From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 1 10:19:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05955; Sun, 1 May 94 10:19:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16028; Sun, 1 May 94 09:55:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from guava.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16022; Sun, 1 May 94 09:55:03 -0700 Received: by guava.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA14894; Sun, 1 May 94 11:52:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 11:52:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "g.h.chinoy" Subject: Re: pine documentation To: Alex Tang Cc: Gerhard Winkler , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Pine Tech docs are in .ps format and they're in the pine.tar.Z distribution. Sincerely, Hussain ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NeXTstep, Washington University in St. Louis baby hussain@artsci.wustl.edu On Sat, 30 Apr 1994, Alex Tang wrote: > On Thu, 28 Apr 1994, Gerhard Winkler wrote: > > > I can remember a Pine documentation in PostScript format > > I printed in november 1993. > > I lost the pointer to it. > > Does someone know where to get it ... ? > > I don't know which one you're talking about, but I have some if you want > to take a look. they're in > > ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/documentation/pine.internet.doc.Hqx > (this is a mac MS Word 5.1 doc) > > and: > ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/documentation/pine.internet.doc.ps > (a ps version of the same doc). > > hope that this helps. > > ...alex... > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 1 10:28:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06079; Sun, 1 May 94 10:28:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16301; Sun, 1 May 94 10:12:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from swix.nvg.unit.no by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16295; Sun, 1 May 94 10:12:30 -0700 Received: from 129.241.163.240 by swix.nvg.unit.no with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #18) id for ; Sun, 1 May 94 19:12 +0200 Received: by trondviggo.nvg.unit.no (smallmail 0.9.11); Sun, 1 May 1994 19:12:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 19:12:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: RFC1522, and elm-style sent-mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Two questions: 1. Is Pine going to encode its headers according to RFC1522 any time soon? I could give you code to encode a header, but I'm not going to wade into Pine to find out where to insert the calls to it. 2. Pine does not currently offer the "fcc by first recipient"-style save elm offers, and it doesn't seem easy to add without knowledge of Pine. Do you think it's a bad idea? Regarding the comp.mail.pine creation, if anyone had problems with getting mail to vote@lm.com, you can try again now, some problems have been fixed. --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 1 23:49:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12419; Sun, 1 May 94 23:49:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13140; Sun, 1 May 94 23:33:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13134; Sun, 1 May 94 23:33:08 -0700 Received: by comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA00865; Mon, 2 May 94 08:33:05 +0200 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 08:33:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin Spohn Subject: behavior of cursor keys To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Pine Team, one of our users complained that he cannot use the cursor keys of his notebook inside pine. For example, when he is composing a message with pico cursor-left gives "t" cursor-right gives "v" cursor-up gives "x" cursor-down gives "r" However in other applications the cursor keys behave as they should. Can you please help us with some hints? Thanks Martin Spohn Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung Telefon: +49 7071 29-6970 (Fax: -5912) Abteilung Netze E-Mail: Universitaet Tuebingen SMTP: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Brunnenstrasse 27 X.400: C=de;A=d400;P=uni-tuebingen;O=zdv;S=spohn D-72074 Tuebingen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 03:13:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15146; Mon, 2 May 94 03:13:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29700; Mon, 2 May 94 02:56:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29694; Mon, 2 May 94 02:56:09 -0700 Received: from apus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.2] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0pxujE-000BzMC; Mon, 2 May 94 10:55 BST Received: by apus.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0pxujD-0004YBC; Mon, 2 May 94 10:55 BST Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 10:55:54 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Cc: Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Ken Brown In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 29 Apr 1994, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > The short version is that imap is good, and Pine is good, and if you > can't use Pine, use another imap client. Here's their recomendations > on a platform basis: > > Macintosh: Mailstrom > DOS: PC-Pine > Windows: ECS-Mail > Unix chatacter cell: Pine > VMS character cell: None (although this was before > PMDF came with VMS Pine) But it should be noted that:- a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does NOT include Mailstrom. As a result, despite the user interface being very nice, we have been forced to discontinue recommending Mailstrom to our MAC users. We have no second best at present, though we do have POP customers using Eudora (also not 100% satisfactory). I believe that ECS-mail either has or will have a MAC client. b) ECS-mail is expensive, and PINE and Mailstrom are free. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 08:23:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20519; Mon, 2 May 94 08:23:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04677; Mon, 2 May 94 08:01:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from riscy.scott-scott.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04671; Mon, 2 May 94 08:01:37 -0700 Received: from [192.152.12.66] by riscy.scott-scott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15485; Mon, 2 May 1994 07:59:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 08:01:10 PDT From: Donald Bird Subject: Resubscribe to Pine-Info To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: dbird@rwbeck.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 08:56:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22099; Mon, 2 May 94 08:56:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05391; Mon, 2 May 94 08:34:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from duke.usask.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05385; Mon, 2 May 94 08:34:46 -0700 Received: by duke.usask.ca; id AA02642; Mon, 2 May 1994 09:34:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 09:34:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: Barry Landy Cc: Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > On Fri, 29 Apr 1994, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > > But it should be noted that:- > a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP > comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does > NOT include Mailstrom. Our Mac person here has been experimenting with beta copies, which seem to work OK (I don't know much about it). > b) ECS-mail is expensive, and PINE and Mailstrom are free. I was told the Windows version was only $24 (CND), which I thought to be quite reasonable. It's not as good as free (and I do like Pine better), but for people who want a native Windows mail reader, it's a goo, inexpensive product. (My opinion). - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, Client Services Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Department of Computing Services University of Saskatchewan My AMAZING Web Page ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not the only person who uses his computer mainly for the purpose of diddling with his computer." - Dave Barry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 09:18:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23915; Mon, 2 May 94 09:18:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05728; Mon, 2 May 94 08:47:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05722; Mon, 2 May 94 08:47:12 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04354; Mon, 2 May 94 08:45:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 08:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Barry Landy Cc: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" , Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > But it should be noted that:- > a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP > comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does > NOT include Mailstrom. There is a recent addition to the set of available Mac IMAP clients. It's called "Mail Drop". From the file /mail/imap.software on ftp.cac.washington.edu here is the contact info: Baylor University: (Mail Drop) FTP: ackmo.baylor.edu: /pub/bell/Mail_Drop MailDrop-Comments@baylor.edu It is very simple, but from the few tests I performed seemed to be stable. MIME support is not there yet, but promised. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 10:59:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27199; Mon, 2 May 94 10:59:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08086; Mon, 2 May 94 10:20:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08080; Mon, 2 May 94 10:20:57 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09711; Mon, 2 May 94 10:20:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 10:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Problem compiling pine on Solaris 2.3 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The "important" message is "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename This can be resolved by adding "-Dconst=" to the CFLAGS line in pine/makefile.sol, then rebuilding. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 30 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > I have successfully ported pine to HP-UX 8.0 on an HP 400 box, and SunOS 4.1.2 > on a SUN 630mp. I am now trying to port to Solaris 2.3, but have received the > errors shown below my signature. If anyone could help me figure out what I > should do next (not being a programmer, but having some C knowledge) I would be > very grateful. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "A job ain't nothing but work" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Mo Money ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Script started on Sat Apr 30 11:47:12 1994manilla:.../src/pine3.89# build sol > build: not found > manilla:.../src/pine3.89# ./build sol > make args are "CC=cc" > > Making c-client library and mtest > rm -f osdep.h > ln os_sv4.h osdep.h > cc -g -Dconst= -c mtest.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c mail.c > "mail.c", line 1142: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c bezerk.c > "bezerk.c", line 1055: warning: argument #1 is incompatible with prototype: > prototype: pointer to long : "/usr/include/time.h", line 68 > argument : pointer to ulong > "bezerk.c", line 2265: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c tenex2.c > "tenex2.c", line 1966: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c mbox.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c mh.c > "mh.c", line 1355: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c imap2.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c news.c > "news.c", line 1550: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c nntpclient.c > "nntpclient.c", line 1524: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c phile.c > "phile.c", line 1256: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c dummy.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c smtp.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c nntp.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c rfc822.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c misc.c > cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/rsh\" -c os_sv4.c > "os_sv4.c", line 294: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > mv os_sv4.o osdep.o > cc -g -Dconst= -c sm_unix.c > rm -f c-client.a > ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o \ > nntpclient.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o \ > sm_unix.o > echo -g -Dconst= > CFLAGS > echo -lsocket -lnsl -lgen > LDFLAGS > cc -g -Dconst= -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a -lsocket -lnsl -lgen > > Making Imapd > cd ../c-client;make > `mtest' is up to date. > cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c imapd.c > "imapd.c", line 880: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o imapd imapd.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` > > Making Pico > rm -f osdep.c > cp os_unix.c osdep.c > rm -f osdep.h > cp os_unix.h osdep.h > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O attach.c > "attach.c", line 246: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "attach.c", line 258: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "attach.c", line 271: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "attach.c", line 864: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O ansi.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O basic.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O bind.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O browse.c > "browse.c", line 1572: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O buffer.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O composer.c > "composer.c", line 690: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 714: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 963: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 1084: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 1233: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 1380: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O display.c > "display.c", line 947: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 949: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 960: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 974: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 998: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 1283: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O file.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O fileio.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O line.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O osdep.c > "osdep.c", line 1100: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "osdep.c", line 1125: warning: semantics of "<=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "osdep.c", line 1503: warning: argument #2 is incompatible with prototype: > prototype: pointer to function(int) returning void : "/usr/include/signal.h", line 64 > argument : pointer to function(void) returning void > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O pico.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O random.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O region.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O search.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O spell.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O tinfo.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O window.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O word.c > ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tinfo.o window.o word.o > ar: creating libpico.a > true libpico.a > cc5.sol -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL main.c libpico.a -ltermlib -o pico > sh: cc5.sol: not found > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `pico' > > Making Pine. > rm -f os.h > ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h > ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h > cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c > "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename > current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int > previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 112 > "addrbook.c", line 200: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "addrbook.c", line 204: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "addrbook.c", line 1349: cannot recover from previous errors > cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c > *** Error code 2 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o' > > Links to executables are in bin directory: > size: bin/pine: cannot open > bin/mtest: 384248 + 19976 + 1368 = 405592 > bin/imapd: 375080 + 20368 + 9340 = 404788 > size: bin/pico: cannot open > Done > manilla:.../src/pine3.89# ^D > script done on Sat Apr 30 11:51:32 1994 > script done on Sat Apr 30 11:51:32 1994 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 11:00:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27329; Mon, 2 May 94 11:00:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24632; Mon, 2 May 94 10:25:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24626; Mon, 2 May 94 10:25:42 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09907; Mon, 2 May 94 10:25:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 10:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: RFC1522, and elm-style sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII RFC1522 support is working its way up our list and we have some code, but more is always welcome. Fcc configurability is also on the short-list. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 1 May 1994, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Two questions: > > 1. Is Pine going to encode its headers according to RFC1522 any time > soon? I could give you code to encode a header, but I'm not going to > wade into Pine to find out where to insert the calls to it. > > 2. Pine does not currently offer the "fcc by first recipient"-style save > elm offers, and it doesn't seem easy to add without knowledge of Pine. Do > you think it's a bad idea? > > Regarding the comp.mail.pine creation, if anyone had problems with getting > mail to vote@lm.com, you can try again now, some problems have been fixed. > > --Arnt > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 13:15:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02603; Mon, 2 May 94 13:15:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28416; Mon, 2 May 94 12:58:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28402; Mon, 2 May 94 12:58:07 -0700 Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01304; Mon, 2 May 94 12:55:41 -0700 Received: by ListDist v0.2 for /usr/local/lib/pine-announce.cf Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01298; Mon, 2 May 94 12:55:38 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28366; Mon, 2 May 94 12:55:34 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14230; Mon, 2 May 94 12:55:33 -0700 Reply-To: vote@lm.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 12:55:28 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: CFV: comp.mail.pine X-Owner: pine-announce-request@cac.washington.edu X-To: pine-announce@cac.washington.edu LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.mail.pine Newsgroups line: comp.mail.pine The PINE mail user agent. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC May 13 1994 This CFV will be sent to the pine-info and pine-announce mailing lists. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact peterb@lm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Arnt Gulbrandsen . CHARTER This group is for discussion about use and development of the Pine mail/news user agent developed by the University of Washington. Any Pine-related and Pine-specific discussion is acceptable, but general discussion regarding e.g. MIME or incoming-mail filters is referred to other, more appropriate newsgroups. The group is not moderated. To be made moderated, the same procedure should be followed as for the creation of a new group at that time. The group is bidirectionally gatewayed to the mailing list pine-info@cac.washington.edu. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: vote@lm.com Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.mail.pine I vote NO on comp.mail.pine You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 16:32:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08370; Mon, 2 May 94 16:32:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03478; Mon, 2 May 94 16:20:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun.lclark.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03472; Mon, 2 May 94 16:20:49 -0700 Received: by lclark.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11661; Mon, 2 May 94 16:20:46 PDT Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 16:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Miller Reply-To: John Miller Subject: Mac Pine client To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'd like to underscore the need for a Mac IMAP client. Pleae comment on: What do the folks at UW use? Must be unix pine via telnet?? Can we get any better status information on Mailstrom 2.0 and/or Pine 3.8x? I've seen Mailstrom 2.0 and it had a nice look & feel, but crashed. Mark Crispin should be encouraged by the fact that many would be pleased as punch to just have a key-stroke driven mac version.. i.e no need to do massive re-design (seriously). What about using a cross-platform environment with the motif version to elicit a mac version?? Mail_Drop crashes on launch on my Mac II running System 6.0.8. :^( Help! People here are testing Pegasus! :^) Using unix pine from Mac is crazy man! (I use unix pine in IMAP mode) John Miller 503-768-7225 (@ Lewis & Clark College, no relation to David Miller) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 19:20:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12221; Mon, 2 May 94 19:20:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19343; Mon, 2 May 94 19:09:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19337; Mon, 2 May 94 19:09:16 -0700 Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA22235; Mon, 2 May 1994 21:14:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 21:14:32 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Regarding imap Mac mail clients ... is there a general consensus about the accuracy of Barry's Lany's comments about Mailstrom. This is the first I had heard of problems with its imap implementation. Although this is a pine list (and the Pine team does a fantastic job of providing information such as Terry Gray's recent mention of an addition to the Mac imap agents) I'd like a little more background on Mailstrom problems. I'd be especially interested in hearing from campuses who have used Mailstrom. Dan > On Mon, 2 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > But it should be noted that:- > > a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP > > comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does > > NOT include Mailstrom. > > There is a recent addition to the set of available Mac IMAP clients. It's > called "Mail Drop". From the file /mail/imap.software on > ftp.cac.washington.edu here is the contact info: > > Baylor University: (Mail Drop) > FTP: ackmo.baylor.edu: /pub/bell/Mail_Drop > MailDrop-Comments@baylor.edu > > It is very simple, but from the few tests I performed seemed to be stable. > MIME support is not there yet, but promised. > > -teg > -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 19:29:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12365; Mon, 2 May 94 19:29:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19495; Mon, 2 May 94 19:19:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19489; Mon, 2 May 94 19:19:19 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00103; Mon, 2 May 94 19:19:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: John Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mac Pine client In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 May 1994, John Miller wrote: > I'd like to underscore the need for a Mac IMAP client. Macs are certainly the biggest hole in the IMAP tapestry... > Pleae comment on: > > What do the folks at UW use? Must be unix pine via telnet?? A mixture of things. Some do indeed use NCSA Telnet to connect to a Unix host and run Pine. Others have had fair success with Mailstrom on certain platforms. > Can we get any better status information on Mailstrom 2.0 and/or Pine 3.8x? I have heard nothing from Adam Treister, Mailstrom's author, in quite a few months, but I am not on the mailstrom email lists. While not relevant to the Mac problem, the next release of Pine will be version 3.90 and we are still hoping for Beta "by late Spring". > I've seen Mailstrom 2.0 and it had a nice look & feel, but crashed. > Mark Crispin should be encouraged by the fact that many would be pleased > as punch to just have a key-stroke driven mac version.. i.e no need to do > massive re-design (seriously). Just for clarification for those who don't know: Mark has nothing to do with Mailstrom, other than providing imap technical assistance to Adam... However Mark did express interest in porting Pine to his Mac in his spare time, but I don't think he's had a chance to pursue this lately. > What about using a cross-platform environment with the motif version to > elicit a mac version?? I'm sure there is merit in this approach, but there are some alligators to watch out for as well. > Mail_Drop crashes on launch on my Mac II running System 6.0.8. :^( Sigh... > Help! People here are testing Pegasus! :^) And that on a Mac!? > Using unix pine from Mac is crazy man! (I use unix pine in IMAP mode) What can I say? We can't do everything... Know any Mac gurus looking for a project? -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 3 08:53:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25079; Tue, 3 May 94 08:53:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19394; Tue, 3 May 94 08:32:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19386; Tue, 3 May 94 08:32:32 -0700 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <19345-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 3 May 1994 16:31:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:31:52 BST From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Cc: Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: bl10@imap.cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 May 1994, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > On Mon, 2 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Apr 1994, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > > > > But it should be noted that:- > > a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP > > comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does > > NOT include Mailstrom. > > Our Mac person here has been experimenting with beta copies, which > seem to work OK (I don't know much about it). > I dont think this is the place to flame Mailstrom. We struggled for 9 months to provide a proper service, and as the result of a number of different problems, and after a lot of work, we decided we could not spare any further effort to a lost cause - and yes, we did try (several) beta versions. The killer for us is the unofficial nature of the product, so that (unlike Pine) there is no guaranteed support. > > b) ECS-mail is expensive, and PINE and Mailstrom are free. > > I was told the Windows version was only $24 (CND), which I thought yes, about $20 per seat. A lot of seats = a lot of money. A site licence was quoted at abut 20,000. For UK readers, I understand that CHEST are licensing it. > to be quite reasonable. It's not as good as free (and I do like > Pine better), but for people who want a native Windows mail > reader, it's a goo, inexpensive product. (My opinion). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 3 17:09:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11133; Tue, 3 May 94 17:09:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13736; Tue, 3 May 94 16:57:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13730; Tue, 3 May 94 16:57:17 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24368; Tue, 3 May 94 16:57:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Eric Jaron Stieglitz , Mike Roch Cc: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: several messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Summary: Projected date for Pine 3.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The current "best guess" on Pine 3.90 is still "late spring." The most optimistic estimate is the end of this month. I won't speculate on a pessimistic estimate ;) |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 3 May 1994, Eric Jaron Stieglitz wrote: > > This isn't really a bug, but I can't seem to find another address to > send this to. I've noticed that pine3.89 appears to be the latest version > of pine. When is the ETA for version 3.90? > > -Eric > On Sun, 3 Apr 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > Sherry, > > > > The final feature-list for Pine 3.9x is still a moving target. Some of > > > : > > --DLM > > Any estimate on Sherry's key question - "when?" > > Mike > > ============================================================================== > Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 > The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 07:39:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25142; Wed, 4 May 94 07:39:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27884; Wed, 4 May 94 07:21:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from acad.csv.kutztown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27878; Wed, 4 May 94 07:21:10 -0700 Received: by acad.csv.kutztown.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA04864; Wed, 4 May 94 10:22:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lisa M. Frye" Subject: Case sensitive addresses To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This may not be the proper list for this question but I was not sure where else to post it. Since upgrading to a new OS, e-mail addresses to our site have been case sensitive. If the user name is not in all lowercase letters, the mail is not deliverable. My sendmail.cf file does NOT have the F=u option for local mail (the Mlocal line). I cannot find any other reference to case sensitivity in my Sendmail books. It appears that unless F=u is specified, the address should be converted to all lower-case for the rules. Is it then my system that is refusing the mail (outside of sendmail)? Or am I missing something in the sendmail.cf file? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance :-) Lisa Frye frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474 Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634 "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 09:09:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28418; Wed, 4 May 94 09:09:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29537; Wed, 4 May 94 08:46:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from atc.boeing.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29531; Wed, 4 May 94 08:46:03 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA01019; Wed, 4 May 94 08:48:02 -0700 From: James R Buck Message-Id: <9405041548.AA01019@atc.boeing.com> Subject: subscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-announce@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 4 May 94 8:48:01 PDT Reply-To: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" X-Time: Wednesday, May 04, 1994 08:48:01 AM PDT X-Info: Issaquah, WA, USA; Bd. 7-359 12N4; MS 7P-CP; FAX: (206) 965-6110 Organization: BCS CATIA Plotting Applications (G-2D17) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] subscribe pine Jim Buck From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 11:23:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04191; Wed, 4 May 94 11:23:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22437; Wed, 4 May 94 11:07:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from agency.resource.ca.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22431; Wed, 4 May 94 11:07:27 -0700 Received: by agency.resource.ca.gov; id AA26102; Wed, 4 May 1994 11:09:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 11:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov)" Subject: OSF/1 and Pine Sending to Bitnet To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have some difficulty at present sending from our Internet system to bitnet addresses. The method is to address the message to a mailhost in Berkeley that translates the Internet message to the bitnet system. The form that we use is: @mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet Our system administrator has not been able to find a way that format to be used from within pine on our system, which is a DEC Alpha running OSF/1. We can use the regular OSF/1 mail program to send it without a problem. We would appreciate any information about why pine and mail handle this address differently, and what solutions may be available. We very much like pine and would like to be able to handle all our email messages through pine. ----------------------------------------------------- John Jewell California Research Bureau / California State Library Phone: (916) 322-0262 / Fax: (916) 322-0665 Internet: jjewell@library.ca.gov ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 12:00:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05791; Wed, 4 May 94 12:00:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04356; Wed, 4 May 94 11:46:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04350; Wed, 4 May 94 11:46:18 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16929; Wed, 4 May 94 11:46:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 11:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov)" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: OSF/1 and Pine Sending to Bitnet In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, To be a valid source-routed address, you need to enclose the whole thing in "<>", i.e. <@mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet> You can also try the form user%node.bitnet@mailhost.berkeley.edu which I believe is the preferred form on the Internet. I hope that helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 4 May 1994, John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov) wrote: > > > We have some difficulty at present sending from our Internet system to > bitnet addresses. The method is to address the message to a mailhost in > Berkeley that translates the Internet message to the bitnet system. The > form that we use is: > > @mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet > > Our system administrator has not been able to find a way that format to > be used from within pine on our system, which is a DEC Alpha running > OSF/1. We can use the regular OSF/1 mail program to send it without a > problem. > > We would appreciate any information about why pine and mail handle this > address differently, and what solutions may be available. We very much > like pine and would like to be able to handle all our email messages > through pine. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > John Jewell > California Research Bureau / California State Library > Phone: (916) 322-0262 / Fax: (916) 322-0665 > Internet: jjewell@library.ca.gov > ----------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 12:17:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06258; Wed, 4 May 94 12:17:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23924; Wed, 4 May 94 12:01:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23918; Wed, 4 May 94 12:01:57 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28293; Wed, 4 May 94 12:01:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov)" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: OSF/1 and Pine Sending to Bitnet In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try user%node.bitnet@mailhost.berkeley.edu -teg On Wed, 4 May 1994, John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov) wrote: > > > We have some difficulty at present sending from our Internet system to > bitnet addresses. The method is to address the message to a mailhost in > Berkeley that translates the Internet message to the bitnet system. The > form that we use is: > > @mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet > > Our system administrator has not been able to find a way that format to > be used from within pine on our system, which is a DEC Alpha running > OSF/1. We can use the regular OSF/1 mail program to send it without a > problem. > > We would appreciate any information about why pine and mail handle this > address differently, and what solutions may be available. We very much > like pine and would like to be able to handle all our email messages > through pine. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > John Jewell > California Research Bureau / California State Library > Phone: (916) 322-0262 / Fax: (916) 322-0665 > Internet: jjewell@library.ca.gov > ----------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 12:36:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06707; Wed, 4 May 94 12:36:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24136; Wed, 4 May 94 12:11:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24130; Wed, 4 May 94 12:11:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA27758; Wed, 4 May 1994 12:11:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199405041911.MAA27758@weber.ucsd.edu> To: "Lisa M. Frye" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Reply-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Case sensitive addresses In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 May 1994 10:22:10 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <27751.768078696.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Wed, 04 May 1994 12:11:37 -0700 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" You are correct. The deletion of F=u should be sufficient to allow mail sent to any case to be deliverable. There is nothing else in sendmail.cf. If you recently removed F=u - did you refreeze sendmail.cf (sendmail -bz) ? You could post to the newsgroup comp.mail.sendmail (along with a fuller problem description e.g. the error message from sendmail,OS). That would be a more knowledgeable arena for this problem. -mike > > This may not be the proper list for this question but I was not sure > where else to post it. Since upgrading to a new OS, e-mail addresses to > our site have been case sensitive. If the user name is not in all > lowercase letters, the mail is not deliverable. My sendmail.cf file does > NOT have the F=u option for local mail (the Mlocal line). I cannot find > any other reference to case sensitivity in my Sendmail books. It appears > that unless F=u is specified, the address should be converted to all > lower-case for the rules. Is it then my system that is refusing the mail > (outside of sendmail)? Or am I missing something in the sendmail.cf > file? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance :-) > > > > Lisa Frye frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu > Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 > Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474 > Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634 > > "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 14:12:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10056; Wed, 4 May 94 14:12:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26720; Wed, 4 May 94 13:56:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from aldus.northnet.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26714; Wed, 4 May 94 13:56:03 -0700 Received: by Aldus.NorthNet.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00281; Wed, 4 May 94 16:59:40 EDT Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 16:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas J. Blauvelt" Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 14:40:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10957; Wed, 4 May 94 14:40:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27489; Wed, 4 May 94 14:26:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27483; Wed, 4 May 94 14:26:09 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18061; Wed, 4 May 94 14:26:07 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 04 May 94 23:25:24+0200 Date: 04 May 94 23:25:24+0200 From: Thomas J. Blauvelt Message-Id: <674726*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , PINE mailing list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 16:15:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14010; Wed, 4 May 94 16:15:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10742; Wed, 4 May 94 16:01:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10736; Wed, 4 May 94 16:01:11 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0pypw9-0007HjC; Wed, 4 May 94 16:01 PDT Received: from asl5 by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA05838; Wed, 4 May 1994 15:38:22 -0700 Received: by asl5.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA08612; Wed, 4 May 1994 15:35:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 15:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: finger capabilities? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name without actually EXITING pine. This also brings to mind the question...is there a way that users can shell out of pine to run things on the command line (other than by using "suspend") B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 19:59:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18250; Wed, 4 May 94 19:59:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04385; Wed, 4 May 94 19:48:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04371; Wed, 4 May 94 19:47:42 -0700 Received: from mimsy.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) with UUCP id AA23560; Wed, 4 May 94 22:21:37 EDT Received: from localhost by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04970; Wed, 4 May 1994 22:21:08 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwomx25633; Wed, 4 May 94 21:48:48 -0400 Received: from moore by mail.uunet.ca with UUCP id <91289-1>; Wed, 4 May 1994 21:48:21 -0400 Received: by moore.com (4.1/smail2.5/01-12-90) id AA06615; Wed, 4 May 94 21:47:01 EDT Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 21:46:58 -0400 From: Paul Maclauchlan Reply-To: Paul Maclauchlan Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > > Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? > many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > without actually EXITING pine. I think this need would be better satisfied with a global address book / directory service. It is the most glaring missing feature of PINE. > This also brings to mind the question...is there a way that users can > shell out of pine to run things on the command line (other than by using > "suspend") PINE is very good at keeping users away from the operating system, and adding shell escapes would be a mistake. -- .../Paul Maclauchlan Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600 paul@moore.com -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul "When you look up through the wire...do you count the stars at night?"/EJ&BT'85 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 00:17:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21550; Thu, 5 May 94 00:17:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18774; Thu, 5 May 94 00:00:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18768; Thu, 5 May 94 00:00:39 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0pyxQD-00053mC; Thu, 5 May 94 00:00 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA12915; Wed, 4 May 1994 23:42:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: Paul Maclauchlan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 May 1994, Paul Maclauchlan wrote: > > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > > without actually EXITING pine. > > I think this need would be better satisfied with a global address book / > directory service. It is the most glaring missing feature of PINE. This would be a definite plus...no doubt there. > > > This also brings to mind the question...is there a way that users can > > shell out of pine to run things on the command line (other than by using > > "suspend") > > PINE is very good at keeping users away from the operating system, and > adding shell escapes would be a mistake. If it were a "compilable" option maybe? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 01:16:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22510; Thu, 5 May 94 01:16:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09376; Thu, 5 May 94 01:01:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09370; Thu, 5 May 94 01:01:12 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail2.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <18359-0@mail2.reading.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 May 1994 09:00:45 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 09:00:46 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 804 On Wed, 4 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? > many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > without actually EXITING pine. finger, (perhaps tucked away in the addressbook - f key "spare" at the moment,) would be very useful for us too. [BTW finger at our site (many Suns running YP) can take about a minute to report given a surname - does this square with others' experience?] Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 04:24:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25698; Thu, 5 May 94 04:24:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11777; Thu, 5 May 94 03:53:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from livbird.liv.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11771; Thu, 5 May 94 03:53:20 -0700 Received: from liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk by liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk via Local channel id <21418-0@liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 May 1994 11:53:05 +0100 Subject: local & remote folders (2nd attempt) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:53:04 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 531 From: Alan Thew Message-Id: <"liverbird..420:05.04.94.10.53.06"@liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk> On Tue, 26 Apr 1994 12:15:33 +0100 (BST) I wrote: > On reading the pinerc files for 3.89, it would appear that both should > be available/supported but when I try, I only get one or the other > (usually local). Is this a bug or feature? > ... Sorry to repeat the question but this is something that is important to us. My apologies if the answer has gone astray. Thank you. -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 51 794-3735 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 51 794-3759 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 08:59:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00843; Thu, 5 May 94 08:59:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26927; Thu, 5 May 94 08:30:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26921; Thu, 5 May 94 08:30:44 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0pz5Nq-00081YC; Thu, 5 May 94 08:30 PDT Received: from asl5 by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA18888; Thu, 5 May 1994 08:14:37 -0700 Received: by asl5.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA10962; Thu, 5 May 1994 08:11:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 08:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: local & remote folders (2nd attempt) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <"liverbird..420:05.04.94.10.53.06"@liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 May 1994, Alan Thew wrote: > On Tue, 26 Apr 1994 12:15:33 +0100 (BST) I wrote: > > On reading the pinerc files for 3.89, it would appear that both should > > be available/supported but when I try, I only get one or the other > > (usually local). Is this a bug or feature? > > > ... > Sorry to repeat the question but this is something that is important > to us. My apologies if the answer has gone astray. Not sure what you mean by one or the other, but on our system, the way I found I had to get multiple inbound folders available was by setting .pinerc to 444 before firing up pine....otherwise it would keep losing the comma after the first inbox :( But to get the remote inboxes was simply: # inbox-path specifies the name/path/location of your INBOX. Example: # inbox-path={carson.u.washington.edu}inbox (INBOX on a remote computer) # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /user/spool/mail/$USER) inbox-path= # incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages. # Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path # Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive # email on several different machines. # Example: # incoming-folders=Consulting {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-help, # Widget-Project {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-widget, # Old-Student-Acct {imap.berkeley.edu}inbox incoming-folders=ASL4 {asl4}INBOX, ASL3 {asl3}INBOX Where asl3 and asl4 are hosts on our network. Good luck. Hope that helps. It certainly is a great feature. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 09:05:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01533; Thu, 5 May 94 09:05:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17040; Thu, 5 May 94 08:39:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17034; Thu, 5 May 94 08:39:56 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13111; Thu, 5 May 94 08:39:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Alan Thew Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: local & remote folders (2nd attempt) In-Reply-To: <"liverbird..420:05.04.94.10.53.06"@liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alan, Yes, you can have both local and remote folders. Can you send a copy of a .pinerc file you have configured for both, but is failing? Sorry about the delay! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 5 May 1994, Alan Thew wrote: > On Tue, 26 Apr 1994 12:15:33 +0100 (BST) I wrote: > > On reading the pinerc files for 3.89, it would appear that both should > > be available/supported but when I try, I only get one or the other > > (usually local). Is this a bug or feature? > > > ... > Sorry to repeat the question but this is something that is important > to us. My apologies if the answer has gone astray. > > Thank you. > > > -- > Alan Thew > alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 51 794-3735 > University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 51 794-3759 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 09:19:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01912; Thu, 5 May 94 09:19:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17901; Thu, 5 May 94 09:06:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from coat.coat.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17891; Thu, 5 May 94 09:06:46 -0700 Received: from leda.coat.com by coat.coat.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA05711; Thu, 5 May 94 12:06:23 EDT Received: by leda.coat.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17314; Thu, 5 May 94 12:06:32 EDT Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Behrens Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: Paul Maclauchlan Cc: "Brian P. Hampson" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? > many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > without actually EXITING pine. I don't think this is a good idea. "Finger" is only helpful if all users are on one system (unless you expect users to remember host names as well). At many sites, this is simply not the case. I agree with Paul Maclauchlan -- PINE needs a global address book, it's the biggest thing that is missing. -- Andy Behrens P.O. Box 116, South Strafford, Vt. (802) 765-4138 Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Lane, Etna, N.H. 03750 (603) 643-2800 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 10:41:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04262; Thu, 5 May 94 10:41:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19822; Thu, 5 May 94 10:28:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nsipo.arc.nasa.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19816; Thu, 5 May 94 10:28:35 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by nsipo.arc.nasa.gov (4.1/1.5) id AA06978; Thu, 5 May 94 10:28:28 PDT Received: by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (5.65/SunOS-4.1.3) id AA23111; Thu, 5 May 94 13:25:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: Andy Behrens Cc: Paul Maclauchlan , "Brian P. Hampson" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 May 1994, Andy Behrens wrote: > I agree with Paul Maclauchlan -- PINE needs a global address book, it's > the biggest thing that is missing. Preferrably standards based? X.500/LDAP (that's what NASA uses)? PH? Whois++?? So many standards to choose from!!! :{) Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | reflect those of the NSI program, | |+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 10:57:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04756; Thu, 5 May 94 10:57:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20220; Thu, 5 May 94 10:46:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from castor.cc.utu.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20214; Thu, 5 May 94 10:46:28 -0700 Received: from indi by utu.fi id <166509-4>; Thu, 5 May 1994 20:45:53 +0300 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 20:45:15 +0300 From: Kari Sutela Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: Mike Roch Cc: "Brian P. Hampson" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 May 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > [BTW finger at our site (many Suns running YP) can take about a minute to > report given a surname - does this square with others' experience?] Yes. Our site has about 5000 users in our yp passwd map and finger can be painfully slow. IMHO, a good directory service sh /KS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 11:38:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06272; Thu, 5 May 94 11:38:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21170; Thu, 5 May 94 11:23:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21164; Thu, 5 May 94 11:23:26 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17601; Thu, 5 May 94 11:23:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Kevin Pinto Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: Suggested enhancement In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Perhaps and yes, but they are not yet implemented. Thanks for the suggestion! |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, Kevin Pinto wrote: > > Hi David > > If you use multiple folders and tab between them, you often have to deal > with: > > No more messages. View next folder "Procmail"? (y/n/^C) [y]: > > Are there any plans to let the tab key: > 1. Move silently to the next folder. > 2. Skip across folders with no new messages? > > These enhancements would be great. > > Thanks and regards, > Kevin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Pinto, Chem Engg, ASU, Tempe, AZ > My mailer understands MIME > "Beware of reading health books; you may die of a misprint" - Mark Twain > "An armed society is a polite society" - Beyond This Horizon, Robert Heinlein > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 11:41:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06427; Thu, 5 May 94 11:41:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01256; Thu, 5 May 94 11:25:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01250; Thu, 5 May 94 11:25:26 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17626; Thu, 5 May 94 11:25:01 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Michael A Naud Cc: Pine discussion group Subject: Re: Eliminating news folder In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine should not read your .newsrc file unless a news collection is opened. What kind of problems are you experiencing? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 28 Apr 1994, Michael A Naud wrote: > > I have tried several ways to not have pine read my .newsrc file. How do > you eliminate this? I have tried modifying my .pinerc file, but with no > luck. What obvious thing am I missing. > > Michael A. Naud > > ---- > Michael A. Naud Nazareth College of Rochester > (716) 586-2525 ext.827 VOICE Dept. of Academic Computing > (716) 586-2452 FACSIMILE 4245 East Avenue > manaud@naz.edu E-MAIL Rochester, NY 14618-3980 USA > > "...you're Norma Desmond. You were big." Gloria Swanson to William > "I am big. It's the pictures that got small." Holden in "Sunset Boulevard" > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 11:41:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06451; Thu, 5 May 94 11:41:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21230; Thu, 5 May 94 11:26:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21224; Thu, 5 May 94 11:26:13 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail2.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <03606-0@mail2.reading.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 May 1994 19:25:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:25:36 +0100 (BST) From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: "Michael C. Newell" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1079 On Thu, 5 May 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 1994, Andy Behrens wrote: > > > I agree with Paul Maclauchlan -- PINE needs a global address book, it's > > the biggest thing that is missing. > > Preferrably standards based? X.500/LDAP (that's what NASA uses)? PH? > Whois++?? So many standards to choose from!!! :{) Given that there are so many to choose from, and sites vary in which they support (look me up in X.500 and compare with my real address below!), perhaps a sensible approach would be to put a hook into pine to run an external program, which could then be finger, whois or whatever. (OK so that wouldn't integrate seamlessly with Pine's address book, but it would give at least some functionality - and be quick and easy for the pine folks to get out the door!) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 11:43:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06531; Thu, 5 May 94 11:43:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21373; Thu, 5 May 94 11:30:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21367; Thu, 5 May 94 11:30:33 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17714; Thu, 5 May 94 11:30:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Martin Spohn Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: behavior of cursor keys In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can you figure out what escape sequences are generated by the cursor keys. Pine uses a hard-coded keyboard mapping, so it is possible that your user's terminal emulation is generating sequences we have not seen before... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 2 May 1994, Martin Spohn wrote: > Dear Pine Team, > > one of our users complained that he cannot use the cursor keys > of his notebook inside pine. > For example, when he is composing a message with pico > cursor-left gives "t" > cursor-right gives "v" > cursor-up gives "x" > cursor-down gives "r" > > However in other applications the cursor keys behave as they should. > > Can you please help us with some hints? > > Thanks > > Martin Spohn > Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung Telefon: +49 7071 29-6970 (Fax: -5912) > Abteilung Netze E-Mail: > Universitaet Tuebingen SMTP: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de > Brunnenstrasse 27 X.400: C=de;A=d400;P=uni-tuebingen;O=zdv;S=spohn > D-72074 Tuebingen > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 13:24:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09781; Thu, 5 May 94 13:24:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23790; Thu, 5 May 94 13:10:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23784; Thu, 5 May 94 13:10:52 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20785; Thu, 5 May 94 13:10:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Barry Landy Cc: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" , Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > that (unlike Pine) there is no guaranteed support. Oh yeah? Since when do we *guarantee* support for Pine? ;) Our support might be better than what some commercial companies do, but keep in mind that we are funded only to support the UW community and anything else is just "making Pine better for UW users." Outside support could dry up overnight if someone decides it is a waste of taxpayers' money.... Now, with that bit of a reality-check done, next suggestion? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 15:53:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14492; Thu, 5 May 94 15:53:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27389; Thu, 5 May 94 15:40:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bruny.cc.utas.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27383; Thu, 5 May 94 15:40:40 -0700 Received: (from jw_lamp@localhost) by bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA03511; Fri, 6 May 1994 08:40:38 +1000 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 08:37:25 +1000 (EST) From: John Lamp Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The other problem with finger is the increasing use of aliases (such as postoffice.utas.edu.au). Hooks for, or client code embedded, to contact a ph (CSO) server would be more useful. Cheers John _--_|\ John Lamp, originating in Hobart, Tasmania / \ Phone: 002 20 2957 - Fax: 002 34 5685 \_.--._/ email: jw_lamp@postoffice.utas.edu.au v <----------<<< jw_lamp@calvados.apana.org.au On Thu, 5 May 1994, Andy Behrens wrote: > On Wed, 4 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > > Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? > > many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on > > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > > without actually EXITING pine. > > I don't think this is a good idea. "Finger" is only helpful if all > users are on one system (unless you expect users to remember host names > as well). At many sites, this is simply not the case. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 00:01:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23356; Fri, 6 May 94 00:01:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15669; Thu, 5 May 94 23:48:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15663; Thu, 5 May 94 23:47:59 -0700 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0pzJhV-000BzIC; Fri, 6 May 94 07:47 BST Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 07:47:56 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > On Tue, 3 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > that (unlike Pine) there is no guaranteed support. > > Oh yeah? Since when do we *guarantee* support for Pine? ;) > > Perhaps I should rephrase that! Mailstrom has *no* staff permanently assigned to its maintenance, which compares unfavourably to PINE, which at least for the time being has a team in place which has the mission of maintaining and developing PINE for the benefit of the U of W, and we can all reasonably expect to benefit by riding on the coat-tails of the U of W. Better? ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 01:44:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24853; Fri, 6 May 94 01:44:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17127; Fri, 6 May 94 01:29:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17121; Fri, 6 May 94 01:29:23 -0700 Received: from monera.newcastle.ac.uk (monera.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (5.65cVUW/NCL-CMA.1.35 ) with SMTP; Fri, 6 May 1994 09:29:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 09:04:11 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Ward Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: Barry Landy Cc: David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am sure that the Pine team (and therefore U of W) benefit from the larger sample of user feedback (and therefore make a better Pine) but at some cost. I am sure that the knowledgeable users around the world feed in ideas and even code. And, as we all know, doing good is its own reward (the U of W is, of course, world famous as a result of Pine :-) ). """"" Wot - U of W - yeah o o ----oOo----O----oOo---- | | | | ----------------------- | | | | But perhaps, before Pine gets dragged down by the coat tails we should all ask (and the Pine team should think about) how does the wider user community support in-house projects made more generally available, and support Pine in particular. There's a lot of good will but I don't have any good ideas, and perhaps it has to come from the Pine team since they are the only ones who know the costs/benefits and pressures. Alan Ward Department of Microbiology University of Newcastle upon Tyne On Fri, 6 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 3 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > > > that (unlike Pine) there is no guaranteed support. > > > > Oh yeah? Since when do we *guarantee* support for Pine? ;) > > > > > Perhaps I should rephrase that! > Mailstrom has *no* staff permanently assigned to its maintenance, which > compares unfavourably to PINE, which at least for the time being has a > team in place which has the mission of maintaining and developing PINE > for the benefit of the U of W, and we can all reasonably expect to > benefit by riding on the coat-tails of the U of W. > > Better? > ======================================================================= > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, > University of Cambridge Computing Service > Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 02:52:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25559; Fri, 6 May 94 02:52:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08889; Fri, 6 May 94 02:36:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from scsx01.sc.ehu.es by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08883; Fri, 6 May 94 02:36:40 -0700 Received: by scsx01.sc.ehu.es (4.1/4.7 ) id AA14961; Fri, 6 May 94 11:50:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:50:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Cuenta SAID Subject: Problems with packet drivers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! I am writting from The Basque Country, in Spain. We have problems with the PC-Pine when using the packet drivers for ODI (we can't connect with the port 25, for example). Someone knows if the PC-Pine only works with the "pure" packet drivers? Thanks in advance. Txomin Romero From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 03:52:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26563; Fri, 6 May 94 03:52:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09705; Fri, 6 May 94 03:35:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from falcon.cs.ust.hk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09699; Fri, 6 May 94 03:35:52 -0700 Received: by falcon.cs.ust.hk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01223; Fri, 6 May 94 18:35:47 HKT Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 18:35:45 +0800 (HKT) From: Yeung Chee Wai Subject: A question on using rimap To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Yeung Chee Wai Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I would like to setup imap to behave as rimap. However, the doc says that I have to have rimap in /etc. Checking the in imap2.c shows that the filename is hardcoded. I tried to change it to something else but it doesn't work (still expects from /etc/rimap since as soon as I put it back in there it works). Is there a way to make imap to work as rimap such that rimap is in somewhere else (like /usr/local/etc/rimap)? Thanks in advance Chee Wai ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4203 \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7005 v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@cs.ust.hk ^^^^^^^^ cheewai@HK.Super.NET This is Australia, Not HK :-) "How to draw a dotted-line?" "Ans: Pick up a pencil!" "COBOL is just a bug with syntax." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 04:04:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26777; Fri, 6 May 94 04:04:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09881; Fri, 6 May 94 03:49:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09863; Fri, 6 May 94 03:49:25 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail2.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <23491-0@mail2.reading.ac.uk>; Fri, 6 May 1994 11:46:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:46:36 +0100 (BST) From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: Problems with packet drivers To: Cuenta SAID Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1030 On Fri, 6 May 1994, Cuenta SAID wrote: > Hello! I am writting from The Basque Country, in Spain. We have > problems with the PC-Pine when using the packet drivers for ODI (we can't > connect with the port 25, for example). Someone knows if the PC-Pine only > works with the "pure" packet drivers? I use PC Pine with a packet driver - but not with ODI. Is there an ODI-to-packet shim that you are using? A useful program to test your packet driver is trypktd, which comes with NuPOP (I can mail you a copy if you like) - it scans the interrupt list looking for a packet driver so you can at least tell if that is working. Incidentally (someone correct me if I am wrong), I don't think PINE uses port 25 (smtp) - it should use port 143 (imap). John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 07:49:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00314; Fri, 6 May 94 07:49:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22867; Fri, 6 May 94 07:38:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22861; Fri, 6 May 94 07:38:53 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26787; Fri, 6 May 94 07:35:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 07:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: John Stumbles Cc: Cuenta SAID , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problems with packet drivers In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Incidentally (someone correct me if I am wrong), I don't think PINE uses > port 25 (smtp) - it should use port 143 (imap). PC-Pine uses both: smtp for sending, imap for reading/saving. (And optionally, nntp for reading --and soon, posting-- news.) Unix Pine has the option of handing outgoing messages directly to the local sendmail, but it can also be configured to use smtp for sending. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 08:48:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02079; Fri, 6 May 94 08:48:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24016; Fri, 6 May 94 08:32:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gw1.epmhs.gr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23943; Fri, 6 May 94 08:30:27 -0700 Received: by epmhs.gr id AA24945 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 6 May 1994 18:23:26 +0300 From: Nikos Passas Message-Id: <199405061523.AA24945@epmhs.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Help! (using pine in vms) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 18:23:24 +0300 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5] Content-Length: 2229 Content-Id: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Charset: ELOT_928 X-Char-Esc: 29 Hello all, I'm just a new user of pine. I have just installed it in a VAX/VMS and something seems to be wrong because I can't send any messages. I set PINE_MAIL_PROTOCOL to "MX", since that's the protocol we are using, but when I write a message and try to send it I get the following messages: ------------------- included messages --------------------------------- %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user !AS at !AS -SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC =000DF849, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC 000DF849 000DF849 000DFEDB 000DFEDB ----- above condition handler called with exception 0000000C: %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC =001D9069, PSL=03C00004 ----- end of exception message 001D9069 001D9069 000DCCB3 000DCCB3 000DFC80 000DFC80 000D86C6 000D86C6 000D880B 000D880B VMS_MAIL vms_mail_send 5397 000003FE 000A06CA SEND call_vms_mail_send 6799 0000007C 000777E0 SEND call_mailer 6680 0000036B 0007754B SEND pine_send 6382 00000548 00076FA0 SEND compose_mail 5643 00000436 00076582 SEND compose_screen 5445 0000001F 0007614B PINE main 5470 00000725 00056725 ------------------------ end of included messages ------------------------ Since I don't know much about how mail works in VMS I cannot locate the problem. Has anyone any ideas about what can be wrong? Thanks in advance Nikos Passas (npas@gw1.epmhs.gr) NOC Ariadne - Athens, Greece From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 10:02:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05393; Fri, 6 May 94 10:02:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16862; Fri, 6 May 94 09:41:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16856; Fri, 6 May 94 09:41:39 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17512; Fri, 6 May 94 09:41:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 09:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Yeung Chee Wai Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Yeung Chee Wai Subject: Re: A question on using rimap In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chee, If you change the location of rimapd, you have to change all of the _clients_ that will be using it (e.g. pine). This means that you have to change all of the Pine clients that will be accessing that server via rimap.... I hope that helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 6 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to setup imap to behave as rimap. However, the doc > says that I have to have rimap in /etc. Checking the in imap2.c shows > that the filename is hardcoded. I tried to change it to something else > but it doesn't work (still expects from /etc/rimap since as soon as I put > it back in there it works). > > Is there a way to make imap to work as rimap such that rimap is > in somewhere else (like /usr/local/etc/rimap)? > > Thanks in advance > > Chee Wai > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician > / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4203 > \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7005 > v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 > Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@cs.ust.hk > ^^^^^^^^ cheewai@HK.Super.NET > This is Australia, Not HK :-) > > "How to draw a dotted-line?" > "Ans: Pick up a pencil!" > > "COBOL is just a bug with syntax." > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 10:47:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07089; Fri, 6 May 94 10:47:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27146; Fri, 6 May 94 10:36:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27140; Fri, 6 May 94 10:36:16 -0700 Received: from muddog.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06807; Fri, 6 May 94 10:36:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 10:36:11 -0800 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: David L Miller Cc: Yeung Chee Wai , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: A question on using rimap X-Sender: gray@phantom.cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Of course, the entry in /etc/ can be a *link* to wherever the real executable lives. -teg On Fri, 6 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Chee, > > If you change the location of rimapd, you have to change all of the _clients_ > that will be using it (e.g. pine). This means that you have to change all of > the Pine clients that will be accessing that server via rimap.... > > I hope that helps! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Fri, 6 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > I would like to setup imap to behave as rimap. However, the doc > > says that I have to have rimap in /etc. Checking the in imap2.c shows > > that the filename is hardcoded. I tried to change it to something else > > but it doesn't work (still expects from /etc/rimap since as soon as I put > > it back in there it works). > > > > Is there a way to make imap to work as rimap such that rimap is > > in somewhere else (like /usr/local/etc/rimap)? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Chee Wai > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician > > / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4203 > > \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7005 > > v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 > > Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@cs.ust.hk > > ^^^^^^^^ cheewai@HK.Super.NET > > This is Australia, Not HK :-) > > > > "How to draw a dotted-line?" > > "Ans: Pick up a pencil!" > > > > "COBOL is just a bug with syntax." > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 13:44:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12652; Fri, 6 May 94 13:44:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22515; Fri, 6 May 94 13:33:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22508; Fri, 6 May 94 13:32:58 -0700 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA18280; Fri, 6 May 1994 16:31:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:31:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sherry H. Lake" Subject: PC-Pine Release To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When release 3.90 of pine comes out (in Late Spring :-) ), will there be a newer release of PC-Pine too. Any info on "What's new - improved" in the next release? Thanks.... Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 14:17:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13653; Fri, 6 May 94 14:17:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01788; Fri, 6 May 94 14:03:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01780; Fri, 6 May 94 14:03:21 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25665; Fri, 6 May 94 14:03:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Sherry H. Lake" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine Release In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sherry, Yes, all versions of Pine and PC-Pine will be released simultaneously. The only exception is the ports that are not included in the main distribution (e.g. VMS). --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 6 May 1994, Sherry H. Lake wrote: > When release 3.90 of pine comes out (in Late Spring :-) ), will there be > a newer release of PC-Pine too. > > Any info on "What's new - improved" in the next release? > > Thanks.... > Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu > Electronic Mail Consultant > George Mason University > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 23:09:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24875; Fri, 6 May 94 23:09:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03338; Fri, 6 May 94 22:57:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bruny.cc.utas.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03324; Fri, 6 May 94 22:57:50 -0700 Received: (from jw_lamp@localhost) by bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA24405; Sat, 7 May 1994 15:57:42 +1000 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 15:54:44 +1000 (EST) From: John Lamp Subject: Re: PC-Pine Release To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would really appreciate the inclusion of a version of pico which uses either the ANSI codes that the IBM-PC knows about or vt100 screen addressing, so that I can make pico running on my PC accessible via modem. Cheers John _--_|\ John Lamp, originating in Hobart, Tasmania / \ Phone: 002 20 2957 - Fax: 002 34 5685 \_.--._/ email: jw_lamp@postoffice.utas.edu.au v <----------<<< jw_lamp@calvados.apana.org.au On Fri, 6 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Yes, all versions of Pine and PC-Pine will be released simultaneously. The > only exception is the ports that are not included in the main distribution > (e.g. VMS). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 7 09:06:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01833; Sat, 7 May 94 09:06:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11861; Sat, 7 May 94 08:54:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mucc.mahidol.ac.th by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11855; Sat, 7 May 94 08:54:28 -0700 Received: by mucc.mahidol.ac.th (5.4R2.01/200.1.1.4) id AA24337; Sat, 7 May 1994 22:52:57 +0700 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 22:52:56 +0700 (GMT) From: Prem Sumetpong Subject: Features To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Are there any plans to add Hot-key sequence to "quick-move to beginning of mail" or end of mail in Pine 3.90 ? I find myself pressing ^Y or ^V many times while browsing really long mails ? Thanks Prem =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Prem Sumetpong | Tel (Off) : (662) 247-0333 Mahidol University Computing Center | (Fax) : (662) 246-7308 Faculty of Science, Mahidol University | email : ccpsm@mucc.mahidol.ac.th Rama 6 Rd, Bangkok 10400 , Thailand. | postmaster@mucc.mahidol.ac.th =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 7 10:34:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02591; Sat, 7 May 94 10:34:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21121; Sat, 7 May 94 10:20:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21115; Sat, 7 May 94 10:20:39 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20290; Sat, 7 May 94 10:20:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Prem Sumetpong Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Features In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes. -teg On Sat, 7 May 1994, Prem Sumetpong wrote: > Hi, > Are there any plans to add Hot-key sequence to "quick-move to beginning of > mail" or end of mail in Pine 3.90 ? I find myself pressing ^Y or ^V many > times while browsing really long mails ? > > Thanks > Prem > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Prem Sumetpong | Tel (Off) : (662) 247-0333 > Mahidol University Computing Center | (Fax) : (662) 246-7308 > Faculty of Science, Mahidol University | email : ccpsm@mucc.mahidol.ac.th > Rama 6 Rd, Bangkok 10400 , Thailand. | postmaster@mucc.mahidol.ac.th > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 7 13:49:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04461; Sat, 7 May 94 13:49:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23989; Sat, 7 May 94 13:41:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cidsv07.cid.aes.doe.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23983; Sat, 7 May 94 13:41:11 -0700 Received: by cidsv07.cid.aes.doe.CA id AA14927 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sat, 7 May 1994 20:41:06 GMT Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 20:41:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Yves Pelletier Subject: help To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII help end From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 7 19:43:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07513; Sat, 7 May 94 19:43:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20708; Sat, 7 May 94 19:33:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cap.gwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20702; Sat, 7 May 94 19:33:20 -0700 Received: by cap.gwu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18663; Sat, 7 May 94 22:33:54 EDT Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 22:27:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Unemployed Eastern European System Cracker in Michigan Reply-To: Some Clown with a faraway account Subject: Pine3.90 as ESMTP client, maybe? To: Unwitting Mailing-list Victims Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Your message was read in Michigan from Washington DC via IMAP from the machine in Ko=B9ice, Slovakia, where it appeAAAAAAAGH!! SHUT UP! It was NOT!!!!@! Ooops, sorry about that. Ahem. As Pine will function happily as a SMTP client, making a connection to perhaps a different machine to pass along a mail message, will the next release of Pine, or one upcoming shortly, have ESMTP support for 8BITMIME? I know the U Washington still relies on IDA 5.65 on most of its machines, but from headers I can see that Pine is seeing widespread usage at many schools which speak EHLO, having upgraded to BSD sendmail 8.6.whatever, and even the latest ZMailer, which is installed on my machine in Slovakia, speaks ESMTP, and this would be a good chance for me to be distracted by that. The advantage of Pine as an ESMTP client, for those who do not know, would be that it could pass a message as 8-bit text, rather than converting it to QUOTED-PRINTABLE or BASE64, with the resulting increase in message size. Then, if I need to mail images from Europe to my friends at the U of Michigan, it would consume no more bandwidth than an FTP transfer, rather than being 4/3 the size of the attachment. Of course, if the server does not speak ESMTP, Pine would send the message as it does now with SMTP. The Crack Pine Team could only get BASE64-encoded pictures, instead of a BINARY transfer, until upgrading. If I understand this right, this could only work when Pine passes the message off with SMTP (ESMTP) rather than handing it off to the sendmail program directly, since Pine would have no way of knowing whether the sendmail supports 8BITMIME without actually talking to it. For users who prefer to have the local machine do the delivery with sendmail, rather than speaking SMTP to it, I suppose there could be a system-wide configuration option which could be set if some MIME-aware sendmail is installed on the system. However, this would lead to difficulties if the value is set and the sendmail does not truly speak ESMTP, such as IDA 5.65 or whatever, perhaps compiled for an 8-bit-clean path, since it would not know how to convert the message to a 7-bit transfer method if the machine it speaks to does not handle 8BITMIME. (There are quite a few people who believe all that is necessary to be able to handle 8-bit mail safely is to configure their sendmail for an 8-bit-clean path, but that's not enough, and permitting Pine to speak 8-bit without verifying that the mailer can convert to a 7-bit transfer method would go against MIME, so it's probably best to use the 8-bit transfer only when configured as an ESMTP client.) So, I just thought I'd ask to see when this would be supported, to help Pine take fuller advantage of the MIME-aware mailers that are becoming increasingly common... Barry Bouwsma; I'll go away and leave you alone now From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 8 09:22:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16210; Sun, 8 May 94 09:22:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02032; Sun, 8 May 94 09:10:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02026; Sun, 8 May 94 09:10:13 -0700 Received: from strokr.shr.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/21Mar94) id AA09516; Sun, 8 May 94 09:09:00 -0700 Received: by strokr.shr.dec.com (5.65/MS-012594); id AA01632; Sun, 8 May 1994 12:08:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 12:08:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "dehahn@shr.dec.com" Subject: Pine 3.89 dumps core on Digital Alpha AXP OSF/1 V2.0 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: chris dehahn Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I know that the osf port is unsupported code, but here goes. I compiled the 3.89 release on OSF/1 V2.0 on a DEC3000/400, it compiled with no errors. When I invoke Pine, it starts the main menu, but when it gets to the bottom line, it crashes: Bug in Pine detected: "Out of free storage". Exiting Pine Abort process (core dumped) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Chris << Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Corporation Shrewsbury MA USA >> << ECAD Engineering dehahn@shr.dec.com (508) 841-3451 1991 Buell RS1200 >> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 8 12:05:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17441; Sun, 8 May 94 12:05:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12142; Sun, 8 May 94 11:56:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12136; Sun, 8 May 94 11:56:29 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14392; Sun, 8 May 94 11:56:09 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 11:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "dehahn@shr.dec.com" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, chris dehahn Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 dumps core on Digital Alpha AXP OSF/1 V2.0 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, This may be a bug having to do with a bogus header line in one of the messages in your INBOX. The specific situation I saw cause this was an address consisting of a single '\' character. This bug will be fixed in the next release of Pine and in the c-client found in the latest imap.tar.Z found on ftp.cac.washingotn.edu. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 8 May 1994, dehahn@shr.dec.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I know that the osf port is unsupported code, but here goes. > > I compiled the 3.89 release on OSF/1 V2.0 on a DEC3000/400, it compiled > with no errors. When I invoke Pine, it starts the main menu, but when it > gets to the bottom line, it crashes: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Out of free storage". > Exiting Pine > Abort process (core dumped) > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > << Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Corporation Shrewsbury MA USA >> > << ECAD Engineering dehahn@shr.dec.com (508) 841-3451 1991 Buell RS1200 >> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 09:50:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04205; Mon, 9 May 94 09:50:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01386; Mon, 9 May 94 09:27:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from atc.boeing.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01380; Mon, 9 May 94 09:27:17 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA21742; Mon, 9 May 94 09:29:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 09:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" Subject: What Are The ISO-8859-x Standards? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I wonder what they are ... probably can't display them with VT-100 telnet... -- Thanks, Jim Buck From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 09:51:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04258; Mon, 9 May 94 09:51:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23697; Mon, 9 May 94 09:33:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from logos.res.utc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23691; Mon, 9 May 94 09:33:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (pek@localhost) by logos.res.utc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA13361 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 9 May 1994 12:35:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:35:16 -0400 From: Paul Kirschner Message-Id: <199405091635.MAA13361@logos.res.utc.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine and /etc/aliases I'm running pine 3.89 on a Sun Sparc 2 with SunOS 4.1.2 (I did a "build sun"). My problem is with the "To:" field under compose message. I have a rather extensive /etc/aliases list with all the people here and their e-mail addresses. Whenever I send a message to user "abc" the To field is completed as "abc@logos.res.utc.com". This is MY node and NOT the remote node of the recipient from /etc/aliases. The aliases list is seemingly ignored. (I should mention that /etc/aliases is "-rw-r--r--" and am running the newest sendmail v8.) Is this correct operation or how can I fix it to use the aliases? Is there a tool to convert /etc/aliases to the address book format? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Kirschner #include pek@logos.res.utc.com United Technologies Research Center From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 09:56:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04350; Mon, 9 May 94 09:56:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01751; Mon, 9 May 94 09:41:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lykos.netpart.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01744; Mon, 9 May 94 09:40:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (phil@localhost) by lykos.netpart.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA03660 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 9 May 1994 09:34:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 09:34:34 -0700 From: Phil Trubey Message-Id: <199405091634.JAA03660@lykos.netpart.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Forwarding MIME E-mail It seems that Pine 3.89 does not forward MIME e-mail messages that have a body part with a content-transfer-encoding: of x-uuencode properly. When you try to forward such a message, that body part ends up with a content-transfer-encoding: of x-unknown. Is this a bug, or some subtlety of MIME that I am not aware of? Phil Trubey phil@netpart.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 10:55:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06968; Mon, 9 May 94 10:55:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03133; Mon, 9 May 94 10:35:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from FINANCE.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03127; Mon, 9 May 94 10:35:00 -0700 Received: by finance.wharton.upenn.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA27079; Mon, 9 May 1994 13:33:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Robinson Subject: Pine Doc's To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using Pine on our departmental workstations and am looking for a good document on Pine. I would like it to be less than 10 pages. If anyone has any written docs that I can use, either in whole or in part, PLEASE email me! By the way - I have looked around the net for some but have not found anything of much signifigance. Thanks in advance. Mike +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Mike Robinson (Wharton Finance) mrobinsn@wharton.upenn.edu If what I'm saying makes any sense then I'm obviously saying it wrong... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 11:56:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09249; Mon, 9 May 94 11:56:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27041; Mon, 9 May 94 11:42:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ananke.pt.hk-r.se by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27035; Mon, 9 May 94 11:42:30 -0700 Received: by ananke.pt.hk-r.se id AA06562 (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/IDA-1.4.2 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 9 May 94 20:37:19 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 20:31:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andy Eskilsson Subject: Pine and tconsole? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199405091635.MAA13361@logos.res.utc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running Pine on a SUN system running sun os 4.1.3, As the people who have tried the sun sparcstations, when in "textmode" screenupdates are extremly sloow. So some1 have done a small program called tconsole, wich allows you to change font, fontsize and so on in "textmode". It also allows you to change the character "resolution", from the normal 80x25(?) to 130x60 or something like that, but pine don't notice that. (but emacs does). Any hints? Anything I have missed, you have missed? Should I try to edit something like our termcap database? /andy *NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW* http://jupiter.pt.hk-r.se/student/pi92ae/pi92ae.html *NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW* -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Gates should limit his salary to the | PI92AE@pt.hk-r.se is: number of bytes addressable by the latest | Andy Eskilsson version of MS-DOS, and be taxed based on | Tranbaersv. 25:12 the number of bytes of RAM needed by the | s-372 38 Ronneby latest version of MS-Windows | SWEDEN -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hey, it's a UNIX system! I know this!" Lex, Jurassic park. Apples have been a problem ever since eden. Don't walk in front of me, I might be unable to follow you. Don't walk after me, I might be unable to lead you. Just walk by my side and be my friend. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 10 09:18:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05219; Tue, 10 May 94 09:18:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15930; Tue, 10 May 94 06:25:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [131.111.12.55] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15924; Tue, 10 May 94 04:34:25 -0700 Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <23087-8@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 10 May 1994 12:28:38 +0100 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <20152-0@black.csi.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 10 May 1994 12:27:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 12:27:56 BST From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Pine and tconsole? To: Andy Eskilsson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: bl10@imap.cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey - keep your sig down to a reasonable size (5/6 lines!) On Mon, 9 May 1994, Andy Eskilsson wrote: > > *NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW* > http://jupiter.pt.hk-r.se/student/pi92ae/pi92ae.html > *NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW* > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Gates should limit his salary to the | PI92AE@pt.hk-r.se is: > number of bytes addressable by the latest | Andy Eskilsson > version of MS-DOS, and be taxed based on | Tranbaersv. 25:12 > the number of bytes of RAM needed by the | s-372 38 Ronneby > latest version of MS-Windows | SWEDEN > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Hey, it's a UNIX system! I know this!" > Lex, Jurassic park. > > Apples have been a problem ever since eden. > > Don't walk in front of me, I might be unable to follow you. > Don't walk after me, I might be unable to lead you. > Just walk by my side and be my friend. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 10 12:25:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10831; Tue, 10 May 94 12:25:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25852; Tue, 10 May 94 12:08:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from logos.res.utc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25838; Tue, 10 May 94 12:08:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (pek@localhost) by logos.res.utc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA14091 for pine-info@cac.washington.EDU; Tue, 10 May 1994 15:10:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:10:02 -0400 From: Paul Kirschner Message-Id: <199405101910.PAA14091@logos.res.utc.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.EDU Subject: Re: pine and /etc/aliases Thanks for your response. To fill in some details: I have a line in /etc/aliases such as: abc: abc@utrc.a1.utc.com newaliases has been run. In .pinerc both user-domain and smtp-server are blank. In the compose window in the To: field I type "abc" and a tab. The field completes as abc@logos.res.utc.com. "logos" is the node where I am sending from. I would have hoped the field would complete from /etc/aliases as "abc@utrc.a1.utc.com" If I use Sun's mailtool "abc" is left alone and /etc/aliases directs the message correctly. With pine I need to type in the full address myself and I lose the alaises functionality! Any help would be appreciated. > > This is correct operation. The alias abc is on your node - > it's in your /etc/aliases. > When you send the message it will be *delivered* to the > recipients listed under abc from /etc/aliases. > Isn't that what happens ? If not - did you run "newaliases" > (or the same thing "sendmail -bi"). Is smtp-server: > blank in .pinerc ? - which is what you want. > -mike > > > > I'm running pine 3.89 on a Sun Sparc 2 with SunOS 4.1.2 (I did a "build > > sun"). My problem is with the "To:" field under compose message. I have > > a rather extensive /etc/aliases list with all the people here and their > > e-mail addresses. Whenever I send a message to user "abc" the To field is > > completed as "abc@logos.res.utc.com". This is MY node and NOT the remote > > node of the recipient from /etc/aliases. The aliases list is seemingly > > ignored. (I should mention that /etc/aliases is "-rw-r--r--" and am running > > the newest sendmail v8.) > > > > Is this correct operation or how can I fix it to use the > > aliases? Is there a tool to convert /etc/aliases to the address book > > format? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Kirschner #include pek@logos.res.utc.com United Technologies Research Center From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 10 14:12:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14113; Tue, 10 May 94 14:12:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05220; Tue, 10 May 94 13:58:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05214; Tue, 10 May 94 13:58:41 -0700 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R3.00/200.1.1.4) id AA10517; Tue, 10 May 1994 16:58:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 16:40:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Mail directory doesn't get created. To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Scenario: First time user. Never ran Pine before Executes command to send mail from command line: Example: "pine someusername" Problem: Mail directory is not created. Therefore, when user goes to send the message, it is rejected because Mail/sent-mail doesn't exist, and it can't create it because Mail/ doesn't exist. Can't postpone message either. It says... [Error opening folder "/user/home/path/Mail/postponed-mail"] (I compiled in the default mail dir as Mail/ and not mail/ ) Work-Around: Tell user to run pine with no args, at least the first time. To rescuse their mail, they need to turn on rich-headers and get rid of the Fcc: line Version: 3.87 on DG/UX 5.4R3.00 Other platforms: I was able to reproduce the postpone error message on a Sun 4.1.x system. But NOT able to reproduce the error by default on that machine. I *believe* it is because the admin on that machine must have not compiled in sent-mail support by default. If I manually create a .pinerc and specifically define sent-mail folder, I get the same error as noted above. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 10 23:16:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24356; Tue, 10 May 94 23:16:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15500; Tue, 10 May 94 23:06:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15494; Tue, 10 May 94 23:06:18 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q17Qt-0001hEC; Tue, 10 May 94 23:06 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA02843; Tue, 10 May 1994 22:50:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 22:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Mail directory doesn't get created. To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 May 1994, Ken Weaverling wrote: > Scenario: > > [Error opening folder "/user/home/path/Mail/postponed-mail"] > > Version: > > 3.87 on DG/UX 5.4R3.00 Don't count on 3.89 making the problems go away. We are on DG/UX 5.4.2 and pine 3.89. Same problems...not ALL the time :( So much for reproducible bug. Usually I just tell the user to run pine again and it creates the directory... > I was able to reproduce the postpone error message on a Sun 4.1.x > system. But NOT able to reproduce the error by default on that machine. > I *believe* it is because the admin on that machine must have not compiled > in sent-mail support by default. If I manually create a .pinerc and > specifically define sent-mail folder, I get the same error as noted above. I didn't investigate it further since it seemed that once the second run has been done, all is fine (strange) B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, brian@asl3.wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 00:03:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24898; Wed, 11 May 94 00:03:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16134; Tue, 10 May 94 23:51:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from NUKESTEP.MIT.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16128; Tue, 10 May 94 23:51:24 -0700 Received: by nukestep.mit.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA01348; Wed, 11 May 94 02:51:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 May 94 02:51:11 -0500 From: Gregory B Howland Message-Id: <9405110751.AA01348@nukestep.mit.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100.RR) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100.RR) To: pine-info@cac.washington.EDU Subject: faq - sending attachments Reply-To: nsp@world.std.com Is there an FAQ for this mailing list? I am trying to get info on how to change the Content-Type in the message that I am sending. I want to include two file attachments, one is a postscript file the other is an rtf file. How do change the Content-Type to application/postscript? And what is the correct Content-Type for rtf files? Thanks, Greg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 01:08:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25963; Wed, 11 May 94 01:08:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10534; Wed, 11 May 94 00:59:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nuscc.nus.sg by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10528; Wed, 11 May 94 00:59:38 -0700 Received: from (moe.ac.sg [166.121.1.2]) by nuscc.nus.sg (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA08436 for ; Wed, 11 May 1994 15:59:30 +0800 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00868; Wed, 11 May 1994 15:57:39 --800 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:57:38 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Francis Ho Subject: Inbox To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 329 I'm running solaris2.3 on a spar10. I'm using pine3.89. I'm trying to default users' incoming mails to their home directory ie /home/username instead of /var/mail/username Must I change something in pine or in my sendmail or my MAIL setting? Could some unix gurus out there please help?? Thanks!! francis@moe.ac.sg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 04:10:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29440; Wed, 11 May 94 04:10:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13092; Wed, 11 May 94 03:58:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from falcon.cs.ust.hk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13086; Wed, 11 May 94 03:58:49 -0700 Received: by falcon.cs.ust.hk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19934; Wed, 11 May 94 18:58:46 HKT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 18:58:45 +0800 (HKT) From: Yeung Chee Wai Subject: Dump question about pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Yeung Chee Wai Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, does pine have the equivalent of /usr/ucb/mail's "x" command which quits mail WITHOUT touching the inbox? How can I emulate such feature? Thanks Chee Wai ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4203 \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7005 v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@cs.ust.hk ^^^^^^^^ cheewai@HK.Super.NET This is Australia, Not HK :-) "How to draw a dotted-line?" "Ans: Pick up a pencil!" "COBOL is just a bug with syntax." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 07:52:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03735; Wed, 11 May 94 07:52:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17191; Wed, 11 May 94 07:33:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from toon.ctp.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17185; Wed, 11 May 94 07:33:54 -0700 Received: by ctp.com (4.1/3.1.090690-Cambridge Technology Partners) id AA11499; Wed, 11 May 94 10:28:12 EDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mahfood Subject: News suggestion To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, It would be great if, just like I can hit "g" to go to any mail folder, I could hit "G" to go to any newsgroup. That would make it much easier to traverse the "pine environment" as it were... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 08:56:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06374; Wed, 11 May 94 08:56:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24983; Wed, 11 May 94 08:41:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from crypt.u-strasbg.fr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24977; Wed, 11 May 94 08:41:46 -0700 Received: by crypt.u-strasbg.fr (911016.SGI/911001.SGI) for pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA26732; Wed, 11 May 94 17:48:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 17:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy BRAND - Universite Louis Pasteur - Strasbourg - FRANCE Subject: Mail header in Pine To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Will there be a way to modify/enter the fields of the mail header, such as 'Reference', 'Return-Receipt-To', etc in the next release of Pine ? Any news about the X version of Pine ? Thanks GB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Guy BRAND ULP Strasbourg (FRANCE) Departement de Chimie guybrand@chimie.u-strasbg.fr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 08:57:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06445; Wed, 11 May 94 08:57:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24822; Wed, 11 May 94 08:35:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24816; Wed, 11 May 94 08:35:53 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1GK7-0006AtC; Wed, 11 May 94 08:35 PDT Received: from asl5 by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA08971; Wed, 11 May 1994 08:17:25 -0700 Received: by asl5.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA18531; Wed, 11 May 1994 08:13:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 08:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Dump question about pine To: Yeung Chee Wai Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Yeung Chee Wai In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > Hi, > > does pine have the equivalent of /usr/ucb/mail's "x" command > which quits mail WITHOUT touching the inbox? How can I emulate such feature? > Don't specify a "read-messages" folder. Then when you "q" it will keep all mail in the inbox, as mail would. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 09:23:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08141; Wed, 11 May 94 09:23:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19380; Wed, 11 May 94 09:03:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19370; Wed, 11 May 94 09:03:17 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07461; Wed, 11 May 94 09:02:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 09:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: News suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bruce, You can go to any folder in any collection with "g". Use the ^N/^P keys to scroll to your News collection before entering the name... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > Hi, > > It would be great if, just like I can hit "g" to go to any mail folder, I > could hit "G" to go to any newsgroup. That would make it much easier to > traverse the "pine environment" as it were... > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 09:23:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08198; Wed, 11 May 94 09:23:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25681; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25675; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:38 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1Gmv-00054WC; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA10343; Wed, 11 May 1994 08:46:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 08:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine is NOT happy with our Wyse Terminals. It won't use the cursor keys. Is it the terminfo is wrong or the proogram? OS (DG/UX 5.4.2) Help...those less technically inclined aren't overjoyed at using ^N etc to move around :( suggestions?? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 09:30:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08463; Wed, 11 May 94 09:30:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19628; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19622; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:12 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07648; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 09:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Guy BRAND - Universite Louis Pasteur - Strasbourg - FRANCE Cc: Pine Info List Subject: Re: Mail header in Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, Pine 3.90 will support configurable headers. I haven't heard anything about Spruce (Pine for X) lately... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Guy BRAND - Universite Louis Pasteur - Strasbourg - FRANCE wrote: > > Hi, > > Will there be a way to modify/enter the fields of the mail header, such > as 'Reference', 'Return-Receipt-To', etc in the next release of Pine ? > > Any news about the X version of Pine ? > > Thanks > GB > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Guy BRAND ULP Strasbourg (FRANCE) > Departement de Chimie guybrand@chimie.u-strasbg.fr > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:05:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09833; Wed, 11 May 94 10:05:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20590; Wed, 11 May 94 09:43:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from toon.ctp.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20584; Wed, 11 May 94 09:43:53 -0700 Received: by ctp.com (4.1/3.1.090690-Cambridge Technology Partners) id AA20122; Wed, 11 May 94 12:36:31 EDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 12:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mahfood Subject: Another interesting tidbit To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine's newsreader doesn't seem to understand cross-postings. If I post to "xxx,yyy,zzz", three newsgroups comma-seperated, then I should only need to read one of those newsgroups, and the other related newsgroups should be updated as a matter of course. Pine, not seeing this, causes me to have to see the same article in each of the different newsgroups. Is this something that will be in 3.90? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:17:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10319; Wed, 11 May 94 10:17:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21031; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21025; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:33 -0700 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA05679; Wed, 11 May 94 10:00:51 PDT Received: from hal.Law.USC.EDU by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13679; Wed, 11 May 94 10:00:46 PDT Received: by hal.Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20712; Wed, 11 May 94 10:00:44 PDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmar Kurgpold Reply-To: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Dump question about pine To: Yeung Chee Wai Cc: "Brian P. Hampson" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Actually, the "x" command in ucb mail exits the program without changing the status of any messages (new messages are still new, deletions are not recorded...). As far as I know, the closest you can get to that in Pine is to press Q and then answer N to the question of "Expunge the NNN deleted messages from INBOX?" This still will leave you with a modified mailbox, but only the Status line will be changed. Elmar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Elmar Kurgpold, Network Administrator | EMAIL: ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | | University of Southern California | VOICE: (213) 740-2571 | | The Law Center | FAX: (213) 740-5502 | | University Park | "I got the boogie, boogie, | | Los Angeles, CA 90089-0071 | in my socks!" (Where else?) | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Wed, 11 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > does pine have the equivalent of /usr/ucb/mail's "x" command > > which quits mail WITHOUT touching the inbox? How can I emulate such feature? > > > Don't specify a "read-messages" folder. Then when you "q" it will keep > all mail in the inbox, as mail would. > > B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | > |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | > |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | > |Vancouver, BC | > | | > | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | > | | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:18:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10371; Wed, 11 May 94 10:18:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26948; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26941; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:19 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09437; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brian, Pine does not use terminfo to read the keyboard. The problem is that Pine already uses the control characters sent by Wyse 50 terminals for other commands. To read the Wyse 50 cursor keys we would have to disable other functions, which we are not willing to do. Sorry. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > > Pine is NOT happy with our Wyse Terminals. It won't use the cursor > keys. Is it the terminfo is wrong or the proogram? > > OS (DG/UX 5.4.2) > > Help...those less technically inclined aren't overjoyed at using ^N etc > to move around :( > > suggestions?? > > B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | > |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | > |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | > |Vancouver, BC | > | | > | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | > | | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:19:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10411; Wed, 11 May 94 10:19:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21174; Wed, 11 May 94 10:06:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21168; Wed, 11 May 94 10:06:44 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09601; Wed, 11 May 94 10:06:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Another interesting tidbit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry, not yet... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > Pine's newsreader doesn't seem to understand cross-postings. If I post > to "xxx,yyy,zzz", three newsgroups comma-seperated, then I should only > need to read one of those newsgroups, and the other related newsgroups > should be updated as a matter of course. Pine, not seeing this, causes > me to have to see the same article in each of the different newsgroups. > Is this something that will be in 3.90? > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:46:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11425; Wed, 11 May 94 10:46:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21915; Wed, 11 May 94 10:33:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from toon.ctp.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21909; Wed, 11 May 94 10:33:43 -0700 Received: by ctp.com (4.1/3.1.090690-Cambridge Technology Partners) id AA21618; Wed, 11 May 94 13:22:53 EDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mahfood Subject: Manual Check for mail To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Presently, when mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it, and I can't force it to, until it does its periodic check for mail. Is it possible to have a command which allows the user to do a manual check in such cases? It really does drive me a little batty, knowing that I have mail, but can't read it because I have to wait for the scheduled mail checker to inform my process that it is there. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:37:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15810; Wed, 11 May 94 12:37:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00602; Wed, 11 May 94 12:27:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00596; Wed, 11 May 94 12:27:53 -0700 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA23578; Wed, 11 May 94 14:24:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:24:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "g.h.chinoy" Subject: Re: Manual Check for mail To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Typing ctrl-l not only clears the screen it checks the mail spool, updating pine. I believe that's a 3.89 thing, since when we had 3.87, the way to force a manual update of mail was going past the last piece of mail in the mail Index so that Pine beeped at you twice. ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NeXTstep, Washington University in St. Louis baby hussain@artsci.wustl.edu On Wed, 11 May 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > Presently, when mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine > doesn't know about it, and I can't force it to, until it does its > periodic check for mail. Is it possible to have a command which allows > the user to do a manual check in such cases? It really does drive me a > little batty, knowing that I have mail, but can't read it because I have > to wait for the scheduled mail checker to inform my process that it is there. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:39:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15908; Wed, 11 May 94 12:39:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25109; Wed, 11 May 94 12:29:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comp.uark.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25103; Wed, 11 May 94 12:29:10 -0700 Received: (from rlee@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA24105; Wed, 11 May 1994 14:29:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:29:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Pine does not use terminfo to read the keyboard. The problem is that Pine > already uses the control characters sent by Wyse 50 terminals for other > commands. To read the Wyse 50 cursor keys we would have to disable other > functions, which we are not willing to do. Sorry. Does pine use terminfo to write to the screen? I can't get pine to run with my terminal (although pico runs) and I was thinking of beefing up the terminal information in the hopes of running it. Is that a dead end? -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy / Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas voice: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 fax: 501-575-2642 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:41:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15973; Wed, 11 May 94 12:41:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00712; Wed, 11 May 94 12:32:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00706; Wed, 11 May 94 12:32:01 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1K0b-0008xUC; Wed, 11 May 94 12:31 PDT Received: from asl4 by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA22034; Wed, 11 May 1994 12:17:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Brian, > > Pine does not use terminfo to read the keyboard. The problem is that Pine > already uses the control characters sent by Wyse 50 terminals for other > commands. To read the Wyse 50 cursor keys we would have to disable other > functions, which we are not willing to do. Sorry. > This is unfortunate, does anyone know of an emulation mode that the WYSE will do (these are actually WYSE 160's) that will get along with pine better, or are there any plans afoot to make key/command a definable choice at compile time? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:53:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16194; Wed, 11 May 94 12:53:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00963; Wed, 11 May 94 12:43:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ucdavis.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00955; Wed, 11 May 94 12:42:59 -0700 Received: by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (8.6.8/UCD2.50) id MAA08480; Wed, 11 May 1994 12:27:35 -0700 From: dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu (Dave Zavatson) Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 12:27:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199405111927.MAA08480@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> To: bmahf@ctp.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Manual Check for mail +---------------+ | |Presently, when mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine |doesn't know about it, and I can't force it to, until it does its |periodic check for mail. Is it possible to have a command which allows |the user to do a manual check in such cases? It really does drive me a |little batty, knowing that I have mail, but can't read it because I have |to wait for the scheduled mail checker to inform my process that it is there. | |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! |! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! |! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! |! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | | +---------------+ If you go to the last message and press n a couple of times, it will rescan the inbox immediately. --Dave ''' (o o) /----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\ | David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.| |dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu |Ich kann nicht von Dir gehen. Zwei Gefuehle bleiben | | UCD IT Systems Group | stehen: Liebe und Hass, sind sich doch so nah. -ECO| \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:55:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16243; Wed, 11 May 94 12:55:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00983; Wed, 11 May 94 12:43:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from INDIV-GW.CENT.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00977; Wed, 11 May 94 12:43:35 -0700 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA15975; Wed, 11 May 1994 15:43:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:35:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Reverse? To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My site has been using 3.07 for a while, and when 3.90 comes out I'm considering upgrading us to it. But I logged into another one of my accounts recently, where they installed 3.85, and something is troubling me. Imagine my surprise when my messages were in my box in the opposite order in which I am used to them. I thought, well, no problem, this must be a settable attribute, right? But there didn't seem to be any way of editing my .pinerc to automatically put the messages in what I consider to be their normal order. Sure, I can resort it every time, but that seems silly. It seems perverse to me that anyone would want their messages in this order. If you're trying to follow a discussion, you get all the aftermath before you ever figure out what's going on in the first place. (This is the same problem I have with the "old-style-reply" being what I consider to be normal, where you have the quoted text first and the response afterwards. It's difficult to read the messages from the Pine team on this list because they all start with your answer to the question, and then I have to page down to figure out what the question was, then go back up to understand the answer in context. But at least I can set this attribute on my own mail. Who decided this was desirable, and why, just as a history question?) It seems obscene that I would be forced to read my messages this way without it being a settable parameter. Am I missing something obvious? I'd hate to be stuck on 3.07 just because of this one tiny missing requirement. - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 13:13:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17376; Wed, 11 May 94 13:13:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01316; Wed, 11 May 94 13:01:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01310; Wed, 11 May 94 13:01:22 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13543; Wed, 11 May 94 13:01:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Richard Lee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, pine does use terminfo for output, but only a fairly limited set of attributes. Unfortunately pine and pico do not share the same screen drivers, so differences do exist in some ports.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Richard Lee wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > Pine does not use terminfo to read the keyboard. The problem is that Pine > > already uses the control characters sent by Wyse 50 terminals for other > > commands. To read the Wyse 50 cursor keys we would have to disable other > > functions, which we are not willing to do. Sorry. > > Does pine use terminfo to write to the screen? I can't get pine > to run with my terminal (although pico runs) and I was thinking of > beefing up the terminal information in the hopes of running it. Is that > a dead end? > > -- > > Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu > Department of Philosophy / Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET > University of Arkansas voice: 501-575-5826 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 fax: 501-575-2642 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 13:48:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18328; Wed, 11 May 94 13:48:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02304; Wed, 11 May 94 13:35:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02298; Wed, 11 May 94 13:35:55 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14372; Wed, 11 May 94 13:35:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 13:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: Yeung Chee Wai , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Dump question about pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > > Hi, > > does pine have the equivalent of /usr/ucb/mail's "x" command > which quits mail WITHOUT touching the inbox? How can I emulate such feature? No, there is no such feature. In fact, pine periodically checkpoints the file as it goes so that you won't lose any changes. There is no way to go back to the way it was when you started. If you know you want to do this ahead of time, you can open the folder read-only by specifying the -o command line flag. In that case, no changes will be made to the folder. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 14:10:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19220; Wed, 11 May 94 14:10:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02726; Wed, 11 May 94 13:58:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lightnin.brevard.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02718; Wed, 11 May 94 13:58:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (willy@localhost) by lightnin.brevard.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA01051 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 11 May 1994 16:49:54 -0400 From: Willy Evans Message-Id: <199405112049.QAA01051@lightnin.brevard.edu> Subject: BSD/386 and pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:49:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 175 has anyone had any success getting pine to run on BSD/386 v1.1? i would appreciate hearing about it. willy evans brevard college brevard nc willy@lightnin.brevard.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 14:21:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19546; Wed, 11 May 94 14:21:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27789; Wed, 11 May 94 14:06:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27782; Wed, 11 May 94 14:06:07 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15325; Wed, 11 May 94 14:05:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Adam J Weitzman Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Reverse? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > My site has been using 3.07 for a while, and when 3.90 comes out I'm > considering upgrading us to it. But I logged into another one of my > accounts recently, where they installed 3.85, and something is troubling me. Adam, Take a deep breath... it'll be OK :) > Imagine my surprise when my messages were in my box in the opposite order > in which I am used to them. I thought, well, no problem, this must be a > settable attribute, right? But there didn't seem to be any way of editing > my .pinerc to automatically put the messages in what I consider to be > their normal order. Sure, I can resort it every time, but that seems > silly. The default sort order for the Index has not changed; it continues to be Arrival order, i.e. the order that messages were appened to the folder. In recent versions you can select a default sort order for the Index view of the folder: # sort-key= order in which messages will be presented... sort-key= There are several choices, including "reverse" which I'd guess is the one you encountered and didn't like. As to there being only one obvious/true/correct way of sorting the Index, Trust us, there are plenty of folks who would be very disappointed if this option went away. > It seems perverse to me that anyone would want their messages in this > order. If you're trying to follow a discussion, you get all the aftermath > before you ever figure out what's going on in the first place. (This is > the same problem I have with the "old-style-reply" being what I consider > to be normal, where you have the quoted text first and the response > afterwards. It's difficult to read the messages from the Pine team on this > list because they all start with your answer to the question, and then I > have to page down to figure out what the question was, then go back up to > understand the answer in context. But at least I can set this attribute on > my own mail. Who decided this was desirable, and why, just as a history > question?) It seems obscene that I would be forced to read my messages > this way without it being a settable parameter. Well, we're all glad that it's a settable parameter, then, right? As with Index sorting, the question of what style of Reply is "correct" is *highly* subjective, with proponents for more variations than you can imagine. My own view is that whether the response should be above or below the original text depends on two things: the length of the original text, and the expected time interval between sending and receiving. If the original text is short, I prefer the response below; otherwise above --especially if the time constant is short. I surely do *not* want to scroll through a long history of a dialogue to get to the bottom line answer... that would annoy me at least as much as the opposite case annoys you! Anyway, different strokes for different folks... > Am I missing something obvious? I'd hate to be stuck on 3.07 just because > of this one tiny missing requirement. Breathe easy... -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 14:55:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20499; Wed, 11 May 94 14:55:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03829; Wed, 11 May 94 14:46:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from INDIV-GW.CENT.