From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 00:11:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07312; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:11:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29903; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:08:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29897; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:08:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD6FK-00000AC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 23:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nsroh@juno.kaist.ac.kr (Roh Nam-Seok) Subject: Forcing encoding type Date: 1 Dec 1994 04:29:17 GMT Message-Id: <3bjjet$bdk@news.kreonet.re.kr> Status: O X-Status: I am using PINE 3.89 in Linux system. Pine encodes sending mail automatically depending on its text content. I use 8 bit text (Korean Hangul) for sending mail and since it's full 8 bit, pine encodes it to BASE64. If english content is larger than hangul, it encodes to QUOTED-PRINTABLE. I don't want hangul TEXT mail encoded neither BASE64 nor QUOTED-PRINTABLE when sending my mail, because most of others in my country doesn't recognize these format. So, I want to disable this coding system in pine. Or force conding to 8 Bit. Is there any solution? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Roh Nam-Seok@MS&E.KAIST.KOREA nsroh@juno.kaist.ac.kr nsroh@chiak.kaist.ac.kr ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 00:36:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07756; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:36:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27211; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:33:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27205; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:33:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD6f3-00000AC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rascott@nmsu.edu (Randy A. Scott) Subject: screen scroll size Date: 1 Dec 1994 07:58:10 GMT Message-Id: <3bjvmi$mg@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Status: O X-Status: When you hit space when reading a message in PINE, it gives you the next screenful. However the last two lines of the previous screen become the first two lines of the new screen. I know most people like this effect because it lends to continuity, but it drives me crazy. I invariably start reading the first line expecting to be getting new information. I don't care for the "deja vu all over again" effect. Is there a setting for this in 3.91? I couldn't find one. I'm not keen on recompiling it for this one nit. ras -- ---+--------------------------------------+----------------------------+ / Randy A. Scott rascott@nmsu.edu / Never attribute to malice / / WWW: http://rever.nmsu.edu/~ras/ / that which is adequately / / CompuServe: 72002,2746 1:305/102 / explained by stupidity. / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 00:59:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08535; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:59:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00706; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:55:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00700; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:55:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD6yl-00000aC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: arice@dorsai.dorsai.org () Subject: what is pcpine? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 07:40:53 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hi Can anyone tell me what is pcpine? how to get it? thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 02:41:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10970; Thu, 1 Dec 94 02:41:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28866; Thu, 1 Dec 94 02:31:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28860; Thu, 1 Dec 94 02:31:03 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:27:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:27:23 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Randy A. Scott" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: screen scroll size In-Reply-To: <3bjvmi$mg@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 1 Dec 1994, Randy A. Scott wrote: > When you hit space when reading a message in PINE, it gives you the next > screenful. However the last two lines of the previous screen become the > first two lines of the new screen. I know most people like this effect > because it lends to continuity, but it drives me crazy. I invariably > start reading the first line expecting to be getting new information. I > don't care for the "deja vu all over again" effect. > > Is there a setting for this in 3.91? I couldn't find one. I'm not keen > on recompiling it for this one nit. Sorry to tell you....it is a compile time setting.... In os.h /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- In scrolling through text, the number of lines from the previous screen to overlap when showing the next screen. Usually set to two. ----*/ #define OVERLAP (2) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 05:17:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15071; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:17:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01135; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:08:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01129; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:08:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDAuW-00000AC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 04:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) Subject: My phquery loops forever Date: 1 Dec 1994 15:33:03 +0800 Message-Id: <3bju7f$2tv2@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Status: O X-Status: Currently testing phquery on qi server The command is: phquery -d -f sender@hkbc.hk receiver@hkbc.hk < /dev/null It appears to get the record for me okay. However after that, it seems to go on looking and go into a loop (as seen by the TIME field on ps -ef | grep phquery) Not sure about the versions of qi and phquery (the latter I got recently from IDA sendmail archive and the former I got it installed over a year ago) Do the versions matter ? -- \\\// (o o) [----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------] PM Wong (Computer Officer) CTSC [User User User User User User User User Us] Hong Kong Baptist University [ser User User User User User User User Use] 224 Waterloo Road, Kln. HONGKONG [er User User User User User User User User] Voice: (852)3397425 Fax: 3397888 [------------------------------------------] Email: pm@ctsc.hkbc.hk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 05:29:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15366; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:29:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04239; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:19:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04233; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:19:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDB0h-00000JC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 04:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nick Boris Subject: Read Rcpt: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:33:23 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: We have been having wierd STMP problems with our system (Papaya went on vacation -- don't ask!) and managed to go from Turkey Day through yesterday with about a 20% mail loss. This is not due to Pine (ooh, gotta love it!) but something else. Pine saves to sent-mail or wherever and then...IT DISSAPPEARS. My SysAdmin mentioned that he found a line that you can add to the header (user-definable header) that will send a 'Letter Read Receipt' to the sender. He blieved that this was recognized by all but SUN/Solaris (ICK!) systems. (Hey, we've got BSD, change a letter and you've got....Kind-a makes it fun) IF we were ablt to put this in our headers (not everyone's...really just mine) we could keep tabs on what is going out and what isn't and try to find the problem (which we haven't) If anyone knows the syntax for this please let me/us know. Please help and excuse my annoying nature. I spend too much time in front of the computer and don't get to talk to enough real people! Thank you in advance, Nick nmboris@artsci.wustl.edu http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~nmboris/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 05:30:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15449; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:30:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01299; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:20:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01293; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:20:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDB0Y-00000EC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 04:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: help! carriage return problems? Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:22:45 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bgsvs$r90@larry.rice.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 30 Nov 1994, Robert Allan Sutton wrote: > I'd be very interested in hearing if this actually fixes the problem. We have > noticed the exact same symptoms here on one of our BSDI systems. The problem > only occurs from certain Macintosh clients. However, those same clients can > connect to other systems with no problems, and other machines can connect to > our BSDI system and run pine (and pico) with no problems. Perhaps someone > (Mark?) could explain just exactly what it is that is broken in the NeXT > telnetd and whether the problem has also been seen elesewhere. I looked at > file Mark mentions above, however it does not include any explanation or > source code or I might try to compile it here. If anyone has any insights as > to what is going on, I would be very appreciative. Several years ago, a buggy version of the telnet daemon was released on BSD systems. NeXT systems are distributed with version 5.45 of 6/28/90 which is one of the buggy versions. By version 5.48 of 3/1/91, this bug was fixed. The bug is that the broken telnetd version converts the Internet newline sequence CR LF into LF, apparently in a misguided notion of converting it to UNIX newline. Because of this UNIX telnetd bug, many Telnet clients do not send Internet newlines. They send CR NUL, which is the Telnet protocol command to send a raw CR. Other Telnet clients, such as the Mac ones you mention, follow the spec and send Internet newlines when the user hits return. It must be emphasized that there is nothing wrong with the Mac clients; they are doing the right thing and it is the UNIX servers that are broken. Furthermore, this bug was fixed years ago, so it is only the extreme laziness of vendors such as NeXT that this bug still persists. If your UNIX system still has this bug, you might want to ask its vendor what other bugs you have due to their callousness. The telnetd binary that I distribute on the ftp.cac.washington.edu server comes from netbsd sources on CD-ROM. The only change which I made to the source was to insert a workaround to the process group handling, necessary because NeXT broke the tty driver in 3.1 (still broken in 3.2). My recommendation to fix your BSDI system is to get any of the UNIX CD-ROMs with telnetd sources, and build your own copy of a modern telnetd. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 06:25:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16498; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:25:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02064; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:17:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02058; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:17:22 -0800 Received: from RS2.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07749; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:17:21 -0800 Received: by rs2.npt.nuwc.navy.mil (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14629; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:17:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul S. Drake" To: pine info Subject: undigest Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does pine 3.91 have the capability to seperate a digested mail message into individual mail messages similar to the undigestify-rmail-message command in GNU emacs? Paul S. Drake Naval Undersea Warfare Center drake@rs2.npt.nuwc.navy.mil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 06:27:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16597; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:27:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02021; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:14:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02015; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:14:07 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:10:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:10:26 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Nick Boris Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Read Rcpt: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Nick Boris wrote: > My SysAdmin mentioned that he found a line that you can add to the header > (user-definable header) that will send a 'Letter Read Receipt' to the > sender. He blieved that this was recognized by all but SUN/Solaris (ICK!) > systems. (Hey, we've got BSD, change a letter and you've got....Kind-a > makes it fun) IF we were ablt to put this in our headers (not > everyone's...really just mine) we could keep tabs on what is going out > and what isn't and try to find the problem (which we haven't) > > If anyone knows the syntax for this please let me/us know. There is no "standard" for either a "delivery receipt" or "read receipt". Many a sendmail implementation will process the: Return-Receipt-To: head which can be thought of as a "delivery receipt" But you can't trust that will work all of the time. The idea of a "delivery receipt" needs to be implemented on the MTA level since it is the MTA that is responsible for delivery. Once a mail is delivered it is the task of the User Agent (UA) to present the contents of the mail to you. Thus, if a "read" receipt were to be implemented it would need to be implemented at the UA level since only the UA would have a reasonable chance to determine if the letter was opened. (Please note that *no* UA or any software can determine if the letter has been "read".) Some UAs do implement a "read" receipt. However, the scheme only works when individuals are using the UA at both ends. Even then, some vendors change the way they implement the feature between versions! Bottom line....forget "read" receipts. > Please help and excuse my annoying nature. I spend too much time in front > of the computer and don't get to talk to enough real people! Truer words were never spoken.... :-) :-) Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 06:39:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16824; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:39:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05070; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:23:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05064; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:23:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDC76-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) Date: 1 Dec 1994 06:01:56 GMT Message-Id: <3bjosk$m4k@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: David L Miller writes: >You can also specify a folder-collection of > *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/[] Why is it that this shows up in my folder list as a "News-collection," i.e.: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- News-collection (Remote) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why isn't it a "Folder-collection"? Also, this particular mailing list is linked to the newsgroup comp.internet.net-happenings, so if you have access to newsgroups then you may prefer to read this as a newsgroup. Does anyone know if the link between the net-happenings mailing list and newsgroup is bidirectional? Thanks, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 09:59:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25089; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:59:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09071; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:49:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09063; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:49:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDFKG-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: [HELP] printing a postscript file Date: 1 Dec 1994 15:43:46 GMT Message-Id: <3bkqvi$t3k@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: thang@donald.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Thang M Nguyen) writes: >I would like to print a postscript file from pine to my postscript >printer at home. Can you tell me how would I do it? First export the message and edit it so that the first line looks like this (it might say a different version): %!PS-Adobe-1.0 Then, at your unix prompt type: ansiprt < filename.ps Or, if that doesn't work and ansiprint is installed, try this: ansiprint filename.ps And if that doesn't work try a different comm program. On my system, the above two work when I'm using DOS Kermit but don't work when I use Delrina's WinComm (but if anyone knows how to get them to work with WinComm I'd love to know!). If you still can't print a postscript file directly from your Unix account you can download them to your PC (if you have a PC) and then use either of the following to print the postscript file: copy filename.ps lpt1 type filename.ps > lpt1 Or open filename.ps up inside of DOS Edit and choose Print from the File menu. I hope one of these works for you. Postscript printers are great! -Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 10:18:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26179; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:18:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09626; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:12:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09620; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:12:52 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 01 Dec 94 11:06:21 MST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA106975; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:14:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: Chuck Coronella Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yes - please! -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Chuck Coronella wrote: > With the new release of OS/2 Warp (3.0), there is (or will be) a significant > demand for a product such as pine for OS/2. More and more people will be > switching to OS/2 in the future, and the only mailers currently available for > OS/2 are clearly inadequate. > > Please, please please! > > Chuck Coronella > Chemical & Metallurgical Engineering Department > University of Nevada, Reno > coronell@pogonip.unr.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 11:12:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28734; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:12:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08306; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:05:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08300; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:05:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDGUz-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: igbf@unixfe.rl.ac.uk (Ivan Fabian) Subject: Can pine be configd to talk POP Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:15:58 GMT Message-Id: <3bl0ce$1eih@unixfe.rl.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: Can I use pine to talk to a POP server. We will eventually have an IMAP server but until then I need POP. Thanks for any help Ivan Fabian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 11:54:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01004; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:54:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11795; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:39:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11789; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:39:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDGyb-00000CC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: maburak@nmsu.edu (Mary Burak) Subject: pine3.91 drops core Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:53:15 GMT Message-Id: <3bl2ib$hc7@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Status: O X-Status: I recently installed pine3.91 and everything seemed to be OK. But, the next day, I recieved notification of 16 core files dropped because of pine. Does anyone know why this happens? Please send email to maburak@nmsu.edu. Thanks in advance. -- Mary Burak maburak@nmsu.edu Workstation Support Center Computing and Networking Technologies Organization New Mexico State University, Las Cruces http://www.nmsu.edu/demo_page/test.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 12:06:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01790; Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:06:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09463; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:54:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09457; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:54:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDHFB-00000EC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: faridf6@cti.ecp.fr (Farzad Farid) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 1 Dec 1994 09:58:52 GMT Message-Id: <3bk6os$ah8@piston.ecp.fr> References: <3bfflf$cst@anshar.shadow.net> <3bfk4b$p99@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> <3bhn3e$juu@piston.ecp.fr> <3bhsj5$5dm@anshar.shadow.net> Status: O X-Status: michael alan dorman (mdorman@shadow.net) wrote: > Um, what compiler were you using? I use C/Set++, and wouldn't want > to continue this if it meant working with emx/gcc -- not that I have > anything against emx, it's just that I don't have enough diskspace > to keep two compilers around. Yes right :) I used emx/gcc because it's the best compiler for porting quickly a unix application. And that's exactly what I did without having to modify a lot of code. If you want to have a look a the code ask Don Loflin , I gave him the sources. Maybe you can ftp them there as I cannot set an FTP server myself my machine is too unstable. Farzad -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Farzad FARID | | faridf6@cti.ecp.fr Ecole Centrale Paris | | | | There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: | | LSD and Unix. We don't believe this to be a coincidence | | Jeremy S. Anderson | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 15:41:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11473; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:41:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17188; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:33:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17182; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:33:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDKjh-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: majidi@umdnj.edu (Masoud Majidi) Subject: documentation for pico Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:04:01 GMT Status: O X-Status: we are using pico as a standalone program/editor and I was wondering if anyone could point me to a place that I could some documentation for it. I have lots of documentaiton for pine and in some of them pico is briefly (very briefly) mentioned. If you have some on-line documentaion or know a place where I can find it, I'd greatly appreciate it if you would let me know. Thanks in advance, -- Masoud Majidi Internet: majidi@umdnj.edu Academic Computing Services Voice: (908) 235-4839 Univ of Medicine & Dentistry of NJ Fax: (908) 235-5252 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 16:22:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13963; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:22:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18355; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:17:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18349; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:17:20 -0800 Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by opus.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id SAA27590 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:17:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:17:18 -0600 From: Dave Rasmussen Message-Id: <199412020017.SAA27590@opus.csd.uwm.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine and unixware? Status: O X-Status: Anyone had any luck whittling at pine to make it build on unixware instead of dying at addrbook.c? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 16:53:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15424; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:53:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16504; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:47:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16498; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:47:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDLoc-00000DC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kreuzrsk@dfw.wa.gov (Randy Scott Kreuziger) Message-Id: <9412012201.AA03576@dfw.wa.gov> Subject: How to send to multiple users? Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 14:01:43 PST Status: O X-Status: Hi, i'm a PINE novice trying to convert my mail aliases over to PINE. How do you convert a group alias? Example, my mail alias is: alias gisusers randy ron tom bob I do not have usenet access so please send via email and I will post a summary! Also, is there any good PINE documentation? Thanks again. Randy Kreuziger (kreuzrsk@dfw.wa.gov) Wash Dept of Fish and Wildlife (206) 664-3751 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 16:58:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15645; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:58:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19137; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:53:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19131; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:53:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDLyU-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: Pine-3.91 first beta test for VMS Message-Id: <1994Dec1.212338.543@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 1 Dec 94 21:23:38 GMT Status: O X-Status: Pine 3.91 first beta release for VMS (VAX and AXP) is available from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL:/Local/Pine_3_91_beta_1.ZIP (use binary mode...). This version does not support message postponing nor FCC can be used. IMAPD is not available yet - use the one from the 3.89 release found at the same place. The README file is in [.CONTRIB.VMS] directory. The package contains the procedures to compile and the objects. If you want only to relink look at the bottom of [.PINE]VMSBUILD.COM and link it manually. This version does not have Hebrew support. Good luck, __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 18:57:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19092; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:57:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18656; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:48:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18650; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:48:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDNoB-00000DC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) Subject: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) Date: 1 Dec 1994 12:07:44 -0600 Message-Id: <3bl3dg$cfm@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: I love the newly-implented ';' select mode in Pine 3.9x. It's made dealing with mailing-list email tractable finally. But I keep wishing there was some way for Pine to 'remember' the multiple select commands I have to enter to isolate the messages of a particular mailing list. For instance, I'm on the 'tcp-group' mailing list, which has reasonably high traffic at times. But some messages are sent to the list using To:, some using Cc:. So to select them all, I have to hit '; T T tcp-group ' and then '; B T C tcp-group '. That's a lot of keystrokes. And I have to enter them at least every time I run Pine. And I'm on quite a few mailing lists, not just that one. My request is for a 'macro' capability, whereby I could hit say, '#' and a macro-name (i.e using ^T to browse and so on), which would execute the select commands. For that matter, this might as well be a general macro facility for any commands - then I could write one to not only select the messages, but save them and expunge them. Gosh, that sounds like mail filtering! For the (hopefully small) price of adding macros. Some of you will say "just use procmail". I can't. My mail server doesn't let me log in interactively - I can only access it via IMAP or POP3 (and I like it that way!). Besides, I like seeing *all* messages in one place, in case there's someting recent that catches my eye, before parceling them off to their own folders (where I then sort by subject). Opinions, criticism welcome. Flamers, go get a fire extinguisher :-) --- Don Loflin Microcomputer Technologies, // DISCLAIMER: I do not represent Computation Center - UT Austin // the views of my employer, nor loflin@mail.utexas.edu // am I acting officially for them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 19:00:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19201; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:00:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21268; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:53:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21262; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:53:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDNpJ-00000AC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) Subject: Compose in PCPine w/o remote folder open Date: 1 Dec 1994 12:12:24 -0600 Message-Id: <3bl3m8$ckb@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: I found this quote in the Pine tech-notes: By popular demand of system administrators, PC- Pine has been modified to prevent sending messages until the user has successfully logged into a remote mail server. That's all good and well, but I think the implementation of this in PC-Pine 3.91 needs to be changed. It won't even allow you to *compose* a message unless you've got a folder open! That's a big problem if you're using Pine on a laptop outdoors and don't happen to have a wireless modem.. I agree with disallowing the sending of messages without a remote folder open in PC-Pine. However, PC-Pine has the potential for basic disconnected operation by simply allowing Composing and Postponing (to a local folder) of messages when no connection is up. What I really want to be able to do is download a mail folder (or even just several messages) to my palmtop and then take it elsewhere (without a modem) to compose replies to the messages. When I'm ready to send, I'll plug it into a modem or even LAN card and punch ^X. Can the Pine developers point me to the right place in the source code to re-allow composing w/o a connection? For now, I'll settle for "allowing sending" without a remote folder open; I'm pretty sure I'm not going to try to forge email, but I'm impatient to sit in park to write email :-) --Don Loflin loflin@mail.utexas.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 19:52:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20251; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:52:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21991; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:45:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21985; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:45:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDOcm-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ryan Bradford Neily Subject: Putting Admin in AdressBook? Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 20:02:37 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am having trouble getting my name to appear in users address books so that they may mail me with problems. What are the exact tokens for this in pine.conf, and when I do get it working, will it appear in my address book as well being the admin? Ryan Bradford Neily Phone1: 912-871-3457 Georgia Southern University Phone2: 404-565-3087 ACM Vice President Data/Fax/BBS: 912-871-3885 Member Team Os/2! Internet: rbn@gsu.cs.GaSoU.edu Fidonet: 1@1:18/3 VNet: 2@1912110 GAT/GCS d++ p+(++) c++ l u++ e++ m* s+/- n-(--) h-- f++ !g w+ t--- r-- x+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 19:57:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20346; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:57:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19537; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:51:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19531; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:51:26 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:47:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:47:38 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Don Loflin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) In-Reply-To: <3bl3dg$cfm@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 1 Dec 1994, Don Loflin wrote: > I love the newly-implented ';' select mode in Pine 3.9x. It's made > dealing with mailing-list email tractable finally. But I keep wishing > there was some way for Pine to 'remember' the multiple select commands > I have to enter to isolate the messages of a particular mailing list. > > For instance, I'm on the 'tcp-group' mailing list, which has reasonably > high traffic at times. But some messages are sent to the list using > To:, some using Cc:. So to select them all, I have to hit '; T T > tcp-group ' and then '; B T C tcp-group '. That's a lot of > keystrokes. And I have to enter them at least every time I run Pine. > And I'm on quite a few mailing lists, not just that one. > > My request is for a 'macro' capability, whereby I could hit say, '#' > and a macro-name (i.e using ^T to browse and so on), which would > execute the select commands. For that matter, this might as well be a > general macro facility for any commands - then I could write one to not > only select the messages, but save them and expunge them. Gosh, that > sounds like mail filtering! For the (hopefully small) price of adding > macros. I've not given it a try, (I use procmail.. :-) :-) ) , I wonder if the "pine -I" would be of value? You could make up a series of alias commands (i.e. pine.tcp) that would alias to the appropriate "pine -I" command that would perform the keystrokes necessary to perform the functions that your describe. I realize it is a bit "clunky" and your suggestion is better...but in the mean time..... Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 21:08:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21781; Thu, 1 Dec 94 21:08:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20541; Thu, 1 Dec 94 21:04:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20535; Thu, 1 Dec 94 21:04:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDPsX-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 20:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Winnall Subject: mailcap and pine Date: 30 Nov 1994 16:09:37 GMT Message-Id: <3bi841$qri@mx.ska.com> Status: O X-Status: Could someone tell me why Pine ignores the following mailcap entry? text/x-pgp;/usr/local/bin/pgp -f < %s;needsterminal Exactly the same file works fine with metamail. I have set up $MAILCAPS to point at the file. Pine resolutely ignores all my mailcap entries in versions 3.90 and 3.91 under Solaris 2.3 and in WIN-OS/2. Clearly I am doing something fundamentally wrong, but I don't know what. HELP??? Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 23:17:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24391; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:17:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24593; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:14:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24587; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:14:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDRtU-00000AC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: randy@uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Randy Kreuziger) Subject: Problem with local Unix mail and network Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 05:11:04 GMT Status: O X-Status: We jusk got PINE on our system and i'd like to use it as a replacement for the Unix mail command but I'm having a problem sending mail to other local users. We have a network of 6 Sun Sparcs, one of them acting as a mail server to the others. When I try and send email to a local user the PINE program appends the hostname to the mail so that email to 'kreuzrsk' becomes 'kreuzrsk@gandalf'. This always bounces back! Email send to the user at the domainname works with PINE. Any ideas? Mail comes back with an error 554 whatever that is. At least with the Unix mail command I can sned local mail even if I can't stand it for reading email. I'm no longer at this internet address so please send suggestions to kreuzrsk@dfw.wa.gov thanks. randy kreuziger Washing Dept. of Fish and Wildlife From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 23:54:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25128; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:54:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25025; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:51:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dutw1.wbmt.tudelft.nl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25019; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:51:16 -0800 Received: by dutw1.wbmt.tudelft.nl id AA00531 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:50:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:50:55 +0100 (MET) From: Tjeerd Jongeling X-Sender: tjeerd@dutw1 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Also my problem: Putting Admin in AdressBook? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Ryan Bradford Neily wrote: > I am having trouble getting my name to appear in users address books so > that they may mail me with problems. > > What are the exact tokens for this in pine.conf, and when I do get it > working, will it appear in my address book as well being the admin? I have a look-a-like problem (on SunOS.4.1.1). Introducing 'bugs-fullname' and 'bugs-address' in pine.conf and/or pine.conf.fixed has no effect. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 00:54:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26614; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:54:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23547; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:51:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23541; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:51:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDTN9-00000NC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: [HELP] printing a postscript file Date: 2 Dec 1994 02:47:02 GMT Message-Id: <3bm1r6$g0j@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: thang@donald.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Thang M Nguyen) writes: >I would like to print a postscript file from pine to my postscript >printer at home. Can you tell me how would I do it? In order for the postscript file to be printed on your postscript printer the first line needs to start with something like this (it might say a different version): %!PS-Adobe-1.0 Note that after this there will be lots of other postscript code too. So you need to remove the headers and any blank lines and non-postscript text before sending it to your printer. There are a number of ways to do this. An elegant solution is to type V to view attachments and then type the pipe character followed by "ansiprt" (or a similar command like "lpansi" or "ansiprint"). The brute force way is to first export (E) the message and then edit out the headers and any non-postscript text, and then send it to your printer using one of the following. At your unix prompt type: ansiprt < filename.ps Or, if that doesn't work and ansiprint is installed, try this: ansiprint filename.ps And if that doesn't work try a different comm program. On my system, the above two work when I'm using DOS Kermit but don't work when I use Delrina's WinComm (but if anyone knows how to get them to work with WinComm I'd love to know!). If you still can't print a postscript file directly from your Unix account you can download them to your PC (if you have a PC) and then use either of the following to print the postscript file: copy filename.ps lpt1 type filename.ps > lpt1 Or open filename.ps up inside of DOS Edit and choose Print from the File menu. I hope one of these works for you. Postscript printers are great! -Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 00:55:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26646; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:55:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25845; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:51:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25839; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:51:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDTNJ-00000OC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nancym@chinook.halcyon.com (Nancy McGough) Subject: cmsg cancel <3bkqvi$t3k@news.halcyon.com> Control: cancel <3bkqvi$t3k@news.halcyon.com> Date: 2 Dec 1994 02:47:11 GMT Message-Id: <3bm1rf$g0o@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: cancel <3bkqvi$t3k@news.halcyon.com> in newsgroup comp.mail.pine -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 02:48:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29494; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:48:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27323; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27316; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDVEc-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: unger@raindrop.seaslug.org (Tom Unger) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:05:30 GMT Message-Id: <1994Nov30.170530.21842@raindrop.seaslug.org> References: <3bfflf$cst@anshar.shadow.net> <3bfk4b$p99@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: Don Loflin wrote: >>If I were Chuck, I might ask the PINE authors if they've had any experience >>using one of the several versions of PINE with IBM's TCP/IP for DOS. None >>of them are explicitly listed as such. I also have not explored the DOS >>Box interface enough to know if it conforms to something standard like >>the pktdvr interface, but I suspect it might not. One of our user did try the windows version of pine under OS/2 (2.1?). He reported several unusual problems. Many, but perhaps not all, went away when he reinstalled OS/2. I'ld be curious to hear how wpine works with the new OS/2 Getting pine to work under OS/2 has not been a high priority. I'm not even sure there is a OS/2 host that I could test on. Thomas Unger Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington, Seattle -- -- Tom Unger WWC From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 02:51:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29586; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:51:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25066; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25060; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDVAS-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: spencer.fritz@techtalk.com Message-Id: <9412020101.A4371wk@techtalk.com> Subject: BINARY Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 01:01:36 Status: O X-Status: >From ICF-2010-request@cup.hp.com Thu Dec 1 22:45:31 1994 Received: from onet2.cup.hp.com (daemon@onet2.cup.hp.com [15.255.208.3]) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA05736 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:45:31 -0500 Received: by onet2.cup.hp.com (1.37.109.14.1/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA203467813; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:10:13 -0800 Errors-To: ICF-2010-errors@cup.hp.com Sender: Precedence: bulk X-Info: Accepted by ICF-2010 distribution list at Thu Dec 1 19:10:13 PST 1994 X-Info: Submissions to ICF-2010@cup.hp.com X-Info: Change requests to ICF-2010-request@cup.hp.com Received: from shark10.math.umass.edu by onet2.cup.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.14.1/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA203257808; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:10:08 -0800 Received: from thales (thales [128.119.47.21]) by shark10.math.umass.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA11611 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:00:55 -0500 Received: by thales (5.51/SMI-3.2) id AA01801; Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:00:53 EST Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:00:53 EST From: jimw@math.umass.edu (Jim Weigang) Message-Id: <9412020300.AA01801@thales> To: icf-2010@cup.hp.com Subject: Re: 2010 evolution ? My 2010 picks up interference on 455 kHz with the external antenna unplugged, but it stops when I plug anything into the AM antenna socket, including a adapter plug with nothing connected to it, or the supplied wire antenna all coiled up and set atop the radio (which you'd think would pick up any radiation from the radio). The set is serial number 303337, bought in August '89, and it has both Kiwa filters installed. The front end isn't blown (last time I checked), but the radio is deafer than some. (A friend's newer one is noticeably more sensitive.) My radio produces another spurious noise when it's turned up loud in Sync or SSB mode (7 or more on a strong station). Some vibration-sensitive component produces a signal in response to vibration from the speaker, resulting a howl of feedback. You can hear sound produced by the component at lower volumes by tapping on the case. By tapping around inside the radio with the back off, I could tell that the component is inside a metal box on the lower right corner of the main circuit board (as you face the back of the radio), but I didn't feel like unsoldering the box. (This is the AM VCO 1 section.) My friend's radio is also vibration-sensitive, but not enough to cause feedback. Has anybody else noticed this problem and figured out how to fix it? (Foam on the mounting clips didn't help.) Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 03:12:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00247; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:12:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25342; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:07:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25336; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:07:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDVUW-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hllywood@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_user) Subject: Where's INBOX? Date: 2 Dec 1994 10:09:47 GMT Message-Id: <3bmrpb$1i3@aladdin.iii.org.tw> Status: O X-Status: I'm using PINE and I can't find the INBOX file. It's supposed to be under the "mail" folder/directory, but I looked everywhere and couldn't find it. Respond to: hllywood@tpts1.seed.net.tw From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 03:57:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01336; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:57:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28173; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:52:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28167; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:52:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDWG2-00000JC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tonyl@au.mdis.com (Tony Lorimer) Subject: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: 2 Dec 1994 05:21:49 GMT Message-Id: <3bmatd$no6@tardis.au.mdis.com> Status: O X-Status: Hi All Pine Users, Has anyone had the following problem: I am currently using the ipop3d server to service all my PC users on our network. Some users use the PC mail packages only to detect whether new mail has arrived and then go into PINE on our UNIX system to read their mail. My problem is that when they fire up PINE after a few minutes they get the error message: "Another Pine accessing your INBOX. Session chnaged to read only." Now I know for sure that it is the ipop3d server setting the lock on the users mailbox. My PINE version is 3.91 Has anyone else had this problem ????. Is this a bug/feature with the interaction of PINE and ipop3d ???. Please _HELP_ -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Lorimer (tlorimer@au.mdis.com) Phone: +612 4365700 MDIS - McDonnell Information Systems Pty Ltd Fax : +612 4392439 Sydney Australia Voice: +612 4365751 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 04:28:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02651; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:28:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28897; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:25:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28891; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:25:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDWnD-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Suggestion: flag for inclusion of file for edit Date: 2 Dec 1994 07:11:54 GMT Message-Id: <3bmhbq$kks@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: It would be *wonderful* if Pine were to have a flag, like Elm's -i flag, that would allow it to start up in composition mode with a preloaded file in editing. This would allow us to use Pine's composition screen to compose replies to news, even if we do not use Pine's newsreader. It would also facilitate the use of Pine for filling out forms to be sent via email. It seems like a fairly simple feature change. In Elm it was added as part of a mostly bug-fix release, it didn't add much extra code at all. Thanks! -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 04:30:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02688; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:30:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26541; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:25:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26535; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:25:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDWkT-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: mailcap and pine Date: 2 Dec 1994 07:04:30 GMT Message-Id: <3bmgtu$kj9@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3bi841$qri@mx.ska.