From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 00:13:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08376; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:13:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13293; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:06:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13287; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:06:32 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 1 Mar 95 15:31:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:31:41 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Q] Exporting messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Mar 1995 fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu wrote: > Is there a way to export multiple messages into one file? That is, > maybe select more than one mail message and typing "e", write them to > a file? > > I'm using v 3.89, but I will also welcome an answer if using 4.91, > we're upgrading soon. pine 3.91 ; n (or other selections) 1-7 or 1,5,9,12 a e Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 00:25:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08663; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:25:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09920; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:20:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09914; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:20:08 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 1 Mar 95 15:29:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:29:07 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Thomas Ulich Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Mail Check Interval In-Reply-To: <3j01sb$8j9@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 Feb 1995, Thomas Ulich wrote: > Reading the man page of pine, I just found out that pine looks for new mail > every 2.5 min, or after a screen refresh (C-L), for example. Is there a way > to change that 2.5 min interval? Look in the pine directory at the os.h file. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 00:28:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08757; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:28:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13500; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:23:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from wishful.weizmann.ac.il by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13494; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:23:02 -0800 Received: from wizard.weizmann.ac.il (wizard-gate.weizmann.ac.il [132.76.63.23]) by wishful.weizmann.ac.il (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA159494 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:22:49 +0300 From: Botez Camelia Received: from localhost (camelia@localhost) by wizard.weizmann.ac.il (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA51663 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:23:21 +0300 Message-Id: <199503010723.KAA51663@wizard.weizmann.ac.il> Subject: pine3.9 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:23:21 +0300 (WET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 518 Hello , My name is Camelia Botez and I'm working in Weizmann Institute , Physics Dep. I'm trying to install pine and pico-3.91 but when I'm compiling pine I get the message: cc -Ae +O3 -DSYSTYPE=\"HPP\" -c addrbook.c Signal 11: segmentation violation *** Error code 1 Stop. I hope that maybe you can help me to solve this problem. Thank you and sorry to disturb you . -- Camelia Botez Computing center resp - Departament of Physics. E-Mail address camelia@wishful.weizmann.ac.il Tel. 08 - 343288. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 03:26:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13757; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:26:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15965; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:18:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15959; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:18:46 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:15:23 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA04242; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:17:28 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:17:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: [Q] Exporting messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Upgrade to Pine 3.91. You then get a wonderful set of commands available called Select (;), Apply (A) and Zoom (Z). Select lets you select messages using a variety of criteria (and also to broaden (OR) or narrow (AND) searches using different criteria). Once you have selected some messages you can use the Apply command to apply another command to the entire selection (eg, A E will apply an export command to the selected messages). Zoom limits the index list to just the selected messages (letting you concentrate on those without getting distracted by others). Note that these commands are "power-user" commands: they are not available by default. You must enable them in the Configuration screen (S then C from the Main Menu) by setting the "enable-aggregate-command-set" option. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On 1 Mar 1995 fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu wrote: > Is there a way to export multiple messages into one file? That is, > maybe select more than one mail message and typing "e", write them to > a file? > > I'm using v 3.89, but I will also welcome an answer if using 4.91, > we're upgrading soon. > === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 04:01:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14580; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:01:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12782; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:48:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12776; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:48:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjmpM-00038FC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thu@satellite.oulu.fi (Thomas Ulich) Subject: Addressbook list layout Date: 1 Mar 1995 08:42:26 GMT Message-Id: <3j1c1j$7md@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! I would like to customize the addressbook table in pine which you get by hitting A in the main menu. After defining an alias I usually forget/do not need to remember the e-mail address(es) behind it. Instead of that I would like to see the comments and maybe even the Fcc definition, in order to maintain the list more easily. What about having a customizable addressbook-entry-table in pine? ...or do I miss some already existing feature? Regards from one of those guys who left the path of wisdom (elm) to explore new mail dimensions never known before (/bin/mail, not really), -- Thomas Ulich Tel.: ++358-(9)81-554 7042 !!!NEW: thomas.ulich@oulu.fi Inuits say: He who looks long upon the aurora soon goes mad. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 04:21:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15812; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:21:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16930; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:13:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16924; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:13:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjn9i-00038CC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andrew Lowery Subject: Re: Catching up on news articles Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:02:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Andrew Lowery wrote: > How does one mark all of the postings in a particular newsgroup as read > in pine. In rn, for instance, the keystroke is "c", to catch-up on all > articles. Any help will be appreciated. > 1. Go to main Pine menu, choose Setup; select "configure": In selection menu, place "x" in "Enable aggregate command set". 2. In any newsgroup, to catch up or to delete a range of articles, various aggregate commands are available. To delete all the articles, type ;aad which translates "select all, apply delete". Thanks to Garland Boyd for this one... -Andrew Lowery From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 04:52:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16671; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:52:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17271; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:42:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17265; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:42:29 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA18212 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:42:27 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA06496; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:40:57 EST Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:40:56 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: Mark Steele Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to go to top/bottom of large file? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII use search (W in view mode, ^W in compose) and then ^Y for top ^V for bottom. On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Mark Steele wrote: > So, HOW do you to go to top/bottom of large file? (In 1 or 2 keystrokes?) > -- > -------------- > Mark R. Steele > mrs@cts.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 05:02:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16992; Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:02:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13833; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:49:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13827; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:49:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjnpn-00038FC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwards%teaching.physics@ox.ac.uk (David Edwards) Subject: Re: Distribution: header line? Message-Id: <1995Mar1.004838.1596@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:48:37 GMT Paul Jones (pej@chrh.org) wrote: > I noticed that PINE was not putting "Distribution:" headers in news articles. > Thinking this might be a problem, I noticed that _many_ people do not > use "Distribution:" headers. Is this an obsolete header line or is > "world" the default when one is not otherwise specified? For world distribution, the Distribution: header should either be left blank, or left out completely. -- _ _ ==========////==================================================== / //// David Edwards: Welcome to the real world... \ || _ _ //// http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~worc0058/ || || \\\\ //// edwards.teaching@physics.oxford.ac.uk || \ \\\X/// dwe101@tower.york.ac.uk Don't believe the hype... / ====\XXX/========================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 06:42:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20010; Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:42:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18969; Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:35:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18963; Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:35:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjpS4-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: How to go to top/bottom of large file? Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:13:32 GMT On Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:24:26 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, mrs@crash.cts.com (parading as Mark Steele) managed to electronically scribble: % So, HOW do you to go to top/bottom of large file? (In 1 or 2 keystrokes?) Try ^W (WhereIs) and then ^V (LastLine). +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Alternate: laniege@mail.auburn.edu | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 07:13:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21119; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:13:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15941; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:04:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15935; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:04:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjpts-00038CC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: application/x-dvi Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:10:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT In-Reply-To: Pine 3.92 will support the .mime-types file for defining MIME types... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Robert Gervais wrote: > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:34:47 GMT > From: Robert Gervais > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: application/x-dvi > > Hi, > > I'm a new pine user and I have tried to send a message with a dvi file > as an attachment but the MIME label generated has been > "application/octet-stream". Is it a way to specify manually the MIME > label or to configure pine to be able to recognize the dvi file ? > -- > Robert Gervais Tel: (514) 987-6106 > Université du Québec à Montréal Fax: (514) 987-8477 > Service de l'Informatique e-mail: gervais.robert@uqam.ca > C.P. 8888, Succursale A > Montréal P.Q. > H3C 3P8 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 07:57:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22597; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:57:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21077; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:49:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21071; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:49:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjqax-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hadzivukovic@redash.qut.edu.au Subject: Test Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:52:27 GMT Message-Id: <3j0uj6$heo@stork.qut.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is just a test From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 08:39:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25220; Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:39:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17866; Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:24:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17860; Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:24:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjrAV-00038WC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: Pine hangs up on NFS IRIX mailbox Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:28:19 Message-Id: References: In article Gildas PERROT writes: >Hi, >I have problems to read e-mail on NFS mailbox directory with Pine 3.91 >under IRIX 5.3. I got a patch from SGI to solve problems with NFS and >mail lock file but this one just solves the problem for 'Mail' reader, >not for Pine. When pine tries to read mail in an NFS mailbox, it hangs >up. I didn't have this problem under IRIX 4.0.5. However, I recompiled >Pine under 5.3 without more success. I know that I can use IMAP from >Pine but I would prefer NFS for several reasons. >Does anyone solve this problem ? Thanks in advance for help. >Gildas. ># Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique ># Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o ># e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, ># Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) You may want to build your pine with the MBOX driver: /usr/src/pine3.91> ./build sgi EXTRADRIVERS=mbox We have our mail spool NFS mounted. By the way, MAIL_ATT doesn't work with an NFS-mounted mail spool which is not exported with root permission. MAIL_BSD does work fine, though. --matt ============================================================================== matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. cecs department | long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 09:43:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29408; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:43:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19761; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:34:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19755; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:34:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjsDn-00038ZC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gbcacm@ccs.neu.edu (Peter Sherwood) Subject: How to convert Unix mail file to pine? Date: 1 Mar 1995 16:16:34 GMT Message-Id: <3j26l2$rse@narnia.ccs.neu.edu> Having started out with SunOS' version of mail, I have a large file of messages (mbox). I'd like to convert these to pine. Pine seems to be able to read them, but when I save and delete messages, they reappear in the mail-created folder with dates "xxx"-ed. Anyone know how to do the conversion? As a related question, I'd like to have pine store my messages in order by date of receipt, so when I open a folder, it's already in order. I do not want to have the folder sorted when it's opened, as this can take too long (and is a waste of computer resources). As far as I can tell, once a message enters a folder, its physical position in the file is fixed. Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Sherwood (617) 332-8880 (voice) (617) 332-1675 (fax) gbcacm@ccs.neu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 09:52:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29860; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:52:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23325; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:15:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from balder.ssds.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23319; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:15:40 -0800 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id KAA10812 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:13:57 -0700 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma010810; Wed Mar 1 10:13:42 1995 Received: from pc_emb (pc_emb.denver.ssds.com [134.127.17.18]) by denver.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) with SMTP id KAA03470 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:13:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199503011713.KAA03470@denver.ssds.com> X-Sender: emb@denver.ssds.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 10:13:26 -0700 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: emb@ssds.com (Edwin M. Barnes) Subject: Read Receipt in pine Hi! How do I set up pine to do read reciepts? Edwin M. Barnes (emb@ssds.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 11:49:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05373; Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:49:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22703; Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:40:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22697; Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:40:11 -0800 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA04532; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:39:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Juanita Fischer X-Sender: juanfisc@netcom2 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Way to check for new mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to check for new mail from the command line without entering pine? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 12:35:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07424; Wed, 1 Mar 95 12:35:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27733; Wed, 1 Mar 95 12:24:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27727; Wed, 1 Mar 95 12:24:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjuth-00038CC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 12:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: VAX3300/Ultrix4.1 Port Question Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:55:31 -0800 Message-Id: References: <1995Feb28.225534.16147@zeus.franklin.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Feb28.225534.16147@zeus.franklin.edu> Try the "vul" port... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Robert Vermilyer wrote: > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:55:34 GMT > From: Robert Vermilyer > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: VAX3300/Ultrix4.1 Port Question > > I am trying to port to a VAX3300 running Ultrix version 4.1. Using > "build ult" pico installed fine, however pine did not. The following > problems developed. Any thoughts/solutions would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Making c-client library, mtest and imapd > > > ... > > > >cc -g3 -O2 -Olimit 800 -Dconst= -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a -lauth > >cc: warning: -g disables -O > >ld:800: cannot open > >*** Error code 4 > > > >Stop. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > ... > >Making Pine. > ... > >cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"ULT\" -c other.c > >"other.c", line 597: operands of * have incompatible types > >"other.c", line 1802: operands of * have incompatible types > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > > > >Links to executables are in bin directory: > >size: bin/pine not found > >size: bin/mtest not found > >size: bin/imapd not found > >text data bss dec hex > >133120 27648 14256 175024 2abb0 bin/pico > >Done > > -Bob Vermilyer > > -- > > Bob Vermilyer > vermil@franklin.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 16:48:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22394; Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:48:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29971; Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:26:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29965; Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:26:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjyfd-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Sending files to message from unix? unencode? Date: 1 Mar 95 04:02:42 GMT Message-Id: References: joseph@ritz.mordor.com (Joseph Limandri) writes: > I have a unix account in my school and a email/newsgroup only >account at home. How can I send my self files in messages. Can pine >auttomattically uuencode them for me. If not can I do it my self from >the unix prompt?....and how? The easiest way is to uuencode them at the UNIX prompt level. Then when you in compose mode, include the file with the editor. You may have to break the uuencoded file into parts to fit into pico or to get through the mail. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 19:33:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28086; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:33:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03329; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:18:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03323; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:18:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk1Hn-00038FC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bagwill@sst.ncsl.nist.gov (Bob Bagwill) Subject: will pine assemble split messages? Date: 1 Mar 1995 20:23:10 GMT Message-Id: <3j2l3e$isl@dove.nist.gov> Will pine assemble split messages? If so, how do you invoke that capability? Thanks. -- Bob Bagwill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 19:34:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28121; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:34:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03455; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:26:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03449; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:26:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk1MO-00038HC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: printing addressbook; Ctrl ^ not working Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:40:29 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Our Cisco terminal server has it's escape char set as Ctrl ^ x (Control caret, followed by the letter x). As a result we have to hit Control caret twice in order for it to mark a block since the first one gets swallowed up by the terminal server. Joshua Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu On Sun, 26 Feb 1995, Glenn E. Lanier wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:15:22 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, h9397584@hkusub > (parading as Michael Agelasto) managed to electronically scribble: > > % 2/ I am unable to mark and cut text (Ctrl ^). Someone mentioned this is > % a previous posting, but I don't recall a reply. > > Mke sure you are doing , in lab, Crtl ^ works, but > on my pc, I have to include the shift. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 19:35:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28150; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:35:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03469; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:27:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03463; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:27:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk1Of-00038KC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: [Q] Exporting messages Date: 1 Mar 95 04:05:06 GMT Message-Id: References: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu writes: >Is there a way to export multiple messages into one file? That is, >maybe select more than one mail message and typing "e", write them to >a file? >I'm using v 3.89, but I will also welcome an answer if using 4.91, >we're upgrading soon. > === Al Easy with 3.91 using select(;) and (a)pply. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 19:48:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28454; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:48:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03692; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:41:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03686; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:41:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk1j2-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johnp@akeake.its.vuw.ac.nz (John Pettigrew) Subject: Re: REading pine mail off-line? Date: 1 Mar 1995 04:15:12 GMT Message-Id: <3j0scg$c7t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> References: Juanita Fischer (juanfisc@netcom.com) wrote: : Is it possible for me to download my inbox from my UNIX shell account to : read the mail off-line on my PC? Would PCPINE accomplish this? How : would I do it? Thanks in advance for your help. Exactly what I want to do too. Have you made any progress? I am working along the following tracks: 1. PCPINE - As far as I can see, that won't even set up unless your PC has a domain name etc, ie won't work with a shell account. Correct me if wrong... 2. There are off-line readers available. YARN is widely used. Don't know if it works with Pine. Anyone know? I am about to download it and experiment. 3. The Pine folders have a specific structure, described in tech-notes. I have thought of feeding it through a text manipulation program and then into a database (fields would be From, To, Date, Subject, and a Memo field for the message). I can see broadly how to do this, but time, time ... Cheers, -- John Pettigrew .............................. .......... Business planning & communications 14 Fairview Crescent Wellington New Zealand John.Pettigrew@vuw.ac.nz Ph (064 4) 475-9244 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 21:10:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00366; Wed, 1 Mar 95 21:10:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09098; Wed, 1 Mar 95 21:01:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09092; Wed, 1 Mar 95 21:01:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk2yl-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 20:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: PCPINE hanging on opening INBOX -- help Date: 1 Mar 1995 16:58:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3j2qmk$f1h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I'm using the ncsa packet driver for ne2000. telnet works fine, so does ftp, although it complains about an invalid packet driver vector. So, config.tel seems to be ok, and configtel= is set properly. But, when I put the {host.domain} in the pinerc path to INBOX, PCOINE_P can't open the inbox. If I then go into setup and configure and change the path to {ip.address}, return and attempt to read the inbox, pine makes the connection, and things seem to be fine. If I then exit PINE, and try to run it again, with the path set to {ip.address}, it hangs at opening INBOX -- requiring a reset. If I manually edit the pinerc file back to {host.domain}, it will at least come up, although, again, it can't find the inbox until I go through setup, etc., etc. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com Mote Marine Laboratory, 1600 Thompson Parkway, Sarasota FL 34236 Voice: 813-388-4441 Fax: 813-388-4312 We are an independent, nonprofit marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed herein are not those of MML unless specifically so indicated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 02:15:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07391; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:15:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08847; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:05:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from actcom.co.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08841; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:05:33 -0800 Received: from galtronics.UUCP by actcom.co.il with UUCP:galtronics (8.6.8/actcom-0.1) id MAA23026 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:05:20 +0200 (rfc931-sender: uucp@localhost) Received: by aviion.galtronics.co.il (5.4R2.10/ACTCOM-GALTRONICS-S-1.0) id AA03329; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:43:17 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:43:17 GMT From: khamis@galtronics.co.il (Ala Khamis) Message-Id: <9503021143.AA03329@aviion.galtronics.co.il> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu March 2, 1995 To whom it may concern, My name is Al Khamis, I am the System Administrator at Galtronics LTD. in Israel. I got throw uucp a tar file called: pine3.91_heb2.03. At my company we have Data General Unix System 5.4R2.10 that works in the Aviion 5500 server. I tried compiling the source code for pine along with pico, mtest and imapd packages that came with the tar file. Well as you see below only pico worked, but the rest did not, but I did not succeed. Pine is an excelant E-mail program, and we at Galtronics would love to use it, so if anybody can help us to figure out why is it not compiling, we will be very thankfull. here is the script I made while compiling: Script started on Tue Feb 28 09:08:54 1995 Aviion Bourne Shell > [?1h=./bi uild d-g[?1l> make args are "CC=cc" UX:ln: ERROR: Cannot create c-client: File exists UX:ln: ERROR: Cannot create imapd: File exists Making c-client library, mtest and imapd make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=d-g echo d-g > OSTYPE rm -rf systype ln -s ANSI systype cd ANSI/c-client; make d-g make mtest OS=d-g EXTRADRIVERS="" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ RSH=restsh RSHPATH=/usr/bin/restsh \ CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= " RANLIB=true ./drivers imap nntp pop3 mh mtx tenex mmdf bezerk news phile dummy rm -f OSTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h echo d-g > OSTYPE echo -g -Dconst= > CFLAGS echo > LDFLAGS ln -s os_d-g.h osdep.h cc -g -Dconst= -c mail.c cc -g -Dconst= -c bezerk.c cc -g -Dconst= -c mtx.c cc -g -Dconst= -c tenex2.c cc -g -Dconst= -c mbox.c cc -g -Dconst= -c mh.c cc -g -Dconst= -c mmdf.c cc -g -Dconst= -c imap2.c cc -g -Dconst= -c pop3.c cc -g -Dconst= -c news.c cc -g -Dconst= -c nntpcunx.c cc -g -Dconst= -c phile.c cc -g -Dconst= -c dummy.c cc -g -Dconst= -c smtp.c cc -g -Dconst= -c nntp.c cc -g -Dconst= -c rfc822.c cc -g -Dconst= -c misc.c cc -g -Dconst= -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto \ -DRSH=\"restsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/restsh\" \ -c os_d-g.c tcp_unix.c: In function `tcp_open': In file included from os_d-g.c:58: tcp_unix.c:114: incompatible types in assignment os_d-g.c: In function `portable_utime': os_d-g.c:78: storage size of `times' isn't known Fatal error in /usr/lib/gcc/cc1 Exit status 041 *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Making Pico rm -f osdep.c cp os_unix.c osdep.c rm -f osdep.h cp os_unix.h osdep.h cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O attach.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O ansi.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O basic.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O bind.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O browse.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O buffer.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O composer.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O display.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O file.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O fileio.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O line.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O osdep.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O pico.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O random.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O region.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O search.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O spell.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O tinfo.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O window.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O word.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O htext.c ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tinfo.o window.o word.o htext.o ar: creating libpico.a true libpico.a cc -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL main.c mtext.c libpico.a -lnsl_s -lgen -lcurses -o pico main.c: mtext.c: Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c addrbook.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c adrbklib.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c args.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c context.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c filter.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c folder.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c help.c ./cmplhelp.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c helptext.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c imap.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c init.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailcap.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailcmd.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailindx.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailpart.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailview.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c newmail.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c other.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c pine.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c print.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c reply.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c screen.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c send.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c signals.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c status.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c strings.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c ttyin.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c ttyout.c cd osdep; make includer os-sv4.c; cd .. cc -o includer includer.c ./includer < os-sv4.ic > os-sv4.c rm -f os.c ln -s osdep/os-sv4.c os.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c os.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mtext.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c htext.c Make: Don't know how to make ../c-client/c-client.a. Stop. Links to executables are in bin directory: bin/pine: cannot open size: bin/pine: cannot open size: bin/mtest: cannot open size: bin/imapd: cannot open bin/pico: 126768 + 49436 + 6244 = 182448 Done Aviion Bourne Shell > [?1h=exit[?1l> script done on Tue Feb 28 09:25:15 1995 here is a copy of our "utime.h" whic is in our /usr/include directory: /********************************************************** * Copyright (C) Data General Corporation, 1984 - 1992 * * All Rights Reserved. * * Licensed Material-Property of Data General Corporation. * * This software is made available solely pursuant to the * * terms of a DGC license agreement which governs its use. * **********************************************************/ /* <@(#) utime.h,v 5.1.1.2> */ /* Copyright (c) 1988 AT&T */ /* All Rights Reserved */ /* THIS IS UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE OF AT&T */ /* The copyright notice above does not evidence any */ /* actual or intended publication of such source code. */ /* #ident "@(#)head:utime.h 1.3" */ #ifndef _UTIME_H /* Prevent multiple inclusions of this file */ #define _UTIME_H #ifndef ___int_features_h #include #endif #ifdef _TARGETTING_M88KBCS_OR_M88KOCS_OR_DGUX #ifdef _USING_POSIX_OR_XPG3_OR_SYSV4_OR_DGUX #ifndef ___int_utime_h #include #endif _EXTERN int utime _PROTO_ARGS((const char *, const struct utimbuf *)); #endif /* #ifdef _USING_POSIX_OR_XPG3_OR_SYSV4_OR_DGUX */ #endif /* #ifdef _TARGETTING_M88KBCS_OR_M88KOCS_OR_DGUX */ #endif /* #ifndef _UTIME_H */ Sincerly yours A. Khamis Galtronics LTD. khamis@galtronics.co.il root@galtronics.co.il From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 02:54:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08115; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:54:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09217; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:38:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09211; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:38:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk8Bb-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vermil@zeus.franklin.edu (Robert Vermilyer) Subject: Porting to VAX3300/Ultrix ? Message-Id: <1995Mar2.013944.26723@zeus.franklin.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:39:44 GMT In porting to a VAX3300 running Ultrix 4.1 I encountered the following problem: cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c other.c "other.c", line 597: operands of * have incompatible types "other.c", line 1802: operands of * have incompatible types *** Error code 1 Stop. Any suggestions/solutions? -Bob Vermilyer -- Bob Vermilyer vermil@franklin.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 02:58:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08185; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:58:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09310; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:45:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from is1.hk.super.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09304; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:45:35 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA02930 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:45:26 +0800 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:45:26 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung To: Juanita Fischer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Way to check for new mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Juanita Fischer wrote: > Is there a way to check for new mail from the command line without > entering pine? That is what I do... use pico to edit a text file containing the following: finger.sun keviny|grep "New mail" finger.sun keviny|grep unread finger.sun keviny|grep Unread finger.sun keviny|grep "Mail last read" Substitute finger.sun and keviny with your local finger command and your user-id respectively. Then, type "chmod u+x " to make it executable. I hope this helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---- Kevin Yeung | | / / | | / / keviny@hk.super.net | | / / keviny@hk.linkage.net | |/ / gl191@cleveland.freenet.edu | \ | |\ \ ---- "Love me, that's all I ask of you" | | \ \ / / | | \ V / ---- \ / / / / / ----/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 06:20:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13235; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:20:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16348; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:06:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16342; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:06:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkBSD-00038CC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: teal@netcom.com (TEAL@netcom.com) Subject: Headers Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:22:00 GMT Is it possible to insert a new line in the Pine header to include information that wouldn't normally appear in the header? Your e-mail response is appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- \\\ |~~~~"Nemo me impune~~~~| @-oo |_______lacessit."______| //_< `> < ) __/ ~ \ / / Jodi Danzig (TEAL@netcom.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 06:51:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14014; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:51:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12361; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:32:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12355; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:32:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkBrg-00038CC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lackie@civl6000a.civil.queensu.ca (Kevin Lackie) Subject: printing problems Date: 2 Mar 1995 14:08:57 GMT Message-Id: <3j4jhp$htq@knot.queensu.ca> I am having a problem printing email messages using the attached to ansi printer option in the setup menu.I am currently using windows and the trumpet winsock software to telnet to our unix server where pine 3.90 resides. This print feature used to work using telnet in cutcp (Clarkson U.) software in dos to connect so I know it isn't a printer prob. Any help would be appreciated.... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 07:08:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14428; Thu, 2 Mar 95 07:08:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17314; Thu, 2 Mar 95 07:03:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mbunix.mitre.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17308; Thu, 2 Mar 95 07:03:33 -0800 Received: from egret.mitre.org (egret.mitre.org [129.83.61.27]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07190 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:03:32 -0500 Received: (from cseymour@localhost) by egret.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA22607; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:03:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:03:32 -0500 From: Chip Seymour Message-Id: <199503021503.KAA22607@egret.mitre.org> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine vs. sendmail 8.6.10 Forgive me if this is redundant; I rarely visit. Pine apparently generates a ^J as part of a mail message. I don't know enough about it to know why, but sendmail 8.6.10 "repairs" this and generates warnings in my syslog. (This is a result of the CERT advisory 95:05) Is someone working on this, or, is there something I can suggest to our users so this is no longer a problem? Chip Seymour (cseymour@mitre.org) SysAdmin The MITRE Corp Bedford MA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 10:06:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22241; Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:06:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21119; Thu, 2 Mar 95 09:53:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21113; Thu, 2 Mar 95 09:53:07 -0800 Received: from WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU by WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU (PMDF V4.3-13 #8782) id <01HNNT8B3SNKQO8N05@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; Thu, 02 Mar 1995 12:52:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 12:52:49 -0500 (EST) From: Rachid Boukhliq Subject: Best pine for Mac To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Please tell me what's the latest version of Pine that I can use on a Mac. Also, how do I subscribe to pine news group? Thank you kindly \\|// Rachid Boukhliq (o o) ==========================================================w===U===w======= Voice: 1-304-293-1497 Fax:1-304-293-3850 eMail: boukhli@wvnvms.wvnet.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 12:00:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00357; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:00:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19573; Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:48:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from thurgood.USCOURTS.GOV by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19567; Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:48:44 -0800 Received: from pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov by thurgood.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rkGrd-00027qC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:48 EST Received: from dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov by pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rkGos-0000DvC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:45 EST Received: by dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0rkGrP-000DdWC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:48 EST Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:48:31 -0500 (EST) From: "J. Lynn Hilton" To: Ala Khamis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <9503021143.AA03329@aviion.galtronics.co.il> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Ala Khamis wrote: > March 2, 1995 > > > To whom it may concern, > > My name is Al Khamis, I am the System Administrator at Galtronics LTD. > in Israel. > I got throw uucp a tar file called: pine3.91_heb2.03. At my > company we have Data General Unix System 5.4R2.10 that works in the > Aviion 5500 server. I tried compiling the source code for pine along > with pico, mtest and imapd packages that came with the tar file. Well as > you see below only pico worked, but the rest did not, but I did not succeed. > Pine is an excelant E-mail program, and we at Galtronics would love to > use it, so if anybody can help us to figure out why is it not compiling, we > will be very thankfull. I just finished compiling Pine 3.91 on our AV5225+ running DG/UX 5.4R3.00, and had the very same problem. I resolved it by adding two lines into the file pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.h as follows: #define MAILFILE "/var/mail/%s" #define ACTIVEFILE "/var/news/active" #define NEWSSPOOL "/var/spool/news" #define NFSKLUDGE #include #include #include #include #include #include #include /* for struct tm */ #include /* needed for writev() prototypes */ #include #include /* FIRST INSERTED LINE */ #define flock dg_flock #undef utime /* SECOND INSERTED LINE */ #define utime portable_utime int portable_utime (char *file,time_t timep[2]); #include "env_unix.h" #include "fs.h" #include "ftl.h" #include "nl.h" #include "tcp.h" I then executed ./build clean followed by ./build d-g. Please let me know if this does not fix the problem in 5.4R2.01. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & J. Lynn Hilton | Internet: jlh@ao.uscourts.gov & & Concept Automation Services, Inc. | or: lhilton@concept.com & & AOUSC, One Columbus Circle, N.E. | Voice: 202-273-2413 & & Washington, DC 20544 | FAX: 202-273-2356 & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 12:55:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03217; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:55:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25679; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:39:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mbunix.mitre.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25673; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:39:48 -0800 Received: from egret.mitre.org (egret.mitre.org [129.83.61.27]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA28522 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:39:46 -0500 Received: (from cseymour@localhost) by egret.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA22958 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:39:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:39:46 -0500 From: Chip Seymour Message-Id: <199503022039.PAA22958@egret.mitre.org> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine vs. sendmail 8.6.10 Hello, Re: Mail from "Michael J. Corrigan" > THis is not a pine problem. Yes, I know. What I'm after is, perhaps, some sort of option that might go in pine.conf or .pinerc that suppresses the addition of the ^J until things get straightened out. > 8.6.11 comes out soon. Oh? Are you familiar with what 8.6.11 will do, i.e. does it have a fix for this problem? > You can comment out the warning on lines 1540-1544 of util.c ... I'll have to tolerate it, thanks. chip From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 13:16:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04529; Thu, 2 Mar 95 13:16:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20624; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:27:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20618; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:27:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA16081; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:27:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199503022027.MAA16081@weber.ucsd.edu> To: Chip Seymour Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Reply-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine vs. sendmail 8.6.10 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:03:32 -0500." <199503021503.KAA22607@egret.mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <16039.794176065.