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03813; Wed, 11 May 94 14:45:17 -0700 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA10022; Wed, 11 May 1994 17:45:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 17:36:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam J Weitzman Reply-To: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: Reverse? To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > Imagine my surprise when my messages were in my box in the opposite order > > in which I am used to them. > > The default sort order for the Index has not changed; it continues to be > Arrival order, i.e. the order that messages were appened to the folder. OK. Let me explain my confusion then, as I think I may have asked the wrong question. I sent three messages to myself at this other site. I looked in the mail spool where my incoming messages are, and there they are in the order I sent them in, 1, 2, and 3. When I call Pine to open up my inbox, It displays them 3, 2, and 1. > In recent versions you can select a default sort order for the Index view > of the folder: Right now, the "sort-key" entry in my .pinerc is blank, which means it defaults to "arrival" as you said, although it doesn't appear to be that way in practice. (I tried putting "reverse" in there, even though it's not listed as one of the options, and got the same behavior.) > As to there being only one obvious/true/correct way of sorting the Index, I never suggested this. I only said that, to me, it was weird, and to not be able to set it was extremely frustrating. > Well, we're all glad that it's a settable parameter, then, right? Well, I am, if you can tell me how to set it. What am I doing wrong? > As with Index sorting, the question of what style of Reply is "correct" is > *highly* subjective, Of course. But I would like a history lesson anyways, as up until I was introduced to the Pine world, all of my communications (both from me and to me) read the "old-style" way. The name implies that *it* was the default once, and since then it has been changed to what it is now. I'm just curious. - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 15:23:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21418; Wed, 11 May 94 15:23:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29742; Wed, 11 May 94 15:13:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29728; Wed, 11 May 94 15:13:27 -0700 Received: by nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (4.1/1.34) id AA25373; Wed, 11 May 94 15:16:30 PDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Williams Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We use Wyse 150's set with vt100 emulation quite a bit here, in addition to pc's. As far as I know there have been no problems with that emulation and pine. Brian Williams Automation Manager Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 15:44:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22090; Wed, 11 May 94 15:44:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00408; Wed, 11 May 94 15:36:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00402; Wed, 11 May 94 15:36:01 -0700 Received: from modem58.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.8/UCD2.50) id PAA29690; Wed, 11 May 1994 15:28:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199405112228.PAA29690@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez006683@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:28:08 -0700 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ddtodd@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Daniel D. Todd) Subject: Re: Reverse? X-Mailer: At 05:36 PM 5/11/94, Adam J Weitzman wrote: >On Wed, 11 May 1994, Terry Gray wrote: >> As with Index sorting, the question of what style of Reply is "correct" is >> *highly* subjective, > >Of course. But I would like a history lesson anyways, as up until I was >introduced to the Pine world, all of my communications (both from me and >to me) read the "old-style" way. The name implies that *it* was the >default once, and since then it has been changed to what it is now. I'm >just curious. I prefer the "old style" too. I think the advent of the "new style" can be attributed to two things. 1) some people tend to over quote. 2) some people tend to quote out of context. With 'new style" reply you can leave the whole message in your reply without having to worry about pageing through 4 pages to get to the answer. This allows people to get to the meat of a message that is over quoted. It also prevents out of context quoting. however it is quite annoying that many people don't bother to even delete the sig from quoted material. It can also be very difficult to follow point by point arguments in "new style" replys. cheers, Dan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 15:55:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22408; Wed, 11 May 94 15:55:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05219; Wed, 11 May 94 15:46:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05211; Wed, 11 May 94 15:46:49 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14280; Wed, 11 May 94 15:46:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Adam J Weitzman Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Reverse? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > I sent three messages to myself at this other site. I looked in the mail > spool where my incoming messages are, and there they are in the order I > sent them in, 1, 2, and 3. When I call Pine to open up my inbox, It > displays them 3, 2, and 1. Adam, One possible explanation is that the system manager for that site may have made sort-key=reverse the default for the site (by putting it in the global pine.conf file.) I'm not entirely sure how to over-ride this particular variable in your personal .pinerc... You might try: sort-key="" or maybe sort-key=arrival > Of course. But I would like a history lesson anyways, as up until I was > introduced to the Pine world, all of my communications (both from me and > to me) read the "old-style" way. The name implies that *it* was the > default once, and since then it has been changed to what it is now. I'm > just curious. I don't think Pine invented the "above" style, but it is certainly the less common default. The Pine-specific history is not mysterious: the original group involved in defining requirements for Pine (including some users) felt that the "above" style was preferable. As I indicated before, when you are part of a back-and-forth dialogue from the beginning, the last thing in the world you want to do is scroll thru all of the history of the conversation to find the latest addition at the bottom... but if you are CC'd at the end of the discussion, I agree that chrono order is more convenient --until the next reply forces you to scroll thru the stuff you've already seen to get to the newest addition. But again, "standards vary"... which is why it's been an option since the earliest versions. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 16:11:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23024; Wed, 11 May 94 16:11:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05638; Wed, 11 May 94 16:04:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from INDIV-GW.CENT.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05632; Wed, 11 May 94 16:04:16 -0700 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA21592; Wed, 11 May 1994 19:04:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 18:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: Reverse? To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > One possible explanation is that the system manager for that site may have > made sort-key=reverse the default for the site (by putting it in the > global pine.conf file.) > > I'm not entirely sure how to over-ride this particular variable in your > personal .pinerc... You might try: sort-key="" or maybe sort-key=arrival sort-key=arrival did the trick! Thanks! Your help is very much appreciated. > [history lesson deleted] Thanks for this. The overall point of this, I think, is that most people can't be bothered to edit the quoted text to leave just enough for context, and then reply. As someone to whom this is second nature, I think having entire conversations included in an email is undesirable no matter what direction it's going in. *shrug* - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 16:23:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23328; Wed, 11 May 94 16:23:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05923; Wed, 11 May 94 16:15:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05917; Wed, 11 May 94 16:15:32 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15969; Wed, 11 May 94 16:15:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Daniel D. Todd" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reverse? In-Reply-To: <199405112228.PAA29690@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Daniel D. Todd wrote: > I prefer the "old style" too. I think the advent of the "new style" can > be attributed to two things. > 1) some people tend to over quote. > 2) some people tend to quote out of context. > > With 'new style" reply you can leave the whole message in your reply > without having to worry about pageing through 4 pages to get to the > answer. This allows people to get to the meat of a message that is over > quoted. It also prevents out of context quoting. Over-quoting is also subjective, and depends upon the business environment you operate in... sometimes a full transcript is desirable, sometimes minimalist quoting is desirable. > however it is quite annoying that many people don't bother to even delete > the sig from quoted material. There is also a third bullet for your list: 3) some people tend to have overly long signatures... > It can also be very difficult to follow point by point arguments in "new > style" replys. This is true with either policy. I've always assumed that point-by-point responses should be interspersed with the original text --so it doesn't matter what the default cursor and sig location is in those cases. (Assuming that the user has figured out how to use Pico...) OK, everybody go back to work now :) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 16:45:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23894; Wed, 11 May 94 16:45:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06378; Wed, 11 May 94 16:36:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06372; Wed, 11 May 94 16:36:42 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1NpP-000678C; Wed, 11 May 94 16:36 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA06922; Wed, 11 May 1994 16:20:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Reverse? To: Adam J Weitzman Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > > > Imagine my surprise when my messages were in my box in the opposite order > > > in which I am used to them. > > > OK. Let me explain my confusion then, as I think I may have asked the > wrong question. > > I sent three messages to myself at this other site. I looked in the mail > spool where my incoming messages are, and there they are in the order I > sent them in, 1, 2, and 3. When I call Pine to open up my inbox, It For some stupid reason, mail sends the LAST message first...I've encountered it before. > Right now, the "sort-key" entry in my .pinerc is blank, which means it > defaults to "arrival" as you said, although it doesn't appear to be that > way in practice. (I tried putting "reverse" in there, even though it's not > listed as one of the options, and got the same behavior.) By the sounds of it you GOT arrival > > Well, we're all glad that it's a settable parameter, then, right? > > Well, I am, if you can tell me how to set it. What am I doing wrong? sort=date B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 17:00:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24282; Wed, 11 May 94 17:00:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06633; Wed, 11 May 94 16:49:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06627; Wed, 11 May 94 16:49:51 -0700 Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA11524; Wed, 11 May 1994 16:49:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dick Moores Subject: Configuring pine To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope you will permit a couple of questions from a novice. I'm using v3.89. 1) Today I've seen a couple of things here about customizing pine. One made reference to "old-style-reply". I took a look at my .pinerc and searched on this but couldn't find it. I added it anyway to my "feature-list=", but it has no effect. So how can I set pine so that my reply to a message will start at the end of the quote of the message I am replying to? 2) I've just learned some vi, and had been wishing I could use it as pine's editor instead of pico. And in looking over the "old-growth" features list I found "enable-alternate-editor-cmd". I added this to my features list, and changed "editor=" to "editor=vi". Now I have vi for editing when I want it! I just hit ^_ when in the body of the msg I am editing. My question is, is there a way to use vi to read a message? Or some pager like less or pg? Too often I find myself needing to export a long msg to my home directory so I can read it with less or vi's view option. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 17:09:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25297; Wed, 11 May 94 17:09:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06818; Wed, 11 May 94 16:58:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06812; Wed, 11 May 94 16:58:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id TAA11790; Wed, 11 May 1994 19:04:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 19:04:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: inbox collections To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Like folders, is there a way to organize inboxes into groups? ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 17:15:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25490; Wed, 11 May 94 17:15:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07143; Wed, 11 May 94 17:06:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07137; Wed, 11 May 94 17:06:01 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1OHo-0005KpC; Wed, 11 May 94 17:06 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA08437; Wed, 11 May 1994 16:40:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:40:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: Brian Williams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Brian Williams wrote: > We use Wyse 150's set with vt100 emulation quite a bit here, in addition > to pc's. As far as I know there have been no problems with that emulation > and pine. What do you do for function keys, since VT100 doesn't officially support function keys? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 20:10:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28136; Wed, 11 May 94 20:10:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05519; Wed, 11 May 94 19:52:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nuscc.nus.sg by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05511; Wed, 11 May 94 19:52:31 -0700 Received: from (moe.ac.sg [166.121.1.2]) by nuscc.nus.sg (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA19045 for ; Thu, 12 May 1994 09:44:08 +0800 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02342; Thu, 12 May 1994 09:42:16 --800 Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:42:16 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Francis Ho Reply-To: Francis Ho Subject: Wrong date and From To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 299 When I sent to a place where there is error, eg unknown user or unknown host, the "Date" and "From" are incorrect ie Date: francis <----- Wrong From: 1.0@moe.ac.sg <----- Wrong To: francis@moe.ac.sg Subject: Could anyone please help? francis@moe.ac.sg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 21:22:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29040; Wed, 11 May 94 21:22:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06792; Wed, 11 May 94 21:14:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06786; Wed, 11 May 94 21:14:47 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02333; Wed, 11 May 94 21:14:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 21:14:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Dick Moores Cc: pine-info Subject: Re: Configuring pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Dick Moores wrote: > I hope you will permit a couple of questions from a novice. I'm using v3.89. > > 1) Today I've seen a couple of things here about customizing pine. One > made reference to "old-style-reply". I took a look at my .pinerc and > searched on this but couldn't find it. I added it anyway to my > "feature-list=", but it has no effect. So how can I set pine so that my > reply to a message will start at the end of the quote of the message I am > replying to? > old-style-reply has been deprecated in favor of the signature-at-bottom feature-list option. > 2) I've just learned some vi, and had been wishing I could use it as > pine's editor instead of pico. And in looking over the "old-growth" > features list I found "enable-alternate-editor-cmd". I added this to my > features list, and changed "editor=" to "editor=vi". Now I have vi for > editing when I want it! I just hit ^_ when in the body of the msg I am > editing. My question is, is there a way to use vi to read a message? Or > some pager like less or pg? Too often I find myself needing to export a > long msg to my home directory so I can read it with less or vi's view > option. > Not at this time. > Thanks for the requests! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 21:24:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29075; Wed, 11 May 94 21:24:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10996; Wed, 11 May 94 21:17:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10990; Wed, 11 May 94 21:17:01 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02347; Wed, 11 May 94 21:16:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 21:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info Subject: Re: inbox collections In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At this time there is only one incoming-folders collection. Expanding that has been suggested, but not yet implemented. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > Like folders, is there a way to organize inboxes into groups? > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 12 06:39:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05965; Thu, 12 May 94 06:39:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15262; Thu, 12 May 94 06:30:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pilot.njin.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15256; Thu, 12 May 94 06:30:28 -0700 Received: by pilot.njin.net (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA24217; Thu, 12 May 94 09:30:24 EDT Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:30:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard C. Gaine" Subject: the index in pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few complaints from some of my users that I need help with. 1. At times the index does not display any information about the message. It'll say something like, "No message text available." Can someone help me with this? 2. When messages are sent from pine the date is wrong. It is something like back in 1970. What would cause this? How can I correct the problem? The date is properly set on the machine and standard mail and elm seem to work fine. 3. Esix is not running sendmail, so I am using a NetBSD 0.9 system as a mail server. At times when users send mail it says, "Mail not sent. SMTP connection went away." This doesn't happin a lot, and out LAN is fine. What could be the problem with this? Well, the only way to end this message is HELP!! Thanks for any help. Rick Gaine From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 13 00:38:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00873; Fri, 13 May 94 00:38:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07821; Fri, 13 May 94 00:22:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07815; Fri, 13 May 94 00:22:21 -0700 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by dummy1.dur.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <01987-0@dummy1.dur.ac.uk>; Fri, 13 May 1994 08:22:15 +0100 Received: from vega.dur.ac.uk by venus.dur.ac.uk; Fri, 13 May 94 08:22:14 BST Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 08:22:08 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Cornelius Subject: Reminder: last "day" for voting on whether to form comp.mail.pine To: Pine Info Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2215 I believe that this is the last "day" in the first call for votes on whether to form the Usenet News newsgroup comp.mail.pine (to run in addition to the existing pine-info mailing list). Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 May 1994. Full details have already been sent to this list. They are repeated below. -- LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.mail.pine Newsgroups line: comp.mail.pine The PINE mail user agent. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC May 13 1994 This CFV will be sent to the pine-info and pine-announce mailing lists. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact peterb@lm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Arnt Gulbrandsen . CHARTER This group is for discussion about use and development of the Pine mail/news user agent developed by the University of Washington. Any Pine-related and Pine-specific discussion is acceptable, but general discussion regarding e.g. MIME or incoming-mail filters is referred to other, more appropriate newsgroups. The group is not moderated. To be made moderated, the same procedure should be followed as for the creation of a new group at that time. The group is bidirectionally gatewayed to the mailing list pine-info@cac.washington.edu. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: vote@lm.com Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.mail.pine I vote NO on comp.mail.pine You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 13 08:53:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09551; Fri, 13 May 94 08:53:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16173; Fri, 13 May 94 08:33:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16159; Fri, 13 May 94 08:33:09 -0700 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q1zEQ-000BzVC; Fri, 13 May 94 16:32 BST Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 16:32:57 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: the index in pine To: "Richard C. Gaine" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 May 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > Hello, > I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few > complaints from some of my users that I need help with. > > 1. At times the index does not display any information about the > message. It'll say something like, "No message text available." Can > someone help me with this? > This has occasionally happened to me. When I have looked in the mail folder directly PINE is telling the truth - there is nothing there! All there is is a Berkeley style header saying that there is a message and where it came from, but everything else has vanished. This effect only occurred after Saving a message; the copy in the destination folder being in this bad state. After some correspondence, pine-bugs and I thought it might correlate with the fact that the system I use NFS mounts the volumes containing my folders. A little while back they supplied me with a new version of IMAP as an experiment, and the effect has not occurred since. Does the background match yours? ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 13 13:01:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17287; Fri, 13 May 94 13:01:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21687; Fri, 13 May 94 12:47:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from yacht.ee.fit.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21681; Fri, 13 May 94 12:47:00 -0700 Received: by ee.fit.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0/900117wah) id AA12435; Fri, 13 May 94 15:42:57 EDT Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 15:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Subject: /usr/local/lib/pine.info To: Pine List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What is /usr/local/lib/pine.info? The man page descibles it as "A pointer to the local system administrator" (or something to that effect) so I stuck my E-Mail address in there. How and when is this file used? Is this what it is supposed to contain, or is it a biography file? I have been unable to find any other sort of documention on it. +============================================================================+ | Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator | | Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida | | | | E-Mail/MIME/finger: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu | +============================================================================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 13 14:55:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21396; Fri, 13 May 94 14:55:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24200; Fri, 13 May 94 14:44:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24194; Fri, 13 May 94 14:44:47 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10614; Fri, 13 May 94 14:44:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 14:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Cc: Pine List Subject: Re: /usr/local/lib/pine.info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Christopher, The contents of the pine.info file is inserted into the help text for the main menu under the heading "Local Contacts". Insert whatever local help information you want in there. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 13 May 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > What is /usr/local/lib/pine.info? The man page descibles it as "A > pointer to the local system administrator" (or something to that effect) > so I stuck my E-Mail address in there. How and when is this file used? > Is this what it is supposed to contain, or is it a biography file? I > have been unable to find any other sort of documention on it. > > +============================================================================+ > | Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator | > | Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida | > | | > | E-Mail/MIME/finger: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu | > +============================================================================+ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 09:57:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09336; Sat, 14 May 94 09:57:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14137; Sat, 14 May 94 09:41:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@relay.southampton.ac.uk,@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk:T.J.Chown@ecs.southampton.ac.uk> Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14131; Sat, 14 May 94 09:41:11 -0700 Via: uk.ac.southampton.relay; Sat, 14 May 1994 17:40:34 +0100 Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (root@localhost) by mail.soton.ac.uk (8.6.4/2.12) with NIFTP id RAA02301 for pine-info%cac.washington.edu@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay; Sat, 14 May 1994 17:36:21 +0100 Via: marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 14 May 94 17:38:57 BST Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 17:52:02 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Chown Subject: Want no domain for local users To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I just fetched and installed Pine 3.89 on a Sun IPC. I'm very impressed :) But there's one little thing bugging me. I'd like to have mail to local users appear on the To/Cc/whatever lines with their full names listed. The default configuration tacks the local hostname onto the target username, which I don't really want, as we hide all hostnames under one domain here. I can do this by setting the user-domain line in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to be the local domain name. I'd prefer for this to be added "silently" and for pine users here just to see the target id as typed, preferably with a full username added in ()'s after they hit RETURN. Is this possible? Cheers, Tim Chown (postie at Soton Univ. Elec & CS Dept, UK) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 13:13:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13013; Sat, 14 May 94 13:13:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17279; Sat, 14 May 94 13:00:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17273; Sat, 14 May 94 13:00:13 -0700 Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (che@father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA16788 for ; Sat, 14 May 1994 22:00:07 +0200 Received: (che@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA06529; Sat, 14 May 1994 21:59:23 +0200 Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 21:59:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christer Ekholm Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe pine-info che@ludd.luth.se From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 13:50:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13534; Sat, 14 May 94 13:50:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15674; Sat, 14 May 94 13:39:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15668; Sat, 14 May 94 13:39:41 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22755; Sat, 14 May 94 13:39:40 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 14 May 94 22:25:09+0200 Date: 14 May 94 22:25:09+0200 From: Christer Ekholm Message-Id: <688559*che@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 14:12:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13841; Sat, 14 May 94 14:12:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18232; Sat, 14 May 94 14:04:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18224; Sat, 14 May 94 14:04:43 -0700 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.0 VAX) id 8; Sat, 14 May 1994 17:05:29 EST Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 17:05:28 EST From: "Frank M. Bright" To: PINE-INFO@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Cc: bright@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <0097E6D3.E82780E0.8@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Pine on an IBM RS6000 I am trying to stall Pine on an IBM RS6000 using AIX. I copied the AIX version of Pine and I couldn't get it to work. Can someone give me a helping hand??? Frank Bright Programmer/Techinical Specialist Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science Philadelphia, PA Internet: bright@shrsys.hslc.org Phone: 215.596.8532 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 19:28:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18149; Sat, 14 May 94 19:28:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22708; Sat, 14 May 94 19:20:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from recycle.snre.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22702; Sat, 14 May 94 19:20:23 -0700 Received: by snre.umich.edu (8.6.8.1/2.2) id WAA13463; Sat, 14 May 1994 22:20:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 22:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Tang Subject: "Internet" Pine Introduction document via electronic media To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks. A little while back I wrote some documentation for Pine. I said that I'd get an HTML version and a straight text version up soon... well. I've finished (finally). There are 2 versions. one is a WWW version. You can get it via: http://www.snre.umich.edu/pinedocs/pine.internet.intro.html If you've got any url's in any home page that point to the old one, please change it. I'm probably going to take the other one off line soon. the other is a gopher document (straight text). Name=An Introduction to Unix Pine (General, made for the Internet) Type=0 Port=70 Path=0/doc/pine.internet.txt Host=gopher.snre.umich.edu OR gopher://gopher.snre.umich.edu:70/00/doc/pine.internet.txt Have fun. Please contact me if you have any comments/questions/requests about this document. ...alex... Alex Tang --- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET -----------+ UM-SNRE: Student, Computer Consultant III, & SysAdmin PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :) or via fing| WWW -> http://www.snre.umich.edu/users/altitude/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 22:12:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20479; Sat, 14 May 94 22:12:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24696; Sat, 14 May 94 21:59:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24690; Sat, 14 May 94 21:59:49 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09683; Sat, 14 May 94 21:59:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 21:59:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Frank M. Bright" Cc: PINE-INFO@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU, bright@shrsys.hslc.org Subject: Re: Pine on an IBM RS6000 In-Reply-To: <0097E6D3.E82780E0.8@shrsys.hslc.org> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What have you tried (specifically) and what are your symptoms? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 14 May 1994, Frank M. Bright wrote: > I am trying to stall Pine on an IBM RS6000 using AIX. I copied the AIX version > of Pine and I couldn't get it to work. Can someone give me a helping hand??? > > Frank Bright > Programmer/Techinical Specialist > Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science > Philadelphia, PA > Internet: bright@shrsys.hslc.org > Phone: 215.596.8532 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 23:54:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22054; Sat, 14 May 94 23:54:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23714; Sat, 14 May 94 23:46:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from YFN2.YSU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23708; Sat, 14 May 94 23:46:12 -0700 Received: by yfn2.ysu.edu id AA06417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sun, 15 May 1994 02:47:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 02:47:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199405150647.AA06417@yfn2.ysu.edu> From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) To: jimbuck@atc.boeing.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: What Are The ISO-8859-x Standards? Reply-To: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu >I wonder what they are ... probably can't display them with VT-100 telnet... The ISO-8859 standards are ways of representing languages other than US-ASCII-based English, primarily European languages. Asian languages use a different set of standards. The most common subset of ISO8859 is that used by western European languages, ISO-8859-1, and can be used for French, German, Spanish, Swedish, and so on. All these subsets have in common that their first 128 characters are equivalent to US-ASCII, and that the remaining 128 characters (those with bit 8 set, or 8-bit characters) are used for additional characters and diacritics, although the first 32 of them, just as the first 32 ASCII characters, are control characters. Other ISO8859 subsets can be used to write eastern European languages, or Greek, or Russian, or Hebrew, or Arabic... A true real-honest-to-goodness VT100 terminal does not have the ability to display more than the ASCII characters. However, many terminal emulators which more-or-less follow the VT100 standard have the ability to display additional 8-bit characters. Telnet itself will pass along this 8-bit data; for other connections, you may have to make sure your configuration passes 8-bit data. If you're running a VT100 emulator on a PC or something, you may see 8-bit data as funny Greek and other incorrect characters, since the PC code page probably does not match ISO8859-1. You can probably translate the 8-bit characters to the correct ones, or find a code page which has the correct characters in the correct positions. An example of this would be MS-Kermit; however, NCSA telnet for the PC does not pass 8-bit data. If you are looking for code pages or fonts to view various of the ISO8859 subsets, I set up the anonymous FTP server at ftp.vszbr.cz with two directories under /pub: PC-fonts and X11-fonts. The first contains lots of fun fonts, and under the latter, you can find a few fonts for all the ISO8859 subsets except Hebrew (which should be included in the standard X distribution), and Arabic. Consult your local system documentation for what to do with them... As Pine permits you to send mail using any of the ISO8859 subsets and will pass along the 8-bit data it receives in MIME format, you can use the fonts above to view practically any message sent with one of these character sets. Fonts for viewing other encodings, such as Asian languages, could be found elsewhere, although there is a Thai font on ftp.vszbr.cz, and more I've forgotten. Hope that's what you wanted to know and more... -- Barry Bouwsma, back in Michigan, wishes he were in Europe MIME mail to , ASCII text to Unemployed System Cracker and Unix Administrator, seeking work, food, warmth, companionship, free airline tickets, and lots of money From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 15 13:35:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01041; Sun, 15 May 94 13:35:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04870; Sun, 15 May 94 13:24:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vector.casti.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04864; Sun, 15 May 94 13:24:46 -0700 Return-Path: disc@vector.casti.com Received: by vector.casti.com (NX5.67d/5.931230) id AA18850; Sun, 15 May 94 16:20:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) From: David Casti Subject: Re: PGP? To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi David, About a month ago, we spoke briefly about PGP and pine. One of your comments was -- > PGP support is requested quite frequently, but due to legal > considerations we are very unlikely to distribute any explicit support for > PGP. In case you haven't already heard, there is a very exciting new development on this front. PGP version 2.5 was released on or about May 5, and the start of the documentation for that version reads: Changes to PGP 2.5: ***** MOST IMPORTANT ***** This version of PGP uses RSAREF 2.0, so it's legal in the U.S.! The RSAREF license forbids you to (among other things; see the license for full details) "use the program to provide services to others for which you are compensated in any manner", but that still covers a lot of people. > We are looking into the possibility of providing some general hooks > though... I'm all for general hooks, but since PGP is already so widely used and now that all legal barriers (in this country) have been removed, I'd like to encourage your group to reconsider including patches for PGP in your contrib/ directory. You certainly don't have to distribute PGP -- just include some patches for those of us who use it. Let me know what you think, David. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 15 17:17:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03017; Sun, 15 May 94 17:17:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07909; Sun, 15 May 94 17:06:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07903; Sun, 15 May 94 17:06:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id TAA07153; Sun, 15 May 1994 19:12:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 19:11:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: PGP? To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm also all for PGP inclusion into pine, and while there is some concerns about the politics behind MIT-PGP and the fact that it is an as-of-yet untested encryption algoritm, I do believe that some ideas should be tossed around the Pine-makers about how to ultimately implement some kind of public key cryptography into pine. NOTE: MIT-PGP might be fine, but it was only released a short time ago, and it has not yet been fully tested among the cypherpunk community, and thus cannot be fully endorsed. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 15 21:55:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05792; Sun, 15 May 94 21:55:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14728; Sun, 15 May 94 21:43:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14722; Sun, 15 May 94 21:43:33 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27513; Sun, 15 May 94 21:42:10 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 21:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: David Casti , "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PGP? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David and Robert: We are very interested in these developments... While the hooks for pgp/pem/whatever won't be in 3.90, they are very definitely on our "short" list. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 05:15:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11462; Mon, 16 May 94 05:15:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17928; Mon, 16 May 94 04:59:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vector.casti.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17922; Mon, 16 May 94 04:59:25 -0700 Return-Path: disc@vector.casti.com Received: by vector.casti.com (NX5.67d/5.931230) id AA00322; Mon, 16 May 94 07:54:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 07:54:28 -0400 (EDT) From: David Casti Subject: Re: PGP? To: Terry Gray Cc: "Robert A. Hayden" , David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Terry, > We are very interested in these developments... > While the hooks for pgp/pem/whatever won't be in 3.90, > they are very definitely on our "short" list. While I'm very interested in your team adding full support for PGP/etc in your code, would you consider including a PGP patch in your contrib/ directory? Thanks, David. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 05:52:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12001; Mon, 16 May 94 05:52:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18478; Mon, 16 May 94 05:36:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from FINANCE.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18472; Mon, 16 May 94 05:36:51 -0700 Received: by finance.wharton.upenn.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA26005; Mon, 16 May 1994 08:36:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 08:36:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Robinson Subject: 3.90 Release date To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am sure this question has been asked many times, but I haven't been able to locate it myself....when is the expected release date for 3.90 (or approximate) and is there a "new feature list" available yet? Mike +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Mike Robinson mrobinsn@wharton.upenn.edu At one point in my life I had a clear sense of direction and a great future to look forward to. College changed all that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 15:15:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29587; Mon, 16 May 94 15:15:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00703; Mon, 16 May 94 15:01:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from noknic.nokia.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00697; Mon, 16 May 94 15:01:28 -0700 Received: from dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com by nokia.com (4.1/KM201293) id AA07333; Tue, 17 May 94 01:01:17 +0300 Received: from dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com by dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25281; Tue, 17 May 94 01:01:15 +0300 Received: by dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27489; Tue, 17 May 94 01:01:13 +0300 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 01:01:13 +0300 (EETDST) From: Ian Leiman Subject: SPRUCE new documentation available on WWW To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SPRUCE is a rewrite of PINE 3.89 that has an OSF/Motif Graphical User Interface. It has not yet been released, but now you can read hypertext multimedia documents about it on-line through the WWW using the following URL: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/Spruce.html -- Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com homepage: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/~leiman/index.