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <3bi841$qri@mx.ska.com>, Stephen Winnall wrote: >Could someone tell me why Pine ignores the following >mailcap entry? > > text/x-pgp;/usr/local/bin/pgp -f < %s;needsterminal I found this out when I tried to set text/html to start lynx. So long as the text in question is 7-bit clean, Pine assumes you would rather read any text attachment from within Pine rather than have Pine start up a viewer. Silly, perhaps. But what content types to handle and which to outsource to the mailcap viewers is an important design decision in any program which uses MIME. Some programs go too far the other way. For example, lynx will happily observe a mailcap incantation telling it to invoke lynx to read text/html, which will observe the mailcap line and invoke lynx, which will invoke lynx, which will invoke lynx... -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 04:31:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02770; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:31:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28927; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:26:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28921; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:26:35 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <24972-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:20:53 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA08840; Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:26:55 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:26:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Tony Lorimer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing In-Reply-To: <3bmatd$no6@tardis.au.mdis.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I think you'll find it is indeed an interation between Pine and the POP server. POP mail clients check for new mail by periodically connecting to the POP server. This will grab the mail folder lock from any other process (IMAP server, POP server or Pine session). When this happens the Pine user will be notified that the mail folder has become read-only (but the message will incorrectly say it is another Pine session ... in fact it is just another mail client). Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On 2 Dec 1994, Tony Lorimer wrote: > Hi All Pine Users, > > Has anyone had the following problem: > > I am currently using the ipop3d server to service all my PC users on our > network. Some users use the PC mail packages only to detect whether new > mail has arrived and then go into PINE on our UNIX system to read their mail. > My problem is that when they fire up PINE after a few minutes they get the > error message: > "Another Pine accessing your INBOX. Session chnaged to read only." > > Now I know for sure that it is the ipop3d server setting the lock on the > users mailbox. > > My PINE version is 3.91 > > Has anyone else had this problem ????. > Is this a bug/feature with the interaction of PINE and ipop3d ???. > > Please _HELP_ > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tony Lorimer (tlorimer@au.mdis.com) Phone: +612 4365700 > MDIS - McDonnell Information Systems Pty Ltd Fax : +612 4392439 > Sydney Australia Voice: +612 4365751 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 05:05:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03731; Fri, 2 Dec 94 05:05:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26947; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:55:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26941; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:55:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDXGJ-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Multiple Fcc Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:31:06 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: One of my users has requested the following feature. It strikes me as icing on the cake, but I would be interested in other people's views. He finds that he wants to have multiple copies of outgoing mail in different folders, and would like an easier way to do that than repeatedly Saving. His suggestion is that he be allowed comma delimited notation in the Fcc field, with the interpretation that it is a list of folders to be written to. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 07:06:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06616; Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:06:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01243; Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:00:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01237; Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:00:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDZAb-00000QC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 06:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calimero@lcco.u-strasbg.fr (Guy BRAND) Subject: Re: Eudora still binhexes Date: 2 Dec 1994 14:34:59 GMT Message-Id: <3bnbaj$kmv@thot.u-strasbg.fr> Status: O X-Status: -- Hi all, I'm not usually using Eudora, but I've read in one of the last mails posted in this group that Eudora was still Binhexing the binary files even when the AppleDouble encoding was chosen from the "mail composition window" in version 1.4.3 and it was suggested that this was a kind of "bug". This is false ! You can send binary files using AppleDouble format from the mail composition window and selecting Attach Document from the Mail menu. If you want the file to be sent properly you also have to uncheck the "send as document" (= send as Mac Document) option available from the popup menu. Than it works. A GIF file sent by Eudora 1.4.3 to my station can be viewed with xv within Pine. IT works properly. Headers are : Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========================_30353244==_" X-Mailer: Eudora F1.4.3 AppleDouble selected + Send as (Mac) Document unselected + Quote Printable Of course, good things to do by default in Eudora would be : 1 - uncheck the "send as document" option 2 - check the Quoted-Printable option 3 - prefer AppleDouble instead of BinHex as encoding format It's pretty nice to read Pine related news from this group so could we follow this discussion in comp.mail ? Bye Guy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Guy BRAND guybrand@chimie.u-strasbg.fr Centre de Recherche Chimie ULP Strasbourg (FRANCE) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 11:21:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17481; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:21:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04177; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:16:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04171; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:16:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDd5r-00000IC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 10:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hagberg@mail.med.cornell.edu (Eric C Hagberg) Subject: "Bounce" command doesn't always bounce Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 12:03:32 -0500 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I've noticed that in pine 3.91 (compiled under A/UX), the bounce command doesn't bounce messages to addresses that are of the form "user@host", but it does bounce to addresses of the form "user@host.fully.qualified.domain" or just "user". There is no error reported when the bounce doesn't occur, so it _looks_ like the bounce got delivered... but I know it doesn't. This isn't a local sendmail configuration problem (I don't think) as I can send mail from within pine to addresses of the "user@host" type. Ideas? -ech -- Eric Hagberg Phone: 212-746-6387 User Services Manager Fax: 212-746-8322 Office of Academic Computing Cornell Medical College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 12:27:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20922; Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:27:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08031; Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:16:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08025; Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:16:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDe3z-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PC-Pine for Windows INBOX??? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:21:02 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3bn7rn$po6@inkblot.med.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bn7rn$po6@inkblot.med.cornell.edu> Status: O X-Status: The third form is correct and the last should work. Does the host you are connecting to have IMAP service configured properly? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Dec 1994, Gary Zimmer wrote: > Date: 2 DEC 1994 13:35:51 GMT > From: Gary Zimmer > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: PC-Pine for Windows INBOX??? > > When I set my inbox parameter to: > > {host.domain.name/gdzimmer}INBOX > {host.domain.name/gdzimmer}/usr/mail/gdzimmer > {host.domain.name}INBOX > {host.domain.name}/usr/mail/gdzimmer > > Where host.domain.name is the name of the machine(s) that I want to get mail > from. What am I doing wrong?? Thanks in advance.... > > Gary > -- > ,,, > (o o) > +-=-=-=-=-=--------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------------------=-=-=-=-=-+ > | Gary D. Zimmer '97 Cornell University Medical College | > | Phone: (212) 737-6683 Pager: (800) 666-7243 #888-7067 | > | Email: gdzimmer@stud.med.cornell.edu | > +-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------------------------------=-=-=-=-=-+ > () () > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 13:54:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24373; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:54:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10003; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:46:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from central.darpa.mil by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09996; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:45:53 -0800 Received: from mail.arpa.mil by central.darpa.mil (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA22281; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:38:18 EST Message-Id: Date: 2 Dec 1994 16:46:28 U From: "eogrady" Subject: RE: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) To: "Paul H Kramer" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.1 Status: O X-Status: _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Paul H Kramer on Mon, Nov 28, 1994 7:55 PM Subject: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu MIDnet now provides "IMAP" access to all contributions mailed to the net-happenings mailing list. This means if you have a mail client that is imap-compliant (i.e., pine), you may read the latest articles off MIDnet's IMAP server. By offering this kind of access, you don't have to subscribe to net-happenings yourself, just rely on MIDnet to provide you the articles. The format for accessing an IMAP server is: *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/yy-mm-dd where you replace yy with "94", mm with "11", "10", etc and dd with "01", "11", etc. For example, after you press "g" in pine (for the "go-to" command), you would enter the above string like this: *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/94-11-21 If you have comments or suggestions on how this service might be improved, send mail to nic@mid.net. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 13:54:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24405; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:54:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07387; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:46:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07381; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:46:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDfVV-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gdzimmer@stud.med.cornell.edu (Gary Zimmer) Subject: PC-Pine for Windows INBOX??? Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:35:51 GMT Message-Id: <3bn7rn$po6@inkblot.med.cornell.edu> Status: O X-Status: When I set my inbox parameter to: {host.domain.name/gdzimmer}INBOX {host.domain.name/gdzimmer}/usr/mail/gdzimmer {host.domain.name}INBOX {host.domain.name}/usr/mail/gdzimmer Where host.domain.name is the name of the machine(s) that I want to get mail from. What am I doing wrong?? Thanks in advance.... Gary -- ,,, (o o) +-=-=-=-=-=--------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------------------=-=-=-=-=-+ | Gary D. Zimmer '97 Cornell University Medical College | | Phone: (212) 737-6683 Pager: (800) 666-7243 #888-7067 | | Email: gdzimmer@stud.med.cornell.edu | +-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------------------------------=-=-=-=-=-+ () () From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 15:09:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27336; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:09:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11747; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:03:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11741; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:03:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDgin-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 14:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu () Subject: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX Date: 2 Dec 1994 20:48:16 GMT Message-Id: <3bo16g$jn5@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: My site runs v3.89 (still!). When I fire up Pine, it puts me in the main menu. Is there a way to configure Pine so that it drops me straight into my INBOX? I tried the command `pine -i i', but Pine interpreted this as an attempt to compose a message to someone with the userid 'i'. Thanks for your help! Don Pratt Syracuse University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 15:32:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28173; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:32:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09649; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:27:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09643; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:27:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDh4n-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu () Subject: Re: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX Date: 2 Dec 1994 22:29:45 GMT Message-Id: <3bo74p$m44@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: I figured out how to do it, though (like the Wizard of Oz) I'm not sure how the damn thing works. 'pine -i' with no additional para- meters fires up Pine and places me directly in INBOX. Don Pratt Syracuse University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 16:49:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01345; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:49:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13961; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:36:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13955; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:36:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDiD7-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Paul M. Morano" Subject: just testing Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:06:56 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: well, this is my first time using pine with a newsgroup so this is a test. , \ / , / \ )\__/( / \ / \ ( _ _ ) / \ __________________/_____\__\@ @/___/_____\_________________ | |\../| | | \VV/ | | Paul Morano | | paul@nermal.wsc.mass.edu | | | |__________________________________________________________| l /\ / \\ \ /\ l l / V )) V \ l l/ // \l V From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 18:29:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05123; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:29:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13297; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:19:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13291; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:19:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDjie-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 17:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johnf@sparc.nic.bc.ca (John Furman) Subject: help with Pine under Solaris 2.3 using gcc Message-Id: <1994Nov29.165725.27727@nicad3.nic.bc.ca> Date: 29 Nov 94 16:57:25 -0800 Status: O X-Status: I am looking for information regarding compiling Pine under Solaris 2.3 using gcc. I did not have much success, i.e. warnings and errors due to "memcpy" etc. Any help via email is very much appreciated. John Furman North Island College Courtenay, B.C.,Canada johnf@sparc.nic.bc.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 18:45:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05555; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:45:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16384; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:34:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16378; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:34:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDk0n-00000IC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) Date: 3 Dec 1994 00:09:25 GMT Message-Id: <3bocvl$g3r@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Don Loflin with this query in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 1 Dec 1994 12:07:44 -0600: + For instance, I'm on the 'tcp-group' mailing list, which has reasonably + high traffic at times. But some messages are sent to the list using + To:, some using Cc:. So to select them all, I have to hit '; T T + tcp-group ' and then '; B T C tcp-group '. Try this: ; T A tcp-group That should work. You can also type tcp-group@its.complete.e-mailaddrs to make the selection process much more stringent. Enjoy! PS: However the 'macro' idea isin't that bad at all. Infact what will be more kewl is if i can define 'macros' in pico(a la vi keymaps). -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 18:47:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05643; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:47:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13586; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:37:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13580; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:37:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDk6Y-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Thomas Guptill) Subject: US Mirror of PineVMS 3.91 Beta Message-Id: <1994Dec2.225543.2376@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 22:55:43 GMT Status: O X-Status: To save some international network load, I've placed the pine VMS 3.91 beta on lenin.cc.rochester.edu. Just anonymous ftp, do an LS, and there it is. Note that the ftp site is capped at 5 users (it's a tired old PC) so you may have to wait a bit... Tom -- | Tom Guptill | | CPU Box 277445 UoR | | Rochester, NY 14627 tgpt_ltd@UORDBV | | GMT-5h (716) 274-3210 I don't speak for UCC from this account. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 23:07:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10721; Fri, 2 Dec 94 23:07:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19749; Fri, 2 Dec 94 22:57:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19743; Fri, 2 Dec 94 22:57:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDo9w-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 22:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Penio Penev Subject: Re: undigest Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 23:29:19 GMT Status: O X-Status: drake@rs2.npt.nuwc.navy.mil ("Paul S. Drake") wrote: > > Does pine 3.91 have the capability to seperate a digested mail message > into individual mail messages similar to the undigestify-rmail-message > command in GNU emacs? Sine pine shows the digests like MIME attcachments, I'd like to see dealing with indexes of MIME attachments to have the same functionality as dealing with indexes of mail folders. Then a digest will look like a mail folder and one could save the interesting messages with the group commands. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 00:00:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11524; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:00:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17602; Fri, 2 Dec 94 23:53:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17596; Fri, 2 Dec 94 23:53:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDozw-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 23:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ainman@stimpy.us.itd.umich.edu (Andrew Douglas Inman) Subject: Forwarding Mail w/ Pine Date: 3 Dec 1994 07:33:40 GMT Message-Id: <3bp70k$khi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have a suggestion on a method to allow users to forward mail send to an imap server when either: a) It's a machine they don't have a login to directly or b) It's a machine where they have a restricted shell which only allows them to spawn pine, etc. I'm looking for an automated method that doesn't require the Sys. Admin do anything. I could probably write up a script of somesort but it's a pain and difficult to maintain and keep secure. -- Andrew (ainman@umich.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 00:30:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12035; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:30:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20733; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:23:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20727; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:23:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDpQS-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: plaws@comp..uark.edu (Peter Laws) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 29 Nov 1994 15:06:57 GMT Message-Id: <3bfg2h$9ul@wizard.uark.edu> References: <3art2f$6g9@crl3.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: I just wanted to add my US$0.02 to this silly debate: I like Pine. As soon as it was offered on our systems here (3.05), I stopped using everything else. I like 3.9x's config screens. I like the message select features (esp. mass delete :-). The news reader is great. I, however, choose to use nn because I am more familiar with it and it offers a few more features (and I'm the nn support dweeb here). The Pine Development Team should congratulated, not criticized. Sooner or later, participants in this "debate" will realize that software publishers cannot satisfy each and every user's whims and desires. And the source *is* freely available ... As the old saying goes "RTFM" ... :-) (and a big thanks to the PDT for the great MUA!!) Peter Laws Peter Laws|"Suppose you were a politician. Now suppose you n5uwy@ka5bml.#nwar.ar.usa.noam |were an idiot. Ah, but I repeat myself."-Twain From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 00:57:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12796; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:57:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18327; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:51:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18321; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:51:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDpqa-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: slawrenc@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (Shawn Lawrence) Subject: Help with PC-Pine Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:54:30 MST Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I can't get PC-PINE to work with the Edmonton Freenet, where they are running PINE for a mailer. Can anyone help me? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 00:57:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12807; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:57:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21109; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:51:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21103; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:51:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDpqv-00000DC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: prplhaze@metronet.com (prplhaze) Subject: mail quote format Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 03:35:10 GMT Status: O X-Status: hi all, have pine 3.90 i looked through the configuration setup and .pinerc trying to find a way to edit the mail_quote_format when starting a reply. want to change the following line that appears at start of reply. on date name wrote: thanks for any info -- prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from the other side |so can you tell me please..............who won From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 01:30:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13996; Sat, 3 Dec 94 01:30:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18852; Sat, 3 Dec 94 01:23:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18846; Sat, 3 Dec 94 01:23:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDqNF-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 01:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: a599417@ska.ska.com (Stephen Winnall/Oq9) Subject: Re: mailcap and pine Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:22:19 GMT Message-Id: <3bkm6r$iov@mx.ska.com> References: <3bi841$qri@mx.ska.com> Status: O X-Status: I've discovered the cause of the problem by reading the source of mailpart.c. Anything in the mailcap file that starts with TEXT/... or MESSAGE/... will be ignored because there are hard-coded interpretations in Pine for them. I now use application/x-pgp and can get on with handling the next problem now ;-). As a matter of interest: is it a feature or a bug that users cannot define their own subtypes for the types TEXT and MESSAGE? Steve -------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Winnall, Oq9, Credit Suisse, CH-8070 Zurich E-Mail: stephen.winnall@ska.com X.400: C=ch; A=arcom; P=csh; O=cs; S=winnall; G=stephen Tel: (int) +41 1 332 4467 (CH) 01/332 4467 -------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 02:30:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15109; Sat, 3 Dec 94 02:30:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22359; Sat, 3 Dec 94 02:23:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22353; Sat, 3 Dec 94 02:23:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDrKM-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 02:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: windigo@thepoint.com (Windigo The Feral) Subject: Re: PINE for DG-UX? Date: 3 Dec 1994 00:30:39 -0500 Message-Id: <3bovpv$p7c@thepoint.com> References: Status: O X-Status: dstaley@amanda.dorsai.org (Dennis Staley) writes: :Greetings; : Can anyone tell me the version of pine that has been ported to :Data General? Also, is there a special version of pico (etc) that we :also have to use? If you can also tell us where to ftp the proper files :from it would be much appreciated. :Thank you in advance Ah....finally, someone else using DG/UX. :) OK, the version of Pine that's set up on The Point is Pine 3.89, and the version of pico needed is UW Pico (tm) 2.3. I've no idea where to get pico, but Pine can be found at pine.cac.washington.edu. Good luck, -- -Windigo The Feral (NYAR!) -- Home Sec., aka Dobe Warrior Artemis--KtT, CCA--St., COB, COTABI--The 2000AD Mailinglist is now OPEN! Send mail to mailserv@thepoint.com saying "sub thrillpower" (your address) in body to subscribe...FTP archive at ftp.thepoint.com, dir /pub/text/thrillpower/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 07:35:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21401; Sat, 3 Dec 94 07:35:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23316; Sat, 3 Dec 94 07:24:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23310; Sat, 3 Dec 94 07:24:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDw5E-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 07:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Peter Scott Subject: fcc problem in VMS Pine Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 09:05:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I can define a folder name in the fcc field in VMS Pine. The messages are saved OK, but they have no subjects! Any theories? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 09:34:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23443; Sat, 3 Dec 94 09:34:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27603; Sat, 3 Dec 94 09:24:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27597; Sat, 3 Dec 94 09:24:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDxtI-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 09:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zxmmq04@aix09.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Stefan Bechtold) Subject: Folder question Date: 2 Dec 1994 18:34:40 GMT Message-Id: <3bnpc0$cgj@newsserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> Status: O X-Status: Hi! I've a question regarding Pine and its folder handling. I want to save the EMail correspondence with several people in several different folders, i.e. every mail I send to a specific persons should be automaticially saved in a specific folder and every mail I receive from this person should be saved in the same folder. Can this be done automatically by pine? Thank you for any information, Stefan -- ++++ Stefan Bechtold ++++ stefan.bechtold@student.uni-tuebingen.de ++++ ++++++++++sed nemo potuit tangere: merda fuit! (Martial III 17)+++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 11:20:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25509; Sat, 3 Dec 94 11:20:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25994; Sat, 3 Dec 94 11:09:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25988; Sat, 3 Dec 94 11:09:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDzXo-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 10:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pall@cs.ait.ac.th (Mano Pallewatta) Subject: Re: Problem with local Unix mail and network Date: 3 Dec 1994 12:25:54 GMT Message-Id: <3bpo4i$su@cs5.cs.ait.ac.th> References: Status: O X-Status: Randy Kreuziger (randy@uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) wrote: : We jusk got PINE on our system and i'd like to use it as a replacement : for the Unix mail command but I'm having a problem sending mail to : other local users. We have a network of 6 Sun Sparcs, one of them : acting as a mail server to the others. When I try and send email : to a local user the PINE program appends the hostname to the mail so : that email to 'kreuzrsk' becomes 'kreuzrsk@gandalf'. This always : bounces back! Email send to the user at the domainname works with : PINE. Sendmail at the mail host should be configured to accept mail for all the hosts in the network. The local hosts should forward all the mail to the hub. So you should configure sendmail.cf in the local hosts to do that. Or else you may set the smtp-server in .pinerc to point to the hub. -- +-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Mano Pallewatta | Internet: pall@cs.ait.ac.th | | Computer Science Program | | | Asian Institute of Technology | Phone: +66 2 524 5720 | | GPO Box 2754, Bangkok 10501 | Fax : +66 2 524 5721 | | Thailand. | | | | | +-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 12:08:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26435; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:08:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29597; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:05:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29577; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:05:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE0Po-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 11:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bradley@u.washington.edu (Scott Bradley) Subject: Re: help on setup aliases Date: Sat, 03 Dec 1994 11:41:43 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3aegvq$c0d@senior.nectec.or.th> Status: O X-Status: i missed the beginning of this thread that actually asked the question, but from this proposal is sounds like someone wanted to make a mailing list of sorts. have your root create an /etc/aliases entry that defines an :include: file that you can edit without being root. that way you are not creating a new account, do not have to mess with .forward files, and do not have to be root to maintain the list. In article , fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu wrote: > >>>>> "Y" == Ye Tun writes: > > Y> : XJ If you are root, then put that list inside the aliases > Y> file. otherwise, make the .forward file in one account and put > Y> all those name, and mail to that account. > > Y> Anyone with better idea? > > I don't have a better idea, but if you are going to create another > account, you'll probably need root anyway. > === Al -- Scott Bradley University of Washington bradley@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 12:33:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27018; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:33:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26994; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:30:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26986; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:30:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE0oG-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mueed Ahmad Subject: Tracing a message in Pine? Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 09:13:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does pine have an option to trace an outgoing message? By tracing, I mean having the mail program tell me the major nodes a message goes through as it travels to its destination. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mueed Ahmad mahmad@vinson.ecn.uoknor.edu The University of Oklahoma mueed.ahmad@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu Norman, Oklahoma USA #1 FAN -> Redskins, Rockets, Sooners From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 13:03:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27691; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:03:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00398; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:00:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00392; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:00:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE1G4-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chris@westnet.westnet.com (Christopher X. Candreva) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 3 Dec 1994 15:29:25 -0500 Message-Id: <3bqkf5$10r@westnet.westnet.com> References: Status: O X-Status: Dieter Simader (dsimader@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote: : I doubt that there will be a flud of DOS, Windows or whatever users : switching to OS/2. : OS/2 has its limitations . . . As opposed to DOS ? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 13:19:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28058; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:19:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27654; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:15:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27648; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:15:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE1X0-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mirsev@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx (Serguei Miridonov) Subject: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 3 Dec 1994 12:58:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> Status: O X-Status: Hi! Does anybody know if pine can be used to send/receive plain text messages with characters above 128 in code table? When I type text with these characters, pine always converts it into unreadable MIME format. Everything is OK if such a message is delivered to recipient which is also using pine or other mail reader with MIME capabilities. But there are lot of people who don't even know about MIME or they don't use it by some reason. Actually I'm talking about users from Russia, Ukraine, etc. Many of them have already experienced with such an unreadable mail. Is there any way to avoid this incompatibility and to make pine to send plain text with characters >= 128 ? BTW there is standard de facto for Latin/Russian character set: koi8-r Serguei Miridonov Ensenada B.C., Mexico. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:23:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00396; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:23:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29054; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:16:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29048; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:16:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE2sf-00000LC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 14:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Tracing a message in Pine? Date: 3 Dec 1994 15:05:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3bqq2i$6om@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Mueed Ahmad wrote: : :Does pine have an option to trace an outgoing message? By tracing, I mean :having the mail program tell me the major nodes a message goes through :as it travels to its destination. You don't say what type of system you're dealing with so I'll assume it's a UNIX system on the Internet. Short answer: No. Longer discursive answer: On UNIX systems Pine usually hands off the message to sendmail(8) to do the real work of sending it. Sendmail will add "Received" headers to the message as it travels to its destination, so the recipient can get an idea of the path by which the message arrived. Usually though that's completely uninteresting data, unless you're a postmaster trying to sort out a mail problem. Then those headers are invaluable. (Unfortunately I speak from experience.) Pine doesn't normally show you those headers unless you ask to see them by turning on 'Full Header Mode'. >From the sender's viewpoint, though, sendmail simply makes an SMTP connection to the recipient's system, with no particular notion of passing through "major nodes" along the way. If you want to see the actual network path that will be taken then you can try using the 'traceroute' program, though since routing on the Internet can change dynamically there's no guarantee your email message will follow the path traceroute showed you. And email addresses don't necessarily correspond to physical machines, so it could take some additional sleuthing with DNS tools like nslookup(8) to figure out where email really is destined. Fortunately from a user's point of view you almost never need worry about the path taken, any more than you need worry about the path a letter takes after you drop it in a mailbox. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:32:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00578; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:32:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29046; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:16:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29040; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:16:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE2bm-00000JC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 14:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: KevinSinclair@Computer.com Subject: Password-Protected folders Date: 3 Dec 1994 21:51:59 GMT Message-Id: <3bqp9v$89i@hustle.rahul.net> Status: O X-Status: I use Pine to read my mail. I would like to have a mail reader with password-protected folders. That way, several people can share an account, yet their mail can be automatically sorted into folders (I know how to do this), and still be private mail. Our school has such an account that allows it to be shared. How can I do password-protected folders? Thanks, kevin -- Kevin Virtual: Kevin@Computer.com Physical: San Carlos, CA USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:35:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00741; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:35:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02195; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:28:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02189; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:28:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE3aA-000008C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) Date: 3 Dec 1994 21:23:25 GMT Message-Id: <3bqnkd$3t9@news.halcyon.com> References: <3bocvl$g3r@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) writes: >; T A tcp-group But won't that do a full text search of the folder (since A means "All Text")? For a big folder it would be *much* more efficient to search only the To and Cc lines. It would be nice if you could just search the headers, e.g., by typing: ;THtcp-group >PS: However the 'macro' idea isin't that bad at all. Infact what will be > more kewl is if i can define 'macros' in pico(a la vi keymaps). Yes, yes! Macros and key remapping in Pine and Pico would be great. -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:46:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01077; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:46:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02477; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:43:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02469; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:43:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE3mU-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 3 Dec 1994 15:35:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> Status: O X-Status: In article <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx>, Serguei Miridonov wrote: : :Does anybody know if pine can be used to send/receive plain text :messages with characters above 128 in code table? You may think MIME encoding is a bother, and want to work around it, but it may be your best chance to get 8-bit data intact in email from Mexico to Russia. I'd be surprised if you have an 8-bit-clean email path between Mexico and Russia! If you send 8-bit data over channels that only can handle 7-bit data then your recipients won't see your message intact. MIME is a safe, standard way to send 8-bit data across 7-bit email channels. If you get a copy of the comp.mail.mime Frequently Asked Questions file (available via anonymous ftp from rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/comp.mail.mime, or check the comp.mail.mime or news.answers newsgroups) then it will explain this in detail. It also will list the various MIME decoders besides Pine your recipients could use. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:57:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01373; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:57:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29493; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:43:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29487; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:43:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE3mb-00000DC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Password-Protected folders Date: 3 Dec 1994 15:59:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3bqt8v$6tf@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3bqp9v$89i@hustle.rahul.net> Status: O X-Status: In article <3bqp9v$89i@hustle.rahul.net>, wrote: :I use Pine to read my mail. I would like to have a mail reader with :password-protected folders. That way, several people can share an :account, yet their mail can be automatically sorted into folders (I know :how to do this), and still be private mail. Our school has such an :account that allows it to be shared. Yow. Shared accounts and private email go together like jogging and nitroglycerin. (The security implications of shared accounts are usually explosive, too.) : :How can I do password-protected folders? In Pine, I guess you could try hacking folder password protection into the source code. Since UNIX doesn't have the concept of password-protected files you'd have a bit of work to do. But how would you keep the account sharers from bypassing the password inside Pine simply by reading the disk file? You've lost all the usefulness of UNIX file protections by sharing the account! Outside of Pine, if you're using something like deliver or procmail to send mail to separate folders (how do you distinguish what goes in which folder?) then you could try encrypting the message with a per-folder key when you write it out to the folder. Then to read it inside Pine, hack in a decryption thing that prompts for the key. (While you're at it, make it a general folder-processing module so that you could substitute uncompressing for decryption.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 16:18:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02116; Sat, 3 Dec 94 16:18:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29980; Sat, 3 Dec 94 16:16:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29974; Sat, 3 Dec 94 16:16:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE4FR-00000OC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kreel@tiger.olivet.edu (Keith Reel) Subject: Printing to attached ANSI Printer Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:05:30 +1000 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: When we originally started using Pine last year, the 'y' option worked great for printing to a printer attached to a workstation. However, somewhere along the line, the configuration has been changed so that now whenever we print E-mail from Pine it prints the first page correctly but all subsequent pages print in very small print. It seems as though some control character is being passed to the printer after the first page is printed that causes this. Has anyone out there experienced this, and do you know of anyway to fix it? Thanks in advance Keith kreel@olivet.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 19:04:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05981; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:04:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04979; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:00:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04973; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:00:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE6vu-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 18:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: randy@leif.ucs.mun.ca (Randy Dodge, Tech Support Manager C&C) Subject: Re: Pine-3.91 first beta test for VMS Date: 3 Dec 94 23:02:56 -0330 Message-Id: <1994Dec3.230256.1@leif> References: <1994Dec1.212338.543@vms.huji.ac.il> Status: O X-Status: In article <1994Dec1.212338.543@vms.huji.ac.il>, yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) writes: > Pine 3.91 first beta release for VMS (VAX and AXP) is available from > VMS.HUJI.AC.IL:/Local/Pine_3_91_beta_1.ZIP (use binary mode...). > This version does not support message postponing nor FCC can be used. > IMAPD is not available yet - use the one from the 3.89 release found at the > same place. > The README file is in [.CONTRIB.VMS] directory. The package contains the > procedures to compile and the objects. If you want only to relink look at the > bottom of [.PINE]VMSBUILD.COM and link it manually. > This version does not have Hebrew support. > Good luck, __Yehavi: Installation problem - module os_vms.c refers to a routine get_local_host_name which seems to have gone missing in the current code. I cut the code from the v 3.89 source and pasted it into [c-client]tcp_vmsl.c and rebuilt to fix the unresolved reference. My setup is VMS (5.5-2), UCX(3.1) and NETLIB (V 1.7) -- Randy Dodge, Manager Technical Support Group, Computing & Communications Memorial University, St. John's, Newfoundland Canada randy@kean.ucs.mun.