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 12:27:48 -0800 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" THis is not a pine problem. You can comment out the warning on lines 1540-1544 of util.c in the 8.6.10 code until 8.6.11 comes out soon. > Forgive me if this is redundant; I rarely visit. > > Pine apparently generates a ^J as part of a mail message. I don't know enough > about it to know why, but sendmail 8.6.10 "repairs" this and generates warnin gs > in my syslog. > > (This is a result of the CERT advisory 95:05) > > Is someone working on this, or, is there something I can suggest to our users > so this is no longer a problem? > > Chip Seymour (cseymour@mitre.org) > SysAdmin > The MITRE Corp > Bedford MA > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 15:05:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08562; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:05:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28322; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:34:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28314; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:34:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkJEk-000396C; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gildas PERROT Subject: Re: Pine hangs up on NFS IRIX mailbox Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:39:11 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Hi, I just have mounted mail directory with nfs3 instead of nfs and my problem has disapeared. Gildas. # Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique # Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o # e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, # Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) On 28 Feb 1995, Matthew Black wrote: > In article Gildas PERROT writes: > >Hi, > >I have problems to read e-mail on NFS mailbox directory with Pine 3.91 > >under IRIX 5.3. I got a patch from SGI to solve problems with NFS and > >mail lock file but this one just solves the problem for 'Mail' reader, > >not for Pine. When pine tries to read mail in an NFS mailbox, it hangs > >up. I didn't have this problem under IRIX 4.0.5. However, I recompiled > >Pine under 5.3 without more success. I know that I can use IMAP from > >Pine but I would prefer NFS for several reasons. > > >Does anyone solve this problem ? Thanks in advance for help. > >Gildas. > ># Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique > ># Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o > ># e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, > ># Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) > > You may want to build your pine with the MBOX driver: > /usr/src/pine3.91> ./build sgi EXTRADRIVERS=mbox > > We have our mail spool NFS mounted. By the way, MAIL_ATT doesn't work > with an NFS-mounted mail spool which is not exported with root permission. > MAIL_BSD does work fine, though. > > --matt > ============================================================================== > matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and > california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. > cecs department | > long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu > ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 15:18:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09061; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:18:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24120; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:04:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24114; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:04:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkJq8-00038FC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:14:58 -0500 Message-Id: References: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> In-Reply-To: David L Miller writes: > One of the advantages of using a dedicated IMAP server without shell > access is that we can safely switch to a more efficient format for mail > folders (Tenex). Without Tenex, the IMAP servers would use much more > memory and do more paging... Or you could use the Cyrus IMAP server, which uses an even more efficient format for mail folders. See http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/cyrus/cyrus for more information. SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu writes: > And Fourth, assuming students have non-shell access to usenet, how > would they store their personal subscriptions > (server, diskette, ... )? If the users access usenet through the IMAP server, their personal subscriptions are stored on the IMAP server. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 15:51:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10108; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:51:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24800; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:37:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24794; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:37:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkK0m-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jmurphy@pinot.callamer.com (Jason Murphy) Subject: .kill file? Date: 1 Mar 1995 20:32:44 GMT Message-Id: <3j2llc$kht@clue.callamer.com> How do I go about making a textfile (or in PINE) that deletes mail from certain people, whos name is in the file. I beleive it is called a .killfile jmurphy@slonet.org -- ****************************************************************************** jmurphy@slonet.org | No one may like me, but your mom sure as hell loves me! Finger for PGP Key.| ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 16:15:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11267; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:15:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00505; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:07:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00499; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:07:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkKu3-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Variable for sender name? Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:45:50 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3j416k$cag@columba.udac.uu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j416k$cag@columba.udac.uu.se> Just set saved-msg-name-rule=by-sender in the Setup/Config screen... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Mar 1995, Stefan Berg wrote: > Date: 2 Mar 1995 08:55:48 GMT > From: Stefan Berg > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Variable for sender name? > > > > I was just wondering if it is possible to set the > default saving folder to something like > > mail/[$sender] > > in order to give the default saving folder the > name of the sender. Example: > > I get a mail from someone@nowhere.world, and > want to save it. Pine should then suggest the > saving folder 'someone'. > > If this is possible I would be MOST grateful > for e-mail reply or a posting in this group. > > Thank you for your help! > > -- > ------------------------------------------------- > Stefan Berg > > <+070-7561297> > Student at the Computer Science Department of the > University of Uppsala, Sweden > ------------------------------------------------- > ************************************************* > It's better to burn out than to fade away! > ************************************************* > [Kurgan, The Highlander] > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 16:41:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12693; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:41:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25985; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:27:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25979; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:27:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkLCG-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Headers Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:50:30 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Yes, use the customized-hdrs entry in the Setup/Config screen (Pine 3.90 and up). |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, TEAL@netcom.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:22:00 GMT > From: TEAL@netcom.com > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Headers > > Is it possible to insert a new line in the Pine header to include > information that wouldn't normally appear in the header? Your > e-mail response is appreciated. Thanks in advance. > -- > \\\ |~~~~"Nemo me impune~~~~| > @-oo |_______lacessit."______| > //_< `> < ) > __/ ~ \ / / Jodi Danzig (TEAL@netcom.com) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 17:51:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15771; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:51:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02630; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:32:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02624; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:32:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkMBn-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: .kill file? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:13:04 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3j2llc$kht@clue.callamer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j2llc$kht@clue.callamer.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Pine does not yet have .killfile support... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 1 Mar 1995, Jason Murphy wrote: > Date: 1 Mar 1995 20:32:44 GMT > From: Jason Murphy > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: .kill file? > > How do I go about making a textfile (or in PINE) that deletes mail from > certain people, whos name is in the file. I beleive it is called a .killfile > > jmurphy@slonet.org > > -- > ****************************************************************************** > jmurphy@slonet.org | No one may like me, but your mom sure as hell loves me! > Finger for PGP Key.| > ****************************************************************************** > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL1Txdt/IU4uTDdHNAQGrBwH+KUypVN437o8KByUlKndA0OFIozD8QQHn +gJWb8hTXdM6PucHwCwefjz177Nn72RILSqelqnYYStBwuRdwAUXpQ== =MbDc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 23:20:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23527; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:20:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02527; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:14:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02521; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:14:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkRVN-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mkyan@cs.cuhk.hk (Forrest Gump) Subject: pine.debug What is it? Date: 2 Mar 1995 04:13:48 GMT Message-Id: <3j3gls$enb@eng_ser1.erg.cuhk.hk> I just found out that there are some files called pine.debug?, in which the ? goes from 1 to 4. Is there anyone out there can tell me what kind of files are they. Martin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 23:53:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24379; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:53:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08008; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:49:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08002; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:49:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkS4U-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: atlas@alpha.bin-sixx.com (Atlas Computer Systems) Subject: WD_1_GIG_DRIVE Date: 2 Mar 1995 17:21:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3j5gcr$dtd@alpha.bin-sixx.com> *********************************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** Atlas Computer Systems is pleased to announce the arrival of the Western Digital Caviar AC31000 1.08 GB EIDE hard drive for the unbelievably low price of $389 plus $10 shipping and handling. 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We look forward to hearing from you. *********************************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 00:33:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25198; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:33:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08473; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:30:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08464; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:30:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkSfy-00038FC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Lipscomb Subject: Pine and commercial services Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:37:19 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, is it possible to use Pine with a commercial service mail system such as Compuserve, Prodigy, America Online, etc.? thanks, -Mike- ****************************************************************************** Michael Lipscomb Computing and Telecommunications, Room 789 voice: 901 448 5042 University of Tennessee, Memphis fax: 901 448 8199 877 Madison internet: mlipscom@utds01.utmem.edu Memphis TN 38163 ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 00:35:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25292; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:35:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03543; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:29:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03537; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:29:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkSfR-00038RC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Lipscomb Subject: Re: Way to check for new mail Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:34:11 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Also, if you are running Unix you can use the "from" command. (from the man page) Name from - identifies sender of mail Syntax from [-f mailbox] [-s sender] Description The from command prints out the mail header lines in a mailbox file to show you who has sent mail to you. -Mike- ****************************************************************************** Michael Lipscomb Computing and Telecommunications, Room 789 voice: 901 448 5042 University of Tennessee, Memphis fax: 901 448 8199 877 Madison internet: mlipscom@utds01.utmem.edu Memphis TN 38163 ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 00:48:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25598; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:48:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03804; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:45:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03798; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:45:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkSs9-00038ZC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Lipscomb Subject: editing mail in Pine Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:03:51 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, is it possible to edit existing email message in Pine? I have some where I'd like to edit the headers. can I do this in Pine or must I do this outside of Pine? -Mike- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 01:01:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25979; Fri, 3 Mar 95 01:01:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08824; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:57:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08818; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:57:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkT5C-00038DC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s93sbe@csd.uu.se (Stefan Berg) Subject: Variable for sender name? Date: 2 Mar 1995 08:55:48 GMT Message-Id: <3j416k$cag@columba.udac.uu.se> I was just wondering if it is possible to set the default saving folder to something like mail/[$sender] in order to give the default saving folder the name of the sender. Example: I get a mail from someone@nowhere.world, and want to save it. Pine should then suggest the saving folder 'someone'. If this is possible I would be MOST grateful for e-mail reply or a posting in this group. Thank you for your help! -- ------------------------------------------------- Stefan Berg <+070-7561297> Student at the Computer Science Department of the University of Uppsala, Sweden ------------------------------------------------- ************************************************* It's better to burn out than to fade away! ************************************************* [Kurgan, The Highlander] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 03:01:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29031; Fri, 3 Mar 95 03:01:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05600; Fri, 3 Mar 95 02:56:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05594; Fri, 3 Mar 95 02:56:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkUqa-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 02:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jclark@polaris.net (Joseph S. Clark) Subject: Re: How to go to top/bottom of large file? Date: 2 Mar 1995 18:47:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3j5lel$fnm@nexus.polaris.net> References: Mark Steele (mrs@crash.cts.com) was reputed to have uttered: :>So, HOW do you to go to top/bottom of large file? (In 1 or 2 keystrokes?) :>-- If you're in PICO, ^W ^V goes to bottom, ^W ^Y to top. -- Not your typical old Joe Clark------------------jclark@nexus.polaris.net | Tallahassee, Florida Where do you go when you're Toad Away? | | Florida info, original fiction, VW stuff, IVD & kids' links: | Homepage._________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 04:18:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01542; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:18:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11758; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:14:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11752; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:14:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkW6E-00038KC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu Subject: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 09:27:06 CST Message-Id: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> Recently Terry Gray described how email is handled at UW. I was especially interested in the description of the following: ..... The cluster includes 12 IMAP servers, although 4 were just added to accommodate expected growth. We figure each of these IMAP servers can handle at least 200 concurrent sessions ......... , but users are not permitted to get a login shell on the IMAP servers. UW-Parkside is considering using PINE email and we are trying to size an appropriate RS/6000 (new server or upgrade a model 360). I have a few questions: First, I see they do not allow shell accounts. If shell and IMAP were both allowed, how do you think this would effect the max concurrent sessions (assuming half the users would use shell)? Second, are there other reasons for not allowing shell access? Third, would there been any negative implications to not allowing shell access? And Fourth, assuming students have non-shell access to usenet, how would they store their personal subscriptions (server, diskette, ... )? We are very interested in IMAP PINE. And thank you Terry for your original post. Patrick E. Hurley Sr. Systems Programmer University of Wisconsin - Parkside PHURLEY@VM.UWP.EDU From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 04:36:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02026; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:36:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07131; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:31:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07125; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:31:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkWKB-00038fC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: I want a .newsrc with everything Date: 21 Feb 1995 15:38:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3i8peb$p41@news1.digex.net> byrgb@millkern.digex.net (Byrg Bonnelycke) writes: >If I want to get a new .newsrc file, with ALL the some 10,000 newsgroup >names available to me on MY system, I: >1) delete MY current .newsrc file with the UNIX command: > rm .newsrc >2) call 'tin' with the UNIX command: > tin >3) exit tin IMMEDIATELY and return to the UNIX prompt with tin's > 'q' command >4) then search & edit the new COMPLETE .newsrc file with the vi-editor: > vi .newsrc Note that this method will only work if your sys admin has set tin up to subscribe to all groups if there is no .newsrc. Some sys admins set things up so that the default is to subscribe you to only local newsgroups and newuser newsgroups. I think there is a way to subscribe to everything from within tin - it involves using y to yank in all newsgroups. Maybe a tin user could post the instructions... -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 05:14:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03007; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:14:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12514; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:08:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12508; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:08:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkWxo-00038KC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cmmadiso@uncc.edu (Christopher M Madison) Subject: 3.91, Locks up when posting Date: 2 Mar 1995 15:58:18 GMT Message-Id: <3j4puq$chd@news.uncc.edu> Hello, I have this problem when trying to post to a news group. When I want to post, the terminal locks up when the posting screen is displayed. Nothing works, I can't ^C or ^Z. When I kill the process it does not die gracefully and leaves the terminal in a frozen state:-( Everything else works great! I have pine 3.91 and am running FreeBSD 2.0. Any info or a * to info would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- root@tippy.cybernetics.net | When a person who is a slave to the absurd cmadison@cybernetx.net | conditions about him declares that there is a cmmadiso@uncc.edu | limit to what he will endure or approve, | he becomes a man, he exists. -Albert Camus

------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.cybernetics.net/users/cmadison/homepage.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 05:56:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03998; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:56:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08160; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:50:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from is1.hk.super.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08154; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:50:18 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA00956 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:50:07 +0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:50:07 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung To: Jason Murphy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .kill file? In-Reply-To: <3j2llc$kht@clue.callamer.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Mar 1995, Jason Murphy wrote: > How do I go about making a textfile (or in PINE) that deletes mail from > certain people, whos name is in the file. I beleive it is called a .killfile Try to use procmail. Perhaps you can ask you system admin to set it up for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---- Kevin Yeung | | / / | | / / keviny@hk.super.net | | / / keviny@hk.linkage.net | |/ / gl191@cleveland.freenet.edu | \ | |\ \ ---- "Love me, that's all I ask of you" | | \ \ / / | | \ V / ---- \ / / / / / ----/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 07:16:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05792; Fri, 3 Mar 95 07:16:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08672; Fri, 3 Mar 95 06:25:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08666; Fri, 3 Mar 95 06:25:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkY9J-00038RC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 06:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lee Ann Sakihara Subject: Does .mailcap support uudecode? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:22:48 GMT Is it possible to add a line to the .mailcap file so that if a uuencoded file is sent as an attachment it will uudecode the file automatically? Below is the original message from the person I'm trying to help. >what's the possibility of pine being able to interpret uuencoded messages >automatically (particularly cc:mail)? Is there a setting that I can set >in pine or the senders (US Fish & Wildlife service and Nat. Park Service) >can set in cc:mail to allow pine to read automatically? it's just plain >& simple uuencoding, but pine says "data type unknown" or some such as >that when attempting to view the attachments. Thanks for any help you can offer. Lee Ann Sakihara, University of Hawaii, Information Technology Services From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 08:39:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08185; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:39:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10793; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:29:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10787; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:29:04 -0800 Received: from wylie.com by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21808; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:29:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:28:53 -30000 From: "Stephen R. Wylie" Subject: Re: Variable for sender name? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3j416k$cag@columba.udac.uu.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Mar 1995, Stefan Berg wrote: > Date: 2 Mar 1995 08:55:48 GMT > From: Stefan Berg > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Variable for sender name? > > > > I was just wondering if it is possible to set the > default saving folder to something like > > mail/[$sender] > > in order to give the default saving folder the > name of the sender. Example: > > I get a mail from someone@nowhere.world, and > want to save it. Pine should then suggest the > saving folder 'someone'. > > If this is possible I would be MOST grateful > for e-mail reply or a posting in this group. > > Thank you for your help! look in .pinerc.... be sure to have the line: saved-msg-name-rule=by-sender that's what does it in my .pinerc file... > > -- > ------------------------------------------------- > Stefan Berg > > <+070-7561297> > Student at the Computer Science Department of the > University of Uppsala, Sweden > ------------------------------------------------- > ************************************************* > It's better to burn out than to fade away! > ************************************************* > [Kurgan, The Highlander] > srw ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen R. Wylie http://www.wylie.com/~swylie/ computer geek Internet Email: swylie@wylie.com Linux Freak For PGP public key, Finger ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 82KZ550-C or send mail to above addr. with Subject: get pubkey Atlanta, GA "I'm your icecreamman; stop me when I'm passing by" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 08:45:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08471; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:45:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16001; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:39:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15995; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:39:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkaMP-00038MC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Subject: Feature request: Simple macros for pine Date: 3 Mar 1995 11:54:01 +0800 Message-Id: <3j63sp$mv6$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> One thing that I find myself doing far too often is doing selections on a very large volume of mail. It'd be nice to be able to automate it with a macro facility of some sort.. Even more of the "startup keystrokes" type of thing would be useful. Damn, it looks like I'm going to have to give up and learn procmail... -Peter From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 09:37:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11189; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:37:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12203; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:24:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12197; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:24:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkb5Y-00038MC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@HENRY.Dorm10.nctu.edu.tw (Peter Chang) Subject: how to set passwd Date: 2 Mar 1995 20:56:04 GMT Message-Id: <3j5bd4$61@netnews.ntu.edu.tw> How to set passwd in pcpine for checking mail? the 3.91 version said it didn't provide!? so..which can? -- *** Peter Chang from Peter's Studio 1995 *** e-mail address: peter@henry.dorm10.nctu.edu.tw peter.bbs@bbs.ntu.edu.tw From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 09:51:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11817; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:51:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17507; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:34:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17501; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:34:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkbAW-00038KC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hahm@ee.deere.com Subject: Where is the FAQ??? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:18:44 GMT Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? If so where?? ------ Ronald Hahm E-Mail: hahm@ee.deere.com Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine and not that of the company I work for. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 10:27:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13384; Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:27:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13578; Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:19:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13572; Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:19:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkbtq-00038SC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ikeda@axcrna.cern.ch (Makoto Ikeda) Subject: pine and unregistered Content-Transfer-Encoding Message-Id: <3MAR199516111952@axcrna.cern.ch> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:11:00 GMT Hi, I received what appeared at first to be a MIME compliant mail message, except that the attachment used x-uuencode for the content transfer encoding. I know the MIME standard discourages the use of alternate encodings (especially uuencode) to the default base64, but is there a way configure pine to use uuencode instead? Or perhaps something can be put into the mailcap file? Regards, Makoto Ikeda ************************************************************* * Makoto IKEDA * Tel : +41 22 749 0365 * * ISO * FAX : +41 22 733 3430 * * 1 rue de Varembe * email: ikeda@isocs.iso.ch * * CH-1211 Geneva 20 * http://www.iso.ch/staffe/ikeda.html * ********************************************************** Disclaimer: This message is an expression of my views and does not necessarily represent the views of my employer. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 11:26:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16193; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:26:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20106; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:19:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20100; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:19:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkcrg-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rouilj@cs.umb.edu (John P. Rouillard) Subject: accessing mh and berkeley style folders under pine. Date: 03 Mar 1995 15:06:44 GMT Message-Id: All of the comments below pertain to pine 3.91 on Solaris 2.3/2.4. PC access will be with the appropriate version of pine for a pc running dos/windows .... My users who have X-terminals use exmh for mail reading, however I need a solution for mail access when these users are not on the X-terminal E.G. dialup and pc or tty access. Also I would like the users to have access to regular "From " delimited berkeley mail format mail boxes (these are used for archiving mailing lists). So how do I configure pine to use the MH folder/subfolder arrangement, while preserving the ability to read regular mboxes. Access to these folders is over NFS. Do I have to use pine in IMAP client mode to support MH folder access? The way I have defined my folder collections are: folder-collections=Mail/[], MH-Mail #mh/MH/[] Comments? -- John John Rouillard Senior Systems Administrator IDD Information Services rouilj@dstar.iddis.com Waltham, MA (617) 890-7227 x337 (617) 487-3937 (Direct) Senior Systems Consultant (SERL Project) University of Massachusetts at Boston rouilj@cs.umb.edu (preferred) Boston, MA, (617) 287-6480 =============================================================================== My employers don't acknowledge my existence much less my opinions. -- -- John John Rouillard Senior Systems Administrator IDD Information Services rouilj@dstar.iddis.com Waltham, MA (617) 890-7227 x337 (617) 487-3937 (Direct) Senior Systems Consultant (SERL Project) University of Massachusetts at Boston rouilj@cs.umb.edu (preferred) Boston, MA, (617) 287-6480 =============================================================================== My employers don't acknowledge my existence much less my opinions. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 12:06:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18592; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:06:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16264; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:02:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16258; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:02:12 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id MAA28178; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:01:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:01:51 -0800 (PST) From: Rex Wockner Subject: Pine broken To: pine@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:25:19 -0800 (PST) From: Rex Wockner To: Rex Wockner , E-Mail support Account , Systems Administrator Subject: Pine broken Pine lets you make mailing lists. For months I have used pine in the same way and now suddenly it is sending error messages. I have pine mailing lists for friends. Some have only 10 names on them, some have perhaps 80. When I use pine in this way, I send the message to myself and bcc the mailing list I have created--inserting the name of my list and letting pine then insert all the addresses. For the past 2 days whenever I bcc more than about 20 addresses, pine gives me a "bus error" or "memory fault" error. This error appears between the "sending message" and "message sent" notations. And even though it does finally say "message sent," in fact the messages are not being sent. No one has received them and I have not received the copy to myself. The only way to stop this, is to return to pine and bcc no more than 15 or 20 people. Pine always worked fine before with larger numbers of bcc's. Please help. rwockner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 13:13:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21659; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:13:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17493; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:00:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17487; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:00:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkeQe-00038FC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cs135571@student.uq.edu.au (Stephen Kelly) Subject: imap Date: 2 Mar 1995 07:58:57 GMT Message-Id: <3j3ts1$nnl@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> We are currently using pine 3.91 and want to use imapd, however when we run pine and it goes to retreive the users mailbox on a remote machine it always prompts for a userid and password. We have tried both imap and rimapd in /etc/inetd and it does the same thing for both situations. We have a .rhosts file and our users can rlogin into the remote server without any problems. We would prefer it not to prompt for a userid or password. Have we done something wrong in the setup or is this the way imap works. Please Help. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 13:34:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22832; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:34:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23071; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:21:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23065; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:21:17 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id NAA11233; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:20:49 -0800 From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Message-Id: <199503032120.NAA11233@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: SUDDENLY TO, CC AND BCC WON'T ACCEPT MORE THAN 25 ADDRESSES To: netmail@netcom.com (E-Mail support Account), sysadm@netcom.com (Systems Administrator) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:20:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 377 As of yesterday (but never before), when I put more than 25 addresses (from one of my pine distribution lists) into a To:, Cc: or Bcc: header of pine, I get an error message of "bus error" or "memory fault" right after the "sending message" notation but before the "message sent" notation -- and the message is, in fact, *not* being sent. Please advise. rwockner@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 13:53:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23496; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:53:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23548; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:43:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23542; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:43:53 -0800 Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id NAA06745; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:43:30 -0800 From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Message-Id: <199503032143.NAA06745@netcom13.netcom.com> Subject: subscription address? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:43:30 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 70 What is the subscription address for this list? Thanks, Rex Wockner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 14:12:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24303; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:12:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23955; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:05:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23949; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:05:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkfS5-00038qC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jclark@polaris.net (Joseph S. Clark) Subject: Re: How to go to top/bottom of large file? Date: 2 Mar 1995 19:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: <3j5nqa$glf@nexus.polaris.net> References: <3j5lel$fnm@nexus.polaris.net> Joseph S. Clark (jclark@polaris.net) was reputed to have uttered: :>Mark Steele (mrs@crash.cts.com) was reputed to have uttered: :>:>So, HOW do you to go to top/bottom of large file? (In 1 or 2 keystrokes?) :>:>-- :>If you're in PICO, ^W ^V goes to bottom, ^W ^Y to top. Also... In Pine 3.91, when viewing a message, W ^V and W ^Y -- Not your typical old Joe Clark------------------jclark@nexus.polaris.net | Tallahassee, Florida Where do you go when you're Toad Away? | | Florida info, original fiction, VW stuff, IVD & kids' links: | Homepage._________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 14:34:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25219; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:34:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24355; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:21:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from falcon.liunet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24347; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:21:45 -0800 Received: from aurora.liunet.edu by falcon.liunet.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13725; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:13:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:33:00 -0500 Message-Id: <95030316330071@aurora.liunet.edu> From: ray@aurora.liunet.edu (Lonnie Ray) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: faq X-Vms-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" send faq From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 15:09:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26779; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:09:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25301; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:01:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25295; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:01:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkgFp-00038lC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:07:07 -0800 Message-Id: References: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> On Thu, 2 Mar 1995 SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu wrote: > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 09:27:06 CST > From: SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account > > Recently Terry Gray described how email is handled at UW. > I was especially interested in the description of the following: > > ..... The cluster includes 12 IMAP servers, although 4 were just added > to accommodate expected growth. We figure each of these IMAP servers can > handle at least 200 concurrent sessions ......... , but > users are not permitted to get a login shell on the IMAP servers. > > UW-Parkside is considering using PINE email and we are trying to size an > appropriate RS/6000 (new server or upgrade a model 360). I have a few > questions: > > First, I see they do not allow shell accounts. If shell and IMAP were > both allowed, how do you think this would effect the max concurrent > sessions (assuming half the users would use shell)? > Second, are there other reasons for not allowing shell access? > Third, would there been any negative implications to not allowing > shell access? One of the advantages of using a dedicated IMAP server without shell access is that we can safely switch to a more efficient format for mail folders (Tenex). Without Tenex, the IMAP servers would use much more memory and do more paging... One weakness of Tenex in a shell environment is that the folders look like ordinary text files, but are very difficult to edit without corrupting them. Other mail programs also do not understand Tenex format. These together would undoubtedly cause support problems... > And Fourth, assuming students have non-shell access to usenet, how > would they store their personal subscriptions > (server, diskette, ... )? > Users of the IMAP servers access them from shell accounts on other servers or from PCs. In either case, they use local storage on the other machines for configuration information, etc. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 15:44:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28454; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:44:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25833; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:26:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from falcon.liunet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25827; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:26:31 -0800 Received: from aurora.liunet.edu by falcon.liunet.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04558; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:18:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:22:17 -0500 Message-Id: <95030318221750@aurora.liunet.edu> From: lray@aurora.liunet.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Vms-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" subscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 15:52:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28851; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:52:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21295; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:41:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21289; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:41:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkgtc-00038jC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simttcn@singnet.com.sg (Sim Tet Chun) Subject: Error compiling Pine 3.91 for SV4 - HELP!!! Date: 27 Feb 1995 17:40:29 GMT Message-Id: <3it2qd$p97@singapura.singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 I've tried to compile Pine 3.91 on the Fujitsu DS/90 server with System V 4.2. But I encounter some errors :- ====================== start ====================== Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 94: identifier redeclared: system "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 121: identifier redeclared: rename "addrbook.c", line 7465: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast *** Error code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. Links to executables are in bin directory: size: bin/pine: cannot open bin/mtest: 331702 + 27568 + 3552 = 362822 bin/imapd: 347822 + 29556 + 10732 = 388110 bin/pico: 114905 + 25304 + 6072 = 146281 Done ================= end ==================== All the programs compiled successfully except Pine. I'm very new to C on Unix and really hope that someone can help me out. Is there any way to correct the "identifier redeclared" errors? Thanks in advance!!! -- ============================================================================ Sim Tet Chun (065)-752-1502 (065)-303-3603 Linux Users Group (Singapore) e-mail : simttcn@singnet.com.sg simttcn%duckie@lugs.po.my They do not truly love who do not show their love -- SHAKESPEARE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 16:39:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00876; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:39:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26939; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:20:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26933; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:20:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkhZy-00038jC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Does .mailcap support uudecode? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:18:19 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: If you're sent a uuencoded file as an attachment (though I don't see why anyone would use both!), you can (in Pine 3.9x) V (View) the attachment, then | (Pipe) it to uudecode. ___ _ _a' /( <. Simon Bradley, Knight Protector! / __><_>._ _ _ ___ ._ _ ~~ _}\ \( _ ) E-mail: syb3@aber.ac.uk \__ \| || ' ' |/ . \| ' | \(._(.)' Finger: syb3@osfb.aber.ac.uk <___/|_||_|_|_|\___/|_|_| ._>. _>. WWW: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~syb3/ On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Lee Ann Sakihara wrote: > Is it possible to add a line to the .mailcap file so that if a uuencoded > file is sent as an attachment it will uudecode the file automatically? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 17:00:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01762; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:00:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22404; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:40:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22397; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:40:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkhpm-00038jC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lhermans@uia.ac.be (0000-Admin(0000)) Subject: add signs? Message-Id: <1995Mar2.102850.29446@reks.uia.ac.be> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:28:50 GMT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 17:26:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03616; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:26:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28448; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:21:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28442; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:21:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkiW0-00038OC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: E-mail CERT Alert Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:52:21 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This article is referring to 20 variants of sendmail.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 24 Feb 1995, Don Sugarman wrote: > Date: 24 Feb 1995 11:30:04 -0800 > From: Don Sugarman > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: E-mail CERT Alert > > > Regarding the following item from Edupage, does anyone have the details? > > Don Sugarman > sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com > > MORE SECURITY PROBLEMS ON THE INTERNET > The Computer Emergency Response Team has issued a public warning on a > vulnerability in some 20 commonly used e-mail programs that run on Unix > operating systems. The advisory said the latest discovery could allow a > hacker to "read any file on the system, overwrite or destroy files." The > ultimate solution to these recurrent security problems, says Purdue > University professor Eugene Spafford, is for consumers to demand better > security features from software manufacturers. In the absence of improved > software, "are we going to continue seeing problems? You bet." (Wall > Street Journal 2/23/95 B8) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 17:29:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03758; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:29:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23219; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:08:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [141.206.10.110] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23213; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:08:52 -0800 Received: from hostsw7.ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM (hostsw7.ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.COM) by mailhost.ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01841; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:08:11 PST Received: by hostsw7.ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04714; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:08:18 PST Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Feinholz X-Sender: sf3@hostsw7 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine send mail (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A coworker is having the following problem. Anyone have any ideas? We are running Pine on Sun workstations running SunOs 4.1.3. ________________________________________________________________________ ==== AT&T | Steven Feinholz | VOICEplus: 427-5945 =--=== Global | Client Software | Phone: (310) 524-5945 =--=== Information | 100 N. Sepulveda Blvd. | FAX: (310) 524-5515 ==== Solutions | El Segundo, Ca 90245 | sf3@ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.com ________________________________________________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:55:13 PST From: Bruce Long To: modem_users@ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.COM Subject: Pine send mail I get this when I try to send mail using the pine utility: HELO ifpsw3.elsegundoCA.NCR.COM 553 ifpsw3. elsegundoCA.NCR.COM host name configuration error COPSW42.....Service Unavailable Anyone run into this? More importantly, anyone know how to solve it? Thx, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:12:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07624; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:12:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00203; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:00:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00197; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:00:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkk4N-00038kC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Crash ??? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:51:57 GMT Pine just crashed. Here's the relevant part of .pine-crash: Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.91 Fri Mar 3 15:44:51 1995 ... last-time-prune-ques : 94.11 last-version-used : 3.91 ... Userid: news Fullname: "NetNews Administrator" User domain name being used "mccc.edu" Local Domain name being used "tecoma" Host name being used "tecoma" Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"mccc.edu" Context mail/[] type: LOCAL ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument Terminal type: vt100 Context mail/[] type: LOCAL about to end_tty_driver Pine Panic: Unable to look up user in passwd file save_debug_on_crash: Version 3.91: debug level 2 : Fri Mar 3 15:44:52 1995 Attempting to save debug file to /usr/lib/news/home/.pine-crash ============= Note the line that says ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument Where in the pine source code might that have come from???? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:14:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07684; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:14:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24884; Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:50:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24878; Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:50:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkjn3-00038kC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Feature request: Simple macros for pine Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:49:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3j63sp$mv6$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j63sp$mv6$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Macros are on the wish-list for me too :) |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 3 Mar 1995, Peter Wemm wrote: > Date: 3 Mar 1995 11:54:01 +0800 > From: Peter Wemm > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Feature request: Simple macros for pine > > One thing that I find myself doing far too often is doing selections > on a very large volume of mail. > > It'd be nice to be able to automate it with a macro facility of some > sort.. Even more of the "startup keystrokes" type of thing would be > useful. > > Damn, it looks like I'm going to have to give up and learn procmail... > > -Peter > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:16:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07736; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:16:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25145; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:05:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25139; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:05:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkk5s-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:22:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> On Thu, 2 Mar 1995 SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu wrote: > First, I see they do not allow shell accounts. If shell and IMAP were > both allowed, how do you think this would effect the max concurrent > sessions (assuming half the users would use shell)? It is rumored that one interactive user is about equivalent to 3 IMAP users. > Second, are there other reasons for not allowing shell access? We wanted to have a dedicated machine that would be highly reliable for our IMAP server. Interactive systems have all sorts of nasty variabilities (e.g. an OS bug triggered by an undebugged user program could crash the system) that dedicated systems do not. > Third, would there been any negative implications to not allowing > shell access? It all depends upon what you are trying to do. We prefer to buy a lot of smaller cheaper machines than fewer big machines. > And Fourth, assuming students have non-shell access to usenet, how > would they store their personal subscriptions > (server, diskette, ... )? This too depends upon the configuration. It is possible to have subscriptions on the IMAP server if you use IMAP for news instead of NNTP. This is also going to become a lot more flexible in the near future. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:26:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08038; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:26:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00555; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:21:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00549; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:21:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkkMq-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: Re: distribution list question Message-Id: References: <3ijfig$2tk@mark.ucdavis.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:23:59 GMT Mitchell Allen (ez045354@chip.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : is there any way to send mail to a distribution list without having the : entire list print out in the header of the message? i have a couple of : long distribution lists and i would rather just have the alias in the : header than pages of names proceeding the message. i don't know if this : is a common question or not, but i did not see any reference to it in the : current postings, nor have i found any information through man pages, etc. : if you have any input, please contact me here, or via e-mail. : thanks, : mitch : mtallen@ucdavis.edu use bcc -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:36:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08232; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:36:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25522; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:31:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25514; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:30:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkkRC-00038lC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: Error with Distribution list over 20 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:30:15 GMT Pine lets you make mailing lists. For months I have used pine in the same way and now suddenly it is sending error messages. I have pine mailing lists for friends. Some have only 10 names on them, some have perhaps 80. When I use pine in this way, I send the message to myself and bcc the mailing list I have created--inserting the name of my list and letting pine then insert all the addresses. For the past 2 days whenever I bcc more than about 20 addresses, pine gives me a "bus error" or "memory fault" error. This error appears between the "sending message" and "message sent" notations. And even though it does finally say "message sent," in fact the messages are not being sent. No one has received them and I have not received the copy to myself. The only way to stop this, is to return to pine and bcc no more than 15 or 20 people. Pine always worked fine before with larger numbers of bcc's. Please help. rwockner@netcom.com -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 20:29:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09436; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:29:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01443; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:25:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01437; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:25:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rklJB-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hbbio011@huey.csun.edu (arno sarkissian) Subject: PC-PINE support for dos Date: 3 Mar 1995 23:23:14 GMT Message-Id: <3j88d2$fu6@dewey.csun.edu> Hi, Does anyone know if there is any version of PC-PINE that runs on DOS. I'm Looking for a Offline mail that works proerly w/PINE. PC-PINE seems to be suitable. I want to know if there is any version of pc-pine that works on XTs. Thanks, Arno -- GeneMED(tm) | Major: Molecular Biology Arno D. Sarkissian(hbbio011@huey.csun.edu) | Biochemistry 10832 Encino Ave. | Granada Hills., CA. 91344 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 20:46:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09759; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:46:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26481; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:41:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26475; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:41:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rklcc-00038LC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: SUDDENLY pine won't mail more than 25 people????? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:27:55 GMT As of yesterday (but never before), when I put more than 25 addresses (from one of my pine distribution lists) into a To:, Cc: or Bcc: header of pine, I get an error message of "bus error" or "memory fault" right after the "sending message" notation but before the "message sent" notation -- and the message is, in fact, *not* being sent. Please advise. rwockner@netcom.com -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 20:49:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09829; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:49:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01664; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:41:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01658; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:41:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rklXT-00038kC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bryan@netcom.com (Bryan Higgins) Subject: Look at other than /usr/spool/mail/xxxx? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:13:47 GMT This ought be obvious, but: how do I configure pine to look in $HOME/inbox instead of /usr/spool/mail/$USER? It seems to not look at the MAIL envariable anymore (I've got 3.89). The documentation and source code baffles me. Help would be most appreciated. -- Bryan Higgins, Berkeley, California (bryan@netcom.com, bryan@well.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 21:47:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11148; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:47:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27312; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:41:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27306; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:41:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkmXB-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Philip Nelson Subject: Updating of remote INBOX with Win Pine Date: 3 Mar 1995 22:45:49 GMT Message-Id: <3j866t$erg@netnet2.netnet.net> The only time my INBOX is updated with new mail is when I do an eXpunge. VMS pine updates as new mail arrives on the server. WinPine is using a remote INBOX. Is it supposed to update or do you have to quit and restart or eXpunge to update the INBOX? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 21:55:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11455; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:55:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02576; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:52:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02570; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:52:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkmiu-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: R.Spall-94@student.lut.ac.uk (Russ Spall) Subject: hi Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:59:38 GMT Keywords: dd From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 21:59:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11506; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:59:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02598; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:54:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02592; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:54:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkmjh-00038LC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: PCPINE3.91 hanging - repost - fruzztrated Date: 3 Mar 1995 14:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3j7s3b$gng@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I'm using the ncsa packet driver for ne2000. telnet works fine, so does ftp. The name server one the network seems to be functioning properly -- at least ftp uses it, and nslookup works. So, config.tel seems to be ok, and configtel= is set properly. PINE seems to be using it. When I removed configtel, PINE tries to BOOTP, which fails. Put it back, PINE comes up. But, when I put the {host.domain} in the pinerc path to INBOX, PCPINE_P can't open the inbox, (error 143, I think) . If I then go into setup and configure and change he path to {ip.address}, return and attempt to read the inbox, pine makes the connection, and things seem to be fine. If I then exit PINE, and try to run it again, with the path set to {ip.address}, it hangs at opening INBOX -- requiring a reset. If I manually edit the pinerc file back to {host.domain}, it will at least come up, although, again, it can't find the INBOX until I go through setup, etc., etc. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Here is my PINERC, and for good measure, my CONFIG.TEL. I hope you can see a problem. Thanks for your time. Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com 813-388-4441 Begin PINERC ============================ # Updated by Pine(tm) 3.91, copyright 1989-1993 University of Washington. # # Pine configuration file -- customize as needed. # # This file sets the configuration options used by Pine and PC-Pine. If you # are using Pine on a Unix system, there may be a system-wide configuration # file which sets the defaults for these variables. There are comments in # this file to explain each variable, but if you have questions about # specific settings see the section on configuration options in the Pine # notes. On Unix, run pine -conf to see how system defaults have been set. # For variables that accept multiple values, list elements are separated # by commas. A line beginning with a space or tab is considered to be a # continuation of the previous line. For a variable to be unset its value # must be blank. To set a variable to the empty string its value should # be "". You can override system defaults by setting a variable to the # empty string. Switch variables are set to either "yes" or "no", and # default to "no". # Lines beginning with "#" are comments, and ignored by Pine. ########################### Essential Parameters ########################### # Over-rides your full name from Unix password file. Required for PC-Pine. personal-name=Don Hayward # Your login/e-mail user name user-id=don # Sets domain part of From: and local addresses in outgoing mail. user-domain=marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail. #smtp-server=204.199.126.2 smtp-server=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # NNTP server for posting news. Also sets news-collections for news reading. #nntp-server=204.199.126.2 nntp-server=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). inbox-path={isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us}INBOX ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files ##################### # List of incoming msg folders besides INBOX, e.g. ={host2}inbox, {host3}inbox # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-host-name}folder-path incoming-folders= # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[] # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] folder-collections=Desktop c:\mail\[] # folder-collections=Main {204.199.126.2}mail/[], Desktop c:\mail\[] # folder-collections= # List, only needed if nntp-server not set, or news is on a different host # than used for NNTP posting. Examples: News *[] or News *{host3/nntp}[] # Syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[] news-collections= # Over-rides default path for sent-mail folder, e.g. =old-mail (using first # folder collection dir) or ={host2}sent-mail or ="" (to suppress saving). # Default: sent-mail (Unix) or SENTMAIL.MTX (PC) in default folder collection. default-fcc= # Over-rides default path for postponed messages folder, e.g. =pm (which uses # first folder collection dir) or ={host4}pm (using home dir on host4). # Default: postponed-mail (Unix) or POSTPONE.MTX (PC) in default fldr coltn. postponed-folder= # If set, specifies where already-read messages will be moved upon quitting. read-message-folder= # Over-rides default path for signature file. Default is ~/.signature signature-file=c:\dons\pine.sig # List of file or path names for global/shared addressbook(s). # Default: none # Syntax: optnl-label path-name global-address-book=LAB-ADDRESSES {isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us}/root/.addressbook # List of file or path names for personal addressbook(s). # Default: ~/.addressbook (Unix) or \PINE\ADDRBOOK (PC) # Syntax: optnl-label path-name address-book=c:\dons\addrbook ############################### Preferences ################################ # List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set. # e.g. feature-list= select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom # Default condition for all of the features is no-. feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs, auto-open-next-unread # Pine executes these keys upon startup (e.g. to view msg 13: i,j,1,3,CR,v) initial-keystroke-list= # Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages default-composer-hdrs= # Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing customized-hdrs= # Determines default folder name for Saves... # Choices: default-folder, by-sender, by-from, by-recipient, last-folder-used. # Default: "default-folder", i.e. "saved-messages" (Unix) or "SAVEMAIL" (PC). saved-msg-name-rule= # Determines default name for Fcc... # Choices: default-fcc, by-recipient, last-fcc-used. # Default: "default-fcc" (see also "default-fcc=" variable.) fcc-name-rule= # Sets presentation order of messages in Index. Choices: # subject, from, arrival, date, size. Default: "arrival". sort-key= # Sets presentation order of address book entries. Choices: dont-sort, # fullname-with-lists-last, fullname, nickname-with-lists-last, nickname # Default: "fullname-with-lists-last". addrbook-sort-rule= # Reflects capabilities of the display you have. Default: US-ASCII. # Typical alternatives include ISO-8859-x, (x is a number between 1 and 9). character-set= # Specifies the program invoked by ^_ in the Composer, # or the "enable-alternate-editor-implicitly" feature. editor=e # Program to view images (e.g. GIF or TIFF attachments). image-viewer= # If "user-domain" not set, strips hostname in FROM address. (Unix only) use-only-domain-name= ########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line ########## # Your printer selection printer= # Special print command if it isn't one of the standard printers personal-print-command= # Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning. last-time-prune-questioned=95.3 # Set by Pine; controls display of "new version" message. last-version-used=3.91 # Full path and name of NEWSRC file newsrc-path= # Extension used for local folder names (".MTX" by default). folder-extension= # Choose: black,blue,green,cyan,red,magenta,yellow,or white (CAPS=BLINKING). normal-foreground-color=green normal-background-color=black reverse-foreground-color=black reverse-background-color=green ===================================== End PINERC Begin CONFIG.TEL ===================================== # # Example host file for Telnet 2.3 # # "funny, this configuration file is readable ..." # # This file is free form # Separators are any char <33 and :;= # # The form is keyword=value for each parameter. # The first set of parameters refer to the whole program's defaults. # These parameter values can be in any order. # Following this are the individual machine specs. # If the first machine is name "default", then it contains default # values for the rest of the machines. # myip=204.199.126.3 # required, your IP number #myip=RARP # receive my IP number from a RARP server #myip=BOOTP # receive my IP number from a BOOTP server # legal values are: a number of the form: # x.x.x.x, RARP, or BOOTP # Defaults to 127.0.0.1 netmask=255.255.255.0 # subnetting mask # Default is 0.0.0.0 #The following are the ISA boards supported: #hardware=atalk # network adapter board (Appletalk) #interrupt=60 #hardware=3c501 # network adapter board (3 COM 501) #address=d000 # shared memory address #ioaddr=300 # I/O address #interrupt=5 # hardware IRQ interrupt #hardware=star10 # network adapter board (AT&T starlan 10) #address=d800 # shared memory address #ioaddr=300 # I/O address #interrupt=5 # hardware IRQ interrupt #hardware=pcnic # network adapter board (Ungermann-Bass PC-NIC) #address=d800 #interrupt=5 #hardware=3c503 # network adapter board ( 3 Com 503) #ioaddr=280 #address=dc00 #interrupt=5 #wire=thick hardware=packet # network adapter board (packet driver interface) interrupt=0x0f ioaddr=0x340 #hardware=ni5210 # network adapter board (Micom NI5210 ) #address=d000 #ioaddr=360 #interrupt=2 #hardware=wd800 # network adapter board (Western Digital WD8003E) #address=d800 #ioaddr=360 #interrupt=5 #hardware=wd800 # network adapter board (Western Digital WD8003EB) #address=d800 # Remember to run the 'SETUP' program #ioaddr=360 # provided by Western Digital to enable #interrupt=3 # the board correctly! #The following are the MCA boards supported: #hardware=wd8003a # network adapter board (Western Digital WD8003A) #address=c400 #interrupt=10 #ioaddr=280 #hardware=ni9210 # network adapter board (Micom ni9210) #address=c800 #interrupt=9 #ioaddr=300 #hardware=nicps2 # network adapter board (Ungermann-Bass NICps/2) #address=d000 #interrupt=5 #ioaddr=1550 #hardware=3c523 # network adapter board (3Com 523) #address=d800 #interrupt=7 #ioaddr=1300 #cursortop=2 # option to set the top of the cursor block # measured in scanlines from the top of the # character block # Default is -1 (don't modify the existing setting) #cursorbottom=7 # option to set the bottom of the cursor block # measured in scanlines from the top of the # character block # Default is -1 (don't modify the existing setting) broadcast= # broadcast IP number # Default is 255.255.255.255 #windowgoaway=yes # whether windows go away when closed # Default is no #autoscroll=no # whether to autoscroll when at the top of the # screen in scrollback # Default is yes #clock=off # whether the clock is displayed or not # Default is on myname="mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us" # used in LPR to notify the LPR server # who is printing # Defaults to none termtype="vt100" # the type of terminal emulation to perform # currently only vt100 is supported # Default is vt100 #outputfile=telnet.out # path name of the output mapping file # Defaults to none #keyfile=keymap.key # path name of your keyboard re-mapping file # Defaults to none #beep=yes # display musical note in session status # on the status line when a ascii 7 is received # in that session # Defaults to no #services=services.tel # path to the services file for displaying # network information # Defaults to none tek=yes # enable tektronix graphics # Default is on video=ega # type of video screen # Legal values for video are: # cga,ega,pga,no9,hercules,ega43,vga50 # Default is ega bios=no # don't use slow BIOS screen access # bios=yes to reduce flicker on cga # bios=yes for TopView or Windows # Default is no ftp=yes # do you want ftp enabled? # Default is no rcp=no # do you want rcp enabled? # Default is no #domainretry=3 # number of domain lookup retries # Default is 3 domain="marinelab.sarasota.fl.us" # default domain for hostname lookup # Default is none domaintime=4 # timeout for a domain lookup # Defaults to 4 #concolor=070170 # Set the console colors # Default is 070170 capfile= # default name for capture file # Default is none #hpfile=hp.out # file to write HPGL to, # COM1 can be used for attached plotter # Defaults to none #psfile=ps.out # file to write postscript to # Detaults to none #tekfile=tek.out # file to write Tek codes to # Defaults to none arptime=8 # arp timeout in seconds # affects machines on your local network # Defaults to 8 #passfile="c:\telnet\telpass" # name of file to find FTP passwords in # Default is none # # Following are individual machine specifications # Gateways are used in order that they appear in the file # Nameservers rotate, #1, #2, #3, #1, #2 when a request fails # # The machine named "default" contains the fields which are automatically # filled in for later hosts # name=default # Session name, "default" is a reserved name # Not a real machine, default parameters only #host=sri-nic.arpa # Actual host name of machine, not session name # Required #hostip=10.0.0.51 # IP address of host, example is for SRI-NIC # Required #gateway=1 # This machine is a gateway for me # Default is no (0) #nameserver=1 # This machine has a DOMAIN name server for me # Default is no (0) #scrollback=400 # number of lines of scrollback per session # Default is (0) #clearsave=on # whether to save cleared line in scrollback # Default is on # color codes for a specific session: # black, blue, green, cyan, red, magenta, yellow, white # BLACK, BLUE, GREEN, CYAN, RED, MAGENTA, YELLOW, WHITE # # NOTE: when the highlighted colors are used for a background color, # they produce blinking text. nfcolor=white # vt100 normal foreground color # Default is green nbcolor=black # vt100 normal background color # Default is black bfcolor=red # vt100 blink foreground color # Default is black bbcolor=blue # vt100 blink background color # Default is green rfcolor=black # vt100 reverse foreground color # Default is blue rbcolor=white # vt100 reverse background color # Default is black ufcolor=red # vt100 underline foreground color # Default is blue ubcolor=cyan # vt100 underline background color # Default is black erase=backspace # use delete code or backspace code for <- key? # legal values are "delete" and "backspace" # Default is "backspace" vtwrap=yes # should VT100 be in wrap mode or not? # Default is no #vtwidth=80 # width of the vt100 screen # legal values are 80 and 132 # Default is 80 (132 may not work correctly) crmap=4.3BSDCRNUL # map of the CR key for compatibility # legal values are "4.3BSDCRNUL" and "LF" # Default is "LF" #duplex=half # modifier for non-echo mode, forces send # legal value are "full" and "half" # Default is full duplex #font=Monaco # font for the window text (Unsupported) # Default is Monaco #fsize=9 # fontsize for the window text (Unsupported) # Deafult is 9 #port=23 # value of the port to telnet to # Default is 23 #ftpoptions="-n" # modifier for the 'ftp back to PC' string # The string is sent as: # "ftp # Default is none #outputmap=yes # Whether to use the output mapping for this # machine. # Legal values are: "yes" or "no" # Default is no # The following entries affect the tuning of TCP connections to this host. # They should be set by the network administrator who is familiar with # the requirements of your specific network. contime=30 # timeout in seconds to try connection # before returning error to user # Default is (20) retrans=17 # starting retransmit time out in ticks # 1/18ths of sec # Default is (5) mtu=1024 # maximum transmit unit in bytes # outgoing packet size, MAX=1024 # Default is (512) maxseg=1024 # largest segment we can receive # whatever the hardware can take, MAX=2048 # Default is (1024) rwin=1024 # most bytes we can receive without ACK # =TCP window size, MAX=4096 # larger isn't always better # Default is (1024) # # Below this line, most of the communication parameters are obtained # from the "default" host entry. # Machine names, IP addresses, and special communication parameters are # present when needed. name=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us; hostip=204.199.126.2 nameserver=1 name=isurus; copyfrom=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us name=master.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us; hostip=204.199.126.5 name=master; copyfrom=master.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us name=client.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us; hostip=204.199.126.6 name=client; copyfrom=client.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us #name=void ; hostip=204.199.126.20; nameserver=3 erase=delete #name=v; copyfrom=void #name=yoyodyne ; hostip=204.199.126.46; nameserver=4 erase=delete #name=yoyo; copyfrom=yoyodyne #name=uiucuxa ; hostip=128.174.2.3 ; erase=backspace; #name=uxa ; copyfrom=uiucuxa #name=next hostip=192.42.172.1 gateway=1; erase=delete; consoledebug=1; #outputmap=yes; #name=ncsad ; hostip=128.174.10.48 crmap=no From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 22:28:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12179; Fri, 3 Mar 95 22:28:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03029; Fri, 3 Mar 95 22:26:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03023; Fri, 3 Mar 95 22:26:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rknG9-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 22:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laestrad@taz.harding.edu (Luis Estrada) Subject: %% Bcc %% Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:49:18 GMT Message-Id: <3j82su$16o@dns.harding.edu> Hi! Can someone tell me how to keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message when sending to a distribution list? Also, is there a way in which pine will announce that mail has arrived besides biff y? Thanks, --Luis Estrada -- #=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=# # . o c , Luis Estrada __o Costa Rica # # `'#v-- --v#`' Harding Universtiy Box 1901 _`\<, es Pura # # /'> <`\ Searcy, AR 72149-0001 __ (*)/ (*) __ Vida! # #=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=# From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 01:06:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16453; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:06:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00173; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:02:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00165; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:02:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkpfd-00038HC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 00:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Best pine for Mac Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:52:17 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: There is not currently a port of Pine to the Mac. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Mar 1995, Rachid Boukhliq wrote: > Date: 2 Mar 1995 10:05:07 -0800 > From: Rachid Boukhliq > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Best pine for Mac > > > Please tell me what's the latest version of Pine that I can use on a Mac. > Also, how do I subscribe to pine news group? > > Thank you kindly > > \\|// > Rachid Boukhliq (o o) > ==========================================================w===U===w======= > Voice: 1-304-293-1497 Fax:1-304-293-3850 eMail: boukhli@wvnvms.wvnet.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 07:43:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24969; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:43:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10308; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:37:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10302; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:37:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkvr8-00038DC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cccdavid@mark.ucdavis.edu (Dave Zavatson) Subject: Re: Changing setup parameters system-wide Date: 3 Mar 1995 17:12:57 GMT Message-Id: <3j7imp$fnf@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: Mary Aplin (aplin@alpha.loyno.edu) wrote: : Hello Pine-Info: : I have what is probably a stupid question; I want the prYnt command to : print to standard unix printer (lpr) by default, for *ALL* users on my : system. What do I do? First look in the source code to see what your global pine config variable is called. By default it is /usr/local/lib/pine.conf The line in the source code can be found in pine/osdep/os-OSTYPE.h Add the line printer=lpr -Pmyprinter or whatever to the pine.conf file and voila! All users' defaults have been now set. : Also, I want to set up an account that will do nothing but forward mail : to other accounts. Does anyone know if I can have multiple addresses in : my .forward file? Absolutely. Or you can create a sendmail alias. --Dave -- ''' (o o) /----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\ | David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.| |dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu |Ich kann nicht von Dir gehen. Zwei Gefuehle bleiben | | UCD IT Systems Group | stehen: Liebe und Hass, sind sich doch so nah. -ECO| \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 07:45:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25042; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:45:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05408; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:42:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05402; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:42:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkvxh-00038LC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: an200288@anon.penet.fi (Rheinhardt) Message-Id: <052335Z03031995@anon.penet.fi> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 05:18:46 UTC Subject: URGENT PETITION!!!!! (fwd) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 12:50:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01386; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:50:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14419; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:46:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14413; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:46:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl0f3-00038HC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim Subject: how do you delete newsgroups folders? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 02:19:12 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some of my newsgroup folders in Pine 3.91 come up as "does not exist" and I can't delete them. Is there a solution? Thanks for any help. jimmy-yoon@uiowa.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 13:07:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01838; Sat, 4 Mar 95 13:07:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09614; Sat, 4 Mar 95 13:03:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09608; Sat, 4 Mar 95 13:03:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl0vO-00038HC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rancr@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Niparut Chairungruang - RARC) Subject: What's MIME? Date: 3 Mar 1995 17:12:36 GMT Message-Id: <3j7im4$alg@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Hi Everybody, Have anyone know about MIME program? I think may be mail utility. Could you tell me its information and how to get it? Thank you Un From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 15:33:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04683; Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:33:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11241; Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:08:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11235; Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:08:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl2me-00038MC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 14:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: almcepud@best.com (Allix & Mickey) Subject: Aggragated folders? Date: 4 Mar 1995 21:57:05 GMT Message-Id: <3jannh$4rf@news1.best.com> Does this function allow PINE to sort incoming email in to specified folders? For example, I would like all of my mailing-list email to go in to a specific folder that is not the INBOX. Is this possible? Please respond via email. Thank you VERY much in advance! The lost one, Mickey -- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} Allison VanDercreek (abeauty) Michael Kappes (OscrDGrch) <@ Allix@almcepud.vip.best.com Mickey@almcepud.vip.best.com @> 8> Puddie the wonder-cat Puddie@almcepud.vip.best.com <8 H --==-- H " "It was the greatest of the imperfect ventriloquist acts: " when his lips moved, her body sang." --Tom Robbins B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 16:14:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05430; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:14:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16906; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:06:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16900; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:06:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl3lj-00038FC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ashleigh@rain.org () Subject: limits on mailing lists? Date: 4 Mar 1995 23:58:17 GMT Message-Id: <3jauqq$e6k@news.rain.org> Can someone please tell me if there is a limit in PINE to the number of names you can have on a Distribution List, or to the number of Distribution Lists you can have? Ashleigh Brilliant From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 16:19:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05520; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:19:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12061; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:14:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12055; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:14:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl3nz-00038HC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: atlas@alpha.bin-sixx.com (Atlas Computer Systems) Control: cancel <3j5gcr$dtd@alpha.bin-sixx.com> Subject: cancel: WD_1_GIG_DRIVE Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:37:02 GMT Mopping up spam from atlas@alpha.bin-sixx.com. red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 19:22:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09084; Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:22:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19347; Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:19:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19341; Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:19:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl6lE-00038MC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: msukay@pgh-pg.com Subject: Pine Keymapping problem Date: 3 Mar 1995 17:14:15 GMT Message-Id: <3j7ip7$6dn@hudson.lm.com> I am dialing into a Alpha Server via Procomm Plus. When I am in Procomm Plus the keyboard mapping seems to be fine. But once I'm in PINE I have to use the Esc key for the Control key. Has anyone experience this problem? Please help!!!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 20:35:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10250; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:35:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15240; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:32:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15234; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:32:18 -0800 Received: from mobius09.math.uwaterloo.ca by undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca id <56839-2>; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:32:13 -0500 From: justin wells To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PINE Message-Id: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:32:03 -0500 I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. Some e-mail I sent to a PINE user was just inadvertantly posted, by them, to a newsgroup because PINE is apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. You should change the name to PINEE, "Pine is not even elm" Justin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 20:39:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10339; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:39:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15274; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:34:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15268; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:34:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl7xj-00038QC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Clifford A. Anderson" Subject: Re: Viewing Message without Paging Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:33:08 -0900 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 28 Feb 1995, Tom Sardella wrote: > I have a number of users who use pine on a dialup line with Crosstalk > on a PC. These users like to be able to capture long messages into a file > on the PC. Is there a way in Pine to read messages without having to > pause for each page? These are not Unix people, so I need an easier method > than exporting to a file and then exiting to Unix to "cat" the file. One of pine's printer setup options includes just printing to the screen. That should do exactly what your people want it to do. ______________________________________________________ _________|If con is the |Given that God is infinite, and |_________ \ |opposite of pro, is |that the Universe is also | / \ |congress the opposite|infinite..... would you like a | / \ |of progress? |toasted tea cake? | / \ |------------------------------------------------------| / \ |GCS -d+ H+ s:+ g+ p? !au a- W++++ V++ C++++ UB++++ P+ | / / |L 3+ N+ E K+++ w--- M-- v-- -po+ Y+ t+ 5++ !j R G' tv+| \ / |b+ D+ B-- e+ u* h++ f+ r++ n---- y* | \ / | - PGP key available via finger| \ / |______________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 20:39:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10369; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:39:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20217; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:34:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20211; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:34:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl7xv-00038RC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Clifford A. Anderson" Subject: Re: SGI's pine Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:35:31 -0900 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Penio Penev wrote: > This should go to the FAQ. Try Where do I find the FAQ? ______________________________________________________ _________|If con is the |Given that God is infinite, and |_________ \ |opposite of pro, is |that the Universe is also | / \ |congress the opposite|infinite..... would you like a | / \ |of progress? |toasted tea cake? | / \ |------------------------------------------------------| / \ |GCS -d+ H+ s:+ g+ p? !au a- W++++ V++ C++++ UB++++ P+ | / / |L 3+ N+ E K+++ w--- M-- v-- -po+ Y+ t+ 5++ !j R G' tv+| \ / |b+ D+ B-- e+ u* h++ f+ r++ n---- y* | \ / | - PGP key available via finger| \ / |______________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 21:05:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10951; Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:05:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15646; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:59:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15640; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:59:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl8My-00038FC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Louis I. Burton" Subject: updating distrib list Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:11:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have no problem adding to my address book but when I go to put one of the new address in to my distrib list I can't quite figured out how this is done. I use a speech synthesizer for screen access and that is where my problem lies. Could one of you all give me the keystrokes for updating a distirb list with already exsiting names and how to put a name directly in there? Thanks nuch... Later...Lou And that is all he wrote! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 21:56:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11833; Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:56:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21273; Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:52:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21267; Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:52:29 -0800 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id VAA20317; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:51:35 -0800 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:51:32 -0800 (PST) From: Juanita Fischer X-Sender: juanfisc@netcom6 To: "Louis I. Burton" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: updating distrib list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Go into your address book with an a. ADd the names you want with the a command. To create a list for the first time, use the s command. You will be prompted for the list's full name, nickname, etc. Once the list is created, you add to it with the z command. You must first cursor to the list you want before typing the z command. Simply enter each nickname, pressing enter after each one. When you're finished, simply press enter and you will be back in your address book. If you're still having trouble with your screen access, write to me privately and I'll try to help you out. Juanita On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Louis I. Burton wrote: > I have no problem adding to my address book but when I go to put one of > the new address in to my distrib list I can't quite figured out how this > is done. > > I use a speech synthesizer for screen access and that is where my problem > lies. Could one of you all give me the keystrokes for updating a distirb > list with already exsiting names and how to put a name directly in there? > > Thanks nuch... > > Later...Lou > And that is all he wrote! > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 00:53:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15145; Sun, 5 Mar 95 00:53:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23410; Sun, 5 Mar 95 00:50:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23404; Sun, 5 Mar 95 00:50:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlBvo-00038FC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 00:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fyao@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Frank Yao) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 07:20:11 GMT justin wells wrote: > >I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. Some e-mail I sent to a PINE >user was just inadvertantly posted, by them, to a newsgroup because PINE is >apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages >to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. It's not pine that's stupid, but your friend. Pine is used as both a mail and newsreader. When it sees a newsgroup line, it will PROMPT the user, and ask if they want to post the article. Obviously, your friend replied, 'y'. - frank -- ********************************************************************** * You may be right. I may be crazy. But it just may be a lunatic * * you're looking for. - Billy Joel * *************************** Frank Yao, fyao@csclub.uwaterloo.ca ****** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 01:24:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16016; Sun, 5 Mar 95 01:24:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23930; Sun, 5 Mar 95 01:21:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from is1.hk.super.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23924; Sun, 5 Mar 95 01:21:54 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA07398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:21:44 +0800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:21:43 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung To: Allix & Mickey Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Aggragated folders? In-Reply-To: <3jannh$4rf@news1.best.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 4 Mar 1995, Allix & Mickey wrote: > Does this function allow PINE to sort incoming email in to specified > folders? For example, I would like all of my mailing-list email to go in > to a specific folder that is not the INBOX. Is this possible? Please > respond via email. Thank you VERY much in advance! No, Pine doesn't support filtering. Try to use filter or procmail. -- Kevin Yeung email: keviny@hk.super.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 02:28:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17332; Sun, 5 Mar 95 02:28:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19651; Sun, 5 Mar 95 02:25:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19645; Sun, 5 Mar 95 02:25:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlDRI-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 02:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 08:43:19 GMT In article , Frank Yao wrote: >justin wells wrote: [PINE is] >>apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages >>to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. >It's not pine that's stupid, but your friend. Pine is used as both a >mail and newsreader. When it sees a newsgroup line, it will PROMPT >the user, and ask if they want to post the article. Obviously, your >friend replied, 'y'. Bzzt. You lose. PINE is supposed to be a system that naive users can use, and this is exactly the kind of error a naive user is going to make. Any system that fails to meet the expected needs of its expected users is a failure. PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. Naive users are exactly that: people who don't have in-depth knowledge of the systems they're using -- that's not stupidity, that's people who have spent their lives doing other things, probably intelligently. What is stupid is the "the user is an idiot" response that programmers spew every time their systems fail to meet human needs. Justin -- .signature

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"One Policy. One System. Universal Service." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 03:15:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18427; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:15:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25176; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:11:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25170; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:11:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlE7l-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cne019@dns.nctsl.navy.mil (CAPT T.B. Taylor) Subject: Problem with pine and vi Date: 5 Mar 1995 10:47:16 GMT Message-Id: <3jc4rk$69g@dns.nctsl.navy.mil> I use pine A LOT. It's a great program. The built in editor, pico, is great but limited. So I often use the alternate editor function to use vi. About a week or so ago, this stopped working. When I press ^_ to start the alternate editor, the screen displays a message "invoking alternate editor" and then "read 999 lines" or however many lines are in the file, but then it comes immediately back into pico and redraws my screen. It seems that vi is either starting and then immediately exiting, or not starting at all. The latter seems more likely. No hint of vi ever shows up on the screen. Here's what I've tried so far: -- using various terminal emulators, to make sure I'm really sending a ^_. Same thing happens on all systems. -- rename .exrc in my home directory to run vi without customization. Same thing happens, with or without my .exrc. -- rename .pinerc in my home directory force pine to reconfigure itself. Then make only two config changes in the clean .pinerc: enable alternate editor and editor=vi. Same thing happens. -- in a "clean" .pinerc, enable alternate editor implicitly, to force vi always. When you press return after typing in your subject line, the screen redraws itself and you are returned to where you started, at the end of the subject line. Can't get to the text at all. All other functions of pine work normally, and vi works normally when invoked from my system prompt. My host uses pine 3.91 on a sun. Thank you for your help. CAPT Tim Taylor, USN Email: tim.taylor@ncts.navy.mil Public Affairs Officer Phone: +44-171-514-4251 United States Naval Forces Europe Fax: +44-171-514-4304 London W1Y 2AL, UK http://www.navy.mil/~ttaylor/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 04:30:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20358; Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:30:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21275; Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:26:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21269; Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:26:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlFJK-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) Subject: Re: PINE Date: 5 Mar 1995 12:12:23 GMT Message-Id: <3jc9r7$srv@krant.cs.ruu.nl> References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> In <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) writes: | I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. [...] | apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages | to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. Bashing at some piece of software you never used yourself is just too easy. If you have a serious comment on its functionality, you can bring up suggestions here and get a useful discussion out of it. Anyway, I'll try to answer, based on experience working with Pine. Given this specific case, Pine will ask you if you really want to post a followup to the newsgroup, second it will ask if it should reply to all recipients or just to the sender. IMHO these questions leave very little space for making the wrong decision. Actually, I found it very hard to do anything wrong by mistake using Pine. You mentioned Elm: I've been using Elm for years with great pleasure, but I've printed out numerous messages when I wanted to move up the the p)revious message :-) Development of Elm has kind of come to a halt, that's one of the reasons I moved to Pine. Another is that my users kept asking for it; I can mention a few more reasons, but there's no intent here to start a religious war over email user agents. --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] ----------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/~edwin --------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 05:15:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21319; Sun, 5 Mar 95 05:15:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26890; Sun, 5 Mar 95 05:11:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26884; Sun, 5 Mar 95 05:11:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlFzd-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 05:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Where can i get pine for SVR4? Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:09:54 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3i7mai$7ri@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3i7mai$7ri@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> The primary ftp site for Pine is ftp.cac.washington.edu. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 19 Feb 1995, Mario Garcia wrote: > Date: 19 Feb 1995 14:58:25 GMT > From: Mario Garcia > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Where can i get pine for SVR4? > > > Hi you all, can anybody tell me the best site for ftping pine code for > my at&t unix SVR4 system.? > Thanks. > Mario. > mgarcia@ns.unpma.pa > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 07:04:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23138; Sun, 5 Mar 95 07:04:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23001; Sun, 5 Mar 95 07:00:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22995; Sun, 5 Mar 95 07:00:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlHip-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 06:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Urs Schuerer Subject: Re: Pine compiled for silicon graphics???? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 15:51:04 +0000 Message-Id: References: <3g0q07$qo2@abalone.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3g0q07$qo2@abalone.ucsb.edu> Yes, I have one compiled for IRIX-4.0.5F, but at the moment imapd is not working correctly (denies any authentication). If you have problems compiling by yourself (sure you will have them - at least I had them ( (-: ) ), send me a mail. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Urs Schuerer Phone private: +49 89 6514351 | | Gruenwalder Str. 44 / IV. Phone SCALL: +49 1681 1367020| | 81545 Muenchen, Germany Phone office: +49 89 21052660 | | | | Email: root2@lfe.mw.tu-muenchen.de | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On 23 Jan 1995, Joyce Y. Wong wrote: > I am looking for pine compiled for a silicon graphics machine > running irix 4.0 > > Can anyone help me?? > > thanks > > joyce > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 09:25:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25791; Sun, 5 Mar 95 09:25:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29777; Sun, 5 Mar 95 09:22:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29765; Sun, 5 Mar 95 09:22:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlJxP-00038FC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 09:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bnovick@netcom.com (Bob Novick) Subject: Pine 3.91 Attachments Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:01:59 GMT I recently upgraded from Pine 3.89 to Pine 3.91 and now have a problem with attachments. When sending or receiving an ascii file attachment it is displayed within the e-mail document itself rather than as an attachment. With 3.89 the file was not displayed in the e-mail document. How can I correct this problem? Bob Novick bnovick@netcom.com -- Bob Novick Impulse Research Los Angeles bnovick@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 14:20:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01895; Sun, 5 Mar 95 14:20:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03508; Sun, 5 Mar 95 14:14:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from CHAPLIN.BBN.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03502; Sun, 5 Mar 95 14:14:25 -0800 Received: from gorilla.bbn.com (GORILLA.BBN.COM [128.89.9.221]) by chaplin.bbn.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11436; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:14:24 -0500 Received: by gorilla.bbn.com (8.6.9) id RAA14501; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:14:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Bikel To: justin wells Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What is more user-friendly than a program ASKING the user what it should do? I agree that if pine failed to ask whether a user wanted a newsgroup reply posted, it would have failed in its user-friendliness. As it is, however, the program asked the appropriate question, and if the user was indeed DUMB ENOUGH not to choose Ctrl-G (Get context-sensitive help) when faced with a question he or she did not understand, then there is NO defense a program can take. Are you saying there should be two queries, the first asking what to do, and the second asking "are you SURE"? A user could enter "yes" both times--this is not the solution. Even in the best-designed program, a user can screw him/herself up (just as in everything). I've been using pine for two years, and I think it is an incredibly well-designed program, getting better and more flexible with each new revision. --dB. On Sun, 5 Mar 1995, justin wells wrote: > In article , > Frank Yao wrote: > > >justin wells wrote: > > [PINE is] > >>apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages > >>to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. > > >It's not pine that's stupid, but your friend. Pine is used as both a > >mail and newsreader. When it sees a newsgroup line, it will PROMPT > >the user, and ask if they want to post the article. Obviously, your > >friend replied, 'y'. > > Bzzt. You lose. PINE is supposed to be a system that naive users can > use, and this is exactly the kind of error a naive user is going to make. > Any system that fails to meet the expected needs of its expected users > is a failure. PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal > mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. > > Naive users are exactly that: people who don't have in-depth knowledge > of the systems they're using -- that's not stupidity, that's people who > have spent their lives doing other things, probably intelligently. > > What is stupid is the "the user is an idiot" response that programmers > spew every time their systems fail to meet human needs. > > > Justin > -- > .signature

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Universal Service." > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 16:02:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04197; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:02:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29784; Sun, 5 Mar 95 15:56:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29778; Sun, 5 Mar 95 15:56:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlQ9X-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 15:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 5 Mar 1995 23:54:57 GMT Message-Id: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> The authors of Pine thought it would be a good thing for Mail and News to be treated the same way. One result of this is that uninitiated users can very easily post a followup article to a mail reply to a news article. This is because Pine assumes that everything that has a Newsgroups header is a news article. Anyone who has spent any time studying various news user agents knows that this is not a valid assumption. The Pine authors can take one of two approaches to this problem. (1) Say, "If the lusers are too stupid to tell the difference between news and mail, that's not our problem." Or (2) come up with different criteria with which to judge whether something is from news or mail. I think one of these approaches is clearly better than the other. I suggest that when Pine writes a mail message to an folder, it make a note that it is mail and not news, and when it writes a news article to an folder, it make a note that it is news and not mail. One place to put this note is in the X-Status line that Pine uses to tell if a message/article is new, replied-to, etc. Possible X-Status lines could look like: [] New mail or news -- fall back on the "Newsgroups" method [X-Status: ] Read mail or news -- fall back on the "Newsgroups" method [X-Status: A] Answered mail or news -- fall back on "Newsgroups" method [X-Status: M] New mail [X-Status: N] New news [X-Status: MR] Read mail [X-Status: NR] Read news [X-Status: MA] Answered mail [X-Status: NA] Answered news I'm sure I've overlooked something (such as backwards compatibility--but X-Status isn't a real header anyway), but I think this is a step in the right direction. If backwards compatibility is important, then introducing an entirely new header (X-Is-This-Mail-Or-News) is a solution. (Of course if the authors of RFC 850 had choosen Article-ID rather than Message-ID, it would have been very easy to tell the difference between mail and news. Too late for that, I suppose.) -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 16:37:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05163; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:37:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05376; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:31:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05370; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:31:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlQf4-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jake Weltzin Subject: use of select (;) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:08:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello. I'm using version 3.91. Can I use select (;) in the view index to get delete messages efficiently - or do I have to push 'd' as I scroll thru my index looking for goodies? Ideas for efficiency? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 16:50:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05377; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:50:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00554; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:42:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00548; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:42:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlQqd-00038KC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jake Weltzin Subject: list of available newsgroups Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:11:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can I get a list of other available newsgroups that I can access with Pine 3.91. Thx. Jake From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 19:08:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08913; Sun, 5 Mar 95 19:08:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02467; Sun, 5 Mar 95 19:05:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02460; Sun, 5 Mar 95 19:04:59 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19616; Sun, 5 Mar 95 19:04:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: ashleigh@rain.org Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: limits on mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <3jauqq$e6k@news.rain.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is a limit of 1000 on a single distribution list. I'd forgotten about that until someone recently ran into it and found a bug. There is a limit of 65000 (or something like that) entries in an address book. Both of these limits will be removed in the next version. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 4 Mar 1995 ashleigh@rain.org wrote: > Can someone please tell me if there is a limit in PINE to the number of > names you can have on a Distribution List, or to the number of > Distribution Lists you can have? > > Ashleigh Brilliant > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 20:52:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10923; Sun, 5 Mar 95 20:52:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08810; Sun, 5 Mar 95 20:47:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08804; Sun, 5 Mar 95 20:47:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlUdm-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 20:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ted Stern Subject: prompt for alternate editor Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:51:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It seems to me that there used to be a prompt for the alternate editor in Pine 3.89, but there isn't now. In other words, when I hit ^_, I used to get something like Edit using alternate editor: emacs with the cursor positioned after the end of the editor name. I really liked this, because it allowed me to switch editors depending on various conditions. It would also be the easiest way to use ispell. But now I just get automatic insertion into the alternate editor. This seems to go against the principle of Pine asking you whether you want to do something unless you explicitly turn that reminder off. Am I missing some feature setting somewhere? -- Ted ============================================================================ Ted Stern (206) 685-9304 Dept. of Applied Math, FS-20 stern@amath.washington.edu University of Washington http://www.amath.washington.edu/~stern/ Seattle, WA 98195 ============================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 22:37:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13427; Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:37:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05136; Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:32:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05130; Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:32:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlWHj-00038FC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbrenner@nemo.weeg.uiowa.edu (Doug Brenner) Subject: Re: SUDDENLY pine won't mail more than 25 people????? Date: 5 Mar 95 19:44:49 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: rwockner@netcom.com's message of Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:27:55 GMT We started seeing a similar problem on one our machines since we upgraded to sendmail 8.6.10. Our machine is a RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.5. We are running Pine 3.91. I'm guessing that there is a buffer overrun in the new sendmail that is happening under AIX. (I haven't seen anyone in comp.mail.sendmail report similar problems, so this is only a guess.) Until we can track down the cause, we have been advising people to set their smtp-server variable to one of our SMTP machines. This seems to avoid the problem for now. Since the exact cause of this problem may be specific to your site, you should probably contact your local support staff for more information. In article rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) writes: > As of yesterday (but never before), when I put more than 25 addresses > (from one of my pine distribution lists) into a To:, Cc: or Bcc: header of > pine, I get an error message of "bus error" or "memory fault" right after > the "sending message" notation but before the "message sent" notation -- > and the message is, in fact, *not* being sent. Please advise. > > rwockner@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 23:11:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14114; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:11:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10649; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:07:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10643; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:07:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlWoU-00038HC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bruce Berris Subject: can't open folder lock message Date: 6 Mar 1995 05:38:13 GMT Message-Id: <3je745$ag1@warp.cris.com> Everything worked fine until I moved my installation to another drive. Now pine v3.89 running on a linux box v1.1.94, gives me a message "can't open folder lock, access is read only" and then "folder is open by another process". I ran ps and saw nothing using the folder. The help file mentions this problem and suggests another pine is using the mail folder, but this is not the case here. My file permissions seem to be ok. Anyone else tried to move their installation? Thanks for any ideas to fix this. Bruce Berris berris@cris.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 23:11:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14122; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:11:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10665; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:08:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10659; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:08:16 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04818; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:08:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Matt Messina Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution In-Reply-To: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Matt, I hesitate to perpetuate this thread, since the subject was exhausted previously, but nevertheless: o It's not the unification of mail and news handling that causes the problem you describe; it has to do with lack of consensus on how the newsgroups header should be used. (Ex: when you FORWARD a News msg to someone via mail, should the Newsgroups hdr be included in the 822 header of the mail message? I certainly don't think so, but some folks disagree, and many newsreaders do this, perhaps making the debate moot.) o Your proposed solution is unworkable because the primary problem has to do with message stores (e.g. Inbox) created by other programs, not by Pine. o Pine 3.92 will have improvements in this area. -teg On 5 Mar 1995, Matt Messina wrote: > The authors of Pine thought it would be a good thing for Mail and News to > be treated the same way. One result of this is that uninitiated users can > very easily post a followup article to a mail reply to a news article. > > This is because Pine assumes that everything that has a Newsgroups header > is a news article. Anyone who has spent any time studying various news > user agents knows that this is not a valid assumption. > > The Pine authors can take one of two approaches to this problem. (1) Say, > "If the lusers are too stupid to tell the difference between news and > mail, that's not our problem." Or (2) come up with different criteria > with which to judge whether something is from news or mail. I think one > of these approaches is clearly better than the other. > > I suggest that when Pine writes a mail message to an folder, it make a > note that it is mail and not news, and when it writes a news article to an > folder, it make a note that it is news and not mail. One place to put > this note is in the X-Status line that Pine uses to tell if a > message/article is new, replied-to, etc. Possible X-Status lines could > look like: > > [] New mail or news -- fall back on the "Newsgroups" method > [X-Status: ] Read mail or news -- fall back on the "Newsgroups" method > [X-Status: A] Answered mail or news -- fall back on "Newsgroups" method > [X-Status: M] New mail > [X-Status: N] New news > [X-Status: MR] Read mail > [X-Status: NR] Read news > [X-Status: MA] Answered mail > [X-Status: NA] Answered news > > I'm sure I've overlooked something (such as backwards compatibility--but > X-Status isn't a real header anyway), but I think this is a step in the > right direction. If backwards compatibility is important, then > introducing an entirely new header (X-Is-This-Mail-Or-News) is a solution. > > (Of course if the authors of RFC 850 had choosen Article-ID rather than > Message-ID, it would have been very easy to tell the difference between > mail and news. Too late for that, I suppose.) > -- > Matt Messina > messina@umich.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 23:42:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14695; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:42:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05869; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:37:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05863; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:37:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlXL6-00038aC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Matt X. Hunter" Subject: PC-Pine Date: 6 Mar 1995 03:12:30 GMT Message-Id: <3jduiu$sns@umt.umt.edu> I am wondering if PC-Pine can be used in the following situation. A LAN has only one Internet email address on a remote computer. The mutiple people on the LAN would like to read the list of email messages saving locally only those that pertain to them while leaving the rest for the others to read. Can PC-pine store all Internet email messages in one network accessible location and allow individuals on the network to save specific messages from the "spool" to their local machines? Thanks for your time and considerations Matt X. Hunter mathuntr@selway.umt.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 01:00:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16273; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:00:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12041; Mon, 6 Mar 95 00:53:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12035; Mon, 6 Mar 95 00:53:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlYUl-00038hC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: Auto Forward? Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:09:49 GMT On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:06:16 +0700, in comp.mail.pine, rancr@mahidol.ac.th (parading as RARC) managed to electronically scribble: % Hi everybody, % I need to go somewhere that I cannot connect to email system for a long % time. I want to forward my all coming mail to my friend. Could pine let me % do this? Please tell me directly if you know. % Thank you very much % Un -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Alternate: laniege@mail.auburn.edu | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Help stamp out and abolish repetitive redundancy! | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 01:38:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17348; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:38:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07415; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:30:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07409; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:30:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlZ2k-00038xC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 07:44:37 GMT In article <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, Matt Messina (messina@engin.umich.edu) wrote: >The authors of Pine thought it would be a good thing for Mail and News >to be treated the same way. One result of this is that uninitiated >users can very easily post a followup article to a mail reply to a news >article. A temporary (and very workable) solution was posted to news.software.readers not long ago. If you use procmail to sort and process your mail, place the following in your .procmailrc as the first recipe: :fhw ^Newsgroups: | formail -R Newsgroups: X-Newsgroups: This will change the Newsgroups: header in any e-mail message that has one to X-Newsgroups:, which will prevent Pine from posting the reply to the group. The more knowledgeable can turn on full headers with 'h' if they want to see this newsgroups line. (BTW, if you're thinking that Pine users couldn't possibly fathom procmail, let me assure you that I can't possibly be the only counter-example. :) Jeff From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 03:11:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19321; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:11:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13601; Mon, 6 Mar 95 02:53:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13595; Mon, 6 Mar 95 02:53:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlaN2-00038HC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 02:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fyao@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Frank Yao) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:17:30 GMT justin wells wrote: >Bzzt. You lose. PINE is supposed to be a system that naive users can >use, and this is exactly the kind of error a naive user is going to make. >Any system that fails to meet the expected needs of its expected users >is a failure. PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal >mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. Justin, the message/question that pine asks is clear enough. It runs something to the line of "Do you want to post to the newsgroup?". I'm not sure what the default answer is, but if the user doesn't take the time to read the prompt and just type away, how can you blame the program. It's not that the prompt was ambigious. >Naive users are exactly that: people who don't have in-depth knowledge >of the systems they're using -- that's not stupidity, that's people who >have spent their lives doing other things, probably intelligently. In-depth knowledge? You don't need in-depth knowledge to read a line off the bottom of the screen. It's in the same place that elm would ask whether or not you wish to purge the messages marked delete, etc. >What is stupid is the "the user is an idiot" response that programmers >spew every time their systems fail to meet human needs. In this case, it seems justified. If the user cannot take the time to read the prompt before hitting or entering their reply, who are we to blame? If you have "alias rm 'rm -i -r'" and do a rm * in your home directory, not read the confirmation message, and just 'y', are we to blame 'rm'? - frank -- ********************************************************************** * You may be right. I may be crazy. But it just may be a lunatic * * you're looking for. - Billy Joel * *************************** Frank Yao, fyao@csclub.uwaterloo.ca ****** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 03:12:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19372; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:12:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08607; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:08:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08601; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:08:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlacq-00038HC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Help Pt 1: Getting around newsgroups Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:07:06 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Try hitting 'I' for index... Hehehe. :) ___ _ _a' /( <. Simon Bradley, Knight Protector! / __><_>._ _ _ ___ ._ _ ~~ _}\ \( _ ) E-mail: syb3@aber.ac.uk \__ \| || ' ' |/ . \| ' | \(._(.)' Finger: syb3@osfb.aber.ac.uk <___/|_||_|_|_|\___/|_|_| ._>. _>. WWW: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~syb3/ On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Edward A. Hunter wrote: > I am in a newsgroup, scanning the index. I find a posting that I want to > look at. I move the highlighter to that posting then command "V" to see it. > Now comes the rub. I want to go from that open posting directly back to > the index. Is there anyway to do this? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 04:04:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20929; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:04:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14341; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:59:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay1.pipex.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14335; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:59:13 -0800 Received: from eos.co.uk (actually eos4.eos.co.uk) by flow.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:56:43 +0000 Received: from eos12 ([192.149.121.12]) by eos.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22167; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:04:44 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:53:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "Nathan G. Aldridge" X-Sender: earnga@eos12 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Using 'procmail' to serve Pine. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have recently downloaded the 'procmail' mail processing package and successfully got it to work. But, I have had trouble integrating any 'split' mail folders that procmail has created into Pine - it doesn't register that any messages arrive! Could someone who has experience using both give me some pointers. Thanks in advance Nathan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan G. Aldridge, Earth Observation Sciences Ltd | EMAIL : earnga@eos.co.uk Farnham, Surrey. UK | nathana@eos.co.uk | Tel: +44 (0) 1252 721444 x 210 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 04:17:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21447; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:17:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14780; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:12:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14774; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:12:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlbab-00038KC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: noe@io.org (Noe Zamel) Subject: Mail, News and Folders? Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 12:41:14 UNDEFINED Message-Id: Unfortunately, I now have 5 internet accounts and I'm trying to consolodate all my mail on one account. I have one account with POP and IMAP servers so I can forward all my mail to this account and retreive it with a SLIP POP3 client at home and with PINE at the university. However, when I set my inbox to in pine it prompts me for a username and password. I was hoping there is some way I can program PINE to enter my username and password automatically so I don't have to type them every time I check my mail. I also have a similar problem with mail. The account I generally work from at the university doesn't have an NNTP server. I have another account that does have this but if I set up PINE for that NNTP server I am denied access. Is there some way to get pine to enter in a username and password for an NNTP server? Finally, someone told me that you can set up PINE to automatically file new messages from a specific address to a specific folder (i.e. you can automatically save newslist messages to their own folders). Is this true, and if so, how do you do it? Thanks for any help you can give me, Ricardo Zamel University of Toronto From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 05:27:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23097; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:27:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10559; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:18:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10553; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:18:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlccG-00038LC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> <3jc9r7$srv@krant.cs.ruu.nl> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:51:16 GMT In article <3jc9r7$srv@krant.cs.ruu.nl>, Edwin Kremer wrote: >In <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) writes: > > | I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. [...] > | apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages > | to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. > >Bashing at some piece of software you never used yourself is just too >easy. If you have a serious comment on its functionality, you can bring >up suggestions here and get a useful discussion out of it. Well -- this problem has been a topic of discussion in comp.risks and alt.current-events.net-abuse, so I'll take that as pseudo-empirical evidence that PINE is failing a large number of its users, sometimes in ways that seriously compromise their privacy. Worse -- it compromises the privacy of people like me, who don't use it. >You mentioned Elm: I've been using Elm for years with great pleasure, but .. I won't defend Elm. I use it, but I'm rather a technical sort of person and Elm meets my needs. I think the problem with PINE is it is intended for use by naive users, but makes some assumptions that are contrary to the nature of the audience (many naive users don't understand the difference between e-mail and news, for example; or understand the implications of the word "post"). You can call naive users "stupid", but it won't save your product: If you expect your users to be stupid, your product is a failure unless it compensates for stupidity. -- .signature

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"One Policy. One System. Universal Service." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 05:28:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23123; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:28:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15562; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:18:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15556; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:18:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlccJ-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:56:46 GMT In article , Frank Yao wrote: >Justin, the message/question that pine asks is clear enough. [...] >In-depth knowledge? You don't need in-depth knowledge to read a line >off the bottom of the screen. [...] Why do people insist on asserting that software is logical and makes sense and is therefore OK, even though it is obviously failing its intended audience? The problem with naive users inadvertently posting private messages to public newsgroups is so widespread that it has been discussed several times in comp.risks and alt.current-events.net-abuse -- it's a clear failure, and no amount of rationalizing will save it. >...It's in the same place that elm would... Elm wasn't designed to be used by naive users. Well, not the same way PINE was. Elm work fine for me not because it doesn't suffer from the same problems as PINE, but because I'm one of the technical users the designers of elm were imagining when they created it (or rather, enough like the designers that the software they designed with no audience analysis works for me.) >In this case, it seems justified. If the user cannot take the time to >read the prompt before hitting or entering their reply, who >are we to blame? If you have "alias rm 'rm -i -r'" and do a rm * in >your home directory, not read the confirmation message, and just 'y', >are we to blame 'rm'? The software is *always* to blame. Really, there's no such thing as "human error" -- that's a crock made up by system designers so that they don't have to fix their software to make it usable. Justin -- .signature

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"One Policy. One System. Universal Service." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 05:41:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23414; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:41:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10681; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:28:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10675; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:28:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlckE-00038HC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: Auto Forward? Message-Id: References: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 12:59:50 GMT On Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:09:49 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, laniege@eng.auburn.edu (parading as Glenn E. Lanier) managed to electronically scribble: [Nothing] % On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:06:16 +0700, in comp.mail.pine, rancr@mahidol.ac.th % (parading as RARC) managed to electronically scribble: % % I need to go somewhere that I cannot connect to email system for a long % % time. I want to forward my all coming mail to my friend. Could pine let me % % do this? Please tell me directly if you know. Edit the ~/.forward file. Place the friends address on the first line. This should do it, unless your system has special requirements for .forward files. (The CoE network here requires the .forward to be placed in a central directory). -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Alternate: laniege@mail.auburn.edu | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Hard work never killed anyone but why take the risk? | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 09:45:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03240; Mon, 6 Mar 95 09:45:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20075; Mon, 6 Mar 95 09:28:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20011; Mon, 6 Mar 95 09:26:03 -0800 Received: by mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA47920; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:25:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:25:41 +0100 (MEZ) From: Ulrike Bantle To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:16:57 +0100 (MEZ) From: Andrea Maertens To: Uli Bantle Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:50:04 +0100 (MEZ) From: Klaus Borkenstein To: Maertens@mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:28:50 -0500 (EST) From: Rania Masri To: wael masri Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ...the word is freedom, and love, friendship and struggle, an expression of individuality ... Real imprisonment is the imposition of silence, and silence is death, decay, or madness. - Sherif Hetata ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 17:56:17 -0500 (EST) From: Laura Lynn Farha To: Heba Nimr , Laura Leonard , Rania Masri Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ANYONE OR GROUP. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:42:17 -0500 (EST) From: Eric David Fink To: sgs_net@umich.edu Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) > > > > >We've just recevied an emergency call from friends in Mexico. They tell us > > >that the Mexican army has surrounded the city of San Cristobal in Chiapas, > > >and that the hospital in the nearby city of Comitan is flooded with > > >casualities. The press is being excluded from the area. The people being > > >attacked are the Myan Indians, and other poor farmers, who've been denied > > >and and food since the conquest. > > > > > >They've asked that we try to get word about this out via email. While we > > >have no further information beyond this one call I ask you to pass this > > >message on, or tell anyone you think relevant via any means so that this > > >does not occur in silence. > > > > > >============================ > > >Chuck Goodwin > > >Anthropology > > >University of South Carolina > > >Colubmia SC 29208 > > > (803) 356-6006 > > > (803) 777-0259 (fax) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 10:18:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04960; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:18:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16081; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:08:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16075; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:08:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlh9z-00038QC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Best pine for Mac Date: 6 Mar 1995 08:29:09 -0800 Message-Id: References: David L Miller writes: >There is not currently a port of Pine to the Mac. Any plans for one??? Thanks, -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 10:24:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06445; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:24:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21031; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:08:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21025; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:08:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlh9g-00038OC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Way to check for new mail Date: 6 Mar 1995 08:27:01 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mike Lipscomb writes: >Also, if you are running Unix you can use the "from" command. Or frm or nfrm which are part of the elm package. -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 11:04:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09203; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:04:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22941; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:50:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22935; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:50:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlhnv-00038LC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwards%teaching.physics@ox.ac.uk (David Edwards) Subject: Re: "pico -w" and long lines Message-Id: <1995Mar6.170639.28941@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <1995Feb11.124954.23177@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <1995Feb19.193938.9282@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <1995Feb22.153442.29188@chemabs.uucp> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:06:39 GMT Larry W. Virden (lwv26@cas.org) wrote: > Note however that if Pico splits the References line at white space, > and starts the second thru nth line with white space, that the lines > need not be joined back together - that's a legit format for a news > header. Unfortunately, it doesn't always. -- _ _ ==========////==================================================== / //// David Edwards: Welcome to the real world... \ || _ _ //// http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~worc0058/ || || \\\\ //// edwards.teaching@physics.oxford.ac.uk || \ \\\X/// dwe101@tower.york.ac.uk Don't believe the hype... / ====\XXX/========================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 11:15:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10013; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:15:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18178; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:59:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18170; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:59:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlhwi-00038QC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Kolios Subject: Displaying new newsgroups ... Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:26:58 GMT I am using pine to read news as well as mail, and I have a question I have not yet figured out. In some newsreaders, when new newsgroups are added to your .newsrc, a prompt appears which asks you whether you want to subscribe to them. Is there a similar feature in pine? How do pine users deal with new newsgroups added (i.e. how do you know they are there) ? I have also seen positngs about FAQs on pine ... where are they ??? Mike ----------------- Michael C. Kolios Dept. Medical Biophysics / Hyperthermia group mkolios@oci.utoronto.ca University of Toronto (416) 924-0671 x5201 "Pan Metron Ariston" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 11:55:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13021; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:55:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24516; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:41:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24510; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:41:17 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA25676; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:40:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Alt_editor lost? To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are still using 3.89 due to limitations on our compilation machine. Recently, the ^_ command has ceased to be recognised...."unrecognised command" it says :( Where might I check in the source to see that I haven't removed something stupidly. The debugs show that I have enable-alternate-editor-cmd and that I have an editor defined, but still....command not recognised...I'm confused. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 12:16:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14193; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:16:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25300; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:09:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25294; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:09:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlj2N-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Message-Id: <17359115D5S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 19:45:23 GMT In article Nancy McGough writes: >Someone on the Pine team posted quite a while ago that a future release >of Pine will make it more clear to the user what the 3 options are >(post only, mail only, post & mail) and have the default be mail only. >In the meantime my recommendation to people who use trn, tin, nn or >any other newsreader that includes a Newsgroups header in mailed-only >messages is to include a note that says something like "This is a >private email message. Please do not post it." Since, as you say, the problem is that the respondent does not understand what the various options mean, I don't see how this is going to help. This problem needs fixing, urgently, by technical means. Appealing to (I'm sorry) clueless newbies to behave properly is not even a temporary solution, I'm afraid. You may find this difficult to believe, but some people who have been using email successfully for years have no idea what Usenet is, and would not understand the meaning of the word "post" in this sense at all. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 12:55:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15939; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:55:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20971; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:39:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20965; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:39:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rljTl-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 6 Mar 1995 09:19:51 -0801 Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) writes: >I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. Some e-mail I sent to a PINE >user was just inadvertantly posted, by them, to a newsgroup because PINE is >apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages >to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. This issue has been discussed to death on comp.mail.pine and comp.mail.headers so I'll try to keep this short. I agree with Justin that Pine's interface and behaviour is wrong in this case. But I also understand where the Pine team is coming from. The Newsgroups header in a news article is well defined - it means this article was posted to the specified newsgroup(s), but in a mail msg the Newsgroups header is not well defined (I don't think it's discussed in RFC 822). Since Pine is both a mailer and a newsreader they interpret headers to mean the union of the meanings of headers for mail (RFC 822) and news (RFC 1036). So, Pine interprets a Newsgroups header as meaning that the msg was posted and then Pine asks the user if she wants to post, mail, or post and mail her response. Problems arise because many newsreaders, including the ubiquitous trn, tin, and nn, put a Newsgroups header in msgs that were mailed only. Now, this is not necessarily wrong on the part of trn, tin, and nn since they are adding an undefined header to mail messages, but in retrospect it would have been better if these newsreaders had used a different header, maybe something like "X-Originated-In-Newsgroups". So, technically Pine is behaving reasonably but IN PRACTICE Pine's behaviour is not reasonable. Someone on the Pine team posted quite a while ago that a future release of Pine will make it more clear to the user what the 3 options are (post only, mail only, post & mail) and have the default be mail only. In the meantime my recommendation to people who use trn, tin, nn or any other newsreader that includes a Newsgroups header in mailed-only messages is to include a note that says something like "This is a private email message. Please do not post it." Hope this is helpful, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 13:08:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16983; Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:08:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26310; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:54:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26303; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:54:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rljlo-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 6 Mar 1995 19:10:50 GMT Message-Id: <3jfmnq$m5p@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > A temporary (and very workable) solution was posted to > news.software.readers not long ago. If you use procmail to sort > and process your mail, place the following in your .procmailrc as > the first recipe: > >:fhw >^Newsgroups: >| formail -R Newsgroups: X-Newsgroups: > > This will change the Newsgroups: header in any e-mail message that > has one to X-Newsgroups:, which will prevent Pine from posting the > reply to the group. The more knowledgeable can turn on full > headers with 'h' if they want to see this newsgroups line. Another possiblility is this procmail recipe: :0 fhw * !^Message-Id:.*Pine * ^Newsgroups: | formail -R Newsgroups: X-Newsgroups: which only changes the Newsgroups header in non-Pine messages. Since a Newsgroups header in a Pine message means that the message was indeed posted, it's ok for Pine to ask about posting responses to these messages. -Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 13:12:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17199; Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:12:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21431; Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:02:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21425; Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:02:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rljqr-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Best pine for Mac Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:58:58 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Mar 1995, Nancy McGough wrote: > Date: 6 Mar 1995 08:29:09 -0800 > From: Nancy McGough > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: Best pine for Mac > > David L Miller writes: > >There is not currently a port of Pine to the Mac. > > Any plans for one??? > We are starting to get quite a few requests, but we do not have any funding to pursue a Mac port... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 14:23:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20061; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:23:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28781; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:09:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28775; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:09:51 -0800 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #2001) id <01HNTH2EOA4Q96W551@INNOSOFT.COM>; Mon, 06 Mar 1995 14:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: Problem with WinPine not updating INBOX In-Reply-To: <3jfesb$r4g@netnet2.netnet.net> To: Philip Nelson Cc: INFO-PMDF@Ymir.Claremont.Edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, Philip Nelson wrote: > I have been trying to get Windows Pine to work with the latest PMDF > IMAP server. Everything is working except for the automatic updates > to the INBOX. If I delete a message in the INBOX and eXpunge the > INBOX will be updated but if left to the automatic 5 min. updates > nothing happens.. Pressing ^L will flash the * in the upper left > corner indicating network access but no update will occur. Has > anyone been able to get this to work correctly? > this is the known behavior for current versions of client (Pine or ECSmail) and server (PMDF IMAP). Basically to get at new mail messages in VMS MAIL, the server has to close the folder, and reopens it again. This is an expensive operation which when done automatically every 2.5 minutes on a large mailbox with hundreds or thousands of messages is not very "friendly". Pine does not close or reopens the folder explicitly, and the IMAP server does not do it implicitly. So the folder is not updated. Currently if you eXpunge the folder, then the server is forced to reopen it so you do get the new messages. (this will still be true in the future) Techincally, let's say I had 177 messages in my inbox, and 64 of which are NEW (RECENT or unread) when I opened it from Pine. Then I got a new message. On Pine, I pushed the down arrow at the last message, and Pine issues the NOOP command, to which PMDF's IMAP server responds with the number of RECENT (unread) messages, and the number of messages in the folder as * 177 EXISTS * 65 RECENT the number of EXISTS messages is not changed because the server's internal state of the folder is not changed. The number of RECENT messages is something the server got from the VMS MAIL's newmail count, which is a separately obtainable without having to close/reopen the folder. Apparently the answer is not enough to trigger Pine to know there are new messages. I would imagine Pine will be updated to use the CHECK command when the user forces a new mail check. PMDF's IMAP server is updated in the next version of PMDF to close and reopens the folder when the CHECK command is received. /portia portia@innosoft.com Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 14:47:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21186; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:47:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24478; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:37:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24472; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:37:41 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:37:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 06:37:05 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Alan J Flavell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) In-Reply-To: <17359115D5S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, Alan J Flavell wrote: > You may find this difficult to believe, but some people who have > been using email successfully for years have no idea what Usenet > is, and would not understand the meaning of the word "post" in > this sense at all. As was stated in various replies, the next release will attempt to correct the preceived problem. Just curious, do you think a newbie or an unelightened email user would understand: "Your message is being posted for thousands to read, do your want this?" Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 15:38:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24582; Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:38:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02060; Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:30:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02054; Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:30:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlmCU-00038dC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:24:02 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes: > The authors of Pine thought it would be a good thing for Mail and News to > be treated the same way. One result of this is that uninitiated users can > very easily post a followup article to a mail reply to a news article. > > This is because Pine assumes that everything that has a Newsgroups header > is a news article. Anyone who has spent any time studying various news > user agents knows that this is not a valid assumption. What Pine is assuming is that the Newsgroups: header has the meaning defined in RFC 1036--that it lists the newsgroup or newsgroups in which the message belongs. The problem is that various news user agents sometimes use that header for a completely different purpose. The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same thing and manipulate the same objects, modulo differing requirements placed on the set of headers by the transport systems. Pine is hardly the first user agent to combine news and mail, it is certainly going to be the last. In such agents, it is normal to have a folder containing some messages received through the mail transport system and others received through the news transport system. It is unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are "news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret any given header field. The correct solution is to not make field-names context sensitive. User agents should not create Newsgroups: headers that do not have a meaning other than that defined by RFC 1036 or its successors. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 17:29:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00138; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:29:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01252; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:14:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01246; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:14:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlnqN-00038KC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Amy Lauderdale Subject: Re: PINE Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:19:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > and Elm meets my needs. I think the problem with PINE is it is intended for > use by naive users, but makes some assumptions that are contrary to the > nature of the audience (many naive users don't understand the difference > between e-mail and news, for example; or understand the implications of > the word "post"). > > You can call naive users "stupid", but it won't save your product: If you > expect your users to be stupid, your product is a failure unless it > compensates for stupidity. I just have to jump in on this discussion. Pine is fantastic. It has been a lifesaver in teaching newcomers how to use email. I started out last year with unix mail and it was so hard for me, who had never used computers at all. Pine was so much simpler, and yes, it is for naive newbies. This year I have helped many new teachers and students on internet learn to use pine. It is a wonderful program. Specifically, as several others have pointed out, it asks you if you want to post to the newsgroup. That is pretty plain for even the most naive. But just in case it's not, pine also warns you, "posted message may go to thousands of readers. post it?" Surely anyone, if not sure what that means, would say no, if not intending to send it to thousands of folks.... It seems to me, that you have been embarrassed by someone's "accidental" post to a newsgroup (maybe it was intentional?)....and are taking it out on the makers of pine. Something new users around here are often warned about is that email is NOT totally private. Once you send something, it may end up anywhere, and you should consider that when you send it. I not only love pine, but I love this newsgroup, because up until this thread, it has been one of the most pleasant flame-free newsgroups I have had a chance to read. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 17:36:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00332; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:36:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06192; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:21:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06186; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:21:23 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA23989; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:39:43 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00376; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:27:20 +0800 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:27:20 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503062327.AA00376@wizard> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Tips: Windows PC-Pine hangs, and Unknown Host X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1186 Thought I'd pass on a couple solution that I encountered while installing PC-Pine under windows and with PCNFS: Running under DOS with PCNFS: Problem: Unknown Host I have managed to get PC-Pine for PCNFS to run under DOS, it was unable to locate the remote host but I freed up some main memory - it now has 5603k and it works fine (thanks to Clinton Bittel). Running under Windows with winsock.dll: Problem: Hangs opening INBOX Unfortunately, the Windows winsock version will not run. It hangs while trying to open INBOX. I upgraded the winsock.dll to Dec. 25, 1993 24576B and it no longer hangs. You may want to try a more recent version, but I've got to worry about whether it will work with my sqllink drivers. Cheers, David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen College, Lower Mainland BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 19:30:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03705; Mon, 6 Mar 95 19:30:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08047; Mon, 6 Mar 95 19:24:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08041; Mon, 6 Mar 95 19:24:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlppR-00038KC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 19:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 7 Mar 1995 02:20:05 GMT Message-Id: <3jgfsl$44a@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In John Gardiner Myers writes: >What Pine is assuming is that the Newsgroups: header has the meaning >defined in RFC 1036--that it lists the newsgroup or newsgroups in >which the message belongs. >The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, >is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same >thing and manipulate the same objects... >It is >unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are >"news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret >any given header field. I see four questionable assumptions here: 1. The meaning of the Newsgroups: header according to RFC 1036 applies to email. 2. News and email are fundamentally the same thing. 3. It is reasonable that software should discard useful out-of-band information. 4. Established practice means nothing. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 20:13:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04905; Mon, 6 Mar 95 20:13:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03901; Mon, 6 Mar 95 20:10:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03895; Mon, 6 Mar 95 20:10:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlqa8-00038nC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 20:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Jesus M. Arias Jr" Subject: PC PINE or WINPINE Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:38:41 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Where can I get a copy of these programs? Does anyone have the FTP site and path handy? - zeus From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 00:17:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10409; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:17:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12123; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:10:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12117; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:10:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rluJw-00038KC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Shannon.Adams@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Shannon Ray Adams) Subject: Ascii Art Newgroup? Date: 7 Mar 1995 00:41:09 GMT Message-Id: <3jga35$pgs@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> I am looking for someone to draw a picture of my company logo in ASCII. This will be used .sig. Any takers? Is there an appropriate newsgroup to post this? Please respond e-mail as I don't read this newsgroup often. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Launchpad is an experimental internet BBS. The views of its users do not necessarily represent those of UNC-Chapel Hill, OIT, or the SysOps. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 01:11:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12062; Tue, 7 Mar 95 01:11:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08039; Tue, 7 Mar 95 01:05:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from qhepu1.oeaw.ac.at by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08033; Tue, 7 Mar 95 01:05:54 -0800 Received: by qhepu1.oeaw.ac.at (5.0/SMI-SVR4-DNI-8.0) id AA22486; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:05:12 --100 From: wolfgang@qhepu1.oeaw.ac.at (Wolfgang Schuller) Message-Id: <9503070905.AA22486@qhepu1.oeaw.ac.at> Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:05:11 MET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 21 subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 02:51:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14167; Tue, 7 Mar 95 02:51:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09289; Tue, 7 Mar 95 02:39:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09283; Tue, 7 Mar 95 02:39:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlwXi-00038yC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 02:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: corton@maine.mainelink.net (JC) Subject: Needed :Autoreply Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:24:52 GMT Message-Id: <3jgn6k$s5s@maine.mainelink.net> We are a local ISP running BSDI UNIX and Pine 3.89. We are looking for a way to autoreply to requests for information, with the ability to capture the incoming addresses for future follow up. Three questions 1) what is the best program out there to do the process, and 2)does pine have a function to do this that we are missing. 3)is the source code available in case we want to hack somthing slightly different ourselves? as always e-mail appreciated, over posts, but either will do. Thanks -- ############# ########## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ####### ########## Jim "Call Corton" Corton Internet Maine and Century 21 Balfour, Portland, Maine Representing both buyers and sellers, but not at the same time. e-mail corton@mainelink.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 03:20:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14886; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:20:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14675; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:13:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14669; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:13:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlx7u-000391C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: geoholt@netcom.com (George Holt) Subject: Re: Error with Distribution list over 20 Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 05:35:50 GMT Rex Wockner (rwockner@netcom.com) wrote: : Pine lets you make mailing lists. : For months I have used pine in the same way and now suddenly it is : sending error messages. : I have pine mailing lists for friends. Some have only 10 names on them, : some have perhaps 80. : When I use pine in this way, I send the message to myself and bcc the : mailing list I have created--inserting the name of my list and letting : pine then insert all the addresses. : For the past 2 days whenever I bcc more than about 20 addresses, pine : gives me a "bus error" or "memory fault" error. : This error appears between the "sending message" and "message sent" : notations. : And even though it does finally say "message sent," in fact the messages : are not being sent. No one has received them and I have not received the : copy to myself. : The only way to stop this, is to return to pine and bcc no more than 15 : or 20 people. : Pine always worked fine before with larger numbers of bcc's. : Please help. : rwockner@netcom.com : -- : -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- : Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter : -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- : Life is short. Have an adventure today. : -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I see that you are on Netcom. I have the exact same problem. I have 9 distribution lists of 90 names each. Since Mid December I have been using the lists to send my stock report each market day without major problems. Starting last thursday I began getting inquiries as to "what happened to the report??" . Since I run batch files I was not aware of the error messages until tonight. I ran the lists one at a time and each time got either a "memory fault" or a "bus error" message. I called Netcom earlier this evening and was told to try the NUGLOPS Pine "Vers 3.91" They also suggested that I get on the Netcom computer with the lightest load. I tried this without success, so I aclled back. I was told that someone who is failiar with Pine will call me back tommorrow. Like you, I am able to send small lists without problem. -- George Holt geoholt@netcom.com Holt Report ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ge/geoholt/holt_rpt.htm Archive gopher://wuecon.wustl.edu:671/11/holt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 03:59:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15743; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:59:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10171; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:52:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10165; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:52:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlxdF-000393C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sean Neylon Subject: Please help me??? Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:49:11 +1000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thankyou for reading my mail... O.K. I wish to establish a .sig I used pico to edit a file and I saved it .sig in my home directory. It must be there..because I can control r (retrieve the file) manually. So therefor I have created a file in my home directory called .sig Now ..when I send a mail to myself...it does not pick it up.. What am I doing wrong or what have I not done..???? a bit of info.. Now in the Pine config....it says in the signiture bit... using ".sig" (or something similar) is that the right command,,or what should I have here.. Please,,, please someone be kind enough to email me.. saratoga@pyromania.apana.org.au And please remember I am a newbie...and I mean a newbie.. So real basic language please.. I appreciate anyone who trys to asisst me... Thankyou for taking interest, Sean Neylon..... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 04:27:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17058; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:27:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15727; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:16:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15721; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:16:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rly6k-00039BC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gdunning@uoguelph.ca (Galen A Dunning) Subject: how to get told about mail in unix Date: 6 Mar 1995 23:25:35 GMT Message-Id: <3jg5lf$aep@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> I know some people get told in unix that they have unread mail, and I was just wondering how to do this. I assume it has something to do with configuring pine, but I am not sure. Thanks for any help. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 04:42:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17391; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:42:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10937; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:36:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10931; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:36:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlySg-00038zC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 7 Mar 1995 05:19:22 GMT Message-Id: <3jgqcq$h82@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> In news.software.readers, nancym@ii.com (Nancy McGough) writes: >In the meantime my recommendation to people who use trn, tin, nn or >any other newsreader that includes a Newsgroups header in mailed-only >messages is to include a note that says something like "This is a >private email message. Please do not post it." Or to delete the Newsgroups: header prior to mailing the response. That would be the only foolproof method, right? Indeed, I might just make that patch to my already customized tin. Remove inclusion of the Newsgroups: header, but include the References: header. That and get it to stop automatically including Followup-To: headers that have the same contents of the Newsgroups: header. And... well, I'm rambling now. -- ----' gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) ------, ,-|-, "Some say he's the devil himself." "I heard he was _ ----' '-' a giant chicken!" -- Highlander Boo: The Chickening d b CC From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 05:09:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18436; Tue, 7 Mar 95 05:09:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16309; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:56:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16295; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:56:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlyjv-00038KC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sysop@mome-raths.iac.net (March Hare) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: <2f5b509f.4d4f4d45@mome-raths.iac.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 13:12:47 -0500 References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Once upon a time, justin wells (rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) in was overhead by the Queen of Hearts: : Bzzt. You lose. PINE is supposed to be a system that naive users can : use, and this is exactly the kind of error a naive user is going to make. : Any system that fails to meet the expected needs of its expected users : is a failure. PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal : mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. Well, I could at least see your point up until that last one. If programmers aren't supposed to design it, then who is? What is it that you think programmers do, anyhow? I'm not going to say that all aspects of PINE are just peachy-keen, but I know a lot of non-programmers that use it all of the time. Your argument, therefore, falls very very flat. John -- Mome Raths BBS sevot yhtils eht dna ,gillirb sawT` ^. .^ (513)523-7887 ebaw eht ni elbmig dna eryg diD ( @ ) Oxford, Ohio ,sevogorob eht erew ysmim llA .ebargtuo shtar emom eht dnA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 05:46:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19430; Tue, 7 Mar 95 05:46:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11928; Tue, 7 Mar 95 05:40:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from woolf.individual.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11922; Tue, 7 Mar 95 05:40:51 -0800 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA12950; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:38:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: Adam J Weitzman To: March Hare Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE In-Reply-To: <2f5b509f.4d4f4d45@mome-raths.iac.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, March Hare wrote: > Once upon a time, justin wells (rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) in was overhead by the Queen of Hearts: > : PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal > : mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. > > Well, I could at least see your point up until that last one. If > programmers aren't supposed to design it, then who is? Design people maybe? I'm a programmer, and honestly, I couldn't distinguish a good UI from a bad one to save my life. I know what *I* like, but what I like and what works for everybody are, more often than not, two somewhat different things. The best programs are the ones that combine both. I think Pine does a very admirable job in this respect (its handling of the Newsgroups header notwithstanding), because I like it, *and* the non-technical people here like it. I think one way to "fix" the Newsgroups problem is to allow disabling of the news-posting capability altogether when I compile the program. (Is this already possible?) That would at least cut down on its size *and* circumvent this confusion entirely. Force the user to use a different package to post news. That's what I would like to do when/if I install Pine 3.91 here for general consumption. I disagree with Justin's point, but I can see very clearly where it comes from. - Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. weitzman@individual.com "Music, music, everywhere, but not a drop to drink." - Little Annie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 06:40:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20875; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:40:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12623; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:25:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from noc.ns.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12617; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:25:44 -0800 Received: from miketv.ns.itd.umich.edu (miketv.ns.itd.umich.edu [192.231.253.15]) by noc.ns.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA15738 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:23:59 -0500 Received: (natalies@localhost) by miketv.ns.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA24950; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:25:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Svaan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine collection folders and procmail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone had any trouble getting procmail to work after setting up collection-folders in Pine to organize your mail? +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ Natalie Svaan Network Operations Center Computer Systems Consultant ITD Network Systems natalies@umich.edu University of Michigan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 07:03:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21373; Tue, 7 Mar 95 07:03:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18097; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:57:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18091; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:57:43 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA15741; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:56:55 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rm0hA-0013EVC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:57 EST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:57:07 -0500 (EST) From: Vince Vielhaber X-Sender: vev@garnet.msen.com To: Adam J Weitzman Cc: March Hare , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, March Hare wrote: > > > Once upon a time, justin wells (rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) in was overhead by the Queen of Hearts: > > : PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal > > : mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. > > > > Well, I could at least see your point up until that last one. If > > programmers aren't supposed to design it, then who is? > > Design people maybe? > > I'm a programmer, and honestly, I couldn't distinguish a good UI from a > bad one to save my life. I know what *I* like, but what I like and what > works for everybody are, more often than not, two somewhat different > things. The best programs are the ones that combine both. I think Pine > does a very admirable job in this respect (its handling of the Newsgroups > header notwithstanding), because I like it, *and* the non-technical people > here like it. > > I think one way to "fix" the Newsgroups problem is to allow disabling of > the news-posting capability altogether when I compile the program. (Is > this already possible?) That would at least cut down on its size *and* > circumvent this confusion entirely. Force the user to use a different > package to post news. That's what I would like to do when/if I install > Pine 3.91 here for general consumption. > > I disagree with Justin's point, but I can see very clearly where it comes > from. > > - Adam J Weitzman > Individual, Inc. > weitzman@individual.com > "Music, music, everywhere, but not a drop to drink." - Little Annie > I wouldn't want to see it as a compile time option, but could see it disabled as a default, and one would have to enable it thru setup. But in the interim, I liked someone else's suggestion of post, mail, both or however it was actually worded. Vince. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 08:22:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23988; Tue, 7 Mar 95 08:22:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19622; Tue, 7 Mar 95 08:16:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [168.166.0.67] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19616; Tue, 7 Mar 95 08:16:23 -0800 Received: by services (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02586; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:13:14 +0600 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:13:13 -0600 (CST) From: James Proffer To: Sean Neylon Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Please help me??? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 779 On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Sean Neylon wrote: > > I used pico to edit a file and I saved it .sig in my home directory. > It must be there..because I can control r (retrieve the file) manually. > > So therefor I have created a file in my home directory called .sig > > > Now ..when I send a mail to myself...it does not pick it up.. > > What am I doing wrong or what have I not done..???? > Try renaming .sig to .signature. That should do what you want. Missouri State Data Center <*>James Proffer: UNIX sysadm The Source for Missouri State | Phone: (314) 751-1544 Fax: (314) 751-3299 Government Information | Internet: jproffer@services.state.mo.us Gopher: TBA | jproffer@mail.more.net WWW: http://www.ecodev.state.mo.us/mohome.htm From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 09:40:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28818; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:40:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16896; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:25:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16889; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:25:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm2w7-000395C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: PC_PINE/WATTCP.CFG hangs trying to open INBOX - help! Date: 7 Mar 1995 11:45:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3ji2jl$2k4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I'm using DOS 5.0 and the ncsa packet driver for ne2000. ncsa telnet works fine, so does ftp. The name server on the network seems to be functioning properly -- at least ftp uses it, and nslookup works. So, the network seems to be ok. Having failed also with CONFIG.TEL, I'm trying to use WATTCP.CFG. PC_PINE hangs trying to open the INBOX. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Here is my PINERC and WATTCP.CFG. I hope you can see a problem. Thanks for your time. Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com 813-388-4441 ======BEGIN WATTCP.CFG======= # # Waterloo TCP/IP configuration file (used by PC-Pine) # # The IP Address of your PC my_ip=204.199.126.3 # IP address of the gateway on your PC's subnet gateway=204.199.126.1 # The subnet mask appropriate for your PC's subnet netmask=255.255.255.0 # IP address of name servers (DNS) used by your PC # If more than one (a good idea), list each individually nameserver=204.199.126.2 #nameserver=128.95.120.1 # List of domain suffixes added to host names before # sent to DNS server. Allows you to place the commonly # typed, ending portions of hostnames here, and then # automatically appends them to host names used in PC-Pine. domainslist=marinelab.sarasota.fl.us =======END WATTCP.CFG========= ===========Begin PINERC======== # Updated by Pine(tm) 3.91, copyright 1989-1993 University of Washington. # # Pine configuration file -- customize as needed. # # This file sets the configuration options used by Pine and PC-Pine. If you # are using Pine on a Unix system, there may be a system-wide configuration # file which sets the defaults for these variables. There are comments in # this file to explain each variable, but if you have questions about # specific settings see the section on configuration options in the Pine # notes. On Unix, run pine -conf to see how system defaults have been set. # For variables that accept multiple values, list elements are separated # by commas. A line beginning with a space or tab is considered to be a # continuation of the previous line. For a variable to be unset its value # must be blank. To set a variable to the empty string its value should # be "". You can override system defaults by setting a variable to the # empty string. Switch variables are set to either "yes" or "no", and # default to "no". # Lines beginning with "#" are comments, and ignored by Pine. ########################### Essential Parameters ########################### # Over-rides your full name from Unix password file. Required for PC-Pine. personal-name=Don Hayward # Your login/e-mail user name user-id=don # Sets domain part of From: and local addresses in outgoing mail. user-domain=marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail. #smtp-server=204.199.126.2 smtp-server=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # NNTP server for posting news. Also sets news-collections for news reading. #nntp-server=204.199.126.2 nntp-server=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). inbox-path={isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us}INBOX ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files ##################### # List of incoming msg folders besides INBOX, e.g. ={host2}inbox, {host3}inbox # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-host-name}folder-path incoming-folders= # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[] # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] folder-collections=Desktop c:\mail\[] # folder-collections=Main {204.199.126.2}mail/[], Desktop c:\mail\[] # folder-collections= # List, only needed if nntp-server not set, or news is on a different host # than used for NNTP posting. Examples: News *[] or News *{host3/nntp}[] # Syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[] news-collections= # Over-rides default path for sent-mail folder, e.g. =old-mail (using first # folder collection dir) or ={host2}sent-mail or ="" (to suppress saving). # Default: sent-mail (Unix) or SENTMAIL.MTX (PC) in default folder collection. default-fcc= # Over-rides default path for postponed messages folder, e.g. =pm (which uses # first folder collection dir) or ={host4}pm (using home dir on host4). # Default: postponed-mail (Unix) or POSTPONE.MTX (PC) in default fldr coltn. postponed-folder= # If set, specifies where already-read messages will be moved upon quitting. read-message-folder= # Over-rides default path for signature file. Default is ~/.signature signature-file=c:\dons\pine.sig # List of file or path names for global/shared addressbook(s). # Default: none # Syntax: optnl-label path-name global-address-book=LAB-ADDRESSES {isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us}/root/.addressbook # List of file or path names for personal addressbook(s). # Default: ~/.addressbook (Unix) or \PINE\ADDRBOOK (PC) # Syntax: optnl-label path-name address-book=c:\dons\addrbook ############################### Preferences ################################ # List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set. # e.g. feature-list= select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom # Default condition for all of the features is no-. feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs, auto-open-next-unread # Pine executes these keys upon startup (e.g. to view msg 13: i,j,1,3,CR,v) initial-keystroke-list= # Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages default-composer-hdrs= # Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing customized-hdrs= # Determines default folder name for Saves... # Choices: default-folder, by-sender, by-from, by-recipient, last-folder-used. # Default: "default-folder", i.e. "saved-messages" (Unix) or "SAVEMAIL" (PC). saved-msg-name-rule= # Determines default name for Fcc... # Choices: default-fcc, by-recipient, last-fcc-used. # Default: "default-fcc" (see also "default-fcc=" variable.) fcc-name-rule= # Sets presentation order of messages in Index. Choices: # subject, from, arrival, date, size. Default: "arrival". sort-key= # Sets presentation order of address book entries. Choices: dont-sort, # fullname-with-lists-last, fullname, nickname-with-lists-last, nickname # Default: "fullname-with-lists-last". addrbook-sort-rule= # Reflects capabilities of the display you have. Default: US-ASCII. # Typical alternatives include ISO-8859-x, (x is a number between 1 and 9). character-set= # Specifies the program invoked by ^_ in the Composer, # or the "enable-alternate-editor-implicitly" feature. editor=e # Program to view images (e.g. GIF or TIFF attachments). image-viewer= # If "user-domain" not set, strips hostname in FROM address. (Unix only) use-only-domain-name= ########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line ########## # Your printer selection printer= # Special print command if it isn't one of the standard printers personal-print-command= # Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning. last-time-prune-questioned=95.3 # Set by Pine; controls display of "new version" message. last-version-used=3.91 # Full path and name of NEWSRC file newsrc-path= # Extension used for local folder names (".MTX" by default). folder-extension= # Choose: black,blue,green,cyan,red,magenta,yellow,or white (CAPS=BLINKING). normal-foreground-color=green normal-background-color=black reverse-foreground-color=black reverse-background-color=green ===============End PINERC========= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 09:49:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29210; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:49:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23089; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:40:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23083; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:40:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm3CW-00038LC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davisc@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu (Christopher Davis ) Subject: forwarding mail to newsgroups Message-Id: Date: 6 Mar 95 21:20:44 GMT Does anyone know how to forward a mail message to a newsgroup? Thanks in advance. Chris -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Chris Davis + I am Pentium of Borg. + + Georgetown University + Division is futile. + + davisc@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu + You will be approximated. + From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 09:57:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29719; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:57:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18208; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:52:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18202; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:52:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm3Ns-000391C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bmckinne@viking.dvc.edu (Brian McKinney) Subject: Mailing to Newsgroups from Pine Date: 7 Mar 1995 09:11:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3ji43c$931@viking.dvc.edu> Now that the decwrl.dec.com gateway from Pine to newsgroups has been closed, are there any other gateways from Pine to newsgroups? (Asked another way, is it possible to mail to newsgroups from Pine and, if so how do you do it, please?) -- Brian McKinney | "Famous: Conspicuously miserable." Diablo Valley College | (Written before Di and O.J.) Ambrose Bierce From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 10:18:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00530; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:18:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23776; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:09:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23764; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:09:22 -0800 Received: from trex (trex.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA00889; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:10:26 -0800 Received: from A3-13 by trex (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24783; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:10:24 +0800 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:06:12 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq To: MMLDHaywar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC_PINE/WATTCP.CFG hangs trying to open INBOX - help! X-Sender: david@trex In-Reply-To: <3ji2jl$2k4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 904 On 7 Mar 1995, MMLDHaywar wrote: > > I'm using DOS 5.0 and the ncsa packet driver for ne2000. ncsa telnet > works fine, > so does ftp. The name server on the network seems to be functioning > properly -- > at least ftp uses it, and nslookup works. So, the network seems to be ok. > > PC-Pine Hangs trying to open INBOX This happened to me, although with different network drivers, my solution was to make room in main memory. Shoot for 560k Good luck, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen College, Lower Mainland BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 10:46:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01794; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:46:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19396; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:38:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19390; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:38:29 -0800 Received: by udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA24576; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:47:40 CST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:47:39 -0600 (CST) From: Beto_Del_Valle To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 11:37:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04997; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:37:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26474; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:21:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nsipo.arc.nasa.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26446; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:21:06 -0800 Received: by nsipo.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.10/1.5) id LAA05875; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:21:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Anthony Villasenor - NSI Program Manager To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: BCC ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to attach a warning label for BCC messages, to alert the receiver? Currently, there is no such warning, and the receiver may not "catch' the fact that he/she is being blind-carbon-copied on the message. An example of such a warning label would be: -------------- BLIND CARBON COPY MESSAGE ------------- Thanks, Tony Villasenor From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 11:40:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05083; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:40:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21985; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:27:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21979; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:27:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm4py-00038MC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cwolfshe@goober.mbhs.edu (Chad Wolfsheimer) Subject: Success on VAX/VMS? Date: 7 Mar 1995 18:22:02 GMT Message-Id: <3ji88a$quu@mvhs1.mbhs.edu> -- ___ _ ____ ___ _ __ / _ )(_)__/ / |/ /__ (_)__ / /____ ____ / _ / / _ / /|_/ / -_) (_- Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05311; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:45:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27137; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:22:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27131; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:22:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm4lp-00038MC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rogers@eagle.sangamon.edu (Bill Rogers) Subject: 3.91 and dld.sl on HP-ux??? Date: 7 Mar 1995 17:49:14 GMT Message-Id: <3ji6aq$4lm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Got the archive from HP repository, compile and install work fine, but first time I try to compose a note: /lib/dld.sl: Unresolved symbol: vtinit (code) from bin/pinebin and it dies a horrible death????? I played with the TERMIO defs in os-hpp.h but the default is as good as it gets. Left it the default. using hp-ux 9.04 and dld.sl: SMART_BIND Revision 1.126 This looks like it should be a very simple problem to fix, HELP!!!!! Thanks, Bill -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> Bill Rogers, Assistant Director for Academic Computing Services <> <> Sangamon State University, HSB-115 <> <> Springfield, Il 62794-9243 fax:217-786-7188 <> <> Internet:rogers@eagle.sangamon.edu voice:217-786-7352(Mon.->Fri.) <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 11:51:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05643; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:51:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27384; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:33:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27378; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:33:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm4vV-00038MC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vermil@zeus.franklin.edu (Robert Vermilyer) Subject: Looking for binary Message-Id: <1995Mar7.182603.4980@zeus.franklin.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:26:03 GMT Does anyone know where I can find a binary for a VAX3300 running ultrix? Bob Vermilyer -- Bob Vermilyer vermil@franklin.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 12:38:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07745; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:38:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23482; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:26:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23476; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:26:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm5m4-000391C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Pritchard Subject: FAQ and/or PINE for DG/UX Date: 6 Mar 1995 23:50:35 GMT Message-Id: <3jg74b$jnd@insosf1.infonet.net> I am looking for the PINE FAQ, which will hopefully tell me what PINE is all available on and where the binaries are, or if someone might direct me where I might find it for Data General Unix (DG/UX), would be greatly appreciated... Thanks John Pritchard Catalyst Solutions pritchj@netins.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 12:42:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07934; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:42:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28912; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:31:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28906; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:31:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm5q3-00038QC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: drolick@ccnet.com (David Olick) Subject: Pine attachment help Date: 7 Mar 1995 19:25:32 GMT Message-Id: <3jibvc$1fe@ccnet.ccnet.com> I was sent a message with a gif file "attached." I can't seem to separate the gif file from the message or make my gif reader recognize the result. A "V" with a save and a filename does not seem to create a useable file. It seems to save the message and the binary file. Do I need to use the same reader that the sender used? Any suggestions? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 15:53:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17618; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:53:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04063; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:36:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04055; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:36:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm8mL-00038gC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sang@unixg.ubc.ca (The Love Monkey!) Subject: HOW DO YOU "TALK"...sob... Date: 7 Mar 1995 23:01:52 GMT Message-Id: <3jiol0$o3b@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Someone told me that you could get into the cofig function and enable a talk function. I have looked and looked. I cannot find it. I am on the edge of a complete and utter emotional break-down. I am so lost. Can anyone out there help me? Please. Sang (lost in Canada) :( From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 16:06:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18318; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:06:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28715; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:35:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28709; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:35:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm8i9-00038MC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dazed@xs4all.nl (Mike Schenk) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 7 Mar 1995 22:20:52 GMT Message-Id: <3jim84$kuh@news.xs4all.nl> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> John Gardiner Myers writes in comp.mail.headers,news.software.readers,comp.mail.pine: >messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes: >What Pine is assuming is that the Newsgroups: header has the meaning >defined in RFC 1036--that it lists the newsgroup or newsgroups in >which the message belongs. The problem is that various news user >agents sometimes use that header for a completely different purpose. > >The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, >is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same >thing and manipulate the same objects, modulo differing requirements >placed on the set of headers by the transport systems. > >Pine is hardly the first user agent to combine news and mail, it is >certainly going to be the last. In such agents, it is normal to have >a folder containing some messages received through the mail transport >system and others received through the news transport system. It is >unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are >"news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret >any given header field. > >The correct solution is to not make field-names context sensitive. >User agents should not create Newsgroups: headers that do not have a >meaning other than that defined by RFC 1036 or its successors. Ignoring whether or not your solution is desirable, it certainly is not feasible in practice and therefore cannot be a correct solution. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 16:54:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20223; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:54:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00649; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:48:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00643; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:48:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm9oq-00038gC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) Subject: Re: Way to check for new mail Date: 7 Mar 1995 18:30:47 -0600 Message-Id: <3jitrn$2gu@paducah.cs.utexas.edu> References: [ Nancy McGough wrote the following on "comp.mail.pine": ] -> Mike Lipscomb writes: -> >Also, if you are running Unix you can use the "from" command. -> -> Or frm or nfrm which are part of the elm package. Try "frm -t -n -v" Ananda -- Ananda M. Kar |(H)458-9754 | URL: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/ananda/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am Pentium of Borg , Division is futile , You will be Approximated From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 17:07:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21272; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:07:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05971; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:52:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from falcon.liunet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05965; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:52:02 -0800 Received: from aurora.liunet.edu by falcon.liunet.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16630; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:44:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:49:22 -0500 Message-Id: <95030719492276@aurora.liunet.edu> From: lray@aurora.liunet.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine for VMS X-Vms-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" I'm having some difficulty installing PINE 3.91 on a dec. alpha (VMS). I can't figure out how to define the "folder-collections" correctly so that PINE looks in the right place for folders. Does anyone know the correct syntax? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 17:34:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22049; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:34:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01654; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:27:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01648; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:27:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmASk-00038QC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Success on VAX/VMS? Message-Id: <1735A13C1CS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <3ji88a$quu@mvhs1.mbhs.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:28:29 GMT In article <3ji88a$quu@mvhs1.mbhs.edu> cwolfshe@goober.mbhs.edu (Chad Wolfsheimer) writes: > (sig deleted for brevity ;-) The answer is yes, in conjunction with a fix emailed by Yehavi. If you want more detail, try this: http://d1.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/vms-pine.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 17:40:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22268; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:40:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06900; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:27:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06894; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:27:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmAUB-00038gC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bill@bill.fp.trw.com Subject: Help with PCPINE-Winsock Date: 6 Mar 1995 02:07:36 GMT Message-Id: <3jdqp9$q58@dailyplanet.fp.trw.com> I am trying to get PCPINE for Winsock up and running with the Internet in a Box software. I have read and reread the PINE documentation but am missing something. I cannot find a way to open the remote inbox. I have tried many variations in the configuration file. Any suggestions? Bill Gehrke bill@bill.fp.trw.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 17:59:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23033; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:59:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02126; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:51:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02120; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:51:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmArG-00038gC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: forwarding mail to newsgroups Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:10:27 GMT On 6 Mar 95 21:20:44 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, davisc@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu (parading as Christopher Davis) managed to electronically scribble: % Does anyone know how to forward a mail message to a newsgroup? % Thanks in advance. Just f for forward, ^R for rich header, enter the newsgroup name on the newsgroup line. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 92 Days - 132651 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | United States of America: CONNECT 4 July 1776, NO CARRIER 8 Nov 1994 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 19:02:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25223; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:02:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08417; Tue, 7 Mar 95 18:52:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08411; Tue, 7 Mar 95 18:52:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmBn4-00038TC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 18:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmg@pentagon.io.com (David) Subject: HELP: Setting distribution for news posted with pine? Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:02:10 -0600 Message-Id: <3jie42$t6s@pentagon.io.com> How does Pine determine the distribution of messages posted to usenet? This isn't exaclty an _IO_ question. I am posting from pine at another site, but the posts only show up in newsgroups at that site, not here or anywhere else. I tried adding "Distribution:" as a customized header, but pine is stripping it from the outgoing messages. It doesn't strip X-Headers, however. Any information is appreciated. -- David dmg@io.com -- ---David M Girardot-----dmg@io.com------http://www.io.com/~dmg------------- - "It is a foolish constituency of little mimes. " ------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 19:54:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26410; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:54:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03874; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:38:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03868; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:38:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmCVB-00038kC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: j_chivas@vcc7.vcc.bc.ca (Jim Chivas ***) Subject: Fax software and PINE Date: 7 Mar 1995 16:54:24 GMT Message-Id: <3ji340$i6d@vcc7.vcc.bc.ca> Greetings: I would like to get some information on Unix FAX software. I am looking for either commercial or shareware fax software that either runs standalone or can be accessed thru Pine. My user wants to be able to e-mail and fax people hopefully by entering their fax address in the Pine address book. Can anyone shed some light on available software or ideas? Thanks Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 20:07:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26796; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:07:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09135; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:42:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09129; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:42:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmCbd-00038kC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ncherry@unixg.ubc.ca (nancy lynn cherry) Subject: why does pine return messages to sender Date: 7 Mar 1995 18:20:48 GMT Message-Id: <3ji860$mr1@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> when people e-mail me the message is automatically returned to them. i do wget a copy of the message, but my friends keep telling me to fix my account because it bugs them. if you know how to fix this problem please e-mail me with the answer. THANKS. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 20:14:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26933; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:14:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04142; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:57:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04136; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:57:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmCos-000391C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:09:39 GMT I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with John Stanley about anything, let alone RFC compliance, but, well, there you go. In article <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, John Stanley wrote: >In article , >John Gardiner Myers wrote: > >>The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, >>is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same >>thing and manipulate the same objects, modulo differing requirements >>placed on the set of headers by the transport systems. > >The objects they manipulate are fundamentally different, as can be >evidenced by the fact that people complain that their mail was posted. >If it's the same, barring transport mechanism, why do people complain? Precisely. Even though news and mail are, at a technical level, extremely similar messaging systems, those who use them tend to treat them as oil and water. It is imperative that the tools used to handle mail and news be capable of making an equally strong distinction; even though the user may want to do many similar things to both media, it can be catastrophic to confuse one for the other. >>In such agents, it is normal to have >>a folder containing some messages received through the mail transport >>system and others received through the news transport system. It is >>unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are >>"news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret >>any given header field. > >That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can >remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this >thing, I'll bet it's news.") Of course. It is not beyond imagining that perhaps the Pine client could insert a header into each message describing its original (and therefore default) disposition -- a PINE-Status header, if you will, describing whether the message originated from news or mail (or some other source). In fact, the mail agent I currently use, MM, does rather a similar thing in order to keep store MM-specific concepts in a Berkeley-format mailbox. And, oh! by some miracle of coincidence, one of the co-authors of MM was Mark Crispin! Fancy that. -- Unsolicited commercial electronic mail sent to this address will be proofread at a cost of $200/hour (one half-hour minimum). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 20:18:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27070; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:18:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09513; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:09:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09507; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:09:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmD0D-00038WC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 8 Mar 1995 01:08:13 GMT Message-Id: <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article , John Gardiner Myers wrote: Oh, goody. Here we go, again. >What Pine is assuming is that the Newsgroups: header has the meaning >defined in RFC 1036--that it lists the newsgroup or newsgroups in >which the message belongs. Unfortunately, RFC 1036 defines headers for NEWS, but NOT FOR MAIL. In a mail message, "Newsgroups" is undefined. It has NO meaning. At worst, it has ONLY the meaning the agent who puts it in wants it to have. Unfortunately, Pine's assumption about what other systems meant is not correct, and it leads to problems, and the Pine people know this but adamantly refuse to change or fix the program. >The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, >is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same >thing and manipulate the same objects, modulo differing requirements >placed on the set of headers by the transport systems. The objects they manipulate are fundamentally different, as can be evidenced by the fact that people complain that their mail was posted. If it's the same, barring transport mechanism, why do people complain? You may use them for the same thing, and that is fine. I don't care if you drive screws with a hammer, but that doesn't make a screwdriver and a hammer fundamentally the same thing. >Pine is hardly the first user agent to combine news and mail, it is >certainly going to be the last. I hope so. At least, any that DO follow would do well to learn from Pine's mistakes and know which headers are defined and which aren't. >In such agents, it is normal to have >a folder containing some messages received through the mail transport >system and others received through the news transport system. It is >unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are >"news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret >any given header field. That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for mail, it really does need to know which is which. >The correct solution is to not make field-names context sensitive. >User agents should not create Newsgroups: headers that do not have a >meaning other than that defined by RFC 1036 or its successors. Mail user agents are not bound by news user agent RFC. It would be nice if "newsgroups" headers didn't show up in anything but news, but they do and will continue to do so until someone goes to every site in the world and replaces the software there. Are you volunteering? What we CAN say about the correct solution is that it is NOT "screw anyone who's mail software doesn't obey the news RFC". From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 20:46:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28155; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:46:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04860; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:43:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04854; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:43:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmDXB-00038HC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rob@sunrae.uel.ac.uk (Rob Smith) Subject: Getting mail from Novell Date: 7 Mar 1995 07:59:07 GMT Message-Id: <3jh3ob$6qh@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> I wonder if anybody can help me at all, At present I am running Linux on a 486 on our university network All my mail is stored onto a novell server (3.12) that is running POP3 Now I know in the FAQ it said that Pine was not using POP but at a later date it might, Has anyone managed to do this, or am I barking up the wrong tree? Thanks for taking time to read this message of hope! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 22:12:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00254; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:12:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11276; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:07:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11270; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:07:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmEtX-00038cC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 8 Mar 1995 06:01:59 GMT Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jfmnq$m5p@news1.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough wrote: >Another possiblility is this procmail recipe: > >:0 fhw >* !^Message-Id:.*Pine >* ^Newsgroups: >| formail -R Newsgroups: X-Newsgroups: > >which only changes the Newsgroups header in non-Pine messages. Since >a Newsgroups header in a Pine message means that the message was >indeed posted, it's ok for Pine to ask about posting responses to >these messages. Unless RFC 822 *prohibits* the word "Pine" from appearing in a Message-ID of a non-Pine message, this recipe makes use of an invalid assumption. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 22:43:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00977; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:43:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06410; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:38:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06404; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:38:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmFKf-00038XC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: u3302099@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Salarin Kongsma - RAMD - 3302099 ) Subject: Need Help.... Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:58:15 GMT Message-Id: <3jhsa7$lh@mars.mahidol.ac.th> hello... i want to know how to send gif and what program i need for sending it..do u know about it? if u do...help me PLEASE thank you so much :) :) :) puff... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 00:40:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03908; Wed, 8 Mar 95 00:40:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13289; Wed, 8 Mar 95 00:34:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13283; Wed, 8 Mar 95 00:34:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmH95-00038QC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 00:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: seldon@eskimo.com (Will Mengarini) Subject: Re: how to get told about mail in unix Message-Id: References: <3jg5lf$aep@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:22:39 GMT gdunning@uoguelph.ca (Galen A Dunning) writes: >I know some people get told in unix that they have unread mail, and I was >just wondering how to do this. I assume it has something to do with >configuring pine, but I am not sure. Thanks for any help. No, they're using biff. Type "man biff". The Jargon File can explain the etymology of the name. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 03:05:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07857; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:05:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09926; Wed, 8 Mar 95 02:57:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09920; Wed, 8 Mar 95 02:57:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmJPy-00038cC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 02:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hessa@acf2.nyu.edu (Andrew J. Hess) Subject: Re: can't open folder lock message Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:32:19 GMT Message-Id: <3jfdej$qc9@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <3je745$ag1@warp.cris.com> I had a similar experience when I logged on without quiting pine beforehand. One of the messages gave a process number, and when I typed "kill (number)" from the unix prompt, I was able to use pine normally again. Ps didn't show the process for me, either. Wow. I can give advice! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Andrew Hess American Language Institute, hessa@acf2.nyu.edu New York University - http:www/nyu/edu/pages/hess/cities.html City University of NY Bruce Berris (berris@cris.com) wrote: : Everything worked fine until I moved my installation to another drive. : Now pine v3.89 running on a linux box v1.1.94, gives me a message : "can't open folder lock, access is read only" and then "folder is : open by another process". I ran ps and saw nothing using the folder. : The help file mentions this problem and suggests another pine is using : the mail folder, but this is not the case here. My file permissions : seem to be ok. Anyone else tried to move their installation? : Thanks for any ideas to fix this. : Bruce Berris : berris@cris.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 04:07:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10029; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:07:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16069; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:57:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16063; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:57:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmKMK-00038gC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tomc@pinn.net (Tom Cole) Subject: Reading WP 5.1 file into Pine Date: 8 Mar 1995 02:24:51 GMT Message-Id: <3jj4hj$hb0@everest.pinn.net> I would like to know the correct way to read this type of ASCII text file into the body of a email message----I use (Pine 3.91). When I put (^R) read rather long files inside Pine it gets to be a pain to have to move the cursor to the beginning of the text file and do a ^J format (justify) all the way down to eliminate word wrap, double spaces, control characters, etc. Is there a better way to do this? TIA, Thomas S. Cole "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" INTERNET ADDRESS: tomc@pinn.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 04:53:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11240; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:53:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11588; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:44:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11582; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:44:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmL49-00038hC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gt6161c@prism.gatech.edu (Christopher Ryan Sidi) Subject: How to automatically expire listserv mail? Date: 7 Mar 1995 18:55:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3jirou$k6@acmey.gatech.edu> Hi, I asked alt.config to make alt.alumni.nc-school-s+m for students who went to the North Carolina School of Science & Math for 11th and 12th grade. Well, they told me "no" and a listserv was the way to go. Is there another option besides a Newsgroup, listserv, WWW newsgroup? If I go with listserv and GaTech and NCCSM won't do the listserv, is there a site that will support it? I know procmail and filter can send the mail off to certain folders. Can one get a listserv to act like a newsgroup in pine? Can one set up something that automatically deletes listserv messages if read, too old, or the file gets too big? Can we get Pine to not show read messages? Or can we fool a news reader into thinking a listserv is a newsgroup? Thanks....ListServ seems like a crappy choice for a "social" group, Chris -- Christopher Ryan Sidi ---> I'm looking for a cool co-op job <--- 36161 Georgia Tech Station ---> that involves EE & CS work! <--- Atlanta,GA 30332 (404)206-1456 home:(704)875-2292 gt6161c@prism.gatech.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 04:56:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11293; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:56:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17059; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:52:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17053; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:52:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmLBE-00038KC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Pine for VMS Message-Id: <1735BA889S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <95030719492276@aurora.liunet.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:59:01 GMT In article <95030719492276@aurora.liunet.edu> lray@aurora.liunet.edu writes: >I'm having some difficulty installing PINE 3.91 on a dec. alpha (VMS). >I can't figure out how to define the "folder-collections" correctly so >that PINE looks in the right place for folders. Does anyone know the >correct syntax? If you are talking about Yehavi's port of PINE for VMS, from HUJI, then please look for the file README.VMS and follow its instructions. You'll need to get a couple of things right - default-fcc is another. Read my other followup (posted yesterday) if you want more detail. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 04:59:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11399; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:59:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11719; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:52:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11713; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:52:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmLCY-00038eC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cool Hacker Subject: Re: BCC ? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:53:12 GMT > > Is there any way to attach a warning label for BCC messages, to > alert the receiver? Currently, there is no such warning, and > the receiver may not "catch' the fact that he/she is being > blind-carbon-copied on the message. > > An example of such a warning label would be: > > -------------- BLIND CARBON COPY MESSAGE ------------- > > > Thanks, > > Tony Villasenor I thought that that's the whole purpose of haing Bcc in the first place duh!!! Why not use CC [0m-- [7mThe above is a result of random neuron activity in the writer's brain. [0m [7m \\\/// [0m / _ _ \ [7m (| (.)(.) |) [0m+---------------------oOOo- () -oOOo---------------------------------+ [7m......| |......................................POLYTECHNIC UNIVERSITY. [0m......| |.............__ ....__......................... Computer Eng. [7m......| |.\ /\.. | \.../ ..| |...__.......................... 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[7m \ ( ( ) [0m \_) ) / [7m (_/ [0m From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 05:09:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11906; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:09:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11781; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:58:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from is1.hk.super.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11775; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:58:53 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA23583 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:58:46 +0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:58:45 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung To: "Andrew J. Hess" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: can't open folder lock message In-Reply-To: <3jfdej$qc9@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Mar 1995, Andrew J. Hess wrote: > I had a similar experience when I logged on without quiting pine > beforehand. One of the messages gave a process number, and when I typed > "kill (number)" from the unix prompt, I was able to use pine normally > again. Ps didn't show the process for me, either. Try "ps agux|grep " instead. Hope this helps. -- Kevin Yeung email: keviny@hk.super.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 05:12:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12044; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:12:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17291; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:06:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17285; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:06:52 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA04907 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:06:50 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA13435; Wed, 8 Mar 95 08:05:19 EST Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BCC ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Cool Hacker wrote: > > > > Is there any way to attach a warning label for BCC messages, to > > alert the receiver? Currently, there is no such warning, and > > the receiver may not "catch' the fact that he/she is being > > blind-carbon-copied on the message. > > > > An example of such a warning label would be: > > > > -------------- BLIND CARBON COPY MESSAGE ------------- > > > I thought that that's the whole purpose of haing Bcc in the first place duh!!! > > Why not use CC > WADR, I think the point is that, where there is a need for BCC, there is a need for the BCC recipients to know that the TOs and CCs don't know that the BCCs have a copy. A couple of reasons we use BCC are: - Don't was TOs and CCs to know about the BCCs for CYA reasons - Don't want to provide a list of email contacts besides sender and limited CCs. If it is really important that the BCCs know they are being blind copied, we forward a copy of the message TO them, prepending a note explaining that the following message was sent... and they are being provided with a blind copy. VTR Don sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 05:50:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13085; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:50:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12482; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:40:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12474; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:39:56 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA13533; Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:38:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:38:03 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky Reply-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BCC ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Cool Hacker wrote: > >=20 > > Is there any way to attach a warning label for BCC messages, to > > alert the receiver? Currently, there is no such warning, and > > the receiver may not "catch' the fact that he/she is being > > blind-carbon-copied on the message. > >=20 > > An example of such a warning label would be: > >=20 > > -------------- BLIND CARBON COPY MESSAGE ------------- > >=20 > >=20 > > Thanks, > >=20 > > Tony Villasenor > I thought that that's the whole purpose of haing Bcc in the first place d= uh!!! >=20 > Why not use CC I think that warning was ment for BCC receivers, not for those who are at= =20 To: list. I would like to know if it is possible, too. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe WWW (will) be at http://www.utia.cas.cz/home/WWW/data/user_data/vs/vs-home.= http From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 07:49:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17307; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:49:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19608; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:26:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19602; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:26:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmNY6-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vman@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (J. Wagner) Subject: Unseen mail appearing Date: 7 Mar 1995 21:12:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3jjeci$dou@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Today when I opened a previous read mail in Pine and went to reply to the sender..I noticed that in the body of the message at the bottom was a new piece of mail that didn't appear when I opened the "inbox" folder to check for new mail. This is really strange...I wasn't able to see this new piece of mail until I chose r to reply to sender and then chose to keep the senders message in the body of my reply. Any ideas? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 07:54:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17590; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:54:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14557; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:43:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14551; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:43:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmNqq-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tritech@technet.sg (TriTech Microelectronics) Subject: IMAPD Date: 7 Mar 1995 09:19:48 GMT Message-Id: <3jh8fk$l4t@raffles.technet.sg> I trying to set up an imap server on a SUN running SUNOS 4.1.X. I got the file imapd-bin.sun.Z from ftp.cac.washington.edu. I change the /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf to get the daemon running at port 143, but it doesn't work. What can be the reason? Please help! Thanks. - Ang From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 07:56:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17780; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:56:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14453; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:37:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14447; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:37:57 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA03511; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:39:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:39:17 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: No control key on keyboard Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Pine-Info: I saw this question on the list a couple of weeks ago, but don't remember seeing a response. I apololgize for re-posting it: I have users who are using a Mac Plus with no control key. Is there an alternate keystroke? Thanks, Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 07:58:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17899; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:58:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19879; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:38:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19865; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:38:22 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA12466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:38:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:38:15 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Malformed news posting Message-Id: A user of pine 3.91 on our system has got automated messages from a site in Chicago claiming his usenet posts have malformed headers for followup messages. We don't know what the problem is. Unusual factors: Our news system has had history file problems, and disk full problems. Because of the disk full problem, the messages that ended up getting this warning were postponed and then continued before posting. Could the postponing lose the information that the posting is a followup? I wonder why no one else is getting the same automated message. No one else postpones and retries? No one else tells us? Unknown. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu The username here has been altered to aaa999, the real name has been omitted, and the text of the usenet post has been removed. --------------- Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 01:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: aaa999@columbia.edu To: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Your malformed news posting in Message-Id: Tim: I'm forwarding this on to our system administrators. [further text of this message omitted] On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: > [The following is a purely generic email message; you should not > receive more than one copy of this posting per week.] > > Hm... I see you got mail from me about this before, but it's been over a > week since the last one, and the problem seems to be an ongoing one, so I > (or rather, my mindless perlbot) thought maybe you could use a reminder. > > You have just posted a message (quoted below for the sake of > reference) using a newsreader that generates incorrect message > headers. In particular, your followup did not contain a proper > References: header field (see below). While I realize that this was > almost certainly unintentional on your part, it is still a severe > burden, because it causes all threaded newsreaders to misbehave by > making your article show up as a strange, out-of-sequence, > non-threaded subject. > > You should also be aware that because your news message was malformed, > there may be gateways and transport agents out there that DROP IT ON > THE FLOOR! For example, the INN program, a very popular transport > agent, has code in it which will do this if enabled. Your messages > may be lost! > > If you manually deleted the References: line when editing, perhaps > from Pnews or postnews, then please stop. Otherwise, please contact > your news administrator or service provider and carefully explain to > them that they need to upgrade or otherwise fix the broken software > they're having you use. (Many BBS systems and well-known "commercial" > service providers are currently doing this wrong.) > > Considering how much news traffic there is, anything we can do to make > it easier to read (or not read) articles would seem worthwhile. This > message is meant to educate, not intimidate. If you have any > questions regarding just what the devil I'm talking about, or perhaps > have some input about how to make this message more informative and > friendly, please feel free to send me direct email. > > thanks, > T. > > ps: In case you (or your service provider) aren't aware of what I'm > talking about, the RFC (Internet standards doc) governing this is > 1036, which is now seven years old. I quote: > > If the article is submitted in response to another article > (e.g., is a "followup") the default subject should begin with > the four characters "Re: " and the References line is > required. > > AND > > [References] is required for all follow-up articles, and > forbidden when a new subject is raised. > > Original message follows: > > > Xref: uchinews soc.motss:245498 > > Path: uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!news.columbia.edu!inibara.cc.columbia.edu!aaa999 > > From: aaa999@columbia.edu> > > Newsgroups: soc.motss > > Subject: Re: GREG LOUGANIS AND 20/20 > > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:40:08 -0500 > > Organization: Columbia University > > Lines: 97 > > Message-ID: > > NNTP-Posting-Host: inibara.cc.columbia.edu > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > X-Sender: aaa999@inibara.cc.columbia.edu > > In-Reply-To: > > > > I've found the negative disussions in this thread very curious and > > unsettling. > > [ remaining text of article deleted-- just plain ascii ] > > > -- > Tim Pierce > Systems Programmer, University of Chicago > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 08:24:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19369; Wed, 8 Mar 95 08:24:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20707; Wed, 8 Mar 95 08:14:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uucp13.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20701; Wed, 8 Mar 95 08:14:19 -0800 Received: by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.9/SMI-4.1) id IAA16646; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:04:22 -0800 Received: from speedy.CHS by chs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05090; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:01:35 MST Received: by speedy.CHS (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00696; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:01:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:01:45 -0700 From: suehaf@CHS.chs.com (Hafezzadeh) Message-Id: <9503081601.AA00696@speedy.CHS> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: wyse50 terminal and pine Cc: pine@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Hello, all We have installed pine 3.91 on our SunOS4.1.x and it runs great. The only problem is when we try to run it on a pc with the wyse50 terminal emulator or on a wyse50 terminal using the unix host, the look of pine changes. The arrow keys don't work properly and some other problem as well. Is pine not suppose to work with the wyse50 terminal emulator and if not is there a way around it. Thanks so much for any respond.... -Sue From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 09:19:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23509; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:19:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22355; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:08:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22349; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:08:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmPB3-00038KC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjdoran@cml.com (mjdoran) Subject: Removing a KILLFILE Date: 6 Mar 1995 23:58:15 GMT Message-Id: <3jg7in$d7b@news.compulink.com> Hi, I'm looking for info on how I would go about removing a Killfile. 