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 17:20:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04923; Mon, 16 May 94 17:20:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09191; Mon, 16 May 94 17:06:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gothic.acs.csulb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09185; Mon, 16 May 94 17:05:59 -0700 Received: by gothic.acs.csulb.edu id AA03848 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 16 May 1994 17:05:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 17:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: VampLestat Subject: Re: PGP? To: David Casti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 May 1994, David Casti wrote: > > We are very interested in these developments... > > While the hooks for pgp/pem/whatever won't be in 3.90, > > they are very definitely on our "short" list. > > While I'm very interested in your team adding full support for PGP/etc in > your code, would you consider including a PGP patch in your contrib/ > directory? Can someone forward me a copy of the patch that was made to integrate PGP into pine? I've grabbed the new version of PGP and I'd like to patch my current copy of pine and start using it... _O_ Ryan L. Watkins e-mail: vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services url : http://www.acs.csulb.edu/~vamp/ | CSU Long Beach - Network Support pgpkey: finger vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 18:29:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06329; Mon, 16 May 94 18:29:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05148; Mon, 16 May 94 18:17:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05134; Mon, 16 May 94 18:17:28 -0700 Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (che@father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA13568 for ; Tue, 17 May 1994 03:17:25 +0200 From: Christer Ekholm Received: (che@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) id DAA05991; Tue, 17 May 1994 03:17:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 03:17:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199405170117.DAA05991@father.ludd.luth.se> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: some configuration questions/suggestions * Is it possible to configure the default answer to the "Save the 1 read message" question? * Is it possible to configure what line is inversed in main menu at startup? If the answer to the questions abowe is no, think of them as suggestions. Personly I think that nothing can be too configurable. Christer Ekholm # che@ludd.luth.se # Lulea University Computer Society (Ludd),Sweden # ---------------- # PS Excuse my misplaced subscribe-message. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 17 14:44:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03276; Tue, 17 May 94 14:44:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26295; Tue, 17 May 94 14:27:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from booster.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26285; Tue, 17 May 94 14:27:08 -0700 Received: by booster.u.washington.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA05411; Tue, 17 May 94 14:27:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 14:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Corey Lawson Subject: Multiple Pine behavior... To: Pine-Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The standard default with Pine is that if one starts another Pine session then any previous instantiations of Pine are made read-only on the various open mail boxes. I guess I find this annoying. Any thoughs about changing the behaviour so that the first instantiation does not have its mailboxes locked, and any additional instantiations get only read-only access? And keyboard customization. Any thoughts about having a keymap file so that us poor people who use emacs for their editor for other things besides Pine can, for instance, change ^O to insert a new line, instead of postponing a message? Yes, I realize that this will probably not work for every terminal type out there, but for the vast majority of VT-100ish users this could have potential... -Corey Lawson alfalfa@booster.u.washington.edu ------------------------------------- U U W W W Bothell Campus U U W W W W =================== UUU W W Computer Facilities ------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 17 15:11:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04362; Tue, 17 May 94 15:11:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27031; Tue, 17 May 94 14:59:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27025; Tue, 17 May 94 14:59:38 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05605; Tue, 17 May 94 14:59:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 14:59:34 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Corey Lawson Cc: Pine-Info Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Corey, Actually, Pine used to have the first instantiation keep the lock, but that made it impossible for e.g. someone who left Pine running at work to update their INBOX while dialed in from home. If you don't want a second session to steal the lock, start Pine with the "-o" command line option. This will cause Pine to open your INBOX read-only and not steal the lock. Another alternative is to convert to the Tenex folder format which allows simultaneous read/write access. This format is not recognized by other mail tools though... We have absolutely no intention to support keyboard customization. We feel that the small gain for a few power-users is not worth the endless support nightmare for those who accidently do something strange. If you want a customized keyboard in the composer, I suggest using the alternate-editor feature... Thanks for the suggestions! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 17 May 1994, Corey Lawson wrote: > The standard default with Pine is that if one starts another Pine session > then any previous instantiations of Pine are made read-only on the various > open mail boxes. > > I guess I find this annoying. Any thoughs about changing the behaviour so > that the first instantiation does not have its mailboxes locked, and any > additional instantiations get only read-only access? > > And keyboard customization. Any thoughts about having a keymap file so > that us poor people who use emacs for their editor for other things > besides Pine can, for instance, change ^O to insert a new line, instead > of postponing a message? Yes, I realize that this will probably not work > for every terminal type out there, but for the vast majority of VT-100ish > users this could have potential... > > -Corey Lawson > alfalfa@booster.u.washington.edu > > ------------------------------------- > U U W W W Bothell Campus > U U W W W W =================== > UUU W W Computer Facilities > ------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 17 17:33:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08931; Tue, 17 May 94 17:33:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00633; Tue, 17 May 94 17:23:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from acad.csv.kutztown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00619; Tue, 17 May 94 17:23:51 -0700 Received: by acad.csv.kutztown.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA02546; Tue, 17 May 94 20:25:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 20:25:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Unger Subject: Sort by To: Field To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nobody responded from the first message I sent about having Pine sort the "to:" field when starting pine. I think this would be helpful for those of use who belong to 2 or 3 mailing lists. That way each list would be sorted in alpha order. Or is there a way to send incoming mail to a specific folder? (ex: Pine Mailing list to "pine" folder; Emacs list to "emacs" folder etc??) /********************************SBK**************************************\ |** Chris Unger MicroComputer Specialist **| |** unge1845@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Computer Services Room 112b **| S** cunger@nyx.cs.du.edu Kutztown University, PA **S B** **B K** Anyone can win, **K |** unless of course there happens Finger unge1845 for Hours **| |** to be a second contestant. and Phone Numbers **| \********************************SBK**************************************/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 00:59:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15732; Wed, 18 May 94 00:59:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15071; Wed, 18 May 94 00:46:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15065; Wed, 18 May 94 00:46:28 -0700 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by dummy1.dur.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <20807-0@dummy1.dur.ac.uk>; Wed, 18 May 1994 08:46:21 +0100 Received: from vega.dur.ac.uk by venus.dur.ac.uk; Wed, 18 May 94 08:46:19 BST Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:46:14 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Cornelius Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: David L Miller Cc: Pine-Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 932 On Tue, 17 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Actually, Pine used to have the first instantiation keep the lock, but that > made it impossible for e.g. someone who left Pine running at work to update > their INBOX while dialed in from home. If you don't want a second session to > steal the lock, start Pine with the "-o" command line option. This will > cause Pine to open your INBOX read-only and not steal the lock. ... Sometime ago I wanted to use pine in a readonly mode and looked at the man page and didn't find an option to do it. I don't believe that the -o option is documented in pine's man page (as at 3.89). -- Barry Cornelius Until 15 Apr 95: (091 or +44 91) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, From 01 Aug 94: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 University of Durham, IT Service Office: 374 2892 Fax: 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 06:36:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22494; Wed, 18 May 94 06:36:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12760; Wed, 18 May 94 06:17:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12754; Wed, 18 May 94 06:17:31 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA69137; Wed, 18 May 1994 08:09:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:09:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 06:50:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22769; Wed, 18 May 94 06:50:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13051; Wed, 18 May 94 06:33:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13045; Wed, 18 May 94 06:33:35 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA71069; Wed, 18 May 1994 08:25:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:25:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:01:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23057; Wed, 18 May 94 07:01:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13216; Wed, 18 May 94 06:43:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13210; Wed, 18 May 94 06:43:11 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20103; Wed, 18 May 94 06:43:08 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 18 May 94 15:36:18+0200 Date: 18 May 94 15:36:18+0200 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Message-Id: <693634*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine-Info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:05:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23105; Wed, 18 May 94 07:05:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20942; Wed, 18 May 94 06:40:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20936; Wed, 18 May 94 06:40:19 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail2.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <21874-0@mail2.reading.ac.uk>; Wed, 18 May 1994 14:39:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 14:39:29 +0100 (BST) From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: David L Miller Cc: Corey Lawson , Pine-Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1728 > On Tue, 17 May 1994, Corey Lawson wrote: > > > The standard default with Pine is that if one starts another Pine session > > then any previous instantiations of Pine are made read-only on the various > > open mail boxes. > > > > I guess I find this annoying. Any thoughs about changing the behaviour so > > that the first instantiation does not have its mailboxes locked, and any > > additional instantiations get only read-only access? AND THEN David L Miller replied: > Actually, Pine used to have the first instantiation keep the lock, but that > made it impossible for e.g. someone who left Pine running at work to update > their INBOX while dialed in from home. If you don't want a second session to > steal the lock, start Pine with the "-o" command line option. This will > cause Pine to open your INBOX read-only and not steal the lock. My suggestion: how about an option (call it -O ?) which has the effect of -o if another session has the lock, but is r/w otherwise? That way, when (as I do) I start up pine, forgetting that another pine session or other MUA already has access to the mailbox I will not screw up the first one (ECSmail really gets its knickers in a twist if you do this!), but otherwise I will get normal access. If I really DO want to grab the lock for my new session I can re-start pine without the special option. (Maybe there could be a way of doing this from within pine, but it's not that important.) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:14:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23309; Wed, 18 May 94 07:14:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13447; Wed, 18 May 94 06:58:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13441; Wed, 18 May 94 06:58:13 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20276; Wed, 18 May 94 06:58:12 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 18 May 94 15:54:04+0200 Date: 18 May 94 15:54:04+0200 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Message-Id: <693649*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine-Info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:49:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24239; Wed, 18 May 94 07:49:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21815; Wed, 18 May 94 07:29:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from jabba.lib.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21809; Wed, 18 May 94 07:29:47 -0700 Received: by jabba.lib.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.24 ) id AA21334; Wed, 18 May 94 07:29:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 07:29:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Garrett Subject: Re: your mail To: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Cc: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine-Info In-Reply-To: <693649*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try 'pine-info-request@cac.washington.edu' instead of the entire list. :-) -Adam On 18 May 1994 fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us wrote: > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:56:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24399; Wed, 18 May 94 07:56:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21998; Wed, 18 May 94 07:35:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21983; Wed, 18 May 94 07:35:17 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA69973; Wed, 18 May 1994 09:26:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 09:26:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Porting Pine to SCO-Unix To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have downloaded a binary of Pine from soils.agron.iastate.edu for SCO-Unix. However, when we run it we get a "core dumped" at the point after where the first screen comes up. We get the message "OPENING INBOX" and then the program crashes. I have a copy of the debug file and my pinerc file too, if anybody wants to take a look. Any help here will be much appreciated. Chris Fullinfaw fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (712)274-8733x1291 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 08:10:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24869; Wed, 18 May 94 08:10:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22454; Wed, 18 May 94 07:54:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22448; Wed, 18 May 94 07:54:25 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA79284; Wed, 18 May 1994 09:46:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 09:46:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: my mail To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I can't seem to get the message text part of my mail across to pine-info - can anybody read at least this message? Replies will be appreciated as I don't know why I can't get through. Thanks. Chris Fullinfaw fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (712)274-8733x1291 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 09:15:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27898; Wed, 18 May 94 09:15:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16006; Wed, 18 May 94 08:54:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16000; Wed, 18 May 94 08:54:25 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21587; Wed, 18 May 94 08:51:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Barry Cornelius Cc: Pine-Info Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unfortunately that is not the only thing missing from the Pine 3.89 man page. Use "pine -h" for a more accurate list of commands... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 18 May 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > On Tue, 17 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Actually, Pine used to have the first instantiation keep the lock, but that > > made it impossible for e.g. someone who left Pine running at work to update > > their INBOX while dialed in from home. If you don't want a second session to > > steal the lock, start Pine with the "-o" command line option. This will > > cause Pine to open your INBOX read-only and not steal the lock. ... > > Sometime ago I wanted to use pine in a readonly mode and looked at the > man page and didn't find an option to do it. I don't believe that the > -o option is documented in pine's man page (as at 3.89). > > -- > Barry Cornelius Until 15 Apr 95: (091 or +44 91) 374 4717 > IT Service, Science Site, From 01 Aug 94: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 > University of Durham, IT Service Office: 374 2892 Fax: 374 3741 > Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 11:00:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02042; Wed, 18 May 94 11:00:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18518; Wed, 18 May 94 10:31:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from atc.boeing.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18512; Wed, 18 May 94 10:31:31 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA29227; Wed, 18 May 94 10:33:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 10:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" Subject: Problem With Deleting Lines of Text To: Pine List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been trouble deleting lines of text in the Pico editor. I tried marking text with ^^ but ^K does not "Cut Text". How is line deletion done? -- Thanks, Jim Buck BCS CATIA Plotting Applications (G-2D17) FAX: (206) 965-6110; M/S 7P-CP; Bd. 7-359 12N4 Issaquah, Washington, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 12:14:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04810; Wed, 18 May 94 12:14:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29194; Wed, 18 May 94 11:46:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from arcfos1.arclch.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29186; Wed, 18 May 94 11:46:39 -0700 Received: Wed, 18 May 94 14:49:08 EDT by arcfos1.arclch.com (4.1) Date: Wed, 18 May 94 14:49:08 EDT From: (Ajay Nautilus Kochhar) Message-Id: <9405181849.AA01431@arcfos1.arclch.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Irix port Hi [folks], Does anyone have a Pine executable for Sgi platforms? -Ajay. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 13:55:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08517; Wed, 18 May 94 13:55:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22847; Wed, 18 May 94 13:26:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from baker.nwnet.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22841; Wed, 18 May 94 13:26:47 -0700 Received: from mail.nwnet.net by baker.nwnet.net (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18841; Wed, 18 May 94 13:26:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 13:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: Sort by To: Field To: Chris Unger Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, and for sorting your sent-mail folders too! LL On Tue, 17 May 1994, Chris Unger wrote: > Nobody responded from the first message I sent about having Pine > sort the "to:" field when starting pine. I think this would be helpful > for those of use who belong to 2 or 3 mailing lists. That way each list > would be sorted in alpha order. > Or is there a way to send incoming mail to a specific folder? > (ex: Pine Mailing list to "pine" folder; Emacs list to "emacs" folder etc??) > > > /********************************SBK**************************************\ > |** Chris Unger MicroComputer Specialist **| > |** unge1845@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Computer Services Room 112b **| > S** cunger@nyx.cs.du.edu Kutztown University, PA **S > B** **B > K** Anyone can win, **K > |** unless of course there happens Finger unge1845 for Hours **| > |** to be a second contestant. and Phone Numbers **| > \********************************SBK**************************************/ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 19:54:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16748; Wed, 18 May 94 19:54:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10440; Wed, 18 May 94 19:45:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eng.infinet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10432; Wed, 18 May 94 19:45:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 22:45:19 -400 (EDT) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: Pine/Pico for SCO Unix To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know there is an early port for Pine for SCO Unix (3.89), but there is a bug or problem when using it with MMDF, has that been resolved and is Pine fully workable under MMDF SCO Unix or SCO ODT 3.0? Thanks. Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 01:24:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20782; Thu, 19 May 94 01:24:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15495; Thu, 19 May 94 01:11:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15481; Thu, 19 May 94 01:11:18 -0700 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q43C7-000BzEC; Thu, 19 May 94 09:11 BST Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #137) id m0q43CW-0001g5C; Thu, 19 May 94 09:11 BST Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 09:11:31 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: David L Miller Cc: Barry Cornelius , Pine-Info , Tony Stoneley In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Unfortunately that is not the only thing missing from the Pine 3.89 man > page. Use "pine -h" for a more accurate list of commands... That shows -o ReadOnly - Open first folder read-only Is there any way of opening *subsequent* folders read-only? We have an archive of all messages to our hostmaster, and it would be very nice to be able to access it from a normal pine session in a read-only manner. I'd like to be able to mark folder collections in the .pinerc file as read-only. Philip -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 03:08:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22187; Thu, 19 May 94 03:08:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06311; Thu, 19 May 94 02:53:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06297; Thu, 19 May 94 02:53:18 -0700 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q44mm-000BzLC; Thu, 19 May 94 10:53 BST Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #137) id m0q44n9-0001g5C; Thu, 19 May 94 10:53 BST Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 10:53:27 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: maillist Pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The comments about read-only versions of Pine provoked this message from a non-Pine-using member of our staff. I thought it worth sharing... -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- 'hmm. The thing I hate most of all about Pine and many other mailers is that you can't go in for a quick trial (not even just to read the otherwise inaccessible documentation!) without having it trample about all over the place. It's specially aggravating to have it touching your inbox. If you are already deeply committed in some other mail world and can't afford to risk screwing it up, there's real disincentive ever to risk trying Pine. One possibility would be an option to force everything (er, except stdio!) to be openned read-only; another might be a "noclobber" option, one that guarantees never to open for writing any file that had not been created in the same session. Doubtless some deeper thought needed. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 06:08:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25237; Thu, 19 May 94 06:08:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08991; Thu, 19 May 94 05:47:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from flipper.pvv.unit.no by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08985; Thu, 19 May 94 05:46:58 -0700 Received: (from agulbra@localhost) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA10906 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 19 May 1994 14:46:55 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-Id: <199405191246.OAA10906@flipper.pvv.unit.no> Subject: Pine's time zone is wrong? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 14:46:53 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 512 Lookahere: Received: from terrazzo.lm.com (terrazzo.lm.com [192.231.221.6]) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03525 for ; Thu, 19 May 1994 05:34:06 +0200 Received: (from [deleted]@localhost) by terrazzo.lm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA26815; Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:08 +0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To me this suggests that some version of Pine 3.89 gets the time zone sign wrong. --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 07:19:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26158; Thu, 19 May 94 07:19:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10130; Thu, 19 May 94 07:01:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from andy.bgsu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10124; Thu, 19 May 94 07:01:16 -0700 Received: by andy.bgsu.edu (5.65/4.0) id AA19942 ; Thu, 19 May 94 10:01:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 May 94 10:01:11 -0400 From: Ken Kutz Message-Id: <9405191401.AA19942@andy.bgsu.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine/pico for freenet software Cc: herber@andy.bgsu.edu We are implementing a captive menu system and would like to use pine and pico as the MUA and editor of choice. Are you aware of any security problems (i.e. ways of escape such as shell escapes etc.) from either of these programs? Secondly, would you have any references for us of people who are using pine and pico in this fashion? Thanks very much. Ken From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 07:47:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26535; Thu, 19 May 94 07:47:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10530; Thu, 19 May 94 07:29:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10524; Thu, 19 May 94 07:29:30 -0700 Received: by mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca id AA06195 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 19 May 1994 10:28:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Muriel McKay Subject: Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9405191401.AA19942@andy.bgsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 08:21:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27790; Thu, 19 May 94 08:21:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22054; Thu, 19 May 94 08:02:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22044; Thu, 19 May 94 08:02:33 -0700 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q49a8-000BzUC; Thu, 19 May 94 16:00 BST Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #137) id m0q49aU-0001g5C; Thu, 19 May 94 16:00 BST Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 16:00:42 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: pine/pico for freenet software To: Ken Kutz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, herber@andy.bgsu.edu, mail-support@ucs.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9405191401.AA19942@andy.bgsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > We are implementing a captive menu system and would like to use pine > and pico as the MUA and editor of choice. Are you aware of any > security problems (i.e. ways of escape such as shell escapes etc.) > from either of these programs? Yes! We had a hard time with our students last October, on an untried system. We had to hack pine to prevent the users setting up a personal printer command. We also had to set the global configuration so that any attempt to enter an "alternate editor" just ran a script that said "sorry, you can't use an alternate editor". I think our other problems were not specifically related to Pine, but to the Perl scripts that implement our menu system. (Don't, for example, let a user type a file name and then just obey Perl's "open" command on it without checking its contents. They don't take long to discover that typing names such as "|sh" give interesting effects...) Philip -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 08:56:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29026; Thu, 19 May 94 08:56:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12150; Thu, 19 May 94 08:37:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12144; Thu, 19 May 94 08:37:36 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16366; Thu, 19 May 94 08:37:34 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 19 May 94 17:32:04+0200 Date: 19 May 94 17:32:04+0200 From: Muriel McKay Message-Id: <695373*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> In-Reply-To: <9405191401.AA19942@andy.bgsu.edu> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Ken Kutz , maillist Pine Cc: herber@andy.bgsu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 08:57:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29072; Thu, 19 May 94 08:57:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23199; Thu, 19 May 94 08:41:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23172; Thu, 19 May 94 08:40:57 -0700 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22841; Thu, 19 May 94 11:40:01 EDT Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 11:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: Philip Hazel Cc: maillist Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It would be nice if pine would respond to commands without waiting for the inbox to open. This is one of my main frustrations with pine. It is partly my fault. I'm terribly messy and generally have a very large inbox. (On one machine I have to keep it cleaned up a bit because I run out of space and pine refuses to start and dumps core. A nice reminder, but perhaps a liitle extreme.) I frequently want to get in to pine to do several things -- compose a message, read a message in a folder, and then reduce the stuff in my inbox. Even if I could get directly to the folder using a command line option it would be a pain. I like the nice general purpose command "pine" to get into the program. I think I see that there would be a programming problem to get behaviour different than what you have now. There is a need to wait to see that the open returns with sucess. But ..... /dan -- Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 08:59:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29267; Thu, 19 May 94 08:59:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23042; Thu, 19 May 94 08:36:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23036; Thu, 19 May 94 08:36:03 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12001; Thu, 19 May 94 08:35:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 08:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Philip Hazel Cc: maillist Pine Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Philip, It's true that --unless you open with the -o flag-- Pine will update the status of messages you actually look at (or delete!), but an original design goal of Pine was that it would *not* steal your inbox and "hide" it somewhere, like some other mailers do. That continues to be the default behavior of Pine, although a site administrator can link in the mbox driver or configure for mail.txt (tenex format) and lose that characteristic. The rationale was exactly that mentioned by your colleague: we wanted to make sure people could try Pine and not regret it, or switch back and forth among mailers easily. -teg On Thu, 19 May 1994, Philip Hazel wrote: > The comments about read-only versions of Pine provoked this message from > a non-Pine-using member of our staff. I thought it worth sharing... > > -- > Philip Hazel University Computing Service, > ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, > P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > 'hmm. The thing I hate most of all about Pine and many other mailers is > that you can't go in for a quick trial (not even just to read the > otherwise inaccessible documentation!) without having it trample about > all over the place. It's specially aggravating to have it touching > your inbox. If you are already deeply committed in some other mail > world and can't afford to risk screwing it up, there's real > disincentive ever to risk trying Pine. > > One possibility would be an option to force everything (er, except > stdio!) to be openned read-only; another might be a "noclobber" option, > one that guarantees never to open for writing any file that had not > been created in the same session. Doubtless some deeper thought needed. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 09:56:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02203; Thu, 19 May 94 09:56:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24309; Thu, 19 May 94 09:20:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24290; Thu, 19 May 94 09:20:15 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18992; Thu, 19 May 94 09:19:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 09:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine's time zone is wrong? In-Reply-To: <199405191246.OAA10906@flipper.pvv.unit.no> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The HP/UX port and possibly others do have a timezone bug.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 19 May 1994, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Lookahere: > > Received: from terrazzo.lm.com (terrazzo.lm.com [192.231.221.6]) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03525 for ; Thu, 19 May 1994 05:34:06 +0200 > Received: (from [deleted]@localhost) by terrazzo.lm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA26815; Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:11 -0400 > Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:08 +0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: > > To me this suggests that some version of Pine 3.89 gets the time zone sign > wrong. > > --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 09:58:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02334; Thu, 19 May 94 09:58:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13341; Thu, 19 May 94 09:17:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13335; Thu, 19 May 94 09:17:51 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18961; Thu, 19 May 94 09:17:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 09:17:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" Cc: Pine List Subject: Re: Problem With Deleting Lines of Text In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Do you get any response when ^K is pressed? If not you may have something intercepting it before it gets to Pine. Try "ESC ESC k" as a work-around... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 18 May 1994, Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072 wrote: > I have been trouble deleting lines of text in the Pico editor. I tried > marking text with ^^ but ^K does not "Cut Text". How is line deletion > done? > > -- > Thanks, Jim Buck > BCS CATIA Plotting Applications (G-2D17) > FAX: (206) 965-6110; M/S 7P-CP; Bd. 7-359 12N4 > Issaquah, Washington, USA > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 11:48:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06273; Thu, 19 May 94 11:48:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16605; Thu, 19 May 94 11:30:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from atc.boeing.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16599; Thu, 19 May 94 11:30:34 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA11390; Thu, 19 May 94 11:32:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 11:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" Subject: Re: Problem With Deleting Lines of Text To: Pine List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I tried it and it works. Works: 1) Mark text: ^^ 2) Select text: arrow keys 3) ESC ESC k Does not work: 1) & 2) same as before 3) ^K I wouldn't be surprised if something is intercepting characters. Here's my setup: Ungermann-Bass Telnet (TN100.EXE) on an IBM PS/2, PC-DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1 Unix Host: atc.boeing.com running Ultrix On Thu, 19 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Jim, > > Do you get any response when ^K is pressed? If not you may have > something intercepting it before it gets to Pine. Try "ESC ESC k" as a > work-around... > > --DLM > > On Wed, 18 May 1994, Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072 wrote: > > > I have been trouble deleting lines of text in the Pico editor. I tried > > marking text with ^^ but ^K does not "Cut Text". How is line deletion > > done? -- Thanks, Jim Buck BCS CATIA Plotting Applications (G-2D17) FAX: (206) 965-6110; M/S 7P-CP; Bd. 7-359 12N4 Issaquah, Washington, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 14:10:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11207; Thu, 19 May 94 14:10:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01269; Thu, 19 May 94 13:47:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mento.oit.unc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01260; Thu, 19 May 94 13:47:54 -0700 Received: by mento.oit.unc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/TAS/11-16-88) id AA01382; Thu, 19 May 94 16:47:53 EDT Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 16:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Jones Subject: MIME decoding To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We live in a diverse world in which not all mailers do MIME decoding/encoding--yet. This means that folks without Pine or Metamail or the like (say folks running DaVinci for example) are sometimes stuck in the following situation: Someone using pine sends them mail with a MIME attachment. They receive the message and are able to save the file. BUT the file is now in MIME (base 64) encoding and can't be cracked. Is there a MIME/deMIME program for PCs and/or Macs? If the file were to be transfered to a host with Pine, could Pine be used to decode it (I think not easily)? I can't believe that we're the only ones who have had this problem. What have others done? Thanks for your help, Paul ============================================== Paul Jones Office FOR Information Technology University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC Paul_Jones@unc.edu Imagination is more important than knowledge - A. Einstein From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 15:25:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13427; Thu, 19 May 94 15:25:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22015; Thu, 19 May 94 15:12:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from flipper.pvv.unit.no by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22009; Thu, 19 May 94 15:12:16 -0700 Received: (from agulbra@localhost) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA18716; Fri, 20 May 1994 00:12:02 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-Id: <199405192212.AAA18716@flipper.pvv.unit.no> Subject: Re: MIME decoding To: pjones@mento.oit.unc.edu (Paul Jones) Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 00:12:00 +0200 (EET) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Paul Jones" at May 19, 94 04:47:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 443 > Is there a MIME/deMIME program for PCs and/or Macs? There's mpack/munpack. Here's the text it inserts before the first bodypart: This is a MIME encoded message. Decode it with "munpack" or any other MIME reading software. Mpack/munpack is available in Volume 3 of comp.sources.reviewed or via anonymous FTP in export.acs.cmu.edu:pub/mpack/ Version 1.3 was released just a few days ago, I saw an announcement on comp.mail.mime. --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 18:51:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18571; Thu, 19 May 94 18:51:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26355; Thu, 19 May 94 18:40:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26349; Thu, 19 May 94 18:40:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA22027; Thu, 19 May 1994 18:40:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199405200140.SAA22027@weber.ucsd.edu> To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Arnt Gulbrandsen Reply-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine's time zone is wrong? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 May 1994 09:19:35 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <22023.769398055.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 18:40:55 -0700 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" Telnet to the host in lookahere has a display banner for 4.3 BSD Unix. This error doesn't occur on my HP*-*UX system (9.00). -mike > > The HP/UX port and possibly others do have a timezone bug.... > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Thu, 19 May 1994, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > > Lookahere: > > > > Received: from terrazzo.lm.com (terrazzo.lm.com [192.231.221.6]) by flipper .pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03525 for ; Th u, 19 May 1994 05:34:06 +0200 > > Received: (from [deleted]@localhost) by terrazzo.lm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XA A26815; Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:11 -0400 > > Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:08 +0400 (EDT) > > Message-ID: > > > > To me this suggests that some version of Pine 3.89 gets the time zone sign > > wrong. > > > > --Arnt > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 20 01:37:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23549; Fri, 20 May 94 01:37:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02106; Fri, 20 May 94 01:18:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02100; Fri, 20 May 94 01:18:24 -0700 Received: from apus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.2] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q4PmV-000BzPC; Fri, 20 May 94 09:18 BST Received: by apus.