atlantic Technology Grant From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 10:36:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10434; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:36:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20109; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:31:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20103; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:31:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHwzD-00038MC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pyw100@curtiss.cac.psu.edu (Patrick Y. Wang) Subject: os/2 version? Date: 3 Jun 1995 02:31:10 GMT Message-Id: <3qohhe$jq8@hearst.cac.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Yeehaw, there isn't an OS/2 port of pico lying around, is there? --- "Classical is to live for, metal is to live by." - E.Lee, 2 July 1995 --- Patrick Wang http://cac.psu.edu/~pyw100 State College, Pennsylvania Sysop of The Electronic Forest PatrickWang@psu.edu The Bell Atlantic Technology Grant From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 11:00:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10900; Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:00:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20377; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:56:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20371; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:56:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sHxO9-00038HC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rklassen@access.mbnet.mb.ca (Richard P. Klassen) Subject: I need a diffenent usenet server - EMERGENCY Date: 3 Jun 1995 17:03:19 GMT Message-Id: <3qq4kn$nbv@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Status: O X-Status: Right now my usenet site is the local university I log into. I need to be able to log into another universitys usenet site. Could someone be kind enough to give me the configuration to do this and another usenet location. I know it's probably a dumb question but i need help!! Thanks in advance Rick From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 12:57:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12939; Sat, 3 Jun 95 12:57:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21483; Sat, 3 Jun 95 12:53:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21477; Sat, 3 Jun 95 12:53:13 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA24218; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:52:40 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA21973; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:52:39 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA23137; Sat, 3 Jun 95 15:51:14 EDT Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: "Patrick Y. Wang" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Jump to end of file? In-Reply-To: <3qohkr$jq8@hearst.cac.psu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 3 Jun 1995, Patrick Y. Wang wrote: > I like pico, but is there a way to jump to the end of file and top of file > really quickly? > Ctrl-Wv 'search' to bottom Ctrl-Ey 'search' to top In fact, once your enter ctrl-W, the message bar at the bottom will change to show Y for first line and V for last line. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 14:01:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14093; Sat, 3 Jun 95 14:01:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26619; Sat, 3 Jun 95 13:57:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26613; Sat, 3 Jun 95 13:57:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI0CN-00038LC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 13:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ayrg60@nextvm2.corp.mot.com (Paul Ross) Subject: inbox readonly problem Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:20:47 GMT Status: O X-Status: Yesterday morning my inbox started being accessed as readonly???? why?? I am running pine 3.90 under Linux. Mailx works fine just not pine. HEEEELLLLPPPP!!!! -- Paul Ross ayrg60@nextvm2.corp.mot.com 602-441-2914 Have a nice day * * (Warning: This offer expires at midnight,some restrications and limitations may exist, not valid in all 50 states,void where prohibited by law, and is non-transferable) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 17:00:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17264; Sat, 3 Jun 95 17:00:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23933; Sat, 3 Jun 95 16:53:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23927; Sat, 3 Jun 95 16:53:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI2vy-00038MC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 16:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ben T. Feese" Subject: Re: export whole folder? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: <199506022134.AA06502@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199506022134.AA06502@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Chris Clayton wrote: > [snip snip snip snip snip snip] > I used a setup just like you...reading my mail at home and storing most > of it by Saving it from the Unix folder to my PC folder. It worked great, > until one day my server started refusing my PC-Pine's attempt to connect to > it. I get the message: > > [Can't connect to uxa.cso.uiuc.edu,143: Refused (10061)] > > I don't suppose you've ever seen anything like this before, have you? > I'd really like to get PC-Pine back up and running, but I've posted this > problem twice to the newsgroup without getting so much as a GUESS from anyone. > It's like no one even read my article! > > Well, if neither you nor anyone within earshot knows what this could > be, that's okay. I just thought I'd mention it... > > Thanks, and you're welcome. > Chris > > Chris: First: thanks re. the aggregate command enable option in the setup/config menu -- I "remembered" spotting it in the Unix pine option list just after my posting. Second: regarding getting an error statement like > [Can't connect to uxa.cso.uiuc.edu,143: Refused (10061)] I have also gotten such an error statement from my PC pine back when I was still trying to use it to access my mail server via a dialup connection. Because I never could get anyone to tell me what the error message meant (do the numbers "143" and "10061" have some significance to the pine "insiders"???), I finally gave up and now use my PC pine only to read pine folders that I have transferred by ftp from my dialup Unix pine operation to my PC pine (for Windows/winsock) on my home computer. You didn't mention ftp; does that mean thatyou were somehow able to use your home PC pine to transfer pine folders from your mail directory on the remote unix machine? Frankly, if it weren't for keeping my home phone lines tied up, I would much prefer using the dialup Unix pine setup --it is MUCH faster than the PC pine, and I love the way it blends mail and newsgroup browsing almost seamlessly. But I risk losing a perfectly wonderful wife if I don't relinquish these phone lines more frequently! Any suggestions from all the pine priests and priestesses out there? Ben ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) http://www.centre.edu Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 20:05:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20229; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:05:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01005; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:01:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00999; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:01:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI5u4-00038LC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 19:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Jump to end of file? Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:01:23 -0400 Message-Id: References: <3qohkr$jq8@hearst.cac.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3qohkr$jq8@hearst.cac.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 3 Jun 1995, Patrick Y. Wang wrote: > I like pico, but is there a way to jump to the end of file and top of file > really quickly? Yes. In Pico (or in Pine when composing/editing), first press ^W for the Whereis command; then press ^Y to go to the top or ^V to go to the bottom. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 20:46:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20986; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:46:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26015; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:41:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26009; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:41:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI6We-00038QC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Setting MY SMTP SERVER TO Work with PC-PINE? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:59:33 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, H. Marc Kneppers wrote: > When I try to send mail I get an error "SMTP connection went away". > The system logs show that there was a connection, and it even creates a > directory in the /var/spool/smtpq area for the incoming connection but NO > DATA is transferred!! Here is something to try out. Connect to your SMTP server via TELNET, and give it an RSET command. If the connection closes, that is probably the problem. Also check the EHLO command, and make sure that your SMTP server doesn't close the connection on that. Recently, I have been made aware of the existance of broken SMTP servers which think that a "reset" (get to initial state, no message in progress) means "cancel the connection". There are also a few that think that the right way to indicate "unknown command" is to close the connection. Your best bet is to beat up whomever provided you with that broken SMTP server, and/or replace it with one that correctly implements RFC-821 (such as sendmail). The reason why Pine's SMTP client issues a RSET command is that it is capable of sending more than one message in a single SMTP session. This will be an important facility for offline operation, where you may have several messages composed offline and then want them to be delivered. RSET ensures that no remnants of the previous transaction affect this one. Your corporate president would be very upset if his message to his CFO discussing possible layoffs got distributed to the rank-and-file by accident. Or your girlfriend might be upset that her steamy letter to you got posted on the net.... There is no good way to patch this out without editing the sources and rebuilding, and even if you do you'll get hosed in the future when offline batching comes into being. It's better, if at all possible, to get your SMTP server fixed. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 21:07:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21388; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:07:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01714; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:02:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01708; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:02:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI6on-00038LC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Bad message-ids (was PINE, please don't generate headers) Date: 4 Jun 1995 03:34:32 GMT Message-Id: <3qr9k8$hpi@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qieue$lbh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qleqh$spn@tools.near.net> Status: O X-Status: I've found the discussion of Message-Id headers kind of interesting, because on all of our hosts running SunOS, AIX, ConvexOS, and HP-UX, the pice that Pine writes to the right of the @ is the fully-qualified domain name. I should mention that on these hosts, hostname(1) also produces a FQDN. However, on our Solaris hosts, Pine only places the machine name on the right side of the @, not a FQDN. Solaris's hostname(1) also returnns just the machine name. I am told that if we were to run NIS on the Solaris machines, the problem would fix itself (and have verified that that is the case) but that isn't an option. Is there a fix to this problem, besides running NIS or NIS+? We don't run NIS and likely never will (NIS just doesn't scale when you get into thirty thousand or more users) and I worry that we are producing Message-IDs on our Solaris machines that have the potential for being non-unique. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 21:18:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21611; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:18:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26300; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:13:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26292; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:13:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI6wC-00038LC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sgreen@esu9.esu9.k12.ne.us (Stan Greenfield) Subject: USAFA access Date: 4 Jun 1995 01:47:57 GMT Message-Id: <3qr3cd$qb9@news.nde.state.ne.us> Status: O X-Status: I am a future cadet at the United States Air Force Academy and would appreciate some help with establishing correspondence with Academy cadets. I am trying to do this so I can communicate with my parents next year while I'm at the Academy. I keep getting 'unknown host' and/or 'connection refused'. If anyone has any input, it would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance!!! Sam From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 21:56:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22302; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:56:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02307; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:52:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02301; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:52:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI7bN-00038LC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: karlsson@cloud9.net (Lukas Karlsson) Subject: Re: signature file before the reply text.. Date: 3 Jun 1995 17:43:11 GMT Message-Id: <3qq6vf$pta@news.cloud9.net> References: <9505310249.AA04773@civeng.unsw.OZ.AU> Status: O X-Status: Allen Yen Chung Hsu (u2139409@civeng.unsw.OZ.AU) wrote: > Help, it seems that when i reply a message and want to include my > signature file, it comes before the message i received, is there a way > to put the signature file at the end of the email? sure, just set the feature 'signature-at-bottom' in the pine configuration menu. one thig to remember though... this is put the signature at the bottom of messages when you 'reply' to them. when you 'forward' something to someone, the forwarded message will always go after the signature. - lukas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lukas Karlsson karlsson@cloud9.net Cloud 9 Internet White Plains, New York From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 22:51:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23480; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:51:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27230; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:46:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27221; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:46:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI8TE-00038LC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Problem: Can't Write to Folders Date: 4 Jun 1995 03:44:24 GMT Message-Id: <3qra6o$hp4@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <1995Jun2.113538.23949@arl.mil> Status: O X-Status: In article <1995Jun2.113538.23949@arl.mil>, Morris Berman wrote: >I just returned from 2 weeks of vacation to find my Pine working >improperly. Somehow my "sent-mail" folder got marked as read-only and I >can't write anything to it. It gives a "[Can't open append folder: >Permission denied]" error when it tries to write it as the FCC folder and >also "[Can't open append folder: Permission denied]" error when I try to >copy a message into it. [Morris, your email address is degenerate and cannot be replied to. You should have your system administrator check into the reasons why, because it is considered bad netiquette to post without a replyable email address.] It strongly sounds as if all your files have changed ownership while you were away. You should have your system administrator check to be sure that the ownership hasn't changed. Why would this happen? Well, there are some buggy filesystems out there I've seen where ownership can change for no good reason. More likely, however, is an error on the part of your system administrator. When we make ownership mistakes, it's something we're likely to never notice until the user complains, since we almost always do such work as the superuser, who can touch files regardless of permission and ownership. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 22:57:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23572; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:57:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03065; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:52:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03059; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:52:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI8VB-00038OC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasperc@access2.digex.net (Jasper Corrigan) Subject: Re: How can I get a "successful delivered" mail after sending? Date: 3 Jun 1995 03:09:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3qp1s5$het@access2.digex.net> References: <3phlqn$mfn@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Status: O X-Status: Now, to add a wrinkle, how about getting notification of a piece of mail being *read*? Can it be done in pine? Cheers, -- Jasper Corrigan, resident net philosopher jasperc@access.digex.net ============================================================================= "Never send a Monster to do the work of an Evil Scientist." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 23:42:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24404; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:42:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27699; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:36:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27693; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:36:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI9Fb-00038MC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andrew Douglas Inman Subject: WANTED: Kerberized POP that works w/ cclient stuff Date: 25 May 1995 04:26:25 GMT Message-Id: <3q10th$c8j@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Status: O X-Status: Has anyone out there found/written a Kerberized Pop server that works w/ the cclient libs and such that come w/ pine's imapd. The distribution comes w/ ipopd and I'm basically looking for a kerberized version. Any help would be appreciated. -- Andrew (ainman@umich.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jun 3 23:49:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24602; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:49:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03713; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:46:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03707; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:46:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI9R2-00038MC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kbilton@nyx10.cs.du.edu (kathy bilton) Subject: Sudden Margin Change Date: 3 Jun 1995 12:27:27 -0600 Message-Id: <3qq9if$g7q@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Status: O X-Status: The following message was written using Pine 3.89. In the midst of its being written, suddenly the right-hand margin became very wide. The same user has had the same problem in the past. Is there some key that she has hit inadvertently that would be causing this to happen? Or is there some other explanation? (The next time she logs in and sends mail - the margin returns to its normal width.) ........................................................................ The Conners arrived about midnight. The trip was uneventful. George delivered the boat to its new home in Alexandria. George went sailing with Scot this a.m. while Charlotte stayed at 360l. Mj went to her luncheon at the Genji restaurant in Falls Church. {This machine is doing that same thing again.} Now they are all ........................................................................ The message continued with this wide margin on the right side. --Kathy Bilton Kathy Bilton kathy@fred.net http://www.fred.net/kathy/ ......O`-o....... Appalachian Trail Home Page -- Kathy Bilton kbilton@nyx.cs.du.edu http://www.fred.net/kathy/ ........O`-o....................... Appalachian Trail Home Page: http://www.fred.net/kathy/at.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 00:02:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24838; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:02:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03838; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:58:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03832; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:58:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI9Zy-00038RC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pucho@netcom.com (Marcos Rubinstein) Subject: Re: Spanish Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 03:47:41 GMT Status: O X-Status: Abraham Gutman (gutmana@jupiter.sbf.com) decia: : Has anyone out there taken the source code for Pine and translated the : command labels into spanish? : Thanks, : Abraham looks like a nice project.... let me know if we can form a group to do it. Marcos Rubinstein Pucho@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 00:02:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24861; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:02:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27895; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:58:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27887; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:58:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI9Zg-00038MC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pucho@netcom.com (Marcos Rubinstein) Subject: Re: reading mail in PC, possible? Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 03:44:33 GMT Status: O X-Status: In the simtel archives there is a program called "readmail" that will allow you to read *and* manipulate pine folders without needing to convert them to pc ascii. It is not an offline mailer... reads mail but can not "send" mail. What I do, when can't have direct connection with my host... is to download (from a friend's machine) all my inbox... then read it and manipulate it with readmail, and if I need to write... I do use "pico" for pc... compose the mail... and then I upload and when in pine (unix) use the ^R (read file)... Clunky but effective. Waiting for the day that pine *is* an offline mailer :) Pucho From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 00:28:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25556; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:28:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28165; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:23:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28159; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:23:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sI9vr-00038LC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@grape.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Problems printing-to-attached-printers Date: 4 Jun 1995 05:02:09 GMT Message-Id: <3qreoh$bdf@grape.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Frank Stetzer (stetzer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) wrote: : This is probably more a communications than a Pine problem ... : Our users have a lot of problems printing to their attached : printers. Typical symptoms are blocks of text missing in : the printed message, or local system lock-up after a portion is : printed. : (This is Pine 3.91 running on Dec Alphas, OSF/1. Users : are accessing via modem, hard-wired serial and network : connections. Problems seem most severe for the modem : users. A variety of communications packages are used; : the problem occurs with Kermit for one.) : Sometimes the problem can be traced to software vs. hardware : handshaking between the user's micro and their modem, but not : always. : Does anyone have a grasp on this problem? Maybe the communications : packages they are running? The speed or setup of their printer? I'm not sure I have a grasp on the problem, nor the 'proper' way to fix it, but if I slow my modem down from its normal 19600 0r 14400 to 2400 or even 1200, the pine Y prYnt command works, otherwise is skips blocks as noted above. I'm sure there's a better way, and I've asked the same question myself several times, but the answer I get is 'it's a communications or handshake problem' but no solution, so my workaround to temporarily slow down the modem, may not be pretty, but it works. BYE. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 00:39:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25900; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:39:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04327; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:33:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04321; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:33:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIA6Q-00038LC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jim Jaworski Subject: Adding CTRL-C to Q (exit) choices Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 02:02:46 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I use pine for most of my Usenet newsgroups but on occasion use another Unix system for some of them using the tin newsreader. I am used to pressing q to back up to the previous menu (article selection/group selection). Sometimes my hand forgets that I am using pine and I press q instead of i to go back to the articl selection menu. I am given a choice of 'saving mail in MAILBOX' (a local feature) or not. If I choose n for no I still get booted out of pine. What should happen is that there should be a CRTL-C option there compliant with the other pine menus to abort the quit. It's VERY frustrating when this happens, to have to re-enter pine, then go to the Usenet News folder, especially with newsgroups of considerable size (i.e. >100 new messages). What can be done about this? Is it a small feature to add whereby the local News admin. could just recompile their version of pine or would that be the responsibility of the authors of pine itself? Winnipeg MB Canada soo696@freenet.mb.ca TEAM OS/2 MIME OK Proud to be a non-hyphenated Polish Canadian! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 00:51:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26223; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:51:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28415; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:46:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28409; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:46:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIAJ2-00038LC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: remote mail server Date: 4 Jun 1995 04:33:54 GMT Message-Id: <3qrd3i$k66@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3qidis$6sm@news.laser.net> Status: O X-Status: In article <3qidis$6sm@news.laser.net>, wrote: >I currently have 7 BSDI boxes. Is it possible to forward all mail to a new >(8th) machine >and have all my users get mail from that machine without logging into it? Yep. Not that hard. >I am using Pine 3.91 and BSDI v2.0 Good. That gives you two options, assumng you don't have users who are using other MUAs than Pine. >I want to avoid the following: > 1. users logging into the mail server. No problem. Are all your users using Pine? Then your easiest and best course by far is to run IMAP. What you do is your set your sendmail.cfs on all seven user machines so that they accept mail from anywhere and just send it on to the eighth machine. This is easy if you're handy with sendmail.cf files, but I'm not going to tell you how to do it because it would increase the length of this message by about 300%. Get O'Reilly's _Sendmail_ by Costales, Allman and Rickert if you need to learn how. The eighth machine needs to accept mail from any of the other machines as mail for local delivery. This, too, is a simple sendmail.cf hack. Make sure that usernames on the seven machines are all the same for the same people, and then put an /etc/passwd on the eighth machine containing all those mail users' usernames. Periodically grab their /etc/passwd and/or /etc/shadow entries so that the users' passwords are the same both on their login machine(s) and the mail server. Or, if you're running NIS, make the mail server part of your NIS domain with the proper privileges to be able to read the password map. Here's where the two options come in. If you're not running Pine exclusively, you'll need to export /var/spool/mail on the mail server to the other seven machines via NFS, and hard mount them on all the other machines' /var/spool/mail directories. Don't allow interrupts, and don't soft mount; if you do, you're asking for mailbox corruption. You didn't say whether the same user base exists on each of the seven login hosts. If you're not using NIS, make sure that the UID number for a given user is the same on all eight hosts; otherwise mailbox ownership over NFS will be corrupt. Even with non-interruptable hard mounts, NFS mounting of /var/spool/mail is still a dangerous thing. That's why, if you are exclusively using Pine, IMAP is a better option. Compile and install imapd on the mail server; make the necessary entries in /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf. Place a link to the location in which you have installed imapd to /etc/rimapd. Then in the /etc/hosts.equiv file on the mail server, list all the other seven hosts. This is a possible security hole; make sure that you are comfortable with the security of the physical network on which the eight machines reside and with the security of the other seven hosts before you do this. Now, create a pine.conf.fixed file on each of the seven login hosts with the entry: inbox-path={mail.server.name}INBOX where you substitute the name of the mail server for mail.server.name above. Now, if everything worked correctly, your users will start Pine, read their email, and never realize that anything has changed (assuming you migrated your users' mailboxes to the mail server machine when you did all this). > 2. entering users into the new machine Do you mean without adding your users to the /etc/passwd of the mail server? Sorry; you'll have to do that. I can think of one or two ways to do it using obscure sendmail delivery options so that you don't have to have all users in /etc/passwd, but it isn't at all worth it, because sendmail's security is largely based on the sanctity of users and usernames. If you didn't, for instance, add to the mail server, how would sendmail know whether to accept or reject mail addressed to ? You see now why you must add all users to a machine in order to allow them to receive mail there. Of course, if you're using NIS, this can become easier (it sounds like you may have a small enough installation to where NIS wouldn't be a bad thing necessarily). > 3. letting the users know the machine is there. Again, I'm not sure what you mean with this. If you mean, "without making the users change things in their setups", then you've done that with the pine.conf.fixed file change above; they won't have to do anything. If, on the other hand, your intent is to not let them see the machine on the network--I think you're out of luck. That's not very important though, IMHO; usually users ignore machines that they don't know the purpose of, unless they have cracking in mind. If you want to *keep* users from being able to log into the mail server even if they try, you'll need to set their shell on the eighth machine to be something that doesn't allow login but that will allow /etc/rimapd to be run. You can write one yourself, but the Pine development group have a good one called imapsh, which I believe is on their FTP server at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu. If it isn't, it should be. :) I can send it to you if you don't find it. Add it to /etc/shells, or users won't be able to run rsh on the machine, which is the point in the fake shell in the first place. :) Hope all this helps. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 01:14:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26899; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:14:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28714; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:09:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28708; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:09:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIAgF-00038MC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fkwong@ainet.com (Frank K. Wong) Subject: How to Create New Header in PINE? Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:47:37 GMT Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to create a new header in PINE? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 01:14:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26913; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:14:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04885; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:09:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04879; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:09:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIAft-00038LC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pucho@netcom.com (Marcos Rubinstein) Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To: A word of caution Message-Id: References: <3ptr88$sh2@news.primenet.com> <3pua4q$qp6@clarknet.clark.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 07:39:47 GMT Status: O X-Status: that's why when you ad the header Return-receipt: you leave it blank... and put your email address only when you want one. Pucho From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 01:28:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27141; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:28:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05083; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:24:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05077; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:24:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIAtt-00038LC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 01:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Username Date: 4 Jun 1995 05:03:41 GMT Message-Id: <3qrerd$1dpf@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3qlbg6$mt4@mark.ucdavis.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3qlbg6$mt4@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Thomas Olsen wrote: >On the machine where I read and respond to email, my username is simply >olsen. However, most of my mail is routed through a machine where I'm >known as tholsen. [...] When I try to reply [to mail addressed to >tholsen], Pine asks if I want to reply to everyone which means >user@host.domain.net and tholsen@ucdavis.edu. My question is how to I get >Pine to recognize that I am tholsen@ucdavis.edu? The answer with version 3.91 is that you don't. Yes, it's annoying, as I receive lots of email addressed to Trey@unc.edu, my shortest and easiest to remember address, but I read it at harris@email.unc.edu. I have to delete trey@unc.edu from headers a lot. I'm told that 3.92 will have an ability to do this. (I hope it will have some sort of wildcarding or other method to deal with multiple hosts in the same domain. Elm had a feature like you want without the wildcarding, which made it next to useless for me.) -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 02:23:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28473; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:23:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29357; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:17:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29351; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:17:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIBkr-00038LC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ilya@espero.null.com (Ilya Ketris) Subject: Leaving 8th bit alone? Date: 3 Jun 1995 21:20:49 GMT Message-Id: <3qqjni$f34@recepsen.aa.msen.com> Status: O X-Status: Hi, I wonder if there is a way to prevent PINE from encoding characters [128-255] into base64 or "quoted printable". I just want to leave them as they appear. Thank you for your help. -- | Ilya Ketris | mailto:ilya@riga.lv | http://www.lvnet.lv | flames:/dev/null | G d- H-- s-: !g a- v+>-- U+++$ P++@ L+++ E-- W++(--) V--$ Y-- R+ f--- y?$ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 02:44:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28861; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:44:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05993; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:39:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05987; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:39:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIC5Z-00038LC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: karlsson@cloud9.net (Lukas Karlsson) Subject: Re: Adding CTRL-C to Q (exit) choices Date: 4 Jun 1995 08:40:40 GMT Message-Id: <3qrri8$s0v@news.cloud9.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Jim Jaworski (soo696@freenet.mb.ca) wrote: > I use pine for most of my Usenet newsgroups but on occasion use > another Unix system for some of them using the tin newsreader. > I am used to pressing q to back up to the previous menu (article > selection/group selection). Sometimes my hand forgets that I am using > pine and I press q instead of i to go back to the articl selection menu. > I am given a choice of 'saving mail in MAILBOX' (a local feature) or > not. If I choose n for no I still get booted out of pine. What should > happen is that there should be a CRTL-C option there compliant with the > other pine menus to abort the quit. > It's VERY frustrating when this happens, to have to re-enter > pine, then go to the Usenet News folder, especially with newsgroups of > considerable size (i.e. >100 new messages). > What can be done about this? Is it a small feature to add > whereby the local News admin. could just recompile their version of pine > or would that be the responsibility of the authors of pine itself? actually, this would not make as much sense as it sounds (although i have been in the very same situation many times). if the option "quit-without-confirm" is set, then pine just quits when you type q. assuming that is already set, when you type q, pine knows it will be quitting. when it has a question for you, like should i move all the read messages into the default folder, it just wants to know tha answer to that question, and then it will go back to what it was doing. quitting. to get the type of functionality that you want, get rid of the "quit-without-confirm" option. this will then ask you everytime you try and quit, if you really want to quit. annoying, but sometimes, it is quite worth it. - lukas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lukas Karlsson karlsson@cloud9.net Cloud 9 Internet White Plains, New York From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 02:46:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28909; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:46:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29575; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:42:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29569; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:42:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIC6o-00038OC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 02:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: karlsson@cloud9.net (Lukas Karlsson) Subject: Re: inbox readonly problem Date: 3 Jun 1995 17:47:06 GMT Message-Id: <3qq76q$ptb@news.cloud9.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Paul Ross (ayrg60@nextvm2.corp.mot.com) wrote: > Yesterday morning my inbox started being accessed as readonly???? why?? > I am running pine 3.90 under Linux. Mailx works fine just not pine. > HEEEELLLLPPPP!!!! that tends to happen when you already have a pine session running, and you suspend it, and then try to start another one. the first session had control over the file, and then the second one tries to grab it unsuccessfully, and then neither session has the write access to it. to fix it, make sure that you have no other pine processes running when you start a new one. - lukas p.s. - i fixed this problem at my site by making 'pine' a shell script that checks to see if you are running pine already, it you are, it tells you, if you are not, it runs 'pine.real'. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lukas Karlsson karlsson@cloud9.net Cloud 9 Internet White Plains, New York From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 03:37:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00159; Sun, 4 Jun 95 03:37:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06565; Sun, 4 Jun 95 03:32:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06559; Sun, 4 Jun 95 03:32:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sICv6-00038QC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 03:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: phl@cyways.com (Peter H. Lemieux) Subject: Why is my name in quotes? Date: 23 May 1995 02:21:48 GMT Message-Id: <3prgrt$8i5@sundog.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: Whenever I use Pine, my name appears in quotation marks as "Peter H. Lemieux." I've tried setting the personal-name field and leaving it blank and get the same result. My entry in /etc/passwd doesn't have quotes either. Other people in my firm don't get this. Anybody know why? Thanks! Peter ----- Peter H. Lemieux, President cyways, inc. Voice: (800) 5-cyways 203 Arlington Street Foreign: +1 (617) 924-7991 Watertown, Massachusetts 02172-2036 USA Fax: +1 (617) 926-8440 Your source for total Internet solutions (tm) Home: http://www.cyways.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 05:51:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03080; Sun, 4 Jun 95 05:51:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08299; Sun, 4 Jun 95 05:46:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08293; Sun, 4 Jun 95 05:46:27 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id IAA02989; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:46:13 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA25739; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:46:11 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA23986; Sun, 4 Jun 95 08:44:48 EDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:44:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: "Peter H. Lemieux" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why is my name in quotes? In-Reply-To: <3prgrt$8i5@sundog.tiac.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 23 May 1995, Peter H. Lemieux wrote: > Whenever I use Pine, my name appears in quotation marks as "Peter H. > Lemieux." I've tried setting the personal-name field and leaving it > blank and get the same result. My entry in /etc/passwd doesn't have quotes > either. Other people in my firm don't get this. Anybody know why? > You have a period in your name, which is used by address parsers to delimit adress components. To avoid confusion, your name is quoted, so the periods will not be read as part of the address. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 06:59:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03982; Sun, 4 Jun 95 06:59:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02004; Sun, 4 Jun 95 06:54:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from perseus.peganet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01998; Sun, 4 Jun 95 06:54:03 -0700 Received: from peg1-ts1.peganet.com (peg1-ts1.peganet.com [204.77.74.201]) by perseus.peganet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA25896; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 09:53:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 09:54:28 -0900 (PDT) From: "Ruben D. Salazar" To: Marcos Rubinstein Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Spanish X-Sender: Rsalazar@mail.peganet.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: Marcos, I'd like to help translating. Dejame saber. Ruben Dario 1=BE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 07:28:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04355; Sun, 4 Jun 95 07:28:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09377; Sun, 4 Jun 95 07:24:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09371; Sun, 4 Jun 95 07:24:22 -0700 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA14694; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 07:23:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 07:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcos Rubinstein X-Sender: pucho@netcom21 To: "Ruben D. Salazar" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Spanish In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Precedence: first-class Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, Ruben D. Salazar wrote: > Marcos, I'd like to help translating. Dejame saber. Ruben Dario >=20 >=20 > 1=BE >=20 OK... !!! Ya somos 2 :) let's see... quien mas? Marcos Rubinstein Pucho@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 07:41:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04566; Sun, 4 Jun 95 07:41:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02374; Sun, 4 Jun 95 07:38:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rocoto.aug.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02368; Sun, 4 Jun 95 07:37:58 -0700 Received: (from plardner@localhost) by rocoto.aug.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA04957; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:38:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:38:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Lardner To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: BitCom and Pine (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This is a repost of a msg sent two weeks ago to which there was no response. *************************************** Have any BitCom users experienced the "Expected Variable or Constant" message when attempting to move through a document line by line using the down arrow? The same phenomenon occurs when using Joe as the editor. Any ideas on how to fix this? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 10:02:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07081; Sun, 4 Jun 95 10:02:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11148; Sun, 4 Jun 95 09:58:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11142; Sun, 4 Jun 95 09:58:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIIuL-00038QC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 09:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: prin@browning.csranet.com (prin) Subject: [Need IMAP Help, Please!] Date: 4 Jun 1995 15:40:38 GMT Message-Id: <3qsk5m$3kl@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Status: O X-Status: I have a Linux box running imapd connected to the internet via slip. Attached via ethernet, I have a win95 box running PC Pine. I have checked my imap daemon and it is IMAP2bis Service 7.8. I have checked my services file and have IMAP enabled on port 143. All connections to this port is refused even with the daemon running. I cannot telnet to the port and the win95 box always gets refused connection. Is there something else I need to configure on the Linux server? I am not yet even trying to get out over the internet, just get my server to service my PCPine on win95 box. I have checked the sendmail and it is ready but is running ESMTP. I don't think this is the problem since I haven't yet conneced using IMAP. -- ********************************************** * Charles Browning * Augusta, GA * * 706.855.9999 * * prin@browning.csranet.com * ********************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 11:27:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08576; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:27:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12077; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:16:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12071; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:16:11 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA05619; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 14:14:53 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA23117; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 14:14:47 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA24510; Sun, 4 Jun 95 14:13:23 EDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 14:13:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: Peter Lardner Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BitCom and Pine (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I don't have the BitCom documentation, but I do know that if you logged in as a VT100, Pine and others are expecting OA for up, OB for down, OC right, and OD left. If that isn't what BitCom is sending, then your results could be bizare. To see what BitCom is sending, open a test file with vi (vi test.txt), then enter insert mode (i), type v followed by the up arrow. This will cause the literal value of the up arrow to be displayed. OA would be displayed as ^[OA. It this isn't what you get, check your BitCom manual to see if you can reprogram your arrow keys. Good luck. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.spf.ge.com P.S., you might also want to consider a more robust communications package. ;-) On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, Peter Lardner wrote: > > This is a repost of a msg sent two weeks ago to which there was no response. > > *************************************** > > Have any BitCom users experienced the "Expected Variable or Constant" > message when attempting to move through a document line by line using the > down arrow? The same phenomenon occurs when using Joe as the editor. > > Any ideas on how to fix this? > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 11:52:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08981; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:52:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04587; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:45:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04581; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:45:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIKbj-00038QC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ADobkin@Emory.Edu (Alan S. Dobkin) Subject: Re: Q: Pine 3.91 for Mac..does it exist? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 13:09:48 -0400 Message-Id: References: <1995May8.174149.12958@ludens> Status: O X-Status: In article , simone@crash.cts.com (Simone Shoemaker) wrote: > David Weinrich (dweinr1@gl.umbc.edu) wrote: > : In article <1995May8.174149.12958@ludens>, lovas@ludens.elte.hu (Gyorgy A. > : Lovas) wrote: > > : >Dear Netters, > : > > : >I wander if Pine 3.91 has been ported to Mac platform at all. If so, I'd > : >like to know if it is available for download and from which archive. > : >Sorry if it is a FAQ, but I was unable to find any pointer. > : > > : >Any help or pointer is greatly appreciated. > : >Thanks in advance > : > George > : > > : >PS: This is my second trial; I hope this time someone responds > > > I am using Pine 3.91 on my mac right now. So it definitely exists. But I > don't know anything about software, so don't ask me whether it's good. I > assume it's good, because I got it from a computer programmer who uses it > on his Mac - with all the bangs and whistles. > > Simone PINE has not been ported to the Macintosh, and it probably never will be. You may be using PINE in a terminal (Telnet) window from a UNIX host, but it is not running on your Macintosh, since it does not exist for Macintosh. However, several other good (some free) IMAP clients do exist for the Mac: Refer to : ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DETAILED LISTING OF CLIENTS BY PLATFORM... Client MIME? Source/Vendor Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- {...other platform information deleted...} MACINTOSH Mail Drop 1.1 Yes Baylor U. Released MacMS No Stanford U. Obsolete Mailstrom 1.05 No Stanford U. Released, but buggy on some Macs Mailstrom 2.0x Yes Adam Treister In development? MMail Yes Atelier de Software Planned POPmail No UMinn Uses POP paradigm; deletes mail Simeon Yes Esys Released? Siren Mail Yes Siren Software Planned product TWG Pathways No Wollongong Released Zmail Yes NCD/Z-code IMAP support Planned /--------------------------------+---------------------+-----------------\ | Alan S. Dobkin, LAN Specialist | 1784 N. Decatur Rd. | E-Mail Address: | | Networked Workstation Support | Suite 225, Cube 11 | ADobkin | | ITD Network Systems, Emory U. | Atlanta, GA 30322 | @Emory.Edu | | | (404) 727-2766 | FAX #: 727-0817 | \--------------------------------+---------------------+-----------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 11:52:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09012; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:52:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12415; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:40:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12409; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:40:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIKXV-00038UC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roberto Allen Subject: Re: You can't answer this Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:53:35 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Thanks to all who replied. Most people suggested making changes to my pine.rc file, which I'm sure would have worked. I was setting this up for the whole system as root, so I really needed to change the pine.conf file. The magic solution was: Add a line in pine.conf that reads: user-domain=knight.city.ba.k12.md.us Thanks to all who responded. --Roberto From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 12:12:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09411; Sun, 4 Jun 95 12:12:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12752; Sun, 4 Jun 95 12:07:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12746; Sun, 4 Jun 95 12:07:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIKtc-00038QC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 11:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: pine for AIX 4.1 Date: 4 Jun 1995 04:44:43 GMT Message-Id: <3qrdnr$1msh@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Alessandro Miotto wrote: > >I have seen something about this thread some ten days ago. >Recently I have been told that the directory /usr/ucb does not exist on >AIX 4.1, so the c-client library should be recompiled with > RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh How odd. On my AIX 4.1.2 box, /usr/ucb is alive and well. On my AIX 4.1.1 box, /usr/ucb also exists, but has only about a dozen files in it, all links elsewhere. Either this was a mistake in the distribution of AIX 4.1.1 which has now been fixed in AIX 4.1.2, or else it is because you have not done an "installp -o 'all_licensed'" off your distribution CD (something I haven't done on the 4.1.1 box but have on the 4.1.2 box). I recommend always doing the install of all licensed software on the CD, because factory installs of AIX often leave out some crucial stuff. >On AIX 3.1 /usr/ucb/rsh is anyway a link to /usr/bin/rsh. As on the 4.1.2 box. In any case, you shouldn't need to change the source code; you can make the link in /usr/ucb since that directory seems to exist on all the 4.1 boxes I have. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 16:34:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14175; Sun, 4 Jun 95 16:34:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07279; Sun, 4 Jun 95 16:30:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07273; Sun, 4 Jun 95 16:30:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIP1c-00038TC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 16:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jorge Paramo Subject: Re: Spanish Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 17:15:40 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 4 Jun 1995, Ruben D. Salazar wrote: > Marcos, I'd like to help translating. Dejame saber. Ruben Dario ^^^^^^^^^^ Wow!. After seeing that name, I am not sure if you will need any more help.. ;) -- If you guys need any more help w/ the translating; estoy a su disposicion. c.u, Jorge. _______________________________________________________________________________ "We are all novices. | Internet: paramoj@river.it.gvsu.edu (NeXT) Only the dead have | paramoj@erie.csis.gvsu.edu nothing left to learn." | GRAND VALLEY STATE UNIVERSITY "Procastination is like masturbation; you are only screwing yourself..." http://www.csis.gvsu.edu/~paramoj/ PGP Key From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 20:17:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17949; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:17:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09334; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:11:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09328; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:11:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sISSW-00038RC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" Subject: Re: Any pattern-matching and filtering capability in Pine 3.91 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 06:48:02 -0400 Message-Id: References: <9505312224.AB18292@delta1.deltanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: As the Pine docs say, filtering is left out - to be done by other programs, like procmail (which is a really great mail handler, BTW)! Zoli fekete@bc.edu (note my old full address @bcuxs2 is retired) "For my assured failures and derelictions, I ask pardon beforehand of my betters and my equals in my calling." - Rudyard Kipling From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 20:18:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17981; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:18:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18627; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:11:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18621; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:11:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sISSE-00038OC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" Subject: Re: Snipping with Pine Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 06:42:21 -0400 Message-Id: References: <3q8q51$c3a@epx.cis.umn.edu> <3q9i3j$q39@gondor.sdsu.edu> <3qbk3b$h42@epx.cis.umn.edu> <3qbo8m$onm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3qbo8m$onm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 29 May 1995, Chris Clayton wrote: > >How does this work? I type ctrl-^, and nothing happens. I then press > >another key and a "[B" appears, the same as if I'd typed it in. Then if > >I type ctrl-K it only erases the line I'm currently on. What am I doing > >wrong? > > I have trouble with the ctrl-^ command whenever I log into my > Unix account from a Mac and use pine. I don't try to figure out what's > wrong any more...what's wrong with Mac's can't be fixed by me. I don't > know if this helps explain your problem or not...simply put, it could be a > terminal emulation problem It is a terminal emmulation problem (probably combined with the stupid control Mac playes over our keystrokes ;-(): on some Mac's here it doesn't work (some of those don't repeat keys held down either, incidentally), on most it does - and it's never a problem with PC terminal programs! For Ctrl-C etc. the Esc-Esc works, maybe it would for Ctrl-^ too ?! -- Zoli From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 20:57:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18742; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:57:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19015; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:46:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19009; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:46:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIT3V-00038RC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Jump to end of file? Date: 4 Jun 1995 18:16:18 GMT Message-Id: <3qst9i$k9f@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3qohkr$jq8@hearst.cac.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article , Don Sugarman wrote: >On 3 Jun 1995, Patrick Y. Wang wrote: >> I like pico, but is there a way to jump to the end of file and top of file >> really quickly? >Ctrl-Wv 'search' to bottom >Ctrl-Ey 'search' to top What? Your listing for going to the bottom is going to search for the next occurrance of the letter "v", and for bottom will place a lowercase 'y' at the end of the current line. The correct keys are control-w, control-v for going to the bottom, and control-w, control-y for going to the top. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 22:31:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20419; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:31:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10676; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:23:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10670; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:23:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIUTc-00038OC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lparke3@vms1.gmu.edu Subject: GETTING MARRIED? 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From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 22:42:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20652; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:42:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10863; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:38:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10856; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:38:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIUjf-00038RC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Setting MY SMTP SERVER TO Work with PC-PINE? Date: 4 Jun 1995 04:56:10 GMT Message-Id: <3qreda$173a@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Coenraad Bakker wrote: >[...] I can connect fine to my UNIX IMAP server from a PC and >read my mail on the UNIX server. However, when I want to send a message, >it cannot find the SMTP server. There seem to be confusing instructions >about whether it requires an SMTP server. One place it says that it will >use sendmail as a default, another place it says that PC-Pine requires >SMTP. It may be confusing, but it is nonetheless correct. sendmail is a mail transport agent which runs on Unix hosts, not PCs. On Unix, Pine will by default hand email to sendmail for delivery, unless you set smtp-server so that Pine will attempt to make the SMTP network connection itself. PCs, having no sendmail to which PC-Pine can hand email, must use the smtp-server method only. >The latter appears to be the case because if I leave "smtp-server" >blank in the config file, it keeps asking for the SMTP server. When I >specify the same server to which I connect to read the mail, it cannot >connect. That UNIX system has been used for years with pine for regular >login users. It may be that the UNIX server is not propoerly set up as an >SMTP server even though there is an entry in /etc/services. However, I >have a hard time finding information about how to set it up as an SMTP >server. Anyone can help me with this? Sounds like the IMAP server is not running sendmail in daemon (SMTP) mode. Can you telnet to port 25 on your mail server? If you can, and get some version blurb, then something is wrong with your Pine setup, because the framework is there for this to work. If on the other hand you get a "port unavailable", "service unavailable", or "connection reset by peer" message, then your IMAP server is not running the daemon to listen to the SMTP port. Are you your this machine's administrator? If not, you should contact her; most likely she will tell you of another machine which you should use as an smtp server instead (assuming you're connected to the Internet, you *must* be running smtp *somewhere*). If you are this machine's administrator, then find out where in the /etc/rc* scripts sendmail gets started, and make sure that the "-bd" (begin daemon) flag is present. If it isn't, the smtp daemon isn't being properly spawned. If it is, then something is killing your sendmail daemon process. You may want to run a periodic script via cron to make sure that all daemons, including sendmail, are running normally. Hope this helps. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 22:43:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20693; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:43:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20492; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:38:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20485; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:38:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIUi5-00038OC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@grape.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Downloading Date: 4 Jun 1995 04:53:00 GMT Message-Id: <3qre7c$bdf@grape.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: ZUBROVKA (Agdesign@cris.com) wrote: : Alright, I converted my sent mail and saved msgs files to txt files. Now : how do I download the things? I'm running a Mac if that makes a diference. : Help will be appreciated. Not sure what you mean by you 'converted them to text files'. The pine command is E to (E)xport, which will put a named file in your home directory, then quit pine, and download it the same way you would download anything else ... only my guess, sounds like maybe your tryin to download it while you're in pine ?? Hope this helps, if not, restate your question. BYE. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 22:44:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20731; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:44:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20578; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:41:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20572; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:41:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIUqb-00038TC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 22:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: How can I get a "successful delivered" mail after sending? Date: 4 Jun 1995 05:16:39 GMT Message-Id: <3qrfjn$vvt@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3phlqn$mfn@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <3qp1s5$het@access2.digex.net> Status: O X-Status: In article <3qp1s5$het@access2.digex.net>, Jasper Corrigan wrote: >Now, to add a wrinkle, how about getting notification of a piece of mail >being *read*? Can it be done in pine? No. It can't be done in any current Internet-standard mail delivery/reading scheme. How it would be done is a good question. Usually, the reason giving for wanting to know this information is to know whether someone is ignoring you or just not reading their email. This is fine, but suppose they see your name and delete your message without reading it? Should you get notification? How about if the recipient reads mail offline? Should you be notified when the mail is downloaded, even if the recipient may not have read the mail? Notified the next time mail is downloaded, assuming that he reads his mail at least once in between each download? Or some other method? There are a heck of a lot of issues here that can be solved with complicated proprientary email solutions (I'm aware that several vendors have implemented this feature), but not with Internet mail. Internet mail is essentially just files being transferred from one place to another; having no central authority, no peer-to-peer verification, and no standard-issue client means that you have to assume lowest common denominator. And receipt-on-read is an awfully complex feature to model to the lowest common denominator. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jun 4 23:30:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21533; Sun, 4 Jun 95 23:30:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11308; Sun, 4 Jun 95 23:24:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11302; Sun, 4 Jun 95 23:24:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIVXx-00038OC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 23:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: [Need IMAP Help, Please!] Date: 4 Jun 1995 21:30:34 GMT Message-Id: <3qt8lq$hro@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3qsk5m$3kl@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3qsk5m$3kl@hobbes.cc.uga.edu>, prin wrote: >I have a Linux box running imapd connected to the internet via slip. >Attached via ethernet, I have a win95 box running PC Pine. I have >checked my imap daemon and it is IMAP2bis Service 7.8. > >I have checked my services file and have IMAP enabled on port 143. All >connections to this port is refused even with the daemon running. I >cannot telnet to the port and the win95 box always gets refused >connection. Is there something else I need to configure on the Linux server? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "even with the daemon running". Have you added the line imap stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/etc/imapd imapd To your /etc/inetd.conf? Imapd does not handle multiple connections itself and must be started using the Inet superdaemon. If you have a line somewhere in an rc file which actually runs imapd, you should remove it; it isn't needed. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 00:15:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22573; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:15:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21724; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:09:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21718; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:09:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIW99-00038lC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gabrielle@norden1.com (Gabrielle) Subject: Followup-to:? Reply-to? Date: 5 Jun 1995 02:33:45 GMT Message-Id: <3qtqe9$6mv@news1.channel1.com> Status: O X-Status: I would appreciate some help! I will be crossposting a group proposal to several newsgroups, but I need all the traffic the posts generate to go to ONE newsgroup. How do I do this? I have read all the PINE manuals I can find, but I only saw reference to Reply-to: which doesn't seem appropriate. Is there a Followup-to: header command? Thanks in advance! Debbie \||/ gabrielle@norden1.com @@ "The Internet is For (\/) THE BIRDS!!!" ( ) \ / Visit Debbie, her Teddy Bears /||\ and her Parrots at her / "" \ HomePage! ~~~~~~ http://www.rhein.de/t-b/users/debbie.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 00:41:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23149; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:41:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12078; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:37:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12072; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:37:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIWaH-00038UC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lparke3@vms1.gmu.edu Control: cancel <1995Jun4.224831@vms1.gmu.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <1995Jun4.224831@vms1.gmu.edu> Date: 05 Jun 1995 05:29:19 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: This spam has been cancelled. An explanation of this action has been posted to news.admin.net-abuse.misc. Please read that message if you have any questions. Feel free to contact me at the Reply-To address if you have any further questions. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 00:49:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23307; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:49:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22182; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:43:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22176; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:43:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIWfs-00038RC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 00:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Will IMSP handle .newsrc's? Date: 5 Jun 1995 05:31:49 GMT Message-Id: <3qu4s5$uln@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: I just reread Myers draft on IMSP, and I can't find whether or not it will support .newsrc's. This isn't explicitly spelled out, but I suppose that it can be handled as a configuration variable like any other. Has anyone (particularly in the Pine development team) considered this issue? How will .newsrc files be handled over IMSP? -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 04:58:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29569; Mon, 5 Jun 95 04:58:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25517; Mon, 5 Jun 95 04:52:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25511; Mon, 5 Jun 95 04:52:13 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id HAA17850; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 07:52:11 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA20695; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 07:52:09 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA25716; Mon, 5 Jun 95 07:49:50 EDT Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 07:49:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: Trey Harris Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Jump to end of file? In-Reply-To: <3qst9i$k9f@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 4 Jun 1995, Trey Harris wrote: > In article , > Don Sugarman wrote: > >On 3 Jun 1995, Patrick Y. Wang wrote: > > >> I like pico, but is there a way to jump to the end of file and top of file > >> really quickly? > > >Ctrl-Wv 'search' to bottom > >Ctrl-Ey 'search' to top > > What? Your listing for going to the bottom is going to search for the > next occurrance of the letter "v", and for bottom will place a lowercase > 'y' at the end of the current line. > > The correct keys are control-w, control-v for going to the bottom, and > control-w, control-y for going to the top. OOPS! Of course, you are absoluetly right. When you do it automatically, you don't even realize you haven't taken you finger off the control key. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 05:16:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00143; Mon, 5 Jun 95 05:16:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15057; Mon, 5 Jun 95 05:10:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15051; Mon, 5 Jun 95 05:10:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIatg-00038UC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 05:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" Subject: Re: Followup-to:? Reply-to? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:12:55 -0400 Message-Id: References: <3qtqe9$6mv@news1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3qtqe9$6mv@news1.channel1.com> Status: O X-Status: You've got to Setup/Config and add: customized-hdrs = Followup-to: - then you'll get that field when composing the post! Zoli fekete@bc.edu (note my old full address @bcuxs2 is retired) "For my assured failures and derelictions, I ask pardon beforehand of my betters and my equals in my calling." - Rudyard Kipling From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 06:32:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01725; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:32:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26632; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:25:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26626; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:25:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIc3t-00038XC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Subject: RFD: comp.mail.user-agent.*, comp.mail.transfer-agent.* Message-Id: <950602.234520.1D0.rnr.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:45:20 -0600 References: <3pvukn$lso@clarknet.clark.net> <3q0lu2$ec@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> Status: O X-Status: note followups brad@his.com (Brad Knowles) writes: > I'm beginning to think I should push to have comp.mail.* reorganized into > comp.mail.mta.* and comp.mail.mua.* > Thoughts? fine by me -- but instead using the names I gave above. the whole point would be to _decrease_ in-the-wrong-group traffic, not increase it! -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 06:56:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02129; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:56:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16021; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:48:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16015; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:48:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIcRW-00038cC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: daniel@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN.actcom.co.il (Daniel Baum) Subject: Pine with remote server Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 17:57:15 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I am having no success whatsoever using Pine to read remote mail on a server to which i am connected via SLIP. As far as I know I have followed all the instructions, but always get "connection refused" Does anybody know the correct incantation to get it working? Daniel Baum danbaum@shani.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 09:56:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09382; Mon, 5 Jun 95 09:56:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00658; Mon, 5 Jun 95 09:47:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00652; Mon, 5 Jun 95 09:47:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIfCq-00038QC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 09:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Re: Any pattern-matching and filtering capability in Pine 3.91 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 03:51:02 -0400 Message-Id: References: <9505312224.AB18292@delta1.deltanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: > On Wed, 31 May 1995, LervA wrote: > > > In article <3q4ndi$1fp@latte.eng.umd.edu> you wrote: > > : I'm a new user of Pine (only started using it this month), and would like > > : to know if Pine has any utilities for redirecting mail to specific > > : folders based on their subject or their sender. > > : If Pine lacks such utilities, are there others that can do the same > > : thing? If the only thing that will do the job is the utility "filter", > > : examples of rules files would be greatly appreciated. > > > > : Scott It's true, there is no filtering in Pine. However, if you mark "enable-aggregate-commands" in the config file, you can sort things out pretty fast with the following sequence of commands: ; -- enables aggregate command t -- mark by Text a -- search All text (sometimes the mailing list name is only in the CC) s -- Save foldername -- folder you want to save it in x -- eXpunge. Removes the files. You can then repeat the process if you have several mailing lists to deal with. In the end, which comes pretty quick, you've got all your personal mail in front of you, and all the mailing list mail in the appropriate folders. Personally I found this simpler and more fool proof than Procmail for mailing lists that generated under fifty letters a day. Hope this helps, Michael __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 11:09:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12796; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:09:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21107; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:02:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21101; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:02:22 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10807; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:02:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Chris Clayton , "Ben T. Feese" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: export whole folder? In-Reply-To: <3qpiah$a93@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Chris, Ben, et al: Errors of the form "Can't connect to [port] 143: Refused" almost always mean the mail server is not running an IMAP daemon. -teg On 3 Jun 1995, Chris Clayton wrote: > "Ben T. Feese" writes: > > [lots more snipping] > > >Second: regarding getting an error statement like > >> [Can't connect to uxa.cso.uiuc.edu,143: Refused (10061)] > > >I have also gotten such an error statement from my PC pine back when I > >was still trying to use it to access my mail server via a dialup > >connection. Because I never could get anyone to tell me what the error > >message meant (do the numbers "143" and "10061" have some significance to > >the pine "insiders"???), I finally gave up and now use my PC pine only to > >read pine folders that I have transferred by ftp from my dialup Unix pine > >operation to my PC pine (for Windows/winsock) on my home computer. > > Well, gurus of the 'net, how 'bout it? Can anyone tell me what might > be wrong? Is it something fixable? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 11:14:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13065; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:14:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02784; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:09:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02778; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:09:38 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10982; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:09:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Dave Wood Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Error with INBOX In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Suggestions: o Upgrade to 3.91 o Start by renaming your inbox file (e.g. /usr/spool/mail/drwood) to something else, so a new inbox will be created for subsequent incoming messages. o Look at the damaged file with an editor and see how it differs from a valid mailbox... Look for extra newlines at the beginning of the file, for example. Or a message with a null in it. None of that gets to the root cause of the problem, but it might give you a start. -teg On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Dave Wood wrote: > When i start up my PINE 3.89 program on my Linux system, it says: > Folder format invalidated (consult an expert) aborted. After that it says: > No folder opened. Once it says that, it will allow me to compose > messages, and open all the saved mail folders, except for the INBOX. This > is really annoying. It happened on June 1st, right after the program > prompted me to move all sent-mail to May-sent-mail. If ya need any more > information I would be happy to oblige. Thank you in advance for any help > you can give me. > > Dave > > > *********************************************************************** > * _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ * > * _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * > * _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ * > * _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * > * _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * > *********************************************************************** > * << SigmaRho @ IRC >> << E-Mail: drwood@cici.com >> * > * << Home Page @ http://www.cici.com/~drwood/home.html >> * > *********************************************************************** > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 11:42:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14337; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:42:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03430; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:33:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03424; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:33:32 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15143; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:33:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: "Ben T. Feese" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to get OrdrdSort by Date *Sent* In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I think it will work like that in 3.92. There are still some problems because not all Date lines have enough information in them to easily tell which timezone they came from. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Ben T. Feese wrote: > On my Pine 3.91, under the OrderdSort option, all messages with a given > title are sub-ordered according to the date of *arrival*. This OrdrdSort > ffeature is supposed to produced a "thread-like" display of newsgroup > postings. But responding articles often arrive here AFTER the > originating post, resulting in a jumbled order. Can anyone suggest how > to get an OrderedSort based 1st on Subject, then on Date *SENT* ?? > > TIA > > ============================================================================= > Ben T. Feese > Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program > Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) http://www.centre.edu > Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 > ============================================================================= > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 11:52:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14917; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:52:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03656; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:43:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03650; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:42:59 -0700 Received: from UW-Gateway.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA16476; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:42:53 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA11015; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:42:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:41:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Bad message-ids (was PINE, please don't generate headers) To: Trey Harris Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3qr9k8$hpi@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 4 Jun 1995 03:34:32 GMT, Trey Harris wrote: > I've found the discussion of Message-Id headers kind of interesting, > because on all of our hosts running SunOS, AIX, ConvexOS, and HP-UX, the > pice that Pine writes to the right of the @ is the fully-qualified domain > name. I should mention that on these hosts, hostname(1) also produces a > FQDN. > > However, on our Solaris hosts, Pine only places the machine name on the > right side of the @, not a FQDN. Solaris's hostname(1) also returnns > just the machine name. Edit the /etc/hosts on the Solaris machine so that the FQDN for the local machine appears first. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 842-0758 ICBM: N 47.36'24" W 122.34'08" TOPS-20: A Great Improvement Over Its Successors From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 12:00:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15234; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:00:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22101; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:48:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22095; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:48:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIh59-00038TC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 11:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hd-fxsts@pine.liii.com (Bruce Schuck) Subject: Need UnixWare port Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:13:42 GMT Status: O X-Status: If you folks could please point me in the right direction. The standard source package does not have a port for Novell's Unixware. If someone could please point me towhere I might find it. Or perhaps tell me which of the ports should I try to compile similar to. Many thanks in advance. -- Bruce P. Schuck President/CEO Asgard Systems, Inc. bruce@aps.org hd-fxsts@liii.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 12:19:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16221; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:19:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04197; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:08:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from anubis.oit.unc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04191; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:08:10 -0700 Received: (from harris@localhost) by anubis.oit.unc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA22042; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:00:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Trey Harris X-Sender: harris@anubis.oit.unc.edu To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re: Bad message-ids (was PINE, please don't generate headers) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On 4 Jun 1995 03:34:32 GMT, Trey Harris wrote: > > I've found the discussion of Message-Id headers kind of interesting, > > because on all of our hosts running SunOS, AIX, ConvexOS, and HP-UX, the > > pice that Pine writes to the right of the @ is the fully-qualified domain > > name. I should mention that on these hosts, hostname(1) also produces a > > FQDN. > > > > However, on our Solaris hosts, Pine only places the machine name on the > > right side of the @, not a FQDN. Solaris's hostname(1) also returnns > > just the machine name. > > Edit the /etc/hosts on the Solaris machine so that the FQDN for the local > machine appears first. At least a dozen people have emailed me with that. But I've always put FQDNs first in /etc/hosts; I regard it a security hole to do otherwise. What else could be causing this? Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 12:42:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17075; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:42:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04854; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:35:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04846; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:35:53 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12397; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:35:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jeff Brown Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Configuration Question, ... Take 2... In-Reply-To: <3ql2hv$470@hecate.umd.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Jeff, There almost certainly is a bug/mis-configuration --but I don't think the bug is in Pine. The missing "From: " header is the key. This is necessary, and if missing, the cause of the missing header should be discovered and eliminated. (The "From " line is a local-mailbox-format-specific message separator, and has nothing to do with RFC-822 headers.) Often sendmail is configured to make sure there is a valid From: header when an MUA does not provide one, but not all sendmails have been so configured. (That's one of the reasons Pine does create its own From: headers.) -teg On 1 Jun 1995, Jeff Brown wrote: > I posted here about a month ago, and recived no response, I'd > really like to be able to recomend pine as the mailer of choice for our > faculty and staff, however there is still one problem that I need to > solve. > > The only problem I am having is that some messages (recived by > pine) are not showing the senders name from the folder. instead, they > are listed as "to: USER", where USER is the recipient. > > Now, if someone has the enable-full-header-cmd of the > feature-list configuration set up, then they can find out who sent the > message. > > I have narrowed the problem down to old mailers, (I think) which > use the "From" field in the header, but not the "From:" field. Is there > any quick fix that will allow a user to see who a message was sent from > without relying on trying to explain the command to our many users??? > > Thanks! > > -Jeff Brown (jbrown@physics.umd.edu) > Assistant System Administrator > Physics Department, University of Maryland. > > ps. I have also reported this as a bug, and I will forward any > response I get from that to this group, for informative purposes. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 13:01:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17931; Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:01:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05264; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:53:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05258; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:53:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIi86-00038HC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Subject: Sco Pine? Date: 5 Jun 1995 16:01:29 -0300 Message-Id: <65901.gkerr@katydid.on.ca> Status: O X-Status: I'm looking for an edition of pine that will work on Sco Unix. Could someone please e-mail me with information on how to obtain said version? Thanks a lot. ___ Ian Kerr Katydid Information Systems, Inc. gkerr@katydid.on.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 13:03:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18125; Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:03:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05338; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:57:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from delphi.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05332; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:57:36 -0700 Received: by delphi.umd.edu (5.57/Ultrix4.2) id AA26051; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:03:03 -0400 From: jbrown@delphi.umd.edu (Jeff Brown) Message-Id: <9506052003.AA26051@delphi.umd.edu> To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, becnel@crl.com Subject: Re: Pine Configuration Question, ... Take 2... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Jun 95 12:35:37 PDT." Date: Mon, 05 Jun 95 16:03:02 -0400 Status: O X-Status: > Jeff, > There almost certainly is a bug/mis-configuration --but I don't think > the bug is in Pine. The missing "From: " header is the key. This is > necessary, and if missing, the cause of the missing header should be > discovered and eliminated. (The "From " line is a > local-mailbox-format-specific message separator, and has nothing to do > with RFC-822 headers.) > > Often sendmail is configured to make sure there is a valid From: header > when an MUA does not provide one, but not all sendmails have been so > configured. (That's one of the reasons Pine does create its own From: > headers.) > > -teg Thanks for the response Terry! I'll look into it. If this turns out to be the problem, I'll let you know. -Jeff Brown (jbrown@physics.umd.edu) Assistant System Administrator Physics Department, University of Maryland. ps. I posted a copy of your letter (slightly modified) as a followup to the orriginal post (which was almost identicle to the letter I sent you guys.), again, thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 13:19:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19344; Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:19:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24045; Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:11:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24039; Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:11:24 -0700 Received: from UW-Gateway.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA16553; Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:11:18 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA11286; Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:11:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Bad message-ids (was PINE, please don't generate headers) To: Trey Harris Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:00:17 -0400 (EDT), Trey Harris wrote: > At least a dozen people have emailed me with that. But I've always put > FQDNs first in /etc/hosts; I regard it a security hole to do otherwise. > > What else could be causing this? Hmm, you've got me. I think it may be time to ask SUN what could cause Solaris to return anything other than the official host name in the h_name member of the returned hostent struct from gethostbyname(). h_name *is* documented to be the official name. If /etc/hosts isn't lying, is there any chance that you might have NIS/YP or some other such thing running without knowing about it? e.g. a rump YP that is "switched off" but still responds to the local host name? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 14:34:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23263; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:34:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25720; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:29:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25708; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:29:16 -0700 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA19026; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:29:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: 3.89 and news To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Pardon my forgetfullness, but is 3.89 supposed to be able to WRITE news, as well as read it? I can't remember if it was introduced BEFORE or AFTER 3.89 thanks, B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 14:41:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23547; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:41:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25797; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:34:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25791; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:34:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIjiq-00038HC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Otmar Stahl Subject: pine and "userdb" in sendmail 8.6.12 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:14:52 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I recently set up sendmail 8.6.12 on HP-UX. My idea was to use the "userdb" feature to replace my unix login name with first_name.last_name for outgoing mail using the "mailname" entry in the sendmail user data base. This in fact works with mailx and elm, but unfortunately not with pine, my favourite mailer. In outgoing mail, the unix login name takes preference over the entry in the user data base, although pine is set up to use sendmail. Since elm uses the sendmail user data base, it looks like a set-up problem with pine. Any hints? With kind regards, Otmar Stahl _______________________________________________________________________________ Otmar Stahl e-mail: O.Stahl@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de Landessternwarte Koenigstuhl Tel.: +49 6221 509 231 69117 Heidelberg URL: http://www.lsw.uni-heidelberg.de/~ostahl/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 15:05:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24887; Mon, 5 Jun 95 15:05:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08606; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:59:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08600; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:59:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIk2q-00038HC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Subject: Re: Bad message-ids (was PINE, please don't generate headers) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:21:55 GMT Message-Id: References: <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qieue$lbh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qleqh$spn@tools.near.net> <3qr9k8$hpi@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: In Article <3qr9k8$hpi@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) wrote: > >I've found the discussion of Message-Id headers kind of interesting, >because on all of our hosts running SunOS, AIX, ConvexOS, and HP-UX, the >pice that Pine writes to the right of the @ is the fully-qualified domain >name. I should mention that on these hosts, hostname(1) also produces a >FQDN. > >However, on our Solaris hosts, Pine only places the machine name on the >right side of the @, not a FQDN. Solaris's hostname(1) also returnns >just the machine name. > >I am told that if we were to run NIS on the Solaris machines, the problem >would fix itself (and have verified that that is the case) but that isn't >an option. > >Is there a fix to this problem, besides running NIS or NIS+? We don't >run NIS and likely never will (NIS just doesn't scale when you get into >thirty thousand or more users) and I worry that we are producing >Message-IDs on our Solaris machines that have the potential for being >non-unique. Off the top of my head, I'd expect that if there were a call that returned the FQDN, using it [in lieu of the call to hostname(1)] in the code that builds the right hand side would fix your problem if you made this replacement in the Pine code prior to compiling it . From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 16:08:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27989; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:08:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27890; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:04:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27884; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:04:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIl52-00038TC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 15:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@grape.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: is there a FAQ on pine? Date: 23 May 1995 15:34:36 GMT Message-Id: <3psvac$a78@grape.epix.net> References: <3pr3o9$s06@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Status: O X-Status: Larry Chang (lzhang@uoguelph.ca) wrote: : is there a FAQ on pine? : Thanks. : Larry. try this; not only the faq, but all sortsa' good stuff on pine ... http://www.cac.washington.edu:1180/pine/ hope this helps BYE John (aka DearOldDad) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 16:12:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28173; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:12:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10467; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:09:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10461; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:09:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIlCq-00038HC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbrown@delphi.umd.edu (Jeff Brown) Subject: Re: Pine Configuration Question, ... Take 2... Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:45:12 GMT Message-Id: <3qvms8$rlo@hecate.umd.edu> References: <3ql2hv$470@hecate.umd.edu> Status: O X-Status: Jeff Brown (jbrown@delphi.umd.edu) wrote: : [ snip ] : ps. I have also reported this as a bug, and I will forward any : response I get from that to this group, for informative purposes. The following Mail was sent to me about the missing From: Return-Path: gray@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jeff Brown Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Configuration Question, ... Take 2... Jeff, There almost certainly is a bug/mis-configuration --but I don't think the bug is in Pine. The missing "From: " header is the key. This is necessary, and if missing, the cause of the missing header should be discovered and eliminated. (The "From " line is a local-mailbox-format-specific message separator, and has nothing to do with RFC-822 headers.) Often sendmail is configured to make sure there is a valid From: header when an MUA does not provide one, but not all sendmails have been so configured. (That's one of the reasons Pine does create its own From: headers.) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 19:19:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05342; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:19:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01247; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:15:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01241; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:15:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIo4g-00038TC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: manson@ecf.toronto.edu (Bob Manson) Subject: Re: Problems printing-to-attached-printers Message-Id: References: <3qreoh$bdf@grape.epix.net> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:11:08 GMT Status: O X-Status: Do you have the "preserve-start-stop-characters" set in the SETUP CONFIGURATION menu? Just a thought. bob From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 19:32:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05567; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:32:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14435; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:30:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14429; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:30:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIoIS-00038VC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "H. Marc Kneppers" Subject: Re: Setting MY SMTP SERVER TO Work with PC-PINE? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:26:29 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, H. Marc Kneppers wrote: > > When I try to send mail I get an error "SMTP connection went away". > > The system logs show that there was a connection, and it even creates a > > directory in the /var/spool/smtpq area for the incoming connection but NO > > DATA is transferred!! > > Here is something to try out. > > Connect to your SMTP server via TELNET, and give it an RSET command. If > the connection closes, that is probably the problem. Also check the EHLO > command, and make sure that your SMTP server doesn't close the connection > on that. Bingo! That is exactly it. The server does not recognize the EHLO command - but it keeps the connection alive. The RSET command on the other hand causes the server to drop the connection immediately. > Recently, I have been made aware of the existance of broken SMTP servers > which think that a "reset" (get to initial state, no message in progress) > means "cancel the connection". There are also a few that think that the > right way to indicate "unknown command" is to close the connection. > Your best bet is to beat up whomever provided you with that broken SMTP > server, and/or replace it with one that correctly implements RFC-821 (such > as sendmail). (...) I've recently acquired and built sendmail 8.6.12 (the version that came with the machine is something stupid like 4.1 or something) so I think that I will install it as soon as possible. The smtp daemon that we were using seems to be the vendor's one....that gives me a good excuse to beat up their software people (as you suggested ;) Thanks for the help - I can finally move forward with this project! > DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ by the way: Seatle? Why? (I'm canadian, don't forget) Marc Kneppers kneppers@acs.ucalgary.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 20:03:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06299; Mon, 5 Jun 95 20:03:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14832; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:57:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.crl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14826; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:57:48 -0700 Received: from crl5.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA12744 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:56:02 -0700 Received: by crl5.crl.com id AA01405 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:56:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Becnel To: Jeff Brown Cc: Terry Gray , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Configuration Question, ... Take 2... In-Reply-To: <9506052003.AA26051@delphi.umd.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Jeff Brown wrote: Thanks for letting me know about this. > Date: Mon, 05 Jun 95 16:03:02 -0400 > From: Jeff Brown > To: Terry Gray > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, becnel@crl.com > Subject: Re: Pine Configuration Question, ... Take 2... > > > > Jeff, > > There almost certainly is a bug/mis-configuration --but I don't think > > the bug is in Pine. The missing "From: " header is the key. This is > > necessary, and if missing, the cause of the missing header should be > > discovered and eliminated. (The "From " line is a > > local-mailbox-format-specific message separator, and has nothing to do > > with RFC-822 headers.) > > > > Often sendmail is configured to make sure there is a valid From: header > > when an MUA does not provide one, but not all sendmails have been so > > configured. (That's one of the reasons Pine does create its own From: > > headers.) > > > > -teg > > Thanks for the response Terry! I'll look into it. If this > turns out to be the problem, I'll let you know. > > -Jeff Brown (jbrown@physics.umd.edu) > Assistant System Administrator > Physics Department, University of Maryland. > > ps. I posted a copy of your letter (slightly modified) as a > followup to the orriginal post (which was almost identicle to the > letter I sent you guys.), again, thanks. > > > ************************************************************************ Robert G. Becnel Email becnel@crl.com WWW http://www.crl.com/~becnel ************************************************************************ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 22:29:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09342; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:29:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03471; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:26:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03465; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:26:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIr4M-00038VC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: a2246341@athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de (Alina Bartsch) Subject: Restricted Pico ? Date: 5 Jun 1995 12:15:10 GMT Message-Id: <3qusge$5hk@news.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Status: O X-Status: I will use the eitor pico in a application. I will that the user cannot change the filename (is an parameter) an not use the file browser. Could I define this in the environment or as parameters? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 22:36:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09481; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:36:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16928; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:31:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16922; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:31:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIr81-00038XC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: teale@acs.ucalgary.ca (Debbie Teale) Subject: standalone pico and default directory Date: 5 Jun 1995 15:01:07 -0600 Message-Id: <3qvraj$3prd@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca> Status: O X-Status: It seems that pico on our AIX system wants to always write a file (if no path is specified) to the home directory, e.g. cd .elm pico filter-rules acs3:/acs3d/teale/.elm--> pico filter-rules xxx ^X Save modified buffer (ANSWERING "No" WILL DESTROY CHANGES) ? Yes File Name to write : filter-rules acs3:/acs3d/teale/.elm--> ls ../filter-rules ../filter-rules Is this a problem with our installation, a bug or a feature? -- Deborah Teale, UCS, MS736, 220-4467 E-mail: teale@acs.ucalgary.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 23:11:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10083; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:11:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03873; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:06:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03867; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:06:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIrbi-00038UC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc56056@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chris Clayton ) Subject: Re: Pine with remote server Date: 6 Jun 1995 05:54:50 GMT Message-Id: <3r0qja$6u7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3r0jaq$dch@news.csus.edu> Status: O X-Status: sac26400@saclink1.csus.edu (S L. Barber) writes: >Daniel Baum (daniel@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN.actcom.co.il) wrote: >: I am having no success whatsoever using Pine to read remote mail on a server >: to which i am connected via SLIP. >: As far as I know I have followed all the instructions, but always get >: "connection refused" >: Does anybody know the correct incantation to get it working? >I am also having the same problem. Please let me know if you receive and >answer. I think maybe there is some variable that needs to be set. Well, if you are getting a message like this: [Can't connect to uxa.cso.uiuc.edu,143: Refused (10061)] Which is what I get, then I'll pass on to you and everyone else what I've been told (sorry, I don't have the gentleperson's name handy). This is probably stemming from the absence of an IMAP daemon on the server you are connecting to. If so, there's no variable or checkbox that will fix it. Only the sysadmin can. - Chris -- -- "I am more than the sum of my email!