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 20:04:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07133; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:04:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03155; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:01:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03149; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:01:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE7pN-00000IC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: givers@badlands.NoDak.edu (David R Givers) Subject: Re: corrupted mail box Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 03:15:56 GMT References: Status: O X-Status: David R. Beam (davebeam@interaccess.com) wrote: : My wife has had trouble with her mail box being corrupted basically every : time she opens it (using Pine). I have a similar problem but it is sporadic or not related to any event that I am aware of. I t does not happen every time. Just once or twice a month. : Necessary fix seems to be using an editor to get down to a line that : begins with "From..." That's news to me. Not that you are wrong. just have not hard about that, but obviously there is some thing wrong somewhere that need fixing. : But, why does this happen so often? I don't think it is anything she is : doing, but the sysop doesn't seem to know what is happening, either. Same story here for me. The syssops say it has nothing to do with their system. I thought I was the only quirk in the electronic universe. : Help appreciated. Sorry i can not help but help appreciated here too : DRB DRG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 20:14:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07310; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:14:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05843; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:12:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05837; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:12:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE823-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Saving News to Pine Folders Via NN Date: 3 Dec 1994 22:34:01 GMT Message-Id: <3bqrop$5vq@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: tommyc@kaiwan.kaiwan.com (Tom Collins) writes: >Normally I read news using NN and when I find an item I want to save, I >save it in my mail directory to deal with later, using Pine. >Only, I was recently on another system and discovered that any item on >that system that I saved in this way later showed up, under Pine, as "not >a folder." To read NN folders from Pine set these variables in your NN ~/.nn/init file: set mail-format on set folder ~/mail set mail-record ~/mail/mailed-messages set news-record ~/mail/posted-messages Of course you can name the last two folders whatever you like. news.software.nn and comp.mail.pine are good places to discuss NN and Pine. Hope this helps, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 20:27:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07490; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:27:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03431; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:25:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from feenix.metronet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03425; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:25:10 -0800 Received: by metronet.com id AA20566 (5.67a/IDA1.5hp for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:22:23 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:22:22 -0600 (CST) From: prplhaze To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: mail quote format Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hi all, have pine 3.90; how does one change the mail quote format. currently reply with on date name wrote: i didn't see a reference to this in .pinerc or config menu. is there a line or option i can write to the .pinerc file to change this? i've noticed the newsreader tin has a configurable option for mail reply and it works through pine so i guess there is a way to do this but i'm not sure of command line syntax. thanks for any info joe prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from the other side |so can you tell me please..............who won From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 21:32:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08489; Sat, 3 Dec 94 21:32:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06639; Sat, 3 Dec 94 21:28:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06633; Sat, 3 Dec 94 21:28:52 -0800 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA14141 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:28:47 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA45664; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:28:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:28:40 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Folder Lock Suggestion Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'd like to make a suggestion concerning the way pine makes itself read-only when another pine session is opened at the same time. Have an option that lets the user decide to either make both pines read-only, the original instance of pine, or the new instance of pine. With the default configuration being to lock up both, or the original. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 23:28:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10671; Sat, 3 Dec 94 23:28:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05548; Sat, 3 Dec 94 23:25:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05542; Sat, 3 Dec 94 23:25:23 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07420; Sat, 3 Dec 94 23:25:20 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 23:25:16 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David R Givers Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: corrupted mail box In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: David and David: This message usually means that Pine didn't recognize the first line of the file as a valid message delimiter line (e.g. "From ...") This can either mean that Pine is not recognizing a valid format (in which case we need to know about it), or another process (e.g. the mail delivery process) is not writing the file correctly. This last case would be most noticeable if the INBOX was normally kept empty. File locking problems, or an undiscovered --but very subtle-- Pine bug in rewriting the mailbox are other possibilities. (I say subtle because in over four years of intensive Pine use, I've never encountered the error myself.) DRB: what do you find in the file before the valid "From " line? Perhaps the following would help track down the culprit: after exiting Pine (in a session where the inbox was opened successfully) make a copy of the inbox. Then just before starting Pine the next day, make another copy and do a diff. If when starting Pine, the error occurs, quit and make yet a third copy. That way you can both determine whether Pine is the cause of whatever it is complaining about, and exactly what the bogus data looks like. Everyone: if this happens to you, send the first few lines of the file to "pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu" so we can determine if there is any pattern. It would be nice to get to the bottom of this problem. Thanks. -teg On Sun, 4 Dec 1994, David R Givers wrote: > David R. Beam (davebeam@interaccess.com) wrote: > : My wife has had trouble with her mail box being corrupted basically every > : time she opens it (using Pine). > > I have a similar problem but it is sporadic or not related to any event > that I am aware of. I t does not happen every time. Just once or twice > a month. > > : Necessary fix seems to be using an editor to get down to a line that > : begins with "From..." > > That's news to me. Not that you are wrong. just have not hard about > that, but obviously there is some thing wrong somewhere that need fixing. > > : But, why does this happen so often? I don't think it is anything she is > : doing, but the sysop doesn't seem to know what is happening, either. > > Same story here for me. The syssops say it has nothing to do with their > system. I thought I was the only quirk in the electronic universe. > > : Help appreciated. > Sorry i can not help but help appreciated here too > > : DRB > DRG > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 02:26:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14388; Sun, 4 Dec 94 02:26:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07759; Sun, 4 Dec 94 02:24:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07753; Sun, 4 Dec 94 02:24:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEDkw-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 02:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 01:46:48 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bmatd$no6@tardis.au.mdis.com> Status: O X-Status: Yup, ipop3d is quite capable of stealing the read/write token away from Pine. It's a feature. The only advice I can give is ``don't use POP when you're using Pine''. There is no workaround when using POP. The POP3 specification is quite emphatic about having exclusive access to the mail box file. If all you want is a periodic probe for new mail, you can use an IMAP connection to the server instead of POP (this assumes you have the source code for your PC-based probing software). Use the IMAP EXAMINE command instead of the normal SELECT, and it won't steal the read/write token away from any Pines that have it open. -- Mark -- On 2 Dec 1994, Tony Lorimer wrote: > > Hi All Pine Users, > > Has anyone had the following problem: > > I am currently using the ipop3d server to service all my PC users on our > network. Some users use the PC mail packages only to detect whether new > mail has arrived and then go into PINE on our UNIX system to read their mail. > My problem is that when they fire up PINE after a few minutes they get the > error message: > "Another Pine accessing your INBOX. Session chnaged to read only." > > Now I know for sure that it is the ipop3d server setting the lock on the > users mailbox. > > My PINE version is 3.91 > > Has anyone else had this problem ????. > Is this a bug/feature with the interaction of PINE and ipop3d ???. > > Please _HELP_ > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tony Lorimer (tlorimer@au.mdis.com) Phone: +612 4365700 > MDIS - McDonnell Information Systems Pty Ltd Fax : +612 4392439 > Sydney Australia Voice: +612 4365751 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 07:53:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20585; Sun, 4 Dec 94 07:53:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14011; Sun, 4 Dec 94 07:49:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14005; Sun, 4 Dec 94 07:49:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEIou-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 07:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) Date: 4 Dec 1994 15:12:33 GMT Message-Id: <3bsm91$f7j@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3bocvl$g3r@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <3bqnkd$3t9@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mz. Nancy McGough with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 3 Dec 1994 21:23:25 GMT: + >; T A tcp-group + But won't that do a full text search of the folder (since A means + "All Text")? For a big folder it would be *much* more efficient to + search only the To and Cc lines. It would be nice if you could + just search the headers, e.g., by typing: ;THtcp-group Yes and that's the kewl thing about it. You don't have to do the selection twice. Imagine you do the selection for the To: headers and then if you want to select the Cc: headers too, you will *have* to use Broaden/Narrow selction method which is a pain. Instead if you do ;TA and then type 'nancym' it will select all the mail which has headers equal to that value either in To: or Cc: at the same time. The only problem with this is that it will select a mail if it has nancym in its body, even if the headers of that mail don't match. So in order to make the search criteria extensive/stringent you would type the whole address 'nancym@ii.com', and this will result in an appropriate selection. > For a big folder it would be *much* more efficient to search only the > To and Cc lines. Yes, I agree with that. But the current versions don't support that yet. So instead of doing Broaden/Narrow Selection method, ;TA method works for me. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 08:34:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21198; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:34:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12148; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:31:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12142; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:31:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEJOx-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Problem with local Unix mail and network Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:53:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Randy, This usually means that your /etc/hosts file lists the "short" name (i.e. gandalf) before the fully qualified name... However, you can set the user-domain variable in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to whatever domain you wish Pine to use. -teg On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Randy Kreuziger wrote: > > We jusk got PINE on our system and i'd like to use it as a replacement > for the Unix mail command but I'm having a problem sending mail to > other local users. We have a network of 6 Sun Sparcs, one of them > acting as a mail server to the others. When I try and send email > to a local user the PINE program appends the hostname to the mail so > that email to 'kreuzrsk' becomes 'kreuzrsk@gandalf'. This always > bounces back! Email send to the user at the domainname works with > PINE. > > Any ideas? Mail comes back with an error 554 whatever that is. At > least with the Unix mail command I can sned local mail even if I can't > stand it for reading email. > > I'm no longer at this internet address so please send suggestions to > kreuzrsk@dfw.wa.gov thanks. > > randy kreuziger > Washing Dept. of Fish and Wildlife > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 08:53:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21497; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:53:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14691; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:50:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14685; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:50:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEJjZ-00000IC; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: KevinSinclair@Computer.com Subject: Re: Password-Protected folders Date: 4 Dec 1994 16:24:01 GMT Message-Id: <3bsqf1$kvb@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3bqp9v$89i@hustle.rahul.net> <3bqt8v$6tf@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Status: O X-Status: : In Pine, I guess you could try hacking folder password protection into : the source code. Since UNIX doesn't have the concept of : password-protected files you'd have a bit of work to do. But how : would you keep the account sharers from bypassing the password inside : Pine simply by reading the disk file? You've lost all the usefulness : of UNIX file protections by sharing the account! The account is a school account. Teachers and students use the same account, all off of 1 machine. They use only Pine and IRC. They are unlikely to do much else, although in the future they will do gopher and we will have an IP account to do WEB stuff. They don't access the files directly, and are unlikely to become unix experts in any way. They just want to send and receive email. I want to give at least the 'appearance' of protected folders. It does not have to be a perfect solution. I am not a unix programmer. But what might work is this: a menu, like this: Choose Option ------------- 1. IRC 2. Email And if they choose #2, they get asked their mailname and password; and then I put them right into their own folder in Pine. In the script making up the menu, I can move the folders in and out of the ~/mail directory, so that in the folder list screen of Pine they see only the inbox, sent-mail, and their own folder. I don't know how to make a script that could do this menu, and I don't know how to store the passwords and the usernames somewhere. There must be other people who have done menu's on unix. Can someone help me? Thanks, kevin KevinSinclair@Computer.com -- Kevin Virtual: Kevin@Computer.com Physical: San Carlos, CA USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 09:42:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22346; Sun, 4 Dec 94 09:42:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12881; Sun, 4 Dec 94 09:40:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12875; Sun, 4 Dec 94 09:40:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEKV8-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 09:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: larvi@ida.liu.se (Lars Viklund) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing In-Reply-To: tonyl@au.mdis.com's message of 2 Dec 1994 05: 21:49 GMT Message-Id: References: <3bmatd$no6@tardis.au.mdis.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 17:01:32 GMT Status: O X-Status: A related question: I use pine for reading mail (using IMAP) both at work and from home (over a dialup PPP connection). Normally I leave pine running on my workstation at work and when I access my mailbox from home the IMAP server will steal the lock (and the pine running at work will have the mailbox open read-only). All this is fine, but when I come back to work I would like to reopen my mailbox read/write without having to restart pine. Is this possible? -- Lars Viklund | Email: lvi@ida.liu.se Programming Environments Laboratory | Phone: +46 13282689 Department of Computer and Information Science | Fax : +46 13282666 Linkoping University, S-581 83 LINKOPING, SWEDEN | Telex: 50966 UNILIN S From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 14:47:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27983; Sun, 4 Dec 94 14:47:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18881; Sun, 4 Dec 94 14:40:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18875; Sun, 4 Dec 94 14:40:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEPFj-000006C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 14:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vman@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Kangaroo Boy) Subject: Pine 3.91 ate my mail Date: 4 Dec 1994 22:08:09 GMT Message-Id: <3btek9$mbi@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Status: O X-Status: Forgive me is this has been discussed before but I just discovered this group..... Yesterday when I went into pine 3.91 which I've been using flawlessly for the last few months my inbox said it contained 0 items rather than the 18 which have been in it for the past few weeks. Any idea what happened to my mail and is there a way to retrieve it? I use Pine 3.91 and this has happened once before...I'm checking my mail daily. Helpppppp kb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 16:43:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00389; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:43:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17843; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:36:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17835; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:36:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rER3z-000006C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:55:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: At the present time, it is not possible to reopen your INBOX read/write without restarting Pine. It is technically possible and the low-level calls to do it are straightforward. It's just a matter of building a user interface to do this. I'm not the user interface designer; I do the low-level stuff. Here is my understanding of what's going on, but don't take this as gospel: The problem with adding a command to do this is that such a command would pretty much do all of the work of exiting and restarting Pine. Since Pine is running short of single-letter commands, do we really want to spend one of the last available characters to do something you can do with the 6 character sequence qpine? On Sun, 4 Dec 1994, Lars Viklund wrote: > A related question: I use pine for reading mail (using IMAP) both at work > and from home (over a dialup PPP connection). Normally I leave pine running > on my workstation at work and when I access my mailbox from home the IMAP > server will steal the lock (and the pine running at work will have the > mailbox open read-only). All this is fine, but when I come back to work I > would like to reopen my mailbox read/write without having to restart pine. > Is this possible? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 16:51:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00502; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:51:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20555; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:46:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20549; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:46:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rERC0-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 ate my mail Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 16:04:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3btek9$mbi@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Status: O X-Status: I have recently discovered a misfeature in the low-level code of Pine. Pine dynamically selects what routines to use for reading your mail based upon the observed format of your mail. When you select a folder by its file name, it will try all possible formats of mail and failing these will finally fall through to a default "file" format which treats the entire file as one big message. INBOX is handled differently. Ultimately, INBOX is your mail in /usr/spool/mail. This file may be empty, or it may not exist at all. But this does not mean that you don't have an INBOX; you *always* have an INBOX. It just means that it falls through to a default handler that waits for an INBOX file to exist with valid mail data. The "file" format does not respond to INBOX requests. Here lies the misfeature. If you have a /usr/spool/mail file, but the file is not in any valid mail format, it is treated as if the file is empty! This shouldn't cause any loss of data, since the file shouldn't ever get rewritten. However, what the user sees is an apparently empty INBOX instead of getting an error message that something is wrong with the INBOX. This problem will be fixed in Pine 3.92. You should ask your local system administrators (or some other local expert) to look at your mail file and see if there is something wrong with it. We would appreciate being told what forms of invalid format mail files are appearing, so please ask your expert to tell us what they found after they fixed your mail file. -- Mark -- On 4 Dec 1994, Kangaroo Boy wrote: > Yesterday when I went into pine 3.91 which I've been using flawlessly for > the last few months my inbox said it contained 0 items rather than the 18 > which have been in it for the past few weeks. Any idea what happened to > my mail and is there a way to retrieve it? I use Pine 3.91 and this has > happened once before...I'm checking my mail daily. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 17:31:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01285; Sun, 4 Dec 94 17:31:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18464; Sun, 4 Dec 94 17:26:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18458; Sun, 4 Dec 94 17:26:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rERoA-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 17:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX Date: 5 Dec 94 00:54:53 GMT Message-Id: References: <3bo74p$m44@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu () writes: >I figured out how to do it, though (like the Wizard of Oz) I'm not >sure how the damn thing works. 'pine -i' with no additional para- >meters fires up Pine and places me directly in INBOX. In the UNIX version you can specify a series of keystrokes in the .pinerc. >Don Pratt >Syracuse University -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 18:32:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02224; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:32:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21779; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:25:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from post1.INRE.ASU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21773; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:25:41 -0800 Received: from ecstest.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V4.2-13 #7723) id <01HK99AVMKY89GZDT4@asu.edu>; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 19:25:36 MST Received: from ecstest.asu.edu ([129.219.9.141]) by ecstest.asu.edu with SMTP id <113180>; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 19:25:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 1994 19:25:21 -0700 From: Shahjehan Khatri Subject: Userid in global Pine configuration file To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Greetings! We are thinking about making PC-Pine 3.91 available to our students. I tried setting userid=${USERID} in the global Pine configuration file in the hopes that Pine would pick use the USERID set upon login, but that did not work. : ( Can you offer any consolation? On a different matter, I had a really long note in the postponed mail folder (stored on a remote server). I pressed "C" to compose and selected it. Incidentally, I was using PC-Pine for Windows. Pine aborted the operation and I lost the message because, purportedly, I didn't have a remote folder open. This seems to be a "flaw" to me. Anyway, I am really happy with Pine 3.91 in general and PC-Pine for Windows in particular. The University of Washington should get the Presidential Medal of Honor! = ) -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 18:57:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02649; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:57:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22089; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:51:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22083; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:51:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rETAF-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ecmsf@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Mary S. Freeman) Subject: Re: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX Date: 5 Dec 1994 02:05:52 GMT Message-Id: <3btsi0$2pp@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> References: <3bo16g$jn5@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: : My site runs v3.89 (still!). When I fire up Pine, it puts me in the : main menu. Is there a way to configure Pine so that it drops me straight : into my INBOX? I tried the command `pine -i i', but Pine interpreted : this as an attempt to compose a message to someone with the userid 'i'. : Thanks for your help! : Don Pratt : Syracuse University Dear Don It is not safe to go directly to the inbox. There is a virus that is announced as Good News and should not be read. It should be deleted. Susan F. -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 19:28:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03318; Sun, 4 Dec 94 19:28:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19917; Sun, 4 Dec 94 19:21:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19911; Sun, 4 Dec 94 19:21:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rETan-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peng@pirates.cs.swt.edu (Wuxu Peng) Subject: # of lines Date: 5 Dec 1994 02:53:59 GMT Message-Id: <3btvc7$p0a@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Status: O X-Status: I am using elm currently. Recently I decided to have a look at pine. I compiled pine-3.91, and the interface appears attractive. However, there is no "Content-Length" field in emails sent through pine. Elm has such a field in the header. I briefly checked all the configuration parameters and couldn't find one that can turn on such a field. -- --wuxu peng (peng@pirates.cs.swt.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 21:04:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04959; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:04:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23795; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:01:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23789; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:01:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEV8R-000006C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brut@io.org (Jimmy) Subject: Auto delete read messages? Date: 4 Dec 1994 20:57:02 -0500 Message-Id: <3bts1e$9qp@ionews.io.org> Status: O X-Status: I'm trying to get pine to automatically delete my read messages (I use FCC to copy them to a received file) but can't seem to get pine to do so without always asking me for confirmation. I've checked the Setup config screen and the PINE FAQ, but still no luck. Is what I want possible? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 21:09:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05098; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:09:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21243; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:06:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21236; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:06:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEVDu-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 20:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: debraw@mcs.com (Debra Walker) Subject: Re: Windows Pine and SLIP/PPP Date: 4 Dec 1994 22:38:10 -0600 Message-Id: References: <3bfv22$jjh@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <3bfv22$jjh@news.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: > Is it possible to set Windows Pine up over a SLIP or PPP connection? > If so, do you have any words of wisdom for setting this up? Hello, Nancy. I am currently running PCPine 3.91 in Windows. I have a SLIP connection. I cannot think of anything special to tell you, except that you should be logged in first with whatever protocol that you are using. Then, run PCPine. That's it, as far as I can see. I hope this helps. Perhaps someone else can provide more details, if any. Debra From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 21:38:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05741; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:38:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21601; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:34:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21595; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:34:39 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Dec 94 13:30:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:30:58 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jimmy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Auto delete read messages? In-Reply-To: <3bts1e$9qp@ionews.io.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 4 Dec 1994, Jimmy wrote: > I'm trying to get pine to automatically delete my read messages (I use FCC > to copy them to a received file) but can't seem to get pine to do so without > always asking me for confirmation. I've checked the Setup config screen and > the PINE FAQ, but still no luck. Is what I want possible? Is what you want: expunge-without-confirm?? It is in the configuration menu. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 22:50:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06898; Sun, 4 Dec 94 22:50:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25104; Sun, 4 Dec 94 22:47:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25098; Sun, 4 Dec 94 22:47:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEWnU-00000AC; Sun, 4 Dec 94 22:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Debra Walker Subject: Mail Folders-Now you see them, now you don't.. Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 00:20:52 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello, everyone. I use PC-Pine 3.91 on my home PC, and, usually, I don't have many problems with it. But, in the last couple of days, some wierd things have happened. I loaded Pine to send/receive mail a couple of days ago, and I typed "L" (to list folders). I asked for the expanded list of mail folders, and, to my surprise, only INBOX appeared. I know that I have more folders, i.e. sentmail, readmail, etc. During that particular session, I had to create a new folder for sentmail, and one for readmail, I believe. Yesterday, when I again loaded Pine, all the mail folders appeared. Today, just a few minutes ago, I loaded Pine to send/receive mail, and only the INBOX appeared in the expanded list for mail. Does anyone else have this problem? If so, do you know the cause and/or the solution? Please e-mail me, with any ideas and/or suggestions? Thanks in advance. Debra ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Debra Walker debraw@mcs.com debra.walker@aquila.com Chicago, IL debra.walker@atoc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 02:12:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11093; Mon, 5 Dec 94 02:12:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25090; Mon, 5 Dec 94 02:06:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25084; Mon, 5 Dec 94 02:06:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEZzR-00000AC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 01:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: 5 Dec 1994 09:31:32 GMT Message-Id: <3bumlk$ocp@news.ysu.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) says: >At the present time, it is not possible to reopen your INBOX read/write >without restarting Pine. It is technically possible and the low-level >calls to do it are straightforward. It's just a matter of building a user >interface to do this. [...] >The problem with adding a command to do this is that such a command would >pretty much do all of the work of exiting and restarting Pine. Since Pine >is running short of single-letter commands, do we really want to spend one >of the last available characters to do something you can do with the 6 >character sequence qpine? My idea is that when a folder becomes read-only, those commands which require the folder to be open no longer have any effect. Specifically ``X'' for expunging messages. If the ``X'' command were to switch from its normal ``eXpunge'' meaning to that of attempting to reopen the folder, no more letters would be used, and there would be no need to exit Pine, especially for those of us who have established connections to folders all over... Similarly, ``X'' could try to re-open a folder which has become closed due to acces error, of which I shall write more in private. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 03:34:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12955; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:34:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28567; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:27:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Sun.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28561; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:27:01 -0800 Received: from snail.Sun.COM (snail-swanbb.West.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA19265; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:27:00 PST Received: from Finland.Sun.COM (sunfin.Finland.Sun.COM) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13474; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:26:58 PST Received: from myy.Finland.Sun.COM by Finland.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1e) id AA21433; Mon, 5 Dec 94 13:26:56 +0200 Received: from thot.Finland.Sun.COM by myy.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.0-sub(uk - sub)) id AA22192; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:26:55 +0200 Received: by thot.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02837; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:26:53 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:26:53 +0200 From: jaakko@Finland.Sun.COM (Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland) Message-Id: <9412051126.AA02837@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 732 Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone, I tried to find this in the FAQ-lists and mail archives with no success, so here goes.. Sun Mailtool uses the Content-Length header line to determine the actual lenght of an email. This is particularly useful when sending a mailfolder or email messages as an attachment, because they have lines beginning with From: that are really just part of the message, not the beginning of another. Pine doesn't seem to use the Content-Length line, it breaks messages with other messages as attachments to separate messages. Have I missed something obvious or is this an incompatibility between Sun Mailtool and Pine? RTFMs and pointers are welcome. Jaakko Salminen Technical Support Engineer Sun Microsystems Finland From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 04:42:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14808; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:42:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29698; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:35:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29692; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:35:37 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Dec 94 20:31:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 20:31:43 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length In-Reply-To: <9412051126.AA02837@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland wrote: > Sun Mailtool uses the Content-Length header line to determine > the actual lenght of an email. This is particularly useful when > sending a mailfolder or email messages as an attachment, because > they have lines beginning with From: that are really just > part of the message, not the beginning of another. > > Pine doesn't seem to use the Content-Length line, it breaks > messages with other messages as attachments to separate messages. > Have I missed something obvious or is this an incompatibility > between Sun Mailtool and Pine? > > RTFMs and pointers are welcome. I seem to have misplaced it....but Mark Crispin had an excellent piece on "horrors of Content-Length". Bottom line, it is not a reliable header. Much can happen to a message as it passes between MTAs that can have an effect on the actual length of a message. Can you imagine what would happen is an MTA converted CR into CR+LF and the Content-Length remained unchanged? The message: ...make sure you turn the power off may be displayed instead of what was actually received. ...make sure you turn the power off and then on after changing the switch setting. Failure to do so..... Just like there are lots of good reasons that pine doesn't use uuencode there are other good reasons why it doesn't use Content-Length: The *real* question you should be asking is...."Why does SUN insist on using Content-Length: headers? Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 04:54:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15169; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:54:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29868; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:47:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29860; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:47:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEcVm-00000BC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen Subject: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:02:23 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi Pine-people Can pine search for new newsgroups not currently listed ind the .newsrc file ? When using OTHER newstools than pine, I'm asked to subscribe to new newsgroups (if any) that currently was not listed in the .newsrc-file. If I don't subscribe, the new newsgroup is just added to my .newsrc as unsubscribed, but it is added. When using pine (3.91) as newsreader/tool, I don't think there is a possibillity to check if there is any new newsgroup not listed in the .newsrc-file, and in time, my .newsrc will therefore not be updated if I don't use other newstools. If I have missed somthing, and it IS possible please tell me how. If not I would like it implemented in next version. Regards from Finn in Denmark ----------------------------------- --------------------------------------- Name : Finn Hybjerg Hansen | Aalborg University Email : fhh@kom.auc.dk | Institute of Electronic Systems Phone : +45 98 15 85 22 | Department of Communication Technology Direct: +45 98 15 42 11 - 4807 | Fredrik Bajers Vej 7A (Room A1-203) Fax : +45 98 15 67 40 | 9000 Aalborg ,,, WWW : http://www-i8.auc.dk/~fhh/ | DENMARK (o o) ----------------------------------- ------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 05:23:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15973; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:23:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00375; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:17:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00369; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:17:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEcyL-00000CC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: buchang@CAM.ORG (Gordon H. Buchan) Subject: Re: Pine and Attached Files Date: 1 Dec 1994 01:14:40 -0500 Message-Id: <3bjpkg$485@ocean.CAM.ORG> References: <3bats5$5ck@news.sas.ab.ca> Status: O X-Status: jd3571@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () writes: >In this computer store they had a room set up for seminars and one of the >topics was the new Edmonton FreeNet that I belong to. >At the seminar someone asked if the program Pine scrambles a file >attached to an Email message. No one really knew if it does this on not. >It was one of those things that get you thinking. If you send an Email >message with an attached file to someone who does not have the Pine >program will it end up distorted? Pine uses MIME encoding to send binary attachments over SMTP. This means that your attachments will be understood by others using Pine, as well as Eudora on PCs and Macs. MIME has not been adopted widely. Most users can read attachments encoding using uuencoding, however. To send a binary attachment with uuencoding, you have to encode the file, then include the encoded text in the body of your message. The syntax for uuencoding is: uuencode filename.ext filename.ext > filename.uue -- ---- Gordon H. Buchan buchang@cam.org "My birth certificate says I'm 28, but my doctor says I'm 40." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 05:24:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16014; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:24:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27565; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:17:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27559; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:17:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEcyE-00000BC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: buchang@CAM.ORG (Gordon H. Buchan) Subject: Re: editing MIME attachements in reply - how? Date: 1 Dec 1994 01:09:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3bjpat$434@ocean.CAM.ORG> References: Status: O X-Status: csgoh@iti.gov.sg (Goh Cheng-Seng) writes: >Greetings, >I have been receiving SMTP mails from our VAX running TGV Multinet, >which send attachments in MIME format. When I try to reply to those mails >using Pine, the attachments disappear from the message body and I see >lines in the header's attachment entry indicating their presence. I would >like to include and edit those attachment in the message body. Can >someone tell me how to do that? >Thanks in advance! Look in your .pinerc file. Check if the include-attachment-in-reply field is enabled. >-- >Goh Cheng-Seng | Computer Information Systems Department >Email: csgoh@ncb.gov.sg | Singapore National Computer Board >Phone: (65)-772-0451 | 71 Science Park Drive >Fax : (65)-778-9641 | Singapore 0511 -- ---- Gordon H. Buchan buchang@cam.org "My birth certificate says I'm 28, but my doctor says I'm 40." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 05:49:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16531; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:49:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00804; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:44:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Sun.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00798; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:44:35 -0800 Received: from snail.Sun.COM (snail-swanbb.West.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA28113; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:44:18 PST Received: from Finland.Sun.COM (sunfin.Finland.Sun.COM) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17309; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:44:15 PST Received: from myy.Finland.Sun.COM by Finland.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1e) id AA21936; Mon, 5 Dec 94 15:44:13 +0200 Received: from thot.Finland.Sun.COM by myy.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.0-sub(uk - sub)) id AA24546; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:44:11 +0200 Received: by thot.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03600; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:44:09 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:44:09 +0200 From: jaakko@Finland.Sun.COM (Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland) Message-Id: <9412051344.AA03600@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 2299 Status: O X-Status: Ed, I guess I was asking for it.. :-) Yes, I realize that Content-Length is not a safe header, just like sending 8bit characters in email makes some MTAs puke. But Content-Length seems to work at least most of the time just fine, since other mailers like Elm and Mailtool have some error resilience built-in for cases when Content-Length is not correct. Looking at Elm source code, it is not even overly difficult to code. Pine looks really wonderful, but this "feature" makes it unusable for me. I guess I'll stick with Elm.. At the office I use Mailtool, but I need a tty-based mailer for dial-in connections. Jaakko Salminen (Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not for Sun Microsystems) On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko (egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: > >On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland wrote: > >> Sun Mailtool uses the Content-Length header line to determine >> the actual lenght of an email. This is particularly useful when >> sending a mailfolder or email messages as an attachment, because >> they have lines beginning with From: that are really just >> part of the message, not the beginning of another. >> >> Pine doesn't seem to use the Content-Length line, it breaks >> messages with other messages as attachments to separate messages. >> Have I missed something obvious or is this an incompatibility >> between Sun Mailtool and Pine? >> >> RTFMs and pointers are welcome. > > I seem to have misplaced it....but Mark Crispin had an excellent >piece on "horrors of Content-Length". > > Bottom line, it is not a reliable header. Much can happen to a >message as it passes between MTAs that can have an effect on the >actual length of a message. Can you imagine what would happen is an >MTA converted CR into CR+LF and the Content-Length remained unchanged? >The message: > > ...make sure you turn the power off > >may be displayed instead of what was actually received. > > ...make sure you turn the power off and then on after changing the > switch setting. Failure to do so..... > > Just like there are lots of good reasons that pine doesn't use >uuencode there are other good reasons why it doesn't use Content-Length: > > The *real* question you should be asking is...."Why does SUN >insist on using Content-Length: headers? > > > Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 06:11:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17011; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:11:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01017; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:00:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01011; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:00:11 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Dec 94 21:56:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:56:27 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length In-Reply-To: <9412051344.AA03600@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland wrote: > Pine looks really wonderful, but this "feature" makes it unusable > for me. I guess I'll stick with Elm.. At the office I use Mailtool, > but I need a tty-based mailer for dial-in connections. Actually, if you "fix" your final delivery process such that messages which contain lines in the body that start with "From " are escaped to read ">From " you will be able to use pine and that other UA I can't get my fingers to type. :-) I don't use any of Sun's mail programs....so I'm not familiar with them. However, it has been suggested that you may want to replace Sun's /bin/mail program with the delivery program "sendit" that can be found on ftp.cac.washington.edu. I'm not sure....but you may even be able to get away with changing the mailer flags in your sendmail.cf file and tell Suns's /bin/mail to do the right thing. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 06:34:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17531; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:34:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01400; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:29:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Sun.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01394; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:29:06 -0800 Received: from snail.Sun.COM (snail-swanbb.West.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AB02996; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:28:35 PST Received: from Finland.Sun.COM (sunfin.Finland.Sun.COM) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18903; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:28:32 PST Received: from myy.Finland.Sun.COM by Finland.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1e) id AA22069; Mon, 5 Dec 94 16:28:30 +0200 Received: from thot.Finland.Sun.COM by myy.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.0-sub(uk - sub)) id AA24917; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:28:28 +0200 Received: by thot.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03657; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:28:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:28:26 +0200 From: jaakko@Finland.Sun.COM (Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland) Message-Id: <9412051428.AA03657@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1208 Status: O X-Status: Ed, Hmm, why didn't I think of that.. I'll put E in the mailer flags in sendmail.cf, it should do the trick. Thanks, I'll be able to use Pine after all! Jaakko Salminen On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > > Actually, if you "fix" your final delivery process such that >messages which contain lines in the body that start with "From " are >escaped to read ">From " you will be able to use pine and that other >UA I can't get my fingers to type. :-) > > I don't use any of Sun's mail programs....so I'm not familiar >with them. However, it has been suggested that you may want to >replace Sun's /bin/mail program with the delivery program "sendit" >that can be found on ftp.cac.washington.edu. I'm not sure....but >you may even be able to get away with changing the mailer flags in >your sendmail.cf file and tell Suns's /bin/mail to do the right thing. > > Ed > >Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > Control Data Asia/Pacific Region >Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 >FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 07:53:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19404; Mon, 5 Dec 94 07:53:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29963; Mon, 5 Dec 94 07:47:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29957; Mon, 5 Dec 94 07:47:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEfM3-00000CC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 07:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. (fwd) Message-Id: References: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:14:28 GMT Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:18:38 GMT , Mike Cote (mcote@julian.uwo.ca) wrote: : This message was posted to the pine-info mailing list some time ago... : - Mike Cote : ---------- Forwarded message ---------- : Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:26:23 GMT : From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl : To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu : Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. ... : Pine can (I and others use the MH-folder format with Pine for some time : now). : > I have set the #mh infront of the folder in .pinerc. : Some excerpts from my .pinerc: : # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox : # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). : inbox-path=#mh/inbox What's the performance like? I prefer MH (exmh really) but if pine will act as a tty based MUA that's fine. Thanks -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 51 794-3735 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 51 794-3759 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 11:33:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00503; Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:33:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08603; Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:26:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08597; Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:26:57 -0800 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #2001) id <01HKA6VD4NGW95MMGT@INNOSOFT.COM>; Mon, 05 Dec 1994 11:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 11:26:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: fcc problem in VMS Pine In-Reply-To: To: Peter Scott Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 3 Dec 1994, Peter Scott wrote: > I can define a folder name in the fcc field in VMS Pine. The messages are > saved OK, but they have no subjects! Any theories? > I assume you are using PMDF's Pine. The fcc in 3.89 does not put in subject or a proper From field. This will be corrected in the next version 3.91. /portia portia@innosoft.com Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 14:22:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08340; Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:22:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12478; Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:15:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12472; Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:15:29 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24532; Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:15:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: >... > I don't use any of Sun's mail programs....so I'm not familiar > with them. However, it has been suggested that you may want to > replace Sun's /bin/mail program with the delivery program "sendit" > that can be found on ftp.cac.washington.edu. I'm not sure....but >... Sendit is just the delivery program we use on many systems at the Univ. of Washington. You may be better off getting one of the more well-known programs which has been tuned for portability. Procmail and deliver are two that come to mind. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 22:41:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23817; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:41:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21532; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:38:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21526; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:38:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEtGU-00000PC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 6 Dec 1994 06:06:17 GMT Message-Id: <3c0v0p$qot@news.ysu.edu> References: <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, mirsev@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx (Serguei Miridonov) says: >I understand that sending 8-bit data in MIME >format is more safe, but I also think that plain 8-bit text will be used >in Russian e-mail for a long time. Actually, MIME permits you to send 8-bit characters in one of three possibilities -- BASE64, which would be useful where the majority of the text is composed of non-ASCII characters, like Russian, or QUOTED- PRINTABLE, which is usually used when only a few characters are non-ASCII, as in German, French, and so on. Pine3.91 uses both of these. There is a third possibility, which Pine3.92 will support, which is 8BIT, which actually sends 8-bit data, but only if Pine can guarantee from the receiving MTA that the 8-bit data will not get lost. At present only a limited number of mailers support this 8BITMIME ESMTP capability (and not all of them do perfectly, which will be the subject of an upcoming message); however, I would guess that the number of mailers which do support this will increase quite rapidly, since Eric Allman has made a post to comp.mail.sendmail yesterday to outline the changes upcoming in BSD Sendmail v8.7, which include 8BITMIME support. I would guess that Pine3.92 will be released about the same time, or shortly before, a stable release of 8.7 appears, but that's only a guess. >: I'd be surprised if you have an 8-bit-clean email >: path between Mexico and Russia! > >OK! Surprise!!! I have an 8-bit-clean email path between Mexico and >Russia! Why not? TCP/IP is 8-bit transparent and SMTP agents on my host >and in Russia are 8-bit clean too. Moreover, even if some tcp/ip links >are broken there are email relays in EUnet which are also 8-bit clean. The problem is not that a TCP/IP link would not be 8-bit clean, but that some intermediate mailer, or the originating or receiving mailer, would strip the data to 7 bits, or less likely, gag on the 8-bit data. Luckily, much e-mail can be sent directly from one machine to another, or is handled by only one additional machine, making it quite possible to send 8-bit data from one site to an obscure remote one and not have the 8-bit data lost, giving the immediacy most of us have come to expect of e-mail. While probably a majority of non-US sites might have 8-bit-clean MTAs (the sendmail program which passes the mail from one machine to another), there are still those which can be found which will lose your 8-bit data. You may find a reasonably high occurrence of 8-bit-clean mailers outside the US because of the need for people there to use 8-bit data in their mail, and there are a good number of US sites which are 8-bit clean as well, due to the widespread adoption of BSD sendmail v8.6.9, whose default configuration is to pass 8-bit data. >Anyway I think that it would be good >idea to preserve any old standard in new programs. It may surprise you to learn that the only standard relating to mail on the Internet specifically forbids sending anything beyond ASCII text. Unfortunately, this standard was written way back when it was not felt there would be a need to support anything beyond ASCII, and some machines would not even handle octets of bits as bytes. Unfortunately, because this *is* the standard, everything must comply with it or an extension. Thus, strictly speaking, these JustSend8 mailers are in violation of RFC822. If I could remember the number of the RFC which refers to the 8BITMIME ESMTP option, I'd refer you to it, but by using Pine3.92 and up and an MTA which supports 8BITMIME, you will be able to send pure 8-bit text with the guarantee it will not get stripped to 7 bits. My gut feeling is that those sites which have adopted JustSend8 MTAs will quickly upgrade to 8BITMIME capable ones to take advantage of this. Remember that just because something is widely used does not make it a standard. You will not be able to send me 8-bit mail at the address from which I post this, unless it arrives with MIME transport, so you cannot say it is a standard to send 8-bit text. I can receive 8BITMIME mail at the address in the Reply-To: field. I'll hold off on further discussion of this until I compose my post concerning Pine3.92's 8BITMIME support. PLEASE NOTE that Pine3.92 has *NOT* been released yet so don't ask where to find it. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 23:45:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25312; Mon, 5 Dec 94 23:45:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20043; Mon, 5 Dec 94 23:42:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20037; Mon, 5 Dec 94 23:42:10 -0800 Received: from elaine.teleport.com (bsherman@elaine.teleport.com [192.108.254.13]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA18896 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:42:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian E. Sherman" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine 3.91 Error Message Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have installed a copy of Pine3.91 on my machine to evaluate it for my users. So far it is working out great with no problems. However, when I start up Pine the following message appears: "libsocket: open (/dev/socksys) failure: No Such File or Directory" This message appears 4 times and then the main menu of Pine appears. Pine works fine and there doesn't not seen to be any problems, but I would like to find out what is missing and take care of the problem. We are running on a AcerAltos 7000 (90mhz Pentium) cpu and the OS is Altos/SCO Unix System V/386 Release 3.2 Version 4.2aC0 Run Time. Our system is just a "vanilla" setup with no network just serial terminals and printers. As I get my users trained and the remote sites computerized we will be upgrading to a SLIP connection with our local Internet provider. I assume that Pine is looking for a network connection and needs to be told that none is available. I have looked through the docs and did not see anything that referred to Unix networks directly. Is this a setup configuration or a compile time option? Any help would be appreciated. Thank You in advance. _---_ (o o) []-----ooO--~--Ooo---------------------------------------------------------[] | Brian E. Sherman - Portland, OR USA Newport/Layton Home Fashions, Inc. | | MIS/EDI Manager/Computer Services Dept. E-Mail: bsherman@teleport.com | | Voice: 503-222-3847 Ext. 234 Fax: 503-222-7465 | []-------------------------------------------------------------------------[] (oo) (oo) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 00:40:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26574; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:40:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20769; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:37:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20763; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:37:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEv77-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pamaga@biobase.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) Subject: Spaces in "Subject line" Date: 5 Dec 1994 22:01:44 GMT Message-Id: <3c02k8$pvj@biovax.biobase.dk> Status: O X-Status: Hi! I've noticed that pine "truncates" double spaces in the subject line into single spaces; i.e., an original subject such as "This subject line" becomes "This subject line" when displayed by pine. Why? Better still: how can I prevent this? Please reply by email, as I don't usually read this newsgroup. Many thanks, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes --- Clinical Genetics, Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen, Denmark \ voice: +45/35454592 (or ...90) * fax: +45/35454072 * pamaga@biobase.dk / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 03:54:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01617; Tue, 6 Dec 94 03:54:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25411; Tue, 6 Dec 94 03:48:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25405; Tue, 6 Dec 94 03:48:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEy7s-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 03:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 6 Dec 1994 10:18:00 GMT Message-Id: <3c1doo$peg@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> Status: O X-Status: In <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> mirsev@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx (Serguei Miridonov) writes: >> You may think MIME encoding is a bother, and want to work around it, >...but I also think that plain 8-bit text will be used >in Russian e-mail for a long time. >> I'd be surprised if you have an 8-bit-clean email >> path between Mexico and Russia! >OK! Surprise!!! I have an 8-bit-clean email path between Mexico and >Russia! Not surprising! The Internet is a a fully connected network at the session level -- any two nodes on the Internet can set up a direct connection and they are guaranteed an 8-bit data path. Only if some other transport mechanism is involved (e.g., BITNET) is the 8-bit data path not guaranteed. So, to exchange email with 8-bit text, only the two end nodes -- modulo any MX records on enemy sites -- need to understand 8-bit SMTP. I went through this discussion before with some of users who wanted the sendmail installed here to support 8-bit text. They convinced me that it should. Why? Because I came to understand that: If two end-users by mutual consent wish to break the standards without anybody else being affected, I should not come in their way. So I reinstalled sendmail with the appropriate definitions, and they were happy. Nobody else noticed any difference. I didn't notice any difference. In the case of a transport agent like sendmail, the pro-8-bit argument has perhaps more merit than in the case of pine -- because it's hard to bypass sendmail, but it's easy to bypass pine. But I still think the argument is worth hearing. The ideal mail user agent will allow the user to include 8-bit text, perhaps by having to explicitly request this to avoid accidents. This option is obviously for only those users who make a deliberate decision to use 8-bit text. But if two such consenting adults both make this decision, the rest of us should not come in their way. Also, consider this: A large fraction of Usenet news postings include 8-bit text. They will not go away. Any integration of News and mail must allow for a few megabytes a day of incoming Usenet postings containing 8-bit text. So, one may as well take integration a tiny step further and allow for outgoing postings and email messages containing 8-bit text too. This is emphatically not an either/or issue. Encoding of 8-bit text is a necessity when an executable binary is being transported, so it should be supported. But encoding of 8-bit text yields no benefit when "consenting adults" are at the ends of a point-to-point link, and all they want to do is read what the other person wrote, not execute it. -- Rahul Dhesi "At this point, you are babbling ignorantly." -- MRC@panda.COM (Mark Crispin) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 04:42:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02994; Tue, 6 Dec 94 04:42:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24201; Tue, 6 Dec 94 04:38:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24195; Tue, 6 Dec 94 04:38:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEytv-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 04:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dieter Britz Subject: Full list of groups? Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:02:01 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: We have just installed pine. At the start, when I wasn't subscribing to any news groups, I got to see the lot. On another machine, running nn, you can print this list, take it home and pick out what you want. I'd like to do this with pine as well. How do I do it? After I subscribed to those few groups, I no longer got offered to see the full list. How do I provoke this? Thank you. (At least my sigfile works...) -- Dieter Britz alias britz@alpha.kemi.aau.dk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 05:44:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04559; Tue, 6 Dec 94 05:44:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27097; Tue, 6 Dec 94 05:38:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27091; Tue, 6 Dec 94 05:38:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEzif-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 05:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alexander Zimmermann Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:33:28 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Please post the solution of the problem to the news group or send me private email, as I'm also interested in this. Thanks, Alex ----------------------------------------------- Alexander Zimmermann Smail: Preziosastr. 25 81927 Muenchen Germany Email: zimmerma@cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de Also Internet-Slave for IMAGINE e.V., Munich Finger me to get a plan of my various activities. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 07:30:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06699; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:30:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26282; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:04:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26276; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:03:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF18V-00000EC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 06:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Rufus D. Short" Subject: Re: General setting of printer Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:48:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Gildas PERROT wrote: > Hi, > > As root, I would like to set the printer variable in the general > configuration file (which is /usr/local/lib/pine.conf for me) to be > 'lp' instead of 'lpr' (I am on SGI, System V). If I modify a variable > in the pine.conf, the users see the changes if they haven't change > themselves this variable in their .pinerc. However, the change of > 'printer' in pine.conf is not seen by users. Any idea about this > problem ? > The file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf is only used as a template for new users to pine. The /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixeds provides a way for sys-admin to set variables for all users. Be aware though that any variables set in the 'fixed' file cannot be changed by users. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rufus Short <8-) email rds@transeda.demon.co.uk -- -- TransEDA Limited tel. +44-1703-255118 -- -- Pilgrims Close fax. +44-1703-270278 -- -- Chandlers Ford NOTE: All opinions in this text are those of -- -- Hants SO53 4ST, UK the author and not TransEDA. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 08:14:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07675; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:14:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29092; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:03:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29086; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:03:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF239-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Shaw Subject: Problem with moving from PC-PINE 3.90 to PC-PINE 3.91 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:40:42 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I installed PC-PINE 3.90 some time ago and it is working fine but I thought I would upgrade to 3.91. I did this and now although I can read mail from the server, I get an 'Error connecting to server' message when I try to send mail. I'm using the imapd version 7.8 from Washington Anyone else had this problem ? Tim ===================================================================== TIM SHAW - Network Support Analyst | phone : +44 (0)865 221323 University Data Centre, Room 2194, | email : tim.shaw@ndm.ox.ac.uk Level 2, John Radcliffe Hospital, | bleep : 1019 Oxford OX3 9DU England | fax : +44 (0)865 750506 ===================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 08:24:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08020; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27335; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27329; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:18:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF2Iz-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "N.W.Gilmour" Subject: Unsubscribing from newsgroups Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:47:33 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to unsubscribe from a group of newsgropus, or selected newsgroups in one go, as opposed to unsubscribing from each one individually, as I used the newsetup command, and it is too time-consuming to trawl through all the list and unsubscribe from all the ones I don't want. Thanks in advance. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nick Gilmour E-Mail: N.W.Gilmour@msd.hull.ac.uk "There is no further information." -the klf, 16/05/92 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 09:44:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11135; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:44:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01319; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:38:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01313; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:38:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF3Xh-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gregory Padden Subject: Re: Wyse 30 and Wyse 50 problems Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:07:04 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Gregory Padden wrote: I've solved the wyse 50 problem by send the terminal the escape sequence which turns the screen on to 132 columns, but alas, I cannot do this with the wyse 30 terminals. It seems like Pine wants more than an 80 character screen. Any suggestions? > Hi, > > I've got hundreds of wyse 30's and wyse 50's termianls on my system which > don't work well with pine 3.91. Lot's of ghosting problems and the arrow > keys don't work. > > Does anybody have any suggestions short of replacing all these 20 year > old terminals? > > Any help would be greatly accepted. > > Gregory Padden > King County Network Coordinator > gpadden@rain.kcls.lib.wa.us > Voice 206-684-6655 > BMW K75S (Oh Ya!) > > > Gregory Padden King County Network Coordinator gpadden@rain.kcls.lib.wa.us Voice 206-684-6655 BMW K75S (Oh Ya!) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 10:31:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13076; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:31:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00309; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:23:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00303; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:23:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF4FH-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Sergey A. Nikolaev" Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:00:46 +0300 Message-Id: References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3agb0t$on9@crl5.crl.com> <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3aomouINNfjb@tahma.cs.hut.fi> <3ap6ls$pdc@crl10.crl.com> <3auiua$41c@ccnet.ccnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3auiua$41c@ccnet.ccnet.com> Status: O X-Status: Please ignore it. This is a test. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 10:44:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13663; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:44:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02766; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:38:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02760; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:38:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF4Tu-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mparson@mercury.utb.edu (Michael Parson) Subject: VMS Pine 3.91beta2 Date: 6 Dec 1994 18:02:46 GMT Message-Id: <3c2907$qce@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: This morning, I went out and ftp-ed pine 3.91 beta 2 from lenin.cc.rochester.edu. After editing the appropriate vmsbuild.com files for my system, I started to compile it. Woah.... After about ten minutes, it gets thru the c-client, pico, then crashes on pine. After looking thru the compilation notes, I see that it choked on the nntp stuff. Well, our users don't need pine to read news, they can use other VMS newsreaders like vnews =) So, I took out the nntp references from all the build files. Still no dice :/ I have previously compiled and used pine 3.90 on our system but it had a few bugs that made it unusable to the end users, so I scrapped it. I have 3.91 running on my Unix system with no problems and I'd really like to get it on my VMS system. We are running on a MicroVAX 3800 running OpenVMS 6.0 and Multinet 3.3. Has anyone been able to get a workable version running on a similar setup? If so, do you have any suggestions to offer? I'm not a C programmer, so I can't really make a whole lot out of some of the errors... Thank you for any help. -- Michael Parson University of Texas at Brownsville Unix Systems Administrator Academic Computing Email: mparson@utb.edu Phone: 210-982-0280 IRC: Roloc Using Commodores since 1984 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 11:25:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15456; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:25:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01628; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:18:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01621; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:18:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF5AB-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Suggestion for ; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:19:17 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: How about, as well as being able to Zoom in on selected messages, to be able to *Hide* them? I sometimes want to be able to hide all mailing list messages, for example, so that I can easily read just personal mail. ___ _ _a' /( <. Simon Bradley, Knight Protector! / __><_>._ _ _ ___ ._ _ ~~ _}\ \( _ ) E-mail: syb3@aber.ac.uk \__ \| || ' ' |/ . \| ' | \(._(.)' Finger: syb3@osfb.aber.ac.uk <___/|_||_|_|_|\___/|_|_| ._>. _>. WWW: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~syb3/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 11:51:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16838; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:51:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04403; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:45:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04396; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:45:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF5Vv-00000EC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mr2@cedar.evansville.edu (Marc Rouleau) Subject: Re: AIX imapd dies after 8 minutes Date: 6 Dec 1994 08:15:17 -0600 Message-Id: <3c1rll$roj@cedar.evansville.edu> References: <3bvuos$v86@cedar.evansville.edu> Status: O X-Status: I wrote: >We're experiencing what appears to be a problem with the a32 imapd port. >The symptom is that the imapd process for a given session dies after >about eight minutes. ... we have a cleanup script which is supposed to kill particular processes which frequently get left behind by users accidentally. A bug in the script was causing it to kill imapd processes. Sorry to have bothered you ... -- Marc Rouleau From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 11:59:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17290; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:59:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04582; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:54:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04572; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:54:22 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA06026; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:55:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:55:50 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: address books Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello -- I recently installed pine on an DEC Alpha 3300 running OSF. It works great, but now I want to set up a site-wide address book. I cannot find the file pine.conf on my system. I guess I don't have one (I haven't done any customization until now.) I'm looking for a sample of pine.conf, particularly the global-address-book variable. Also, does the global-address file have to be of a particular format? Would anyone have a sample they would be willing to share?? Thanks! Mary Aplin Academic Computing Services Loyola University, New Orleans aplin@alpha.loyno.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 12:03:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17415; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:03:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02716; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:59:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from SPSUP-1.NAVY.MIL by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02706; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:59:07 -0800 Received: by uhura.uii.com (1.37.109.11/15.6) id AA094523941; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:59:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:59:00 -0500 (EST) From: Craig Davenport To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Sub PINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Subscribe Craig Davenport From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 12:23:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18352; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:23:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05105; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:17:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05099; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:17:30 -0800 Received: from prt.Teleglobe.CA by alpha.Teleglobe.CA with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA28783; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:17:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:18:06 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Mary Aplin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: address books X-Sender: prt@alpha.teleglobe.ca In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: [...] > I cannot find the file pine.conf on my system. I guess I don't have one > (I haven't done any customization until now.) I'm looking for a sample > of pine.conf, particularly the global-address-book variable. [...] You should first build the pine.conf file using pine itself: pine -conf >/usr/lib/pine.conf After that, you will be able to start customizing it to suit your needs. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:08:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20346; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:08:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05909; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05903; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00:19 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00316 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:53:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:39:09 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClure To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: subscribe to pine-info@cac.washington.edu _________________________________________________________________ Scott McClure Mail: scott@msi.masi.com MicroAccounting Systems, Inc. Voice: (503) 641-4200 Portland, Or Fax: (503) 643-1386 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:08:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20375; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:08:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05919; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05913; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF6jX-00000IC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 Error Message Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:16:47 GMT Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: Brian E. Sherman (bsherman@teleport.com) wrote: : I have installed a copy of Pine3.91 on my machine to evaluate it for my : users. So far it is working out great with no problems. However, : when I start up Pine the following message appears: : "libsocket: open (/dev/socksys) failure: No Such File or Directory" : This message appears 4 times and then the main menu of Pine appears. : Pine works fine and there doesn't not seen to be any problems, but I : would like to find out what is missing and take care of the problem. : Altos/SCO Unix System V/386 Release 3.2 Version 4.2aC0 Run Time. Yes, it wants the TCP/IP code. It's pretty insistent about it. So far as I know, no simple compile-time switches exist to turn off that dependency. Your only hope is to find someone who can take the code, ferret out all the TCP/IP-module dependent code and recompile it for you (I assume you don't have the compilers, since your OS says Run Time). To compile Pine, you need the TCP/IP Developers Version. To run it, you need at least the TCP/IP runtime version. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:13:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20542; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:13:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03731; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:54:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03725; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:54:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF6ew-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rdm4@Isis.MsState.Edu (Randy D. McClellan) Subject: Multiple Signatures?? Date: 6 Dec 1994 15:13:51 GMT Message-Id: <3c1v3f$6gi@Tut.MsState.Edu> Status: O X-Status: How do I have multiple signatures?? Thanks, -- ******************************************************************* * * * * Randy D. McClellan * "If I ever needed a brain transplant, I'd * * rdm4@ra.msstate.edu * choose a sportswriter because I'd want a * * PO BOX 4340 * brain that had never been used." * * MSU, MS 39762 * NORM VAN BROCKLIN * * * * ******************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:21:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20788; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:21:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04394; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:15:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04388; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:15:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF6w0-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Relative impact of imap/pc clients vs telnet/pine sessions Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:32:03 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > Take a multiuser machine, say a Sun 4/370. If it can support N pc users > who telnet in and run a continuous pine session, it can presumably > support M x N pc users were they all to adopt an IMAP based PC mua. Any > guesses on the value of M? (We get N up to 40 or so on the model suggested). I got no substantive responses, but yesterday we got a complete NFS lockup between our (Solaris) SPARCcenter and (SunOS) Auspex fileserver which holds the mail spool. We switched Pine's access method to IMAP onto a modest Sun which can support ~15-20 telnet/pine sessions. We happily supported 56 imap connections, which slowed, but did not kill this host. => M ~ 3 Q.E.D. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:22:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20845; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:22:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06443; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:15:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06437; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:15:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF6wR-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu (Christopher W. Curtis) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:23:30 GMT Status: O X-Status: In Mark Crispin writes: When another Pine session tries to open the inbox, the first session goes read-only. I've always found this awkward - you would think that the second session would say "inbox already open - opening readonly" instead of "yanking file lock - your other session is now readonly." But regardless of this, since the first session can tell that the inbox has been re-opened, couldn't it be possible to put the read-only pine session into some sort of loop to reopen the inbox (read/write) once the second lock is gone? >The problem with adding a command to do this is that such a command would >pretty much do all of the work of exiting and restarting Pine. Since Pine >is running short of single-letter commands, do we really want to spend one >of the last available characters to do something you can do with the 6 >character sequence qpine? >On Sun, 4 Dec 1994, Lars Viklund wrote: >> A related question: I use pine for reading mail (using IMAP) both at work >> and from home (over a dialup PPP connection). Normally I leave pine running >> on my workstation at work and when I access my mailbox from home the IMAP >> server will steal the lock (and the pine running at work will have the >> mailbox open read-only). All this is fine, but when I come back to work I >> would like to reopen my mailbox read/write without having to restart pine. >> Is this possible? -- T | Christopher Curtis | Those who would sacrifice | O E | Sun Lab System Administrator | liberty for security | S A | Florida Institute of Technology | deserve neither. | / M | Melbourne, Florida N|N -Benjamin Franklin | 2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:24:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20908; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:24:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04478; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:19:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04472; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:19:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF70E-00000EC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dennis Gehris Subject: Windows Pine Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:15:20 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Can someone give me the ftp anonymous address for downloading Windows Pine? Please respond to me via email to one of the the addresses below. Thanks!! ************************************************************************** Dennis O. Gehris, Ed.D. INTERNET: dg@planetx.bloomu.edu Associate Professor or dg@neptune.bloomu.edu College of Business Bloomsburg University OFFICE: 717-389-4771 Bloomsburg, PA 17815 FAX: 717-389-3892 ************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 15:56:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26844; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:56:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09942; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:50:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09934; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:50:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF9LZ-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gildas PERROT Subject: PINE printer commands setting Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:04:38 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I would like to set a default value for the "Personally selected print command" and for the "Standard UNIX print command" for all the users of PINE on our machines. I want also that the first one could be modified by the user himself. How can I do that ? Thanks in advance. Gildas. # Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique # Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o # e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, # Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 17:08:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29778; Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:08:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11452; Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:02:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.liv.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11445; Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:02:58 -0800 Received: from pop.liv.ac.uk by mail.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:02:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:02:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Thew X-Sender: qq11@mail.liv.ac.uk To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Alan Thew Subject: Custom header problem Message-Id: Organization: The University of Liverpool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm sure this is not new but some only seem to work for news but not mail. It _appears_ that I can define the use of a field such as Reply-To: and fill in a value on a per mail item basis. Rich headers displays the field but pine seems to lose it if I use the direct SMTP or sendmail interfaces. My organization field seems OK and Reply-To: is fine with the nntp interface. Thanks. -- Alan Thew [Note new numbers] alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 20:10:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04035; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:10:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12366; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:07:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12360; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:07:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFDO2-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 19:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nb@mailgw-vtc.oto.med.umich.edu (Nilotpal Bhattacharyya) Subject: ? FTP sites for PINE for Windows/PC application Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:09:52 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Dear Netters, Can you post or e-mail me directly on: ? FTP sites for PINE for Windows/PC application Thanks a lot in advance, Nilotpal Bhattacharyya (nil) pappab@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 20:41:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04802; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:41:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14954; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:36:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14945; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:36:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFDnA-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: undigest Date: 6 Dec 1994 21:35:27 GMT Message-Id: <3c2lev$423@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: Penio Penev writes: >Sine pine shows the digests like MIME attcachments, I'd like to see >dealing with indexes of MIME attachments to have the same functionality >as dealing with indexes of mail folders. > >Then a digest will look like a mail folder and one could save the >interesting messages with the group commands. I agree it would be great to be able to deal with an index of attachments the same way that you deal with a regular folder index, e.g., to be able to forward, respond to, or delete individual attachments. I have a question about how best to format my FAQs so that someone who uses Pine as his newsreader can easily choose the subjects he's interested in. If I format each digest item like this: ------------------------------ [ Part 1.0: "1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions" ] Date: 06 Dec 1994 23:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions [text] ------------------------------ Will Pine users be able to view the index by typing V? Is this the best strategy for posting digests so Pine users can read them? Thanks for any info, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 20:54:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05078; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:54:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12923; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:50:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12917; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:50:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFE4r-00000IC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alan Thew Subject: Reply w/o attachment Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:41:33 GMT Status: O X-Status: I'm sure this is obvious but I just want to reply to some text but if I type R , pine 3.91 wants to include 100K of attachment which has been sent in the original mail as well, and there's no way I can un attach it... I'm using the MH interface (rather nice so far for a tty interface). Thanks -- Alan Thew [Note new numbers] alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 21:41:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06431; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:41:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15944; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:38:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15938; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:38:03 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25038; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:37:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:37:58 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Alan Thew Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reply w/o attachment In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Alan, Go to setup/config and turn *off* the "include-attachments-in-reply" feature. Or use ^K on the Attchmnts header line to delete individually. -teg On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Alan Thew wrote: > I'm sure this is obvious but I just want to reply to some text but if > I type R , pine 3.91 wants to include 100K of attachment which has been > sent in the original mail as well, and there's no way I can un attach it... > > I'm using the MH interface (rather nice so far for a tty interface). > Thanks > > -- > Alan Thew > [Note new numbers] > alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 > University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 21:48:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06579; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:48:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16078; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:45:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16072; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:45:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFEsT-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cckathy@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Kathy F. Gates) Subject: Ctrl-C to cansel messages Date: 6 Dec 1994 19:33:49 GMT Message-Id: <3c2eat$qb8@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Status: O X-Status: A user at a remote site says that he cannot use ctrl-c in pine to cancel messages. He ends up just postponing them indefinitely. I've tried to figure out what might be causing his troubles to no avail. ctrl-c is set to send ascii 003. intr is set to ctrl-c. My only guess is that something on his local system is intercepting the sequence. Does anybody have a suggestion for a work-around? Any pertinent information that you can provide would be appreciated. --- Kathy Gates cckathy@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu Telephone: (601) 232-7280 Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research FAX: (601) 232-7180 105 Powers Hall Office Hours: 8:00am-2:00pm University, MS 38677 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 22:34:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07521; Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:34:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14397; Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:31:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14391; Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:31:24 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26178; Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:31:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Mary Aplin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: address books In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Usually you should put the pine.conf file in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. The global-address-book line looks just like an address-book line in a .pinerc file, for example, it might say global-address-book=/usr/local/lib/abook or global-address-book=Global Address Book /usr/local/lib/abook The file itself is a standard pine address book. For example, you could create it by copying your own .addressbook to that file. You'll probably want to come up with a better way to do that than copying your own address book. The format of the address book is discussed in the technical notes in the doc directory of the source distribution. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Pierre Thibaudeau wrote: > On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: > > [...] > > I cannot find the file pine.conf on my system. I guess I don't have one > > (I haven't done any customization until now.) I'm looking for a sample > > of pine.conf, particularly the global-address-book variable. > [...] > > You should first build the pine.conf file using pine itself: > pine -conf >/usr/lib/pine.conf > After that, you will be able to start customizing it to suit your needs. > > -- > Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: > TELEGLOBE CANADA | > 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 > Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | > Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 23:49:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09022; Tue, 6 Dec 94 23:49:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15329; Tue, 6 Dec 94 23:45:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15323; Tue, 6 Dec 94 23:45:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFGok-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 23:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Bloomquist Subject: how do you disable KBLock function in pine? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:41:55 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: How does one disable the KBLock function, we are using pine on an rs6000 running AIX. Pine is our default mail program, and the KBLock feature is not desired in our lab. Thanks for the replies, -Paul P.S. please reply via E-Mail to pbloomqu@westmx.westmont.edu _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ / //// Westmont College / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ / 0 0 Santa Barbara, CA / _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ /o00--()--00o---------------/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ /-|- Paul Bloomquist / _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ / | pbloomqu@westmont.edu / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 01:04:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10989; Wed, 7 Dec 94 01:04:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18758; Wed, 7 Dec 94 01:01:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18752; Wed, 7 Dec 94 01:01:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFHz2-00000DC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 00:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@hpsgcsgb.sgp.hp.com (David Wong) Subject: Re: Latest version of pine... Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 06:09:53 GMT References: <3at9pq$88o@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> <3avini$ls2@darum.uni-mannheim.de> <3b1ond$dbt@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Status: O X-Status: In article <3b1ond$dbt@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> zimmerma@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Alexander Zimmermann) writes: >Xref: hpsgm1 comp.mail.pine:3931 >Path: hpsgm1!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!zimmerma >From: zimmerma@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Alexander Zimmermann) >Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine >Subject: Re: Latest version of pine... >Date: 24 Nov 1994 10:08:45 GMT >Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen >Lines: 15 >Distribution: world >Message-ID: <3b1ond$dbt@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> >References: <3at9pq$88o@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> <3avini$ls2@darum.uni-mannheim.de> >NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de >Originator: zimmerma@venus.cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de >Hi, > Just wanted to say thanks for your input. Thanks also to the people who sent me email. >-- >Alex >----------------------------------------------- > Alexander Zimmermann >Smail: Preziosastr. 25 > 81927 Muenchen > Germany >Email: zimmerma@cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de >Also Internet-Slave for IMAGINE e.V., Munich >Finger me to get a plan of my various activities. Could you post it? I'm also interested to know. Thanks! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 04:06:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16050; Wed, 7 Dec 94 04:06:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18724; Wed, 7 Dec 94 04:01:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18718; Wed, 7 Dec 94 04:01:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFKlS-00000BC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 03:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Opening INBOX via IMAP Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:50:25 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: When Pine is about to open the INBOX, it says Please wait, opening mail folder ....... For various reasons I won't go into, our users are used to spending some time looking at this message and that's fine. We recently switched to mounting the mail spool via imap on one of our machines; when the users started Pine, the status line said something like HOST: suma2.rdg.ac.uk ENTER LOGIN NAME: suqblogs but some people were still staring at a point higher up the screen, which told them Please wait. Opening mail folder ....... so they did! (wait and wait, that is). Can the message be modified for imap connections ("Please look down", "I need your userid on imaphost", "Wakey, wakey!" etc) Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 07:15:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21342; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:15:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21536; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:00:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21530; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:00:37 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA01575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:00:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:00:27 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: News distribution Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: User here wants to set a Distribution in a usenet posting, and neither he nor I see how that would be done with pine. What's intended here? Thanks. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 07:15:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21344; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:15:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23936; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:03:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23924; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:03:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFNcL-00000DC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 06:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 7 Dec 1994 12:20:18 -0000 Message-Id: <3c49a2$m8g@kantti.Helsinki.FI> References: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3c1doo$peg@hustle.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: In article <3c1doo$peg@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > >This is emphatically not an either/or issue. Encoding of 8-bit text is >a necessity when an executable binary is being transported, so it >should be supported. But encoding of 8-bit text yields no benefit when >"consenting adults" are at the ends of a point-to-point link, and all >they want to do is read what the other person wrote, not execute it. Except it will be a pain in the nether region to fill various mailertables etc with names of all the "consenting adult partners". I suppose that's one of the reasons why the 8BITMIME-keyword(*) was invented in the ESMTP dialogue. So, why not do this the right way and adopt the 8BITMIME-kayword? (*) In this context 8BITMIME should probably read "I'm over 18". -- Lea 'LadyBug' Viljanen University of Helsinki Lea doesn't Lea.Viljanen@Helsinki.FI Computing Centre rhyme with tea. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 07:54:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22816; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:54:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22326; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:44:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22320; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:43:58 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <21150-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:37:20 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA06964; Wed, 7 Dec 94 15:42:42 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:42:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: News distribution In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: In the Setup Configuration screen define a "Distribution:" customised header. This can then be used whenever you are composing a message by placing the cursor in the headers and typing a Ctrl/R (Rich Headers). Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > > User here wants to set a Distribution in a usenet posting, and neither > he nor I see how that would be done with pine. What's intended here? > Thanks. > > Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems > Columbia University in the City of New York > brennan@columbia.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 08:33:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24373; Wed, 7 Dec 94 08:33:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23197; Wed, 7 Dec 94 08:21:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23191; Wed, 7 Dec 94 08:21:37 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA01744; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:23:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:23:05 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: Address Book Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello Again -- I would like to thank those of you who responded to my questions about setting up a global address book. I'm making progress due to the technical notes and information you've supplied, but now have another question: I've created the file loyola.addresses in /usr/lib. It's protection is rwxr-xr-x. I've invoked PINE via root in order to create the loyola.addresses.lu file. When I attempt to access the public address file via PINE as root I see the following messages: file changed by another process -- resyncing... resetting... The cursor then moves to root's own address book. When I try to access the public address file via a regular user account the same messages appear, but the process winds up in an endless loop. I eventually have to break out of my session. During both attempts at accessing the file, the information in the public file was displayed while all of the messages were happening. Thank You!!! Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 10:23:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29388; Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:23:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25906; Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:10:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from badlands.NoDak.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25900; Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:10:08 -0800 Received: (from dbloom@localhost) by badlands.NoDak.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA243523; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:10:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:10:02 -0600 (CST) From: Deborah R Bloom To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Suscribe to group posting From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 11:14:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01559; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:14:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27333; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:08:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vnet.ibm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27327; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:08:33 -0800 Received: from RTP by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4603; Wed, 07 Dec 94 14:08:34 EST Received: by RTP (XAGENTA 4.0) id 2745; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:07:55 -0500 Received: by axis.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25099; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:08:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean Allen" To: Chuck Coronella Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Have you taken a look at the UltiMail lite version included with the Internet connectivity pack? I have used the full-blown version before, and it is pretty nice (MIME compliant). It does not, however, have an ASCII interface (for dial-in, etc...) so a PM version of Pine with an ASCII counterpart would be nice! On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Chuck Coronella wrote: > With the new release of OS/2 Warp (3.0), there is (or will be) a significant > demand for a product such as pine for OS/2. More and more people will be > switching to OS/2 in the future, and the only mailers currently available for > OS/2 are clearly inadequate. > > Please, please please! > > Chuck Coronella > Chemical & Metallurgical Engineering Department > University of Nevada, Reno > coronell@pogonip.unr.edu > > > Sean Allen AIX/Database Administration (919)543-6021 Fax 7996 IBM Personal Computer Company Internal Zip: D318/B205 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 #include Internet: allensd@vnet.ibm.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 11:21:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01880; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:21:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27511; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:15:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vnet.ibm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27505; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:15:25 -0800 Received: from RTP by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4658; Wed, 07 Dec 94 14:12:33 EST Received: by RTP (XAGENTA 4.0) id 2749; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:11:57 -0500 Received: by axis.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13628; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:12:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean Allen" To: "Mary S. Freeman" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX In-Reply-To: <3btsi0$2pp@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The Good News "virus" is URBAN LEGEND and should be disregarded... See the CIAC bulletin for more info. To answer Dons question look for this in your .pinerc: # Pine executes these keys upon startup (e.g. to view msg 13: i,j,1,3,CR,v) initial-keystroke-list= Put an i after initial-keystroke-list= abd it will dump you into INBOX automagically. On 5 Dec 1994, Mary S. Freeman wrote: > donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > : My site runs v3.89 (still!). When I fire up Pine, it puts me in the > : main menu. Is there a way to configure Pine so that it drops me straight > : into my INBOX? I tried the command `pine -i i', but Pine interpreted > : this as an attempt to compose a message to someone with the userid 'i'. > > : Thanks for your help! > > : Don Pratt > : Syracuse University > Dear Don > > It is not safe to go directly to the inbox. There is a virus that is > announced as Good News and should not be read. It should be deleted. > > Susan F. > > -- > > Sean Allen AIX/Database Administration (919)543-6021 Fax 7996 IBM Personal Computer Company Internal Zip: D318/B205 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 #include Internet: allensd@vnet.ibm.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 13:37:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08079; Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:37:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00888; Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:32:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ben.franklin.uga.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00882; Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:32:48 -0800 Received: from zen by ben.franklin.uga.edu with SMTP id AA29665 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:32:47 -0500 Received: by zen id AA03394 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:38:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:38:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Lemuella C. Logan" To: pine Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lemuella C. Logan | voice: (706) 542-1558 Franklin College of Arts & Sciences | fax : (706) 542-3400 Information Analyst II | email: lclogan@zen.franklin.uga.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 17:17:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18897; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:17:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06453; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:13:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06445; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:13:51 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00357; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:13:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:13:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Stephen Winnall/Oq9 Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: mailcap and pine In-Reply-To: <3bkm6r$iov@mx.ska.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 1 Dec 1994, Stephen Winnall/Oq9 wrote: > I've discovered the cause of the problem by reading the source of > mailpart.c. Anything in the mailcap file that starts with TEXT/... > or MESSAGE/... will be ignored because there are hard-coded > interpretations in Pine for them. This doesn't sound quite right. We're still learning about mailcap so it has been changing, but at least with 3.91, you can specify viewers for most types that override the pine builtins. The current attachment index won't allow you to select a MULTIPART to view so you can never run an external viewer for that type. You should be able to run an external viewer for any MESSAGE type. If you don't specify one, Pine will try to handle it. You can run an external viewer for type TEXT if the charset is different from the one you have set in your config file, otherwise, Pine will intercept it before giving mailcap a chance. If there isn't a match in mailcap, Pine will attempt to display it. The other types are only displayable with external mailcap viewers. > I now use application/x-pgp and can get on with handling the next > problem now ;-). The reason text/x-pgp doesn't work is because Pine sees a matching charset (us-ascii) and decides it should display it itself. Perhaps we should only be intercepting text/plain with a matching charset instead of all text types? > As a matter of interest: is it a feature or a bug that users cannot > define their own subtypes for the types TEXT and MESSAGE? Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 17:22:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19014; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:22:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08556; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:16:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08550; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:16:11 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00422; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:16:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Mary Aplin Cc: pine Subject: Re: Address Book In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: There are some serious address book bugs in 3.90. You need to upgrade to 3.91 in order to fix the problem you're seeing. Thanks. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: > Hello Again -- > I would like to thank those of you who responded to my questions about > setting up a global address book. I'm making progress due to the > technical notes and information you've supplied, but now have another > question: > > I've created the file loyola.addresses in /usr/lib. It's protection is > rwxr-xr-x. I've invoked PINE via root in order to create the > loyola.addresses.lu file. > > When I attempt to access the public address file via PINE as root I see > the following messages: > > file changed by another process -- resyncing... > > resetting... > > The cursor then moves to root's own address book. > > When I try to access the public address file via a regular user account > the same messages appear, but the process winds up in an endless loop. I > eventually have to break out of my session. > > During both attempts at accessing the file, the information in the public > file was displayed while all of the messages were happening. > > > Thank You!!! > > Mary Aplin > Loyola University, New Orleans > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 17:34:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19332; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:34:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08767; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:30:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08761; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:30:33 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00810; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:30:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Tjeerd Jongeling Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Also my problem: Putting Admin in AdressBook? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You can't put an address in everyone's address book in 3.91. The bugs-* entries in the pine.conf file only apply to the Bug Report command. You used to be able to put them in the address book, but we removed that feature because lots and lots of people had our address in their address books. We over-reacted. We should have just removed the default. In 3.92 there will be a new variable which can be set in the pine.conf file and will cause some specified addrbook entries to be written into all personal address books which are writable and don't already have a matching nickname. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Tjeerd Jongeling wrote: > > > On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Ryan Bradford Neily wrote: > > > I am having trouble getting my name to appear in users address books so > > that they may mail me with problems. > > > > What are the exact tokens for this in pine.conf, and when I do get it > > working, will it appear in my address book as well being the admin? > > I have a look-a-like problem (on SunOS.4.1.1). Introducing 'bugs-fullname' > and 'bugs-address' in pine.conf and/or pine.conf.fixed has no effect. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 22:16:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25708; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:16:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10733; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:13:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10727; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:13:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFbo1-00000BC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 21:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Tab Completion && PICO Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 20:10:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: <199412052046.OAA28518@paducah.cs.utexas.edu> <199412080306.UAA15420@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199412080306.UAA15420@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Jim Davis wrote: > Put a shell wrapper around it then. Something like > > #!/bin/sh > exec /usr/local/bin/pico -w "$@" I just tried this and it didn't work. I named the script pico and put it in my path before /usr/local/bin/pico. When I run pico from the Unix prompt I do invoke the script and autowrap is off, but if I compose in Pine with Pico, autowrap is on, which makes me think that Pine has /usr/local/bin/pico hardwired in. Anyone know a way around it (other than specifying ``pico -w'' as the alternate editor)? Thanks, Nancy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 22:25:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25886; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:25:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12919; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:23:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12913; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:23:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFc0l-00000EC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: minerva@nehalem.rain.com (Darci Chapman - Paradise Cowgirl) Subject: Pine under X-Window System? Date: 8 Dec 1994 01:13:56 GMT Message-Id: <3c5mkk$p8k@pop0.rain.rg.net> Status: O X-Status: Once upon a time I had an URL for info on X verion of Pine and to make an uninteresting story short :-), I no longer have such thing. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance (email is best: minerva@nehalem.rain.com). Cheerio, dlc -- Darci Chapman Senior Firmware/Software Consultant minerva@nehalem.rain.com Solution Logic, Inc, 319 SW Washington #1001, Portland, OR 97204 503/222-0057 . _ _ _ _ _| | |_| | | \_| | | |\ | _| |_| / |_| /\/\ |__ | |_| |/\| |_| |_| | \| _| |_| /\ | | / \ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 22:42:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26258; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:42:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13070; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:34:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13064; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:34:07 -0800 Received: by saul4.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19660; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:34:04 -0800 X-Sender: absweger@saul4.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Sweger To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Tab Completion && PICO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Jim Davis wrote: > > Put a shell wrapper around it then. Something like > > > > #!/bin/sh > > exec /usr/local/bin/pico -w "$@" > > > I just tried this and it didn't work. I named the script pico and > put it in my path before /usr/local/bin/pico. When I run pico from > the Unix prompt I do invoke the script and autowrap is off, but if I > compose in Pine with Pico, autowrap is on, which makes me think that > Pine has /usr/local/bin/pico hardwired in. Anyone know a way around > it (other than specifying ``pico -w'' as the alternate editor)? I think the pico code (for pine's *built in* editor) is internal to pine (special handling of header section, same process, etc.). -- / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office) // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON (206) 685-4337 (Voice Mail) / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 22:53:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26488; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:53:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11176; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:49:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11170; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:49:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFcMW-00000DC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jonc@pinnacle.co.nz (Jonathan Chen) Subject: Re: sent-mail Date: 8 Dec 1994 15:01:10 +1300 Message-Id: <3c5pd6$mpa@kea.pinnacle.co.nz> References: <3c55l0$qii@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Status: O X-Status: In <3c55l0$qii@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> ecmsf@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Mary S. Freeman) writes: >I don't have a lot of space left on my school account. I tried to >just delete sent-mail file. Without a sent-mail file pine will not >send my mail. is there any way to fix that? >Susan f. If you're on a UNIX system, get out to the command prompt issue the following commands : % cd % touch mail/sent-mail This will create an empty sent-mail file. Your other option is to save a piece of mail to the sent-mail folder. -- Jonathan Chen | e-mail : jonc@pinnacle.co.nz #include | Voice : +64.9.489.7020 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 23:22:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26971; Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:22:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13685; Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:19:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13677; Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:19:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFcrN-00000EC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) Subject: Pine 3.91 "cannot unpack 8-bit encoding"? huh? Date: 7 Dec 1994 16:03:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Status: O X-Status: I did look for a FAQ in news.answers, and found none. Just built pine 3.91 and I really like the way it will unpack MIME quoted-printable-encoded messages (in the 8859-1 character set) and display them correctly. Then I tried to read a NON-encoded, i.e. "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8-bit" message in the same character set and pine balks. It won't display the message, and the multipart viewer claims it doesn't know how to unpack 8-bit encoding. Is pine 3.92 due anytime soon? It shouldn't be too difficult to add an "8-bit" unpacker. :-) -- Steve Robbins -- Consultant in Computerology steve@cim.mcgill.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 01:57:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00298; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:57:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15583; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:53:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15577; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:53:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFfGn-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: p15254@winkey.geg.mot.com (Rick Rankin) Subject: How does Pine recognize MIME attachments? Date: 07 Dec 1994 15:41:19 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I have a message containing MIME attachments that was forwarded to me through Microsoft mail which, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't support MIME. The message originated from Pine 3.89, and I'm running Pine 3.90. For some reason, Pine does not recognize the MIME attachments in the message. I have two questions. First, did MS Mail somehow munge the header so that Pine no longer recognizes the attachment? Second, regardless of whether MS Mail is at fault, can I edit the message directly so that Pine will recognize the attachments? Here is the header as it came to me: --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=temp Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: [[ ... message deleted ... ]] --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303-- Any help would be appreciated. ========================================================================= | Rick Rankin | | | Motorola GSTG | Voice: 602-441-7338 | | 8220 E. Roosevelt St. | Fax: 602-441-7301 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85252 | Internet: rick_rankin@email.mot.com | | Mail Drop R1216 | | ========================================================================= -- ========================================================================= | Rick Rankin | | | Motorola GSTG | Voice: 602-441-7338 | | 8220 E. Roosevelt St. | Fax: 602-441-7301 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85252 | Internet: rick_rankin@email.mot.com | | Mail Drop R1216 | | ========================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 02:04:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00496; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:04:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13618; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:00:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13612; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:00:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFfJd-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aechrist@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Alexander E. Christensen) Subject: garbled printing Message-Id: <1994Dec8.073537.9947@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 07:35:37 GMT Status: O X-Status: My pine system captures the text, and then I print to the local printer, but the messages are all garbled and don't make sense anymore. It seems to read different characters each time, but never the whole message. Any suggestions? Please mail me or post here. Thanx. -- | Chester Francois Bolero | "There's no 'c' in 'orange juice,' but if | | aechrist@liberty.uc.wlu.edu | there were, it would stand for 'color.' | | You can call me Al. | --Some guy named Derek | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 02:22:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00810; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:22:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15874; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:18:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15868; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:18:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFff1-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: atl-aust@adam.com.au (Neil Le Quesne) Subject: Re: not reading .addressbook Date: 8 Dec 1994 18:37:41 +1030 Message-Id: <3c6esd$v57@adam.com.au> References: <3ar281$843@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Status: O X-Status: Mark A. Stephan (markstep@engin.umich.edu) wrote: : When I switched versions of pine, I realized that the new pine was not : accepting the old addressbook, and was trying to create a new one. Anyone : get this problem? Interesting that you mention this. Just a few minutes ago I was discussing Pine with the sysop on my system, and was advised that we would not be upgrading to Pine 3.91 because it was not backwards-compatible (ie. will not read old addressbook and other user-configurable elements). I'd love to know if this can be overcome. Anyway..thought you might be interested :) Neil Le Quesne Managing Partner Asian Trade Links ____________________________________________________________________________ A S I A N T R A D E L I N K S Linking Australia & Asia in Trade 3/237 Belair Road, Torrens Park, SA, Australia, 5062 Phone/Fax: 61 (8) 374-1130 E-Mail: atl-aust@adam.com.au ____________________________________________________________________________ -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 02:27:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00877; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:27:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13900; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:23:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13894; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:23:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFfli-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez017400@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Hemang Patel) Subject: pop3d Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:27:04 GMT Message-Id: <3c55qo$ocg@mark.ucdavis.edu> Status: O X-Status: -- I know that pine is an imap based e-mail program, but I am looking to find pop3d. I have a copy of imapd that I obtained from ftp.cac.washington.edu, but where do I find pop3? TIA. ________________________________________ >Hemang Patel hcpatel@dale.ucdavis.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 02:31:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01010; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:31:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13956; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:28:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13944; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:28:33 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <17867-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:22:29 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA25282; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:28:13 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:28:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Suppressing Usenet News "post to many thousands?" prompt? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Was I dreaming? I thought ... was SURE ... there was a Configuration variable to say "yes I know what I'm doing, don't ask me if I really want to post this article to thousands of people" ...But now I can't find hide nor hair of it! So was I imagining it? If so, is it an option that could be considered for addition (or is it part of the user protection in the great Usenet News v Mail debate?) Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:09:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01856; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:09:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14411; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:05:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14391; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:04:58 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:01:12 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:01:11 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Rick Rankin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How does Pine recognize MIME attachments? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 7 Dec 1994, Rick Rankin wrote: > I have a message containing MIME attachments that was forwarded to me > through Microsoft mail which, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't > support MIME. The message originated from Pine 3.89, and I'm running > Pine 3.90. For some reason, Pine does not recognize the MIME > attachments in the message. > > I have two questions. First, did MS Mail somehow munge the header so > that Pine no longer recognizes the attachment? Second, regardless of > whether MS Mail is at fault, can I edit the message directly so that > Pine will recognize the attachments? > > Here is the header as it came to me: > > --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=temp > Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 > Content-ID: > Content-Description: > > [[ ... message deleted ... ]] > > --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303-- > > Any help would be appreciated. > Actually, what you state is the header is really the body. The header would have looked something like: Received: from grumpy.qualcomm.com by cdsmail.cdc.com; Tue, 29 Nov 94 11:33:51 -0600 Received: from [129.46.10.64] (cjohnson.qualcomm.com [129.46.10.64]) by grumpy (8.6.9/QC-BSD-2.4) with SMTP id JAA01748 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:33:10 -0800 X-Sender: sdveris@apprentice.qualcomm.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========================_12706902==_" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:33:10 -0800 To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com From: eudora-rep@qualcomm.com (Scott Dveris) The most important key item is the "Mime-Version:" header, which tells the UA (in your case pine) that this is a mime message. You should be able to edit you heads so that the look like: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--0-1024407403-786752173:#23303--" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:33:10 -0800 To: you@some.place.com From: someone@foo.bar.com --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303-- Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=temp Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: [Base 64 Encoded stuff here] --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:23:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02248; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:23:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16617; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:19:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16611; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:18:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFgdY-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dieter Britz Subject: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:42:08 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Having subscribed to 6 groups, I now get to see only those 6. How do I access the list of ALL groups, and how can I get that list into a file, so I can print it and read it at home at my leisure? -- Dieter Britz alias britz@alpha.kemi.aau.dk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:38:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02666; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:38:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14727; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:30:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14721; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:30:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFglh-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bdearden@utk.edu (Boyd Dearden) Subject: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver Date: 7 Dec 1994 16:19:01 GMT Message-Id: <3c4n9l$715@martha.utk.edu> Status: O X-Status: I have tried to get PC-Pine 3.91 with packet driver to work with the NCSA packet drivers. Everything seems to work except that I can not connect to the Host computer. Does anyone have ideas of what needs to be in the CONFIG.TEL file to solve this problem. Boyd Dearden Stat. & Comp. Serv. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:52:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02987; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:52:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14962; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:49:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14956; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:49:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFh5Z-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fred@dbx.ml.ee (Fred New) Subject: Re: PINE binaries for SCO Unix? Date: 8 Dec 1994 09:02:03 GMT Message-Id: <3c6i2b$3q9@horos.kbfi.ee> References: <3c5q53$hnq@doc.jmu.edu> Status: O X-Status: For compiled binaries of PINE for SCO Unix, try ftp: ftp.celestial.com/pub/sco-sites/unix (I think I got that correct, I don't have it written down anywhere. They have two versions--MMDF and non-MMDF. Read the README files.) -- ss------------------------------------------------------------------------ss Fred New, Systems Administrator (This space intentionally filled in.) IC Systems | Sakala 19 | Tallinn EE0001 | Estonia Internet--fred@ml.ee voice--(372) 6-308-900 fax--(372) 6-308-901 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:52:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03008; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:52:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16989; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:49:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16983; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:49:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFh3X-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mvdg@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Subject: printing on Mac stylewriter II Date: 8 Dec 1994 00:35:43 GMT Message-Id: <3c5kcv$hnc@news.sas.ab.ca> Status: O X-Status: I am having difficulty figuring out how to print pine documents to my printer. I have tried several configurations to no avail. Q.Is it possible to print from pine on a Mac using the "ansi" default on pine? Q.Is the configuration problem in my software? I am using Claris communications package. Thanks for any help. Matthew van der Giessen mvdg@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 04:14:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04145; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:14:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17562; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:09:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17556; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:09:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFhMi-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ted Y Wilson Subject: "Home directory" folder Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:44:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: After entering the 'folder' environment of PINE, I see below the mail folders a band which has the message that my home directory access folder has been disabled, or some such, and that I should select to restore it. My question is: How do I look at my home directory using Pine? I can see it at the unix % prompt by using the list ls command. It might be handy to look at it from inside Pine, however. Any help out there, particularly at the U. Mich. sysop command post? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 04:39:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04521; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:39:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15778; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:34:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15772; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:34:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFhlQ-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: MARK A JANKOVITS Subject: Suggestion for improvement on Pine Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:45:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: I have a suggestion for improvement on the Pine program. Specifically, an improvement on the Usenet newsreader portion. I noticed that whenever you subscribe to a new newsgroup you get posting from months and months back, sometimes there are hundreds on these unwanted postings. The only way to delete these unwanted postings is to go through them linearly and delete them. Here's my suggestion: how about a command that would delete all the posting currently held? Then, you could read the most current postings and then, with one stoke of a key, delete all the old postings you're not interested in. The idea I'm suggesting is similar to the 'catch up' command in the newsreader 'rn'. If you could please reply as to whether this is possible and what would be needed to inplement that change, it would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 05:04:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05183; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:04:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18098; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:00:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18092; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:00:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFi3y-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Sergey A. Nikolaev" Subject: Re: Pine for SCO-UNIX Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:46:20 +0300 Message-Id: References: <9411271012.AA10265@RezoNet.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Gunther Anderson wrote: > intrepid@InterLink.NET wrote: > : I would like to obtain a copy of Pine e-mail software for SCO-UNIX. > : Could u please advise me accordingly. > : Harry Marks (intrepid) > > Well, the place I used to have it evaporated, so I've just uploaded it to > another archive for SCO software, odi.cwc.whecn.edu. Anonymous FTP > there. Currently, the package (named pine3.91.sco.bins.tar.gz) rests in > /pub/in-coming, but will get moved before long to something under > /pub/sco-ports. If you have the development kit (including the > developer's version of TCP/IP), you can compile it yourself without any > troubles. I'm also going to upload it to ftp.celestial.com, as soon as I > can figure out where. > > Gunther Anderson > > I have just obtained the pine binaries from the source above. When starting and opening "INBOX", pine exits with messages: Bug in Pine detected: "Abort signal recieved" Exiting Pine. My system is System V/386 Release 3.2 Could you advise me what to do? Sergey Nikolaev. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 05:53:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06343; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:53:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18801; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:49:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rs8.loc.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18795; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:49:11 -0800 Received: by rs8.loc.gov (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39200; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:50:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: "R. Russell Neuswanger" To: pine-info Subject: pine bug Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Suddenly pine thinks I have an interrupted message to continue. (I don't. I had two, and disposed of them; may that be the problem? I've been hearing about such a one ...) It asks me when I sign on if I want to continue, I tell it yes, it discovers there isn't one after all -- and then it tells me some gibberish about not being able to delete my mailbox! R. R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life Edel sei der Mensch, Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance Hilfreich und gut AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP), LC Denn das allein Washington, DC 20540-4120 Unterscheidet ihn ... 202.707.8747 (shared line) -- Goethe rrne@loc.gov or neuswang@mail.loc.gov No teratobibliotic entity avows *my* emanations. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 06:43:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07383; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:43:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17503; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:34:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17497; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:34:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFjdR-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nuonw@sunrise.cs.jmu.edu (waddhana nuon ) Subject: PINE binaries for SCO Unix? Date: 8 Dec 1994 02:13:55 GMT Message-Id: <3c5q53$hnq@doc.jmu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have compiled binaries of PINE for SCO Unix machines? I cannot get the source to compile on our i386 machines at all. Please e-mail me any answers. Thank you. Dana Nuon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 06:51:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07574; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:51:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17663; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:45:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17657; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:45:26 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <26615-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:29:44 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA07065; Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:35:28 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:35:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: MARK A JANKOVITS Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement on Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yes, it is indeed a very good idea. ...and you achieve it using Pine's wonderful Select and Apply commands. The former lets you select all or a subset of messages (email or news). The latter lets you apply a command to the selection (delete, save, print, etc). Try these four keystrokes: ; A ...to select all messages A D ...to apply a delete command to the selection See? Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, MARK A JANKOVITS wrote: > > > I have a suggestion for improvement on the Pine program. > Specifically, an improvement on the Usenet newsreader portion. I > noticed that whenever you subscribe to a new newsgroup you get posting > from months and months back, sometimes there are hundreds on these > unwanted postings. The only way to delete these unwanted postings is > to go through them linearly and delete them. Here's my suggestion: > how about a command that would delete all the posting currently held? > Then, you could read the most current postings and then, with one > stoke > of a key, delete all the old postings you're not interested in. > > The idea I'm suggesting is similar to the 'catch up' command in the > newsreader 'rn'. > > > If you could please reply as to whether this is possible and what > would be needed to inplement that change, it would be greatly appreciated. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the > maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties > Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 06:56:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07686; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:56:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19593; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:50:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19587; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:50:35 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:46:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:46:49 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "R. Russell Neuswanger" Cc: pine-info Subject: Re: pine bug In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, R. Russell Neuswanger wrote: > Suddenly pine thinks I have an interrupted message to continue. > (I don't. I had two, and disposed of them; may that be the problem? I've > been hearing about such a one ...) > It asks me when I sign on if I want to continue, I tell it yes, it > discovers there isn't one after all -- and then it tells me some gibberish > about not being able to delete my mailbox! Look in your configuration for the "postponed-folder" entry and then go to your $HOME/mail directory and rm that file. That will return things to normal. You could also move that file to another file... and keep the other file around in case the pine team wants a look at it to see how it became corrupted. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 07:10:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08293; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:10:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20000; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:05:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tucana.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19994; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:05:39 -0800 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by tucana with SMTP (PP); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:04:53 +0000 Received: from hercules (hercules.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:04:16 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:04:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Cornelius To: Mike Brudenell Cc: MARK A JANKOVITS , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement on Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1636 Status: O X-Status: > ...and you achieve it using Pine's wonderful Select and Apply commands. > The former lets you select all or a subset of messages (email or news). > The latter lets you apply a command to the selection (delete, save, > print, etc). > Try these four keystrokes: > ; A ...to select all messages > A D ...to apply a delete command to the selection Here Mike has used the ; and the A commands. The ; and the A commands (together with the Z command) form Pine's "aggregate command set". The ; command allows you to select all the messages that match some criteria; the A command allows to apply some command to each of the selected messages; and the Z command allows you to zoom in on the selected messages by changing the folder index temporarily so that only these messages are displayed. In order to use any of these commands, you need to have enable-aggregate-command-set included in the setting of the feature-list variable. To do this, go to the Main Menu, press S followed by C. You should now be in the Config Screen. Now move the cursor down to the line containing: [ ] enable-aggregate-command-set If there is no X between the [ and ], press X. You should now have: [X] enable-aggregate-command-set Press E to leave the Config Screen. You should now be able to use the ; A and Z commands. -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 Academic Support Group, IT Service, IT Service Office: 374 2892 Science Site, University of Durham, Fax: 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 08:46:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10969; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:46:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20767; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:54:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20761; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:54:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFkvx-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Signature and Finger FAQ Date: 8 Dec 1994 14:47:57 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Archive-name: signature_finger_faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 31 October 1994 _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | SIGNATURE AND FINGER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS | / \ | Telling the World Who You Are | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 About this Article ... 0.1 Copyright Notice ... 0.2 Acknowledgements ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions ... 1.1 Pine 3.90 and Above ... 1.2 Pine 3.89 and Below ... 1.3 Elm ... 1.4 Mail ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode ... 1.6 MH and Emacs MH-E ... 1.7 NN ... 1.8 GNUS ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project ... 2.4 Finding Out Who Fingers You ... 2.5 Backfinger Script ... 2.6 Interesting Places to Finger 3.0 Putting Ascii Art in your Signature and Finger Files 4.0 Organization Header ... 4.1 Tin and the RN Family ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Above ... 4.3 Elm ... 4.4 NN 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 About this Article This article describes these three ways to tell people on the Internet more about yourself: * Signature file automatically included in your mail and news messages * Finger information displayed when people finger you * Organization line in your mail and news headers ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. This collection of articles is first published in 1994 and is copyrighted by Nancy McGough (except subjects 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, and 2.5 which are Copyright (c) 1994 by the authors named in the sections). No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the authors. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Acknowledgements + means someone who is new since the last time I posted this FAQ (i.e., since 16 September 1994). Thanks to these people who contributed digest items: Jym Dyer Mike Northam + Janet Rosenbaum Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: + Jeff Blaine Stephen Cristol + Terry Gray + Sven Guckes + Mary McGough David L Miller + Skip Montanaro David W. Tamkin Sid Weinstein Thanks to these people who've written documents, programs, or asii art that are pointed to in this article. (This list is not complete right now....) + Bob Allison + Jorn Barger + Piero Serini + Doug Stevenson + Bill Wohler + Scott A. Yanoff Special thanks to: + Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! Please let me know if I've left you, or anyone else, out of this list. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation Term Meaning ==== ======= FTP File Transfer Protocol HTML HyperText Markup Language HTTP HyperText Transport Protocol RFC Internet Request For Comments Document URL Uniform Resource Locator ^x Hold down the Ctrl key and the x key at the same time ~ your home directory $HOME (see * below) * In this article I use ~ (tilde) to mean your home directory. Note that some shells, like the Bourne shell (sh) and Bourne-again shell (bash), do not understand the tilde notation so you will need to use $HOME instead. You can always get to your home directory by typing ``cd''. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article If this article is over two months old then there is probably an updated version of it in all the usual archives. Please get the latest version from one of these places: World Wide Web (the nicest format for online reading!): http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html Anonymous FTP: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq Email: Send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu containing the following: send usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq UUCP: uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to view the hypertext version using a Web browser such as Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape, WinWeb, or Cello. This will allow you to easily jump: * between subjects in this article * to a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) * to an Internet Request For Comments document (RFC) * to a manual page This and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article If you are reading the plain text version (i.e., not the hypertext version) of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format which means each subject is formatted as a mini mail message with its own Date, From, and Subject (and sometimes Followup-To) headers. Some newsreaders and mailers make it really easy to jump to a subject in an article that is in digest format. Here are instruction for some newsreaders: * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split a digested article by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g (Ctrl key and g key pressed simultaneously) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For example, here's what you would do in Tin while viewing the article: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe a Specify the article is to be piped formail -ds >> ~/Folders/faq.split Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a file named ~/Folders/faq.split. (Replace ~/Folders with your folder directory.) pine -if ~/Folders/faq.split Use Pine to read the newly created folder. For more information see the formail(1) and procmail(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions Q: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my news articles and mail messages? A: The answer depends on your newsreader and mailer but the following procedure works for many Unix newsreaders and mailers. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Change to your home directory (i.e., $HOME or ~) pico .signature Use the pico editor to create a .signature file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) Note that most systems require your sig to be <= 4 lines. And it's good netiquette to make it as short as possible. In Pico use ^x to exit and answer y when asked if you want to save your changes. chmod 644 .signature Make .signature readable by all. ls -l .signature Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). ls -la . Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. For many newsreaders and mailers this is all you need to do to set up your signature. For example the default behaviour of tin(1) and the rn family of tools - rn(1), trn(1), strn(1), & Pnews(1) - is to automatically append ~/.signature, if it exists. If you use Pine, Elm, Mail, Emacs Mail Mode, MH, NN, or GNUS follow the additional instructions described below. After you've set everything up use your mailer to mail a test message to yourself, and your newsreader and/or news poster (such as nnpost or Pnews) to post an article to a test newsgroup (use a local newsgroup and Distribution set to ``local'' to save bandwidth). Note that with many newsreaders and mailers you will not see your signature while you are composing a message - it will be automaticlally appended when you send the message. Note also that many systems add a line that contains ``-- '' to the top of your sig. This is used by programs that automatically deal with mail or news to identify the start of the signature. If you have a problem with your sig see section 1.9 on Troubleshooting. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.1 Pine 3.90 and Above Followup-To: comp.mail.pine The default for Pine 3.90 and above is to automatically append .signature (if it exists) to your messages. Many people like to set the signature-at-bottom variable which will put your signature below both your message and the message you are replying to (if you've included it). Note that if you are forwarding a message your signature will be put below the message that you write but above the forwarded message. To change Pine's signature features: 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the signature-at-bottom feature: a) Space bar and arrow down to the signature-at-bottom variable b) Type x to set/unset this variable. 4. To change the name of your signature file: a) Arrow down to the signature-file line b) Type c for Change Value c) Type the path and name of the file you want to use for your signature. Note that ~ can be used for your $HOME directory. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.2 Pine 3.89 and Below Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Pine 3.89 often want to edit their ~/.pinerc file so that it contains the following: feature-list=signature-at-bottom If you want more than one feature in your feature-list then they need to be comma separated like this: feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom Note that Pine's default is to use ~/.signature for your signature so you only need to edit the following line if you are using a different file. signature-file= SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Elm should edit their ~/.elm/elmrc file so that it contains the following: signature = ~/.signature sigdashes = ON Remember to delete any # characters before any variables you want to set. The defaults are indicated in comment lines starting with ###. Note that if you want to have a different signature for local mail (i.e., addresses that don't contain a ! or @) then you can use the localsignature and remotesignature variables instead of the signature variable (which specifies one sig for all mail). SEE ALSO ======== Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:40 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.4 Mail Followup-To: comp.mail.misc By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Regular Unix "Mail" and "mail" don't have an automatic signature mechanism. Many people who normally use a more deluxe mail utility occasionally find themselves resorting to using one of these, in which case all you need to know is this command: ~r $HOME/.signature This simply tells Mail to include the text of the your signature file. =o= If you use Mail on a regular basis you may want to use the semi-automatic signature feature. When you're done typing your message, you append a signature with this command: ~a =o= In order for this to work, though, you need to set the "sign" mail variable. There are two ways to implement this variable. The first is to set it in a $HOME/.mailrc file with a command like this: set sign="Jym Dyer " If your signature is more than one line long, you can use the C language string syntax, as in these examples: set sign="Jym Dyer\n" -or- set sign="Jym Dyer\ \n" =o= The disadvantage of doing this in your .mailrc file is that you now have to maintain the text of your signature in two places. Another approach that avoids this problem is to set "sign" as an environment variable in your shell startup script. For a Bourne-compatible shell, this is done with this command: sign="`cat $HOME/.signature`" export sign For a C-shell, do this: setenv sign "`cat $HOME/.signature`" SEE ALSO ======== Manual pages: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:50 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Emacs Mail Mode is usually invoked with the "mail" or "mail-other-window" commands (bound, respectively, to the "C-x m" and "C-x 4 m" keys by default). It is also invoked from various Emacs mail and news packages. =o= Mail Mode provides a "mail-signature" command to append the contents of your signature file to the end of your mail message. This command is bound to "C-c C-w" by default, so to insert the signature before mailing, simply type "C-c "C-w". =o= If you'd prefer to have your signature automatically appended to the end of your mail message, the "mail-signature" command can be put into your "mail-setup-hook" variable in your $HOME/.emacs file, as in this example: (setq mail-setup-hook (function (lambda () (mail-signature) ))) This will put the signature in your mail message buffer. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:60 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.6 MH and Emacs MH-E Followup-To: comp.mail.mh By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= MH doesn't have an automatic signature mechanism, but it is so configurable that there are a number of different ways to implement one. Check the periodic "MH Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) with Answers" posting for details. =o= CAVEAT: If you use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to your signature file, MH will use it not as a signature, but as your "fullname". Even worse, if your version of MH was built with the "UCI" option and you *don't* use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to another file, MH will use the $HOME/.signature file for this purpose! To see if your version of MH has this behavior, enter this command: % send -help And look for the string "[UCI]" in the output. =o= There's an Emacs interface to MH, called MH-E. It has its own signature mechanism, which is invoked with the "mh-insert- signature" command (bound to the "C-c C-s" keys by default). =o= This will insert the file $HOME/.signature file by default. If your signature file has another name (e.g., to avoid its being used by an MH build with the "UCI" option), you can set the "mh-signature-file-name" variable to refer to a different file. SEE ALSO ======== MH FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html MH Manual: mh(1) MH Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:70 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.7 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of NN should edit their ~/.nn/init file so that it contains the following: set query-signature off set append-signature-mail on set append-signature-post offf Note that the reason that you need to ``set append-signature-post off'' is that the news posting software (usually inews) automatically appends ~/.signature if it exists. If you ``set append-signature-post on'' then both nn and inews append your sig and you'll send out two identical sigs every time. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:80 GMT From: Mike Northam Subject: ... 1.8 GNUS Followup-To: gnu.emacs.gnus Copyright (c) 1994 Mike Northam In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of GNUS should verify that the value of the variable gnus-signature-file points to the right place. If you're in emacs, you can do so by evaluating the following expression: gnus-signature-file ^ put your cursor here and type C-x C-e you should see "~/.signature" in the echo area. If not, edit your $HOME/.emacs file and add the following: (setq gnus-signature-file "~/.signature")) Then load your $HOME/.emacs file or merely restart emacs and the variable should be set correctly. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html Newsgroup: gnu.emacs.gnus ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:90 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems A common problem people have with .signature (and .plan, .project, and .forward ) files is that the permissions are not set correctly. Check to make sure that you have set the permissions as instructed in 1.0 above. If you are still having problems read the man pages for your newsreader, news poster, or mailer and search for the string "signature". There may be a variable you need to set in order for the ~/.signature to be appended. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- man CommandName |less Open man pages for CommandName (elm, pine, nn, tin trn, Pnews, etc.) and pipe through less. If your system doesn't have less replace it with "more". /signature Search for first occurrence of "signature". n Search for next occurrence of "signature". Repeat the search until you find the appropriate section of the manual. u Page up half a screen. (This works in less but not in more.) [spacebar] Page down a screen. (This works in both less and more.) For more information on reading manual pages see the man(1), less(1), and/or more(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions People around the world can find out more about you by fingering you. This is done by typing the following at a Unix prompt: finger YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name On some systems finger is linked to f so the following also works: f YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name Finger displays different information on different systems. Often it will display your full name, your default shell, when your were last logged on, and your ~/.plan and ~/.project files. If you finger someone and the display takes more than one page you can pipe the output through less (or more if you don't have less). For example to find out about Halcyon, my Internet service provider, type: finger info@halcyon.com |less ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering In addition to using the finger or f command you can finger people through a Web browser. The following is a form that Doug Stevenson created: http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/finger.pl You can also use this URL: gopher://fully.qualified.domain.name:79/0userid ^ Note: 0 precedes the userid For example you can finger my Internet service provider with this URL: gopher://halcyon.com:79/0info ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn On many Unix systems you can change some of your default information, such as your full name, by typing the following at your Unix prompt: chfn If chfn is not available try "passwd -f". If neither of these are available then you will need to contact your system administrator and ask him/her to change your full name, etc. After you have changed your information check that they are in place by fingering yourself. Also to see a different display of your information type the following at your Unix prompt: finger This displays a one line description of everyone currently logged on your system. For more information see the chfn(1), passwd(1), and finger(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project Your ~/.project and ~/.plan files, if they exist, are displayed when you are fingered. Setting these up is essentially the same as setting up a ~/.signature file (described in 1.0 above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Change to your home directory. pico .plan Use the pico editor to create a .plan file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) chmod 644 .plan Make .plan readable by all. ls -l .plan Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x. The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each. ls -la . Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. If you want a .project file follow the same procedure. Note that only the first line of the .project is displayed (so you might as well only make it one line!). To test your changes finger yourself by type each of the following at your Unix prompt: finger YourUserID finger YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name To ensure that people from other systems can finger you should ask someone who's not on your system to finger you too. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.4 Finding Out Who Fingers You This is complicated - and sometimes impossible - to setup. For details see the news.answers article ``Unix - Frequently Asked Questions (4/7) [Frequent posting]'', subject ``4.9) How do I keep track of people who are fingering me?'' This article is archived in a number of places including these two URLs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/unix-faq/faq/part4/faq-doc-9.html ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/unix-faq/faq/part4 One easy thing that you can do to see if anyone has fingered you is type the following at your Unix prompt: ls -lu $HOME/.plan This tells you the last time someone accessed your .plan, but it doesn't tell you who it was. I have this in my .login because it's interesting to see when the last time someone was checking on me! [Note that under AFS (Andrew File System, a distributed filesystem), ls -lu $HOME/.plan will not work due to the fact that AFS has no notion of ``atime'', or ``last accessed time''.] ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:50 GMT From: Janet Rosenbaum Subject: ... 2.5 Backfinger Script Copyright (c) 1994 Janet Rosenbaum There is a script available called, among other things, backfinger, planner, and finger_logger (flogger or frogger, for short). This script makes your plan into a named pipe (just think of this as a sort of pipe used with plumbing that opens out onto the screen of the person who is fingering you (fred)) so that when it is accessed, it looks for a program from which to get something to stick on fred's screen. The script is called when you are fingered. At that moment, it looks to the finger port of your unix machine and sees which machine fred is on, logs that machine's IP number and hostname, and the date. The script can then execute a command to spit a plan out on fred's screen. (One might get creative and write a program that generates random poetry or use the fortune program or just do "cat plan_file".) To make fred think you are really cool, it also tells him what machine he is fingering you from. Some caveats: -- This program must be running at all times on your system even when you are logged out. Leaving a background process like this annoys most sys admins to no end, especially on systems with high load. Do **not** run the program unless you are sure that you are allowed to run background processes like this. -- Also, if you decide you want to stop running this program, remove your .plan file as soon as you kill the process. If you do not do this, all finger processes for you will hang. -- This script only tells you the machine fred is fingering you from, not his actual username. It is nearly impossible to get this information except at sites with bad security. Given the above, I will distribute the script to those who can use it, mostly for educational reasons. I admit that I no longer run the program, since my two main accounts are on rather high-load systems. Nevertheless, I learned quite a lot from modifying these scripts and otherwise playing with these ideas. Here is the web site: http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~jrosen/scripts/logger.src I will also try to post this answer and the program to comp.sources.misc at least monthly for those without web access. (For those who have not figured out the web, try the program lynx if you are on a vt100 or vt220 type terminal. If you are on an xterm or hpterm, look for xmosaic.) Note: I am not the author of this program. The version I distribute is virtually identical to that distributed by Steve Franklin. Here are the real authors: Author: Tony Rems Modifications by Geoff Loker More modifications by Karen Bruner Even more modifications by Norman Franke More revisions by Steve Franklin Llamas and minor revision by The Blue One Enjoy! Janet ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.6 Interesting Places to Finger Scott Yanoff's "Updated Internet Services List" contains a number of interesting places to finger. If you access it through the following URL all the finger commands are links. http://www.uwm.edu/Mirror/inet.services.html ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 Putting Ascii Art in your Signature and Finger Files , \ / , / \ )\__/( / \ / \ (_\ /_) / \ ____/_____\__\@ @/___/_____\____ | |\../| | | \VV/ | | HAPPY HALLOWEEN! | |_________________________________| | /\ / \\ \ /\ | | / V )) V \ | |/ ` // ' \| Art by Jorn Barger ` V ' It is considered good netiquette to keep your signature to four lines or less. And many news posters, like inews, will not post an article that has a signature with more than four lines in it. So, put large pictures, your life story, etc. in your finger files or in your Web pages and point people to them in your signature. A good source of art for your signature and finger files is the ascii art FAQ which contains (among others) these topics: 9 Where can I find ASCII art? 22 How do I put an animation in my plan? 23 How do I make a sig? 24 How do I have my sig automatically added to my posts and email? The Ascii Art FAQ can be found at either of the following. (I think these aren't the same so you might want to look at both of them.) http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/faq.html http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ascii-art-faq/faq.html One particularly good place to find ascii art is: http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/scarecrow.html SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroups: rec.arts.ascii, alt.ascii-art, alt.binaries.pictures.ascii and alt.ascii-art.animation ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Organization Header The Organization header in news and mail messages is another way you can tell people about yourself. It is an optional header described in section 2.2.8 of RFC1036, "Standard for Interchange of Usenet Messages." ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.1 Tin and the RN Family Followup-To: news.newusers.questions Tin and the rn family of tools (Pnews, rn, trn, strn) get information for the Organization header from the ORGANIZATION environment variable if it exists. In the csh or tcsh you can set this variable in your ~/.login with a line like this: setenv ORGANIZATION "Your Organization Name" After you edit your ~/.login you can establish the setting by either logging out and loggin back in or by typing the following at your Unix prompt: source ~/.login To check that the variable is set type: printenv After it is set, post a test message to a local test newsgroup with local distribution to check that the Organization header is correct. SEE ALSO ======== Manual Pages: tin(1), Pnews(1), rn(1), trn(1), strn(1) Newsgroup: news.newusers.questions ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Above Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In Pine 3.90 or above you set the Organization and other headers using the customized-hdrs variable. 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the customized-hdrs variable: a) Space bar and arrow down to the customized-hdrs variable. b) Type a for Add Value c) At the prompt type: Organization: Your Organization Name Note that if you have set the ORGANIZATION environment variable (which is described in 4.1 above) you can type: Organization: $ORGANIZATION While reading a message that you've received you can view the Organization header and all the other headers by typing h. If h does not work you need to go to your configuration menu and set the enable-full-header-cmd variable. Note that the customized-hdrs variable is not available in Pine 3.89 and below. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm Use your editor to create a file named ~/.elm/elmheaders that contains any headers you'd like in your outgoing mail messages. For example, my ~/.elm/elmheaders file contains this one line: Organization: Infinite Ink, Seattle, WA, USA SEE ALSO ======== Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.4 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn Use your editor to put the following lines in your ~/.nn/init file: set news-header Organization: Your Organization Name set mail-header Organization: Your Organization Name This will add the Organization header to both news and mail messages sent from NN. While reading messages with NN you can view the Organization line by adding O (the letter "oh") to your header-lines variable setting. I like the following setting: set header-lines AFOnWK*Y SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:05:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please send them to me at nancym@ii.com. If you are reading this with a viewer that understands the following URL you can use it to send me mail: mailto:nancym@ii.com End of signature_finger_faq Digest ********************************** -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough | http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink | ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 08:47:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11030; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:47:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19747; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:40:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19741; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:40:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFlah-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hsgold@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Harry S. Gold) Subject: cmsg cancel <3c4vli$522@news.ycc.yale.edu> Control: cancel <3c4vli$522@news.ycc.yale.edu> Date: 8 Dec 1994 04:13:38 GMT Message-Id: <3c615i$ie1@news.ycc.yale.edu> Status: O X-Status: Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 09:06:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12346; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:06:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20291; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20285; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFltN-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Sending Hungarian messages in Pine-MIME Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I would like to send Hungarian messages back and forth between two persons in the states. Probably all I need is the address of an FTP file. I know how to make the files in Wordperfect and how to download them to my home directory, and probably how to attach them to PINE. But I don't know which option to pick, how to unpack, or anything else relevant. Can anybody help me? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 09:07:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12415; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:07:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22311; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22305; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFlwt-00000EC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Expanding Speller Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:30:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to add words to the Speller, so that it doesn't stop every time on, say "panix.com?" __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 09:07:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12444; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:07:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22303; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22297; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFltj-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: undigest Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:14:14 GMT Message-Id: <3c552m$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mz. Nancy McGough with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 6 Dec 1994 21:35:27 GMT: + I agree it would be great to be able to deal with an index of attachments + the same way that you deal with a regular folder index, e.g., to be able to + forward, respond to, or delete individual attachments. That will be the day. Cutting edge s/w technology...:) + I have a question about how best to format my FAQs so that someone + who uses Pine as his newsreader can easily choose the subjects he's + interested in. If I format each digest item like this: ......... + Will Pine users be able to view the index by typing V? + Is this the best strategy for posting digests so Pine users + can read them? Although this would be very nice, there are many people who still use older vers. of Pine. So the FAQ might run into newsgroup-option/mime version compatibility problems. How about one MIME digest ver, and the other a regular ver.? :) -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 09:56:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14861; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:56:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21738; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:50:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21732; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:50:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFmji-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@coho.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: Re: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver Date: 8 Dec 1994 15:03:15 GMT Message-Id: <3c777j$iqe@news.halcyon.com> References: <3c4n9l$715@martha.utk.edu> Status: O X-Status: bdearden@utk.edu (Boyd Dearden) writes: >I have tried to get PC-Pine 3.91 with packet driver to work with the NCSA >packet drivers. Everything seems to work except that I can not connect to >the Host computer. Does anyone have ideas of what needs to be in the >CONFIG.TEL file to solve this problem. Is the host running IMAP? SPECFICALLY what problems are you seeing and what is/is not happening? -- Northwest NEXUS, Inc. takes Internet OUT of the box! info@nwnexus.wa.com, finger info@halcyon.com, or: http://www.halcyon.com / +1 206 455 3505 voice From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 10:16:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15568; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:16:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24021; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:10:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24015; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:10:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFn1f-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:53:27 GMT Message-Id: <3c53rn$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Dieter Britz with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:42:08 +0100: + Having subscribed to 6 groups, I now get to see only those 6. How do I + access the list of ALL groups, and how can I get that list into a file, + so I can print it and read it at home at my leisure? Goto the (L)ist screen, then choose the Newsgroups group list. Hit A to subscribe to groups, then hit control-t for all newsgroups. You will see the complete list...(S)ubscribe to the ones you want and (E)xit. Enjoy! The group list is/will be stored in a file called ".newsrc" in your home dir. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 10:19:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15835; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:19:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22345; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:15:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22339; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:15:38 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24685; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:15:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Neil Le Quesne Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: not reading .addressbook In-Reply-To: <3c6esd$v57@adam.com.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The address book code was almost completely rewritten for 3.90 and some incompatibilities showed up. In fact, there were some serious address book problems with 3.90, ranging from not being able to read address books that worked with 3.89 to some cases where address book data was destroyed. 3.91 is much better than 3.90 with regards to address book bugs and other bugs, as well. 3.92 will be even better, I think. All of these versions were *supposed* to be backwards-compatible with previous versions of the address book. If it still isn't, that's a bug and we'd really like to know about it. If anyone has an address book that 3.91 can't read please send a bug report, including the addressbook as an attachment if possible. (3.90+ did introduce a new file, .addressbook.lu, that wasn't in previous versions. This file should be built and maintained automatically. You should be able to remove that file and it will come back by itself. When it creates that file it isn't creating a new addressbook, just a lookup file for the same old address book. The lookup file's purpose is to allow us to support large address books without slowing things down and without using lots of memory.) Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 8 Dec 1994, Neil Le Quesne wrote: > Mark A. Stephan (markstep@engin.umich.edu) wrote: > : When I switched versions of pine, I realized that the new pine was not > : accepting the old addressbook, and was trying to create a new one. Anyone > : get this problem? > > Interesting that you mention this. Just a few minutes ago I was discussing > Pine with the sysop on my system, and was advised that we would not be > upgrading to Pine 3.91 because it was not backwards-compatible (ie. will > not read old addressbook and other user-configurable elements). I'd love > to know if this can be overcome. Anyway..thought you might be interested :) > > Neil Le Quesne > Managing Partner > Asian Trade Links > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > A S I A N T R A D E L I N K S > > Linking Australia & Asia in Trade > > 3/237 Belair Road, Torrens Park, SA, Australia, 5062 > Phone/Fax: 61 (8) 374-1130 E-Mail: atl-aust@adam.com.au > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > -- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 10:30:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16186; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:30:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22574; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:25:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22568; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:25:33 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24991; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:24:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:24:10 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Paul Bloomquist Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how do you disable KBLock function in pine? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Create the /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed file containing the line: feature-list=disable-keyboard-lock-cmd Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Paul Bloomquist wrote: > How does one disable the KBLock function, we are using pine on an rs6000 > running AIX. Pine is our default mail program, and the KBLock feature is > not desired in our lab. > > Thanks for the replies, > > -Paul > > P.S. please reply via E-Mail to pbloomqu@westmx.westmont.edu > > _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ / //// Westmont College / > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ / 0 0 Santa Barbara, CA / > _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ /o00--()--00o---------------/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ /-|- Paul Bloomquist / > _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ / | pbloomqu@westmont.edu / > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 13:05:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24217; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:05:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26409; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:50:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26403; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:50:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFpRA-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bdearden@utk.edu (Boyd Dearden) Subject: Re: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver Date: 8 Dec 1994 17:11:16 GMT Message-Id: <3c7enk$hmh@martha.utk.edu> References: <3c777j$iqe@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: In message <3c777j$iqe@news.halcyon.com> - ralphs@coho.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes: >SPECFICALLY what problems are you seeing and what is/is not happening? > PC-Pine executes and when connecting to the INBOX on the server it comes back with a host not found error. I have been successful in seting PC-Pine up to run with FTP Inc. but not with the packet drivers. IMAPD is runnig. Boyd Dearden Stat. & Comp. Serv. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 13:19:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24714; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:19:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28436; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:06:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from idp.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28427; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:06:38 -0800 Received: by idp.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19644; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:08:30 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:08:30 +1000 (AEST) From: Shane Herring To: pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: UNSUBSCRIBE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 14:10:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26657; Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:10:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29695; Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:05:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29689; Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:05:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFqfW-00000EC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ecmsf@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Mary S. Freeman) Subject: sent-mail Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:24:00 GMT Message-Id: <3c55l0$qii@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Status: O X-Status: I don't have a lot of space left on my school account. I tried to just delete sent-mail file. Without a sent-mail file pine will not send my mail. is there any way to fix that? Susan f. -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 15:40:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00597; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:40:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01766; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:35:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01760; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:35:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFs4w-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Suggestion for ; Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:33:00 GMT Message-Id: <3c565s$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Brad with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:19:17 +0000: + How about, as well as being able to Zoom in on selected messages, to + be able to *Hide* them? I sometime want to be able to hide all mailing list + messages, for example, so that I can easily read just personal mail. How about this key sequence: ; T ^T Z ; Selection T Text ^T Control-T(Go to the first *personal* mail which is marked + and then hit control-t to select those addressed specifically to you) Z Zoom the personal mail messages. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 16:41:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03191; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:41:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01642; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:36:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01636; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:36:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFt3t-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Re: 8BIT capable Chinese Pine Date: 8 Dec 1994 18:48:28 GMT Message-Id: <3c7kds$h9o@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Zaher Hammoud (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: : for those interested in a 8BIT capable Chinese Pine, check out : ftp://g834315.HUNG.AB.nthu.edu.tw/pub/cpine3.91.readme.first This is a wrong URL.... :( Could you please double check it? Thanks!! Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 16:45:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03363; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:45:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03319; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:42:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03307; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:42:04 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:38:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:38:20 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Wet-Sprocket Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? In-Reply-To: <3c53rn$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 7 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: > Comes here Mr. Dieter Britz with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:42:08 +0100: > > + Having subscribed to 6 groups, I now get to see only those 6. How do I > + access the list of ALL groups, and how can I get that list into a file, > + so I can print it and read it at home at my leisure? > > Goto the (L)ist screen, then choose the Newsgroups group list. Hit A to > subscribe to groups, then hit control-t for all newsgroups. You will see the > complete list...(S)ubscribe to the ones you want and (E)xit. Enjoy! > > The group list is/will be stored in a file called ".newsrc" in your home dir. > I think you misunderstood the question slightly. (Or my pine works a bit different than yours.) I believe the original poster wanted to see the entire list of newsgroups that were available placed in a file so that he could read at his leisure. While the method you describe does *show* all the groups on the screen....it only saves the ones you've subscribed to in the .newsrc file. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 17:43:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06209; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:43:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04660; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:40:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04654; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:40:11 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:36:25 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:36:24 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Henry Kuo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 8BIT capable Chinese Pine In-Reply-To: <3c7kds$h9o@agate.berkeley.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 8 Dec 1994, Henry Kuo wrote: > Zaher Hammoud (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: > : for those interested in a 8BIT capable Chinese Pine, check out > > : ftp://g834315.HUNG.AB.nthu.edu.tw/pub/cpine3.91.readme.first > > This is a wrong URL.... :( > > Could you please double check it? Thanks!! I was able to get to it using the above information. What problem are you seeing? Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 18:10:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07193; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:10:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05138; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:06:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from idp.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05130; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:06:39 -0800 Received: by idp.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08264; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:08:48 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:08:47 +1000 (AEST) From: Shane Herring To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 18:21:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07482; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:21:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05338; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:17:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05332; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:17:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFua3-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: Re: 8BIT capable Chinese Pine Date: 8 Dec 1994 19:24:34 GMT Message-Id: <3c7mhi$dbl@news.bu.edu> References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> <3c7kds$h9o@agate.berkeley.edu> Status: O X-Status: try IP address 140.114.202.26 Henry Kuo (hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu) wrote: : Zaher Hammoud (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: : : for those interested in a 8BIT capable Chinese Pine, check out : : ftp://g834315.HUNG.AB.nthu.edu.tw/pub/cpine3.91.readme.first : This is a wrong URL.... :( : Could you please double check it? Thanks!! : Henry -- EMAIL: butta1@bu.edu CIIP: nchin@hnt.com OTHER: GWBV10E@prodigy.com CCIC: cyl@ifcss.org GEF: rblac.gefnet@undp.org NAME: NELSON CHIN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 19:07:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08729; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:07:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04263; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:02:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [203.5.73.2] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04257; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:01:56 -0800 Received: from eve.adam.com.au (adam.com.au [203.2.124.1]) by goliath.camtech.com.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA08197; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:31:37 +1030 Received: (from atl-aust@localhost) by eve.adam.com.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA22772; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:33:00 +1030 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:33:00 +57100 From: Neil Le Quesne Subject: Re: not reading .addressbook To: Steve Hubert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Steve Hubert wrote: > The address book code was almost completely rewritten for 3.90 and some > incompatibilities showed up. In fact, there were some serious address > book problems with 3.90, ranging from not being able to read address books > that worked with 3.89 to some cases where address book data was destroyed. > 3.91 is much better than 3.90 with regards to address book bugs and other > bugs, as well. 3.92 will be even better, I think. All of these versions > were *supposed* to be backwards-compatible with previous versions of the > address book. If it still isn't, that's a bug and we'd really like to know > about it. If anyone has an address book that 3.91 can't read please send > a bug report, including the addressbook as an attachment if possible. > > (3.90+ did introduce a new file, .addressbook.lu, that wasn't in previous > versions. This file should be built and maintained automatically. You > should be able to remove that file and it will come back by itself. When > it creates that file it isn't creating a new addressbook, just a lookup > file for the same old address book. The lookup file's purpose is to > allow us to support large address books without slowing things down and > without using lots of memory.) > > Steve Hubert > Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle > Many thanks for your comments. I'll pass this on to our sysop, and hopefully he will attempt to resolve the problem with you. Cheers, Neil Le Quesne. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 19:14:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08981; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:14:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04467; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:11:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04461; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:11:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFvVA-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: pine 3.91 message Date: 8 Dec 1994 12:26:31 GMT Message-Id: <3c6u1n$cl3@news.ysu.edu> References: <3c5c00$rlk@news.cc.ucf.edu> Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, jim@pegasus (Jim Ennis) says: >When I send mail in Pine 3.91, I get the message 'Writing Fcc'. In pine 3.89 >I get the (preferred message) 'Sending mail'. How do I change the message >in pine 3.91 to the older message? Pine does give you both messages, except the ``sending'' apppears first. Then Pine writes the folder copy. This appears to be the reverse of the way earlier Pines would first write the copy, then try sending the mail. I notice this because I write my fcc via IMAP over a slow link, and also use the SMTP client function of Pine, so both can take a bit of time. First, Pine verifies that the fcc can be written (opening the IMAP link, etc.), then sends the message, then writes the fcc, giving you the chance to correct any errors in specifying fcc, and also not writing your copy until the message actually did get sent. Previously, with a *very* old Pine set to talk SMTP, I could be talking to a SMTP server which wouldn't acknowledge me in the time I was given, so the message wouldn't be sent, but I would still have the fcc written. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 19:29:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09267; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:29:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06330; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:26:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06324; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:26:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFvhg-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 "cannot unpack 8-bit encoding"? huh? Date: 8 Dec 1994 12:41:44 GMT Message-Id: <3c6uu8$d4q@news.ysu.edu> References: <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) says: >Then I tried to read a NON-encoded, i.e. "Content-Transfer-Encoding: >8-bit" message in the same character set and pine balks. It won't >display the message, and the multipart viewer claims it doesn't know >how to unpack 8-bit encoding. Pine is capable of handling properly tagged C-T-E=8BIT messages. However, it will say that it does not know how to display messages with a C-T-E of 8BIT, but a charset of US-ASCII. I guess that is what you have gotten. One shouldn't be sending out 8-bit messages tagged as US-ASCII, but on the other hand, since no matter whether the text is truly ASCII or some 8-bit character set, it could simply be passed to the display for viewing, my gut feeling is that Pine here should be forgiving, in the ``be liberal about what you accept but conservative in what you send out'' philosophy. I have had this happen to me, hacking such headers into mail without thinking about what I was doing and having Pine complain, but Pine has never had difficulty displaying C-T-E=8BIT text when tagged as ISO-8859-1 or KOI8-R or VIDEOTEX-SUPPL or whatever you happen to be using. Only when said text arrives claiming to be US-ASCII does Pine take notice. At the same time, I've had Pine display the 7-bit equivalent of what had been 8-bit text when the path has not been fully 8-bit clean, in the case of reading the KOI8-R relcom news articles from a news server that doesn't feel it important to preserve the 8th bit, so don't expect that simply by putting a C-T-E=8BIT header in your news or mail, that the 8th bit will be preserved. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 21:21:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11440; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:21:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07933; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:18:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07927; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:18:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFxQ0-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 20:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@hal10k.com (Top Dog) Subject: Pine can't write config file Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 06:47:19 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am having trouble with Pine3.91 writing to my .pinerc file and to a temp file to send mail. Although it can post to the nntp server. I am at a loss. I have checked my permissions on this file and it is correct. I am using Linux and sendmail. When pine starts it tells me 'can't write to .pinerc, unknown error. When I choose 'S' and configure 'C' to setup pine, after I exit the configuration I get the same error. When I try to compose mail i get 'can't write to tmp file to send mail' or something to that effect. I don't know what the problem is. I don't have this problem with pine3.89. If anyone has any ideas please email me. I will reply using another program. Thanks Andre -- ______________________________________________________________________ __ ___ _ __ __ __ __ /\ \ /\_ \ /' \ /'__`\ /'__`\ /'__`\ /'__`\ \ \ \___ __ \//\ \ /\_, \/\ \/\ \ /\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \ \ \ _ `\ /'__`\ \ \ \ \/_/\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\.\_ \_\ \_ \ \ \ \ \_\ \__\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\/\____\ \ \_\ \____/\ \\ \____/\ \____/\ \____/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/\/____/ \/_/\/___/\ \/ \/___/ \/___/ \/___/ \/ Running Linux v1.1.56 - The best unix since Unix giving power back to the people. Andre Bell root@hal10k.com Baton Rouge, LA abell@hal10k.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 21:23:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11489; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:23:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06194; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:17:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06188; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:17:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFxPt-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 20:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andre Bell Subject: test Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 05:39:21 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am having trouble with pine3.91. It won't write to the config file. I am using linux and zlibc.so.4.6.20. Please help. ______________________________________________________________________ __ ___ _ __ __ __ __ /\ \ /\_ \ /' \ /'__`\ /'__`\ /'__`\ /'__`\ \ \ \___ __ \//\ \ /\_, \/\ \/\ \ /\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \ \ \ _ `\ /'__`\ \ \ \ \/_/\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\.\_ \_\ \_ \ \ \ \ \_\ \__\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\/\____\ \ \_\ \____/\ \\ \____/\ \____/\ \____/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/\/____/ \/_/\/___/\ \/ \/___/ \/___/ \/___/ \/ Running Linux v1.1.56 - The best unix since Unix giving power back to the people. Andre Bell root@hal10k.com Baton Rouge, LA abell@hal10k.com [A From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 21:57:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12211; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:57:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08399; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:52:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08325; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:48:21 -0800 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA03294; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:41:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:11:12 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Rochberg X-Sender: rr@spock To: Arts and Sciences Computing Consultant Subject: to pass on to the gods of pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:39:15 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: A&S NeXT Lab Consultant Resent-To: Hussain Chinoy Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:40:47 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: GH Chinoy Resent-To: pine-info@artsci.wustl.edu Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:41:38 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: GH Chinoy Resent-To: Pine Info List Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: the instructions for editing distribution lists in the address book are incomplete. to edit an entry in the list can be done but you have to hit return at the first edit option to get to that state...that isn't clear in the instructions From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 22:14:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12674; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:14:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08681; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:12:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08675; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:12:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFyJa-00000EC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 "cannot unpack 8-bit encoding"? huh? Date: 8 Dec 1994 13:07:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3c7i0h$i8g@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> References: <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> <3c6uu8$d4q@news.ysu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3c6uu8$d4q@news.ysu.edu>, Barry Bouwsma wrote: > > In a previous article, steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) says: > > >Then I tried to read a NON-encoded, i.e. "Content-Transfer-Encoding: > >8-bit" message in the same character set and pine balks. It won't > >display the message, and the multipart viewer claims it doesn't know > >how to unpack 8-bit encoding. > > Pine is capable of handling properly tagged C-T-E=8BIT messages. You are entirely correct, as was Mark Crispin who emailed me. The problem was of course that the message was NOT properly tagged. The person sending it a content-transfer-encoding of '8-bit' rather than '8bit'. Shoulda checked the RFCs first; sigh. -- Steve Robbins -- Consultant in Computerology steve@cim.mcgill.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 22:15:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12698; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:15:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06921; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:12:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06915; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:12:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFyGC-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:52:06 GMT Message-Id: <3c579m$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Mark Crispin with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:55:32 -0800: + The problem with adding a command to do this is that such a command would + pretty much do all of the work of exiting and restarting Pine. Since Pine + is running short of single-letter commands, do we really want to spend one + of the last available characters to do something you can do with the 6 + character sequence qpine? True, but atleast something if done in this situation that would help a lot. Situation: I use suspend feature (^Z) a lot, and sometimes i forget that i have suspended the pine session, and by mistake instead of typing fg, i type pine -i and then after a little while it lets me into a READ-ONLY session at the same time making the previous (suspended) session READ-ONLY too. So I end up quitting this and the previous session and start pine afresh. Many a times I tell myself not to repeat this, but it just happens.... Many Thanks...and keep up the *Great* work!! -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 22:43:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13218; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:43:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07168; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:33:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07162; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:33:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFyZh-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gmartz@nwcl.net (Greg Martz) Subject: PC-Pine 3.91 and imap problem Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:20:06 LOCAL Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Just installed imapd on the server, and tried out PC-Pine 3.91. It can connect to imap just fine, I put in my userid, and my password, but it says incorrect password for user. I've tried just several different user id's and passwords, but none of them will work. Does anyone have any ideas that could jump start it? Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 23:54:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14427; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:54:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09935; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:52:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09929; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:52:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFzrE-00000FC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) Subject: cmsg cancel <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Control: cancel <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Date: 8 Dec 1994 13:07:31 -0500 Message-Id: <3c7i13$i8n@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Status: O X-Status: <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> was cancelled from within trn. -- Steve Robbins -- Consultant in Computerology steve@cim.mcgill.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 00:53:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15705; Fri, 9 Dec 94 00:53:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08780; Fri, 9 Dec 94 00:48:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08774; Fri, 9 Dec 94 00:48:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG0hJ-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: casey@calon.com (casey) Subject: Pine 3.89 resending email Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:22:18 GMT Status: O X-Status: I've got over 54 messages in Pine 3.89 right now and this is the second time in a week it's happened. I rec'd email from A which was cc'd to two other people (there are four of us). I responded to A, and included the same cc list. I have since been getting the A message over and over, a blank message to *me*, and my response over and over. All of this email has the original time of sending. It seems to appear about every 20 minutes or so. One other person on this list is also getting the repeating email. The other two haven't accessed their mboxes, so we don't know (but I guess we can assume here). The first time it happened, last week, I sent email to X with no cc. That same email kept reappearing in my inbox roughly every 20 minutes or so. When X logged on, this stopped. Out of the clear blue. We are mystified. (Forget asking "support" since "support" is one of the accounts in this weird loop :-). Any ideas? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 01:38:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17022; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:38:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11412; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:34:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11406; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:34:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG1PX-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Tab Completion && PICO Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:54:41 GMT Message-Id: <3c57eh$meg@news.halcyon.com> References: <199412052046.OAA28518@paducah.cs.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) writes: > 1. What does the "enable tab completion" supposed to do ? Is it like the emacs/tcsh > filename completion command equivalent ? When you type G to go to a folder you can just type the first part of the folder name and then press the Tab key and Pine will complete the name (as long as you've given a unique beginning). I use this all the time, for example, for my faq-maintainers folder I just type: faq > 2. How do I get rid of the annoying "word wrapping" in Pico ?? I could invoke > Pico as an alternate editor with "pico -w" but I use Ispell as the alternate > editor. I'd also like to learn how to do this. The latest version of the Pine FAQ describes another way to use ispell (I think it's by setting the SPELL environment variable). If you can do your spell checking that way then you can use "pico -w" as your alternate editor. Let us know if there's any way to have Pico's default be with the -w flag. E.g., maybe there's a PICO environment variable... -Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 02:12:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17725; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:12:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09853; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:07:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09847; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:07:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG1zx-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tc_thomas@pnl.gov (Tom Thomas) Subject: Help with printing attached to ansi from Mac Date: 8 Dec 1994 23:26:51 GMT Message-Id: <3c84nr$941@bbs.pnl.gov> Status: O X-Status: I cannot get the print attached to ansi to work on my Mac. The FAQ states that there is a problem with some comm software and recommends using Kermit. So I ran Kermit with no change. I was running Claris- works 2.1 before. The prompt says it is printing but nothing happens on my Stylewriter II. Any suggestions? Some setup in Kermit I am missing? aTdHvAaNnKcSe (Thanks in advance ;-) ) -------------------------------------------------- Tom Thomas tc_thomas@pnl.gov or tcthomas@oneworld.owt.com Pacific Northwest Laboratories, PO Box 999 MS K7-60, Richland, WA 99352 voice: (509) 375-2783 fax: (509) 375-6703 #define DISCLAIMER "My opinions are my own." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 02:25:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17888; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:25:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11981; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:21:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from andromeda.cp.dias.ie by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11975; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:21:27 -0800 Received: from cp.dias.ie by andromeda.cp.dias.ie with SMTP (PP) id <23720-0@andromeda.cp.dias.ie>; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:08:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:08:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Wai Ming Tai X-Sender: wai@andromeda To: Boyd Dearden Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver In-Reply-To: <3c7enk$hmh@martha.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I found that pcpine work with the clarkson packet driver. However, when I try to use the odipkt driver, there is a small problem, I have to use odipkt 3.0 and in the net.cfg add two lines: Link support buffers 6 1600 Then pcpine works perfectly! Wai. ====================================================================== | Mr. Wai-Ming Tai | E-mail: School of Cosmic Physics, | Internet: wai@cp.dias.ie The Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, | SPAN: 29522::WAI 5 Merrion Square, Dublin 2. | IRELAND | Tel: +353-1-6621333 FAX: +353-1-6621477 | ====================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 03:12:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19019; Fri, 9 Dec 94 03:12:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12532; Fri, 9 Dec 94 03:07:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12526; Fri, 9 Dec 94 03:07:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG2sJ-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: Re: 8BIT capable Chinese Pine Date: 8 Dec 1994 22:53:55 GMT Message-Id: <3c82q3$i0v@news.bu.edu> References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> <3c7kds$h9o@agate.berkeley.edu> <3c7mhi$dbl@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: or if unreachable, try NCTUCCCA.edu.tw:/Operating-Systems/Linux/collect/binary/utils nelson Nelson Chin (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: : try IP address 140.114.202.26 : Henry Kuo (hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu) wrote: : : This is a wrong URL.... :( : : Could you please double check it? Thanks!! : : Henry -- EMAIL: butta1@bu.edu CIIP: nchin@hnt.com OTHER: GWBV10E@prodigy.com CCIC: cyl@ifcss.org GEF: rblac.gefnet@undp.org NAME: NELSON CHIN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 05:09:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22251; Fri, 9 Dec 94 05:09:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12236; Fri, 9 Dec 94 05:04:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12230; Fri, 9 Dec 94 05:04:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG4jA-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 04:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vsk@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Ville S.Kemppinen) Subject: Pine for X-window_ Date: 9 Dec 1994 10:41:11 GMT Message-Id: <3c9c87$s1g@idefix.eunet.fi> Status: O X-Status: Is there any version of Pine available for X-window? If there is, where to get it. Email is best: vsk@teleste.fi. -- /// vsk@teleste.fi /// Ville.S.Kemppinen@f130.n222.z2.fidonet.org /// Radio Ambola +358-(9)21-2484540 V.FC / 24H From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 06:39:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24213; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:39:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15391; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:28:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15385; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:28:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG61C-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement on Pine Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:35:28 Message-Id: References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article MARK A JANKOVITS writes: >I have a suggestion for improvement on the Pine program. >Specifically, an improvement on the Usenet newsreader portion. I >noticed that whenever you subscribe to a new newsgroup you get posting >from months and months back, sometimes there are hundreds on these >unwanted postings. The only way to delete these unwanted postings is >to go through them linearly and delete them. Here's my suggestion: >how about a command that would delete all the posting currently held? >Then, you could read the most current postings and then, with one >stoke >of a key, delete all the old postings you're not interested in. >The idea I'm suggesting is similar to the 'catch up' command in the >newsreader 'rn'. >If you could please reply as to whether this is possible and what >would be needed to inplement that change, it would be greatly appreciated. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ->Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the >maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties >Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This feature already exists! Here's how to perform this amazing feat: Go to the configuration screen (main menu M, setup S, config C) enable-aggregate-command-set should be checked (on) When you are in the news group, press ";" for aggregate command Then press "A" for all Then "A" to apply an aggregate command Then "D" to select delete-all-selected Cheers !-) ============================================================================== matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. cecs department | long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 06:51:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24508; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:51:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15742; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:43:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15733; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:43:55 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA23806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:43:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 9:43:32 EST From: Joe Brennan To: tc_thomas@pnl.gov (Tom Thomas) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help with printing attached to ansi from Mac In-Reply-To: Your message of 8 Dec 1994 23:26:51 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: > I cannot get the print attached to ansi to work on my Mac. The FAQ > states that there is a problem with some comm software and recommends > using Kermit. So I ran Kermit with no change. I was running Claris- > works 2.1 before. The prompt says it is printing but nothing happens > on my Stylewriter II. > > Any suggestions? Some setup in Kermit I am missing? After pine says it printed, pull down the File menu and the choice "Print Captured Text" should be dark (usable). Let go on that and it will run your printer routine with the usual Mac print command window. Pine can't actually run the printer on a Mac, but it sends the data to a buffer that the communications application (kermit or whatever) can control. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 07:34:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25368; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:34:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14292; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:28:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14286; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:28:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG702-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: MARK A JANKOVITS Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement on Pine Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:44:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: I would like to thank those who showed that my suggestion was already available. However, wouldn't it be a bit easier to have a single command at the bottom of the screen, rather than all those other keystrokes? I'm looking for simplicity, something that the new user could figure out without asking around. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 08:08:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26211; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:08:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16983; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:03:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16977; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:03:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG7YE-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: mkpgp (& updates) available by e-mail Message-Id: <1994Dec8.182226.453@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 8 Dec 94 18:22:26 CST Status: O X-Status: mkpgp is a c-shell script that serves as a pgp interface for Pine. It may also function in a limited fashion with other mail programs that provide an alternate editor hook. finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | tee mkpgp.txt.uu | more will put mkpgp.txt.uu in your current directory as you read the manual. ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ mkpgp is also available by e-mail. Send blank e-mail to slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: mkpgp to get it. Send a second message with Subject: addtomkpgplist if you want updates sent you automatically. -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | tee mkpgp.txt.uu | more From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 10:15:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02701; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:15:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20277; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:11:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20271; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:11:02 -0800 Received: from tomahawk.welch.jhu.EDU by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03313; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:11:00 -0800 Received: by tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21932; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:08:59 +0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:08:58 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Christopher X-Sender: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 222 Status: O X-Status: How can I set this to default to off ? i.e. default-fcc="" Keith Christopher Welch Medical Library Unix System Adminstrator --- http://tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu/keithc.html --- Who died and made you root@everywhere? --- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 10:19:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02814; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:19:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18039; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:15:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18033; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:15:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG9Xv-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sanders@pop.life.uiuc.edu (nefarious hoyden) Subject: help me: basic questions Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 11:44:51 -0600 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Hello o pine experts, These are rudimentary questions, but i would appreciate your input: is there an easy way to transfer an entire mail folder onto a disk or hard drive? *and* how do i access the newsgroups through pine? do you prefer it to nn? ++++post or reply to cfkls@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu....not THIS address.++++ thanks! -- blue, green, and d minor the nefarious hoyden From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 10:48:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04244; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:48:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21029; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:45:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21023; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:45:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGA2Z-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ifrankel@teleport.com (Ira Frankel) Subject: How to Shell Date: 9 Dec 1994 10:17:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3ca704$lpr@linda.teleport.com> Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to shell from Pine (as one might in nn with "!")? Thanx for your response in advance. -- ifrankel@teleport.COM REMEMBER: TIME IS NATURE'S WAY OF KEEPING EVERYTHING FROM HAPPENING AT ONCE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 10:51:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04479; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:51:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18835; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:47:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18825; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:47:49 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:44:07 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:44:06 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Keith Christopher Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Keith Christopher wrote: > > How can I set this to default to off ? i.e. default-fcc="" default-fcc=/dev/null Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 11:09:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05356; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:09:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19271; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:04:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19265; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:04:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGAK0-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 7 Dec 1994 21:30:07 GMT Message-Id: <3c59gv$h4t@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3c1doo$peg@hustle.rahul.net> <3c49a2$m8g@kantti.Helsinki.FI> Status: O X-Status: In <3c49a2$m8g@kantti.Helsinki.FI> viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) writes: >Except it will be a pain in the nether region to fill various >mailertables etc with names of all the "consenting adult partners". This was intended to be purely a user-driven feature. If user A wishes to include 8-bit text, he asks the mail agent to let him do so, and the mail agent obliges. Any table of "consenting adult partnetrs" is in the user's head. To protect naive users, the default action should of course be to always encode 8-bit text. -- Rahul Dhesi "At this point, you are babbling ignorantly." -- MRC@panda.COM (Mark Crispin) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 11:51:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07460; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:51:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20382; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:47:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20376; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:47:00 -0800 Received: by alpha.Teleglobe.CA (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA02971; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:47:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:47:13 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Keith Christopher Cc: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Keith Christopher wrote: > > > > > How can I set this to default to off ? i.e. default-fcc="" > > default-fcc=/dev/null Here is a comment from .pinerc: # To suppress saving of outgoing mail, set: default-fcc="" And it works. But since 3.90, the best way to change the configuration is in the etup-onfig screen. To set default-fcc="", move the cursor on default-fcc then elete Val if there is something there then dd Value and hit to enter an . -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 11:53:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07546; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:53:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22576; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:48:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22570; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:48:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGB7b-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: pop3d Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:00:26 GMT Message-Id: References: <3c55qo$ocg@mark.ucdavis.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hemang Patel (ez017400@rocky.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I know that pine is an imap based e-mail program, but I am looking to : find pop3d. I have a copy of imapd that I obtained from : ftp.cac.washington.edu, but where do I find pop3? TIA. Buried in the IMAP package lies a POP3 server named ipop3d, as well as a POP2 server named ipop2d. The entire IMAP distribution is included with Pine. To find the pop daemon sources, go to the IMAP directory and look in ./ANSI/ipopd/ . Of course, if you're using a NON-ANSI system, look there instead. If you can compile pine, you can compile the pop daemons. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 11:58:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07728; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:58:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20507; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:52:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20495; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:52:07 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA24112 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:43:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:57:29 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClure To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Knute Snortum , Patrick Short Subject: Solaris Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I hope this is the proper place to ask this question. I was told this was a mail list and tried to subscribe. Haven't seen anything from it yet. My question: Is pine supported (has anyone compiled/run it) under Sun Solaris? We have a client that would like to try it but I see no reference to Solaris in the source. TIA ______________________________________________________________________ Scott McClure, CPIM Mail: scott@msi.masi.com MicroAccounting Systems, Inc. Voice: (503) 641-4200 Portland, Or Fax: (503) 643-1386 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 12:04:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08314; Fri, 9 Dec 94 12:04:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20666; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:59:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20658; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:59:50 -0800 Received: (from sbpmtm@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA12076; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:59:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: SBPM Tech Mgt Subject: Another Suggestion for Improvement To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On my wishlist for pine is to change either the ^X or ^C command. Having them side by side makes it way too easy to mail something that one assumes has been cancelled. Sure the prompt provides a check, but it would be more efficient to have the Send and Cancel commands further apart. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tin-Mala ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SBPM 202-994-8637 The George Washington University ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 14:39:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14996; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:39:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24080; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:34:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24074; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:34:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGDd5-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Miller Subject: Can pine use POP instead of IMAP? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:16:06 GMT Status: O X-Status: My internet service provider seems reluctant to set up imap on their system. Can pine be configured to use POP? I know, I have read the imap-vs-pop document, and agree, but it is another thing to convince the service providers to use a program they have never heard of until today. -- Steve Miller stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 15:16:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16489; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:16:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27080; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:11:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27074; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:11:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGEAp-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dieter Britz Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:15:48 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3c53rn$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 7 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: > > > Comes here Mr. Dieter Britz with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:42:08 +0100: > > > > + Having subscribed to 6 groups, I now get to see only those 6. How do I > > + access the list of ALL groups, and how can I get that list into a file, > > + so I can print it and read it at home at my leisure? > > > > Goto the (L)ist screen, then choose the Newsgroups group list. Hit A to > > subscribe to groups, then hit control-t for all newsgroups. You will see the > > complete list...(S)ubscribe to the ones you want and (E)xit. Enjoy! > > > > The group list is/will be stored in a file called ".newsrc" in your home dir. > > > > I think you misunderstood the question slightly. (Or my pine > works a bit different than yours.) I believe the original poster wanted > to see the entire list of newsgroups that were available placed in a file > so that he could read at his leisure. > > While the method you describe does *show* all the groups on the > screen....it only saves the ones you've subscribed to in the .newsrc file. > Thank you Wet-Sprocket and you're right, Ed, I wanted (and still want) to have a file of group names. So comes here Mr. Dieter Britz again with his opinion and asks once more; how? (What ^^^^^^^ is all this? Some kind of newspeak that has gone past me?? Opinion?? Comes here?). -- Dieter Britz alias britz@alpha.kemi.aau.dk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 15:21:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16767; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:21:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24884; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:17:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24872; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:17:11 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA24718 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 94 18:14:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:10:36 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClure To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: subscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: subscribe pine-info@cac.washington.edu end ______________________________________________________________________ Scott McClure, CPIM Mail: scott@msi.masi.com MicroAccounting Systems, Inc. Voice: (503) 641-4200 Portland, Or Fax: (503) 643-1386 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 16:00:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18426; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:00:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25753; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:55:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25747; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:55:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGEth-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stevem@tyrell.net (Steve Miller) Subject: Access remote inbox Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:01:26 GMT Status: O X-Status: I have a slip/ppp account on tyrell.net and wish to use pine to read my mail from my Linux system at home. I can send mail out to other systems fine, but can not open my inbox on my account at tyrell. Their support people don't know anything about pine or Unix for that matter. They only seem to know Dos and Windows software. When pine starts up I get the following message: [Opening "INBOX"...] then: [Can't connect to tyrell,143: Connection refused] [No folder opened] My ppp connection is fine in all other aspects (ping, telnet, mosaic, etc...). My "inbox-path" in .pinerc is set to {tyrell.net}/usr/spool/mail/stevem which IS where my spooled mail is. Any ideas? I think it is a problem at Tyrell. Is it possible that my pine software is trying to open the wrong port to access the inbox on tyrell (143?). Or is 143 an error code meaning something else completely? -- Steve Miller Kansas City, MO stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 16:45:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20175; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:45:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29098; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:35:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29080; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:34:58 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id ab22640; 9 Dec 94 19:34 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA18469; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:34:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Steve Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Access remote inbox In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Steve Miller wrote: > I have a slip/ppp account on tyrell.net and wish to use pine to read > my mail from my Linux system at home. I can send mail out to other > systems fine, but can not open my inbox on my account at tyrell. > > Their support people don't know anything about pine or Unix for that > matter. They only seem to know Dos and Windows software. > > When pine starts up I get the following message: > [Opening "INBOX"...] > then: > [Can't connect to tyrell,143: Connection refused] > [No folder opened] > > My ppp connection is fine in all other aspects (ping, telnet, > mosaic, etc...). > > My "inbox-path" in .pinerc is set to {tyrell.net}/usr/spool/mail/stevem > which IS where my spooled mail is. > > Any ideas? I think it is a problem at Tyrell. Is it possible that > my pine software is trying to open the wrong port to access the > inbox on tyrell (143?). Or is 143 an error code meaning something > else completely? > One way to verify if the imap server is working is to telnet to the host on that port number: telnet tyrell 143 ( or "telnet tyrel imap" is imap is in /etc/services, but yes: 143 is the default port number. ) If you get an answering banner message, you should be able to type something like: 1 login name password 2 select INBOX [ you should see some status info displayed here ] 3 logout If you don't get the answering banner from telnet - something like: * OK elvis.med.Virginia.EDU IMAP2bis Service 7.8(92) at Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:31:20 -0500 (EST) Then there's no IMAP server listening on that port. [ And if you want to know how to "speak" IMAP to the server, read the RFC's - there's an example session in there somewhere. ] ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 17:37:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22267; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:37:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00521; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:34:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00515; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:34:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGGR0-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine for SCO-UNIX Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:55:14 GMT Message-Id: References: <9411271012.AA10265@RezoNet.NET> Status: O X-Status: Sergey A. Nikolaev (nikolaev@rec03.pnpi.spb.ru) wrote: : I have just obtained the pine binaries from the source above. : When starting and opening "INBOX", pine exits with messages: : Bug in Pine detected: "Abort signal recieved" : Exiting Pine. : My system is System V/386 Release 3.2 Never seen that one. I built it to run on SysV r3.2 v4.2. What version of the system do you have? What style mailboxes are you using? Do you have TCP/IP installed? Does this happen on both user mailboxes and on root? Did you get the package from odi.cwc.whecn.edu or ftp.celestial.com (both sources were mentioned)? If necessary, I can build it for you with debugging turned on, so you can get more information about where it's crashing. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 17:49:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22573; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:49:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28299; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:45:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28293; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:45:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGGYl-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: ipopd3, ipopd2 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:22:18 GMT Status: O X-Status: ??? I built pine according to sv4 and got pine, pico, mtest and imapd. How do I get the popd fellows? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 18:17:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23205; Fri, 9 Dec 94 18:17:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01216; Fri, 9 Dec 94 18:15:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01210; Fri, 9 Dec 94 18:15:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGH3C-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: offsite@crl.com (Lee Bailey) Subject: [Q] Using Pine's .addressbook in Elm Date: 9 Dec 1994 12:33:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3caevi$7lo@crl5.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: I am looking for an easy way to keep an Elm alias file up to date with Pine's .addressbook. Preferabliy something that would always run at logout time (in case I added any nicknames in Pine). I have seen a script that will do the reverse (alias.text >> .addressbook) but not what I'm looking for. I could prbably rewrite it to go the other way, but then I only have the alias.text, I still need to convert it to the native format for Elm to use. Will the program 'newaliases' do this? I could call the program at the end of the script. Any other suggestions or help would be appreciated. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Lee Bailey | E-Mail: offsite@crl.com User of Geoworks Ensemble instead of MS Windoze From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 19:34:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24665; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:34:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29641; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:30:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29635; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:30:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGIG8-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: 10 Dec 1994 00:54:34 GMT Message-Id: <3cau8a$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Trey Harris with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 9 Dec 1994 23:14:52 GMT: + >On my wishlist for pine is to change either the ^X or ^C command. Having + >them side by side makes it way too easy to mail something that one assumes + >has been cancelled. + Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the + right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? + (Dvorakists of the world, unite!) Dvorks still around? Qwerty Rulez!! :) Both ^X and ^C need command confirmation, make sure you turn them on (if off?) in case you find yourself in a quandry. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 19:40:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24765; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:40:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29736; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:36:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29730; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:36:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGILU-00000FC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lef@wuacn.wustl.edu (Lori Fox) Subject: .signature files Date: 10 Dec 1994 03:12:02 GMT Message-Id: <3cb6a2$co4@newsreader.wustl.edu> Status: O X-Status: I would like to create a signature file and use it *only* when I use pine. Is there a way to do this ? If so, I would be grateful for instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 19:41:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24835; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:41:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02287; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:36:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02281; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:36:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGIK4-00000IC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric.Beaudoin@dmr.ca (Eric Beaudoin) Subject: Pine of FreeBSD 2.0? Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 18:58:38 -0500 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Hi, is there anybody who compiled the pine package on a FreeBSD 2.0 system? I tried "BUILD bsd" but that doesn't work on my system. I'm not very mush of a unix programmer so looking trough the .c and .h will take me a lot of time. I'd appriciate any kind of help I can get. In particular, someboddy sending me files that would make pine compile on FreeBSD 2.0 would make me very very happy :-). Thanks P.S. Once I have the solution, I will post it here for other souls in need of help (is-there a pine FAQ?). ---------------------------------------- |Eric Beaudoin Eric.Beaudoin@DMR.CA| Artiste demande : |DMR Quebec Inc. 877-3301 | ---------------------------------------- J'aurais besoin d'un petit dessin | Mes opignions sont miennes et | ASCII d'un informaticien avec les | peuvent devenir les votres. | yeux poches... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 20:25:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25747; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:25:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02942; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:21:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02936; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:21:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGJ0e-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: How to UNsubscribe from all newsgroups Date: 10 Dec 1994 01:03:16 GMT Message-Id: <3cauok$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr/Mz. Danni with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 9 Dec 1994 22:52:23 GMT: + Hi - I'm new to Pine, so forgive me if this is a FAQ or a + dumb question. Right now I am subscribed to all the newsgroups + by default. Is there an easy why to UNsubscribe from all of + them and then subscribe to the 20 or so I want? With 5500+ + groups, doing it one at a time is not something I want to try. Pine looks up a file called ".newsrc" in your home dir. for newsgroups subscription info. Just rename that file, and start Pine to read news again. This time it will create a fresh ".newsrc", subscribe then to those groups of your choice. % mv .newsrc .oldnewsrc On the other hand, you can by using your favourite editor manually edit this file to include only those groups that you want to be subscribed to which probably is a better solution as it reduces the effort in re-subscrption. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 21:08:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26506; Fri, 9 Dec 94 21:08:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01035; Fri, 9 Dec 94 21:05:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01029; Fri, 9 Dec 94 21:05:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGJgW-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: How to Shell Date: 10 Dec 1994 01:14:35 GMT Message-Id: <3cavdr$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mz. Ira Frankel with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 9 Dec 1994 10:17:39 -0800: + Is it possible to shell from Pine (as one might in nn with "!")? Thanx + for your response in advance. You can use the ^Z(suspend) or |(pipe) feature instead of !(shell out) to get back into shell or execute a shell command within Pine (for ex: finger) as it really depends on what you want to do when you shell out. You can always get back into Pine by typing 'fg' at the prompt. In order to use the ^Z feature you will have to enable suspend feature in the feature list or invoke pine with the -z flag. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 22:09:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27742; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:09:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04359; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:05:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04353; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:05:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGKdl-00000FC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 21:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lm#drg1@mvs.medctr.ucla.edu (Danni) Subject: How to UNsubscribe from all newsgroups Date: 9 Dec 1994 22:52:23 GMT Message-Id: <3can37$3hn@news.mic.ucla.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi - I'm new to Pine, so forgive me if this is a FAQ or a dumb question. Right now I am subscribed to all the newsgroups by default. Is there an easy why to UNsubscribe from all of them and then subscribe to the 20 or so I want? With 5500+ groups, doing it one at a time is not something I want to try. Thanks! Danni From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 23:06:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28926; Fri, 9 Dec 94 23:06:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02575; Fri, 9 Dec 94 23:00:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02569; Fri, 9 Dec 94 23:00:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGLUo-00000LC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: 9 Dec 1994 23:14:52 GMT Message-Id: <3caodc$10e7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , SBPM Tech Mgt wrote: >On my wishlist for pine is to change either the ^X or ^C command. Having >them side by side makes it way too easy to mail something that one assumes >has been cancelled. Sure the prompt provides a check, but it would be more >efficient to have the Send and Cancel commands further apart. Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? (Dvorakists of the world, unite!) -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris --Stranger in a Strange Thread! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 02:33:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02866; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:33:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05030; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:30:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05014; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:30:23 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:26:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:26:42 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Lori Fox Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature files In-Reply-To: <3cb6a2$co4@newsreader.wustl.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 10 Dec 1994, Lori Fox wrote: > I would like to create a signature file and use it *only* when I use > pine. Is there a way to do this ? If so, I would be grateful for > instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who > punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. > When "she took a college course"? Does that mean you want to have the respondents limited to female college graduates? :-) :-) Well most programs rely on a parameter or setting to define the file to be used as the "signature" source. What you can do is define it as .pinesig within pine and .elmsig within elm and .whateversig in whatever. Yes, I'm very familiar with punch cards. 50% isn't bad. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 02:33:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02893; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:33:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07604; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:31:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07598; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:31:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGOqF-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stevem@tyrell.net (Steve Miller) Subject: Re: Access remote inbox Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:33:12 GMT Status: O X-Status: Steve Miller (stevem@tyrell.net) wrote: :>I have a slip/ppp account on tyrell.net and wish to use pine to read :>my mail from my Linux system at home. I can send mail out to other :>systems fine, but can not open my inbox on my account at tyrell. SNIP! :>Any ideas? I think it is a problem at Tyrell. Is it possible that :>my pine software is trying to open the wrong port to access the :>inbox on tyrell (143?). Or is 143 an error code meaning something :>else completely? Update: I have found out that my internet service provider, Tyrell, is not running the inetd daemon. They should have noticed this right away when I first reported the problem. Lesson learned: only deal with service providers that know what they are doing! I had no other choice until this month, a new service provider! They HAVE to know more than the support staff at Tyrell. Hell, I know more than the support staff at Tyrell, and thats not saying much. Its pretty bad when an end user/subscriber has to tell them how to fix their system! -- Steve Miller Kansas City, MO stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 03:26:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04105; Sat, 10 Dec 94 03:26:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05681; Sat, 10 Dec 94 03:23:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05675; Sat, 10 Dec 94 03:23:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGPb4-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 03:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdupree@tequesta.gate.net (Michelle Dupree) Subject: Pico annoyance when composing in newsreader Date: 9 Dec 1994 21:15:27 -0500 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: ... namely that it spellchecks the entire header and any lead-ins (e.g., "in wrote:"). Is there any way to keep it from doing this? Naturally, it's forever flagging email addresses (worse, every single little part of an email address), references, every damn detail. Usually I end up wasting more time rubber-stamping the header than I spend checking the message itself. Thanks for any help, and sorry if this has been covered before. -Micky From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 04:30:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05779; Sat, 10 Dec 94 04:30:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06585; Sat, 10 Dec 94 04:27:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06579; Sat, 10 Dec 94 04:27:49 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Dec 94 20:24:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 20:24:11 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Lori Fox , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature files In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 10 Dec 1994, Lori Fox wrote: > > > I would like to create a signature file and use it *only* when I use > > pine. Is there a way to do this ? If so, I would be grateful for > > instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who > > punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. > > > > When "she took a college course"? Does that mean you want to > have the respondents limited to female college graduates? :-) :-) OH....you said "for someone...." I knew that since I've been living outside of the US for so long my grammer was starting to suffer.....but I didn't know it was having an effect on my ability to read!! Oh, well maybe the fact that I'm familiar with punch cards is also a good excuse.... No? Fine...I'm going back to watch tapes of David Letterman....hummmm...I wonder....... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 05:59:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07405; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:59:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10176; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:56:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10170; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:56:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGS0d-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: garbled printing Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:53:14 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994Dec8.073537.9947@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Alexander E. Christensen (aechrist@liberty.uc.wlu.edu) wrote: : My pine system captures the text, and then I print to the local printer, : but the messages are all garbled and don't make sense anymore. It seems : to read different characters each time, but never the whole message. : Any suggestions? Please mail me or post here. Thanx. Could be your terminal program. Using QuickLink II for DOS from home, Pine succeeds in printing the first and last 20 lines of any given message (more or less). Using Procomm (any of several versions for DOS and Windows), printing works perfectly. You might also, if you are dialed in instead of telnetting, check your flow control. Printing causes a seriously dense stream of data to come over the line. If your machine overflows its buffers and can't stop the data flow, you'll get garbage too. But I doubt it's Pine's fault. gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 06:14:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07700; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:14:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07739; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:11:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07733; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:11:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGSFz-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ormbt@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Monthian Buntan - OR99) Subject: Unreadable binary file help needed Date: 8 Dec 1994 11:35:20 GMT Message-Id: <3c6r1o$e6v@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Recently, I downloaded a big file from a server somewhere and found that it was transfered in the binary mode automatically without me telling it to do. When I come back to my computer, I can't read such a file via any word processor application. On the other hand, ten minutes ago, I donwloaded a file which was supposed to be a binary file, but my computer set itself to a text mode. I understand that it was because there was some text message before and after : which my communication software interpretted that it should then be a text file. How could I solve all of these problem? One more questions. Could I view the first page of a long message and then jump accross hundreds of pages to the last page of such a long file while in the pine mode? There isn't any keyboard command for that function that I know of. Any help on this matter will be greatly appreciated. Please direct your answer to my e-mail in addition to this news group as I rrarely come into this group. Best regards, Thian. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 06:53:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08309; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:53:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08156; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:50:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08150; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:50:05 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 10 Dec 94 07:43:35 MST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA90595; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:51:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:51:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: Lee Bailey Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Q] Using Pine's .addressbook in Elm In-Reply-To: <3caevi$7lo@crl5.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have a script that goes both ways. Two potential problems for you: (1) It was written some time ago, when I was using pine 3.87 and an earlier version of elm - sorry I don't remember the elm version. Therefore, if the formats have changed then the script may be obsolete. I have not used this script recently. (2) It is written in uniRexx, which is a wonderful language, but unfortuantely not commonly available in the Unix world because it costs extra $ and duplicates functionality of Unix shell languages, though in my opinion Rexx is more elegant; Rexx is a scripting language. But the real advantage of Res is that works on many platforms, including IBM mainframes of several types, DOS, OS/2 (it is part of OS/2), Amiga, numerous Unix versions, and I now hear there will be an NT version. I think IBM now sells a version of Rexx specific to AIX (in addition to the multi-platform Unix commercial product). -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | On 9 Dec 1994, Lee Bailey wrote: > I am looking for an easy way to keep an Elm alias file up to date with > Pine's .addressbook. Preferabliy something that would always run at > logout time (in case I added any nicknames in Pine). > > I have seen a script that will do the reverse (alias.text >> > .addressbook) but not what I'm looking for. I could prbably rewrite it to > go the other way, but then I only have the alias.text, I still need to > convert it to the native format for Elm to use. Will the program > 'newaliases' do this? I could call the program at the end of the script. > > Any other suggestions or help would be appreciated. > > -- > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Lee Bailey | E-Mail: offsite@crl.com > User of Geoworks Ensemble instead of MS Windoze > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 09:09:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10795; Sat, 10 Dec 94 09:09:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12529; Sat, 10 Dec 94 09:07:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12523; Sat, 10 Dec 94 09:07:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGUyW-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 08:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tbm@witbm.mv.att.com (Tom Merrick ) Subject: Re: FAQs ? Message-Id: References: <3bde00$gjn@charles.cdec.polymtl.ca> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:41:01 GMT Status: O X-Status: I have read the FAQ and failed to find a feature I can't do without. Anyone know how to edit an IN-coming message and put it back into the inbox SIMPLY? Mail does this on a SUN. TIA, Tom Merrick AT&T Bell Laboratories From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 10:04:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11622; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:04:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13098; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:00:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13092; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:00:53 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22141; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:00:46 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 10:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Gunther Anderson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: garbled printing In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Alexander et al: Let me reinforce what Gunther said: I think 99% of "pine printing problems" are either due to communications software that doesn't understand ANSI escape sequences for printing, *or* (in the dialin case) flow control problems. We didn't understand how big a problem software flow control was until 3.90 came out... we changed pine to intercept flow control characters so that users would not see Pine "wedge" mysteriously if a mis-type or noise generated a control-S, but that did bad things when printers, modems, or comm software was depending on s/w flow control. So in 3.91 we added the "preserve-start-stop-characters" feature, so that Pine could be configured to respect s/w flow control characters (if the operating system did) for those folks who needed them. Enabling this feature should make Pine 3.91 behave the same way as earlier versions. Then we discovered that some operating systems don't enable software flow control by default. So in 3.92, the "preserve-start-stop-characters" feature will do more than simply "not ignoring" them, it will try to force the OS to pay attention to them. So here's the sequence of things to try if you have pine printing problems: 1. CHECK FOR SOFTWARE FLOW-CONTROL PROBLEMS: A. Try enabling "preserve-start-stop-characters" <- requires 3.91 B. If that doesn't help, verify that the OS is enabling s/w flow control; if it isn't, you can either change that in a global .login script, or as a worst case, wrap pine in a script that does it. By the way, on our AIX systems, we had to execute "stty -ixon" followed by "stty ixon" --no one here knows why the first stty is needed. (Note that explicitly enabling s/w flow control in the OS will not be needed in 3.92). 2. CHECK YOUR COMM SOFTWARE FOR ANSI PRINTING CAPABILITY A. After ruling out s/w flow control problems, if printing still doesn't work, the odds are that the PC or Mac comm s/w is at fault. I don't know how to determine this other than via trial-and-error and word-of-mouth. B. The "ansiprt" utility included in the pine distribution can also be used for testing. It simply sends the specified text file to user's terminal device, bracketed with the ANSI escape sequences for print diversion. This is just what Pine does as well (although some versions of ansiprt offer a few options not available via Pine.) 3. POSSIBLE OTHER PRINTING PROBLEMS A. Printing via Pine's "attached-to-ansi" facility to a postscript-only printer. Pine does not yet have the ability to encapsulate text into postscript, ala "enscript", so the custom print option using enscript and ansiprt will be needed in that case. B. Other printer-specific configuration problems. For example, whether or not the printer needs a trailing formfeed to eject the last page, or a control-D, or non-Unix newline conventions, etc. Many of these problem will also require using the custom print command option and "ansiprt". If others have additional specific printing problems and solutions, it would be good to contribute them for incorporation into a "pine printing faq"... (Nancy, what d'ya think?) -teg On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Gunther Anderson wrote: > Alexander E. Christensen (aechrist@liberty.uc.wlu.edu) wrote: > : My pine system captures the text, and then I print to the local printer, > : but the messages are all garbled and don't make sense anymore. It seems > : to read different characters each time, but never the whole message. > : Any suggestions? Please mail me or post here. Thanx. > > Could be your terminal program. Using QuickLink II for DOS from home, > Pine succeeds in printing the first and last 20 lines of any given > message (more or less). Using Procomm (any of several versions for DOS > and Windows), printing works perfectly. You might also, if you are > dialed in instead of telnetting, check your flow control. Printing > causes a seriously dense stream of data to come over the line. If your > machine overflows its buffers and can't stop the data flow, you'll get > garbage too. > > But I doubt it's Pine's fault. > > gunther Anderson > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 10:04:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11688; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:04:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10465; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:02:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10459; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:02:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGVq6-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 09:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: 10 Dec 1994 16:47:10 GMT Message-Id: <3ccm2e$bic@news.halcyon.com> References: <3c53rn$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Dieter Britz writes: >So comes here Mr. Dieter Britz again with his opinion and asks once more; >how? If nn is on your system you can use the following: Type... In order to... ======= ============== nngrep -a |less Use less to view list of all newsgroups at your site nngrep -a > print.me Put the list of all newsgroups in file named print.me There should be a file on your system that contains a list of all newsgroups that your site receives, with a short description for many of the newsgroups. This file is in different places on different machines so you should ask your system administrator where it is on your machine (make sure you mention the descriptions otherwise s/he might point you to a file named active which is not nearly as useful as the file with descriptions). I have the master list accessible from my Internet Web page - it has around 9900 newsgroups in it! Good luck, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 10:38:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12322; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:38:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13494; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:34:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13488; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:34:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGWKN-00000wC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: ipopd3, ipopd2 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:35:19 GMT References: Status: O X-Status: In pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >??? I built pine according to sv4 and got pine, pico, mtest and imapd. >How do I get the popd fellows? Never mind. I found them. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 11:06:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12893; Sat, 10 Dec 94 11:06:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11199; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:59:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11193; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:59:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGWjP-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: MARK A JANKOVITS Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:29:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <3caodc$10e7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3caodc$10e7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 9 Dec 1994, Trey Harris wrote: > > Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the > right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? > What kind of keyboard are you using? In all the keyboards I've ever seen/used the bottom row goes like this: zxcvbnm ^^ X and C look mighty close there. > -- > Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris > --Stranger in a Strange Thread! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:08:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20660; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:08:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18217; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:03:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18211; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:03:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGbRU-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 15:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: blast@crl.com (Tim Keanini) Subject: 3.91 hangs when trying nntp over cslip Date: 10 Dec 1994 00:01:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3cbn89$j49@crl6.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: I am using pine 3.91 on a A/UX system. The mail end of it work just fine. When I point pine at a nntp server over at my Inet provider it show me the item in teh .newsrc order but when i select one, it just hangs. I am C/SLIPed at 14.4 I will use tin and nn till I work out this problem. --blast %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \ Tim Keanini | "The limits of my language, / / aka blast | are the limits of my world." \ \ | --Ludwig Wittgenstein / / | \ \ +================================================/ / for more info on BayMOO... \ \ email baymoo@worldbit.com / %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:13:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20859; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:13:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15389; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:09:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15383; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:09:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGbXs-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 15:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: General setting of printer Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:55:14 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1137753966-786995714=:23858" In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1137753966-786995714=:23858 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Rufus D. Short wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 DEC 1994 09:48:22 +0000 (GMT) > From: Rufus D. Short > To: Gildas PERROT > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: General setting of printer > > On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Gildas PERROT wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > As root, I would like to set the printer variable in the general > > configuration file (which is /usr/local/lib/pine.conf for me) to be > > 'lp' instead of 'lpr' (I am on SGI, System V). If I modify a variable > > in the pine.conf, the users see the changes if they haven't change > > themselves this variable in their .pinerc. However, the change of > > 'printer' in pine.conf is not seen by users. Any idea about this > > problem ? > > There is a bug in Pine 3.91 that causes certain variables in pine.conf and pine.conf.fixed to be ignored. A diff to correct this in pine.init.c is attached. > > The file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf is only used as a template for new > users to pine. The /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixeds provides a way > for sys-admin to set variables for all users. Be aware though that any > variables set in the 'fixed' file cannot be changed by users. > Not quite correct. The pine.conf and pine.conf.fixed files both set variables for all users in each session. The difference is that pine.conf can be overridden by each user, but pine.conf.fixed cannot. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA --0-1137753966-786995714=:23858 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="init.c.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: KioqIHBpbmUzLjkxL3NyYy9waW5lL2luaXQuYwlNb24gT2N0IDEwIDE0OjM0 OjI5IDE5OTQNCi0tLSBwaW5lMy45Mi9zcmMvcGluZS9pbml0LmMJV2VkIE9j dCAxMiAxMjozNTo0MSAxOTk0DQoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioNCioqKiAyMDg5 LDIxMDAgKioqKg0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQogICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0g VmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxlYXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZv ciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAgIGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2Vy KXsNCiEgICAgICAgICAgICAgaWYod2hpY2hfdmFycyA9PSBQYXJzZUxvY2Fs KXsgICAgICAgICAgIA0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3Zh ciA9IDA7DQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBwbGluZS0+bGluZSA9IGNweXN0 cihsaW5lKTsNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHBsaW5lKys7DQotICAgICAg ICAgICAgIH0NCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgY29udGludWU7DQogICAgICAgICAg fQ0KICANCi0tLSAyMDg5LDIwOTggLS0tLQ0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQog ICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0gVmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxl YXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZvciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAg IGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2VyICYmIHdoaWNoX3ZhcnMgPT0gUGFyc2VMb2NhbCl7 DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3ZhciA9IDA7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmxp bmUgPSBjcHlzdHIobGluZSk7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUrKzsNCiAgCSAgICBj b250aW51ZTsNCiAgICAgICAgICB9DQogIA0K --0-1137753966-786995714=:23858-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:32:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21273; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:32:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18583; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:28:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18577; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:28:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGbtR-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ngenge@random.ucs.mun.ca (Ngaire Genge) Subject: Upgrade Possible? Date: 10 Dec 1994 14:00:34 GMT Message-Id: <3ccca2$qna@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Status: O X-Status: Hi, I have a UNIX shell account which I dial up from a '386 running DOS (no Windows :)). Our privider has Pine 3.87 installed. Is there anyway to have Pine 3.91 reside in a shell account? Or will this cause conflicts on the UNIX host? Cheers, Ngaire From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:37:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21401; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:37:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15711; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:33:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15705; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:33:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGbyV-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:03:34 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 DEC 1994 13:02:23 +0100 > From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc > > Hi Pine-people > > Can pine search for new newsgroups not currently listed ind the .newsrc > file ? > Not at this time. > When using OTHER newstools than pine, I'm asked to subscribe to new > newsgroups (if any) that currently was not listed in the .newsrc-file. > If I don't subscribe, the new newsgroup is just added to my .newsrc as > unsubscribed, but it is added. > Pine currently only adds a newsgroup when it needs to save some information about it, i.e. subscribed, messages read. > When using pine (3.91) as newsreader/tool, I don't think there is a > possibillity to check if there is any new newsgroup not listed in the > .newsrc-file, and in time, my .newsrc will therefore not be updated if I > don't use other newstools. > > If I have missed somthing, and it IS possible please tell me how. If not > I would like it implemented in next version. > It is on the list, but I don't have any guess as to what version it will make it into.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:59:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21730; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:59:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18927; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:54:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18921; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:54:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGcIU-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vbhalla@mtu.edu (Vbhalla) Subject: Re: [Q] Using Pine's .addressbook in Elm Date: 10 Dec 1994 17:17:06 -0500 Message-Id: <3cd9d2$k4u@pacemaker.cts> References: <3caevi$7lo@crl5.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: Lee Bailey (offsite@crl.com) wrote: : I have seen a script that will do the reverse (alias.text >> : .addressbook) but not what I'm looking for. I could prbably rewrite it to : go the other way, but then I only have the alias.text, I still need to : convert it to the native format for Elm to use. Will the program : 'newaliases' do this? I could call the program at the end of the script. The whole purpose of the newalais command is to update Elm native formats by reading the aliases.text file and updating them. So sure go ahead and run th newalias command at the end of the script. vbhalla@mtu.edu /***********************************************************************/ Just Call me Swifty Yar!!! http://pace1.cts:8080/MyHome.html C.T.S Consultant. http://pace1.cts:8080/Consul.html Intl. Students Association. http://pace1.cts:8080/Intl.html President. /***********************************************************************/ : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 18:22:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23255; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:22:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16929; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16923; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:18:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGdYn-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 17:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: how to set charset parameter? Date: 10 Dec 1994 23:46:52 GMT Message-Id: <3cdelc$n67@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: how do you suppose to set the charset parameter in pine? for both posting and mailing,.. i wish the header section can be as modifable as the body text, just like in tin. Nelson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 18:32:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23446; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:32:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19997; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:28:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19991; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:28:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGdij-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: Re: how to set charset parameter? Date: 10 Dec 1994 23:54:37 GMT Message-Id: <3cdf3t$ng9@news.bu.edu> References: <3cdelc$n67@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Nelson Chin (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: : how do you suppose to set the charset parameter in pine? for both : posting and mailing,.. i wish the header section can be as modifable : as the body text, just like in tin. : Nelson i forgot to mention that i am interseted in setting to another 7-bit charset, since i believe the default character setting in pine's setup is only invoked when the text is 8-bit. nelson -- EMAIL: butta1@bu.edu CIIP: nchin@hnt.com OTHER: GWBV10E@prodigy.com CCIC: cyl@ifcss.org GEF: rblac.gefnet@undp.org NAME: NELSON CHIN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 19:04:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23959; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:04:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17358; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:58:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17352; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:58:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGeDA-00000OC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Peter Thomas Ranks Subject: signatures Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 19:05:20 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I just started using pine today and I have been wondering how to create a signature. I know this is a pretty amateur question but I am pretty amateur. thanks pranks@hubcap.clemson.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 19:54:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24717; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:54:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20989; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:50:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20983; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:50:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGexp-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: 11 Dec 1994 01:25:28 GMT Message-Id: <3cdke8$7e3@news.ysu.edu> References: On 9 Dec 1994, Trey Harris wrote: > >> Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the >> right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? >> >What kind of keyboard are you using? In all the keyboards I've ever >seen/used the bottom row goes like this: > > zxcvbnm > ^^ That's funny, the kezboards, oops, keyboards I'll be pounding on in a week have a bottom row that goes like this: YXCVBNM,.- ^ ^ The moral being not to make default assumptions about what other users will have. Oh yes, and I was bitten by accidentally hitting ^C once or twice. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 20:18:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10