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q4PmU-000347C; Fri, 20 May 94 09:18 BST Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 09:18:10 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Landy Reply-To: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: Dan Schlitt Cc: maillist Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 May 1994, Dan Schlitt wrote: > It would be nice if pine would respond to commands without waiting for the > inbox to open. This is one of my main frustrations with pine. It is Suggestion: set up an empty folder (in mail/ or wherever your folders are) and define it as your inbox; have your real inbox as a secondary incoming mail collection. I do not believe that Pine will try to open the second one unless you try to Go there explicitly, or via TAB, or the folder list. > partly my fault. I'm terribly messy and generally have a very large > inbox. (On one machine I have to keep it cleaned up a bit because I run > out of space and pine refuses to start and dumps core. A nice reminder, > but perhaps a liitle extreme.) [several lines cut] > > > Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems > dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York > (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 20 02:41:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24200; Fri, 20 May 94 02:41:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14197; Fri, 20 May 94 02:23:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14191; Fri, 20 May 94 02:23:51 -0700 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q4Qmb-000BzSC; Fri, 20 May 94 10:22 BST Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #137) id m0q4QmZ-0001g5C; Fri, 20 May 94 10:22 BST Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 10:22:19 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: Dan Schlitt Cc: maillist Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > It would be nice if pine would respond to commands without waiting for the > inbox to open. This is one of my main frustrations with pine. It is > partly my fault. I'm terribly messy and generally have a very large > inbox. I get and send a lot of mail and have a large sent-mail folder. I want to be able to open it read-only, mainly so that closing it near the end of the month (when it can contain hundreds of messages) doesn't take so much time! That is one of my main frustrations. I am often tempted to scan the folder using an editor instead, simply to save time. -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 20 04:43:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26350; Fri, 20 May 94 04:43:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16144; Fri, 20 May 94 04:31:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16138; Fri, 20 May 94 04:31:40 -0700 Via: uk.ac.stirling; Fri, 20 May 1994 12:03:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 12:05:33 +0100 (BST) From: Mr Brian M Bullen Subject: MH support To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I notice (contrary to a statement in tech-notes) that there is no support for MH format mailboxes (i.e. no initialization of the mhdriver in pine.c or imapd.c). Am I foolish in wanting this facility ? My main problem is that the imapd daemon becomes a memory hog on my 'normal' flat file folders, would it use less memory with MH folders (or does it still need to read in the entire contents of each message even to displaying the index of messages ?) --- Brian Bullen. Email: b.m.bullen@stirling.ac.uk. Phone: (+44) 786 46 7256 Unix Systems Specialist, Information Services, Univ. of Stirling From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 20 09:01:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01423; Fri, 20 May 94 09:01:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20465; Fri, 20 May 94 08:39:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20459; Fri, 20 May 94 08:39:29 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13079; Fri, 20 May 94 08:38:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Mr Brian M Bullen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MH support In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brian, The MH driver included in the Pine 3.89 distribution was a semi-functional read-only contributed driver that we had no way to support. However, the latest IMAP toolkit (mail/imap-3.3.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) included a full, supported MH driver. This driver will also be included in the upcoming Pine 3.90 release. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 20 May 1994, Mr Brian M Bullen wrote: > I notice (contrary to a statement in tech-notes) that there is no > support for MH format mailboxes (i.e. no initialization of the mhdriver > in pine.c or imapd.c). > > Am I foolish in wanting this facility ? > My main problem is that the imapd daemon becomes a memory hog on > my 'normal' flat file folders, would it use less memory with MH folders > (or does it still need to read in the entire contents of each message > even to displaying the index of messages ?) > > > --- > Brian Bullen. Email: b.m.bullen@stirling.ac.uk. Phone: (+44) 786 46 7256 > Unix Systems Specialist, Information Services, Univ. of Stirling > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 21 04:59:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26016; Sat, 21 May 94 04:59:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12609; Sat, 21 May 94 04:43:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from yacht.ee.fit.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12603; Sat, 21 May 94 04:43:16 -0700 Received: by ee.fit.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0/900117wah) id AA03268; Sat, 21 May 94 07:38:25 EDT Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 07:38:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Subject: "Illegal" characters. To: Pine List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greets: I am running PINE 3.89 compiled on a Sun Sparc running 4.1.x and am awaiting release of 3.90 sometime soon so I can fix up all the little things I didn't change (compilation defualts) before announcing that we now have PINE available online for our users ... but I have one little question: I have created a folder which I call "for sale." In it I keep, not surprisingly, items that are for sale. Now, whenever I enter this folder, after a short interval PINE tells me that: "[Character '' after 'for' not allowed in folder name]" which is obviously false as I have no troubles whatsoever accessing this directory. I was just curious as to why the functionality exists for this popup message. +====================================+=====================================+ | Christopher Curtis : Florida Institute of Technology | | Sun Lab System Administrator : Melbourne, Florida | | E-Mail/MIME/finger : ccurtis@ee.fit.edu | +====================================+=====================================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 21 08:53:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28423; Sat, 21 May 94 08:53:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02949; Sat, 21 May 94 08:37:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from locust.cic.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02943; Sat, 21 May 94 08:37:48 -0700 Received: (from pauls@localhost) by locust.cic.net (8.6.7/8.6.6) id LAA07570; Sat, 21 May 1994 11:36:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 11:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Southworth Reply-To: Paul Southworth Subject: AIX screwyness & pine 3.89 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1461779814-2018471785-769534570:#7545" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1461779814-2018471785-769534570:#7545 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Someone must have gone through this before... Building pine 3.89 under AIX 3.2 (version is something prior to 3.2.4, exactly what it is is rather hard to tell) I experienced the following problems: 1. If built with IBM's "cc" it seg faults and core dumps whenever ordered to send a message (^X). 2. If built with GCC 2.5.8 it builds fine and will send mail, but gets badly confused about expanding paths. For example, it can't find the sent-mail folder (even if it exists) and asks if I want to create a new one. Then it chokes when creating it. It creates it properly the first time, but for ever subsequent message it thinks the sent-mail folder doesn't exist, asks if you want to create it, and then complains that it exists and bails out of creating it, without sending the message. With debug level set to 7, it looks like this: === send called === new win size -----<24 80>------ cannonized To "Paul Southworth " find_folders_in_context: mail/[] ====== context_mailbox: (mail/sent-mail) Want_to read: y (121) IMAP 10:17 5/21 mm_log ERROR: Can't create mailbox mail/sent-mail: mailbox already exists Corollary of this is that it's also confused about where the folders live. For example, if you look in the Folder List it looks like this: INBOX mail/. mail/.. mail/saved-messages mail/sent-mail instead of: INBOX saved-messages sent-mail Consequently if I try to open the sent-mail directory it says: [No such file or directory: mail/mail/sent-mail] Furthermore if I try to trick it into looking in the right place by defining: mail-directory=~/mail It expands that wrong and says: Creating subdirectory "/u/pauls//u/pauls/mail" where pine will store its mail folders. Error creating subdirectory "/u/pauls//u/pauls/mail" : No such file or directory Any solutions would be much appreciated. Attachment to this is a .pine-debug output from debug level 7. -- Paul Southworth CICNet Systems Support pauls@cic.net --1461779814-2018471785-769534570:#7545 Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream; name=debug Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Pine Debug Output @ Level 7 RGVidWcgb3V0cHV0IG9mIHRoZSBQaW5lIHByb2dyYW0gKGF0IGRlYnVnIGxl dmVsIDcpLiAgVmVyc2lvbiAzLjg5ClNhdCBNYXkgMjEgMTA6MjY6MDUgMTk5 NAoKcmVhZGluZ19waW5lcmMgIi91c3IvbG9jYWwvbGliL3BpbmUuY29uZiIK UmVhZCA3NzgzIGNoYXJhY3RlcnMKcGluZXJjIDogL3Vzci9sb2NhbC9sIDog ICBmb2xkZXItY29sbGVjdGlvbnMgOiAibWFpbC9bXSIKcGluZXJjIDogL3Vz ci9sb2NhbC9sIDogICAgICAgICAgZGVmYXVsdC1mY2MgOiAiIgpwaW5lcmMg OiAvdXNyL2xvY2FsL2wgOiBsYXN0LXRpbWUtcHJ1bmUtcXVlcyA6ICIiCnBp bmVyYyA6IC91c3IvbG9jYWwvbCA6ICAgIGxhc3QtdmVyc2lvbi11c2VkIDog IiIKcmVhZGluZ19waW5lcmMgIi91L3BhdWxzLy5waW5lcmMiClJlYWQgNzc3 NCBjaGFyYWN0ZXJzCnBpbmVyYyA6IC91L3BhdWxzLy5waSA6IGxhc3QtdGlt ZS1wcnVuZS1xdWVzIDogIjk0LjUiCnBpbmVyYyA6IC91L3BhdWxzLy5waSA6 ICAgIGxhc3QtdmVyc2lvbi11c2VkIDogIjMuODkiCiAgICBwZXJzb25hbC1u YW1lIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAg ICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4KICAgICAgICAgIHVzZXItaWQgOiAgICAgICAg ICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVu c2V0PgogICAgICB1c2VyLWRvbWFpbiA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAg ICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CiAgICAgIHNt dHAtc2VydmVyIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVu c2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4KICAgICAgIGluYm94LXBhdGggOiAg ICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICAgIGluYm94ICAgICAgICAg ICAgICBpbmJveAogaW5jb21pbmctZm9sZGVycyA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVu c2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CmZv bGRlci1jb2xsZWN0aW9uIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAg ICAgbWFpbC9bXSAgICAgICAgICAgIG1haWwvW10KIG5ld3MtY29sbGVjdGlv bnMgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAg ICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PgogICAgICBkZWZhdWx0LWZjYyA6ICAgICAgICAg ICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgCiAgIG1haWwtZGlyZWN0b3J5IDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgbWFpbCAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIG1haWwKcmVhZC1tZXNz YWdlLWZvbGQgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5z ZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PgogICBzaWduYXR1cmUtZmlsZSA6ICAg ICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgIC5zaWduYXR1cmUgICAgICAgICAu c2lnbmF0dXJlCiAgICAgYWRkcmVzcy1ib29rIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5z ZXQ+ICAgICAgIC5hZGRyZXNzYm9vayAgICAgICAuYWRkcmVzc2Jvb2sKICAg ICBmZWF0dXJlLWxpc3QgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAg ICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0Pgppbml0aWFsLWtleXN0cm9r ZSA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAg ICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CnNhdmVkLW1zZy1uYW1lLXJ1IDogICAgICAgICAg ICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICBkZWZhdWx0LWZvbGRlciAgICAgZGVmYXVsdC1mb2xk ZXIKICAgICAgICAgc29ydC1rZXkgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAg ICAgICAgICBhcnJpdmFsICAgICAgICAgICAgYXJyaXZhbAogICAgY2hhcmFj dGVyLXNldCA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNl dD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CiAgICAgICAgICAgZWRpdG9yIDogICAg ICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAg IDx1bnNldD4KICAgICBpbWFnZS12aWV3ZXIgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNl dD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0Pgp1c2Ut b25seS1kb21haW4tbiA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgbm8gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIG5vCiAgICAgICAgICBwcmludGVy IDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgYXR0YWNoZWQtdG8tYW5zaSAgIGF0 dGFjaGVkLXRvLWFuc2kKcGVyc29uYWwtcHJpbnQtY28gOiAgICAgICAgICAg IDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0 Pgogc3RhbmRhcmQtcHJpbnRlciA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICBscHIgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbHByCmxhc3QtdGltZS1w cnVuZS1xIDogICAgICAgICAgICAgICA5NC41ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0 PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIDk0LjUKbGFzdC12ZXJzaW9uLXVzZWQgOiAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgIDMuODkgICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgMy44OQogICAgYnVncy1uaWNrbmFtZSA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0 PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CiAgICBi dWdzLWZ1bGxuYW1lIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAg PHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4KICAgICBidWdzLWFkZHJlc3Mg OiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAg ICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PgogICBlbG0tc3R5bGUtc2F2ZSA6ICAgICAgICAgICAg PHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm8gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIG5v CiAgaGVhZGVyLWluLXJlcGx5IDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICBubyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm8KICAgIGZlYXR1cmUt bGV2ZWwgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICBzYXBsaW5n ICAgICAgICAgICAgc2FwbGluZwogIG9sZC1zdHlsZS1yZXBseSA6ICAgICAg ICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm8gICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgIG5vCiAgICAgY29tcG9zZS1taW1lIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4Kc2hvdy1h bGwtY2hhcmFjdGUgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8 dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PgogICBzYXZlLWJ5LXNlbmRlciA6 ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm8gICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgIG5vClVzZXJpZDogcGF1bHMKRnVsbG5hbWU6ICJQYXVsIFNv dXRod29ydGgiClVzZXIgZG9tYWluIG5hbWUgYmVpbmcgdXNlZCAiIgpMb2Nh bCBEb21haW4gbmFtZSBiZWluZyB1c2VkICJzdGF0ZS5pbC51cyIKSG9zdCBu YW1lIGJlaW5nIHVzZWQgImlzYmUuc3RhdGUuaWwudXMiCk1haWwgRG9tYWlu IG5hbWUgYmVpbmcgdXNlZCAiaXNiZS5zdGF0ZS5pbC51cyIKbmV3IHdpbiBz aXplIC0tLS0tPDI0IDgwPi0tLS0tLQpUZXJtaW5hbCB0eXBlOiB4dGVybQpT Y3JvbGwgbW9kZTogU2Nyb2xsIFJlZ2lvbnMKQ29udGV4dCBtYWlsL1tdIHR5 cGU6IExPQ0FMCkFib3V0IHRvIG9wZW4gZm9sZGVyICJJTkJPWCIgICAgaW5i b3g6ICJJTkJPWCIKPT09IG1tX2V4aXN0cygzLC91c3Ivc3Bvb2wvbWFpbC9w YXVscykgY2FsbGVkID09PQpPcGVuZWQgZm9sZGVyICIvdXNyL3Nwb29sL21h aWwvcGF1bHMiIHdpdGggMyBtZXNzYWdlcwpTb3J0aW5nIGJ5IGFycml2YWwK Rmlyc3QgdW5zZWVuIHJldHVybmluZyAzCj09PT0gZXhwaXJlX21haWwgY2Fs bGVkID09PT0KCgogICAgLS0tLSBNQUlOX01FTlVfU0NSRUVOIC0tLS0KTWFp bF9QaW5nKG1haWxfc3RyZWFtKTogU2F0IE1heSAyMSAxMDoyNjowNiAxOTk0 CgpOZXcgbWFpbCBjaGVja2VkIApQaW5nIGNvbXBsZXRlOiBTYXQgTWF5IDIx IDEwOjI2OjA2IDE5OTQKCioqKioqKioqIG5ldyBtYWlsIHJldHVybmluZyAt MSAgKioqKioqKioKCgogLS0tLSBNQUlMIElOREVYIC0tLS0KCiAtIHByb2Nl c3NfY21kKCgxMykNKSAtCgoKICAtLS0tLSAgTUFJTCBWSUVXICAtLS0tLQoq KioqKioqKiBuZXcgbWFpbCByZXR1cm5pbmcgLTEgICoqKioqKioqCgogLSBw cm9jZXNzX2NtZCgoMTA5KW0pIC0KTUFJTF9DTUQ6IGdvaW5nIGJhY2sgdG8g bWFpbiBtZW51UFJPQ0VTU19DTUQgcmV0dXJuOiAwCgoKICAgIC0tLS0gTUFJ Tl9NRU5VX1NDUkVFTiAtLS0tCj09PSBmb2xkZXJfc2NyZWVuIGNhbGxlZCA9 PT09CgoKICAgIC0tLS0gRk9MREVSIFNDUkVFTiAtLS0tCmZpbmRfZm9sZGVy c19pbl9jb250ZXh0OiBtYWlsL1tdCj09PT09PSBjb250ZXh0X21haWxib3g6 IChtYWlsLy4pCj09PT09PSBjb250ZXh0X21haWxib3g6IChtYWlsLy4uKQo9 PT09PT0gY29udGV4dF9tYWlsYm94OiAobWFpbC9zYXZlZC1tZXNzYWdlcykK PT09PT09IGNvbnRleHRfbWFpbGJveDogKG1haWwvc2VudC1tYWlsKQpmb2xk ZXIgY29tbWFuZDogMSAoMzA1KQpmb2xkZXIgY29tbWFuZDogDSAoMTMpCkFi b3V0IHRvIG9wZW4gZm9sZGVyICJtYWlsL3NlbnQtbWFpbCIgICAgaW5ib3g6 ICJJTkJPWCIKQ2xvc2UgLSBzYXZlZCBpbmJveCBzdGF0ZTogcmVhbCAzLCBt YXggMwpJTUFQIDEwOjI2IDUvMjEgbW1fbG9nIEVSUk9SOiBObyBzdWNoIGZp bGUgb3IgZGlyZWN0b3J5OiBtYWlsL21haWwvc2VudC1tYWlsCmZvbGRlciBj b21tYW5kOiAAICgwKQpmb2xkZXIgY29tbWFuZDogcSAoMTEzKQoKCiAgICAt LS0tIFFVSVQgU0NSRUVOIC0tLS0KV2FudF90byByZWFkOiBSRVRVUk4gKDEz KQpleHB1bmdlIGFuZCBjbG9zZSBtYWlsIHN0cmVhbSAiL3Vzci9zcG9vbC9t YWlsL3BhdWxzIgphYm91dCB0byBlbmRfdHR5X2RyaXZlcgo= --1461779814-2018471785-769534570:#7545-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 22 11:13:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15629; Sun, 22 May 94 11:13:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08271; Sun, 22 May 94 10:58:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from marian.cs.nott.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08265; Sun, 22 May 94 10:58:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9405221758.AA08265@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from robin.cs.nott.ac.uk by marian.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa00554; 22 May 94 18:59 BST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Interfacing with MMDF and MH Date: Sun, 22 May 94 18:56:20 +0100 From: Dale Peakall I want to run Pine on my site at University. However, the sys admins have no intention of suppoerting /usr/spool/mail as we run MMDF over multiple machines which are all NFS mounted. The default mailer we use is MH, and the system is set-up to put mail files into individual files within sub-directories which act as MH folders (in MH format). I've looked at the source of the pine c-client library and have seen MMDF drivers, and MH drivers. I modified the makefile for the c-client library to make it compile these files, and added the calls to make_link in pine.c (just after the link to dummy) and compiled pine as well: make_link((DRIVER *)&mhdriver) make_link((DRIVER *)&mmdfdriver) However, this still doesn't allow me to access my MH mailbox with pine. Am I striving towards the impossible, or am I just going about it completely the wrong way? Dale Peakall. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 23 08:02:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28853; Mon, 23 May 94 08:02:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10900; Mon, 23 May 94 07:31:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from space.hsv.usra.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10834; Mon, 23 May 94 07:27:55 -0700 Received: by space.hsv.usra.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI.AUTO) for pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA20417; Mon, 23 May 94 09:24:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 09:09:15 -0500 (CDT) From: jayanthi srikishen Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 23 08:21:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29326; Mon, 23 May 94 08:21:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11691; Mon, 23 May 94 08:13:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11685; Mon, 23 May 94 08:13:11 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15081; Mon, 23 May 94 08:13:09 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 23 May 94 17:04:09+0200 Date: 23 May 94 17:04:09+0200 From: jayanthi srikishen Message-Id: <699005*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 23 09:44:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02328; Mon, 23 May 94 09:44:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13483; Mon, 23 May 94 09:34:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13476; Mon, 23 May 94 09:33:59 -0700 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA02372; Mon, 23 May 1994 12:33:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 12:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "SHERRY H. LAKE" Subject: GIF Viewer for Pc-Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone using PC-Pine have a gif viewer that they could recommend? I found one that works, but is only EGA and VGA compatible. The others I tried I couldn't get to work. Any help using a image viewer with pine is appreciated. Thanks...... Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 23 13:04:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09170; Mon, 23 May 94 13:04:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03215; Mon, 23 May 94 12:49:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03209; Mon, 23 May 94 12:49:27 -0700 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA16529; Mon, 23 May 1994 15:49:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 15:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "SHERRY H. LAKE" Subject: GIF Viewer for Pc-Pine (correction) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone using PC-Pine have a gif viewer that they could recommend? I found one that works, but is only EGA and NOT VGA compatible. The others I tried I couldn't get to work. Any help using a image viewer with pc-pine is appreciated. Thanks...... Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 12:55:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08057; Tue, 24 May 94 12:55:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00304; Tue, 24 May 94 12:43:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [166.122.246.2] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00298; Tue, 24 May 94 12:43:19 -0700 Received: by hinc.hawaii.gov (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA05871; Tue, 24 May 1994 09:40:41 +1000 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 09:40:40 +38835 (HST) From: John Pescador Subject: error message To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 218 I got the following error message from pine: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) I have the core dump in my directory. - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 13:41:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09762; Tue, 24 May 94 13:41:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14055; Tue, 24 May 94 13:25:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14049; Tue, 24 May 94 13:25:54 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09477; Tue, 24 May 94 13:25:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Reply-To: Pine Mission Control {bug reports} To: John Pescador Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: error message In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, What were the circumstances of the crash? Is it reproducible? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > I got the following error message from pine: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > - John > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 13:41:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09787; Tue, 24 May 94 13:41:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13991; Tue, 24 May 94 13:21:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13985; Tue, 24 May 94 13:21:31 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 13:00 PDT Message-Id: From: johnp@hinc.hawaii.gov (John Pescador) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 05:10:40 GMT Subject: error message X-L2L: psg.com I got the following error message from pine: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) I have the core dump in my directory. - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 13:50:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10069; Tue, 24 May 94 13:50:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14329; Tue, 24 May 94 13:35:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14323; Tue, 24 May 94 13:35:29 -0700 Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA06951 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 May 1994 16:35:21 -0400 Received: by rac2.wam.umd.edu id AA02239 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 24 May 1994 16:35:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 16:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." Subject: Re: error message To: John Pescador Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > I got the following error message from pine: > I get: Pine Panic: Received abort signal. I'm on a AIX3.2 system. > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > - John > > > > > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 13:52:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10142; Tue, 24 May 94 13:52:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01480; Tue, 24 May 94 13:35:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [166.122.246.2] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01466; Tue, 24 May 94 13:35:26 -0700 Received: by hinc.hawaii.gov (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA06047; Tue, 24 May 1994 10:32:50 +1000 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 10:32:50 +38835 (HST) From: John Pescador Subject: Re: error message To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 447 David I'm using a product called Pathway from Wollongong. I can toggle up to sessions on the terminal I have. I am TCP/IP connected to our Sun workstation. I had one session telneting to another account. I toggle to my second session which was in pine and I saw the error message. This is the first time that I have ever seen it. I don't think I could duplicate it. Would having the core dump help? - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 14:35:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11345; Tue, 24 May 94 14:35:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15267; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15261; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:09 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:00 PDT Message-Id: From: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 20:25:41 GMT Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com John, What were the circumstances of the crash? Is it reproducible? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > I got the following error message from pine: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > - John > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 14:36:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11376; Tue, 24 May 94 14:36:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15275; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15269; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:01 PDT Message-Id: From: johnp@hinc.hawaii.gov (John Pescador) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 05:10:40 GMT Subject: error message X-L2L: psg.com I got the following error message from pine: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) I have the core dump in my directory. - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 14:37:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11444; Tue, 24 May 94 14:37:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15283; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15277; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:16 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:03 PDT Message-Id: From: David L Miller To: "-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 14:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com Gentlemen, The most important question is "how can we reproduce this crash?" If you cannot determine the circumstances, we _might_ be able to extract that from the core file. If you know how to generate a stack trace (where command in dbx/gdb), that is as good as the whole core file in most cases and saves net bandwidth. Please followup to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu. Do _not_ send core files to pine-info! Thanks for the reports! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 May 1994, -sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > > > > I got the following error message from pine: > > > > I get: > > Pine Panic: Received abort signal. > > I'm on a AIX3.2 system. > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > > Exiting pine. > > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > > > - John > > > > > > > > > > > > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega > highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity > 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland > Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD > *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* > | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | > | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | > | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | > *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 15:07:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12057; Tue, 24 May 94 15:07:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16036; Tue, 24 May 94 14:56:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16028; Tue, 24 May 94 14:56:41 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:30 PDT Message-Id: From: johnp@hinc.hawaii.gov (John Pescador) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 06:02:50 GMT Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com David I'm using a product called Pathway from Wollongong. I can toggle up to sessions on the terminal I have. I am TCP/IP connected to our Sun workstation. I had one session telneting to another account. I toggle to my second session which was in pine and I saw the error message. This is the first time that I have ever seen it. I don't think I could duplicate it. Would having the core dump help? - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 15:07:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12068; Tue, 24 May 94 15:07:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16042; Tue, 24 May 94 14:56:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16032; Tue, 24 May 94 14:56:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:30 PDT Message-Id: From: highway@wam.umd.edu ("-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.") To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 20:35:08 GMT Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > I got the following error message from pine: > I get: Pine Panic: Received abort signal. I'm on a AIX3.2 system. > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > - John > > > > > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 16:08:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14004; Tue, 24 May 94 16:08:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16974; Tue, 24 May 94 15:38:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16950; Tue, 24 May 94 15:38:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 15:00 PDT Message-Id: From: johnp@hinc.hawaii.gov (John Pescador) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 05:10:40 GMT Subject: error message X-L2L: psg.com I got the following error message from pine: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) I have the core dump in my directory. - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 16:08:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14006; Tue, 24 May 94 16:08:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16986; Tue, 24 May 94 15:38:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16970; Tue, 24 May 94 15:38:32 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 15:01 PDT Message-Id: From: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 21:02:49 GMT Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com Gentlemen, The most important question is "how can we reproduce this crash?" If you cannot determine the circumstances, we _might_ be able to extract that from the core file. If you know how to generate a stack trace (where command in dbx/gdb), that is as good as the whole core file in most cases and saves net bandwidth. Please followup to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu. Do _not_ send core files to pine-info! Thanks for the reports! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 May 1994, -sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > > > > I got the following error message from pine: > > > > I get: > > Pine Panic: Received abort signal. > > I'm on a AIX3.2 system. > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > > Exiting pine. > > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > > > - John > > > > > > > > > > > > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega > highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity > 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland > Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD > *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* > | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | > | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | > | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | > *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 21:31:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19788; Tue, 24 May 94 21:31:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23354; Tue, 24 May 94 21:24:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rip.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23348; Tue, 24 May 94 21:24:43 -0700 Received: by rip.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0q6AWH-00030xC; Tue, 24 May 94 21:24 PDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 May 94 21:24 PDT From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Mail loop Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine References: > As you may have noticed, there was a mail loop on the pine-info mailing list > for a while today. This was caused by a glitch during testing of the gateway > between comp.mail.pine and pine-info. The gateway is now believed to be > fixed and ready for the official creation of comp.mail.pine. And if folk see anomalies, please tell me. And if a loop starts and I do not immediately answer mail, please call +1 (503) 227-5665 and ask for me or a news admin. Thanks for your patience. randy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 21:56:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20038; Tue, 24 May 94 21:56:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23724; Tue, 24 May 94 21:49:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23718; Tue, 24 May 94 21:49:34 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 20:39 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 20:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mail loop To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: As you may have noticed, there was a mail loop on the pine-info mailing list for a while today. This was caused by a glitch during testing of the gateway between comp.mail.pine and pine-info. The gateway is now believed to be fixed and ready for the official creation of comp.mail.pine. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 11:54:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06075; Wed, 25 May 94 11:54:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07632; Wed, 25 May 94 11:33:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07626; Wed, 25 May 94 11:33:38 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA65381; Wed, 25 May 1994 13:25:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 13:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Building Pine To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, We just got a "Development System" for our SCO Unix box (System V/386 Release 3.2 running on an ALTOS 5000). I am interested in building Pine from the sources available, but don't seem to be having much luck so far. What I have is a copy of pine.tar.Z downloaded from the pine directory at washington.edu. I then uncompressed that and untarred that. When i went to run "build sco" it stops after a while with an error message. Anyone have any idea why this happens? Do I need some more files from some other directories? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Chris Fullinfaw fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (712)274-8733x1291 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 13:03:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08104; Wed, 25 May 94 13:03:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26193; Wed, 25 May 94 12:43:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26187; Wed, 25 May 94 12:43:53 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06251; Wed, 25 May 94 12:43:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 12:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Cc: pine-info Subject: Re: Building Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, There is a set of patches for Pine 3.89 available from soils.agron.iastate.edu. These have not yet been integrated into the Pine distribution. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 25 May 1994 fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us wrote: > Hi all, > > We just got a "Development System" for our SCO Unix box (System V/386 > Release 3.2 running on an ALTOS 5000). I am interested in building Pine > from the sources available, but don't seem to be having much luck so far. > What I have is a copy of pine.tar.Z downloaded from the pine directory at > washington.edu. I then uncompressed that and untarred that. When i went > to run "build sco" it stops after a while with an error message. Anyone > have any idea why this happens? Do I need some more files from some other > directories? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > Chris Fullinfaw > > fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us > > (712)274-8733x1291 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 13:16:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09282; Wed, 25 May 94 13:16:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26378; Wed, 25 May 94 12:52:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from PACS01.SUNBELT.NET by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26370; Wed, 25 May 94 12:52:08 -0700 Received: from ptech.com (NGATE.PTECH.COM) by SUNBELT.NET (PMDF V4.3-7 #4800) id <01HCRFLBX6Q80006CZ@SUNBELT.NET>; Wed, 25 May 1994 15:51:59 EST Received: by ptech.com; id AA03659; Wed, 25 May 94 15:50:59 EDT Received: by avalon.ptech.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06003; Wed, 25 May 1994 15:54:52 +0500 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Jones Subject: Variable justification In-Reply-To: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 532 When using pico as the message composer, is there a way to shorten the default line length from the 70 character limit to say 60 characters? I'm using Unix pine version 3.89. Thanks in advance... -Jason -- _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ Jason Jones - jej@ptech.com _/ _/ _/ _/ Systems Engineer _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ Piedmont Technology Group, Inc. _/ _/ _/ _/ 830 Tyvola Rd - Charlotte NC - 28217 _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ phone 704.523.2410 x130 fax 704.523.7764 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 17:10:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16921; Wed, 25 May 94 17:10:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15876; Wed, 25 May 94 16:55:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from goofus.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15870; Wed, 25 May 94 16:55:11 -0700 Received: from scsgate.UUCP by goofus.wustl.edu with UUCP id AA29755 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 25 May 1994 18:55:03 -0500 Received: from scssa.ops.scscom.COM by scsgate.stl.scscom.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0q6SAO-0001mQC; Wed, 25 May 94 18:15 CDT Subject: Adding header lines? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 18:04:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Kent Hamilton Reply-To: Kent.Hamilton@scscom.com X-Organization: SCS/Compute, Inc. X-Location: St. Louis, MO USA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 631 Message-Id: <9405251804.aa25739@scssa.ops.scscom.COM> I have some users here that are using pine and they would like to be able to add a "Return-Receipt-To:" header line to their outbound mail. Is there an easy way to do this from within Pine? Please e-mail any reply direct, as I'm not on this list. Thanks -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Kent Hamilton | Work: Kent.Hamilton@scscom.com MIS Systems Administrator | Home: Kent.Hamilton@hns.st-louis.mo.US SCS/Compute, Inc. | Bell: (314) 997-7766 ext. 3070 =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 18:05:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18225; Wed, 25 May 94 18:05:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17267; Wed, 25 May 94 17:55:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ananke.pt.hk-r.se by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17261; Wed, 25 May 94 17:55:43 -0700 Received: by ananke.pt.hk-r.se id AA20517 (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/IDA-1.4.2 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 26 May 94 02:50:50 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 02:49:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andy Eskilsson Subject: Re: Adding header lines? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9405251804.aa25739@scssa.ops.scscom.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 May 1994, Kent Hamilton wrote: > I have some users here that are using pine and they would like to be > able to add a "Return-Receipt-To:" header line to their outbound > mail. Is there an easy way to do this from within Pine? > I hope this question have a high priority, because sometimes I need to add header lines (such as x-anon-password), and I haven't found any way of doing this in "raw" pine (3.87) /andy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 19:37:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19629; Wed, 25 May 94 19:37:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05154; Wed, 25 May 94 19:28:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05148; Wed, 25 May 94 19:28:36 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18825; Wed, 25 May 94 19:28:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:28:27 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Kent.Hamilton@scscom.com, Andy Eskilsson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Adding header lines? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 May 1994, Andy Eskilsson wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 1994, Kent Hamilton wrote: > > I have some users here that are using pine and they would like to be > > able to add a "Return-Receipt-To:" header line to their outbound > > mail. Is there an easy way to do this from within Pine? > > > > I hope this question have a high priority, because sometimes I need to > add header lines (such as x-anon-password), and I haven't found any way > of doing this in "raw" pine (3.87) > > /andy > Pine 3.90 will permit both of these additional headers. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 20:33:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20246; Wed, 25 May 94 20:33:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19596; Wed, 25 May 94 20:25:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sashimi.wwa.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19590; Wed, 25 May 94 20:25:16 -0700 Received: from pshrink by sashimi.wwa.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0q6W4u-000bnEC; Wed, 25 May 94 22:25 CDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Newsgroups: list.pine-info Path: veck From: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Chelloveck) Subject: Re: Adding header lines? Distribution: local Message-Id: <1994May26.013139.6820@pshrink.chi.il.us> Reply-To: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us Organization: PShrink Wrap BBS, Wauconda IL Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 01:31:39 GMT References: <9405251804.aa25739@scssa.ops.scscom.com> Kent Hamilton publicly declared: >I have some users here that are using pine and they would like to be >able to add a "Return-Receipt-To:" header line to their outbound >mail. Is there an easy way to do this from within Pine? Likewise, I often want to add a "Reply-To:" header, and haven't found a way. Could the "Rich Headers" be expanded to include this? (Or maybe to letting the user enter arbitrary headers?) -- ------------------------------------------ "This paperclip will serve as an antenna, grabbing neutrinos from the cosmos and providing ignition for this craft." "Astonishing, Brain! Um, will it also roast marshmallows?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 08:40:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00506; Thu, 26 May 94 08:40:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00291; Thu, 26 May 94 08:13:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from papaya.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00285; Thu, 26 May 94 08:13:28 -0700 Received: by papaya.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA12683; Thu, 26 May 94 10:10:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:10:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "g.h.chinoy" Subject: is there a ctrl-key for quoting? To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, all, I was wondering if there was a way to mark a section of text and have it quoted (i.e. have ">"s placed at the first of every line) similar to the ctrl-j, justify and unjustify? Sincerely, Hussain ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NeXTstep, Washington University in St. Louis baby hussain@artsci.wustl.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:19:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03921; Thu, 26 May 94 10:19:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02956; Thu, 26 May 94 10:01:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02950; Thu, 26 May 94 10:01:40 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00447; Thu, 26 May 94 10:01:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: nsp@world.std.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.EDU Subject: Re: faq - sending attachments In-Reply-To: <9405110751.AA01348@nukestep.mit.edu> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are currently working on an FAQ and plan to post it with the Pine 3.90 release (some of the answers are 3.90-specific...) Pine automatically detects a few Content-Types, including application/postscript. All other attachments are labelled application/octet-stream. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Gregory B Howland wrote: > > Is there an FAQ for this mailing list? > > I am trying to get info on how to change the Content-Type in > the message that I am sending. I want to include two file > attachments, one is a postscript file the other is an rtf file. > How do change the Content-Type to application/postscript? And > what is the correct Content-Type for rtf files? > > > Thanks, > Greg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:20:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03968; Thu, 26 May 94 10:20:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19967; Thu, 26 May 94 10:06:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19961; Thu, 26 May 94 10:06:06 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00542; Thu, 26 May 94 10:05:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Francis Ho Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Inbox In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From the upcoming FAQ: How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? You have several options: 1. Leave inbox in /usr/spool/mail, but turn on the Pine option to prompt users to move read messages to a folder in their home directory upon exiting Pine. 2. Modify your mail delivery program to deliver mail directly into the user's home directory, and specify that inbox-path in your global pine.conf (See the "tmail" program on ftp.cac.washington.edu for an example.) 3. "touch mail.TxT" in each home directory, which will cause Pine (upon startup) to pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mail.TxT -- however, mail.TxT will be a Tenex-format, rather than Berkeley mail format folder (faster, but non-standard). 4. Link in the "mbox" driver when you build Pine. This driver will (upon Pine startup) pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mbox, which will be a Bky-format folder. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Francis Ho wrote: > > I'm running solaris2.3 on a spar10. I'm using pine3.89. I'm trying > to default users' incoming mails to their home directory ie > /home/username instead of /var/mail/username > > Must I change something in pine or in my sendmail or my MAIL setting? > > Could some unix gurus out there please help?? Thanks!! > > > > > francis@moe.ac.sg > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:28:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04246; Thu, 26 May 94 10:28:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20206; Thu, 26 May 94 10:16:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20200; Thu, 26 May 94 10:16:25 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00796; Thu, 26 May 94 10:16:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Manual Check for mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From the upcoming FAQ (thanks for the question, Bruce): When mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it. Is it possible to have a command which allows the user to do a manual check in such cases? There are currently two ways to force a new mail check. o At the last message in a folder, press 'N' 4-5 times. o Press `^L' (Refresh Display). --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > Presently, when mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine > doesn't know about it, and I can't force it to, until it does its > periodic check for mail. Is it possible to have a command which allows > the user to do a manual check in such cases? It really does drive me a > little batty, knowing that I have mail, but can't read it because I have > to wait for the scheduled mail checker to inform my process that it is there. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:42:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04730; Thu, 26 May 94 10:42:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03627; Thu, 26 May 94 10:26:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03621; Thu, 26 May 94 10:26:28 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 09:59 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 09:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: error message To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even realize they are using MIME... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 26 May 1994, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: > I'm sorry, I just saw this new group added, and I was wondering > if Pine can decode MIME encoded messages. > > Thanks, > Toshi > tt@wag.caltech.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:57:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05401; Thu, 26 May 94 10:57:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20886; Thu, 26 May 94 10:45:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20880; Thu, 26 May 94 10:45:39 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01284; Thu, 26 May 94 10:45:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Richard C. Gaine" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: the index in pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 May 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > Hello, > I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few > complaints from some of my users that I need help with. > > 1. At times the index does not display any information about the > message. It'll say something like, "No message text available." Can > someone help me with this? > This happens when there is an internal "From " header, but no message to go with it. There are various reasons for this, most of them outside of Pine. > 2. When messages are sent from pine the date is wrong. It is something > like back in 1970. What would cause this? How can I correct the > problem? The date is properly set on the machine and standard mail and > elm seem to work fine. > This may be a problem in the rfc822_date() function in c-client (imap/non-ANSI/os_sv4.c) but we do not have any Esix systems available. Can anyone confirm/deny/fix this problem? > 3. Esix is not running sendmail, so I am using a NetBSD 0.9 system as a > mail server. At times when users send mail it says, "Mail not sent. SMTP > connection went away." This doesn't happin a lot, and out LAN is fine. > What could be the problem with this? > This happens when the SMTP connection goes away for some reason outside of Pine's control.... > Well, the only way to end this message is HELP!! > > Thanks for any help. > > Rick Gaine > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:14:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06150; Thu, 26 May 94 11:14:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21326; Thu, 26 May 94 11:02:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21320; Thu, 26 May 94 11:02:16 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01786; Thu, 26 May 94 11:02:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Christer Ekholm Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: some configuration questions/suggestions In-Reply-To: <199405170117.DAA05991@father.ludd.luth.se> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In your .pinerc file you could set, e.g. feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs initial-keystroke-list=UP,UP --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 17 May 1994, Christer Ekholm wrote: > * Is it possible to configure the default answer to the > "Save the 1 read message" question? > > * Is it possible to configure what line is inversed in main menu at > startup? > > If the answer to the questions abowe is no, think of them as > suggestions. Personly I think that nothing can be too configurable. > > > > Christer Ekholm # che@ludd.luth.se # > Lulea University Computer Society (Ludd),Sweden # ---------------- # > > PS > Excuse my misplaced subscribe-message. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:20:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06323; Thu, 26 May 94 11:20:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04806; Thu, 26 May 94 11:06:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04800; Thu, 26 May 94 11:06:49 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01866; Thu, 26 May 94 11:06:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Chris Unger Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Sort by To: Field In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorting by "To:" is not yet implemented, but it is on the list. Delivery to specific folders is currently outside the scope of Pine. Check out the filter, deliver, or procmail programs. [Does anyone know of a good overview of filters and filtering?] --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 17 May 1994, Chris Unger wrote: > > Nobody responded from the first message I sent about having Pine > sort the "to:" field when starting pine. I think this would be helpful > for those of use who belong to 2 or 3 mailing lists. That way each list > would be sorted in alpha order. > Or is there a way to send incoming mail to a specific folder? > (ex: Pine Mailing list to "pine" folder; Emacs list to "emacs" folder etc??) > > > /********************************SBK**************************************\ > |** Chris Unger MicroComputer Specialist **| > |** unge1845@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Computer Services Room 112b **| > S** cunger@nyx.cs.du.edu Kutztown University, PA **S > B** **B > K** Anyone can win, **K > |** unless of course there happens Finger unge1845 for Hours **| > |** to be a second contestant. and Phone Numbers **| > \********************************SBK**************************************/ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:26:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06497; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05060; Thu, 26 May 94 11:16:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05054; Thu, 26 May 94 11:16:29 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02171; Thu, 26 May 94 11:16:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Cc: Pine List Subject: Re: "Illegal" characters. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There are several known problems relating to allowable characters in folder names and order of message presentation. Some, but perhaps not all of these will be addressed in Pine 3.90. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 21 May 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > Greets: > > I am running PINE 3.89 compiled on a Sun Sparc running 4.1.x and am > awaiting release of 3.90 sometime soon so I can fix up all the little > things I didn't change (compilation defualts) before announcing that we > now have PINE available online for our users ... but I have one little > question: > > I have created a folder which I call "for sale." In it I keep, not > surprisingly, items that are for sale. Now, whenever I enter this > folder, after a short interval PINE tells me that: > "[Character '' after 'for' not allowed in folder name]" > which is obviously false as I have no troubles whatsoever accessing this > directory. I was just curious as to why the functionality exists for > this popup message. > > +====================================+=====================================+ > | Christopher Curtis : Florida Institute of Technology | > | Sun Lab System Administrator : Melbourne, Florida | > | E-Mail/MIME/finger : ccurtis@ee.fit.edu | > +====================================+=====================================+ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:36:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06867; Thu, 26 May 94 11:36:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05132; Thu, 26 May 94 11:20:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05126; Thu, 26 May 94 11:20:03 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02253; Thu, 26 May 94 11:19:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Paul Southworth Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: AIX screwyness & pine 3.89 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1515751982-769976399=:29748" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1515751982-769976399=:29748 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Paul, Have you tried the pre-compiled AIX 3.2 binaries from ftp.cac.washington.edu (mail/unix-bin directory)? The IBM compiler on _some_ AIX systems has some obscure problems and we do not have any experience with GCC on AIX... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 21 May 1994, Paul Southworth wrote: > Someone must have gone through this before... > > Building pine 3.89 under AIX 3.2 (version is something prior to 3.2.4, > exactly what it is is rather hard to tell) I experienced the following > problems: > > 1. If built with IBM's "cc" it seg faults and core dumps whenever ordered > to send a message (^X). > > 2. If built with GCC 2.5.8 it builds fine and will send mail, but gets > badly confused about expanding paths. For example, it can't find the > sent-mail folder (even if it exists) and asks if I want to create > a new one. Then it chokes when creating it. It creates it properly > the first time, but for ever subsequent message it thinks the sent-mail > folder doesn't exist, asks if you want to create it, and then > complains that it exists and bails out of creating it, without > sending the message. > > With debug level set to 7, it looks like this: > > === send called === > new win size -----<24 80>------ > cannonized To "Paul Southworth " > find_folders_in_context: mail/[] > ====== context_mailbox: (mail/sent-mail) > Want_to read: y (121) > IMAP 10:17 5/21 mm_log ERROR: Can't create mailbox mail/sent-mail: > mailbox already exists > > Corollary of this is that it's also confused about where the folders > live. For example, if you look in the Folder List it looks like this: > > INBOX mail/. mail/.. mail/saved-messages mail/sent-mail > > instead of: > > INBOX saved-messages sent-mail > > Consequently if I try to open the sent-mail directory it says: > > [No such file or directory: mail/mail/sent-mail] > > Furthermore if I try to trick it into looking in the right place by > defining: > > mail-directory=~/mail > > It expands that wrong and says: > > Creating subdirectory "/u/pauls//u/pauls/mail" where pine will store > its mail folders. > Error creating subdirectory "/u/pauls//u/pauls/mail" : No such file or > directory > > Any solutions would be much appreciated. Attachment to this is > a .pine-debug output from debug level 7. > > -- > Paul Southworth > CICNet Systems Support > pauls@cic.net --0-1515751982-769976399=:29748 Content-Type: APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM; NAME=debug Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Pine Debug Output @ Level 7 RGVidWcgb3V0cHV0IG9mIHRoZSBQaW5lIHByb2dyYW0gKGF0IGRlYnVnIGxl dmVsIDcpLiAgVmVyc2lvbiAzLjg5ClNhdCBNYXkgMjEgMTA6MjY6MDUgMTk5 NAoKcmVhZGluZ19waW5lcmMgIi91c3IvbG9jYWwvbGliL3BpbmUuY29uZiIK UmVhZCA3NzgzIGNoYXJhY3RlcnMKcGluZXJjIDogL3Vzci9sb2NhbC9sIDog ICBmb2xkZXItY29sbGVjdGlvbnMgOiAibWFpbC9bXSIKcGluZXJjIDogL3Vz ci9sb2NhbC9sIDogICAgICAgICAgZGVmYXVsdC1mY2MgOiAiIgpwaW5lcmMg OiAvdXNyL2xvY2FsL2wgOiBsYXN0LXRpbWUtcHJ1bmUtcXVlcyA6ICIiCnBp bmVyYyA6IC91c3IvbG9jYWwvbCA6ICAgIGxhc3QtdmVyc2lvbi11c2VkIDog IiIKcmVhZGluZ19waW5lcmMgIi91L3BhdWxzLy5waW5lcmMiClJlYWQgNzc3 NCBjaGFyYWN0ZXJzCnBpbmVyYyA6IC91L3BhdWxzLy5waSA6IGxhc3QtdGlt ZS1wcnVuZS1xdWVzIDogIjk0LjUiCnBpbmVyYyA6IC91L3BhdWxzLy5waSA6 ICAgIGxhc3QtdmVyc2lvbi11c2VkIDogIjMuODkiCiAgICBwZXJzb25hbC1u YW1lIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAg ICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4KICAgICAgICAgIHVzZXItaWQgOiAgICAgICAg ICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVu c2V0PgogICAgICB1c2VyLWRvbWFpbiA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAg ICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CiAgICAgIHNt dHAtc2VydmVyIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVu c2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4KICAgICAgIGluYm94LXBhdGggOiAg ICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICAgIGluYm94ICAgICAgICAg ICAgICBpbmJveAogaW5jb21pbmctZm9sZGVycyA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVu c2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CmZv bGRlci1jb2xsZWN0aW9uIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAg ICAgbWFpbC9bXSAgICAgICAgICAgIG1haWwvW10KIG5ld3MtY29sbGVjdGlv bnMgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAg ICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PgogICAgICBkZWZhdWx0LWZjYyA6ICAgICAgICAg ICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgCiAgIG1haWwtZGlyZWN0b3J5IDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgbWFpbCAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIG1haWwKcmVhZC1tZXNz YWdlLWZvbGQgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5z ZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PgogICBzaWduYXR1cmUtZmlsZSA6ICAg ICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgIC5zaWduYXR1cmUgICAgICAgICAu c2lnbmF0dXJlCiAgICAgYWRkcmVzcy1ib29rIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5z ZXQ+ICAgICAgIC5hZGRyZXNzYm9vayAgICAgICAuYWRkcmVzc2Jvb2sKICAg ICBmZWF0dXJlLWxpc3QgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAg ICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0Pgppbml0aWFsLWtleXN0cm9r ZSA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAg ICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CnNhdmVkLW1zZy1uYW1lLXJ1IDogICAgICAgICAg ICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICBkZWZhdWx0LWZvbGRlciAgICAgZGVmYXVsdC1mb2xk ZXIKICAgICAgICAgc29ydC1rZXkgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAg ICAgICAgICBhcnJpdmFsICAgICAgICAgICAgYXJyaXZhbAogICAgY2hhcmFj dGVyLXNldCA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNl dD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CiAgICAgICAgICAgZWRpdG9yIDogICAg ICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAg IDx1bnNldD4KICAgICBpbWFnZS12aWV3ZXIgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNl dD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0Pgp1c2Ut b25seS1kb21haW4tbiA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgbm8gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIG5vCiAgICAgICAgICBwcmludGVy IDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgYXR0YWNoZWQtdG8tYW5zaSAgIGF0 dGFjaGVkLXRvLWFuc2kKcGVyc29uYWwtcHJpbnQtY28gOiAgICAgICAgICAg IDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0 Pgogc3RhbmRhcmQtcHJpbnRlciA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICBscHIgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbHByCmxhc3QtdGltZS1w cnVuZS1xIDogICAgICAgICAgICAgICA5NC41ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0 PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIDk0LjUKbGFzdC12ZXJzaW9uLXVzZWQgOiAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgIDMuODkgICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgMy44OQogICAgYnVncy1uaWNrbmFtZSA6ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0 PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+CiAgICBi dWdzLWZ1bGxuYW1lIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAg PHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4KICAgICBidWdzLWFkZHJlc3Mg OiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAg ICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PgogICBlbG0tc3R5bGUtc2F2ZSA6ICAgICAgICAgICAg PHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm8gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIG5v CiAgaGVhZGVyLWluLXJlcGx5IDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICBubyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm8KICAgIGZlYXR1cmUt bGV2ZWwgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICBzYXBsaW5n ICAgICAgICAgICAgc2FwbGluZwogIG9sZC1zdHlsZS1yZXBseSA6ICAgICAg ICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm8gICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgIG5vCiAgICAgY29tcG9zZS1taW1lIDogICAgICAgICAgICA8dW5zZXQ+ ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4Kc2hvdy1h bGwtY2hhcmFjdGUgOiAgICAgICAgICAgIDx1bnNldD4gICAgICAgICAgICA8 dW5zZXQ+ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PgogICBzYXZlLWJ5LXNlbmRlciA6 ICAgICAgICAgICAgPHVuc2V0PiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm8gICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgIG5vClVzZXJpZDogcGF1bHMKRnVsbG5hbWU6ICJQYXVsIFNv dXRod29ydGgiClVzZXIgZG9tYWluIG5hbWUgYmVpbmcgdXNlZCAiIgpMb2Nh bCBEb21haW4gbmFtZSBiZWluZyB1c2VkICJzdGF0ZS5pbC51cyIKSG9zdCBu YW1lIGJlaW5nIHVzZWQgImlzYmUuc3RhdGUuaWwudXMiCk1haWwgRG9tYWlu IG5hbWUgYmVpbmcgdXNlZCAiaXNiZS5zdGF0ZS5pbC51cyIKbmV3IHdpbiBz aXplIC0tLS0tPDI0IDgwPi0tLS0tLQpUZXJtaW5hbCB0eXBlOiB4dGVybQpT Y3JvbGwgbW9kZTogU2Nyb2xsIFJlZ2lvbnMKQ29udGV4dCBtYWlsL1tdIHR5 cGU6IExPQ0FMCkFib3V0IHRvIG9wZW4gZm9sZGVyICJJTkJPWCIgICAgaW5i b3g6ICJJTkJPWCIKPT09IG1tX2V4aXN0cygzLC91c3Ivc3Bvb2wvbWFpbC9w YXVscykgY2FsbGVkID09PQpPcGVuZWQgZm9sZGVyICIvdXNyL3Nwb29sL21h aWwvcGF1bHMiIHdpdGggMyBtZXNzYWdlcwpTb3J0aW5nIGJ5IGFycml2YWwK Rmlyc3QgdW5zZWVuIHJldHVybmluZyAzCj09PT0gZXhwaXJlX21haWwgY2Fs bGVkID09PT0KCgogICAgLS0tLSBNQUlOX01FTlVfU0NSRUVOIC0tLS0KTWFp bF9QaW5nKG1haWxfc3RyZWFtKTogU2F0IE1heSAyMSAxMDoyNjowNiAxOTk0 CgpOZXcgbWFpbCBjaGVja2VkIApQaW5nIGNvbXBsZXRlOiBTYXQgTWF5IDIx IDEwOjI2OjA2IDE5OTQKCioqKioqKioqIG5ldyBtYWlsIHJldHVybmluZyAt MSAgKioqKioqKioKCgogLS0tLSBNQUlMIElOREVYIC0tLS0KCiAtIHByb2Nl c3NfY21kKCgxMykNKSAtCgoKICAtLS0tLSAgTUFJTCBWSUVXICAtLS0tLQoq KioqKioqKiBuZXcgbWFpbCByZXR1cm5pbmcgLTEgICoqKioqKioqCgogLSBw cm9jZXNzX2NtZCgoMTA5KW0pIC0KTUFJTF9DTUQ6IGdvaW5nIGJhY2sgdG8g bWFpbiBtZW51UFJPQ0VTU19DTUQgcmV0dXJuOiAwCgoKICAgIC0tLS0gTUFJ Tl9NRU5VX1NDUkVFTiAtLS0tCj09PSBmb2xkZXJfc2NyZWVuIGNhbGxlZCA9 PT09CgoKICAgIC0tLS0gRk9MREVSIFNDUkVFTiAtLS0tCmZpbmRfZm9sZGVy c19pbl9jb250ZXh0OiBtYWlsL1tdCj09PT09PSBjb250ZXh0X21haWxib3g6 IChtYWlsLy4pCj09PT09PSBjb250ZXh0X21haWxib3g6IChtYWlsLy4uKQo9 PT09PT0gY29udGV4dF9tYWlsYm94OiAobWFpbC9zYXZlZC1tZXNzYWdlcykK PT09PT09IGNvbnRleHRfbWFpbGJveDogKG1haWwvc2VudC1tYWlsKQpmb2xk ZXIgY29tbWFuZDogMSAoMzA1KQpmb2xkZXIgY29tbWFuZDogDSAoMTMpCkFi b3V0IHRvIG9wZW4gZm9sZGVyICJtYWlsL3NlbnQtbWFpbCIgICAgaW5ib3g6 ICJJTkJPWCIKQ2xvc2UgLSBzYXZlZCBpbmJveCBzdGF0ZTogcmVhbCAzLCBt YXggMwpJTUFQIDEwOjI2IDUvMjEgbW1fbG9nIEVSUk9SOiBObyBzdWNoIGZp bGUgb3IgZGlyZWN0b3J5OiBtYWlsL21haWwvc2VudC1tYWlsCmZvbGRlciBj b21tYW5kOiAAICgwKQpmb2xkZXIgY29tbWFuZDogcSAoMTEzKQoKCiAgICAt LS0tIFFVSVQgU0NSRUVOIC0tLS0KV2FudF90byByZWFkOiBSRVRVUk4gKDEz KQpleHB1bmdlIGFuZCBjbG9zZSBtYWlsIHN0cmVhbSAiL3Vzci9zcG9vbC9t YWlsL3BhdWxzIgphYm91dCB0byBlbmRfdHR5X2RyaXZlcgo= --0-1515751982-769976399=:29748-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:42:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07124; Thu, 26 May 94 11:42:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05284; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05278; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26:51 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02341; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Dale Peakall Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Interfacing with MMDF and MH In-Reply-To: <9405221758.AA08265@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The dummydriver is the catch-all, so all other drivers need to be linked before it. However, the MH driver in the pine 3.89 distribution is very incomplete. The current IMAP Toolkit (mail/imap.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) includes a complete MH driver. The new driver will be active by default in Pine 3.90 (due before summer). |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 22 May 1994, Dale Peakall wrote: > I want to run Pine on my site at University. However, the sys admins > have no intention of suppoerting /usr/spool/mail as we run MMDF over > multiple machines which are all NFS mounted. > > The default mailer we use is MH, and the system is set-up to put mail > files into individual files within sub-directories which act as MH > folders (in MH format). > > I've looked at the source of the pine c-client library and have seen > MMDF drivers, and MH drivers. I modified the makefile for the > c-client library to make it compile these files, and added the calls > to make_link in pine.c (just after the link to dummy) and compiled > pine as well: > > make_link((DRIVER *)&mhdriver) > make_link((DRIVER *)&mmdfdriver) > > However, this still doesn't allow me to access my MH mailbox with > pine. Am I striving towards the impossible, or am I just going about > it completely the wrong way? > > Dale Peakall. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:45:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07296; Thu, 26 May 94 11:45:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05346; Thu, 26 May 94 11:29:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05340; Thu, 26 May 94 11:29:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:13 PDT From: hblin001@huey.csun.edu (Dave Sperling) Date: 26 May 1994 17:49:07 GMT Subject: attached file To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2nej$m9k@nic-nac.CSU.net> I have been having great success attaching files to Pine and sending my friends on Pine software, binaries, and sound. Question: Is it possible to attach a file to those not using Pine? Thanks! Dave sperling@kaiwan.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:47:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07427; Thu, 26 May 94 11:47:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05358; Thu, 26 May 94 11:29:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05352; Thu, 26 May 94 11:29:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:14 PDT From: ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu (Juan M. Gonzalez) Date: 26 May 1994 17:18:36 GMT Subject: Aliases To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2llc$noq@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> How do I set up aliases with pine? I tried looking in the .pinerc, but could not pinpoint any area to change. any help is appreciated! -- ujmg88pf@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu/faithnmore@aol.com/ew502@cleveland.freenet.edu JOIN THE FAITH NO MORE AND/OR MR. BUNGLE FAN CLUBS: EMAIL ME FOR DETAILS!! Power Mac,c64,Duo,Jaguar,Lynx,2600. Got them all. 3d0=who the hell wants it? Project of the Week: Elect Mike Patton for President!! Patton 96! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:51:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07715; Thu, 26 May 94 11:51:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05632; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05625; Thu, 26 May 94 11:38:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:22 PDT From: korthuiv@ucs.orst.edu ( ) Date: 26 May 1994 16:28:15 GMT Subject: Help To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2imv$nkd@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Hi I would like to know if there is a version of PINE for IRIX workstations and if it exists, where can I ftp it from? Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:52:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07760; Thu, 26 May 94 11:52:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05648; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05642; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:03 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:25 PDT From: n9246286@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Am-mit) Date: 26 May 94 17:20:56 GMT Subject: changing default editor To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? (i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:53:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07812; Thu, 26 May 94 11:53:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05656; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05650; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:06 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26 PDT From: michael_munoz@smtp.esl.com (Michael D. Munoz) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 09:15:54 -0800 Subject: First To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I'm not sure what area is for , just wanted to first, gooooood moooooornig everyone! -- *Things are not always as they seem, even if they are.* *Live Long And prosper* * May The Force Be With You* * These opinions are mine, and mine alone!* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:54:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07883; Thu, 26 May 94 11:54:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05640; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05634; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:22 PDT From: mcnally@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Mike McNally) Date: 26 May 1994 17:56:44 GMT Subject: Fully integrated MIME support? (was Re: error message) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2nss$l5p@zip.eecs.umich.edu> In article , David L Miller wrote: > >Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even >realize they are using MIME... Care to elaborate on what "fully integrated MIME support" means in this case? I know that Pine can seperate/display at least some types of MIME enclosures (for example image/gif and maybe audio/basic) but was wondering if "fully integrated MIME support" meant that recent versions of Pine have the ability to handle more complex / less common types of MIME enclosures. If so, does the user have the ability to tell Pine how to handle different enclosure types (as with metamail and MIME extended mh?) or is Pine's MIME support limited to well-known types and display behaviors set at compile time? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 12:16:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08633; Thu, 26 May 94 12:16:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06343; Thu, 26 May 94 12:03:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06335; Thu, 26 May 94 12:03:05 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:57 PDT From: switenky@jester.usask.ca (Shawn Elliot Switenky) Date: 26 May 1994 18:00:57 GMT Subject: Automatic New Mail Handling To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2o4p$rd3@tribune.usask.ca> I've looked around a bit in the .pinerc file (Unix Pine) in which there was a few lines that made me belive Pine can automagically sort incoming mail into a folder. If I want to have all the mail coming from a particular person to be automatically placed in a folder, how would I do this? -- + Shawn Switenky --------------+ email: Shawn.Switenky@USask.CA ---+ ///| User Support | Phone: (306) 966-4983 | /// | Computing Services | Fax: (306) 966-4938 | \\\/// + University of Saskatchewan --+ ICBM: N52 07'53.1" W106 37' 57.9" + \XX/ | Just when you think you have the universe figured out | +------------ along comes a chain smoking chimpanzee. -------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 12:51:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09583; Thu, 26 May 94 12:51:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23772; Thu, 26 May 94 12:39:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comp.uark.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23766; Thu, 26 May 94 12:39:26 -0700 Received: (from rlee@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA15605; Thu, 26 May 1994 14:35:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 14:35:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: changing default editor To: Am-mit Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This ought to go into the FAQ that's being written. I think the answer is you can't, but you can make vi your alternate editor and can manually switch to that each time you enter the composer. On 26 May 1994, Am-mit wrote: > Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? > (i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). > > > -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy / Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas voice: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 fax: 501-575-2642 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 12:57:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09763; Thu, 26 May 94 12:57:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07364; Thu, 26 May 94 12:43:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07358; Thu, 26 May 94 12:43:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 12:29 PDT From: blewis@alw.nih.gov (barbara lewis) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 17:48:04 GMT Subject: need ref. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <1994May26.174804.12824@alw.nih.gov> Are there any good resources for use of "pine" available at an ftp site, man pages are okay but.... :-) Barb -- A breeze in the pines and the sun and bright moonlight, Lazing in the sunshine yes indeed... Sugar Magnolia [Weir/Hunter] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 12:57:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09789; Thu, 26 May 94 12:57:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07449; Thu, 26 May 94 12:46:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07443; Thu, 26 May 94 12:46:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 12:38 PDT From: cip524@wpax01.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Stephan Weismann) Date: 26 May 1994 18:31:55 GMT Subject: Re: Aliases To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2pur$7s@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Juan M. Gonzalez (ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu) wrote: : How do I set up aliases with pine? I tried looking in the .pinerc, but could : not pinpoint any area to change. any help is appreciated! Sorry, i dont realy understand, what you mean by 'set up aliases'. To create or change aliases you have to go in the Main Menue , then choose 'A' for adress Book, then you can change or expand your aliases. If you want to change you aliases directly in the file, you have to edit the file .adressbook in you homedir. Hope it may help you, Greetings, Stefan. Please excuse my terrible english, --************************************************************************** ___MMM____ __/ / ___/ / / ____/ ___/ / |o-o| __/ / / /____ / / ___/ / | V | __/ __/ ____/ __/ __/ __/ ____/ ______/ /----oO0-----0Oo-----------------------------------------------------------\ | Call me: | | | | "If anything can go wrong, it will"| | cip524@cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de | ( $1, Murphy's Law ) | | | | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ **************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:26:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11473; Thu, 26 May 94 13:26:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08346; Thu, 26 May 94 13:15:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08340; Thu, 26 May 94 13:15:24 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 13:08 PDT From: charlesc@mi.engin.umich.edu (Charles Chan) Date: 26 May 1994 19:00:56 GMT Subject: Change the '>' To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2rl8INNhaq@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Hi, I would like to know how to change the '>' sign in "R"eply to something else. Also, is there a FAQ for pine? Thanx. cc -- Charles QC Chan E-mail: charlesc@umich.edu Undergraduate Computer Engineering University of Michigan, Ann Arbor From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:27:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11506; Thu, 26 May 94 13:27:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08338; Thu, 26 May 94 13:15:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08332; Thu, 26 May 94 13:15:21 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 13:08 PDT From: Ian_MacPhedran@engr.usask.ca (Ian MacPhedran) Date: 26 May 1994 18:55:13 GMT Subject: Re: Fully integrated MIME support? (was Re: error message) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2rah$ssb@tribune.usask.ca> Mike McNally (mcnally@quip.eecs.umich.edu) wrote: : In article , : David L Miller wrote: : > : >Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even : >realize they are using MIME... : Care to elaborate on what "fully integrated MIME support" means in this : case? I was going to ask something similar. I presume that this means that the MIME capabilities are built into pine, and it does not (can not?) use an external MIME conversion program like "metamail", as the elm (is that a bad word on this group? :-) mailer does. : If so, does the user have the ability to tell Pine how to handle : different enclosure types (as with metamail and MIME extended mh?) : or is Pine's MIME support limited to well-known types and display : behaviors set at compile time? Only a few types are supported. Once pipes are supported, (maybe they are now, I am not running the most current version) you can pipe the MIME messages to a MIME interpretor, such as metamail. Ian. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian MacPhedran, Engineering Computer Centre, University of Saskatchewan. 2B13 Engineering Building, U. of S. Campus, Saskatoon, Sask., CANADA S7N 0W0 Phone: (306)966-4832 Fax: (306)966-8710 Email: Ian_MacPhedran@engr.USask.CA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:34:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11727; Thu, 26 May 94 13:34:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08561; Thu, 26 May 94 13:24:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08553; Thu, 26 May 94 13:24:09 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05543; Thu, 26 May 94 13:24:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Mike McNally Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Fully integrated MIME support? (was Re: error message) In-Reply-To: <2s2nss$l5p@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, As you suggest "fully integrated" and "complete" are two different things... For handling more MIME types on incoming mail, in 3.90 you will see mailcap support, which will allow activating external processors for types Pine doesn't have internal support for. On our short list is dealing with the input file typing problem for outgoing mail... probably via something like Mosaic's mimetypes file. We have some concerns about the robustness of this strategy, but I personally see little alternative. Can't promise this part will make into 3.90, but we definitely consider it a high priority. -teg On 26 May 1994, Mike McNally wrote: > In article , > David L Miller wrote: > > > >Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even > >realize they are using MIME... > > Care to elaborate on what "fully integrated MIME support" means in this > case? I know that Pine can seperate/display at least some types of > MIME enclosures (for example image/gif and maybe audio/basic) but was > wondering if "fully integrated MIME support" meant that recent versions > of Pine have the ability to handle more complex / less common types of > MIME enclosures. > > If so, does the user have the ability to tell Pine how to handle > different enclosure types (as with metamail and MIME extended mh?) > or is Pine's MIME support limited to well-known types and display > behaviors set at compile time? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:44:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12119; Thu, 26 May 94 13:44:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08767; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08761; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:22 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q6m5H-0001FlC; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA21458; Thu, 26 May 1994 13:08:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Time stamps in SVR4 versions To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > On Thu, 12 May 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few > > complaints from some of my users that I need help with. > > > > 2. When messages are sent from pine the date is wrong. It is something > > like back in 1970. What would cause this? How can I correct the > > problem? The date is properly set on the machine and standard mail and > > elm seem to work fine. > > > > This may be a problem in the rfc822_date() function in c-client > (imap/non-ANSI/os_sv4.c) but we do not have any Esix systems available. Can > anyone confirm/deny/fix this problem? > Using the DG/UX v5.4.2 and the SV4 build, all is fine with dates on messages. I don't think it's a problem there. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:45:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12159; Thu, 26 May 94 13:45:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08784; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08778; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:30 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q6m5L-0009VbC; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA23478; Thu, 26 May 1994 13:25:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: changing default editor To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 26 May 1994, Am-mit wrote: > Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? > (i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). This is something WE would like to have possible as well, since WYSE terminals and the editing choices in pine don't get along as well as they could (^U, ^K for example) B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:45:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12161; Thu, 26 May 94 13:45:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08776; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08770; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:25 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q6m5K-0001TSC; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA21954; Thu, 26 May 1994 13:11:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Aliases To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s2llc$noq@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 26 May 1994, Juan M. Gonzalez wrote: > How do I set up aliases with pine? I tried looking in the .pinerc, but could > not pinpoint any area to change. any help is appreciated! In the ADDRESSBOOK option from the main menu. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:56:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12501; Thu, 26 May 94 13:56:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09254; Thu, 26 May 94 13:46:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09238; Thu, 26 May 94 13:46:11 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 13:35 PDT From: emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) Date: 26 May 1994 19:22:39 GMT Subject: Re: Automatic New Mail Handling To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2su0$nqn@nigel.msen.com> Shawn Elliot Switenky (switenky@jester.usask.ca) wrote: : I've looked around a bit in the .pinerc file (Unix Pine) in which there was : a few lines that made me belive Pine can automagically sort incoming mail : into a folder. If I want to have all the mail coming from a particular : person to be automatically placed in a folder, how would I do this? I've used 'procmail' to do the automatic sorting, which appears to work reasonably well modulo the absence of a user interface. Last conversation I had with the pine folks suggested that they were looking to incorporate the similar sort of features (a la procmail or elm filter or some such) into the system, and that the big headache was putting together a user interface that was expressive enough to solve the problems yet simple enough to use. As an e.g. here is the Chameleon 'Mail rules' setup. You get a list of rules to add to; here's a representation of their user interface Rule name: ____________ > add < String to match: ________ > modify < ( ) Match case > delete < Field: ( ) From ( ) To ( ) Subject > new < Action: ( ) Move to folder [lists] > help < ( ) Forward > close < ( ) Delete Rules: > activate < rule1 rule2 To translate this into something familar for pine it might look like a folder list or something. Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com Msen Inc., 320 Miller, Ann Arbor MI 48103 +1 313 998 4562 (fax: 998 4563) msen info addresses: info@msen.com - $20/mo public access Internet occ-info@msen.com - Online Career Center jobs database From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 14:27:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13592; Thu, 26 May 94 14:27:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10116; Thu, 26 May 94 14:14:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10110; Thu, 26 May 94 14:14:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 13:58 PDT From: xxviper@med.