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 23:44:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10713; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:44:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17790; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:41:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17784; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:41:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIsBf-00038UC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry) Subject: Re: Bad message-ids (was PINE, please don't generate headers) Date: 5 Jun 1995 18:22:24 -0400 Message-Id: <3r0030$84f@ocean.CAM.ORG> References: <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qieue$lbh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qleqh$spn@tools.near.net> <3qr9k8$hpi@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) writes: >>I've found the discussion of Message-Id headers kind of interesting, >>because on all of our hosts running SunOS, AIX, ConvexOS, and HP-UX, the >>pice that Pine writes to the right of the @ is the fully-qualified domain >>name. I should mention that on these hosts, hostname(1) also produces a >>FQDN. >> >>However, on our Solaris hosts, Pine only places the machine name on the >>right side of the @, not a FQDN. Solaris's hostname(1) also returnns >>just the machine name. I'm the one who originally complained that FQDN's aren't generated under Solaris, but I must retract my complaint after realizing it's not PINE's fault. PINE uses a perfectly valid way of obtaining the local host's FQDN. But the code doesn't work under Solaris 2.3 (library bugs). It does under 2.4 >>Is there a fix to this problem, besides running NIS or NIS+? We don't >>run NIS and likely never will (NIS just doesn't scale when you get into >>thirty thousand or more users) and I worry that we are producing >>Message-IDs on our Solaris machines that have the potential for being >>non-unique. Upgrade to 2.4 :-) -Phil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jun 5 23:59:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11082; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:59:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04276; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:41:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04270; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:41:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIsCr-00038VC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry) Subject: Re: pine and "userdb" in sendmail 8.6.12 Date: 5 Jun 1995 18:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3r00da$8f2@ocean.CAM.ORG> References: Status: O X-Status: Otmar Stahl writes: >I recently set up sendmail 8.6.12 on HP-UX. My idea was to use the >"userdb" feature to replace my unix login name with first_name.last_name >for outgoing mail using the "mailname" entry in the sendmail user data >base. This in fact works with mailx and elm, but unfortunately not with >pine, my favourite mailer. In outgoing mail, the unix login name takes >preference over the entry in the user data base, although pine is set up >to use sendmail. Since elm uses the sendmail user data base, it looks like >a set-up problem with pine. It's because PINE generates a From: header while the other MUA's don't. This is exactly why I think it shouldn't. That's why I used the following patches to prevent it from doing so. It's not a perfect solution, but it suited our needs very well. Users can still change the from address if ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM is defined, but it cannot be done through the personal-name field. Note that modifications were made to osdep/os-sv4.c. You'll have to instead make them to whatever osdep/*.c is apropriate for you. --- 1.1 1994/11/24 02:44:24 +++ osdep/os-sv4.c 1995/05/30 19:45:32 @@ -1708,7 +1710,6 @@ Fork off mailer process and pipe the message into it Called to post news via Inews when NNTP is unavailable -BUG, this needs to be filled in ----*/ char * post_handoff(header, body, errbuf) @@ -1716,8 +1717,62 @@ BODY *body; char *errbuf; { - sprintf(errbuf, "Can't post, NNTP-server must be defined!"); - return(errbuf); + char news_cmd[MAXPATH+1]; + char *tmpfile; + PIPE_S *syspipe; + + dprint(1, (debugfile, "=== calling inews ===\n")); + *errbuf = '\0'; + +/* + if(!header->env->to && !header->env->cc && !header->env->bcc) + return(NULL); */ /* nobody to send to, fail silently */ + + if(can_access(INEWS, EXECUTE_ACCESS) != 0){ + sprintf(errbuf, "Mail Transport Agent %s %s", + INEWS, + (can_access(INEWS, ACCESS_EXISTS) != 0) + ? "doesn't exist" + : "isn't executable"); + return(errbuf); + } + + if((tmpfile = temp_nam(NULL, "pinepost")) + && append_message2(tmpfile, header, body) >= 0){ + + sprintf(news_cmd, "( ( %s %s ; /bin/rm -f %s ) < %s & )", + INEWS, INEWSFLAGS, tmpfile, tmpfile); + + dprint(6, (debugfile, "Send command \"%s\"\n", news_cmd)); + + if(syspipe = open_system_pipe(news_cmd, NULL, PIPE_SYS|PIPE_PROT)){ + close_system_pipe(&syspipe, PIPE_SYS|PIPE_PROT); + } + else + sprintf(errbuf, "Internal error: %s", error_description(errno)); + } + else + sprintf(errbuf, "Can't write temp file for sending: %s", + error_description(errno)); + + if(!*errbuf){ + dprint(1, (debugfile, "Post SUCCESSFUL.\nTo: %s@%s\n", + (header->env->to && header->env->to->mailbox) + ? header->env->to->mailbox : "NULL", + (header->env->to && header->env->to->host) + ? header->env->to->host : "NULL")); + dprint(1, (debugfile, "Subject: %s\nMessage ID: %s\n\n", + header->env->subject ? header->env->subject : "NULL", + header->env->message_id ? header->env->message_id:"NULL")); + } + else + dprint(1,(debugfile, "** POST FAILED **\n\terror: %s\n\ttmpfile: %s\n\n", + errbuf, tmpfile ? tmpfile : "")); + + if(tmpfile) + fs_give((void **)&tmpfile); + + return(*errbuf ? errbuf : NULL); } /* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 1.1 1994/11/22 03:43:54 +++ osdep/os-sv4.h 1995/05/31 15:40:43 @@ -282,10 +282,14 @@ mail back errors, and get recipients from To, cc, and bcc header lines. */ + +/*----- The usual inews configuration for sending news on Unix ---------*/ +#define INEWS "/local/lib/news/bin/inews" +#define INEWSFLAGS "-h" /*--------- Program employed by users to change their password ---------*/ --- 1.1 1995/05/11 05:39:08 +++ send.c 1995/06/01 17:52:31 @@ -1571,8 +1571,10 @@ set_default_hdrval(pf); } +#if 0 if(!outgoing->return_path) outgoing->return_path = rfc822_cpy_adr(outgoing->from); +#endif if(pf->text) /* free default value in any case */ fs_give((void **)&pf->text); @@ -3649,7 +3652,7 @@ if(!pine_header_line(tmp,"Newsgroups",header,header->env->newsgroups,f,s) || !pine_header_line(tmp,"Date",header,header->env->date,f,s) - || !pine_address_line(tmp,"From",header,header->env->from,f,s) +/* || !pine_address_line(tmp,"From",header,header->env->from,f,s) */ #if !defined(DOS) || defined(NOAUTH) /* add it below */ || !pine_address_line(tmp,"X-Sender",header,header->env->sender,f,s) #endif @@ -4088,8 +4093,13 @@ dprint(4, (debugfile, "Posting: [%s]\n", header->env->newsgroups)); +#if 0 if(ps_global->VAR_NNTP_SERVER && ps_global->VAR_NNTP_SERVER[0] - && ps_global->VAR_NNTP_SERVER[0][0]){ + && ps_global->VAR_NNTP_SERVER[0][0]) +#else + if(0) +#endif + { /*---------- NNTP server defined ----------*/ error_mess = NULL; @@ -4417,13 +4427,14 @@ * any of the forbidden headers. */ forbid = 0; + if (strucmp(name, "From")) { if(is_a_std_hdr(name) || (forbid=is_a_forbidden_hdr(name))){ if(forbid) q_status_message1(0, 1, 2, "Not allowed to change header \"%s\"", name); *t = save; continue; - } + }} pf->name = cpystr(name); pf->type = FreeText; ------ -Phil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 04:09:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17728; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:09:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21164; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:02:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21158; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:02:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIwEy-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 03:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim@draco.bison.mb.ca (Jim Jaworski) Subject: Testing, pls ignore Date: 5 Jun 1995 22:26:19 -0500 Message-Id: <3r0hsr$a3o@draco.bison.mb.ca> Status: O X-Status: -- Winnipeg MB Canada jim@draco.bison.mb.ca TEAM OS/2 MIME OK VE4JAF Proud to be a non-hyphenated Polish Canadian! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 04:10:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17752; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:10:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06947; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:02:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06941; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:02:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIwFc-00038VC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 03:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim@draco.bison.mb.ca (Jim Jaworski) Subject: Testing, pls ignore Date: 5 Jun 1995 22:26:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3r0ht9$a3v@draco.bison.mb.ca> Status: O X-Status: -- Winnipeg MB Canada jim@draco.bison.mb.ca TEAM OS/2 MIME OK VE4JAF Proud to be a non-hyphenated Polish Canadian! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 04:16:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17871; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:16:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21174; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:02:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21166; Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:02:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sIwIO-00038XC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 03:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim@draco.bison.mb.ca (Jim Jaworski) Subject: Testing, pls ignore Date: 5 Jun 1995 22:27:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3r0hug$a4c@draco.bison.mb.ca> Status: O X-Status: -- Winnipeg MB Canada jim@draco.bison.mb.ca TEAM OS/2 MIME OK VE4JAF Proud to be a non-hyphenated Polish Canadian! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 09:09:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26547; Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:09:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11379; Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:03:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11368; Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:03:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ0uV-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ralf Wenzel Subject: HELP: Just two little questions . . . Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:06:13 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi! I hope that anyone can help me, from elm i know the 'autoreply'-feature, that will answere mails with an defined (defined means defined by the user e. g. when he's on holiday) text if set. Is there a feature like this implicated in pine? And the second question: If i join a newsgroup, all (!) messages are set with 'NEW'-status. Now i can read messages, reply to some people. If i leave and open another group and then open the first group again, all messages are 'NEW' again. In addition to that other flags (e .g. (A) for Answered) are unset when i leave and reopen the group. Thx for helping me! bye \|/ @ @ +-------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo-----------------------+ | Ralf Wenzel | n06600@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de | | Kavallerieweg 18 + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 33104 Paderborn (GER) | PHONE: 0049 - 5254 - 87293 | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 14:11:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10473; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:11:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17886; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:03:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17880; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:03:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ5fK-00038VC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 13:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Debbie Kesling Subject: Re: Followup-to:? Reply-to? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:28:06 -0400 Message-Id: References: <3qtqe9$6mv@news1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Thanks! I had a few other folks email me with this info, so that is how I set it up. It seems to work fine when I type "F" to followup my post via tin, but when I am reading the newsgroup post with PINE, it wants to post to ALL the newsgroups... Sigh! Debbie On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq wrote: > You've got to Setup/Config and add: > customized-hdrs = Followup-to: > - then you'll get that field when composing the post! > > Zoli fekete@bc.edu (note my old full address @bcuxs2 is retired) > "For my assured failures and derelictions, I ask pardon beforehand of my > betters and my equals in my calling." - Rudyard Kipling > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 15:07:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13578; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:07:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19436; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:04:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19430; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:04:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ6aM-00038VC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brody@primenet.com (Bob Brody) Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To: A word of caution Date: 23 May 1995 23:31:20 GMT Message-Id: <3ptr88$sh2@news.primenet.com> References: Status: O X-Status: G. Harney (gharney@clark.net) wrote: >Was following the recent thread on getting a Rtrn Rcpt for email that >one sends. I decided to give it a shot. Works great, but; >I just sent an email off to a mailing list, and a min later I am getting >bombarded with return receipts from the mailing list recipients! I know >this list has about 1000+ members, I am wondering if I will be getting >that many rtrn rcpts. Oh well, live and learn. :) And if any of the list recipient's email/Internet provider charges extra for sending Internet mail, those people will have to pay for your return receipt. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 15:10:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13724; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:10:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05190; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:59:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05184; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:59:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ6UU-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@grape.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Creating a Sig Date: 6 Jun 1995 18:30:42 GMT Message-Id: <3r26si$r8d@grape.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Richard Denison (rmd2@coventry.ac.uk) wrote: : I'm relatively new to the World of e-mail but having read a few letters I : have noticed people have ended there messages with a signiture. I was : wondering how do you go about creating one. Also is it possible to save : messages that people have sent to you on floppy disc. If any one could : help I would be most grateful. Thanks. Make your signature with any text editor (pico is pines default) and save it as filename .signature (please note, the '.' dot is important) and it will automatically attach. Alternatively, and IMHO a better way is make a file and save it as something else (for example filename sig) and then attach it only when and where you want to, you can also make sig1, sig2, sig3, sigsex, siggolf, sigwhatever files, and attach them with the ^R (control+R) read in file command. OK here comes sig3 (which is a 3-line signature) BYE. /\ /~~\/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\/\ \/\/ / \/ \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\| Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH /_/__\/_/___/_/\/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|__ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 15:23:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14281; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:23:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05599; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:15:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05593; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:15:31 -0700 Received: (from michael@localhost) by linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA13219; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:14:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Schuyler To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Shell access In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: By now the word is out that it is fairly easy to gain access to a shell from within Pine. With 3.91 you can check the enable-alternate-editor option and list your editor as "bash" or "csh" or whatever. Even if the administrator has pine.conf.fixed set up as no-enable-alternate-editor it still works if you can save a .pinerc file with the feature listed. The same is true of 3.89, even though you don't get the nice config screens. Now, if you grant access to a shell anyway, this is all a moot point, but if you don't, it's a hole. Does anyone have any suggestions about this? o o o o o o o . . . _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~LinkNet~~~~~~\_ o _____ | Kitsap Regional | | Support | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | Library | |'least we try! | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Support: (360) 405-9131 Fax:(360) 405-9128 support@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us Michael Schuyler: Voice:(360) 405-9139 michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 17:05:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18989; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:05:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07990; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:57:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07984; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:57:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ8Lf-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andrew Veliath Subject: Help, message that folder format is invalidated Date: 5 Jun 1995 22:55:54 GMT Message-Id: <3r021q$5c0@ayrton.eideti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: "Folder format invalidated (consult an expert)" I get this message when using Pine, but I am having trouble tracking down why it is doing this. Obviosly the mail format has changed or something, but I do not konw enough about POP3 to know what happened. I use a POP3 mailserver and suddenly it started happening (not sure if I indirectly screwed something up); has anyone encountered something like this? Andrew Veliath From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 17:08:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19298; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:08:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08335; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:04:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08328; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:04:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ8ZU-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Bad message-ids (was PINE, please don't generate headers) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:29:42 -0700 Message-Id: References: <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qieue$lbh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qleqh$spn@tools.near.net> <3qr9k8$hpi@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > Off the top of my head, I'd expect that if there were a call that returned > the FQDN, using it [in lieu of the call to hostname(1)] in the code that > builds the right hand side would fix your problem if you made this > replacement in the Pine code prior to compiling it . There already is such a call in the Pine code. There always has been such a call in the Pine code. That call is gethostbyname(), which accepts a name (in this case, the name returned by hostname()) and returns a hostent struct. The h_name member of the hostent struct is documented as being the FQDN (or, in old ARPANET terms, the "official name"). The problem is that many systems are misconfigured; often by accident, but on occasion by bad advice from sorcerer's apprentices. The single most common misconfiguration is an entry in /etc/hosts for the local system which puts the non-FQDN first. There have been reports this problem which appear to have other causes. Both Yellow Pages/NIS from SUN and NetInfo from NeXT are perfectly capable of being misconfigured as well. The problem with the proferred "solution" of manually appending the domain name is that if/when the system's configuration is ever fixed, then you'll see doubled domain names, e.g. foo.bar.com.bar.com So, instead of adding a bug to work around a bug, it's usually best to fix the underlying bug (assuming you can find it). -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 17:08:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19311; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:08:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22132; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:04:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22126; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:04:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ8aA-00038VC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Will IMSP handle .newsrc's? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:34:33 -0700 Message-Id: References: <3qu4s5$uln@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3qu4s5$uln@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 5 Jun 1995, Trey Harris wrote: > > I just reread Myers draft on IMSP, and I can't find whether or not it > will support .newsrc's. This isn't explicitly spelled out, but I suppose > that it can be handled as a configuration variable like any other. > > Has anyone (particularly in the Pine development team) considered this > issue? How will .newsrc files be handled over IMSP? The short answer is that 99% of my attention has been focused on IMAP4 protocol and development, and that other than verifying that IMSP is A Good Thing the draft has only been skimmed. Now that the c-client based IMAP4 toolkit is in alpha test (it's on ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap-4.ALPHA.tar.Z if you haven't gotten the word yet), IMSP will be looming as the next major development effort. I think that it is a safe assumption that IMSP will evolve, based upon our experiences with fitting it to Pine's needs. Hopefully, there won't be *much* evolution needed. But a lot of important matters were shelved on the grounds that "this should be handled in IMSP, not IMAP4", and all of these are going to come back up again. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 17:33:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20517; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:33:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22556; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:24:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22548; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:24:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ8n3-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) Subject: Re: What is core.pine and why is it so large? Date: 23 May 1995 18:46:24 -0500 Message-Id: <3pts4g$82h@woof.cs.utexas.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: [ rosss@PrimeNet.Com (Scott Ross) wrote the following on "comp.mail.pine": ] -> Thanks for the reply, that's a big load off of my shoulders. I get -> [.......................] -> Error since I haven't tried to investigate it. Again, thanks for the -> reply. Put the following line in your ".cshrc" file and even if PINE crashes the size of core file generated will be 0. limit coredumpsize 0 Remember "core" files are generated whenever a program crashes. So it holds for Pine, Mosaic.......and if you are an ordinary user, you don't need to worry about core files. Good Luck Ananda -- Ananda M. Kar |(H)458-9754 | URL: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/ananda/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am Pentium of Borg , Division is futile , You will be Approximated From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 18:42:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23169; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:42:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10121; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:39:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10115; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:39:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJ9yk-00038XC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@grape.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Creating a Sig Date: 6 Jun 1995 21:43:30 GMT Message-Id: <3r2i62$c3a@grape.epix.net> References: <3r2a5g$4vu@clarknet.clark.net> Status: O X-Status: A. Reichert (reichera@clark.net) wrote: : ...and following DearOldDad's post... : To save messages, use the "Extract" command. Pine will then ask you for : a filename, then save the message to that filename. You can then : download and save on disk. : Here is my .sigl file: : | Alan Reichert - reichera@clark.net | : | "Acrophobic Lighting Designer for Hire" | : | Upcoming Project: "Living Together" | : |-------------------------------------------| : |http://www.clark.net/pub/reichera/home.html| : |___________________________________________| Hhmmmm ... OK Alan is correct except that it's E for (E)xport, but I admit that's kinda picky, but you get the idea ... (I hope) ... anyway where were we ... Oh yes, pardon me I'm workin' under Windowzzzz Terminal and something must be sleeping now ... OK Bill Gates just called and said go ahead ... Anyway follow Alan's advice re downloading except that possibly maybe your server will not allow it in which case download to your hard drive, then copy it to a floppy, then delete it from your hard drive ... some servers do not permit downloads to A or B drives (assuming your using a PC or clone) they insist that you download to C or D, takes less time (microseconds but what the heck, it's their machine) anyway where were we ... oh yes, here comes filename sig (you've already seen sig3). Afterthought; if yer not usin a PC but an apple this may not apply 'cause their kinda fruity ;-) /~~~/~~~/~~~/~~~/~~~/~~\/\ POCONO MTNS PA DearOldDad The older I get, the smarter I used to be./ \/\ 717 646 9338 Jonathan Kids are people too; Have guitar, will travel. \/\ 646 0162 Freckles If you ever need a friend, get a dog. / / / \/\ POB602 Clyde Cats are little people in fur coats./ / /zip/ \/18610 Mom If you think education is expensive, try ignorance/. \/\ Thought for the day: / / / / / / / / / / / / \ None: My mind is temporarily out of order./___/___/___/___/___/___/____\ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 19:05:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23690; Tue, 6 Jun 95 19:05:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23907; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:59:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23901; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:59:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJACa-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: reichera@clark.net (A. Reichert) Subject: Re: Creating a Sig Date: 6 Jun 1995 21:55:33 GMT Message-Id: <3r2isl$2qs@clarknet.clark.net> References: <3r2a5g$4vu@clarknet.clark.net> <3r2i62$c3a@grape.epix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: Yep, I stand corrected. (E)xport, _not_ (E)xtract. (Sorry, forgot what language I was in.) Standby for .sig: - Alan _____________________________________________ | The Noble Blades' 1995 Ruptured Organs Tour | | - Stage Combat Troupe, based in | | Reston, Virginia | |http://www.clark.net/pub/reichera/noble.html | |_____________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 20:12:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25304; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:12:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11252; Tue, 6 Jun 95 19:59:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11246; Tue, 6 Jun 95 19:59:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJBEv-00038VC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 19:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: geoffrey@hunter.cc.utas.edu.au (Geoffrey Day) Subject: Blind carbon copies Date: 23 May 1995 23:51:29 GMT Message-Id: <3ptse2$p6b@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au> Status: O X-Status: Is is possible to have blind carbon copies in pine ? That is can you send out to a list of people so that they only see their own address and not the complete list of addresses it goes to. -- Geoffrey Day Email : Geoff.Day@its.utas.edu.au Systems Programmer Ph : (002) 20 7415 I.T.S. University of Tasmania From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 20:21:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25591; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:21:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24786; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:14:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24780; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:14:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJBSP-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 3dprint@ssnet.com (3D Printing!) Subject: Auto pipe Date: 6 Jun 1995 19:11:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3r2nbm$cgb@marlin.ssnet.com> Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to auto pipe ALL incoming messages to a specific script in Pine? If I try using the .forward file: \3dprint, "|/home/marlin/users/3dprint/bin/doug 3dprint" where 'doug' is the script file. I get 'service not available' message. If anyone has any idea how to solve this problem, please let me know. Thanks in advance. :) -- 3dprint@ssnet.com "Internet is as Internet does." http://ssnet.com/~3dprint -Gump Clan- |>. |\. <. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 20:58:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26391; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:58:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12014; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:44:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12008; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:44:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJBpR-00038UC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sac26400@saclink1.csus.edu (S L. Barber) Subject: Re: Pine with remote server Date: 6 Jun 1995 03:50:50 GMT Message-Id: <3r0jaq$dch@news.csus.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: Daniel Baum (daniel@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN.actcom.co.il) wrote: : I am having no success whatsoever using Pine to read remote mail on a server : to which i am connected via SLIP. : As far as I know I have followed all the instructions, but always get : "connection refused" : Does anybody know the correct incantation to get it working? : Daniel Baum : danbaum@shani.net : I am also having the same problem. Please let me know if you receive and answer. I think maybe there is some variable that needs to be set. --Sharon ---------- Department of English California State University, Sacramento sbarber@csus.edu Disclaimer: The views expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. But they should be. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 21:18:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27069; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:18:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12405; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:09:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12394; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:09:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJCKS-00038XC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Larry Corsa Subject: Address Book Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 20:16:27 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to send mail to an 80 address address book but not show the entire list in the "To:" field? Thanks, Larry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 21:18:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27106; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:18:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25483; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:09:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25477; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:09:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJCJT-00038VC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: question about sent-mail folder Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:24:33 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Simone Shoemaker wrote: > I notice that every time I send a message, it gets copied to a folder > called "sent mail". Is there any purpose behind this? As as far as I'm > concerned, I don't need to keep those messages around. Is there a way to > tell the Pine to quit doing this - or at least ask me whether I want to > save a particular message? Check out the following option under Setup/Config from the pine main menu: Ian >From unix-pine online help: > OPTION: Default-FCC (File Carbon Copy) > > This value specifies where a copy of outgoing mail should be saved. If > this is not a path name, it will be in the default collection for saves. > Any valid folder specification, local or IMAP, is allowed. This default > folder carbon copy only applies when the fcc-rule-name (see later in this > configuration screen) is set to use the default folder. Unix Pine default > is normally "sent-mail" in the default folder collection. PC-Pine default > is "SENTMAIL" (normally stored as SENTMAIL.MTX) > > To suppress saving of outgoing mail, set: default-fcc="" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > FOR MORE INFORMATION: From the Main Menu, select "L FOLDER LIST" and press > "?" for Help... Look for the section "Valid Folder Names". From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 22:24:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29133; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:24:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26401; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:20:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26395; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:20:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJDNX-00038ZC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david Subject: Re: HELP: pine not using FQDN for reply-to address? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:22:04 +1000 Message-Id: References: <3ptdri$7be@noc2.drexel.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 24 May 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > The most likely cause of this is a broken system configuration. In > particular, it is very likely that your /etc/hosts has an entry that looks > like > 129.25.3.11 dunx1 dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu > whereas the correct entry would be: > 129.25.3.11 dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu dunx1 Next solution please! Our hosts have the FQDN preceeding the node name in /etc/hosts, yet the problem persists on the SunOS boxes but not on the AIX boxes. dave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jun 6 22:40:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29565; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:40:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13676; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:35:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13670; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:35:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJDeW-00038XC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: csb@sjfc.edu (Coenraad Bakker) Subject: Posting News Message-Id: <1995Jun6.200707.9157@sjfc.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:07:07 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am using pine 3.91 on a UNIX system and attempting to a post to a newsgroup. The error I get is: [Error posting message: 441 User usenet does not exist! can"t post.]. I can read news fine both with rn and pine and if you get this it proves I can post news with Pnews. Apparently, I need to define something somewhere but I am at a loss where that might be. The nntp-server entry in .pinerc is properly identified as sjfc.edu. Does someone have a suggestion? Coenraad Bakker -- Coenraad Bakker Director Academic Computing Services St. John Fisher College 3690 East Avenue From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 00:07:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01858; Wed, 7 Jun 95 00:07:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27596; Wed, 7 Jun 95 00:00:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27590; Wed, 7 Jun 95 00:00:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJEt9-00038YC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 23:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rneu@rneu.loc.gov Subject: Re: Snipping with Pine Date: 6 Jun 1995 11:14:51 GMT Message-Id: <3r1dbb$jbt@rs7.loc.gov> References: <3q8q51$c3a@epx.cis.umn.edu> <3q9i3j$q39@gondor.sdsu.edu> <3qbk3b$h42@epx.cis.umn.edu> <3qbo8m$onm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: Maybe I'm just being too clueless to understand the real problem, but it sounds like some of youss guyss are forgetting, after you type ^^, to move the cursor to the other end of the block you want to cut. _Then_ you hit ^K, and it all goes. If you want, so I'm told, you can move the cursor to still another place and hit ^U to make it all come back there, but I have yet to find occasion to try. >rogo0009@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Dan Rogovin) writes: > >>How does this work? I type ctrl-^, and nothing happens. I then press >>another key and a "[B" appears, the same as if I'd typed it in. Then if >>I type ctrl-K it only erases the line I'm currently on. What am I doing >>wrong? > R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life rneu@rneu.loc.gov or (better) rrne@loc.gov I speak for me. Only. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 00:15:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02086; Wed, 7 Jun 95 00:15:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14946; Wed, 7 Jun 95 00:10:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14940; Wed, 7 Jun 95 00:10:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJF3e-00038VC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 23:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Pine and PGP ?? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:59:57 -0400 Message-Id: References: <3r21nf$2fd@bs33n.staffs.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3r21nf$2fd@bs33n.staffs.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: On 6 Jun 1995, Thomas Olsson wrote: > Is there anyone out there using PGP with Pine ? There is a > hack for Elm which allows you to use PGP with it, but as we dont use > Elm, the same for Pine would be nice. Any pointers/ideas would be > highly appreciated, You might check in on the newsgroup alt.security.pgp, although in my own humble opinion there are a lot of fairly irrelevant posts on that group. Nevertheless, somebody might be able to steer you in the right direction. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 04:23:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08622; Wed, 7 Jun 95 04:23:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00723; Wed, 7 Jun 95 04:15:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00717; Wed, 7 Jun 95 04:15:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJIvS-00038bC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 04:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stefan Hougardy Subject: customized-hdrs does not work ? Date: 6 Jun 1995 11:49:33 GMT Message-Id: <3r1fce$odp@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hello, I set customized-hdrs=Return-Receipt-To: xx@yy.zz in the .pinerc file, but it is ignored. I am using pine 3.89. Is this option not available in this version ? Or do I have to set any additional options ? Thanks for your help. Stefan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 05:44:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10775; Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:44:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19414; Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:33:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rs8.loc.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19408; Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:33:43 -0700 Received: by rs8.loc.gov (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA75565; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:33:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:33:42 -0400 (EDT) From: R Russell Neuswanger To: pine-info Subject: automatic carbons?? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to set up my addressbook so that, for instance, whenever I send or forward a note to the squash group or the hiking group, it automatically carbons my wife, so that she knows I've done it? I know I can simply list her among the groups -- that's what I'm doing now -- but I'd like to be able to take advantage of the feature some of my recipients' mailers have of separating carbons into a different part of their inboxes. R. R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP), LC Edel sei der Mensch, Washington, DC 20540-4120 Hilfreich und gut! 202.707.8747 (shared line) Denn das allein neuswang@mail.loc.gov Unterscheidet ihn ... or (best) rrne@loc.gov -- Goethe No teratobibliotic entity avows *my* emanations. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 05:47:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10828; Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:47:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19382; Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:31:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19376; Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:31:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJKAl-00038YC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag418@rgfn.epcc.edu (Jared S Warren) Subject: Help with confidential list.. Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 03:11:53 GMT Message-Id: <1995Jun7.031153.24720@rgfn.epcc.edu> Status: O X-Status: I am running a very small mailing list through pine v 3.91, my question is, how can I prevent the entire mailing list from being listed in the header, I have seen this done before, however, I have no idea what mailer they were using, or any other system information. Thanks for you help, Jared Warren -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jared Warren "With every victory, let it be said of me, my source ag418@rgfn.epcc.edu of strength, my source of hope, is Christ alone," JAS, BSA, Troop 260 --- Michael English "In Christ Alone" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 06:33:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11998; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:33:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02261; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:25:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02255; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:25:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJL0I-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ralf Wenzel Subject: Re: signature file before the reply text.. Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:55:09 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9505310249.AA04773@civeng.unsw.OZ.AU> Status: O X-Status: On 30 May 1995, Allen Yen Chung Hsu wrote: file, it comes before the message i received, is there a way to put the signature file at the end of the email? To Put the footer (signature) automatically at the end of the replied message, use 'signature-at-bottom'-Feature from the Setup. Press (S)etup froom the Main Menu, (C)onfig and search in the feature list for '[] signature-at-bottom'. Leave Setup with (E)xit. See also the Online-Help. I hope I could help. Good Luck! bye \|/ @ @ +-------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo-----------------------+ | Ralf Wenzel | n06600@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de | | Kavallerieweg 18 + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 33104 Paderborn (GER) | PHONE: 0049 - 5254 - 87293 | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 06:41:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12318; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:41:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20261; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:36:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20255; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:35:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJL3E-00038UC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk (Jeff Goldberg) Subject: Beam and Whiteside MS-Windows/TCP-IP Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 13:21:49 BST Message-Id: <1995Jun7.132149@tehran> Status: O X-Status: I would like to install Pine in an MS-Windows environment using "Beam and Whiteside" TCP/IP. (a) Has any one done this? (b) Is it possible? (c) can I use a compiled pcpine_?.zip or do I need to compile my own? (d) if the former, which pcpine_?.zip do I get. (e) if I need to recompile, what advice can you give? (f) Is there a Pine FAQ (I didn't check rtfm, but I did look on what I hope is a local mirror (src.doc.ic.ac.uk). Thanks. -- Jeffrey Goldberg Email: J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk WWW: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 07:09:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12980; Wed, 7 Jun 95 07:09:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02685; Wed, 7 Jun 95 07:01:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02673; Wed, 7 Jun 95 07:01:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJLQy-00038UC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cczdao@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (David Osborne) Subject: Re: Delivery Confirmation? Date: 7 Jun 1995 12:28:27 GMT Message-Id: <3r461b$b28@griffin.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Robyn Boyle writes: > On pegasus mail, there is a function whereby you can get notification that > your mail has actually been delivered to the other person's server. Is there > any such function on Pine? Pegasus uses some "private" headers for that function, since there's no official method in the RFC822 mail standard supporting receipt acknowledgement. Depending on the mailer used at the remote end, you *may* find that getting Pine to insert Return-Receipt-To: your-address or Acknowledge-To: your-address headers (perhaps by adding either or both as "custom headers" in your Pine config) will do what you want. There's a group in the Internet Engineering Task Force working on the specification of this type of facility, but until that's published and widely implemented, only ad hoc methods like these may work and then only for those recipients whose mailers support them. -- ~~David Osborne Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 07:55:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14489; Wed, 7 Jun 95 07:55:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21401; Wed, 7 Jun 95 07:46:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21395; Wed, 7 Jun 95 07:46:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJMKf-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 07:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aromano@eden.rutgers.edu (Allison Romano) Subject: O.K> all you hot shots!![D Date: 7 Jun 1995 10:31:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3r4d8d$q7n@er5.rutgers.edu> Status: O X-Status: When I try to post to newsgroups I get an "Error posting message: 480 Authentication required for command." error message. Any ideas?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 08:43:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17007; Wed, 7 Jun 95 08:43:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22494; Wed, 7 Jun 95 08:30:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22486; Wed, 7 Jun 95 08:30:05 -0700 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 16:24:58 +0100 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id QAA13895; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 16:28:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 16:28:29 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: Allison Romano Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: O.K> all you hot shots!![D In-Reply-To: <3r4d8d$q7n@er5.rutgers.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You should probably have asked your local site news server administration before going further afield... The problem is just what the error message says: "Authentication required". Basically a news server can be set up so that whilst people can READ articles freely in order to POST an article they must first authenticate (supply a username and password) to the news server. This, for example, allows logs to be kept so that offensive articles can be tracked back to the miscreant who posted them. Judging from the error message your news server is set up in such a way. However in its current incarnation Pine does not support authentication to news servers. So you'll have to either persuade your news administrator to lift the restriction, or look at using another news reading program I think. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-433740 On 7 Jun 1995, Allison Romano wrote: > When I try to post to newsgroups I get an "Error posting message: 480 Authentication required for command." error message. Any ideas?? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 10:31:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22179; Wed, 7 Jun 95 10:31:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06814; Wed, 7 Jun 95 10:26:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06808; Wed, 7 Jun 95 10:26:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJOoL-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 10:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lukas Karlsson Subject: Re: inbox readonly problem Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 04:44:41 -0400 Message-Id: References: <199506060459.AAA21315@cloud9.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199506060459.AAA21315@cloud9.net> Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Peter Head wrote: > Nice to see you around. Could I grab a copy of that script from you? I > always accidentally start another session of pine and become frustrated > by making both "read-only" I assume you have it wired into your .profile, > if that's not the case let me know. Thanks. hey, man, i'm everywhere! :) you can find the script in ~karlsson/bin and it is called. all you have to do to make it work is make a directory called ~/bin and chnge your PATH from export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/etc to export PATH=~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/etc in the future, you can put any programs in this directory and they will run instead of the ones with the equivalent names in /usr/local/bin (or any of the other directories in the path for that matter). hope it is useful for you. you might want to read it and see just how simple it is. :) - lukas ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lukas Karlsson karlsson@cloud9.net Cloud 9 Internet White Plains, New York From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 11:20:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24586; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:20:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26722; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:11:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26716; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:11:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJPWG-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" Subject: Re: Help with confidential list.. Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 07:05:31 -0400 Message-Id: References: <1995Jun7.031153.24720@rgfn.epcc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Jun7.031153.24720@rgfn.epcc.edu> Status: O X-Status: Put the addresses in the Bcc: field, and than they wouldn't be shown when sent (by any mailer, not just Pine)! Zoli fekete@bc.edu (note my old full address @bcuxs2 is retired) "For my assured failures and derelictions, I ask pardon beforehand of my betters and my equals in my calling." - Rudyard Kipling On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Jared S Warren wrote: > I am running a very small mailing list through pine v 3.91, my question is, > how can I prevent the entire mailing list from being listed in the header, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 11:21:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24623; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:21:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08062; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:16:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08056; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:16:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJPaC-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: HELP WITH POST TO CURRENT MESSAGE Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:16:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Glenn Graham wrote: > [When posting news with pine]... > It then stops and says "error 411 more included in text than new" This is the key phrase. Many newsservers wont accept a post to a newsgroup if you are qouting more lines of text than you, yourself, have written. Mine, for example, just seems to count the number of lines starting with ">" and compares it with the number of lines that don't. A common dodge is to replace all of those little ">" with something else like ":" or ";". Some people have gone so far as to hack the pine code to make this automatic. Hopefully, this will solve your problem. Ian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 11:23:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24688; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:23:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26801; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:16:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26795; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:16:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJPZm-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: vacation feature - ATTN Pine Development Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 23:55:18 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Ralf Wenzel wrote: > I hope that anyone can help me, from elm i know the 'autoreply'-feature, > that will answere mails with an defined (defined means defined by the > user e. g. when he's on holiday) text if set. Is there a feature like this > implicated in pine? Not that it is a problem to answer the above question when it is asked, but this question *is* asked an awful lot. Maybe it is time for pine to interface with vaction like it does with spell and the various other bits of unix which it is uses to do its daily work of sending and receiving mail. Would Pine Development consider this an unknowing feature request from all of those people who wrote in questions just like this one over the years? Ian Ollmann From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 13:49:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02106; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:49:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00228; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:32:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00222; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:32:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJRir-00038MC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: roland@fast.net Subject: Mail folder repair/rebuild - is it possible? Date: 24 May 1995 03:50:17 GMT Message-Id: <3puadp$3di@nn.fast.net> Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to reconstruct Pine mail folders and headers? While extracting/saving some messages from a large archive file, my system crashed and now I can't open the message folder. The folder file is intact and I can read it fine as text, but Pine chokes and is unable to open it. Pine just reutrns the message "Folder xxx reopened" where xxx is the previously opened folder. Any suggestions? Thanks Roland From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 13:49:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02138; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:49:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11180; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:32:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11174; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:32:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJRi9-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Glenn Graham Subject: HELP WITH POST TO CURRENT MESSAGE Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 03:55:38 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: No, I'm not so stupid I don't know how to post a message. The problem, I'm having is as follows: case: I am in a usenet newsgroup reading a posting from another user. I want to edit and add something to that existing posting I press the "R" reply key The editor comes on screen It asks post followup to newgroup ? I answer yes I then enter my text After I finish I enter ^X to send The system asks to send the message I reply yes The system says "may be posted to thousands of people I reply yes It then starts to write to Fcc It then stops and says "error 411 more included in text than new" message not sent Now I notice I can post a Re: to that message that will be displayed in another folder if I answer NO to posting to "Follow up to newsgroup" but if I answer yes to "follow up to newsgroup " the message won't be sent. How come???? Please reply Thanks.....Glenn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 13:51:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02199; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:51:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11192; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:32:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11186; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:32:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJRkF-00038LC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Glenn Graham Subject: IN ADDITION TO THE LAST POST Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 03:57:40 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm using pine 3.91 if the helps with the answers to my question. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 13:52:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02243; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:52:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11314; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:37:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11308; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:37:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJRlW-00038RC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Glenn Graham Subject: HOW DO YOU WORK MIME? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 03:59:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does anybody out there know how to take a mime file and make it readable using pine 3.91? Please reply ` Thanks.....Glenn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 13:54:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02385; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:54:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00350; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:37:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00344; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:37:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJRl2-00038OC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: reichera@clark.net (A. Reichert) Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To: A word of caution Date: 24 May 1995 03:45:30 GMT Message-Id: <3pua4q$qp6@clarknet.clark.net> References: <3ptr88$sh2@news.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: Not for a machine receipt. - Alan Bob Brody (brody@primenet.com) wrote: : And if any of the list recipient's email/Internet provider charges : extra for sending Internet mail, those people will have to pay for your : return receipt. -- _____________________________________________ | The Noble Blades' 1995 Ruptured Organs Tour | | - Stage Combat Troupe, based in | | Reston, Virginia | |_____________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 14:12:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03331; Wed, 7 Jun 95 14:12:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00553; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:47:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00547; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:47:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJRw3-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU WORK MIME? Date: 6 Jun 1995 19:53:01 GMT Message-Id: <3r2bmt$1g90@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Glenn Graham wrote: >Does anybody out there know how to take a mime file and >make it readable using pine 3.91? MIME is not a file format but an encapsulation method. As far as you are concerned, to add a document for encapsulation in a mail message via MIME, simply type the name of the document in the "Attchmnt:" header, it will be encoded for you. Or, if you don't remember the name of the file, you can press ^T (control-T) and choose the file from a list. The person at the other end will be able to extract the document from your mail message automatically if they are using Pine or another MIME-aware mail user agent. If they are not, they can use the munpack utility to get at the data. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 14:31:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04554; Wed, 7 Jun 95 14:31:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12184; Wed, 7 Jun 95 14:16:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12178; Wed, 7 Jun 95 14:16:30 -0700 Received: (from michael@localhost) by linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA16810; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:15:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Schuyler To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Shell access In-Reply-To: <199506071650.LAA29032@staff.cc.purdue.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Dave Halsema wrote: > > By now the word is out that it is fairly easy to gain access to a shell > >from within Pine. With 3.91 you can check the enable-alternate-editor > >option and list your editor as "bash" or "csh" or whatever. Even if the > >administrator has pine.conf.fixed set up as no-enable-alternate-editor it > > I played around with this a little bit and it seems that one work around > is to set the editor variable to "" in the pine.conf.fixed file, so it > looks like this: > > # Specifies the program invoked by ^_ in the Composer, > # or the "enable-alternate-editor-implicitly" feature. > editor="" > > Basically, it still allows the user to run an alternate editor, but > the editor is "nothing", so no harm done. Even if the user writes > a .pinerc in their home directory with the editor line set to > something else, they cannot invoke it. If you can prove me wrong > on this, please do. :-) Okay. Your method works if you just compose a message and hit Ctrl-_ to invoke the non-existent editor, but if youi type vsh or bash as the first line of your message, THEN hit Ctrl-_ to "invoke external editor," then VOILA! you have a shell available. If messages bounced to this machine within the last 48 hours it is because this method was used on us to invoke a fork bomb and shut down our system. o o o o o o o . . . _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~LinkNet~~~~~~\_ o _____ | Kitsap Regional | | Support | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | Library | |'least we try! | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Support: (360) 405-9131 Fax:(360) 405-9128 support@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us Michael Schuyler: Voice:(360) 405-9139 michael@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 14:41:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05094; Wed, 7 Jun 95 14:41:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12463; Wed, 7 Jun 95 14:27:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12457; Wed, 7 Jun 95 14:27:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJSaa-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 14:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: HELP: pine not using FQDN for reply-to address? Date: 7 Jun 1995 08:30:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3r4gng$3j2@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3ptdri$7be@noc2.drexel.edu> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Home for the Hopelessly Unhinged Keywords: Cc: In article , Mark Crispin wrote: : :I heard a rumor to the effect that this is a known bug in Solaris 2.3 and :the fix is to upgrade to 2.4. I checked this with a 2.3 and 2.4 machine, using the same pine 3.91 binary, the same /etc/nsswitch.conf file, and the the same /etc/hosts file. /etc/hosts lists the FQDN first. On the 2.3 machine, the message ID contained the non-FQDN, while on the 2.4 machine the message ID contained the FQDN. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 15:35:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08103; Wed, 7 Jun 95 15:35:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03072; Wed, 7 Jun 95 15:28:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from linet01.li.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03065; Wed, 7 Jun 95 15:28:52 -0700 Received: (from damark@localhost) by linet01.li.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA25292; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 18:29:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 18:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: John Damark To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: John Damark Subject: uudecode with Pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I am using Pine 3.91 with UNIX,and have been trying to uudecode pictures from newsgroups.I have recently read that Pine can uudecode them.But I have not seen any help files on how to do this.Are there any? Can anybody help? Sincerely, John Damark From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 17:04:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12945; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:04:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05107; Wed, 7 Jun 95 16:57:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05101; Wed, 7 Jun 95 16:57:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJUvB-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 16:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: PINE, please don't generate headers Date: 7 Jun 1995 19:56:19 GMT Message-Id: <3r5093$227@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3q5kll$5pa@ocean.CAM.ORG> <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qle8h$1do@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3r2srr$fq3@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3r2srr$fq3@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, James C Deikun wrote: >In fact, you should be creating an entirely new one. If one message >is sent to two or more mail-news gateways and goes through each one >with message-id preserved, but to different newsgroups or sets of >newsgroups, the multiple copies will interfere with each others' >propagation. Just as if someone posted the same article to two different newsgroups from two different servers with the same message id. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 17:06:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13380; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:06:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05243; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:02:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05237; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:02:33 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id UAA03240; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:02:21 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA06125; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:02:16 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA26072; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:00:51 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:00:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: Glenn Graham Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU WORK MIME? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Glenn Graham wrote: > Does anybody out there know how to take a mime file and > make it readable using pine 3.91? > I presume you are receiving MIMEd attachments that are not recognized by Pine as attachments. This could be because the sending mail user agent (MUA) is not providing the necessary separator. Anyway, you can save the MIMEd file and decode it using munpack. If you need a copy of munpack, let me know and I will email you a copy attached to a Pine message. Let me know if you need the SUN Unix or DOS version. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 17:19:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13783; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:19:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16335; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:13:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16329; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:13:47 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id UAA03600; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:13:43 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA06551; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:13:38 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA26120; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:12:13 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:12:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: John Damark Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, John Damark Subject: Re: uudecode with Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, John Damark wrote: > Hi, > I am using Pine 3.91 with UNIX,and have been trying to uudecode pictures > from newsgroups.I have recently read that Pine can uudecode them.But I > have not seen any help files on how to do this.Are there any? Can anybody > help? The present version of pine does not have the uudecode function built it. You can read in a uuencoded file to pine using ^R and save a message with a uuencoded file using ^E (export). You can uudecode files with a single uuencoded file as part of the message by eporting the message to a file and typing 'uudecode ' or piping the message from within Pine (if enabled) to uudecode, '| uudecode' Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 17:57:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14823; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:57:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16894; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:52:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16888; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:52:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJVk0-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kilty@netcom.com (Kathleen Richards) Subject: Need a filter....? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 18:23:43 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hi! I have over 3000 messages in my inbox. I get mail from some 5 different mailing groups/lists as well as from several individuals who write to me regularly. I have two questions/requests for help. I would be *eternally* grateful for any assistance! :) I am hoping for: 1) a script that will sort through my inbox as it stands now and put letters (in order from the first letters in to the last) from each group or individual specified in the script into a specified folder (i.e. all letters from the adoption mailing list into a folder called "adoption" and so on) 2) a script that will in future sort these things as they come in and send them to particular groups/mail folders where I can check on them at my leisure. I cannot find anything in my email now and it is driving me nuts!!! :( Is any of this possible? I tried a script for sorting beforehand that I downloaded from here some long time back but could never get it to work. Basically I would like to be able to, say, check my adoption mail, then check my reptile mailing list, then check the unix stuff, etc. I also get regular letters from a niece and nephew that I want to make sure I don't miss. This means that some of the sorting has to be done by "Who From" (i.e. my niece and/or nephew) and some has to look for the mailing list title rather than an individual poster/sender. Anyone? Thank you very much for your time and kind attention! -- kathleen richards kilty@netcom.com "Soon anyone who's not on the World Wide Web will qualify for a government subsidy for the home-pageless." S. Adams, May 1995 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 18:29:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15916; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:29:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06869; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:22:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06863; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:22:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJWFh-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roberto Allen Subject: You can't answer this Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 20:53:10 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You can't reply to me using the Reply feature in Pine, because if you try, the message will get sent to rallen@city.ba.k12.md.us instead of rallen@knight.city.ba.k12.md.us. (Try it!) Does anyone know where this information is stored? There's nothing like that in my pine.conf file. Should there be a line like Reply-To-Host=knight.city.ba.k12.md.us? Is there something like that in another file? We are a new site and are running Pine 3.91. Thank you for replying (or at least trying). --Roberto From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 18:39:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16165; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:39:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17471; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:32:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17465; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:32:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJWP9-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rclayton@yorick.umd.edu (Rodney Clayton) Subject: pine for aix? Date: 7 Jun 1995 19:06:00 GMT Message-Id: <3r4tao$oaf@hecate.umd.edu> Status: O X-Status: Is there a version of pine for AIX running on a rs/6000? How much does it cost and where would I get it? Thank's Rod From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 18:53:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16468; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:53:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17672; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:45:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from yacht.ee.fit.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17666; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:45:30 -0700 Received: from skiff (skiff.ee.fit.edu) by ee.fit.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0/900117wah) id AA12701; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:44:01 EDT Received: by skiff (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21224; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:45:43 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 21:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" X-Sender: ccurtis@skiff To: Pine List Subject: Pine [bug] ; 3.91 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: We have users who, because they are evil little boys and girls and don't delete their mail, have aliases sending their mail to their home directory instead of the INBOX directory. As part of the script that does this, the MAIL environment variable is set, but PINE ignores it. Most other mail readers do not. Although this in itself is just an inconvenience, I modified /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to set inbox-path to $MAIL. Works fine _if_ MAIL is set, but dumps otherwise. Likewise, if MAIL is set but has no value, PINE dumps. I don't know if this is a bug, but PINE should not simply ignore the MAIL variable. What we've had to do is either take each user who obviously doesn't know what they're doing by the hand to fix the problem, or set incoming-folders to include the new default mail folder. This is a problem for people who don't have the special mail folder, and just makes the whole thing complicated all over again. That's why we tried to get people to use PINE in the first place, to avoid complication... T | Christopher Curtis | ... when you have eliminated the | O E | Sun Lab System Administrator | impossible, whatever remains, | S A | Florida Institute of Technology | however improbable, must be the | / M | Melbourne, Florida | truth - Doyle | 2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 18:56:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16540; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:56:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07200; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:47:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07194; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:47:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJWf6-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: HELP: pine not using FQDN for reply-to address? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:27:02 -0700 Message-Id: References: <3ptdri$7be@noc2.drexel.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, david wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > > The most likely cause of this is a broken system configuration. In > > particular, it is very likely that your /etc/hosts has an entry that looks > > like > > 129.25.3.11 dunx1 dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu > > whereas the correct entry would be: > > 129.25.3.11 dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu dunx1 > Next solution please! Our hosts have the FQDN preceeding the node name > in /etc/hosts, yet the problem persists on the SunOS boxes but not on the > AIX boxes. I heard a rumor to the effect that this is a known bug in Solaris 2.3 and the fix is to upgrade to 2.4. This is apocryphical; our only Solaris box doesn't have a C compiler (and we avoid it anyway...). -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 19:09:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16827; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:09:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17827; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:57:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17821; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:57:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJWoF-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 18:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Icewolf Subject: Re: return receipt Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 15:57:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: References: <3m3at8$l06@news.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3m3at8$l06@news.primenet.com> Status: O X-Status: Hello Bob, On 7 Apr 1995, Bob Brody wrote: > I very much need to get return receipts or some manner of confirmation > of email received. just a short answer: Enter Pine's Setup -> go into Conifg -> enter at "customized-hdrs"=Return-Receipt-To:youremailadress Here on Unix-Pine it works fine and the most (UNIX-)machines answers right. Ciao Holger From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 19:25:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17136; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:25:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07611; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:17:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07605; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:17:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJX8d-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" Subject: Re: Need a filter....? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 18:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: I think procmail (or some similarly capable mail-filter program) would do a lot better than trying to hack up some script. I think there is a FAQ on "mail-server" software or such, where some are described. Zoli fekete@bc.edu (note my old full address @bcuxs2 is retired) "For my assured failures and derelictions, I ask pardon beforehand of my betters and my equals in my calling." - Rudyard Kipling From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 19:46:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17648; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:46:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18388; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:42:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18382; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:42:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJXV1-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 19:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Boris Folgmann Subject: How to auto-move read mails into 'old' folder? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:24:59 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hi! Of course I can Save them, but automatically it would be nice. My newsreader at home (AmigaOS) only shows new messages and all or last 100, 50, 25 if I wish. An auto-move (or save) would do it for pine. Optionally only for answered mails. See you, Boris PROXITY SOFTWORKS - Amiga Software Tools Phone: ++49-(0)7191-23439 Fax: ++49-(0)7191-2604 PGP: 82 84 70 38 26 5E 50 5A 9C DB CA CA 62 0A 31 52 Boris Folgmann - boris@prox.tynet.sub.org - 2:246/1416.41 Internet: prx@studbox.uni-stuttgart.de - IRC: PRX http://www.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/fachschaft/adressen/bsfolgma.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 20:06:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18143; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:06:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08250; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:03:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08244; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:02:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJXpT-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nc7rl@sol.ars-grin.gov (Richard Luhman) Subject: saving files to folders in mass Date: 6 Jun 1995 12:33:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3r201a$ble@sol.ars-grin.gov> Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to move all of the inbox files to a separate folder in mass (Using Unix Pine). Currently, I am using the S command to save each and every message. This is very tedious. -- Rick Luhman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 20:15:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18530; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:15:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08456; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:13:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08450; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:13:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJY07-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Richard Denison Subject: Creating a Sig Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:27:47 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Readers, I'm relatively new to the World of e-mail but having read a few letters I have noticed people have ended there messages with a signiture. I was wondering how do you go about creating one. Also is it possible to save messages that people have sent to you on floppy disc. If any one could help I would be most grateful. Thanks. >From Richard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 20:16:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18561; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:16:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18809; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:13:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18803; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:12:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJXvl-00038CC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Thomas Olsson Subject: Pine and PGP ?? Date: 6 Jun 1995 17:02:39 GMT Message-Id: <3r21nf$2fd@bs33n.staffs.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hello Pine users, Is there anyone out there using PGP with Pine ? There is a hack for Elm which allows you to use PGP with it, but as we dont use Elm, the same for Pine would be nice. Any pointers/ideas would be highly appreciated, Cheers all, -- Thomas Olsson, Researcher http://www.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmrdto Staffordshire University EMail: D.T.Olsson@soc.staffs.ac.uk ** The moon is smaller then the earth, but further away ** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 20:42:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19150; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:42:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19185; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:38:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19179; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:38:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJYMB-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" Subject: Re: How to auto-move read mails into 'old' folder? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:57:59 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Setup/Config read-message-folder=old-folder Zoli fekete@bc.edu (note my old full address @bcuxs2 is retired) "For my assured failures and derelictions, I ask pardon beforehand of my betters and my equals in my calling." - Rudyard Kipling From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 20:49:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19451; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:49:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08932; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:44:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08926; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:44:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJYQj-00038HC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ts4@piis10.joanneum.ac.at Date: 7 Jun 1995 20:36:17 GMT Message-Id: Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Status: O X-Status: Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 20:51:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19497; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:51:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19282; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:48:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19276; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:48:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJYYD-00038HC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Bad message-ids (was PINE, please don't generate headers) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:31:23 -0700 Message-Id: References: <3qg9at$1l0@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qieue$lbh@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3qj2hv$1h9@zeus.cuci.nl> <3qleqh$spn@tools.near.net> <3qr9k8$hpi@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> <3r3n2i$plt@hustle.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3r3n2i$plt@hustle.rahul.net> Status: O X-Status: On 7 Jun 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > Assuming this is a misconfiguration, and recalling earlier discussion, > we now have a list of two common misconfigurations: > > 1. gethostbyname() system call does not return fully-qualified domain > name. > 2. Mail transport agent does not correctly insert From: line and/or > message id. > > Pine goes to some trouble to work around 2, but not 1. I assume this > was a design decision. It would be interesting, useful, and > informative, to know why. I have always found it educational to > understand the reasoning behind decisions made by software designers. There is no good way to determine that (1) is a misconfiguration, as opposed to being a private TCP/IP network that isn't connected to Internet and does not use DNS. I speculate that there are many more TCP/IP machines that are not on Internet than those which are. If you just check to see if h_name doesn't have a dot, you'll get a false positive. You can try running down the h_alias list and seeing if any alias names have dots in them. But you'll get a false negative if the FQDN isn't in /etc/hosts. 3.92 is going to have some form of guess/warning, although I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone on a private net with a perfectly valid configuration gets bit and flames us. (2) is not a misconfiguration. It is perfectly valid according to the standards, which make it clear that the MUA is responsible for generating the From: and Message-ID: header. If sendmail on certain systems applies a From: and/or Message-ID:, it is acting as part of the MUA (not MTA). And, of course, all the world is not necessarily sendmail. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 21:09:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20138; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:09:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09092; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:58:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09086; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:58:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJYfT-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: question about sent-mail folder Date: 6 Jun 1995 17:32:54 GMT Message-Id: <3r23g6$1868@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Simone Shoemaker wrote: >I notice that every time I send a message, it gets copied to a folder >called "sent mail". Is there any purpose behind this? Yep, there's a purpose. I often get mail from people whose email address I don't recognize, saying things like, "Yes, please do that for me." I scratched my head and (before Pine) had to reply to the message saying "I don't remember what mail I sent out that you are responding to." I've kept every piece of sent mail since April of 1989. I don't often have to look at them, but when I do, it can be a lifesaver, since it's obviously something I've totally forgotten and needed to write down. :) -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 21:19:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20387; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:19:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19589; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:08:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19583; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:08:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJYpT-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 3dprint@marlin.ssnet.com (3D Printing!) Subject: Re: autoreply with PINE (Systemn V) ??? Date: 3 Jun 1995 14:51:44 -0400 Message-Id: <3qqb00$8mt@marlin.ssnet.com> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Ralf Wenzel wrote: >Hi! > >I know, that elm has an autoreply-feature. We all know, that pine is the >better mailer, but is there any possibility to autoreply messages with pine? I also would like to know if I can selectively auto-reply based on the from field? Doug CHEERS! -- 3dprint@ssnet.com "Internet is as Internet does." http://ssnet.com/~3dprint -Gump Clan- |>. |\. <. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 21:26:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20576; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:26:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09380; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:14:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09374; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:14:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJYtn-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: D & B Sales Subject: Need Help using Distribution list Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:57:34 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I want to post the same massage to several newsgroups at once. I think there is a way to do that using distribution lists in the address book. However, I can't get access to my address book when I'm on the newsgroups: line in the header. What am I doing wrong or is there another way of doing this? Thanks for reading and pleaseeee help if you can. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 21:44:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21151; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:44:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19941; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:38:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19935; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:38:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJZI4-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Moshe Segal Subject: Legal status of Pc-Pine? Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 01:31:29 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I recently downloaded the MSDOS version of Pine (pcpine_f.zip. I don't have my own network, and access E-mail through my Unix account. The only reason I wanted it was for the DOS version of the Pico editor, to use as my message editor in conjunction with the Blue Wave Offline Mail Reader. Those word-processing programs I would have chosen are too big to fit in memory, and the two alternatives, TED3 (The editor that comes with BW) and MSDOS's editor do not support the word-wrap, which leves me to worry about new lines while losing my train of thought while I write. Now that I have it, this is my question: I saw no documentation, and no license or registration form. What status does PC-Pine have? And also, since I deleted all files except Pico.exe, what would be the legal difference. Even freeware usually has some stipulation, but I am unclear of what I am now expected to do. Please let me know. Thank you very much. You're not the only one who's made mistakes Moshe E. SEgal But they're the only things 1336 Cory Drive That you can truly call your own Dayton, Oh 45406 Some people hope for a miracle cure, s010mes@discover.wright.edu Some people just accept the world as it is. (513) 279-0438 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jun 7 21:53:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21531; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:53:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09803; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:44:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09797; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:44:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJZNX-00038EC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 21:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) Subject: pegasus to Unix conversion Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 01:06:43 GMT Message-Id: <3r5bpn$52j@insosf1.netins.net> Status: O X-Status: At my place of employment we have two mail systems. The first is pegasus on our Local Network. The second is Pine mail (UNIX) on a Sun computer. We do not have access to a SLIP or a PPP connection. We have about 15 hookups to the Sun through a pad. Is it possible to compose a message in pegasus, queue that message, convert it to a Unix format, upload the message to the Sun computer via kermit, and than send the message through internet mail? I know that this may be complicated procedure and may not be possible, but if I can somehow automate a procedure through a kermit script file we will have the ability to do all of our mail with one mail system. Rick Luhman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 00:34:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24929; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:34:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21008; Wed, 7 Jun 95 23:09:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from fun.direct.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21002; Wed, 7 Jun 95 23:09:10 -0700 Received: from fun (fun [199.60.228.1]) by mail.direct.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA26554; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 23:02:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 23:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Graham" X-Sender: ggraham@fun To: Don Sugarman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU WORK MIME? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: es please, mail me a copy. I'm usinf sunos Unix. Thanks...and if tghis helps you my own computer is a 386 sx On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Don Sugarman wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:00:51 -0400 (EDT) > From: Don Sugarman > To: Glenn Graham > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU WORK MIME? > > On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Glenn Graham wrote: > > > Does anybody out there know how to take a mime file and > > make it readable using pine 3.91? > > > I presume you are receiving MIMEd attachments that are not recognized by > Pine as attachments. This could be because the sending mail user agent > (MUA) is not providing the necessary separator. > > Anyway, you can save the MIMEd file and decode it using munpack. If you > need a copy of munpack, let me know and I will email you a copy attached > to a Pine message. Let me know if you need the SUN Unix or DOS version. > > Don Sugarman > sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 00:38:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25030; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:38:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21731; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:22:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21725; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:22:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJbqZ-00038EC; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gregg Brekke Subject: can't send mail Date: 7 Jun 1995 03:35:26 GMT Message-Id: <3r36pu$8cu@genesis.member.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hi All, This is a really strange one. I admin about 10 UNIX systems running PINE 3.91 and on my main host (where I send and receive most mail) I all of the sudden can't send any mail via PINE. Other users on my system can send and receive mail, and I can still receive mail, but I can't send via pine. If I use Mail, mail, or elm, the messages are delivered as expected. I am using PC Eudora until I figure this out so please HELP! My system is a Sun IPX with Solaris 2.4. I am running sendmail 8.6.12 but have also tried using the sendmail that was included with Solaris 2.4. Like I said, other users on this system can send mail from PINE just fine... I'm at my end with this one. I've even tried setting up another account for myself to send from with no luck. This had been working forever, even with Sendmail 8.6.9 and 8.6.10 with no problems. Any advice will be appreciated, Gregg Brekke subZero Data Solutions, greggb@subZero.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 00:46:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25201; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:46:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12015; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:32:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12004; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:32:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJc02-00038EC; Thu, 8 Jun 95 00:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: reichera@clark.net (A. Reichert) Subject: Re: Creating a Sig Date: 6 Jun 1995 19:26:40 GMT Message-Id: <3r2a5g$4vu@clarknet.clark.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: ...and following DearOldDad's post... To save messages, use the "Extract" command. Pine will then ask you for a filename, then save the message to that filename. You can then download and save on disk. Here is my .sigl file: ___________________________________________ | Alan Reichert - reichera@clark.net | | "Acrophobic Lighting Designer for Hire" | | Upcoming Project: "Living Together" | |-------------------------------------------| |http://www.clark.net/pub/reichera/home.html| |___________________________________________| Richard Denison (rmd2@coventry.ac.uk) wrote: : Readers, : I'm relatively new to the World of e-mail but having read a few letters I : have noticed people have ended there messages with a signiture. I was : wondering how do you go about creating one. Also is it possible to save : messages that people have sent to you on floppy disc. If any one could : help I would be most grateful. Thanks. : From Richard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 01:29:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26337; Thu, 8 Jun 95 01:29:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12691; Thu, 8 Jun 95 01:16:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12685; Thu, 8 Jun 95 01:16:02 -0700 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:12:41 +0100 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id JAA14740; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:17:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:17:28 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: Boris Folgmann Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to auto-move read mails into 'old' folder? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Using Pine 3.91... >From the Main Menu go to the Setup Configuration screen by typing S then C. Set a name for the "read-message-folder" variable. Select the "auto-move-read-msgs" feature. Whilst you are playing around with Pine you might like to try and get a correct address stamped on your outgoing messages. I don't somehow think that this message is going to reach you directly using the "bsfolgma@track" address quoted on oyur original query! Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-433740 On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Boris Folgmann wrote: > Hi! > > Of course I can Save them, but automatically it would be nice. > My newsreader at home (AmigaOS) only shows new messages and > all or last 100, 50, 25 if I wish. An auto-move (or save) would > do it for pine. Optionally only for answered mails. > > See you, > Boris > > > PROXITY SOFTWORKS - Amiga Software Tools > > Phone: ++49-(0)7191-23439 Fax: ++49-(0)7191-2604 > PGP: 82 84 70 38 26 5E 50 5A 9C DB CA CA 62 0A 31 52 > Boris Folgmann - boris@prox.tynet.sub.org - 2:246/1416.41 > Internet: prx@studbox.uni-stuttgart.de - IRC: PRX > http://www.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/fachschaft/adressen/bsfolgma.html > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 01:47:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26962; Thu, 8 Jun 95 01:47:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22587; Thu, 8 Jun 95 01:32:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22581; Thu, 8 Jun 95 01:32:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJcyx-00038EC; Thu, 8 Jun 95 01:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dorsett@treasure.coastalnet.com (Stephen Dorsett) Subject: help needed with procmail Date: 7 Jun 1995 16:53:28 -0400 Message-Id: <3r53k8$pba@abaco.coastalnet.com> Status: O X-Status: You're right. It ain't about pine. *however*, I did get the mail filtering FAQ which pointed me to procmail from the archive for this group. Close enuf ? Anywho, procmail does not want to work for me today. (never has, I'm setting it up now for the first time) In following the cookbook, it says to check the log file for messages. Good idea, except the specified logfile is not being created. I've tried several incantations and configurations for the .procmailrc and .forward file, to no avail. Has anyone else seen similar behavior ? It looks like .forward is not getting accessed. I've opened my home dir and .forward up, making everything searchable and executable. Our mail environment is vanilla SunOS 4.1.3_U1. Any hints ? TIA -- ======================================================================== Stephen Dorsett 1-800-514-5NET dorsett@coastalnet.com Wide Area Network Manager, GIEx Corp. http://www.eastnc.coastalnet.com ======================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 04:05:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00353; Thu, 8 Jun 95 04:05:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23935; Thu, 8 Jun 95 03:55:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from actcom.co.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23929; Thu, 8 Jun 95 03:55:13 -0700 Received: from galtronics.UUCP by actcom.co.il with UUCPgaltronics (8.6.12/actcom-0.1) id NAA22594; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 13:39:00 +0300 (rfc931-sender: uucp@localhost) Received: by aviion.galtronics.co.il (5.4R2.10/ACTCOM-GALTRONICS-S-1.0) id AA00698; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 13:33:39 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 13:33:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Aladdin Khamis To: Stephen Dorsett Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: help needed with procmail In-Reply-To: <3r53k8$pba@abaco.coastalnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2113929218-2078917053-802618419=:105" Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --2113929218-2078917053-802618419=:105 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Jun 1995, Stephen Dorsett wrote: >You're right. It ain't about pine. *however*, I did get the mail >filtering FAQ which pointed me to procmail from the archive for >this group. Close enuf ? > >Anywho, procmail does not want to work for me today. (never has, I'm >setting it up now for the first time) In following the cookbook, >it says to check the log file for messages. Good idea, except the >specified logfile is not being created. > >I've tried several incantations and configurations for the .procmailrc >and .forward file, to no avail. Has anyone else seen similar behavior ? > >It looks like .forward is not getting accessed. I've opened my home dir >and .forward up, making everything searchable and executable. > >Our mail environment is vanilla SunOS 4.1.3_U1. > >Any hints ? > Hi Stephen, I attached for you three files: 1. rc.maillists you can look at the sample I made in it which suppose to filter all the incoming messages from pine-info mailing list. You have to make a directory in your home directory called ".procmail". 2. .forward is also a need file, place your user-name instead of user-name. 3. .procmailrc make sure procmail is in your path. if you are still confused write me back and I will try to be more clear. Al >TIA >-- >======================================================================== >Stephen Dorsett 1-800-514-5NET dorsett@coastalnet.com >Wide Area Network Manager, GIEx Corp. http://www.eastnc.coastalnet.com >======================================================================== > --2113929218-2078917053-802618419=:105 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="rc.maillists" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: OjA6DQoqIF5UT3BpbmUtaW5mbw0KSU4vSU4ucGluZS1pbmZvDQo= --2113929218-2078917053-802618419=:105 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=forward Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: InxJRlM9JyAnICYmIGV4ZWMgL3Vzci9sb2NhbC9iaW4vcHJvY21haWwgLWYt IHx8IGV4aXQgNzUgI3VzZXJuYW1lIg0K --2113929218-2078917053-802618419=:105 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=procmailrc Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: I1NldCBvbiB3aGVuIGRlYnVnZ2luZw0KVkVSQk9TRT1vZmYNCg0KI1JlcGxh Y2UgYG1haWwnIHdpdGggeW91ciBtYWlsIGRpcmVjdG9yeSAoUGluZSB1c2Vz IG1haWwsIEVsbSB1c2VzIE1haWwpDQpNQUlMRElSPSRIT01FL21haWwNCiAg ICAgDQojRGlyZWN0b3J5IGZvciBzdG9yaW5nIHByb2NtYWlsIGxvZyBhbmQg cmMgZmlsZXMNClBNRElSPSRIT01FLy5wcm9jbWFpbA0KICAgICANCkxPR0ZJ TEU9JFBNRElSL2xvZw0KI0lOQ0xVREVSQz0kUE1ESVIvcmMudGVzdGluZw0K SU5DTFVERVJDPSRQTURJUi9yYy5tYWlsbGlzdHMNCg== --2113929218-2078917053-802618419=:105-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 04:51:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01811; Thu, 8 Jun 95 04:51:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15480; Thu, 8 Jun 95 04:42:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15474; Thu, 8 Jun 95 04:42:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJfye-00038IC; Thu, 8 Jun 95 04:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kilty@netcom.com (Kathleen Richards) Subject: Re: Need a filter....? Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 05:36:09 GMT Status: O X-Status: Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq (fekete@chi3.bc.edu) wrote: : I think procmail (or some similarly capable mail-filter program) would do a : lot better than trying to hack up some script. I think there is a FAQ on : "mail-server" software or such, where some are described. Thank you kindly - where can I find information about procmail and is it something I am likely to find on netcom (if any other netcom people are reading this)? Thanks again .... While I am at it, where are the mail-server faqs stored/posted? Again thanks.... -- kathleen richards kilty@netcom.com "Soon anyone who's not on the World Wide Web will qualify for a government subsidy for the home-pageless." S. Adams, May 1995 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 05:31:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02948; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:31:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25056; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:17:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25050; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:17:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJgSZ-00038EC; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@grape.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Problems printing-to-attached-printers Date: 6 Jun 1995 21:11:03 GMT Message-Id: <3r2g97$c3a@grape.epix.net> References: <3qreoh$bdf@grape.epix.net> Status: O X-Status: Bob Manson (manson@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote: : Do you have the "preserve-start-stop-characters" set in the SETUP : CONFIGURATION menu? Just a thought. : bob Yes, any other ideas ?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 06:09:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03755; Thu, 8 Jun 95 06:09:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16439; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:54:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16433; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:54:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sJh2M-00038CC; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: customized-hdrs does not work ? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 21:37:08 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Ian Russell Ollmann wrote: > The trick is that you have to hit ^R for Rich Hdr (cursor in the header > area) when composing a message in order to activate your extra header. My apologies. It appears that headers which have text after the colon such as what the original post proposed go out whether or not you hit ^R -- or at least that has been my experience this evening. ^R is only necessary if you put in a header but not text after it, such as Return-Receipt-To: rather than Return-Receipt-To: xx@yy.zz The first you would use (in conjunction with ^R) if you plan to get a receipt sometimes on specific pieces of mail in the future. The second you would set up, if you want *every* piece of mail that you send to send a receipt to xx@yy.zz. Please let me know if these are not the facts, as I don't want to spread any misinformation. Ian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jun 8 06:45:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04431; Thu, 8 Jun 95 06:45:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15342; Thu, 8 Jun 95 04:31:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15336; Thu, 8 Jun 95 04:31:39 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id HAA14864; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 07:31:20 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA18081; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 07:31:13 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA27219; Thu, 8 Jun 95 07:29:49 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 07:29:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: "G. Graham" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU WORK MIME? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1915846483-91713412-802610986=:26858" Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1915846483-91713412-802610986=:26858 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, G. Graham wrote: > es please, mail me a copy. I'm usinf sunos Unix. > Thanks...and iftghis helps you my own computer is a 386 sx > I've attached mpack and munpack (sun executables) and corresponding man pages. Since you are actually running on your Unix server, it doesn't matter that your own computer is a 386. Good luck. 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