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My user wants to be able > to e-mail and fax people hopefully by entering their fax address in the Pine > address book. > Can anyone shed some light on available software or ideas? > > Thanks > Jim > I'm a happy fxvision customer. Very nice. I've never tried to use it with Pine, though. J.J.Bailey Consultant jjb@jagware.bcc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:04:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29685; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:04:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19831; Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:54:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elwha.evergreen.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19825; Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:54:28 -0800 Received: by elwha.evergreen.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Jan95-8.2MPM) id AA15236; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:52:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:52:54 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Pollock Subject: Re: Reading WP 5.1 file into Pine To: Tom Cole Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3jj4hj$hb0@everest.pinn.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can think of a couple of things to try. Format the document with margins narrow enough to avoid triggering the word wrap function. Save the document as DOS text (this may leave you with double line spacing) before you insert the document into your message, and avoid the control and formatting characters (your message implied to me that you were working with the document in WP format). After you insert the document, postpone the message. My recollection is that when you resume a postponed document, you are placed at the beginning of the message. Joe Pollock The Evergreen State College On 8 Mar 1995, Tom Cole wrote: > I would like to know the correct way to read this type of ASCII text file > into the body of a email message----I use (Pine 3.91). > > When I put (^R) read rather long files inside Pine it gets to be a pain > to have to move the cursor to the beginning of the text file and do a ^J > format (justify) all the way down to eliminate word wrap, double spaces, > control characters, etc. > > Is there a better way to do this? > > TIA, > Thomas S. Cole > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" > INTERNET ADDRESS: tomc@pinn.net > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:10:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00444; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:10:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20028; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:00:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20012; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:00:42 -0800 Received: from trex (trex.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA11734; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:01:38 -0800 Received: from A3-13 by trex (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02388; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:01:37 +0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq To: Pine Mailing List Subject: Remote folders empty X-Sender: david@trex Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 749 I'm using the winsock version of pine and adding remote folders to folder-collections, I'm also enabling expanded folders. The folder names are displayed with their optional titles and designation as remote but they are displayed as empty lists. If I goto these folders they come up normally. Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:14:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00685; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:14:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25783; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:03:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25775; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:03:20 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA15472 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:03:17 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA17280; Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:01:51 EST Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:50 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reading WP 5.1 file into Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Joe Pollock wrote: > > After you insert the document, postpone the message. My recollection is > that when you resume a postponed document, you are placed at the > beginning of the message. > You can skip this step. Just use ^W^Y to position to beginning fo file while composing. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:56:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02900; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:56:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27148; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:47:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27142; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:47:22 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA02740; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:45:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: wyse50 terminal and pine To: Hafezzadeh Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9503081601.AA00696@speedy.CHS> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Hafezzadeh wrote: > Hello, all > We have installed pine 3.91 on our SunOS4.1.x and it runs great. The only > problem is when we try to run it on a pc with the wyse50 terminal emulator or > on a wyse50 terminal using the unix host, the look of pine changes. The arrow > keys don't work properly and some other problem as well. Is pine not suppose > to work with the wyse50 terminal emulator and if not is there a way around it. > > Thanks so much for any respond.... I got this from someone else...but maybe someone might consider adding it to the FAQ -------------------------------------------cut here---------------------- #!/bin/sh wpinesetup(){ echo "\nSetting up Wyse arrow and function keys..." # Next/Prev Page echo "\033Z1r \0177\c" echo "\033Z1w-\0177\c" # Char/Line delete echo "\033Z15\04\0177\c" echo "\033Z16\013\0177\c" # Arrow keys echo "\033Z1+\033[A\0177\c" echo "\033Z1,\033[B\0177\c" echo "\033Z1.\033[C\0177\c" echo "\033Z1-\033[D\0177\c" echo "Done\n" } wpinereset() { echo "\nResetting standard Wyse arrow/function keys..." #t/Prev Page echo "\033Z1r\0177\c" echo "\033Z1w\0177\c" # Char/Line delete echo "\033Z15\0177\c" echo "\033Z16\0177\c" # Arrow keys echo "\033Z1+\0177\c" echo "\033Z1.\0177\c" echo "\033Z1,\0177\c" echo "\033Z1-\0177\c" echo "Done.\n" } if [ "$TERM" != "wyse50" ] then pine1 $* clear exit fi trap wpinereset 0 1 2 3 15 wpinesetup pine1 $* wpinereset clear exit B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 12:28:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04667; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:28:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22064; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:09:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22058; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:09:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmS1L-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cool Hacker Subject: Re: Please help me??? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:49:45 GMT > > Thankyou for reading my mail... > > O.K. I wish to establish a .sig > > I used pico to edit a file and I saved it .sig in my home directory. > It must be there..because I can control r (retrieve the file) manually. > > So therefor I have created a file in my home directory called .sig > > > Now ..when I send a mail to myself...it does not pick it up.. > > What am I doing wrong or what have I not done..???? > > > a bit of info.. > > Now in the Pine config....it says in the signiture bit... > > using ".sig" (or something similar) > > is that the right command,,or what should I have here.. > > > Please,,, please someone be kind enough to email me.. > > saratoga@pyromania.apana.org.au > > And please remember I am a newbie...and I mean a newbie.. > So real basic language please.. > > I appreciate anyone who trys to asisst me... > > Thankyou for taking interest, > > Sean Neylon..... > > mv .sig to .signature in your homedirectory [0m-- [7mThe above is a result of random neuron activity in the writer's brain. 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[7m \ ( ( ) [0m \_) ) / [7m (_/ [0m From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 12:40:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05268; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:40:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28255; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:25:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28249; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:25:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmSAs-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 8 Mar 1995 06:22:02 GMT Message-Id: <3jjiea$71c@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Terry Gray wrote: > o It's not the unification of mail and news handling that causes the > problem you describe; it has to do with lack of consensus on how the > newsgroups header should be used. (Ex: when you FORWARD a News msg to > someone via mail, should the Newsgroups hdr be included in the 822 header > of the mail message? I certainly don't think so, but some folks > disagree, and many newsreaders do this, perhaps making the debate moot.) Should it be? Probably not. But the relevent question is, "Is it prohibited?" > o Your proposed solution is unworkable because the primary problem has > to do with message stores (e.g. Inbox) created by other programs, not by > Pine. In those cases, fall back upon the "Newsgroups method." Or preferably, a header that is less likely to occur in a mail message. (How about Path?) > o Pine 3.92 will have improvements in this area. Good. Now if my admins would just upgrade from 3.87... -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 13:11:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07268; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:11:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23042; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:44:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23036; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:44:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmSSZ-00038OC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Unseen mail appearing Date: 8 Mar 1995 06:37:24 GMT Message-Id: <3jjjb4$765@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3jjeci$dou@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> J. Wagner wrote: >Today when I opened a previous read mail in Pine and went to reply to the >sender..I noticed that in the body of the message at the bottom was a new >piece of mail that didn't appear when I opened the "inbox" folder to This is probably a problem with your mail server. It could be inserting extra characters at the beginning of the second message ("new piece" above) which cause Pine (IMAP, whoever does the work at that point) to not recognize the beginning of a message. The second message is seen as part of the first message. I can't solve your problem, but if you tell your admins about it, maybe they can. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 13:14:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07439; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:14:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28951; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:48:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28945; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:48:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmSdt-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dan Cwiertniewicz Subject: Design Information Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:15:17 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wayne State University is considering using Pine as its mail agent for the entire student population (30000). If there are other universities that have done this, we'd like to know about your experiences. Feel free to email me directly, or post here. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 14:13:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10403; Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:13:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25547; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:45:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25541; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:45:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmTP7-00038hC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: PC_PINE-packet driver-NE2000 any successes ? Date: 8 Mar 1995 09:42:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3jkfoe$hhi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> If you have had success using the ncsa packet driver and NE2000 NIC with PC_PINE, please let me know. I would appreciate seeing your pinerc file and your wattcp.cfg or config.tel file, whichever you are using, as well as an idea of the free conventional ram your running it under.. I have not been able to get them to work together. I suspect it cannot be done and I'm going to have to find another NIC. This is sad as we already own several NE2000 type cards. BTW --- on the same machine, all the same hardware, running linux, pine works very well, going to the same IMAP server. I wish I could stay in linux. But I'm trying to set up a system for about 20 DOS/Windows users and I need a solution for that side. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com Mote Marine Laboratory, 1600 Thompson Parkway, Sarasota FL 34236 Voice: 813-388-4441 Fax: 813-388-4312 We are an independent, nonprofit marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed herein are not those of MML unless specifically so indicated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 15:42:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15497; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:42:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04071; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:12:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04065; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:12:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmUlp-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc56056@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chris Clayton ) Subject: Re: Remote folders empty Date: 8 Mar 1995 22:07:37 GMT Message-Id: <3jl9r9$g27@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) writes: >I'm using the winsock version of pine and adding remote folders to >folder-collections, I'm also enabling expanded folders. The folder names >are displayed with their optional titles and designation as remote but >they are displayed as empty lists. >If I goto these folders they come up normally. Any ideas? I don't have any ideas, as I have the same trouble, posted here, and got the most audible silent response I've ever experienced. I've written the Pine development team (see reporting bugs in the docs), but only got an automated response from their machine saying they did receive the message. If no one here has any idea what's going on, I'd send them another email so they don't chalk it up to MY stupidity... - Chris -- "I am more than the sum of my email!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 15:43:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15555; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:43:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04583; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:29:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04575; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:29:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmV9w-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: Can't post to news (INN) Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:57:32 -0500 Message-Id: <3jl27c$l52@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I'm using PINE3.91 under linux 1.0.9. I am able to select a newsgroup for reading (although there are no items in it). I then try to post. The following sequence appears in the pine-debug file. IMAP 13:19 3/8 mm_log babble: isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4 20-Mar-93 ready (posting ok). done. Post failed, continuing ------------------------- I tried inews -h on the server. It returned the message "Warning Can't connect to server -- Article will be spooled" Nothing appeared in syslog ------------------------------- I did telnet 119 -- then mode reader -- then post, got an OK then entered the headers, a body, and then ^D -- (several) -- nothing happened - then I got a 503 timeout. syslog had a message from nnrpd about a timeout. I put the server into the hosts.nntp, no change. nnrp.access has Read Post for our domain. Any suggestions? Thanks Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com Mote Marine Laboratory, 1600 Thompson Parkway, Sarasota FL 34236 Voice: 813-388-4441 Fax: 813-388-4312 We are an independent, nonprofit marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed herein are not those of MML unless specifically so indicated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 16:04:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16999; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:04:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28936; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:44:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28930; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:44:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmVIT-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: distribution list question Message-Id: References: <3ijfig$2tk@mark.ucdavis.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:37:46 GMT On 24 Feb 1995 02:16:48 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, ez045354@chip.ucdavis.edu (parading as Mitchell Allen) managed to electronically scribble: % is there any way to send mail to a distribution list without having the % entire list print out in the header of the message? i have a couple of % long distribution lists and i would rather just have the alias in the % header than pages of names proceeding the message. i don't know if this % is a common question or not, but i did not see any reference to it in the % current postings, nor have i found any information through man pages, etc. You could ^R in the header (for rich header) and then on the Bcc: (Blind Copy) line, put your list alias. This will send mail to all people on list, but will not show who gets it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 91 Days - 131124 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to Save | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 16:17:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18011; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:17:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29452; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:04:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pepvax.pepperdine.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29446; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:04:23 -0800 Received: by pepvax.pepperdine.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Pep-5.1) id AA24217 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:04:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:04:07 -0800 (PST) From: Queen Bee Reply-To: Queen Bee Subject: more on locked folders To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I also got the "can't open folder lock, access is read only" and then "folder is : open by another process" message. I didn't have any problems getting the process id, but nothing happened when I typed "kill (number)" and I ended up waiting a week for the system to kill the process. What happened? queen bee From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 16:29:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18540; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:29:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28429; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:29:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28423; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:29:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmV3b-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: continuing problem Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:40:23 GMT On 25 Feb 1995 10:39:31 -0800, in comp.mail.pine, mcnabbgb@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (parading as mcnabbgb@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca) managed to electronically scribble: % Blair McNabb email: mcnabbgb@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca % Edmonton, AB, T5A 1V6 % the lines above this message showing my name and e-mail etc keep showing % up on my compose e-mail screen. i have tried everything that i can think % of and nothing works. i cannot find a file that this line may have % origionally be from. how ever every e-mail i send has this line stuck in % place of the text i type. can you please help with more than the % outomated answer. I have tried things it suggests with no luck % regards blair mcnabb Do an ls -a | more There will be a file called .sig, .Sig, .Signature, .signature, or something close. rm .filename This will take care of that. Alternatively, you can edit the .pinerc file and remove the reference to above file. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 91 Days - 131120 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | How do I set my Laser printer to "Stun"? | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:03:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20020; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:03:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06650; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:32:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06642; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:32:05 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04569; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:31:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David Dumaresq Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Remote folders empty In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David, It would be helpful if you included the folder-collections entry from your pinerc to complement your problem description. -teg On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, David Dumaresq wrote: > I'm using the winsock version of pine and adding remote folders to > folder-collections, I'm also enabling expanded folders. The folder names > are displayed with their optional titles and designation as remote but > they are displayed as empty lists. > > If I goto these folders they come up normally. Any ideas? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca > Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 > Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 > > "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:13:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20918; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:13:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01027; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:58:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01011; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:58:38 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA15625; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:59:38 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00650; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:44:38 +0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:44:38 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503090144.AA00650@wizard> To: gray@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Remote folders empty Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1487 > David, > It would be helpful if you included the folder-collections entry from your > pinerc to complement your problem description. > > -teg Sure, here we go... folder-collections=mail\[], {trex}/trex2/david/.folder/WWW/[] feature-list=enable-mail-check-cue, enable-full-header-cmd, expanded-view-of-addressbooks, expanded-view-of-folders, include-text-in-reply, signature-at-bottom, enable-bounce-cmd, enable-flag-cmd Here is the expanded view of folders: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Folder-collection ** Default for Saves ** (Local) ------------------------------------------------------------------ INBOX SAVEMAIL SENTMAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------ Folder-collection (Remote) ------------------------------------------------------------------ [ ** Empty List ** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] Let me know if you need anything else. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:26:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21283; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:26:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08063; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:17:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08057; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:17:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmWeY-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:47:04 GMT In article , John Gardiner Myers wrote: >stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: > >> Unfortunately, RFC 1036 defines headers for NEWS, but NOT FOR MAIL. > >Using the same field-name as a header defined in RFC 1036 for a >completely different purpose than defined in that document is an >extremely bad idea. It is the root cause of this problem. That's ridiculous, since the context in which the "Newsgroups" header is being used is electronic mail. The mail standards don't define any "Newsgroups" header at all, so any agent which ascribes meaning to that header in a mail message is playing a dangerous game. Furthermore, given that it has been standard practice for years to include a "Newsgroups" header in a private response to a Usenet post, it is downright foolish for an agent to apply a meaning to that header that differs from the one commonly in use. It makes Pine the Humpty Dumpty of mail agents. >Just because a practice is widely deployed does not make it correct or >desirable. It is not going to be feasable to build/maintain a Maginot >line between "news" objects and "mail" objects, a practice of using >the same field-names to mean completely different things in the two >contexts is going to cause many more problems than just the one being >complained about in this thread. You may be right. But we're stuck with it anyway, and obstinately insisting that it's a bad idea doesn't change the fact that we have to deal with it in a practical manner. Pine doesn't. -- Unsolicited commercial electronic mail sent to this address will be proofread at a cost of $200/hour (one half-hour minimum). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:32:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21509; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:32:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01744; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:24:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01738; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:24:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmWtT-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jmarchet@psg.com (James R. Marchetti, II) Subject: Where can I get??? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:20:04 GMT If anyone knows an FTP site where I can obtain Pine for Windows, I would appreciate some mail as to the location. Thanks, jmarchet@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:36:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21603; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:36:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08205; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:24:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08199; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:24:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmWvN-00038eC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: noe@io.org (Noe Zamel) Subject: Can password be saved? Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:57:31 UNDEFINED Message-Id: I was hoping someone out there could tell me how to get PINE to save my username and password for a remote IMAP system so that I don't have to enter it each time I load pine. Thanks, Ricardo Zamel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 18:07:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22651; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:07:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08778; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:56:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08772; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:56:09 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa15093; 8 Mar 95 20:56 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA26028; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:56:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:56:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Tim Pierce Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: > > That's ridiculous, since the context in which the > "Newsgroups" header is being used is electronic mail. The > mail standards don't define any "Newsgroups" header at all, > so any agent which ascribes meaning to that header in a mail > message is playing a dangerous game. > > Furthermore, given that it has been standard practice for > years to include a "Newsgroups" header in a private response > to a Usenet post, it is downright foolish for an agent to > apply a meaning to that header that differs from the one > commonly in use. It makes Pine the Humpty Dumpty of mail > agents. > Now that this is the third time around on this subject, I know it's hopeless trying to change anyone's mind, so I'll just stick to correcting the factual error above: Pine does not ascribe any meaning or make any assumptions about the meaning of a "Newsgroups:" header line. It asks the user what he/she wants to do about it. ( And then it asks "are you sure..." ) It is the fact that there is no standard context-free meaning for the "Newsgroup:" line that makes it impossible for Pine to make any assumptions - which would be real useful, as it could then prevent users from asking it to do the "wrong" thing ( or at least ask them ONE MORE TIME: "are you sure..." ) It is the fact that some news readers sometimes chose to use a non-standard usage and semantics for the "Newsgroups:" line that makes it impossible for ANY program to automatically ascribe a single meaning to the existence of that line. It's meaning is ambiguous: The message might be a News posting or it might be a private message in reply to a public new posting ( or it might have been sent via both channels. ) So the only reasonable action for any program is to ask the user to decide, based perhaps on other clues in the message text. [ Which is exactly what Pine does - *it* does not ascribe meaning to that header line - the user does. ] REPEAT: Pine does NOT assume mailed replies are news articles. ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 18:16:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22927; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:16:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02680; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:09:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02674; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:09:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmXai-00038vC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tritech@technet.sg (TriTech Microelectronics) Subject: Re: PC PINE or WINPINE Date: 7 Mar 1995 06:20:30 GMT Message-Id: <3jgtvf$a1s@raffles.technet.sg> References: Jesus M. Arias Jr (zeus@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote: : Where can I get a copy of these programs? : Does anyone have the FTP site and path handy? : - zeus The site is at ftp.cac.washington.edu. The path (I think) is /pine/pcpine. -Ang. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 19:24:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25051; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:24:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03846; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:19:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03840; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:19:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmYke-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:44:44 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: > Unfortunately, RFC 1036 defines headers for NEWS, but NOT FOR MAIL. Using the same field-name as a header defined in RFC 1036 for a completely different purpose than defined in that document is an extremely bad idea. It is the root cause of this problem. > The objects they manipulate are fundamentally different, as can be > evidenced by the fact that people complain that their mail was posted. > If it's the same, barring transport mechanism, why do people complain? People complain because their messages were sent to places that they did not intend (even though they responded "yes" to two prompts that warned them this would happen). > That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can > remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this > thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for > mail, it really does need to know which is which. The message did not necessarily arrive via NNTP, it could have been fetched through, say, IMAP. The user could have copied the message from a "news" folder to one of their personal folders in a previous session. The user could have saved the message to a file and loaded it back in somehow. > Mail user agents are not bound by news user agent RFC. It would be nice > if "newsgroups" headers didn't show up in anything but news, but they > do and will continue to do so until someone goes to every site in the > world and replaces the software there. Are you volunteering? Is anyone volunteering to replace all the B News sites still out there? Anyone volunteering to replace all the software that still generates 2-digit years in Date headers? Just because a practice is widely deployed does not make it correct or desirable. It is not going to be feasable to build/maintain a Maginot line between "news" objects and "mail" objects, a practice of using the same field-names to mean completely different things in the two contexts is going to cause many more problems than just the one being complained about in this thread. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 19:26:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25141; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:26:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10289; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:12:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10281; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:12:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmYa5-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sinners@netcom.com (Steve Inners) Subject: IMAP, SCO and PCPINE - HELP! Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:27:06 GMT I have been running Pine 3.91 on a SCO wide area network for several months. It has been very successful .. the users love it and we have had no problems (implentation and utilization!). Now, however, I want to integrate those users who operate in in an exclusively Windows environment. They are tied to the net via winsock and have Unix accounts for receiving mail. I have done several things so far. I added the pre-compiled SCO imapd, ipop2d, ipop3d to my inetd.conf file. Added the line inbox-path={host-name)INBOX to my local pinerc file. Ran PC-Pine and failed! I get a connection refused error. Trumpet reports "Task XXXX did not call WSACleanup" after it's report of gethostbyname. I have printed out all the doc on imap from the pine distribution .. but it appears to be slanted towards persons *developing* additional capabilities. Does anyone have a step-by-step "how-to" on configuring imap or an alternative. The end product I am looking for is a Windows interface to the users mailbox on the UNIX host. signed -- deeply frustrated PS -- I have confirmed that winsock is talking to the net and more specifically *can* ping the host I have imapd activated(?) on. -- -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### Perspective: No matter where you go, there you are. ################################################### Yea yea yea .. been there .. done that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 20:02:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25976; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:02:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11036; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:57:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11030; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:57:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmZHW-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamlet@tezcat.com (Hamlet) Subject: Signature Art Date: 8 Mar 1995 21:52:29 GMT Message-Id: <3jl8ut$lvo@quilla.tezcat.com> -- h a m l e t @ t e z c a t . c o m l e t t h e p a s t b u r y i t ' s d e a d ! l e t s w e e t a n d h a p p y t h o u g h t s , e n t e r y o u r h e a d ! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 20:32:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26855; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:32:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04920; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:21:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04913; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:20:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmZe8-00038eC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: Look at other than /usr/spool/mail/xxxx? Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:42:46 GMT On Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:13:47 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, bryan@netcom.com (parading as Bryan Higgins) managed to electronically scribble: % This ought be obvious, but: how do I configure pine to look in $HOME/inbox % instead of /usr/spool/mail/$USER? It seems to not look at the MAIL envariable % anymore (I've got 3.89). The documentation and source code baffles me. % Help would be most appreciated. look in .pinerc Line called inbox-path= defaults to /user/spool/mail/$USER shouldn't be to hard to change. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 91 Days - 131119 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Never argue with a tired (or rested) woman! | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 21:43:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28668; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:43:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12728; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:34:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12722; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:34:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmarX-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Subject: Re: Look at other than /usr/spool/mail/xxxx? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:17:28 GMT On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Glenn E. Lanier wrote: > % This ought be obvious, but: how do I configure pine to look in $HOME/inbox > % instead of /usr/spool/mail/$USER? It seems to not look at the MAIL envariable > % anymore (I've got 3.89). The documentation and source code baffles me. > % Help would be most appreciated. > > look in .pinerc > Line called inbox-path= Hey ... lookee this. Yesterday I moved somebody's mail to their home directory because they had like a 3 MB mail file. Today I get a message saying that they can't read their mail in pine (the inbox-path variable is unset.) When moving their mail, we add a line like "setenv MAIL $HOME/.newmail" to their .login file so that mailers can find their mail file. [Two questions arise from this ... #1: Why doesn't PINE look for a MAIL variable? and 2: Why doesn't PINE do a 'ypcat aliases' type command to find redirected mail?] So anyway, I decided to do a little experimenting. I don't have a $MAIL variable set (because I know how to delete and move mail) and I set 'inbox-path=$MAIL' in my .pinerc file. I exited pine and restarted it, and it found my mail no problem. Coolness, I say, I'll stick this in /yachtlocal/lib/pine.conf (the 'global' .pinerc file.) I exit pine and whenever I try to run it, =>- cut -<= sloop ccurtis 16: vi pine.conf sloop ccurtis 17: cd /ketch_unison/users/undergrad/ccurtis sloop ccurtis 18: pine Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. sloop ccurtis 19: pine -r Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. sloop ccurtis 20: pine Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". =>- cut -<= Removing this line from the file makes PINE work again. To reiterate, it only does this if the setting is in the global config file. So I guess my question is, when is Pine 3.92 coming out? And, will Pine begin looking at /etc/aliases and/or the $MAIL variable? I think I've asked this before, but gotten no response. Oh, and another thing, I sometimes get messages from people that were sent to me and posted to usenet. Apparently all they have to do is when posting the message, add a CC: line to myself. I've tried this in Pine, and it seems to work, but it'd be nice to have pine ask "Would you like to send a copy directly to the poster as well?" instead of me having to retype the address. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? T | Christopher Curtis | "Do you have any idea how fast | O E | Sun Lab System Administrator | you were going?" | S A | Florida Institute of Technology | "No, the | / M | Melbourne, Florida N|N little needle stops at 100." | 2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 01:55:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04884; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:55:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10032; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:42:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10026; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:42:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmejK-00038LC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:03:49 -0500 Message-Id: <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 8-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. John Stanley@skyking.OCE (2788) > Unfortunately, Pine's assumption about what other systems meant is not > correct, and it leads to problems, and the Pine people know this but > adamantly refuse to change or fix the program. Bzzt. By ``not correct,'' I have to assume that you mean ``not something that I agree with.'' > That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can > remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this > thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for > mail, it really does need to know which is which. Eh? I have a big system and messages arrive from all over the place, more than just ``mail'' and ``news''. They use a common representation (the basic RFC 822 header/body separation, the basic RFC 822 mechanism to separate the individual headers). Differences are encapsulated by those headers as they need to be. Convince me that the difference is truly important. > What we CAN say about the correct solution is that it is NOT "screw > anyone who's mail software doesn't obey the news RFC". Another oversight. By ``correct'' I have to read ``pragmatic.'' ``Correct'' is a powerful word and it doesn't help to over-use it; it's just inflammatory. Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 8-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. Tim Pierce@midway.uchica (2381) > Precisely. Even though news and mail are, at a technical > level, extremely similar messaging systems, those who use > them tend to treat them as oil and water. It is imperative > that the tools used to handle mail and news be capable of > making an equally strong distinction; even though the user > may want to do many similar things to both media, it can be > catastrophic to confuse one for the other. Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. But it's not fair to go from a wishy-washy statement about ``those who use them tend to treat'' to ``it is imperative.'' Let's cut the high-handed rhetoric. This topic has had more than its share of heat for its amount of light. If there are technical points to make, let's make them but leave the flame-talk at home. Craig From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 02:03:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05068; Thu, 9 Mar 95 02:03:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16912; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:57:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16906; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:57:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmev9-00038LC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: c9524@rrzc3.rz.uni-regensburg.de (Ulrich Windl) Subject: official PINE; where? Date: 08 Mar 1995 08:25:17 GMT Message-Id: Very easy: Where is the official PINE source located, and where are mirror sites? Please reply per EMail! Ulrich -- Ulrich Windl Universitaet Regensburg, Rechenzentrum DV-med Franz-Josef-Strauss-Allee 11 D-93042 Regensburg, Germany %%[PGP 2.3a Public Key on at least one European key server]%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 04:23:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08538; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:23:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12330; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:18:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12324; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:18:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmhAC-00038eC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: olavk@ifi.uio.no (Olav Georg Karlsen) Subject: International character sets Date: 9 Mar 1995 11:43:50 +0100 Message-Id: <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> I am using Pine 3.91 (in Norway) I would like to use the norwegian characters æøå and ÆØÅ. (They might not appear right, but should be oslash, aring, etc. (ae, oe, aa). I have therefore configured Pine to use: character-set = iso-8859-1 When i recieve mail from a person with these letters in his/her name, it appears like this: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Ole_Fredrik_=D8deg=E5rd?= When i type these letters in the message body or receive mail containing them, they do not appear at all on screen, but the letters ARE there, because the recipient can read them in mail from me, and when i export my incoming mail, they appear in the text file. Any solutions? Olav Karlsen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 04:43:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08949; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:43:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19200; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:31:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19170; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:30:58 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:11:46 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id MAA05774; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:14:02 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:14:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Berkeley v Tenex mailbox formats for the INBOX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I'be been doing some simplistic tests on resource usage comparing Berkeley and Tenex formats for INBOX access (on Silicon Graphics machines running IRIX 5.2) >From memory I seem to recall that the Tenex format is generally "better" in that messages stored in this format are a fixed size, whereas Berkeley's can change size as they are read, replied to, etc. I *presumed* that this would lead to savings in memory usage if Clever Things were being done to take advantage of this consistency in size. So I doing some tests using Pine first with the mboxdriver (which uses Berkeley format) and then the Tenex driver. I performed these first on an empty INBOX, then on one with 78 messages totalling around 350Kb. When Pine had finished opening the INBOX I used a "ps -elf" to check the total size of the process (the SZ value) and its resident set size (the RSS value - pages actually in memory). For the non-empty INBOX at that early point (straight after the INBOX had finished opening) the Tenex version was using *more* resident memory than the mboxdriver/Berkeley coutnerpart (327 pages v 299 pages, where 1 page = 4Kb) Could someone confirm whether or not there *are* advantages to using Tenex format, and if so what they tend to be (memory, disk I/O, CPU usage, etc)? (I realise that the test I did were very simplistic and may well be giving misleading results, but I'd hoped that they'd give a general indication of memory usage.) With thanks, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 05:12:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09870; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:12:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19632; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:58:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19626; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:58:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmhn6-00038gC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 9 Mar 1995 02:34:11 GMT Message-Id: <3jlpf3$a2e@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In John Gardiner Myers writes: >> That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can >> remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this >> thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for >> mail, it really does need to know which is which. >The message did not necessarily arrive via NNTP, it could have been >fetched through, say, IMAP. The user could have copied the message >from a "news" folder to one of their personal folders in a previous >session. The user could have saved the message to a file and loaded >it back in somehow. Tangential issue here. How it arrived is irrelevant; what it *is* is relevant. News is News so long as it is in the News spool area. As soon as a user moves it into his private collection, it has been converted into email. Replies to this email should be private. A user who wishes to participate in News follows up (not 'replies') to what is News, not what has been converted into email. A user who wishes to reply (not 'follow up') to email may reply to email, but may also reply to News. It doesn't matter if it arrived via IMAP. If it's in the News spool area, it's News, and if it's in the users' private area, it's email (possibly converted from email). Let me say this again: Once a News posting is moved into a user's private files, it is no longer News. It has been converted into email. It should be treated accordingly. Do not post any followups to it. Oh, by the way, there are established terms 'reply' and 'follow-up' that clearly distinguish between the two actions. Let's not cause confusion by calling everything a reply. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 05:27:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10251; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:27:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13094; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:13:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13088; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:13:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmi13-00038lC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 9 Mar 1995 02:23:05 GMT Message-Id: <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> Chris Newman writes: >The recent discussion have demonstrated that there are two religions: >1) News and email are fundamentally different. > and >2) News and email are essentially the same. Not so. There is nothing religious about this. These things ought to be decided on merit. The people who claim that News and email are fundamentally the same thing are looking at only part of the picture. The people who claim that News and email are different are looking at the whole picture. The truth is that News and email have some commonalities and some differences. The differences are rather critical. If they were not, we would not see so many complaints about email being accidentally converted into News. QED. >How can we >make these two models co-exist with the least pain? Coexistence is not the problem. The real problem is that pine is discarding out-of-band information, and thus losing track of whether a file contains News or email. New and email can coexist quite nicely -- if you keep track of what is what. >1) Add a header which is a modal switch to the rfc822 format >indicating a "type" (news or mail), which changes the meanings of >other headers. This is technically the correct solution. However, the 'type' header should be added not by the sending software (which already knows the 'type', as does the transport protocol), but by the receiving software at the point where it is about to discard the out-of-band information that distinguishes between News and email. This out-of-band information can be converted to in-band information in the form of a 'type' header. Transferring out-of-band information into in-band information at the destination is not a new idea. Most email delivery agents already do this for the envelope sender, by saving it as a Return-Path header, and many email delivery agents do it for the envelope recipient, by saving it in a Received: header, when doing so is known not to violate Bcc: privacy. Surely those who insist that News and email are the same thing would be willing to use some of the mechanisms used by email (but not currently by News...wonder why...) to achieve similar goals? >2) Define a new header to mean "newsgroups from which this discussion >originated". Already have it: It's 'Newsgroups:'. >3) Define a new header to mean "although this was sent by email, it >was also posted to the following newsgroups". Already have this information: Combination of out-of-band information (type = News) and Newsgroups: header. >4) both 2 & 3, and deprecate use of "newsgroups" in mail. Requires change in established practice, and will take too long to happen. Not a good idea. >Personally, I find (1) overly complex for implementors. I believe (2) >is a reasonable solution. Disagree -- see response to (2). -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 07:23:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12896; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:23:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21680; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:11:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21674; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:11:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmjmF-00038kC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamlet@tezcat.com (Hamlet) Subject: Signature Art Date: 9 Mar 1995 03:35:02 GMT Message-Id: <3jlt16$137@quilla.tezcat.com> I was wondering how to obtain some of the art you see in signature files thanks -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 07:31:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13082; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:31:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14917; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14911; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:18:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmjvf-00038kC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:01:23 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This discussion accomplishes nothing positive. I suggest that it be dropped. The gist of the technical issue is this: there is no reliable way to determine what is "news" and what is "mail" to establish modal behavior. If there is anyone who in sincerely interested in the technical details, I will be happy to explain. There have been a great number of suggestions on how to deal with the problem, for which we are grateful; unfortunately some of these are infeasible due to technical considerations. We have already deployed several of the feasible suggestions. These will be in Pine 3.92. We are also actively investigating certain others, including a clever means (if it works -- not yet verified) of distinguishing between non-posted email from tin (et al) and postings. It isn't yet certain whether this will be in 3.92; the jury is still out on whether or not the particular trick in question will work. Two very vocal individuals, at ORST.EDU and RAHUL.NET, seem to feel that by filibustering newsgroups and mailing lists, they can eventually beat those who disagree into submission. They also seem to feel that sending abusive email will give them their way. I no longer read, much less answer, mail from these individuals. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" (est.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 07:36:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13251; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:36:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15059; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:27:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from solaris.carl.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15053; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:27:28 -0800 Received: by solaris (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA20931; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:32:20 MST From: troby@carl.org (Thorn Roby) Message-Id: <9503091532.AA20931@solaris> Subject: How to disable reverse video (3.91) ? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:32:19 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 794 I have a number of old terminals that require a space on the screen to represent video attributes. They are not able to use the protected-mode reverse video trick that works on Wyse. As a result, the cursor position is incorrect once highlight characters have been used, and the screen is scrambled. Has anyone found a solution to this problem? I've looked through the last year of pine-info, and seen references to setting assume-slow-line, with the idea that this would disable reverse video and replace it with an arrow. However, while this can be done in elm, I don't see any effect in pine, nor any use of the line speed affecting tty output. -- Thorn Roby troby@carl.org CARL Corporation 3801 E. Florida Ave.,Suite 300,Denver CO 80210 (303) 758-3030 x125 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 07:52:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13803; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:52:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22108; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:40:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22102; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:40:09 -0800 Received: from wylie.com by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01696; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:40:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:39:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen R. Wylie" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: WD_1_GIG_DRIVE In-Reply-To: <3j5gcr$dtd@alpha.bin-sixx.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Mar 1995, Atlas Computer Systems wrote: > Date: 2 Mar 1995 17:21:15 -0500 > From: Atlas Computer Systems > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: WD_1_GIG_DRIVE > > *********************************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** > Atlas Computer Systems is pleased to announce the arrival of the Western > Digital Caviar AC31000 1.08 GB EIDE hard drive for the unbelievably low > price of $389 plus $10 shipping and handling. Call Atlas Computer Systems > at (904) 694-2900 Monday through Friday 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. EST with your > credit card ready to place an order. All orders placed within the > continental United States will be shipped via UPS Second Day Air. Ask > your ACS sales representative for information on international shipping. If > you're interested in having our current price list e-mailed to you, send > a request to us001663@interramp.com. We look forward to hearing from you. > *********************************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** > I was wondering if there was a pine mailing list that just stuck to pine... help and better ways to use pine... i'm not interested in buying a 1 gig drive from these fools, or someone's mountain bike.... the mkpgp posts were a little more to my liking. if such a mailing list exists, please give me the address because I get so much junk mail from this one that i have had to send it all to /dev/crap until I get more time to read junk mail, which means that I might miss any useful posts. [ln -s /dev/null /dev/crap] I have gotten some good information from this list... i'm not trying to trash the list; just get less than 80 emails a day [almost half of which come from here.] thanx in advance for any information you can offer. srw ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen R. Wylie http://www.wylie.com/~swylie/ computer geek Internet Email: swylie@wylie.com Linux Freak For PGP public key, Finger ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 82KZ550-C or send mail to above addr. with Subject: get pubkey Atlanta, GA "I'm your icecreamman; stop me when I'm passing by" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 08:13:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14671; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:13:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22632; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:05:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22626; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:05:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmkWB-000395C; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Chris Newman Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:33:21 -0500 Message-Id: <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> The recent discussion have demonstrated that there are two religions: 1) News and email are fundamentally different. and 2) News and email are essentially the same. It is clear that both models exist and likely that both will continue to exist for some time. Given that religious issues can't be resolved by discussion, we should move on to solve the technical problem: How can we make these two models co-exist with the least pain? Solutions I've heard suggested are as follows: 1) Add a header which is a modal switch to the rfc822 format indicating a "type" (news or mail), which changes the meanings of other headers. 2) Define a new header to mean "newsgroups from which this discussion originated". 3) Define a new header to mean "although this was sent by email, it was also posted to the following newsgroups". 4) both 2 & 3, and deprecate use of "newsgroups" in mail. Personally, I find (1) overly complex for implementors. I believe (2) is a reasonable solution. - Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 08:21:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15022; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:21:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22726; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:08:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22716; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:08:02 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA01584; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:09:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:09:23 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: .pine-debug files Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I saw this question & answer posted earlier, but cannot find my copy of it; sorry for the reposting: What is a .pine-debug# file? Can I disable the creation of them? My users are subject to diskquotas, and the .pine-debug files are eating chunks of their disk space. Thanks, Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 10:04:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20283; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:04:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18223; Thu, 9 Mar 95 09:33:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18217; Thu, 9 Mar 95 09:33:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmm57-00038KC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 09:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 9 Mar 1995 07:26:28 GMT Message-Id: <3jmaj4$nn@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> In <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> Craig_Everhart@transarc.com writes: >They use a common representation >(the basic RFC 822 header/body separation, the basic RFC 822 mechanism >to separate the individual headers). Differences are encapsulated by >those headers as they need to be. Convince me that the difference is >truly important. If you consider these messages (which presumably include Usenet postings) as just files with no semantics, then of course they are all the same thing. Likewise, /vmunix and /usr/man/man1/csh.1 are the same thing --- just files. Once you begin to consider the semantics of the data in these files, and what people will *do* with them, and what they will *think* while they do it, you begin to realize the differences. Why is it considered a breach of netiquette to post private email to Usenet? >Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. How about: Everybody who is complaining about private email being posted to Usenet? If these complainers are such an insignificant minority of such little importance that we can dismiss them with a comment like 'Maybe some folks, sure', then why are we even arguing? Ignore the problem and that's the end of it! -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 10:54:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23198; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:54:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20265; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:45:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20255; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:45:25 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id KAA29611; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:44:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:44:41 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Inners Reply-To: Steve Inners Subject: imapd and SCO To: Pine Information Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I am new to this mailing list. If this subject has been covered already, I apologize in advance. I am running Pine3.91 on an SCO Open Server machine. The implementation has been a wonderful success. I am now trying to expand the implementation to include PC-PINE for winsock. My winsock installation appears to be solid and functional, but accessing my inbox on the SCO machine has proven to be no easy matter. I have added the pre-compiled imapd (427500K Oct 21 11:00) that came with the pine-3.91.tar for SCO to my inetd.conf file: imapd stream tcp nowait root /etc/imapd imapd The /etc/imapd file looks like this: -rwx--x--x 1 bin bin 427500 Mar 08 09:41 /etc/imapd I have added it to my /etc/services: imap 143/tcp then I rebooted the server. My PINERC file has the line: inbox-path={indodt1}/usr/spool/mail/sinner When I run PC-PINE I get: Can't connect to indodt1,143: Refused (10061) then, No Inbox opened Any help would be appreciated. If I can get PC-PINE to interact with the SCO inboxes, I will make ALOT of users very happy. -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### Perspective: No matter where you go, there you are. ################################################### Yea yea yea .. been there .. done that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 11:05:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24179; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:05:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27175; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:56:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27169; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:56:22 -0800 Received: by mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA112559; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:34:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:34:36 +0100 (MEZ) From: Valeria Pace To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Valeria Pace wrote: > hi,i am a german italian female student and i have some problems to log > in with this adress: > > telnet://fraggel165.mdstud.chalmers.se:4321/ > > > in spite you are specialist for the pine-programm,can you help me or can > you give me another adress? > > thanks a lot > > valeria > here others informations: i know gopher,but not WWW. with "talk hostaddress" does not functions i hope that somebody can advice me..if you have other questions about this,so write me. gruesse aus germany valeria From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 12:09:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27512; Thu, 9 Mar 95 12:09:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28861; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:59:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28855; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:59:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmoJY-00038KC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: more on locked folders Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:45:28 GMT On 8 Mar 1995 16:16:09 -0800, in comp.mail.pine, nashara@pepperdine.edu (parading as Queen Bee) managed to electronically scribble: % I also got the "can't open folder lock, access is read only" and then % "folder is : open by another process" message. I didn't have any % problems getting the process id, but nothing happened when I typed "kill % (number)" and I ended up waiting a week for the system to kill the % process. What happened? Well, if you didn't immediately (or thereabouts) get a message saying something to the effect of job killed, try kill -9 pid where pid is the process Id # of the process. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 91 Days - 130517 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 13:17:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01522; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:17:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00928; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:04:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00897; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:04:21 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20182; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:04:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Look at other than /usr/spool/mail/xxxx? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-34865619-794783053=:17174" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-34865619-794783053=:17174 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Christopher, o A patch has been posted a few times to deal with some initialization problems in the global pine.conf file. I don't know if that's the problem you're seeing with the env. variable, but it would be worth applying the patch anyway. I've attached the patch again. Please let us know if the problem persists. o In order to minimize unexpected surprises/side-effects of env vars, our goal is to allow env. variables to be used in the personal and global pine config files, but to have them be referenced explicitly rather than implicitly. So 3.92 will not look at $MAIL implicitly. But what you are trying to do with $MAIL in the pine.conf is intended to work. o Re your last question: 3.92 will have the ability to "do both" o We don't know when 3.92 will be ready. -teg On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Glenn E. Lanier wrote: > > > % This ought be obvious, but: how do I configure pine to look in $HOME/inbox > > % instead of /usr/spool/mail/$USER? It seems to not look at the MAIL envariable > > % anymore (I've got 3.89). The documentation and source code baffles me. > > % Help would be most appreciated. > > > > look in .pinerc > > Line called inbox-path= > > Hey ... lookee this. Yesterday I moved somebody's mail to their home > directory because they had like a 3 MB mail file. Today I get a message > saying that they can't read their mail in pine (the inbox-path variable is > unset.) When moving their mail, we add a line like "setenv MAIL > $HOME/.newmail" to their .login file so that mailers can find their mail > file. [Two questions arise from this ... #1: Why doesn't PINE look for a > MAIL variable? and 2: Why doesn't PINE do a 'ypcat aliases' type command to > find redirected mail?] So anyway, I decided to do a little experimenting. I > don't have a $MAIL variable set (because I know how to delete and move mail) > and I set 'inbox-path=$MAIL' in my .pinerc file. I exited pine and restarted > it, and it found my mail no problem. Coolness, I say, I'll stick this in > /yachtlocal/lib/pine.conf (the 'global' .pinerc file.) I exit pine and > whenever I try to run it, > > =>- cut -<= > sloop ccurtis 16: vi pine.conf > sloop ccurtis 17: cd > /ketch_unison/users/undergrad/ccurtis > sloop ccurtis 18: pine > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > sloop ccurtis 19: pine -r > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > sloop ccurtis 20: pine > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > =>- cut -<= > > Removing this line from the file makes PINE work again. To reiterate, it > only does this if the setting is in the global config file. So I guess my > question is, when is Pine 3.92 coming out? And, will Pine begin looking at > /etc/aliases and/or the $MAIL variable? > > I think I've asked this before, but gotten no response. > > Oh, and another thing, I sometimes get messages from people that were sent to > me and posted to usenet. Apparently all they have to do is when posting the > message, add a CC: line to myself. I've tried this in Pine, and it seems to > work, but it'd be nice to have pine ask "Would you like to send a copy > directly to the poster as well?" instead of me having to retype the address. > Anyone else have any thoughts on this? > > T | Christopher Curtis | "Do you have any idea how fast | O > E | Sun Lab System Administrator | you were going?" | S > A | Florida Institute of Technology | "No, the | / > M | Melbourne, Florida N|N little needle stops at 100." | 2 > > --0-34865619-794783053=:17174 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="z.patch3.91" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: init.c.diff KioqIHBpbmUzLjkxL3NyYy9waW5lL2luaXQuYwlNb24gT2N0IDEwIDE0OjM0 OjI5IDE5OTQNCi0tLSBwaW5lMy45Mi9zcmMvcGluZS9pbml0LmMJV2VkIE9j dCAxMiAxMjozNTo0MSAxOTk0DQoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioNCioqKiAyMDg5 LDIxMDAgKioqKg0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQogICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0g VmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxlYXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZv ciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAgIGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2Vy KXsNCiEgICAgICAgICAgICAgaWYod2hpY2hfdmFycyA9PSBQYXJzZUxvY2Fs KXsgICAgICAgICAgIA0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3Zh ciA9IDA7DQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBwbGluZS0+bGluZSA9IGNweXN0 cihsaW5lKTsNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHBsaW5lKys7DQotICAgICAg ICAgICAgIH0NCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgY29udGludWU7DQogICAgICAgICAg fQ0KICANCi0tLSAyMDg5LDIwOTggLS0tLQ0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQog ICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0gVmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxl YXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZvciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAg IGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2VyICYmIHdoaWNoX3ZhcnMgPT0gUGFyc2VMb2NhbCl7 DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3ZhciA9IDA7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmxp bmUgPSBjcHlzdHIobGluZSk7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUrKzsNCiAgCSAgICBj b250aW51ZTsNCiAgICAgICAgICB9DQogIA0K --0-34865619-794783053=:17174-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 13:46:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02715; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:46:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01977; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:42:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01971; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:42:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmpqZ-00038MC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David.Bear@Asu.Edu Subject: IMAP and OS/2 Date: 8 Mar 1995 17:35:26 GMT Message-Id: <3jkpsu$r5t@news.asu.edu> Does anyone know of an IMAP server ported to OS/2? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 13:47:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02742; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:47:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24712; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:25:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24706; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:25:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmpfO-00038MC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Headers to preserve for attachments Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:20:50 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was setting up a listserv on our system using the listproc version 6.0c software, and I wanted to know which headers I have to preserve so that messages with attachments sent to lists will be seen by the recipients as messages with attachments instead of a lot of base64 garbage. Thanks Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 14:00:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03303; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:00:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02115; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:50:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02109; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:50:15 -0800 Received: from wylie.com by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08064; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:50:12 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:50:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen R. Wylie" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Valeria Pace wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:34:36 +0100 (MEZ) > From: Valeria Pace > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: question > > On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Valeria Pace wrote: > > > > hi,i am a german italian female student and i have some problems to log > > in with this adress: > > > > telnet://fraggel165.mdstud.chalmers.se:4321/ > > > > > > in spite you are specialist for the pine-programm,can you help me or can > > you give me another adress? > > > > thanks a lot > > > > valeria > > > here others informations: i know gopher,but not WWW. > with "talk hostaddress" does not functions > > i hope that somebody can advice me..if you have other questions about > this,so write me. > > gruesse aus germany > > valeria > what's the problem?? i use pine to telnet all the time. did you remember to configure pine's telnet option? don't forget to enable the WWW option also, it's really great. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 14:56:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05892; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:56:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03041; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:28:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03035; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:28:32 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA24035; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:29:36 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00447; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:14:37 +0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:14:37 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503092314.AA00447@wizard> To: swylie@wylie.com Subject: Re: question Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 809 > what's the problem?? i use pine to telnet all the time. > > did you remember to configure pine's telnet option? > > don't forget to enable the WWW option also, it's really great. Pardon moi? Can you explain this WWW option, are you saying Pine has Web browsing capability?? And what about this telnet option, is this just shelling out and then running telnet? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 15:57:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08771; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:57:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04941; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:35:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04935; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:35:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmrhX-00038KC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 9 Mar 1995 09:42:59 GMT Message-Id: <3jmij3$9r5@hustle.rahul.net> References: In Mark Crispin writes: >Two very vocal individuals, at ORST.EDU and RAHUL.NET, seem to feel that >by filibustering newsgroups and mailing lists, they can eventually beat >those who disagree into submission. They also seem to feel that sending >abusive email will give them their way. The last time Mark Crispin made such accusations, I asked for examples and none came. My guess is that if you disagree with Mark by posting to comp.mail.pine, you are branded as sending abusive email. (News vs email confusion here.) I would like to see either an example of allegedly abusive email, or a retraction. If Mark and others would stop attacking the established base of news readers as being broken, and stop referring to UNIX users as 'weenies', and making other equally incorrect or rude assertions, they would cease to have any problem with abusive email (really Usenet postings disagreeing with them). -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 17:06:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12639; Thu, 9 Mar 95 17:06:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29868; Thu, 9 Mar 95 16:51:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29862; Thu, 9 Mar 95 16:51:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmssV-00038MC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 16:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 9 Mar 1995 07:32:42 GMT Message-Id: <3jmauq$157@hustle.rahul.net> References: In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: > Pine does not ascribe any meaning or make any assumptions about >the meaning of a "Newsgroups:" header line. It asks the user what >he/she wants to do about it. ( And then it asks "are you sure..." ) Hmm...Sounds like Pine *is* assuming that the presence of a Newsgroups header in incoming email means that the user should be asked if he wishes to post his email reply to Usenet. Definitely some assumption here. > It is the fact that there is no standard context-free meaning for >the "Newsgroup:" line that makes it impossible for Pine to make any >assumptions ... True; 'context-free' is the key issue here. Pine is not *required* to lose the context, but does so because of some design decisions. > It is the fact that some news readers sometimes chose to use a >non-standard usage and semantics for the "Newsgroups:" line... I suspect we will forever go in circles about this. In fact there are very clear established meanings for the Newsgroups: header. In News, it means something is being posted to the newsgroups mentioned in the header. In email it means this email is in response to such a posting. Until pine came into the picture nobody was confused about these meanings. >...makes it impossible for ANY program to automatically ascribe a single >meaning to the existence of that line. It's meaning is ambiguous: >The message might be a News posting or it might be a private message >in reply to a public new posting ( or it might have been sent via >both channels. ) So the only reasonable action for any program is to >ask the user to decide, based perhaps on other clues in the message text. Disagree; the only reasonable action for any program is to interpret the Newsgroups: header in the proper context. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 19:22:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16526; Thu, 9 Mar 95 19:22:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02450; Thu, 9 Mar 95 18:59:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02444; Thu, 9 Mar 95 18:58:58 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04198; Thu, 9 Mar 95 18:58:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Berkeley v Tenex mailbox formats for the INBOX (fwd) To: Mike Brudenell Cc: Pine Info Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello Mike - I think that your test was fundamentally flawed, because you measured resident memory instead of virtual memory. The amount of resident memory is more an artifact of how much the scheduler loves you than of any direct performance measurement. Bezerk/mbox format keeps every message in memory, in separate malloc() buffers for each message. In many implementations of malloc(), the size of a malloc() buffer is a power of 2, thus you have to round up each message size to the nearest power of two and sum that to get the total virtual memory consumed. This is needed, because expunge and checkpoint operations require a copy of the mailbox. Many times, user's don't have the disk quota to do a disk copy, and a disk copy is very slow anyway because the mailbox's inode needs to be preserved (thus a disk copy would triple the amount of disk traffic!). Tenex format uses a size count and reserved space for flags. This permits updates to be done in place (effectively, no checkpoints) and the source can be used as a target for expunge (since you're guaranteed to be blatting data down). As a result, Tenex format does not keep message in memory. It may read in a single message for processing, but it'll never keep more than one in memory at a time. In general, Tenex format will be less memory hungry and faster than bezerk format. There is one exception; free text searches will be slower in tenex format, since it actually has to read messages from the disk. In bezerk format, it'll do searches from memory, so that is faster. Envelope/MIME parses are potentially faster in bezerk format because of all the data being in memory as well. This is rarely much of an issue in actuality though. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 20:20:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18289; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:20:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10593; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:16:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10587; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:16:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmw29-00038kC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) Subject: Re: SUDDENLY pine won't mail more than 25 people????? Date: 9 Mar 1995 10:09:25 GMT Message-Id: References: In article dbrenner@nemo.weeg.uiowa.edu wrote: : I'm guessing that there is a buffer overrun in the new sendmail that is : happening under AIX. (I haven't seen anyone in comp.mail.sendmail report : similar problems, so this is only a guess.) If that is the cause, it isn't a general sendmail 8.6.10 problem - I just used pine to send to 35 addresses, and it worked fine... Of course, it wasn't under AIX :-) -- Cheers, Jason +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790577 | | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | | Basingstoke, Hampshire | | RG21 1PL, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 21:09:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19469; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:09:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04374; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:01:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04368; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:01:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmwkp-00038kC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David.Bear@Asu.Edu Subject: pcpine configuration Date: 8 Mar 1995 17:29:53 GMT Message-Id: <3jkpih$r5t@news.asu.edu> I have a professor who spent sabbatical at UofW and is hooked on PC Pine. So I put it on his local computer. Trouble is I can seem to find where sent mail is saved. I am thinking it may be a configuration problem. I would like to configure it so he could see folders on imap and local. Assuming is mailbox is daneke@imap2.asu.edu what are the important parameters to fill in below in order for him to read mail locally and on imap? personal-name = smtp-server = nntp-server = inbox-path = folder-collections = news-collections = default-fcc = postponed-folder = read-message-folder = signature-file = global-address-book = address-book = feature-list = David Bear Support System Analyst IDDWB@Cyrus.Pp.Asu.Edu v: 602-965-8257 f: 602-965-9189 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 21:40:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20590; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:40:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11969; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:37:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11963; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:37:50 -0800 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id VAA16391; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:37:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Morrison Subject: Limitation on Distribution List To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using Pine on Netcom. I have discovered that when I get a distribution list of over about 50 names, I get a shell bus error from Netcom. I have had to break the list into two pieces and send the message two individual times. Is there any way around this restriction so that I have to send the message only once? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 00:24:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24604; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:24:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14303; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:20:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14297; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:20:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmzrs-00038qC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "J. Kelly Cunningham" Subject: include-header-in-compose ? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:59:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Is there any way to include-header-in-compose ? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by mkpgp, a Pine/PGP interface. iQCVAwUBL19sD+Bu0383Om6dAQFyCwQAyqnWxzito8ZkzMEMKgSicgUggF34WxQz tXX6m363o/YmEFLvSULuWHDR32DiPm+XaUtBpwerCEFyJJrHYlsAgKjD3U+c43yV GmHUH364B/9zGDuEP+XNELfk09jqxtYX6dfwQ1kfEPWU05/9nwTDXI5kduoQlVZ2 k/EUmi9SsCE= =MPWV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka "The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 00:58:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25351; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:58:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14791; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:52:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14785; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:52:02 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:49:00 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id IAA01525; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:51:16 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:51:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: Mark Crispin Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: Berkeley v Tenex mailbox formats for the INBOX In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Mark - On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > I think that your test was fundamentally flawed, because you measured resident > memory instead of virtual memory. The amount of resident memory is more an > artifact of how much the scheduler loves you than of any direct performance > measurement. That's what I had initially thought. However I tried both Berkeley and Tenex tests 3 times each, and each time got *exactly* the same SZ (total virtual memory usage) and RSS (resident set size) for each type of instantiation. As this seemed so constant I started wondering if the test might be valid. Interestingly, if you run with what still may prove to be a flawed test for a while, the SZ value for Berkeley format was 782 pages (1 page = 4Kb), and 820 pages for Tenex. This is an even bigger difference than the 299 v 327 RSS values! :-} > Bezerk/mbox format keeps every message in memory, in separate malloc() buffers > for each message. In many implementations of malloc(), the size of a malloc() > buffer is a power of 2, thus you have to round up each message size to the > nearest power of two and sum that to get the total virtual memory consumed. > This is needed, because expunge and checkpoint operations require a copy of > the mailbox. Many times, user's don't have the disk quota to do a disk copy, > and a disk copy is very slow anyway because the mailbox's inode needs to be > preserved (thus a disk copy would triple the amount of disk traffic!). This is very useful information too. The implication is that the point I was measuring memory usage at is not the maximum, certainly for Berkeley (*WHY* can I never spell that right first time!!) format. Hence apparent initial differences (if my test was valid, which I'm now doubting) are probably misleading for general use of the program. > In general, Tenex format will be less memory hungry and faster than bezerk > format. There is one exception; free text searches will be slower in tenex > format, since it actually has to read messages from the disk. In bezerk > format, it'll do searches from memory, so that is faster. Envelope/MIME > parses are potentially faster in bezerk format because of all the data being > in memory as well. This is rarely much of an issue in actuality though. On the whole I am being very tempted to go with the Tenex format for the INBOX. I'm not overly worried about the free text searching, etc, which are used relatively infrequently. I'm glad you said it is generally faster... I had thought there was a slight speed increase and wondered if I was hallucinating it. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 01:37:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26774; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:37:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08456; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:30:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08448; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:30:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn10w-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shields@tembel.org (Michael Shields) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 9 Mar 1995 16:27:30 -0500 Message-Id: <3jnrs2$9k2@yage.tembel.org> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> In article <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com>, wrote: > Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. Oil and water is actually an excellent analogy. They're both liquids; they can be measured and poured with the same tools. But they are used for different purposes, and if you mix them, if you lose track of which is which, people will complain. -- Shields. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 01:56:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27094; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:56:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15705; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:50:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15699; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:50:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn1Km-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 9 Mar 1995 22:08:05 GMT Message-Id: <3jnu85$ca3@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3jmij3$9r5@hustle.rahul.net> Rahul Dhesi writes: >My guess is that if you disagree with Mark by posting >to comp.mail.pine, you are branded as sending abusive email. (News vs >email confusion here.) This is certainly not the case since I've publicly disagreed with Mark and the Pine Team on a number of different occasions and I've always received intelligent, well thought out responses. On the other hand I've received plenty of flame responses from people not on the Pine Team. Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o )Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! The Call For Votes (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < is in news.announce.newgroups.( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 02:04:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27238; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:04:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08804; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:58:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08798; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:58:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn1OJ-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: reply-to? Date: 9 Mar 1995 22:17:23 GMT Message-Id: <3jnupj$a83@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: David L Miller wrote: >On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Thomas wrote: )>Is there a way to set a reply-to header using Pine? It apparently )>understands that header on incoming mail, but I can't find any key (nor )>information in the help and man pages) that does it. Is it even possible? )>I'm using Pine 3.89, compiled for Linux. Thanks. > >Not in Pine 3.89, but there is in the current Pine 3.91 release... You could postpone the message, suspend Pine, and edit the header of postponed-mail. It's a pain, but it works (at least it does in 3.87, which my site's *still* using). -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 02:44:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27824; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:44:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16302; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:38:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16296; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:38:03 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA05597; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:35:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:35:12 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky Reply-To: vs@utia.cas.cz To: Steve Inners Cc: Pine Information Subject: Re: imapd and SCO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Steve Inners wrote: > the pine-3.91.tar for SCO to my inetd.conf file: >=20 > =09imapd stream tcp nowait root /etc/imapd imapd I used info given by you to succesfully installed Winsocks pcpine (I had=20 received the same error message before) with one exeption --- according=20 to comments in my inetd.conf it is necessary to use name of service from=20 /etc/services as the first word of inetd.conf line---seems to me you=20 used a name of the daemon. So for HP it works using: imap stream tcp nowait root ......... Try imap instead of imapd. I hope it helps (and thank YOU for your help) Vladimir P. S. Maybe it would be enough to send SIGHUP to inetd to make it load a= =20 new configuration (I don't know if its true for SCO...) | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe WWW (will) be at http://www.utia.cas.cz/home/WWW/data/user_data/vs/vs-home.= http From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 03:16:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28501; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:16:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16575; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:00:49 -0800 Err