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Date: 26 May 1994 19:43:56 GMT Subject: Re: Automatic New Mail Handling To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2u5s$epa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> In article <2s2su0$nqn@nigel.msen.com> emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >Shawn Elliot Switenky (switenky@jester.usask.ca) wrote: >: I've looked around a bit in the .pinerc file (Unix Pine) in which there was >: a few lines that made me belive Pine can automagically sort incoming mail >: into a folder. If I want to have all the mail coming from a particular >: person to be automatically placed in a folder, how would I do this? > >I've used 'procmail' to do the automatic sorting, which appears to work >reasonably well modulo the absence of a user interface. > >Last conversation I had with the pine folks suggested that they were >looking to incorporate the similar sort of features (a la procmail or >elm filter or some such) into the system, and that the big headache was >putting together a user interface that was expressive enough to solve >the problems yet simple enough to use. > >As an e.g. here is the Chameleon 'Mail rules' setup. You get >a list of rules to add to; here's a representation of their >user interface > All I did to get mail filtering was to install and take the filter program from the elm mail system, and use that. All my mail is forwarded to the filter program, which places it into a particular file depending on a file called "filter-rules". These rules are simple and easy to follow as well: Example: if (to contains "Cabletron") then save "~/mail/CABLETRON" if (from contains "postmaster") then save "/dev/null" Thats all there is to the rules files. It was simple and really easy to get working, so you might try that if you can't get anything else working. -- ==================================================================== Chris Herringshaw Network Systems Specialist xxviper@med.umich.edu Office of the UMMC Information Technology & Networking University of Michigan Medical Center, B1911 CFOB 1414 Catherine Street, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0704 (313) 747-2778 ==================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 14:51:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14605; Thu, 26 May 94 14:51:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10950; Thu, 26 May 94 14:39:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10942; Thu, 26 May 94 14:39:56 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:27 PDT From: abacus!misha@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Misha Glouberman) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 19:49:55 GMT Subject: Print to attached-to-ansi in iScreen? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I get my mail by dialing into a unix host with my pc and running pine. I love that pine can print mail to my pc printer, but most of the time I run pine inside the iScreen windows manager, which stops this function from working. Anyone know of a workaround that'll let me send stuff to attached-to-ansi in iScreen? -- Misha Glouberman misha@abacus.concordia.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 14:51:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14634; Thu, 26 May 94 14:51:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26758; Thu, 26 May 94 14:36:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26752; Thu, 26 May 94 14:36:15 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07573; Thu, 26 May 94 14:36:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 14:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 May 1994, Alan Ward wrote: > I am sure that the Pine team (and therefore U of W) benefit from the > larger sample of user feedback (and therefore make a better Pine) but > at some cost. I am sure that the knowledgeable users around the world > feed in ideas and even code. And, as we all know, doing good is its own > reward (the U of W is, of course, world famous as a result of Pine :-) ). > Yes, that is exactly why we make Pine widely available and provide the level of support we do. > """"" Wot - U of W - yeah > o o > ----oOo----O----oOo---- > | | | | > ----------------------- > | | | | > But perhaps, before Pine gets dragged down by the coat tails we should all > ask (and the Pine team should think about) how does the wider user > community support in-house projects made more generally available, and > support Pine in particular. There's a lot of good will but I don't have any > good ideas, and perhaps it has to come from the Pine team since they are > the only ones who know the costs/benefits and pressures. > I don't have any clear ideas on this either, but I can certainly feel the ever increasing weight. Anyone who has been subscribed to pine-info for a while can see the support load there, but the Pine Team handles even more traffic directed to pine-bugs (2-3x higher than pine-info). The total traffic averages over 1050 messages/month (including requests, replies, and some internal traffic). This could get pushed significantly higher with the addition of comp.mail.pine... Suggestions for reducing the support load would be greatly appreciated! > Alan Ward > Department of Microbiology > University of Newcastle upon Tyne > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 14:55:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14731; Thu, 26 May 94 14:55:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11141; Thu, 26 May 94 14:46:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11135; Thu, 26 May 94 14:46:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:37 PDT From: szagar@unixg.ubc.ca (Suzan Zagar) Date: 26 May 1994 20:37:48 GMT Subject: Receipt for sent mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Is there a way in Pine to request a return receipt for a sent message?? I know some mail programs have this feature--it is pretty neat to know that your intended recipient has actually read your message instead of being left in the dark wondering if the message has been read. Suzan Zagar Woodward Biomedical Library University of British Columbia szagar@unixg.ubc.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:04:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15103; Thu, 26 May 94 15:04:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11366; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11360; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:33 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:46 PDT From: franc@max.ma.utexas.edu (Franc Brazile) Date: 26 May 1994 15:32:07 -0500 Subject: ~mail directory created, how to change To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3107$3st@max.ma.utexas.edu> How do I prevent pine from creating a mail directory in my home directory? -F. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:04:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15134; Thu, 26 May 94 15:04:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11349; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11337; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:17 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:45 PDT From: jezor@panix.com (Jonathan I. Ezor) Date: 26 May 1994 16:38:52 -0400 Subject: Converting from Elm to Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s31cs$s04@panix.com> Howdy. After setting up my nice folders and aliases on this Unix system and using Elm for months, I'd like to switch to Pine. Is there an automatic, or partially automatic, method of changing things over, other than retyping/resaving/re-everything manually? All help would be appreciated. Oh, if this in the faq, I apologize, but my system just started with this newsgroup, and the faq hasn't yet shown up. :) {Jonathan} -- Jonathan I. Ezor Internet: jezor@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:05:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15216; Thu, 26 May 94 15:05:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11374; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11368; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:36 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:49 PDT From: bigac@u.washington.edu (Aaron Ching) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:36:01 -0800 Subject: User Directory for IMAP/pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Is there any address directory service that can be used with IMAP/pine? It would be very useful if the Mail Administrator can maintain a list of mail users which is accessable by all the local users. Please reply to my email address. Thanks -- Aaron Ching, System Analyst Programmer Dept. of Laboratory Medicine Univ. of Washington, Seattle bigac@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:12:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15481; Thu, 26 May 94 15:12:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11626; Thu, 26 May 94 15:03:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11620; Thu, 26 May 94 15:03:15 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:56 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: User Directory for IMAP/pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Pine 3.90 will support multiple addressbooks, so one could be administered by your Mail Administrator. The more general directory service capability is a function of the IMSP protocol being developed at CMU. We expect to include IMSP support in Pine 4.0. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 26 May 1994, Aaron Ching wrote: > Is there any address directory service that can be used with IMAP/pine? It > would be very useful if the Mail Administrator can maintain a list of mail > users which is accessable by all the local users. > > Please reply to my email address. Thanks > > -- > Aaron Ching, System Analyst Programmer > Dept. of Laboratory Medicine > Univ. of Washington, Seattle > bigac@u.washington.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:32:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15997; Thu, 26 May 94 15:32:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12193; Thu, 26 May 94 15:22:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12187; Thu, 26 May 94 15:22:54 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:12 PDT From: andy@ben.franklin.uga.edu (Andrew Seabolt) Date: 26 May 1994 22:02:58 GMT Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s36ai$5es@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Check your pine.conf file (wherever it was installed) and see if your default for including read messages *after* (isn't ELM-style mail that does this?) your message is set to "NO". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-__-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Andy Seabolt \/ Franklin College Systems Group ||(706)542-1546 Franklin College of Arts and Sciences, U G A || andy@franklin.uga.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:33:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16058; Thu, 26 May 94 15:33:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12202; Thu, 26 May 94 15:23:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12195; Thu, 26 May 94 15:22:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:15 PDT From: S220264@kub.nl (Rutger vd GeVEL) Date: 26 May 1994 20:21:05 GMT Subject: Re: Fully integrated MIME support? (was Re: error message) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s30bh$7r1@kubds1.kub.nl> In <2s2nss$l5p@zip.eecs.umich.edu> mcnally@quip.eecs.umich.edu writes: > In article , > David L Miller wrote: > > > >Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even > >realize they are using MIME... > > Care to elaborate on what "fully integrated MIME support" means in this > case? I know that Pine can seperate/display at least some types of > MIME enclosures (for example image/gif and maybe audio/basic) but was > wondering if "fully integrated MIME support" meant that recent versions > of Pine have the ability to handle more complex / less common types of > MIME enclosures. > > If so, does the user have the ability to tell Pine how to handle > different enclosure types (as with metamail and MIME extended mh?) > or is Pine's MIME support limited to well-known types and display > behaviors set at compile time? Well, as far as I know Pine 3.89 (the most recent version to my knowledge) is said to be 'minimal MIME compliant'. This means that it only knows how to handle the following content-types: - text/plain; charset={US-ASCI,ISO-8859-*} - message/ - multipart/mixed - multipart/alternative - application/ For further details consult RFC 1521. More exotic content-types can be specified by using a /etc/mailcap (or ~/.mailcap) file on unix systems. The format of mailcap files is discussed in RFC 1343 (a user agent configuration mechanism for multimedia mail format information) by N. Borenstein. There are generally two methods for a Mail User Agent (MUA) to support MIME: 1) Via an external programm, i.e. Metamail. This means that the MUA-software should be adapted to call such a program at the right moment. Many MUA's on unix systems have already been adapted to use Metamail. Metamail consults the mailcap files in order to call the right viewer. 2) Via an intern mechanism: Pine has it's own mechanism to support MIME. As far as I know Pine (3.89) can't consult mailcap files, yet, but I have had indications that mailcap support is under development. IMHO, the mailcap principle is the best way to map MIME content-types to their viewers. The syntax is very clear and unambiguous: using one syntax for this purpose should improve the MIME standardization process. Best wishes, Rutger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rutger S.J.A. van de GeVEL, Email: Rutger@kub.nl - MIME messages welcome. -- Student Information Management Science, Tilburg University, The Netherlands. PGP Public Key available via PGP public key mailservers. ------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:35:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16173; Thu, 26 May 94 15:35:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12210; Thu, 26 May 94 15:23:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12204; Thu, 26 May 94 15:23:01 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:16 PDT From: dwrsun4!perl@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Robert Perlberg) Date: 26 May 94 20:55:45 GMT Subject: Re: "Illegal" characters. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <4076@dwrsun5.dwrsun4.UUCP> On Sat, 21 May 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > I have created a folder which I call "for sale." In it I keep, not > surprisingly, items that are for sale. Now, whenever I enter this > folder, after a short interval PINE tells me that: > "[Character '' after 'for' not allowed in folder name]" > which is obviously false as I have no troubles whatsoever accessing this > directory. I was just curious as to why the functionality exists for > this popup message. I've always considered it a major omission that Unix does not enforce the use of a limited character set for file names. It should not have been hard to implement early on. There is probably only one (if not just a few) place in the system where file names are created (file creation, link, etc.). It should not have been hard to do a scan on the file name for "illegal" characters and bomb the system call. Unfortunately, this was not done and there are now far too many funky file names out there that would become inaccessible if the feature were added now. The reason I think the lack of this feature is such a bad idea is that it creates problems with lots of commands. File names with spaces or shell metacharacters in them have to be quoted when used as arguments on command lines, and many scripts do not do the necessary quoting (for which I do not blame them since it's an excessively bothersome thing to have to do) making many facilities unusable with such files, not to mention that there are some scripts which bomb completely or create garbage files when they come across these file names. Given that Pine was designed for the casual user who is not expected to be mindful of such concerns, it makes sense that they designed it to disallow file names which would cause such problems. Robert Perlberg Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York perl%dwrsun4@murphy.com -or- perl%dwrsun4@philabs.com -- "I am not a language ... I am a human being!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:42:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16423; Thu, 26 May 94 15:42:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12458; Thu, 26 May 94 15:33:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12446; Thu, 26 May 94 15:33:06 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:28 PDT From: ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu (Juan M. Gonzalez) Date: 26 May 1994 20:54:49 GMT Subject: Re: Aliases To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s32ap$5ig@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> I forgot to clarify my situation. I am aware of using the 'a' option for addressbook, and I know about changing the personal name in my pinerc. I wanted to know if it is possible to do the following: I type in 'mac' when it asks me for an address.. pine then puts the address that I originally placed in some sort of file. I know that it is possible because it happens at this account (my school account)..I put the name of anyone on campus, and it responds with an address when I hit return. anyone understand my situation. thanks to everyone who already wrote, and thanks to anyone who can help me now. -- ujmg88pf@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu/faithnmore@aol.com/ew502@cleveland.freenet.edu JOIN THE FAITH NO MORE AND/OR MR. BUNGLE FAN CLUBS: EMAIL ME FOR DETAILS!! Power Mac,c64,Duo,Jaguar,Lynx,2600. Got them all. 3d0=who the hell wants it? Project of the Week: Elect Mike Patton for President!! Patton 96! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:47:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16590; Thu, 26 May 94 15:47:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28286; Thu, 26 May 94 15:37:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ftp.std.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28280; Thu, 26 May 94 15:37:47 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by ftp.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA15920; Thu, 26 May 1994 18:37:45 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21208; Thu, 26 May 1994 18:35:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 18:35:08 -0400 From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Message-Id: <199405262235.AA21208@world.std.com> To: dwrsun4!perl@beaver.cs.washington.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <4076@dwrsun5.dwrsun4.UUCP> (dwrsun4!perl@beaver.cs.washington.edu) Subject: Re: "Illegal" characters. From: dwrsun4!perl@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Robert Perlberg) >I've always considered it a major omission that Unix does not enforce >the use of a limited character set for file names. It should not have >been hard to implement early on. There is probably only one (if not >just a few) place in the system where file names are created (file >creation, link, etc.). It should not have been hard to do a scan on >the file name for "illegal" characters and bomb the system call. It was done on purpose so the file system could support other character sets, like Kanji. In fact, the rules were liberalized over the years. Originally a lot of unix systems wouldn't allow the 8th bit on in file name characters. This was decided to be a botch and was fixed. There are other examples. Modern unix file systems only disallow / and NULL in file names (sometimes you can slip a / thru tho that tends to be a problem.) It's a feature not a bug. -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:53:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16806; Thu, 26 May 94 15:53:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12724; Thu, 26 May 94 15:43:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12718; Thu, 26 May 94 15:43:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:31 PDT From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Date: 26 May 1994 14:06:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Receipt for sent mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s330g$o1@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> In article <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Suzan Zagar wrote: :Is there a way in Pine to request a return receipt for a sent message?? I believe it's been mentioned as a feature of Pine 3.90. : I :know some mail programs have this feature--it is pretty neat to know that :your intended recipient has actually read your message instead of being :left in the dark wondering if the message has been read. Actually it tells you no such thing. At best it suggests that the message was locally delivered. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:54:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16855; Thu, 26 May 94 15:54:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12732; Thu, 26 May 94 15:43:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12726; Thu, 26 May 94 15:43:03 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:34 PDT From: Peter Berger Date: 26 May 1994 17:23:00 -0400 Subject: Making alternate editor the default To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s33vk$bjr@foxholly.lm.com> I prefer using "vi" over "pico" to edit mail (no sneers, please!). Is there anyway to *automatically* enter vi upon choosing C)ompose, rather than having to take the extra step of hitting ^_ ? Thanks! Peter Berger Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:02:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17156; Thu, 26 May 94 16:02:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12993; Thu, 26 May 94 15:53:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12986; Thu, 26 May 94 15:52:52 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:44 PDT From: smith@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Andy Smith) Date: 26 May 94 21:31:32 GMT Subject: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I use pine 3.89. I am sure that this might be a simple question, but none the less I don't know the answer to it. When I reply to a message in pine and select 'y' to 'Include original message in Reply?' my .sig is included before the included text. It is quite a pain moving my .sig down to the bottom of the page. How can I change the configuration of pine to have my .sig appended to the end of the included text? -Andy (smith@skid.ps.uci.edu) Quote of the day: "I've got a hankerin' for some pork products." -Krusty From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:04:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17204; Thu, 26 May 94 16:04:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13001; Thu, 26 May 94 15:53:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12995; Thu, 26 May 94 15:53:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:47 PDT From: ckimball@bu.edu (Christian Kimball) Date: 26 May 1994 21:39:15 GMT Subject: Printing long messages to PC printer To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s34u3$al6@news.bu.edu> I like being able to print mail directly to my attached printer. However, when the mail is more than one printed page long it often freezes after the first page. This is a buffer overflow or a failure to send a Form Feed, or something like that. But it is also a little more complicated in that when I issue a Form Feed at the printer control panel I do get the next page, but it is garbled and includes text not in the message being printed. Does anybody know what is going on and how to fix it? Christian E. Kimball Boston University School of Law ckimball@acs.bu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:13:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17649; Thu, 26 May 94 16:13:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13294; Thu, 26 May 94 16:03:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13288; Thu, 26 May 94 16:02:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:55 PDT From: ewj8218@u.cc.utah.edu (Eric Jolley) Date: 26 May 1994 15:41:01 -0600 Subject: Rejecting Mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s351d$88n@u.cc.utah.edu> I need some help here... I know that you can forward mail by simply creating a file called .forward, but is there an easy way to reject mail? Like a file called .reject? (I know this doesn't work, but something similar) I know you can reject using Elm, but the process looks more complicated than I need, in addition to the fact that I use Pine, not Elm. Any pointers? -- \ Eric Jolley \ Mail me at: \ \ Film Studies Major, U. of U. \ Eric.Jolley@m.cc.utah.edu \ \ For PGP 2.3a Public Key, \ or \ \ finger ewj8218@u.cc.utah.edu \ en351@cleveland.freenet.edu \ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:44:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18573; Thu, 26 May 94 16:44:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14096; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14090; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:09 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:23 PDT From: gbgf@netcom.com (GBGF) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 22:17:39 GMT Subject: forwarding To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: When you forward incoming mail my adding the .forward file containing \usr-name, user@domain-address, (which, according to the FAQ, should leave a copy of the incoming mail for "\usr-name" and forward it to the user@domain-address listed), does it produce any record on the home machine of having forwarded the message (i.e., does it add the message to the sent-mail folder?)? -- 68% of all statistics are misleading gbgf@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:44:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18577; Thu, 26 May 94 16:44:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14130; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14124; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:29 PDT From: dart@red1.cac.washington.edu (Mark Schurman) Date: 26 May 1994 22:41:50 GMT Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s38je$ktn@news.u.washington.edu> In , Andy Smith (smith@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu) wrote: > When I reply to a message in pine and select 'y' to 'Include original > message in Reply?' my .sig is included before the included text. > It is quite a pain moving my .sig down to the bottom of the page. > How can I change the configuration of pine to have my .sig appended to > the end of the included text? Easy enough...just add "signature-at-bottom" to the "feature-list=" section of your .pinerc file. > -Andy (smith@skid.ps.uci.edu) -- Mark Schurman ( "Ninety percent of computer users use DOS. ACC/CRC Lab Assistant \ I'd rather tell them to do drugs." University of Washington ) ---Scott McNealy, CEO, Sun Microsytems dart@u.washington.edu / #include From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:44:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18634; Thu, 26 May 94 16:44:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14104; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14098; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:12 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:23 PDT From: roger@utdallas.edu (Roger D Cook) Date: 26 May 1994 22:35:09 GMT Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s36ai$5es@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Message-Id: <2s386t$57n@news.utdallas.edu> Andrew Seabolt (andy@ben.franklin.uga.edu) wrote: > Check your pine.conf file (wherever it was installed) and see if your > default for including read messages *after* (isn't ELM-style mail that > does this?) your message is set to "NO". > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-__-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Andy Seabolt \/ Franklin College Systems Group ||(706)542-1546 > Franklin College of Arts and Sciences, U G A || andy@franklin.uga.edu > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I'm not sure if what he said is it--I think what you need to do is look in your .pinerc file (in your home directory) and look at the feature list. There should be one labeled 'old-style-reply', which you should set to 'yes'. Hope it works! roger -- ========================================================= Roger Cook, PC Technical Support University of Texas at Dallas GEd--(+++)p+c+(+++)l-u++e+(*)m+(-)s/++!nh--f+(++)g+w+t+r(-)y? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:44:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18665; Thu, 26 May 94 16:44:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14121; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14106; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:15 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:24 PDT From: 1michael@netcom.com (Michael Orland) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 22:20:33 GMT Subject: Headers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <1michaelCqFKq9.3t1@netcom.com> How can I change the headers for Pine? I realise that Kent Hamilton already asked this, but as I cannot read his mail, I don't know if there was any response thanx Mike -- ///////////////_______________ //////////// /// /// /// Michael Orland // // 1michael@netcom.com /// /// /// ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^// // "Only twice, then it exploded" /// /// /// //////////// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:54:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19049; Thu, 26 May 94 16:54:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14423; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14409; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:16 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33 PDT From: ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu (Juan M. Gonzalez) Date: 26 May 1994 22:38:11 GMT Subject: thanks for help.. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s38cj$a5e@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> i just wanted to thank everyone who wrote to me...I neglected to try it out myself before I posted asking about aliases.. -- ujmg88pf@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu/faithnmore@aol.com/ew502@cleveland.freenet.edu JOIN THE FAITH NO MORE AND/OR MR. BUNGLE FAN CLUBS: EMAIL ME FOR DETAILS!! Power Mac,c64,Duo,Jaguar,Lynx,2600. Got them all. 3d0=who the hell wants it? Project of the Week: Elect Mike Patton for President!! Patton 96! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:54:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19080; Thu, 26 May 94 16:54:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14439; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14433; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:39 PDT From: jaguar1@netcom.com (Glen Wooten) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 22:37:34 GMT Subject: BLINDing in Pine.. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I'm using version 3.89 of Pine for Unix, and I've come across a possible bug. When using the blind (Bcc:) command, it appears to blind addresses SITE specific, as opposed to ADDRESS specific (with the exception of the syste it's running on (in this case, Netcom.) If i was to be sending duplicate copies of mail to 2 people on Netcom, 2 people on GEnie, and 2 people on CompuServe, the people on GEnie & Compuserve would see the other person on thier network that got the mail, but none of the other addresses. The people on Netcom would see no other addresses. Has anyone else run into this? Is this a bug, or am I missing something not shown in the manual? -- jaguar1@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:55:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19111; Thu, 26 May 94 16:55:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14431; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14425; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:36 PDT From: scocca@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (D. A. Scocca) Date: 26 May 1994 22:47:26 GMT Subject: Pine Problems To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s38tu$n8s@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> There are about three problems I've been having with Pine/things I'd love to be able to get Pine to do... (1) (Category of MAJOR problem) Is there any way to get Pine to take all the messages in a folder and turn them into a text file IN ORDER BY DATE? I _know_ how to locate and download the actual folders, and I _know_ how to sort a folder by date, but this sort only changes the order in which messages are displayed in the index, NOT the order in which they sit in the disk file. The inability to archive messages chronologically is the single most important reason why I have resisted switching all my email to an account that uses Pine. (2) (Category of mid-level annoyance) Is there any way to either (a) set automatic cc: to self or (b) set the folder so that outgoing messages appear in the INBOX? I've tried changing the folder name to INBOX in the .pinerc file, but this just makes Pine try to create a second folder called INBOX and put my mail in it. (3) (Category of minor wierdness) Why does a message which has been read revert to being unread when it is moved into a different folder? This has only happened since Pine here was upgraded to 3.89. I'd be grateful if there were any solutions to any of these problems. D. -- * The Minstrel in the Gallery "Heteroskedastic" * * D. A. Scocca scocca@gibbs.oit.unc.edu * * "My love does not, cannot _make_ her happy. My love can only * * release in her the capacity to be happy." --J. Barnes * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:12:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20227; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14788; Thu, 26 May 94 16:53:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14782; Thu, 26 May 94 16:53:07 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:48 PDT From: duffiem@aa.wl.com (Mark Duffield) Date: 26 May 1994 19:49:32 GMT Subject: IMAP Client for Mac? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2ugc$8et@reeve.research.aa.wl.com> I'm looking for an IMAP client for the macintosh. Anyone know of oner? The only IMAP client that I know of at all is pine ( which is distributed with the IMAP server ). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark J. Duffield | duffiem@aa.wl.com Sr. Systems Analyst | Preclinical Scientific Computing | MIME Spoken here. Parke Davis Pharmaceutical Research | Ann Arbor, MI 48105 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:14:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20293; Thu, 26 May 94 17:14:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15126; Thu, 26 May 94 17:02:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15117; Thu, 26 May 94 17:02:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:52 PDT From: lwrons49@ursa.calvin.edu (Lorraine Wronski) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 23:08:30 GMT Subject: signature? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I notice that people have what I have seen referred to as "signatures" with their letters. How do I do that? Please e-mail a response to lwrons49@calvin.edu Thanks in advance From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:22:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20447; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15582; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15576; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:09 PDT From: n9341250@janice.cc.wwu.edu (Damon Wasson) Date: 26 May 94 23:28:46 GMT Subject: Re: Making alternate editor the default To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s33vk$bjr@foxholly.lm.com> Message-Id: Peter Berger writes: >I prefer using "vi" over "pico" to edit mail (no sneers, please!). Is >there anyway to *automatically* enter vi upon choosing C)ompose, rather >than having to take the extra step of hitting ^_ ? >Thanks! >Peter Berger >Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh i recommend modifying your .pinerc file (you can even use vi to do this!) the .pinerc file has a list of various parameters, with comments placed there by pine. scroll down until you see the sections pertaining to editors, and then change it. simple. btw, in order to do this, you must have previously executed the pine program. enjoy! :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:26:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20503; Thu, 26 May 94 17:26:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15574; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15568; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:38 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:00 PDT From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Date: 26 May 1994 16:12:48 -0700 Subject: Re: forwarding To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s3adg$13e@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> In article , GBGF wrote: : When you forward incoming mail my adding the .forward file containing :\usr-name, user@domain-address, : :(which, according to the FAQ, should leave a copy of the incoming mail :for "\usr-name" and forward it to the user@domain-address listed), does :it produce any record on the home machine of having forwarded the message :(i.e., does it add the message to the sent-mail folder?)? No, the mail transport agent (e.g sendmail) takes care of that. The user agent -- pine, for instance -- never knows about the copy that was forwarded. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:27:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20518; Thu, 26 May 94 17:27:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15591; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15584; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:47 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:09 PDT From: n9341250@janice.cc.wwu.edu (Damon Wasson) Date: 26 May 94 23:36:04 GMT Subject: Re: changing default editor To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: n9246286@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Am-mit) writes: >Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? >(i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). > um... well, i recommend trying setenv editor= vi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:32:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20655; Thu, 26 May 94 17:32:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15826; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15820; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:40 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:15 PDT From: mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen) Date: 26 May 1994 19:45:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Pine Problems To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s38tu$n8s@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Message-Id: <2s3cbk$om4@panix2.panix.com> D. A. Scocca (scocca@gibbs.oit.unc.edu) wrote: : (3) (Category of minor wierdness) Why does a message which has been : read revert to being unread when it is moved into a different folder? : This has only happened since Pine here was upgraded to 3.89. I agree that this one is a little, but defintely, annoying. A solution would be appreciated. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mitch Regenbogen | | | mreg@panix.com | "I understand." --Chauncey Gardner | | Brooklyn, New York | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:32:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20657; Thu, 26 May 94 17:32:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00809; Thu, 26 May 94 17:24:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00803; Thu, 26 May 94 17:24:42 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13234; Thu, 26 May 94 17:24:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 17:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Mark Duffield Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: IMAP Client for Mac? In-Reply-To: <2s2ugc$8et@reeve.research.aa.wl.com> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark, See the file /mail/imap.software on ftp.cac.washington.edu Two possibilities would be "Mailstrom" from Stanford and "Mail Drop" from Baylor. -teg On 26 May 1994, Mark Duffield wrote: > I'm looking for an IMAP client for the macintosh. Anyone know of oner? > The only IMAP client that I know of at all is pine ( which is distributed > with the IMAP server ). Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mark J. Duffield | duffiem@aa.wl.com > Sr. Systems Analyst | > Preclinical Scientific Computing | MIME Spoken here. > Parke Davis Pharmaceutical Research | > Ann Arbor, MI 48105 | > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:33:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20706; Thu, 26 May 94 17:33:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15838; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15828; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:15 PDT From: mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen) Date: 26 May 1994 19:48:30 -0400 Subject: Re: signature? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s3cge$ott@panix2.panix.com> Lorraine Wronski (lwrons49@ursa.calvin.edu) wrote: : I notice that people have what I have seen referred to as "signatures" : with their letters. How do I do that? Please e-mail a response to : lwrons49@calvin.edu : Thanks in advance You need to create a .signature file in your Unix home directory, which is a text file that will get automatically appended to your messages. Nettiquette requires that it be limited to 4 lines. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mitch Regenbogen | | | mreg@panix.com | "I understand." --Chauncey Gardner | | Brooklyn, New York | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:33:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20714; Thu, 26 May 94 17:33:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15847; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15840; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:48 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:19 PDT From: uaceohrt@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kenneth Ruiz) Date: 26 May 1994 23:17:42 GMT Subject: Multiple mailing w/out mult. listing?!? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3amm$blp@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Greetings... Perhaps this is a lame question, but how can l forward mail to multiple people without it listing *everyone* l've sent it to?!? I tried using a little command line prog but it wouldn't mail with an alias, and l can't change my chfn login name... Is there some way to do this in pine or a short command line program that *would* work? I think mine wouldn't work because lt used 'mail' or 'mailx' and lve read the online manuals yet lack lack the technical knowledge to really know what to do!! Thank!! 66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 "Some people try not to think \ | / |/ / /\ /\ _O_ The about Life's Ugliness...I've \|/ | / < > \/ | Ace of thought about it.... I've | |/ >< /\ | Hearts thought about it quite a lot" | | / \ \/ Kill yourself. 66666666666666666666666666666666TAOL69466666666666666666666666666666666 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:42:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20967; Thu, 26 May 94 17:42:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16030; Thu, 26 May 94 17:31:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from madmacs.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16024; Thu, 26 May 94 17:31:19 -0700 Received: by madmacs.macarthur.uws.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22871; Fri, 27 May 1994 10:31:09 +1100 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 10:30:24 +22311043 (E ) From: Brian Kalabric Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII UNSUB BRIAN KALABRIC From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:42:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20991; Thu, 26 May 94 17:42:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16060; Thu, 26 May 94 17:32:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16054; Thu, 26 May 94 17:32:49 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:26 PDT From: gchunt@cc.dixie.edu (Galen C. Hunt) Date: 26 May 1994 23:07:14 GMT Subject: How should we set-up a campus wide mail directory? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3a32$ptp@cc.dixie.edu> Almost everyone on our campus is using pine from one of the central mail server. It would be really nice if their was some way to browse a campus wide mail directory. I can easily set up software to create a directory, but does anyone have any suggestions on how to access it from pine? Does pine support multiple address books? galen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:56:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21335; Thu, 26 May 94 17:56:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16341; Thu, 26 May 94 17:43:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16335; Thu, 26 May 94 17:43:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:31 PDT From: sarnila@tukki.jyu.fi (Pekka Sarnila) Date: 27 May 1994 02:52:37 +0300 Subject: ftp-sites To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Where can I find Pine. I'm especially interested of Interactive 3.0 binaries (if not available then sources). Pekka Sarnila -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pekka Sarnila, University of Jyvaskyla Finland sarnila@tukki.jyu.fi ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 18:05:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21486; Thu, 26 May 94 18:05:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16623; Thu, 26 May 94 17:56:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16616; Thu, 26 May 94 17:56:13 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10772; Thu, 26 May 94 17:56:11 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 27 May 94 02:45:47+0200 Date: 27 May 94 02:45:47+0200 From: Brian Kalabric Message-Id: <705168*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Mailing List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 18:29:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21872; Thu, 26 May 94 18:29:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01732; Thu, 26 May 94 18:20:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner